Non common Terrestials and Aquatic bug patterns

[Aaron O]

With the cold weather keeping me inside recently, I have been tying alot for the coming spring/summer and this got me thinking.  I'm curious of anyone ever ties and/or fishes non-common flies (grasshoppers, beetles, ants, nymphs, etc...) and if you had any success with them in the VA/DC/MD area.  I know we occasionally get cicada in the spring and I have hear about fly patterns but don't know anyone that uses them.  I remember seeing water boatmen/ northern backswimmers as a kid but that was in NY.  I have been tying some hairy catapillars recently and last year I tied some mulberry flies (I know its not a bug but same idea).  Looking for other ideas of flies that will actually catch a fish and not just look cool in a fly box.

 

Let me hear your thoughts,

[TurbineBlade]

Hey Aaron -- I'm a huge fan of soft hackle wet flies in still water.  I had a catfish hit one last weekend that had a bead head, and the "partridge and orange" in #12-14 seem to catch bluegill like crazy.  I think I might be one of the only people who fishes these things regularly in warm water.  I basically use them like a plastic tube jig I guess -- action given with rod, not line strips.  I can't break the spinning rod habit and mostly use the rod to give action to flies ;).  It works fine, but there may be better ways - I dunno.  

Actually, I rarely fish anything other than foam bugs and wet flies come to think of it....

Maybe this counts?  

Gene 

[Aaron O]

Hey Gene,

 

      Sounds cool,  Is there anyway you can add a photo of it to this forum?  I'm a visual person and seeing it would help. 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Aaron

 

[r...@robsnowhite.com]

You can't go wrong with the classic Jassid. Some others would be moths, mice, salmon maggot, and for around here the stinkbugs 

I've always wanted to throw. Baby swallow under a bridge in Colorado. 

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On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Aaron O <aa...@jorgeinc.com> wrote:

With the cold weather keeping me inside recently, I have been tying alot for the coming spring/summer and this got me thinking.  I'm curious of anyone ever ties and/or fishes non-common flies (grasshoppers, beetles, ants, nymphs, etc...) and if you had any success with them in the VA/DC/MD area.  I know we occasionally get cicada in the spring and I have hear about fly patterns but don't know anyone that uses them.  I remember seeing water boatmen/ northern backswimmers as a kid but that was in NY.  I have been tying some hairy catapillars recently and last year I tied some mulberry flies (I know its not a bug but same idea).  Looking for other ideas of flies that will actually catch a fish and not just look cool in a fly box.

 

Let me hear your thoughts,

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[Greg Feder]

Aaron --

 

I tie and fish hoppers ALOT. 

 

Ben at AZWanderings.com has a good tutorial for an easy version of the Hopper Juan:  http://azwanderings.com/the-easy-hopper-juan-my-variation-and-tutorial/.  I tie it in sz 6 or 8.  He also has a mini (sz 12-14 or even smaller) hopper that's quick, easy, and effective: http://azwanderings.com/mini-hopper-tutorial/. I don't think the top color on these matters, so pick something visible.  They not only will catch fish up top, but are good indicators for a dropper. 

 

I also tie the pink pookie, which is similar to the Hopper Juan:  http://hopperfishing.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/how-to-tie-the-pink-pookie-hopper/. 

 

I get my foam at Michael's. 

 

Cheers,

 

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You can't go wrong with the classic Jassid. Some others would be moths, mice, salmon maggot, and for around here the stinkbugs 

I've always wanted to throw. Baby swallow under a bridge in Colorado. 

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On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Aaron O <aa...@jorgeinc.com> wrote:

With the cold weather keeping me inside recently, I have been tying alot for the coming spring/summer and this got me thinking.  I'm curious of anyone ever ties and/or fishes non-common flies (grasshoppers, beetles, ants, nymphs, etc...) and if you had any success with them in the VA/DC/MD area.  I know we occasionally get cicada in the spring and I have hear about fly patterns but don't know anyone that uses them.  I remember seeing water boatmen/ northern backswimmers as a kid but that was in NY.  I have been tying some hairy catapillars recently and last year I tied some mulberry flies (I know its not a bug but same idea).  Looking for other ideas of flies that will actually catch a fish and not just look cool in a fly box.

 

Let me hear your thoughts,

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[Aaron O]

Hey Rob,

 

       I don't know anything about the Jassid bug but I will check it out.    I do have 1 mouse fly that I bought and will try tying a deer hair mouse soon. Can I tie one using buck tail instead of the deer hide?  I imagine the bucktail would be longer and more flexable but I would be curious to try.  The stink bug is a good idea.  I have been seeing them everywhere this year (mainly in my house). 

