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abelard
Oct 2, 2014, 9:34:34 AM10/2/14
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
"More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
2012.
Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
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Etaoin Shrdlu
Oct 2, 2014, 9:47:24 AM10/2/14
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abelard wrote:
>
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
> 2012.
>
> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
Kasparov has been especially miffed recently.
>
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
> 2012.
>
> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
http://www.kasparov.com/garry-kasparov-putin-is-the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world-and-a-bigger-threat-to-the-u-s-than-the-islamic-state/
abelard
Oct 2, 2014, 2:05:08 PM10/2/14
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:47:24 +0100, Etaoin Shrdlu <no...@chance.com>
wrote:
he could well be correct...but he is maybe too close to the action...
a lot depends on the absence of chamberlains and socialists...
obarmy is clearly not up to the job though he seems no
longer to be making any sort of policy
and europe is rather disorganised
there remain plentiful nuisances like iran, n. korea and
the chinese politburo
wrote:
a lot depends on the absence of chamberlains and socialists...
obarmy is clearly not up to the job though he seems no
longer to be making any sort of policy
and europe is rather disorganised
there remain plentiful nuisances like iran, n. korea and
the chinese politburo
johnnyjo...@gmail.com
Oct 3, 2014, 2:30:13 AM10/3/14
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On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:34:34 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>
> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>
> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>
> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>
> 2012.
>
>
>
> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>
> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>
> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
>
320,000 people left the UK last year, must be because of that socialist dictator we live under, goes by the name Camoron.
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>
> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>
> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>
> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>
> 2012.
>
>
>
> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>
> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>
> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
>
Oh wait a minute, your hypocrisy is showing again Baldrick, you've posted a link from that bastion of the truth, the BBC, you know the same one you're always on here bitching and whining about, you really couldn't make it up
Redman
abelard
Oct 3, 2014, 6:31:45 AM10/3/14
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT), dedfromth...@gmail.com
wrote:
>On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:34:34 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>> 2012.
>> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>320,000 people left the UK last year, must be because of that socialist dictator we live under, goes by the name Camoron.
so why are you whining about ever higher immigration to the uk?
everyone realises you're thick...well almost everyone...but at
least you could make some effort to cover your lies and
innumeracy...
>Oh wait a minute, your hypocrisy is showing again Baldrick, you've posted a link from that bastion of the truth, the BBC, you know the same one you're always on here bitching and whining about, you really couldn't make it up
from the unreliable leftist bbc...
2)please try to get your carers to teach you how to post correctly
3)and please do stop your constant repetition of false and weak
cliches such as 'oh wait a minute' and 'you couldn't make it up'...
they merely emphasise your lack of style and creativity, my poor
challenged mister dedfromtheneckupman...
do try to do better
>dedfromtheneckupman
wrote:
>On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:34:34 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>> 2012.
>> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>320,000 people left the UK last year, must be because of that socialist dictator we live under, goes by the name Camoron.
everyone realises you're thick...well almost everyone...but at
least you could make some effort to cover your lies and
innumeracy...
>Oh wait a minute, your hypocrisy is showing again Baldrick, you've posted a link from that bastion of the truth, the BBC, you know the same one you're always on here bitching and whining about, you really couldn't make it up
"A recent UN report notes that around 40,000 Russians applied for
asylum in 2013, 76% more than in 2012."
1) i see that you are not quoting anything that contradicts the report
asylum in 2013, 76% more than in 2012."
from the unreliable leftist bbc...
2)please try to get your carers to teach you how to post correctly
3)and please do stop your constant repetition of false and weak
cliches such as 'oh wait a minute' and 'you couldn't make it up'...
they merely emphasise your lack of style and creativity, my poor
challenged mister dedfromtheneckupman...
do try to do better
>dedfromtheneckupman
Oleg Smirnov
Oct 3, 2014, 10:16:48 PM10/3/14
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abelard, <news:e0lq2a1roei9fi4sv...@4ax.com>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times
> as many as two years earlier, according to state
> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around 40,000
> Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
> 2012.
