TiddlyWiki for the Rest of Us
Neil Olonoff
I've reached the point where I'm willing to pay someone now to correct the configuration of my TiddlyWiki on TiddlySpot.
I've downloaded my TW from TS, upgraded to the latest version, but cannot upload it to TS. And of course I can't get TiddlySnip to work.
But the larger issue is that TiddlyWiki remains a tool that requires a great deal of technical savvy to utilize. It's a shame because it is a GREAT tool. Someone, eventually, will swoop in and create a commercial product that steals its best features. I'll be one of those to buy it because the learning curve for TiddlyWiki as it is, is just too time-consuming and difficult for me. The tweaking, plugins, configuration tiddlers, shadow tiddlers -- it's all too painful for the average non programmer -- that's me!
This, unfortunately, is an Achilles heel of the Open Software movement. While products remain in this state -- needing constant tweaks and adjustment just to operate, most folks find them unusable, or find many features unusable. This is my situation in regards to TiddlyWiki.
I will continue to use it because it is so superior to any alternative that I know, but at the moment I don't know how to upgrade it on TiddlySpot.
I'm not sure of the answer to this dilemma. But I've noticed from the posts that there are at least a few other folks in my position.
Best regards,
Neil
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Mark S.
You might mention what operating system/browser you are using.
I think you are likely to hit a wall whenever you need a customized
software product. Either you have to pay someone to do it, or get at
the results via plugins and add-ons. This is pretty much the case in
OS or commercial software.
Before getting into TW, I reviewed dozens of Personal Content
Management systems. I only found 2 that were portable and reasonable.
One commercial and one OS. But neither were easily customizable.
I think TiddlySnip upload is broken until someone is willing to dive
in and see what's happening. Perhaps someone can recommend a packet
sniffer to help follow the action? I think TS is doing something to
the password that store.cgi doesn't like.
If you want to share your password, temporarily of course, I would be
willing to attempt to upload/download your file.
Good luck!
Mark
On Jan 25, 5:15 am, Neil Olonoff <olon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I've reached the point where I'm willing to pay someone now to correct the
> configuration of my TiddlyWiki on TiddlySpot.
>
> I've downloaded my TW from TS, upgraded to the latest version, but cannot
> upload it to TS. And of course I can't get TiddlySnip to work.
>
> But the larger issue is that TiddlyWiki remains a tool that requires a great
> deal of technical savvy to utilize. It's a shame because it is a GREAT tool.
> Someone, eventually, will swoop in and create a commercial product that
> steals its best features. I'll be one of those to buy it because the
> learning curve for TiddlyWiki as it is, is just too time-consuming and
> difficult for me. The tweaking, plugins, configuration tiddlers, shadow
> tiddlers -- it's all too painful for the average non programmer -- that's
> me!
>
> This, unfortunately, is an Achilles heel of the Open Software movement.
> While products remain in this state -- needing constant tweaks and
> adjustment just to operate, most folks find them unusable, or find many
> features unusable. This is my situation in regards to TiddlyWiki.
>
> I will continue to use it because it is so superior to any alternative that
> I know, but at the moment I don't know how to upgrade it on TiddlySpot.
>
> I'm not sure of the answer to this dilemma. But I've noticed from the posts
> that there are at least a few other folks in my position.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Neil
>
> Neil Olonoff olon...@gmail.com
Neil Olonoff
I've been using both a Windows Vista PC and a Mac OS X /Leopard iMac.
I, too, reviewed LOTS of tools prior to finding TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki has so many uniquely powerful features that set it apart. Portability. Flexibility. Compactness. Speed. Extensibility.
As you say, its customizability is both a strength and a limitation. Like certain highly desirable life-partners, it is "high maintenance!"
But that doesn't limit his or her desirability; often it makes them seem all the more desirable. I think that may be the case here.
Regards,
Neil
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Måns
> As you say, its customizability is both a strength and a limitation. Like
> certain highly desirable life-partners, it is "high maintenance!"