 

       I will check out the moth and salmon maggot flies online .  Tried finding your youtube video on the foam bug fly but I was unable to find it.  Can you let me know where to find it.

 

 

       Still confused about the baby swallow comment.  Are you saying that you wanted to make a baby swallow fly?

 

 

[Rob Snowhite]

Those baby birds have to fall out of the nests and I'm sure big trout ear them. I don't tie with deer hair, there probably are not enough air pockets in buck tail to make it float like body hair. I'll look or the foam depot link.

Another good book source fornpatterns is Harrison Steve's terrestrials. He has lightening bugs in there. 

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[Matthew Longley]

I'm going to be tying a bunch of these soon to target bass and snakeheads in the spring:

http://hatchesmagazine.com/blogs/Hatches/2010/01/13/the-dirty-rat-by-jackie-treehorn/

If you are spinning the deer hair, always use body hair.  The tail hair is too thin, and you really want the stiff and hollow qualities of the body hair to float the fly and move more water.

On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:13:03 AM UTC-5, Rob Snowhite wrote:

Those baby birds have to fall out of the nests and I'm sure big trout ear them. I don't tie with deer hair, there probably are not enough air pockets in buck tail to make it float like body hair. I'll look or the foam depot link.

Another good book source fornpatterns is Harrison Steve's terrestrials. He has lightening bugs in there. 

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On Dec 12, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Aaron O <aa...@jorgeinc.com> wrote:

Hey Rob,

 

       I don't know anything about the Jassid bug but I will check it out.    I do have 1 mouse fly that I bought and will try tying a deer hair mouse soon. Can I tie one using buck tail instead of the deer hide?  I imagine the bucktail would be longer and more flexable but I would be curious to try.  The stink bug is a good idea.  I have been seeing them everywhere this year (mainly in my house). 

 

       I will check out the moth and salmon maggot flies online .  Tried finding your youtube video on the foam bug fly but I was unable to find it.  Can you let me know where to find it.

 

 

       Still confused about the baby swallow comment.  Are you saying that you wanted to make a baby swallow fly?

 

 

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[Aaron O]

All a bunch of great patterns and ideas.  I will be giving them a try real soon.

 

Thanks all.

 

 

[TurbineBlade]

I like that hopper pattern quite a bit -- I'll probably give it a try since I have those materials.  It's very pleasing to look at.   

Do you guys generally feel that materials placed on TOP of the flies aid the "palatability" of the fly, or is it just a "whatever's on the bottom is what they see" kind of thing?  I always wonder about that to try to make a call on how much effort I should be putting into  the stuff that I see versus what the fish will see.  Obviously I wouldn't want to take too much time using lots of deer hair if I'm the only one who will see it ;). 

I didn't know what is considered a normal "fish eye view" for surface bugs like a hopper.   

Thanks -- 

[TurbineBlade]

Typical soft hackle, wet fly, or North country pattern ;).  This is "partridge and orange" -- though the ones I have were tied with the hackle tapering more "backwards" toward the hook bend versus this more upright one.  You can even make them taper outward like the tenkara guys.  

I could probably fish nothing but these simple patterns and still die happy ;).  Well, if I had a bag of tootsie rolls to go with....can't forget what matters in life.  

Gene

[Lane Smith]

I'm not sure why they work or what the fish think they are, but my
confidence fly this Fall has been a bitch creek nymph in sizes 8-12.
At first I thought it was the white legs, but having tried other
patterns with white legs without as much success leaves me
questioning. Perhaps my success with them won't continue in warmer
weather but that's my suggestion. Just wish I could figure out why
they work so well. I've been more or less using the czech nymphing
technique on 4mile run near route 1 and catching huge bluegill,
smallies, catfish, and my first carp :)

On Dec 12, 1:42 pm, TurbineBlade <doublebc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Typical soft hackle, wet fly, or North country pattern ;).  This is
> "partridge and orange" -- though the ones I have were tied with the hackle
> tapering more "backwards" toward the hook bend versus this more upright
> one.  You can even make them taper outward like the tenkara guys.
>
> I could probably fish nothing but these simple patterns and still die happy
> ;).  Well, if I had a bag of tootsie rolls to go with....can't forget what
> matters in life.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 1:26:03 PM UTC-5, TurbineBlade wrote:
>
> > I like that hopper pattern quite a bit -- I'll probably give it a try
> > since I have those materials.  It's very pleasing to look at.
>

> > Do you guys generally feel that materials placed on *TOP* of the flies

> > aid the "palatability" of the fly, or is it just a "whatever's on the
> > bottom is what they see" kind of thing?  I always wonder about that to try
> > to make a call on how much effort I should be putting into  the stuff that

> > *I* see versus what the *fish* will see.  Obviously I wouldn't want to