There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
the West use those who have some problems with authorities
(including islamist extremist activities) or those who
are motivated by economic reasons but may use this cover
for easier immigration.
> Among those packing their bags have been former world
> chess champion and opposition activist Garry Kasparov,
> top economist Sergei Guriyev and social media whizz kid
> Pavel Durov
The BBC is a great source of credible information.
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times
> as many as two years earlier, according to state
> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around 40,000
> Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
> 2012.
apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
the West use those who have some problems with authorities
(including islamist extremist activities) or those who
are motivated by economic reasons but may use this cover
for easier immigration.
> Among those packing their bags have been former world
> chess champion and opposition activist Garry Kasparov,
> top economist Sergei Guriyev and social media whizz kid
> Pavel Durov
abelard
Oct 4, 2014, 4:09:20 AM10/4/14
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru>
wrote:
>abelard, <news:e0lq2a1roei9fi4sv...@4ax.com>
>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times
>> as many as two years earlier, according to state
>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around 40,000
>> Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>> 2012.
>
>There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>the West use those who have some problems with authorities
>(including islamist extremist activities) or those who
>are motivated by economic reasons but may use this cover
>for easier immigration.
what nonsense you do babble smearoff...
as if that accounts for a one year change..
>> Among those packing their bags have been former world
>> chess champion and opposition activist Garry Kasparov,
>> top economist Sergei Guriyev and social media whizz kid
>> Pavel Durov
>
>The BBC is a great source of credible information.
but of course, like every socialist, you fail to
make any case against the facts
wrote:
>abelard, <news:e0lq2a1roei9fi4sv...@4ax.com>
>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times
>> as many as two years earlier, according to state
>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around 40,000
>> Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>> 2012.
>
>There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>the West use those who have some problems with authorities
>(including islamist extremist activities) or those who
>are motivated by economic reasons but may use this cover
>for easier immigration.
as if that accounts for a one year change..
>> Among those packing their bags have been former world
>> chess champion and opposition activist Garry Kasparov,
>> top economist Sergei Guriyev and social media whizz kid
>> Pavel Durov
>
>The BBC is a great source of credible information.
make any case against the facts
Oleg Smirnov
Oct 4, 2014, 12:53:36 PM10/4/14
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abelard, <news:3nav2a9d0n05ks4ov...@4ax.com>
accepting policies in host countries. In 2013, there was a
significant increase (about 35% iirc more than in 2012)
of overall number of those applied for asylum in W. Europe.
Not only from Russia but from many other countries.
<http://tinyurl.com/lyoujcf> Polish news
"Asylum seekers from North Caucasus are flooding Europe ..
Russians are the largest group applying for refugee status
in Europe - according to the latest Eurostat data. .. Most
of them are people from the N. Caucasus .. mainly Chechens .."
The N. Caucasus people are clannish, and so those who were
able to settle in West Europe earlier now invite relatives,
thus the flow of the asylum seekers is quite explainable.
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>> than in 2012.
>>
>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>> the West use those who have some problems with
>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities) or
>> those who are motivated by economic reasons but may use
>> this cover for easier immigration.
>
> what nonsense you do babble smearoff...
>
> as if that accounts for a one year change..
Statistics like that depends on many factors, including
>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>> than in 2012.
>>
>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>> the West use those who have some problems with
>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities) or
>> those who are motivated by economic reasons but may use
>> this cover for easier immigration.
>
> what nonsense you do babble smearoff...
>
> as if that accounts for a one year change..
accepting policies in host countries. In 2013, there was a
significant increase (about 35% iirc more than in 2012)
of overall number of those applied for asylum in W. Europe.
Not only from Russia but from many other countries.
<http://tinyurl.com/lyoujcf> Polish news
"Asylum seekers from North Caucasus are flooding Europe ..