>
> But that doesn't limit his or her desirability; often it makes them seem all
> the more desirable. I think that may be the case here.
:-)
That's the spirit..
There are many welldesigned finished products made from TiddlyWiki.
I will recommend trying Dave Gifford's verticals for their simple and
practical use, Morris Gray's verticals for their beautiful design and
Eric's (TiddlyTools) quickstart documents for their "out of the box"
no fuzz application...
They are all very well made and you will be productive AND learn the
basics at the same time...
Regards Måns Mårtensson
Mike
TW is great, but it is easy to get lost in what you could do -.-
My recommendation is to make a list of what you want to achieve
What is your TW for, what data do you want to populate ect.
Start with that, then try to find a variant that fits the way you
work, I started with MPTW
http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/
I love TagglyTagging, and still use it to this day (almost 3 years in
TW)
Secondly, don't expect to be an expert overnight, I learn something
new every week just from watching this group, some I gather as
knowledge, some I implement into my TW - while the customization is
endless, not everything will fit your style or work-flow.
Third I am not sure what your core problems are - sounds like
tiddlysnip, and tiddlyspot
I can see you have posted about tiddlysnip, and people are working on
the issue
As for TiddlySpot, you might try a separate post asking for help on
that issue, and see what the experts come up with.
Personally I use TW on a USB drive, with Portable FireFox
Lastly, this is the most helpful group I have ever joined, and a
simple piece of software that I use everyday, pretty impressive
considering all of it is free.
Mike
Alex Hough
don't bother with tiddlysnip.
tiddlyspot is good, but dropbox is better
ALex
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shavinder
My half a cent.
Personally I experience frustration many times when I am learning
something. It is quite natural to get overwhelmed when one is exposed
to Tiddlywiki world and all its plugins and options.
I would suggest that you do not beat yourself up if you are not able
to get something to work. If you can afford the time, just take a
break. A break does wonders.
If you like I can attempt(i am not an expert please, just a tinkerer)
to upload your tiddlywiki to tiddlyspot if you are comfortable with
sharing a password. Of course once it is done you should reset the
password.
Do not give up asking for help in this group. You will soon overcome
this block and move forward.
best wishes
-shavinder
On Jan 26, 1:48 am, Alex Hough <r.a.ho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> my €0.1
>
> don't bother with tiddlysnip.
> tiddlyspot is good, but dropbox is better
>
> ALex
>
> 2010/1/25 Mike <eris...@gmail.com>
> > tiddlywiki+...@googlegroups.com<tiddlywiki%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
shavinder
Another suggestion. I shall today, after work download a blank new
tiddlywiki, and i shall try to upload it to one of my tiddlywikis at
tiddlyspot. If i succeed I shall jot down all the steps and post them
here. That should help you out.
- shavinder
shavinder
tiddlyspot account:
1. Download the existing tiddlywiki file from tiddlyspot and store it
safe somewhere. This is a backup for your data.
2. Download a new blank Tiddlywiki file from tiddlywiki.com site.
3. Copy these tiddlers into your new TW:
[[PasswordOptionPlugin]] from http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#PasswordOptionPlugin
[[UploadPlugin]] from http://tiddlywiki.bidix.info/#UploadPlugin
4. Copy [[TSpotPlugin]] from your old tiddlywiki into your new
tiddlywiki, save and refresh.
Or you can copy from here http://tspotsetupplugin.tiddlyspot.com/
5. If you copy from http://tspotsetupplugin.tiddlyspot.com/ you will
have to change this line in [[TSpotPlugin]]:
config.tiddlyspotSiteId = 'tspotsetupplugin';
to
config.tiddlyspotSiteId = 'your-site-id';
Note: if you site is foo.tiddlyspot.com then you site id is 'foo'.
