Road bike anyone??

[Rog]

Getting too old to be pushing fat knobbly tyres on tarmac, I was
wondering if anyone had a road bike lying idle in need of a fresh owner.

Loaned mine to my foreman, never saw it again.
Cash waiting, located east of Leicester.
Hopefully there are some cyclists among the trolls.
5' 11" 13 stone.
Rog
www.rog.pynguins.com

[Rob Morley]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:24:03 +0000 (UTC)
"Rog" <here@ home.eu> wrote:

>
> Getting too old to be pushing fat knobbly tyres on tarmac,

So get some slicks? My ATB turned into a touring bike (slicks, rack,
mudguards, road cassette, butterfly bars) so now I have to build a new
off road machine (actually nearly finished it, but lacking enthusiasm).

[soup]

Rog wrote:
>
> Getting too old to be pushing fat knobbly tyres on tarmac,

Do what I did, fit unknobbly tyres to your existing bike. I only went
so far and fitted semi-slicks (Specialized crossroads armadillo ) as I
still did quite a percentage on tracks, so didn't want to go fully
slick .
<http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/specialized-new-crossroads-armadillo-tyre>

[Mentalguy2k8]

"soup" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:k6p7on$f6f$1...@dont-email.me...

That's what I did too, couple of "normal" tyres. I can't remember how much
they cost but it really wasn't much, and the difference was amazing. I'd
prefer a road bike but you just don't see many decent cheap ones about these
days. There doesn't seem to be anything between "vintage 1970s" and the
ultra-modern £600+ quid carbon-fibre malarkey.

[Rob Morley]

How about a "road bike shaped object" for under £200?
http://www.rutlandcycling.com/34694/Viking-Sprint-2011---Road-Bike.html
It might even be ridable.

[Dave - Cyclists VOR]

Pop into the UK's largest cycle retailer - Toy's R Us.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob Morley)
came up to me and whispered:

> It might even be ridable.

You pretentious snob.

I'd love a bike like that, and would probably put more miles on it in a
week than you do on your precious multi-thousand toy in a month.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
IF you think this http://bit.ly/u5EP3p is cruel
please sign this http://bit.ly/sKkzEx

---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

[Clive George]

On 30/10/2012 21:55, Paul Cummins wrote:
> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob Morley)
> came up to me and whispered:
>
>> It might even be ridable.
>
> You pretentious snob.
>
> I'd love a bike like that, and would probably put more miles on it in a
> week than you do on your precious multi-thousand toy in a month.

There's a challenge. How many miles do you do a week at the moment, and
how many would you do given a cheap new bike?

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
George) came up to me and whispered:

> There's a challenge. How many miles do you do a week at the
> moment, and how many would you do given a cheap new bike?

When I was commuting to and from Guildford by Frankenbike, I was
averaging 40 miles a day, 5 days a week.

Additionally I was doing 15-20 miles on Saturdays and Sundays.

So that's between 200 and 240 miles a week on something that was
definitely a BSO, it went through 3 rear spindle bearings in 6 months.
Admittedly from the scrapyard, but nonetheless.

The "Frankenbike" started life as an Apollo mountain bike worth about
£120, and went through a number of changes, hedges, recycling centres and
rebuilds before I was given it. I rebuilt with cheap parts, serviced and
it gave me good service for over three years.

It's now been donated to an even poorer person.

I'm saving for a bike with an engine.

[Clive George]

On 30/10/2012 23:38, Paul Cummins wrote:
> We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
> George) came up to me and whispered:
>
>> There's a challenge. How many miles do you do a week at the
>> moment, and how many would you do given a cheap new bike?
>
> When I was commuting to and from Guildford by Frankenbike, I was
> averaging 40 miles a day, 5 days a week.
>
> Additionally I was doing 15-20 miles on Saturdays and Sundays.

Not too bad. I aim for about half that, but it's mainly time stopping me
do more.

> So that's between 200 and 240 miles a week on something that was
> definitely a BSO, it went through 3 rear spindle bearings in 6 months.
> Admittedly from the scrapyard, but nonetheless.

People can do amazing things on amazingly crap kit - but it's not being
a snob to suggest one can do better.

> The "Frankenbike" started life as an Apollo mountain bike worth about
> �120, and went through a number of changes, hedges, recycling centres and
> rebuilds before I was given it. I rebuilt with cheap parts, serviced and
> it gave me good service for over three years.

I've been through the "that bike looks expensive, surely this cheap one
is good enough" thing with people a few times. Have you tried riding a
nice bike?

