RelatedTiddlersPlugin

[mezcalbean]

Hi

Is there a way to display only the "find all tiddlers related to:"
field and not have the second field displayed "exclude links contained
in:"

also

The only way I found to join these together was to use [[tiddler]] but
is there another way as this way the "join" is displayed on the
tiddler as I dont want to show the connection

using


<<relatedTiddlers TiddlerName hideform "exclude list">>


Thanks

Philippe

[mezcalbean]

Ok got the first part working - but can anyone tell me how to join the
tiddlers together ? without using [[sample]] as this shows up on the
page ?

Thanks

Philippe

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Philippe,

Please always refer to a plugins source, makes it easier for people to recognize and to find:

http://tiddlytools.com/#RelatedTiddlersPlugin

There is a list view and a tree view.

Where exactly is there any "joining" involved?

You might also be interested in x-plore which is based on RelatedTiddlersPlugin:

http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#x-plore

(see toolbar button)

Tobias.

[mezcalbean]

Hi Thanks for your reply,

What I am trying to do with http://tiddlytools.com/#RelatedTiddlersPlugin
is to have on our internal site where we have many policies. When we
bring up a policy I want to link other polices that are related to
them using /#RelatedTiddlersPlugin . but I am unsure how to like the
tiddlers. Or is there a better way of doing it. I will try your
suggestion now


Thanks

Philippe

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Philippe,

There are a number of ways to relate tiddlers to one another.

Although that cant be extended via custom functions, by default RelatedTiddlersPlugin relies on tiddlers that are linked via internal tiddlyLinks.

Perhaps a more intuitive way is to group and relate tiddlers (or Policies) using tags.

For example, you could have different policy categories, so you tag individual policies with <PolicyCategoryXYZ> or <PolicyCategoryABC>. Then you would tag those category tiddlers with <Policy> which you perhaps link form your MainMenu. Once you click on Policy in your MainMenu you will find all Policy Categories in the "Tagging" box. Clicking on that you will get to each individual Policy. What you should avoid when using tagging is to use a category tag for different purposes. In other words, a PolicyCategory should always and only be used to tag to a Policy.

In other words, relating tiddlers via tags is a bit more intuitive than using tiddlyLinks, unless a single tiddler had a number of policies in it.

When it comes to tagging, I most always start with the sitemap feature of TagglyTagging from http://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/. It takes a few minutes to grab the implications but one you got it, tagging becomes a highly explorative feature.

Another thing that might be interesting are crosstables for tags via xtab: http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#%5B%5Bx-tab%20info%5D%5D

In a short while yet another way of "tagging", namely "inline tagging" (like #hashtags) will be available (in a tested and stable manner):
http://hashtags.tiddlyspace.com/

Eventually you could even use custom templates via http://www.tiddlytools.com/#TaggedTemplateTweakInfo for tiddlers that perhaps are tagged "Policy" which provide an extra field in edit mode called "PolicyCategory" and then find and listed all (Policy) tiddlers in a grouped manner that have said field via http://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#ForEachTiddlerPlugin or some neat little custom script you have written using http://www.tiddlytools.com/#InlineJavascriptPluginInfo.

Tobias.

[mezcalbean]

Thanks for all the information,

I have taken your advice on board and changed a few bits. I have used
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin – which is a great for
searching, it can also used when we have a tiddler open where users
can search more (as you would know:) ) – I have installed
http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html which is a great menu system
and have tagged all the tiddlers so the menu system picks them up with
ease.

Could I ask with http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#jQueryPopup - how can I
change the look of it as you have ?

Againg thank you and hoepful this inforamtion will be useful to
someone else

Regards

Philippe

On Apr 3, 2:57 pm, Tobias Beer <beertob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> There are a number of ways to relate tiddlers to one another.
>
> Although that cant be extended via custom functions, by default
> RelatedTiddlersPlugin relies on tiddlers that are linked via internal
> tiddlyLinks.
>
> Perhaps a more intuitive way is to group and relate tiddlers (or Policies)
> using tags.
>
> For example, you could have different policy categories, so you tag
> individual policies with <PolicyCategoryXYZ> or <PolicyCategoryABC>. Then
> you would tag those category tiddlers with <Policy> which you perhaps link
> form your MainMenu. Once you click on Policy in your MainMenu you will find
> all Policy Categories in the "Tagging" box. Clicking on that you will get
> to each individual Policy. What you should avoid when using tagging is to
> use a category tag for different purposes. In other words, a PolicyCategory
> should always and only be used to tag to a Policy.
>
> In other words, relating tiddlers via tags is a bit more intuitive than
> using tiddlyLinks, unless a single tiddler had a number of policies in it.
>
> When it comes to tagging, I most always start with the sitemap feature of

> TagglyTagging fromhttp://mptw.tiddlyspot.com/. It takes a few minutes to

> grab the implications but one you got it, tagging becomes a highly
> explorative feature.
>
> Another thing that might be interesting are crosstables for tags via xtab:http://tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com/#%5B%5Bx-tab%20info%5D%5D
>
> In a short while yet another way of "tagging", namely "inline tagging"
> (like #hashtags) will be available (in a tested and stable manner):http://hashtags.tiddlyspace.com/
>

> Eventually you could even use custom templates viahttp://www.tiddlytools.com/#TaggedTemplateTweakInfofor tiddlers that

> perhaps are tagged "Policy" which provide an extra field in edit mode
> called "PolicyCategory" and then find and listed all (Policy) tiddlers in a

> grouped manner that have said field viahttp://tiddlywiki.abego-software.de/#ForEachTiddlerPluginor some neat

[Tobias Beer]

Oh, by the way. My last post had a typo. It should have read:

>> Although IT CAN be extended via custom functions, by default RelatedTiddlersPlugin relies on tiddlers that are linked via internal tiddlyLinks

...sorry for that.

As for styling jQueryPopup, I suggest you use Firebug or the Google Chrome inspect element function to figure out what css classes are used and then override those by defining your desired styles via your StyleSheet tiddler.

Let us know if you should have troubles with that.

Tobias.

[Tobias Beer]

[mezcalbean]

Hi Thanks,

yes I should have thought of that with the jQueryPopup.

I have another question if it needs I will post up front.

As I said before we are using this for our dept policies etc... the problem I'm facing or need some help in is that we have many folders (PDF's) containing all the policies, but we can only have one of those files so there's no doubling up of files etc... but this files pertains to various locations within the Tiddly Wiki.

So I have a list say section A that has policy a,b,c, then another tiddler containing section B  containing b,c,d. The way im going to do it is link each PDF in their own tiddler and use  http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin to list the particular policies in each section. The way I would have to do it as far as I can see is link each policy in a single tiddler and then tag them so it would display in the section A, B etc.. automatically so there would  be a central location that I could edit and the changes would be made across the Wiki.

The problem im facing is that when people search using  http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#SearchOptionsPlugin  I don't want that single page tiddler coming up and want that hidden from the search but I can use exclude as that in return hides it from being display within the sections ? using <<search "wood" report=list>>

Hopefully this makes sense and if there is a better way I would be grateful with your help

Thanks