5. Save and refresh. You would find that in the default
[[WelcomeToTiddlyspot]] tiddler there is an error shown. This is
because there is a
<<br>> written instead of just <br> in [[TSpotControls]]. Correct this
in [[TSpotControls]] shadow tiddler.
6. Save and refresh again.
7. Now you are good to go. Fill in your password and click the upload
button in your right sidebar. In a few moments your new Tiddlywiki
file will replace your original Tiddlywiki file at your tiddlyspot
account.
Note: all the three essential tiddler [[PasswordOptionPlugin]],
[[UploadPlugin]] and [[TSpotPlugin]] should be tagged with
'systemConfig' tag.
-shavinder
iain
TW is a very flexible tool and I use my various TW's every day.
This group is very helpful and friendly.
But... TW is still very much in formulation and while it seems to be
infinitely customisable you do have to know quite a bit if you are
starting from scratch. There are also things that simply pee me off
such as the annoying Firefox messages every time I want to save. I
know there is a work around somewhere but you'd think it might be in
the basic version without me having to find it.
Having a similar experience with Inkscape is pushing me towards making
a decision to purchase a very expensive GIS software simply because
the learning curve on the open software version looks to be very high.
It is good that there are people like Morris and Dave who have RTR off
the shelf TW's to get started otherwise I'd still be floundering.
Iain
Alex Hough
problem
======
"annoying Firefox messages every time I want to save. I
know there is a work around somewhere but you'd think it might be in
the basic version without me having to find it."
==================
Do you think that the vanilla TW, the one downloaded from tiddlywiki.com should have help included, so that your problem could be more easily solved?
Alex
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Neil Olonoff
This community really is very much different from most in their willingness to go the extra mile.
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Alex Hough
I agree with you when you say "this community really is very much different from most in their willingness to go the extra mile. "
An interesting question to investigate would be why this is so.
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Neil Olonoff
Well I can only judge by my own feelings. I like to help people when I can. I can't help much here, since I'm a newbie. But in other communities, I am more expert and can help.
I think the genius of TiddlyWiki engenders a lot of enthusiasm. It really is a small miracle of technology, isn't it. So flexible and portable at the same time.
And of course the idea that it is a free product, with no commercial backers. That also contributes to the community spirit.
Just a few thoughts,
Regards,
Neil
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FND
> different from most in their willingness to go the extra mile. "
> An interesting question to investigate would be why this is so.
It might simply be a matter of norms, with the likes of Eric
establishing a culture of unusual politeness, helpfulness, friendliness
and patience early on.
-- F.
shavinder
> establishing a culture of unusual politeness, helpfulness, friendliness
> and patience early on.
I would like to express my gratitude for people of this community who
have helped me whenever I asked for. Especially Eric, who has gone
many *extra miles* several times. I have seen that Eric creates a
plugin whenever a need arises out of people discussing their problems
here in the group. While we are struggling, he quietly gets to work,
whips out a plugin, and simply says, here take this and enjoy. It is
only right to pick and follow this culture.
Alex Hough
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FND
> doing things provide a lot of learning opportunities.
Well, then let me throw in some controversy, for giggles (since we're
way off topic anyway):
Extreme politeness and willingness to comprehensively solve others'
problems, while very beneficial for most users' immediate needs, can
yield negative long-term effects by stymying deeper understanding and
perpetuating reliance on a small group of established experts.
-- F.
Neil Olonoff
You wrote:
Extreme politeness and willingness to comprehensively solve others' problems, while very beneficial for most users' immediate needs, can yield negative long-term effects by stymying deeper understanding and perpetuating reliance on a small group of established experts.
To your point:
By constantly applying "Band-Aids" to TiddlyWiki problems, we may be avoiding facing the major operation that may be ultimately needed.
The "major operation" of course is adding those features that would place TiddlyWiki among the mature tools that don't require backstage technical tweaks by a programmer, but have controls that any user can learn.
Not an original comment, of course.