[thirty-six]

On 30 Oct, 20:03, Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:05:25 -0000
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "soup" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message

> >news:k6p7on$f6f$1...@dont-email.me...
> > >   Rog wrote:
>
> > >> Getting too old to be pushing fat knobbly tyres on tarmac,
>
> > > Do what I did, fit unknobbly tyres to your existing bike.  I only
> > > went so far and fitted semi-slicks (Specialized crossroads
> > > armadillo ) as I still did quite a percentage on tracks, so didn't
> > > want to go fully slick .

> > > <http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/specialized-new-crossroads-a...>

>
> > That's what I did too, couple of "normal" tyres. I can't remember how
> > much they cost but it really wasn't much, and the difference was
> > amazing. I'd prefer a road bike but you just don't see many decent
> > cheap ones about these days. There doesn't seem to be anything
> > between "vintage 1970s" and the ultra-modern £600+ quid carbon-fibre
> > malarkey.
>

> How about a "road bike shaped object" for under £200?http://www.rutlandcycling.com/34694/Viking-Sprint-2011---Road-Bike.html

> It might even be ridable.

Well the biggest challenge is it staying ridable given enthusiastic
use, but I do wonder why with a compact fame it is at least 2kg
heavier than a cheap steel race bike in 1980s.

Actually no I don't, the bikes I was thinking of would have been at
least £130. What with devaluation, today's price on the Viking is
astonishingly cheap compared to a cheap road-racing bike of 1985.

[thirty-six]

I went from about 20 miles with a single speed to about 130 a week on
a 12-speed.

[Rob Morley]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob
> Morley) came up to me and whispered:
>
> > It might even be ridable.
>
> You pretentious snob.

No, I'm a former cycle mechanic, so I know when something's too cheap
to work. I've not seen one of those Vikings in the flesh so I don't
know if it's something that would withstand more than occasional use.

>
> I'd love a bike like that, and would probably put more miles on it in
> a week than you do on your precious multi-thousand toy in a month.
>

I don't have any expensive bikes, the one I use most cost £50 on eBay.

[nik.morgan]

I buy mine from a junkie on one of the bridges in Amsterdam. usually for 25
euros, usually after importing them on the back of the 4x4 within a month
of so they are stolen in the UK and I have to get another next time I go to
visit the family.

[Nick]

On 31/10/2012 03:36, Rob Morley wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 21:55 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
> uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:
>
>> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob
>> Morley) came up to me and whispered:
>>
>>> It might even be ridable.
>>
>> You pretentious snob.
>
> No, I'm a former cycle mechanic, so I know when something's too cheap
> to work. I've not seen one of those Vikings in the flesh so I don't
> know if it's something that would withstand more than occasional use.

That's the point. How much effort you need to put into keeping it
ridable for regular use not if it is ridable occasionally.

If you pay £500 to £600 you get a bike that doesn't need too much
maintenance and is easy to maintain when it does.

Even at £600 they are good value. I bought one in the summer and have
already saved £400 quid train fares.

However there are other cheap bikes which on first inspection look ok, like.

http://www.decathlon.co.uk/triban-3-id_8167038.html

[thirty-six]

if I had to start again, that's possibly a bike I would consider.
I'd first check that there was enough clearance for 28mm tyre at the
back and 25mm at the front with mudguards fitted and that the rims
also were of a suitable internal width. I'd also likely fit a saddle
that I know, a Regal, from the off. There's no point in setting
position with a poorly fitting saddle.

Oh, but the plastic forks may have to go. It's about £150 for the
professional crabon Columbus fork and I'd probably go with that if had
a desire to ride plastic. I'd much prefer a lightweight steel fork
than a budget crabon fork. I don't bounce so easily with age.

[Judith]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

<snip>

>It's now been donated to an even poorer person.
>

Where on earth did you find one of those?

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
George) came up to me and whispered:

> Have you tried riding a
> nice bike?

Yes. When was a teenager, riding much more than I do now, I had a £600
touring bike. I was able to put miles on that like you could not believe,
including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days.

Nonetheless, my complaint was referring to the Viking Spring as a BSO.
Just because it's not a Carbon Fibre frame, doesn't make it a piece of
shit to be rubbed off someone's shoe.

[Judith]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

>We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
>George) came up to me and whispered:
>
>> Have you tried riding a
>> nice bike?
>
>Yes. When was a teenager, riding much more than I do now, I had a �600
>touring bike. I was able to put miles on that like you could not believe,

Are you suggesting that people may not believe something that you claim.

