Air Brush system

[Terry C]

Thinking about a buying a Copic air brush system for myself as a Christmas gift.  Besides painting bass poppers I  find that I am needing different color feathers, deer hair, rabbit, etc.   I am thinking this air brush system could solve the color choices on a variety of different materials.   I"ve been watching the U Tube videos on it and it looks interesting.  Anyone out there have any experience with it. Thanks

[Scott Stankus]

I got one in September. Played with it initially a bit and was really pleased with the results. As I read, some of the markers worked really well and others didn't work at all. A light pull on he tip of the marker, though, and I was able to get all the markers to work really well. I haven't used it much, but plan on using it a lot over the winter to stock up on poppers. I think with some practice, the system can produce very nice results. These are the markers that I've used with it:

http://www.amazon.com/Copic-Markers-12-Piece-Sketch-Basic/dp/B000MRR3GU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1355167404&sr=8-2&keywords=copic+sketch

I hope that helps!

--Scott

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Thinking about a buying a Copic air brush system for myself as a Christmas gift.  Besides painting bass poppers I  find that I am needing different color feathers, deer hair, rabbit, etc.   I am thinking this air brush system could solve the color choices on a variety of different materials.   I"ve been watching the U Tube videos on it and it looks interesting.  Anyone out there have any experience with it. Thanks

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[Miles]

There's an article in the current Federation of Fly Fishers magazine about the Copics, and it looks like an interesting tool. Is the consistency more like an ink,or a paint? Does it soak into feathers like dye?

 

I have an old Testors airbrush (for model airplanes) that I use with water-based acrylics to paint poppers. It works pretty well, but the paint would not work on feathers or other materials -- it would stiffen them up. If the Copic can be used to custom-dye maribou and saddle hack while preserving the action of the feather, that would be pretty helpful. 

 

Miles

[Scott Stankus]

I've only ever tried it on foam popper bodies, but I'd say it's more like an ink than a paint. I'm not sure if it would provide enough coverage on something like marabou or hackle, but I'd be interesting to try. I'll bring it tonight and we can find out. 

--Scott

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Can we use it to tag "TPFR" under bridges ?

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[Jeffrey Silvan]

I don't have any insight into this particular model or using them for poppers, but I used to use airbrush systems to paint scale model cars. I don't know what types of paint you would use for poppers. I'd imagine it would be an enamel very similar to the common type of paint you use for model cars, boats, planes, etc. I'm not sure how durable that would be for a fishing application, but the color selection would be great. I don't know how this would work on feathers - It seems it would chip off extremely easy.

A few things to consider:

- Dual action lets you get better results, particularly if you're doing multiple colors on one bug, but is harder to use than single action

- Top/gravity fed airbrushes tend to be easier to use and better for metallics (metallic particles settle to the bottom) compared to siphon fed, but siphon fed makes it much easier to quickly change colors

- Air compressor versus canned air: canned air is easy and cheaper, but extremely difficult to use. The pressure changes significantly (meaning inconsistent flow) as the can empties, but also as you use it. The can heats during use, so you'll need to cool it in cold water while you're using it. Air compressors are better, but more expensive.

- Check out the aerosol spray cans made by Testors and Tamiya - you'll be slightly more limited to color choice, but it is still extensive. They may be better suited solely for the simplicity factor. It'll be very tough to do any two-color applications with these, however.

[Scott Stankus]

I dunno, I think the members of GW crew might take issue with that... 

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[Terry C]

Looking at the U tube videos, it looks like it can be used it on feathers, etc,   It uses a  permenant marker with an air jet hitting the tip.  I hand color with Sharpies, on feathers, congo hair , and poppers now. 

[Matthew Longley]

Terry, apologies if this is a hijack, but what do you use to create your poppers?  Do you get the pre-fab kits, or do you carve them out yourself?  Looking to make a few handmades this winter.

[Scott Stankus]

Matt - will you be at the Beer Tie tonight? I've got a cutter and some shaping tools from here that work pretty well:

http://www.jvlnet.com/~swinters/

It's fun work, but I've found that the pre-made bodies come out a lot better - smoother finish, etc. I imagine they're just made with a denser foam. 

I won't be bringing a Dremel to demo them, but I can show you the tools, if you'd like. 

--Scott

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[Matthew Longley]

Hi Scott,

Stuck at work, but will probably make the latter half of the tie. I'll look out for you.

[Terry C]

I start with the pr- formed popper bodies,  and have been adding color by hand with permenant markers.  They come out pretty good, but always looking for new and better ideas.

[Matthew Longley]

I'm usually pretty old school, so I've been thinking about trying to carve them out of wood or maybe wine corks.  Certainly not the easiest way, but would be interested to see how it comes together.

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[Scott Stankus]

I'll be in a green fleece vest. 

--Scott

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[Terry C]

Ok,  I just bought a copic marker air brush system.  It should arrive in a few days.  I plan on using it over the holidays.  If all goes well and the poppers come out like I hope they would I'll bring it to a beer tie for others to check out.

 

On Monday, December 10, 2012 2:20:04 PM UTC-5, Terry C wrote:

[Michael Smith]

Pix that it did happen.

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[Michael Smith]

Copic airbrush system is cool.  It makes completely awesome poppers.  You will need good epoxy to cover it.  I used 5-minute epoxy and could only do a couple poppers before it started to get lumpy.  30-minute or 60-minute clear epoxy are what you need.  They don't make much of a mess.  You can use the markers directly on the poppers.

I used Wapsi popper bodies and they worked great.

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[namfos]

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