Regards,
Neil
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Måns
> It might simply be a matter of norms, with the likes of Eric
> establishing a culture of unusual politeness, helpfulness, friendliness
> and patience early on.
I like the way you phrase it ... - and I agree.
It's been a privilige to get help on this group - and I think it gives
you the feeling that you should try to live up to those standards set
by Eric and the likes of Eric.
When you can't do it by being a skillfull programmer or a talented
designer, you still can help others by pointing in some direction,
which might solve their problem.
That said, I must add that one of the reasons why I MUST follow these
threads is the fact that there are several *very* talented TiddlyWiki
and JS specialists who seem to be able to make TiddlyWiki do anything
you ask for - as long as your requests are reasonable. You are indeed
one of those TwWizards :-)
Userquestions are often very inspiring - and give you unique insight
in new ways to think about and adopt TiddlyWiki to *reallife*
problemsolving..
Reallife versus ?:
Sometimes I see TiddlyWiki as an almost therapeutic tool -
I think of an almost unmanagable problem - break it up into smaller
pieces - make each piece work and put them together again - and I
discover that the BIG problem already has been solved in the
process... - it's magic... and one of the things I've learned from
this group. (And I'm *not* using mptwGTD - whatever...)
Thanks
Regards Måns Mårtensson
Jeremy Ruston
> Sometimes I see TiddlyWiki as an almost therapeutic tool -
> I think of an almost unmanagable problem - break it up into smaller
> pieces - make each piece work and put them together again - and I
> discover that the BIG problem already has been solved in the
> process... - it's magic... and one of the things I've learned from
> this group. (And I'm *not* using mptwGTD - whatever...)
That's beautiful, I love the idea of TiddlyWiki as a productive
displacement activity.
To answer Alex's earlier question about whether all my projects are
like this - firstly, I've never had the privilege of being involved
with anything like TiddlyWiki before, in the sense of being in the
middle of a community of actual people. Perhaps the closest thing is
the software teams I've managed over the years, at BTC, Dresdner, On
Board Info, Interactive1, and now, finally, Osmosoft. When I think of
those teams I suspect that I don't really see the commonality, because
it is likely to stem rather directly from my own behaviour/values
etc., which I'm kind of blind to. Anyhow, I adore working with other
people, and building and shaping a team is one of the exquisite
pleasures available to someone with my desire to build things.
When I was a teenager I was kind of a hippy; I remember at 19 finally
figuring out to my own satisfaction what the purpose of life is - I
decided it was to love, and be loved. Which is possibly a bit naive
from some perspectives. Anyhow, you may be able to glean better
insights from this interview when I was 17:
http://jermolene.com/2007/06/05/young-jerm/
One further thought is that it feels very much to me as though this
version of TiddlyWiki is version "n" of a single product that I've
spent my life striving to design. I hope that we are all still
together in 20 years, putting the finishing touches to TiddlyWiki2030,
with support for millions of tiddlers, and some kind of funky zoomy
fractal visualisation that helps you perceive and shape connections
and links.
Cheers
Jeremy
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Alex Hough
Neil Olonoff
You wrote:
From a knowledge management specialist angle, what can the TW community do to facilitate the flow of knowledge in such a way that diverts it from the "negative long-term effects by stymying deeper understanding and perpetuating reliance on a small group of established experts"? [1]
From a Knowledge Management (KM) perspective the TiddlyWiki group and its related groups TiddlyDev etc, constitute a quasi professional "community of practice" (COP). Professional COPs share a common vocabulary and shared "repertoires," or routinized activities.
By participating in this group, the members participate in a creative space for communication. A Japanese KM theorist named Ikujiru Nonaka calls this a "ba", which is a concept that comes out of Japanese and Buddhist philosophy. It's something like "space," although English doesn't have an equivalent word. Dr. Dave Snowden uses a Welsh term -- Cynefin -- which has the added dimension of geographical space (sort of like "neighborhood")
In order to enhance this space for communication it might be useful for the members to learn more about one another, in order to strengthen relationships and increase the "bandwidth" or richness of the communication. Learning about other people's day jobs and their interests definitely can help. This points to a qualitative change in the group's posts, that may not be of interest, however. But really, that's the essence of becoming a "knowledge community."
