tiddlyspot or tiddlyspace

[Idris.Dragon]

I am new to TW, and have been setting up a TW in tiddlyspot.

I have been using FF 3.6 as suggested, but am frustrated with FF continual reminders to update, and not being able to use some FF add-ons (Ad-lock for example). To resolve this tried the suggested fix of moving to tiddlyspace.

However, my TW shows very differently in t.space than in t.spot. I use some html and div statements to position pictures; in t.space these are duplicated.

So questions are: is T.Space different from T.Spot (my first "feel" of T.Space was that it is more technical (and complicated) than T.Spot.

Picking up from the last topic, which was relevant to this, I am still not sure how to clear the TW that is not working in T.Space.

Any help would be appreciated, as I am very much in the learning phase with this.

[HansBKK]

On Saturday, February 11, 2012 4:05:40 PM UTC+7, Idris.Dragon wrote:

I am new to TW, and have been setting up a TW in tiddlyspot.

I have been using FF 3.6 as suggested, but am frustrated with FF continual reminders to update, and not being able to use some FF add-ons (Ad-lock for example). To resolve this tried the suggested fix of moving to tiddlyspace.

I haven't used any of the server-side stuff, so can't help there, but note that I **only** use my portable FF 3.6 for those applications that require it, not for my regular browsing - do you need Ad-lock for Tiddlywiki?

Note also that you can turn off the update reminders under Tools >> Options >>Advanced >> Update

[Idris.Dragon]

thanks for that. I do have the updates off but sometimes it will try to tell me to update. My biggest concern with the FF issue is not so much the current solution, which I can handle, but the longer term; if writing and saving a TW is dependant upon quite an old version of FF, and this has not been resolved or addressed, will TW itself become unusable as FF retires the old versions? As a new user I am reluctant to put a lot of effort into something that might become obsolete.

That was part of the reason for trying to move to Tiddlyspace, but as the page did not work, and I can't find out why, I will probably drop this experiment.

thanks for the comments though.

[HansBKK]

Firefox has already "retired" FF3 as far as any further development goes, but as long as it continues to work for users, we're free to use it forever.

The next generation of Tiddlywiki should fully support modern browsers, and it's currently under development.

[Måns]

Hi Idris.Dragon

> However, my TW shows very differently in t.space than in t.spot. I use some
> html and div statements to position pictures; in t.space these are
> duplicated.
>
> So questions are: is T.Space different from T.Spot (my first "feel" of
> T.Space was that it is more technical (and complicated) than T.Spot.
>
> Picking up from the last topic, which was relevant to this, I am still not
> sure how to clear the TW that is not working in T.Space.

It's more likely that you'll get help with TiddlySpace questions on
the tiddlyspace usergroup: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlyspace

If you want to delete all tiddlers from your space - you can paste
this code into a browser console (like FireBug) "b = new
tiddlyweb.Bag(config.extensions.tiddlyspace.currentSpace.name +
"_private", "/"); t = b.tiddlers().get(function(tiddlers)
{jQuery.each(tiddlers, function(i, tid) { var deleteMe = new
tiddlyweb.Tiddler(tid.title, b); deleteMe['delete'](function()
{console.log("deleted " + tid.title); }, function()
{console.log('error ' + tid.title);}); }); });"
It will delete all private tiddlers in the space... If some of your
tiddlers are public, you'd want to convert them to private in
advance...

If you want to tell that your space should be removed from
TiddlySpace.com - you can include "deleted":
http://deleted.tiddlyspace.com. It will tell visitors that the space
shouldn't be included, as it is to be deleted somewhere in the
future...

A TiddlySpace hosted wiki shouldn't be different from a TiddlySpot
hosted wiki when it comes to styling and css....
You might want to inspect your StyleSheet tiddler to see if it
includes some CSS that you haven't put there yourself...

In general your are more likely to get help with these sort of things
if you can provide a test example or if you are able to point to the
specific wiki and let others have a look at it...