Surely not - that would really be a first wouldn't it.

Are you still using the sig:
"Dr Paul Cummins - Internet Engineer"

<snigger>

[PhilO]

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:43:06 PM UTC, Judith wrote:
>
> Are you suggesting that people may not believe something that you claim.
>

Judith, after all those falsehoods you've posted today, are you really in a position to complain about other people?

Simple question - how many names have you used to post?

[Nick]

On 31/10/2012 10:23, thirty-six wrote:

> if I had to start again, that's possibly a bike I would consider.
> I'd first check that there was enough clearance for 28mm tyre at the
> back and 25mm at the front with mudguards fitted and that the rims
> also were of a suitable internal width. I'd also likely fit a saddle
> that I know, a Regal, from the off. There's no point in setting
> position with a poorly fitting saddle.
>
> Oh, but the plastic forks may have to go. It's about £150 for the
> professional crabon Columbus fork and I'd probably go with that if had
> a desire to ride plastic. I'd much prefer a lightweight steel fork
> than a budget crabon fork. I don't bounce so easily with age.
>

One would hope that forks are engineered to a much higher standard than
other parts of the frame, regardless of being Carbon or Steel.

My last bike (Trek) had carbon forks and an aluminium frame. The frame
(chainstay) did eventually fracture but luckily the forks were fine.
Approx 25,000 km usage.

Do you have any info on the (un)reliability of carbon forks.

[thirty-six]

I don't like their failure mode. If crashed, a lightweight steel fork
will bend so absorbing and containing energy in the new bend and
lessening the energy which will be absorbed by the rider. An economy
carbon fork may initially resist more, before snapping at a lower
energy level than a steel fork will absorb in total. There might not
be much in it, but neither is there much benefit in crash protection
in wearing a foam cap. With the steel fork there really are no
drawbacks and should the rider be capable of continuing, a bent steel
fork may be straightened sufficiently at the roadside for a touring
rider to find shelter or make for home. I don't at present consider
there is a gain in using carbon forks except for racing, where
equipment is retired from service, hopefully, before failure and that
diligent inspections will reveal irregularities to save the rider from
taking unnecessary risks.

One needs to use an ultrasonic probe to scan the composite for
irregularities in depth and density for any supporting component.
Rims steerer, stem handlebars, forks and cranks are the most
important. The ease of replacing rear triangles (without great
expense) makes me suspect this style will be commonplace in road
racing.

[Judith]

I keep telling you hundreds of thousands.

[davethedave]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 20:03:34 +0000, Rob Morley wrote:

>> That's what I did too, couple of "normal" tyres. I can't remember how
>> much they cost but it really wasn't much, and the difference was
>> amazing. I'd prefer a road bike but you just don't see many decent
>> cheap ones about these days. There doesn't seem to be anything between
>> "vintage 1970s" and the ultra-modern £600+ quid carbon-fibre malarkey.
>>
>>
> How about a "road bike shaped object" for under £200?
> http://www.rutlandcycling.com/34694/Viking-Sprint-2011---Road-Bike.html
> It might even be ridable.

Does it have a comfortable Savvile?
--
davethedave

[thirty-six]

I wonder will the brand be dropped.

[Rob Morley]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:10 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

> We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
> George) came up to me and whispered:
>
> > Have you tried riding a
> > nice bike?
>
> Yes. When was a teenager, riding much more than I do now, I had a
> £600 touring bike. I was able to put miles on that like you could not
> believe, including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days.

That's hardly exceptional. Extreme riders, of whom there have been a
few around here, do things like Paris-Brest-Paris.

>
> Nonetheless, my complaint was referring to the Viking Spring as a BSO.
> Just because it's not a Carbon Fibre frame, doesn't make it a piece of
> shit to be rubbed off someone's shoe.
>

Carbon is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, component
weight hasn't ever bothered me much, but component durability is
uncertain at that sort of price.

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob Morley)

came up to me and whispered:

> That's hardly exceptional. Extreme riders,

I don't recall claiming to be exceptional.

[thirty-six]

http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/CRASH.JPG

Wadja do wi da, gaffa tape and lolly sticks?

[Rob Morley]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:43 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob
> Morley) came up to me and whispered:
>
> > That's hardly exceptional. Extreme riders,
>
> I don't recall claiming to be exceptional.
>

You said "I was able to put miles on that like you could not believe,
including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days" but I have no
difficulty believing that you did LEJoG in 10 days.