All groups have a micro-culture. Others have observed that this is a generous and giving culture. Changing the communications might change the culture. The communication bandwidth has been narrow, focused on TW. Widening the bandwidth carries both risks and opportunities, and only you can decide if it's something you might want to pursue.
Part of the risk is this: Possibly what has kept this community so civil is the narrowness of its focus. It's hard to get personal when you're talking about plugins and uploads. But start talking about personal matters and the conversation can easily go in unexpected directions. This is what happens in so many other communities.
So the road to greater understanding requires expanding the range of topics, and thereby opening the conversation, which also contains the potential risk of an occasional decline in civility.
Regards,
Neil
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Måns
> Extreme politeness and willingness to comprehensively solve others'
> problems, while very beneficial for most users' immediate needs, can
> yield negative long-term effects by stymying deeper understanding and
> perpetuating reliance on a small group of established experts.
However I feel that the tools provided ( by Eric's TiddlyTools site in
particular) i.e inlinejavascriptplugin etc opens a door to knowledge
which otherwise would be unavailable for someone like me...
Eric's toolbox and this groups knowledgebase provides a complete
alphabet to combat javascript, CSS and html illiteracy and I believe
that what has been accomplished so far makes a solid fundament for
anyone who wants to gain independence/stand on ones own feet, if
you're interested in taking advantage of the webapps/online services,
and still create your own experience at your own pace...
Jeremy predicted: "I think that TiddlyWiki represents a novel medium
for writing, and will promote its own distinctive writing style."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiddlywiki
I think that TiddlyWiki represents a novel medium for learning to
program webapplications, and will promote its own distinctive learning
style for doing so,- and I also believe that it offers a unique
*private/subjective* approach to netpublishing which hasn't any
equivalence - because everything else is host/servicebased, and all
users are customers/consumers not individuals and craftsmen....
TiddlyWiki's versatility makes tools, otherwise only available to
programmers, who design our webexperience within reach for those who
want the power for themselves...
And you can create a familytree for your granddad as well ;-)
The "reliance on a small group of established experts" isn't so bad
when the culture perpetuates and attacts new experts, who "keeps the
pot boiling".... Openness is a keyword and hospitality is a virtue...
If it all fades away because "the established experts" dissapear -
then it has outgrown itself and doesn't deliver an alternative to the
predominantly unconscious consumer culture on the Web. On the other
hand I believe that everyone is free to make industrystandard
applications from the TiddlyWiki verticals and earn their living
making taylored applications on demand - ....
Sorry for the loong message - and my bad english, - Just had to speak
up even if it was a deliberate provocation... :-)
Regards Måns Mårtensson
Jeremy Ruston
80s
Conway's Life, and particularly the result about self replication - as
I understood it from William Poundstone's book, Conway proved that the
rules of Life were sufficient for a self-replicating pattern to come
into being from a random field. I later got interested in other
cellular automata, and explored lots in ridiculously carefully written
ARM assembler code on the Acorn Archimedes. I was less interested in
the metaphysical result (the self replicating patterns are pretty
contrived), and more in the ease with which the illusion of rich,
natural looking processes could be done with a few very simple bits of
boolean logic.
Animation. I got involved in producing about 30 animations for BBC
childrens afternoon TV on my BBC Micro (and later for a couple of
Horizon programme). It was an astonishing gig to get so young (it came
about because of the books I'd written about the BBC Micro), and it
meant that I stayed up all night carefully crafting comedy animations
to fit into 12K of 6502 machine code, and then delivered them to the
TV studios the next morning, and got home in time to see them on TV
that afternoon. I was very lucky to be able to experiment with lots of
silly little things. I studied Disney (via books and still-frame VHS)
to understand how the animation tricks were done, but ended up
fascinated by their approach to story telling.