Russians are the largest group applying for refugee status
in Europe - according to the latest Eurostat data. .. Most
of them are people from the N. Caucasus .. mainly Chechens .."
The N. Caucasus people are clannish, and so those who were
able to settle in West Europe earlier now invite relatives,
thus the flow of the asylum seekers is quite explainable.
Oleg Smirnov
Oct 4, 2014, 6:30:17 PM10/4/14
to
Oleg Smirnov, <news:m0p8nd$6q9$1...@os.motzarella.org>
<http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/227228/> 2013 June
".. false rumors about facilitation of rules granting
refugee status in Germany is the main reason of the sharp
growth of applications from natives of Chechnya .. there
was information that Germany allegedly opened the way and
prepared for the Chechens special land plots and benefits
.. Now the Germans were surprised and excited about this
situation ..
Another explanation for the influx of asylum seekers is
that exactly one year ago, the Supreme Court in Germany
ruled that submitted an application for asylum and
pending refugees should enjoy the same social benefits as
all citizens of the country."
Anyway, the new subject line is correct.
> abelard, <news:3nav2a9d0n05ks4ov...@4ax.com>
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>>> than in 2012.
>>>
>>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>>> the West use those who have some problems with
>>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities) or
>>> those who are motivated by economic reasons but may use
>>> this cover for easier immigration.
>>
>> what nonsense you do babble smearoff...
>>
>> as if that accounts for a one year change..
>
> Statistics like that depends on many factors, including
> accepting policies in host countries. In 2013, there was a
> significant increase (about 35% iirc more than in 2012)
> of overall number of those applied for asylum in W.
> Europe. Not only from Russia but from many other countries.
I was right when guessing about the accepting policies.
>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>>> than in 2012.
>>>
>>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate to
>>> the West use those who have some problems with
>>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities) or
>>> those who are motivated by economic reasons but may use
>>> this cover for easier immigration.
>>
>> what nonsense you do babble smearoff...
>>
>> as if that accounts for a one year change..
>
> Statistics like that depends on many factors, including
> accepting policies in host countries. In 2013, there was a
> significant increase (about 35% iirc more than in 2012)
> of overall number of those applied for asylum in W.
> Europe. Not only from Russia but from many other countries.
<http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/227228/> 2013 June
".. false rumors about facilitation of rules granting
refugee status in Germany is the main reason of the sharp
growth of applications from natives of Chechnya .. there
was information that Germany allegedly opened the way and
prepared for the Chechens special land plots and benefits
.. Now the Germans were surprised and excited about this
situation ..
Another explanation for the influx of asylum seekers is
that exactly one year ago, the Supreme Court in Germany
ruled that submitted an application for asylum and
pending refugees should enjoy the same social benefits as
all citizens of the country."
Anyway, the new subject line is correct.
johnnyjo...@gmail.com
Oct 6, 2014, 1:53:43 AM10/6/14
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On Friday, 3 October 2014 11:31:45 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT), dedfromth...@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:34:34 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>
>
>
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>
> >> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>
> >> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>
> >> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>
> >> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>
> >> 2012.
>
>
>
> >> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>
> >> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>
> >> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
>
>
> >320,000 people left the UK last year, must be because of that socialist dictator we live under, goes by the name Camoron.
>
>
>
> so why are you whining about ever higher immigration to the uk?
>
>
>
> everyone realises you're thick...well almost everyone...but at
>
> least you could make some effort to cover your lies and
>
> innumeracy...
>
>
>
> >Oh wait a minute, your hypocrisy is showing again Baldrick, you've posted a link from that bastion of the truth, the BBC, you know the same one you're always on here bitching and whining about, you really couldn't make it up
>
>
>
> "A recent UN report notes that around 40,000 Russians applied for
>
> asylum in 2013, 76% more than in 2012."
>
>
>
> 1) i see that you are not quoting anything that contradicts the report
>
> from the unreliable leftist bbc...