[Paul Cummins]

We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob Morley)
came up to me and whispered:

> You said "I was able to put miles on that like you could not
> believe, including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days" but I
> have no difficulty believing that you did LEJoG in 10 days.

And I was not claiming to be exceptional, merely that the mileage I did
may have been at the time for a 17 year old amateur cyclist.

[PhilO]

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:30:50 PM UTC, Judith wrote:
> >Simple question - how many names have you used to post?
>
>
> I keep telling you hundreds of thousands.

Wriggle, wriggle!

Come on Judith, answer honestly. How many names have you used to post?

[Judith]

Just list those you think (and have absolutely no idea about) and I will check.

Or do you not have any in mind?

I have just done a quick check, and I have definitely not posted as:

FrontMech
Billsgate
Ricky Bikebloke
Sedentary IgnorantPopulist
J.M.Messie
jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk
Jacqueline Lewis-Wintjens

[thirty-six]

On 1 Nov, 00:23, useth...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:
> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob Morley)
> came up to me and whispered:
>
> > You said "I was able to put miles on that like you could not
> > believe, including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days" but I
> > have no difficulty believing that you did LEJoG in 10 days.
>
> And I was not claiming to be exceptional, merely that the mileage I did
> may have been at the time for a 17 year old amateur cyclist.
>
> --
> Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
> Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
> IF you think thishttp://bit.ly/u5EP3pis cruel

> please sign thishttp://bit.ly/sKkzEx

>
> ---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

Dad also says he managed an average of 80 miles a day at 15/16
despite not being an enthusiast or club rider. No spare clothes, food
or water taken, just rode off with pair of shorts, plimsoles and a
sweater, with a saddlebag and a sleeping liner for the Youth hostels.
He was accompanied by a good friend who had engaged with a cycling
club and knew the limitations one could bear. Two others bottled out
from the holiday. He had a Lenton, which from what I've heard and
read, were a well-sorted light touring bike. It was summer so I
suspect he may have been picking fruit as he went, he would unlikely
have had any money, what with paying for the bike, possibly financed
from money he earned him bringing in the dairy herd each morning which
he had done for a number if years before school. Perhaps it was his
necessary dawn rising, and butcher's delivery boy, which was key to
his basic fitness. Those trade bikes were heavy and although living
on the Lancashire plain, de village is in the ley of a hill and he
would have to rise de ill to get to de posh 'ouses.

[PhilO]

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:54:29 AM UTC, Judith wrote:
>
>
> >Come on Judith, answer honestly. How many names have you used to post?
>
>
> Just list those you think (and have absolutely no idea about) and I will check.
>

Avoiding the question again, I see.

Still wriggling.

What's wrong with an honest answer?

[Rob Morley]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 00:16 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
uset...@stedtelephone.invalid (Paul Cummins) wrote:

> We were about to embark at Dover, when nos...@ntlworld.com (Rob
> Morley) came up to me and whispered:
>
> > You said "I was able to put miles on that like you could not
> > believe, including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days" but I
> > have no difficulty believing that you did LEJoG in 10 days.
>
> And I was not claiming to be exceptional, merely that the mileage I
> did may have been at the time for a 17 year old amateur cyclist.
>

That looks like a complete contradiction to me.

[Wanker Philo]

1,325,604+1 = 1,325,605

[PhilO]

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:02:43 PM UTC, Wanker Philo wrote:

> 1,325,604+1 = 1,325,605

Why can't you give an honest answer to a simple question?
Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle.

Why are you so dishonest?

[Philo Wanking for England]

1325605 +1=1325606

[PhilO]

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:49:26 PM UTC, Philo Wanking for England wrote:
>
> 1325605 +1=1325606

Still no honest answer!

Lies upon lies upon lies.

That's all we get these days - lies and insults.

I must be asking a good question!

[Judith]

1325606 +1=1325607

Sorry sunshine: you have never ever asked a "good" question.

But you certainly do make a contribution to the group.

Excellent value.

[PhilO]

On Friday, November 2, 2012 2:29:57 PM UTC, Judith wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:27:10 -0700 (PDT), PhilO <goo1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:49:26 PM UTC, Philo Wanking for England wrote:

>
> >> 1325605 +1=1325606
>
> >Still no honest answer!
> >
> >Lies upon lies upon lies.
> >
> >That's all we get these days - lies and insults.
> >
>
> >I must be asking a good question!
>
>
>
> 1325606 +1=1325607
>
>
> Sorry sunshine: you have never ever asked a "good" question.
>
>

And you don't even explain why you won't give an honest answer. You make an issue of others posting under false names - why is it OK for you?