Godel, Escher, Bach - I got this book in 1981, and adored it, albeit
it took me a few years to get all the way through it. I loved Alice in
Wonderland as a child, too.
Fractals, complexity theory etc. We were all interested in this stuff, right?
90s
How to separate the presentation of a user interface from the
underlying data. This was before HTTP and the web, with Visual Basic
starting to shape my thoughts. I was fascinated by Hypercard (and
built a knock-off clone for Digithurst, a company making very early
and very expensive "truecolor" graphics cards for PCs in the late
'80s). It was then that I got interested in the value of a spartan
data model, and the way that user convention can be cheaper and more
effective than more and more programming.
Teams and organisations. It was in 1990, when I was 25, that I first
got a proper job, and starting working in an office one day a week (it
wasn't until I was 31 that I worked in an office full time). Like lots
of people in that situation, I was bewildered and baffled by the fusty
conventions of a business (they had secretaries, memos and
typewriters, and a newly installed email system). But, thrust right
into the middle of one, I became fascinated by the way that people
interact over a common purpose, and how they deal with the little
conflicts of purpose when they arise.
2000s
Tools. I became more explicitly interested in tools, and particularly
the concept of tools that require an investment to learn a handful of
new concepts (<7), but then in use, you find that those concepts
harmoniously fit together and recombine, to breed complexity in the
same way that the simple rules of Conway's life can breed such
complexity. I think of this in contrast to the goal of much web design
which aims to require no more investment of the user than does
ordering a book from Amazon.
Obviously, TiddlyWiki is a direct manifestation of that thinking: you
grasp tiddlers and links, tags, editting, shadow tiddlers and so on,
and then with those tools you can build all the amazing stuff we see
people doing with TiddlyWiki.
Best wishes
Jeremy
Neil Olonoff
Regarding KM and Fractals. There are KM folks studying and writing about groups and organizations as complex adaptive systems. Personally, I am more focused on small group dynamics and the "relationality" of knowledge, so I'm at the other end of the spectrum.
I guess crowdsourcing is an example of employing a complex systems perspective to accomplish knowledge tasks.
Complexity
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Alex Hough
Alex Hough
Neil Olonoff
You asked:
What do you mean about the "relationality" of knowledge? How one bit is related to an others?
It is difficult to answer the question briefly and concisely. The answer revolves around the notion of the "social construction" of reality. Much of what we perceive as "real" exists within a frame that is defined by our cognitive capabilities, social structures and norms, and relational ties. We are under the impression that our perceptions are "personal" but we are far more intimately tied to our surroundings via our cognitive connections than we can realize. What we perceive as "our" knowledge is an ongoing product and process of relational being. It is not a "thing" that's "out there."
There are different ways of envisioning this notion. Kuhn gave an example in terms of "paradigms." Scientists see the world via the dominant paradigm. When that apple cart is upset, so are the scientists, until, eventually the paradigm changes. But the old guard usually has to die off before that happens.
Lakoff and Johnson (Philosophy in the Flesh) discuss this in terms of metaphors and frames of reverence. Essentially they are saying we cannot think or communicate without a common reference and these take the forms of metaphors.
Knowledge management is an attempt to improve the use of knowledge in organizations. Early efforts focused on information and data gathering. Next we focused on teams and collaborative tools. Then social networks. The field is evolving towards a recognition of the ways in which we can create "bridges of meaning" between different areas of knowledge systems. (i.e., "bridging epistemologies and ontologies.)
But it doesn't have to be that complicated. Until we achieve the technology of mindmelds or Avatar-style fiberoptic connections to our brains, the ultimate "killer application" in the application of relational knowledge management is conversation.