>
>
My facts about 320,000 people leaving the UK last year which you have a problem with you clueless gobshite came from the ONS, I think they'll be more reliable than your socialist BBC report but the 320k leaving doesn't fit in with your biased view point of about half that number leaving Russia. Oh and where have I ever whined about immigration to the UK, please post in this thread with ALL my posts on that matter, I won't be holding my breath
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT), dedfromth...@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:34:34 UTC+1, abelard wrote:
>
>
>
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>
> >> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five times as many as
>
> >> two years earlier, according to state statistics agency figures quoted
>
> >> by business magazine Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that
>
> >> around 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more than in
>
> >> 2012.
>
>
>
> >> Among those packing their bags have been former world chess champion
>
> >> and opposition activist Garry Kasparov, top economist Sergei Guriyev
>
> >> and social media whizz kid Pavel Durov
>
>
>
> >320,000 people left the UK last year, must be because of that socialist dictator we live under, goes by the name Camoron.
>
>
>
> so why are you whining about ever higher immigration to the uk?
>
>
>
> everyone realises you're thick...well almost everyone...but at
>
> least you could make some effort to cover your lies and
>
> innumeracy...
>
>
>
> >Oh wait a minute, your hypocrisy is showing again Baldrick, you've posted a link from that bastion of the truth, the BBC, you know the same one you're always on here bitching and whining about, you really couldn't make it up
>
>
>
> "A recent UN report notes that around 40,000 Russians applied for
>
> asylum in 2013, 76% more than in 2012."
>
>
>
> 1) i see that you are not quoting anything that contradicts the report
>
> from the unreliable leftist bbc...
>
>
Redman
Oleg Smirnov
Oct 10, 2014, 2:49:22 PM10/10/14
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Oleg Smirnov, <news:m0psja$9kl$1...@os.motzarella.org>
".. a spokesman for the Police Department Lüneburg confirmed
media reports of confrontations in the Lower Saxon town of
Celle with several casualties. The "Cellesche newspaper"
reported on its website of renewed heavy clashes between
Kurdish Yazidis, Chechen Muslims and the police. On Monday
evening there was a mass brawl in the district Neuenhäusen."
> Oleg Smirnov, <news:m0p8nd$6q9$1...@os.motzarella.org>
>> abelard, <news:3nav2a9d0n05ks4ov...@4ax.com>
>>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>>>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>>>> than in 2012.
>>>>
>>>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>>>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>>>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate
>>>> to the West use those who have some problems with
>>>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities)
>>>> or those who are motivated by economic reasons but may
>>>> use this cover for easier immigration.
<http://tinyurl.com/pjsqqff> German news
>> abelard, <news:3nav2a9d0n05ks4ov...@4ax.com>
>>> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 06:16:48 +0400, "Oleg Smirnov"
>>
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29450930
>>>>> "More than 186,000 people left Russia in 2013, five
>>>>> times as many as two years earlier, according to state
>>>>> statistics agency figures quoted by business magazine
>>>>> Sekret Firmy, A recent UN report notes that around
>>>>> 40,000 Russians applied for asylum in 2013, 76% more
>>>>> than in 2012.
>>>>
>>>> There is no secret, about 90% of those from Russia who
>>>> apply for asylum are people from North Caucasus. That's
>>>> a legacy of the Chechen conflict. This way to migrate
>>>> to the West use those who have some problems with
>>>> authorities (including islamist extremist activities)
>>>> or those who are motivated by economic reasons but may
>>>> use this cover for easier immigration.
".. a spokesman for the Police Department Lüneburg confirmed
media reports of confrontations in the Lower Saxon town of
Celle with several casualties. The "Cellesche newspaper"
reported on its website of renewed heavy clashes between
Kurdish Yazidis, Chechen Muslims and the police. On Monday
evening there was a mass brawl in the district Neuenhäusen."
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