Earlier you said:
"Just list those you think (and have absolutely no idea about) and I will check."

Did you ever post as Porky Chapman?

[Dave - Cyclists VOR]

It was a faulty question.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

[Judith]

1325607 +1=1325608


Yes

[Roger Merriman]

Paul Cummins <uset...@stedtelephone.invalid> wrote:

> We were about to embark at Dover, when cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk (Clive
> George) came up to me and whispered:
>
> > Have you tried riding a
> > nice bike?
>
> Yes. When was a teenager, riding much more than I do now, I had a £600

> touring bike. I was able to put miles on that like you could not believe,
> including Lands End to John o Groats in 10 days.

that sounds quite doable to be honest.

>
> Nonetheless, my complaint was referring to the Viking Spring as a BSO.
> Just because it's not a Carbon Fibre frame, doesn't make it a piece of
> shit to be rubbed off someone's shoe.

The bike doesn't look good, have you seen those shifters in the flesh?
freewheel no cassette, side pull brakes and so on.

Just a bit more and you get to cheap and cheerful halfords etc still no
carbon fibre but you get STI shifters, dual pivot brakes etc.

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com

[M Wicks]

On Nov 2, 4:46 pm, PhilO <goo18...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Did you ever post as Porky Chapman?

Who is "Porky Chapman"?

[M Wicks]

On Nov 2, 7:35 pm, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT), PhilO <goo18...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >On Friday, November 2, 2012 2:29:57 PM UTC, Judith wrote:

> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:27:10 -0700 (PDT), PhilO <goo18...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> >On Thursday, November 1, 2012 6:49:26 PM UTC, Philo Wanking for England wrote:
>
> >> >> 1325605       +1=1325606
>
> >> >Still no honest answer!
>
> >> >Lies upon lies upon lies.
>
> >> >That's all we get these days - lies and insults.
>
> >> >I must be asking a good question!
>
> >> 1325606        +1=1325607
>
> >> Sorry sunshine: you have never ever asked a "good" question.
>
> >And you don't even explain why you won't give an honest answer. You make an issue of others posting under false names - why is it OK for you?
>
> >Earlier you said:
> >"Just list those you think (and have absolutely no idea about) and I will check."
>
> >Did you ever post as Porky Chapman?
>
> 1325607 +1=1325608
>
> Yes

I can't find any record of you or anyone else posting as "Porky
Chapman".

[PhilO]

On Friday, November 2, 2012 7:35:33 PM UTC, Judith wrote:
>
> >Did you ever post as Porky Chapman?
>
> 1325607 +1=1325608
>
> Yes

Which gets us to the point - why do you take exception to other people posting under false names, then?

[soup]

M Wicks wrote:

> I can't find any record of you or anyone else posting as "Porky
> Chapman".

"Just zis guy" is Guy Chapman, maybe this alludes to him or
rather someone posting as him.

[Judith]

I think he is called Porky because he tells pork pies - not because he fucks
pigs - however I am not 100%


(Just to be clear: I always give Phil(attio) the answer he is hoping to get:
and I have never posted as Porky Chapman)

[Judith]

Sorry - I meant no.

1325608 +1=1325609

[PhilO]

On Monday, November 5, 2012 11:52:41 AM UTC, Judith wrote:
>
>
> (Just to be clear: I always give Phil(attio) the answer he is hoping to get:
> and I have never posted as Porky Chapman)

Judith, we all know you do not care if what you post is true or not.

Thanks for clearing that up.

(and incidentally, you hardly ever give me the answer I am hoping to get).

[Judith]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:47:43 -0800 (PST), PhilO <goo1...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>(and incidentally, you hardly ever give me the answer I am hoping to get).

No shit!!!

Result!!!


You are excellent value.

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Hello PhilattiO

I just love the way that you have to comment on my every post.

I really do appreciate it.

You really are excellent value.

[PhilO]

>
> I think he is called Porky because he tells pork pies - not because he fucks
> pigs - however I am not 100%
>

This is another post where Judith the Liar complains about others telling lies. As Judith invented the name, the "I think he is called Porky because..." is total deception on her part.

She is as dishonest as the day is long

[PhilO]

On Monday, November 5, 2012 4:31:31 PM UTC, Judith wrote:
>
>
> I just love the way that you have to comment on my every post.
>

Another lie from Judith