Regards,
Neil
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Alex Hough
Sometimes I see TiddlyWiki as an almost therapeutic tool -
I think of an almost unmanagable problem - break it up into smaller
pieces - make each piece work and put them together again - and I
discover that the BIG problem already has been solved in the
process... - it's magic... and one of the things I've learned from
this group
HansWobbe
On Jan 26, 12:17 pm, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy.rus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, I love the idea of TiddlyWiki as a productive
> displacement activity.
>
The text of this post (and indeed, the spirit of this whole community
that it represents) may be one of the best endorsements of "open
source" that I've come across.
All I can add is my personal gratitude for the work of everyone
involved in this community and in fact for its direct predecessors
such as Ward Cunningham (the original Wiki), and the great multitude
of developers that I've had the privilege of watching throughout my
40+ years.
Cheers -- HansWobbe
Eric Weir
On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mike wrote:
> I can see you have posted about tiddlysnip, and people are working on
> the issue
Wouldn't an enhanced clipboard do the job? There a many good ones for OSX.
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Eric Weir
On Jan 26, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> I remember at 19 finally
> figuring out to my own satisfaction what the purpose of life is - I
> decided it was to love, and be loved. Which is possibly a bit naive
> from some perspectives.
Yes, but they're the ones who're *really* naive. There isn't anything else that works.
Eric Weir
On Jan 26, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Måns wrote:
> Sorry for the loong message - and my bad english....
Well, to make a metaphor out of your earlier comment, you could alway break it up into smaller pieces. And maybe, as in your earlier comment, the result would be something greater than the pieces, an insight that would've been missed the other way.
As for you "bad english," you need to knock that off. There's nothing wrong with your English. Besides, my Danish, and imagine about everyone else's here except Morris, is zilch.
Regards,
iain
I am surprised you didn't mention Foucault in your discussion as Kuhn
only scratched the surface, Foucault tried to upturn the whole field
of knowledge especially in the areas of medicine and psychology.
Anyway in reply to Alex's comment I think the basic TW should be made
to work "seamlessly" with Firefox or some other browser - at least one
of them. It would seem an essential part of any software.
Regards
Iain
Alex Hough
TW does work "seamlessly" with firefox. I run firefox with an array of plugins too : delicious, zotero, firebug, ubiquity, colorzilla, addblocker
I have not had the problems you describe. i would raise the problem on a separate thread. It might be worth re-installing firefox and check the installation notes [1].
Alex
[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#Installation
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Neil Olonoff
In retrospect I felt my post was too abstruse as it was. To go into Foucault, Derrida, and the whole "postmodernist turn" felt way too off-topic for this forum. But if you want to correspond in the back channel I'd be happy to chat.
Since my dissertation is about the "relational dimension" as concerns "knowledge management," I unfortunately must tackle the whole question of "what is knowledge?" This hasn't been settled in thousands of years and I doubt that I will come to a clear conclusion.
Part of the problem is that deconstructionists come at the world as a "text" to be "deconstructed". The average business executive comes at the world with a largely objectivist, naive view of knowledge. Since knowledge management is supposed to be a practical discipline, we have to mediate between those extreme views, and I've chosen the word "relational" to provide a teeter-totter between them.
I'm afraid that's as much as I can say without a cup of coffee!
Regards,
Neil
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HansWobbe
On Jan 29, 2:57 am, Neil Olonoff <olon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Since my dissertation is about the "relational dimension" as concerns
> "knowledge management," I unfortunately must tackle the whole question of
> "what is knowledge?" This hasn't been settled in thousands of years and I
> doubt that I will come to a clear conclusion.
>
If there is a "back channel" discussion of this, I (for one) would be
quite interested in "eavesdropping" if the channel you decide to use
allows that.
Regards,
Hans
Alex Hough
Please keep using this tread for deconstrucion and pomo epistemological discussions. I think it is important that "Variety" in the sense that Ross Ashby uses the term is not over 'attenuated' so that 'requite variety' is disturbed.