Good luck..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[PMario]

On Feb 12, 11:08 am, "Idris.Dragon" <fritha.neyl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That was part of the reason for trying to move to Tiddlyspace, but as the
> page did not work, and I can't find out why, I will probably drop this
> experiment.

hmm, TW and TiddlySpace are "hard to grasp" for new users but I think
it would be worth to specify "but as the page did not work, and I
can't find out why," a bit closer. I know the devs want to improve the
"first time" experience for TiddlySpace. But with lack of feedback
from new users, it is quite hard, to improve the stuff.

So if you could spend some more time, and give some feedback, eg: what
you'd have expected, I'm sure it will be much appreciated.

-m

[Idris.Dragon]

thanks to all for some useful comments. I will work on them, and let
you know. (may be a bit of time though!)

In the interest of helping rather than grumbling then, let me explain
the issues I've had with Tiddlyspace (although maybe it should be on
that forum?):

When I registered with T.Space I copied what was then my work in
progress. It is still there at http://llanarth.tiddlyspace.com/.
As you see there header is duplicated; on tiddlyspot it looks like
this:http://llanarth.life.tiddlyspot.com/

I've also strugged to upload whilst in TiddlySpace, but that's another
probiem and issue.

Does TiddlySpace have a different default empty tiddly to the one I
downloaded?
How can I see the version I am on?

thanks again for all your comments.

[Måns]

Hi Idris.Dragon

> When I registered with T.Space I copied what was then my work in

> progress. It is still there athttp://llanarth.tiddlyspace.com/.

> As you see there header is duplicated; on tiddlyspot it looks like
> this:http://llanarth.life.tiddlyspot.com/

In your StyleSheet tiddler at tiddlyspace it says:
"[[StyleSheetTiddlySpace]]"
Delete it and it will look very much like your tiddlyspot space...

Another option is to include the classictheme from http://themes.tiddlyspace.com

It's actually quite easy to get a new theme for your tiddlyspace TW.
Simply write the name (prefix) of the theme you want eg.
"classictheme" in the "includebox" - located at the upperleft in the
backstage menu...

If you want to import tiddlers from another TW you should use the
import function located in the backstage menu (centered icon). Choose
the import/export tab "Import a TiddlyWiki". Choose the tiddlers you
want to import with checkboxes.

Binary import - (which you have used to import your tiddlyspot TW) is
for images and such - not tiddlers..

> How can I see the version I am on?

In a tiddler write <<version>> ..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

[PMario]

On Feb 12, 2:39 pm, "Idris.Dragon" <fritha.neyl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I registered with T.Space I copied what was then my work in
> progress. It is still there at http://llanarth.tiddlyspace.com/.
> As you see there header is duplicated; on tiddlyspot it looks like
> this:http://llanarth.life.tiddlyspot.com/

I see

> Does TiddlySpace have a different default empty tiddly to the one I
> downloaded?
> How can I see the version I am on?

TiddlySpace has a very different layout, than any tiddlyspot TWs.

Also
TspotSetupPlugin
UploadPlugin
PasswordOptionsPlugin
LoadRemoteFileThroughProxy

plugins don't work in a TiddlySpace environment.

It seems, you have messed up the PageTemplate, but I'm not sure about
this.

I'll file an issue at github TiddlySpace repo.

-m

[PMario]

> I'll file an issue at github TiddlySpace repo.

https://github.com/TiddlySpace/tiddlyspace/issues/914
we'll see ;)
-m

[Idris.Dragon]

Hi Both, (Mons and PMario). thanks for your help on this. this is
really useful. I will get on to it... I WILL get back, but will be
working on it in the evenings so it may be a few days. Again very much
appreciate your support.

[colmjude]

Hi Idris,

Very late reply to your question but hope still find it useful.

TiddlySpace does indeed look different to tiddlyspot because it has
its own tiddlywiki theme that has its own PageTemplate, StyleSheets,
etc.

If you want to use the default TW theme as your base theme them you
can un-include the TS theme.
TiddlySpace has the ability to include[1] a set of tiddlers from
another space(or tiddlywiki), and this is how things like the TS theme
is shared across in the spaces in TS. It is a powerful mechanism that
saves people from having to copy lots of tiddlers between spaces and
keep various instances up to date.

If you use something using this mechanism you can just un-include the
space and the tiddlers will be removed.

HTH

Colm

[1] - http://faq.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BHow%20do%20I%20include%2Fexclude%20spaces%3F%5D%5D