Stafford Beer, in Decision and Contol talks about a 'walk in the ramified system'. In it he makes the case for allowing extra capacity in communication and allocating resource for pursuing random variation.
As TiddlyWiki's espoused purpose is as a 'personal non-linear notebook' which I think that the organisation of the stuff - information and that goes into and comes out of - the TW highly important. At a higher level of 'recusrion, in the sense that Beer uses the term, Jerermy has named the company responsible for TW 'Osmosoft' himting at osmosis and software. Its not all about plugins and macros, CSS and jQuery; for me its about mind and techogy in a 'structual coupling' is the Maturana sense.
Apologies in advance for pretentious non-sense.
I vote for the back channel to be a front channel
Alex
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Neil Olonoff
You must be very tall, because that's quite a stretch! Linking "requisite variety" and "structural coupling" to ideas of tagging and the hyperlinked structure of a wiki (and by extension, conversations about how TW works) is a breathtaking leap.
But the funny thing is, it's got some validity. For example: Requisite variety of course is an idea that derives from evolutionary biology; the idea that a population has to have enough variety in its genotype to withstand extremes of hardship in various forms. And that certainly is true of TiddlyWiki, in its extensibility and malleability.
Enough for now! If we're going to engage in posts of this type here, I recommend we keep them short!
Regards,
Neil
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Alex Hough
The variety balance is between number of tags, length of tiddler text, links and the mind of the reader.
I find hypertexts with too many links and tags confusing.
Many folk seem intent on linking and tagging to make things more easy to understand, but they generate complexity beyond the requirement for complexity by the reader. The text looses out as the reader meanders away from the point
I think Mark Bernstein makes the point elegantly in the hypertext garden [1]. Looking at his tools, it is easy to conceptualize hypertext links as loops. The reader revisits, and should enjoy revisiting parts of the text, like walking though a good garden.
Ross Ashby was a psychologist. Requisite Variety has transfered into biology, but started as a concept to
analyse the mind. His archieves have been recently digitised by the British Computer Society [2].
I am sure that linking Structural Coupling, hypertext links and Requisite Variety is not my idea. Its become part of my model of the world. I've not really questioned it before, but I have been thinking about the many web 2.0 technologies as channels, and wondering how one would measure their variety.
Alex
[1] http://www.eastgate.com/garden/
[2] http://www.rossashby.info/
Neil Olonoff
Funny you mention Mark Bernstein. I tried for months to use Tinderbox, and finally gave up. The interface was just too difficult for me. Maybe someone can tell me what I was missing.
Neil
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Neil Olonoff
Thanks for the link to Ashby's work; I had forgotten that requisite variety was a cybernetic / psychological concept before it was biological.
So much to remember ...
Neil
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iain
"So much to remember ...
Neil"
but do you remember "general systems theory" - the world as a system.
I am thinking about it because of a paper I am writing and am doing a
bit of a litt review and have some of the Odum brothers work on
ecosystems on my desk (and I must say the books are a bit dusty and
one smells a bit musty).
yours
Iain
Alex Hough
Here are some more contributions to 'the off topic thread'
Ontologies
========
Has anyone played about with ontologies and tagging on TW?
I've strayed into unknown territory after i revisited VUE[1] and saw a presentation made by someone using Protoge [2] in a model of an organisation.
I like the idea of a pre-determined number of tags for classes of things and relationships between these tags
Tagged Links
==========
In TW it would be nice to add a 'relationship tag' to links.
The link could be a tiddler. The link is often more interesting than the things it connects.
I thought this could be a possible notation:
[[TiddlerTittle/linkClass]] e.g. [[Jimmy/isSonof]] .
If the tiddler containing the link was 'James' the tooltip would popup would say "Jimmy is a son of James' . Following the link would open tiddler Jimmy.
You could use CSS e.g. {{isChildof{[[TiddlerTitle]]}}} but it is not easy to type.
Alex
[1] http://vue.tufts.edu/
[2] http://protege.stanford.edu/
Iain
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