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I don't know if I can be counted into this special team, depends on what kind of difficult bugs are discussed here.
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> Od: "Blake Winton" <bwi...@mozilla.com>
> Komu: <tb-pl...@mozilla.org>
> Dátum: 11.07.2012 17:27
> Predmet: Re: Papercuts remixed (was Re: What's the status of papercuts?)
(Although, having just said that, I wonder if it would be more useful to the project for me to spend my time mentoring 5 people who want to fix papercut bugs, instead� Thoughts?)
Later,
Blake.
probably yes. papercuts is new to me, but maybe you can find something that is appropriate for my skillset? with some mantoring prvided, you cn count me in as well :)
(Although, having just said that, I wonder if it would be more useful to the project for me to spend my time mentoring 5 people who want to fix papercut bugs, instead� Thoughts?)That is absolutely the right way to approach the problem, IMHO: give a man a fish, he can have lunch. Show him how to fish, he can feed his family... (or something along those lines..)
We can use all the help we can get, and you've already proven yourself
to be an incredible contributor. I think you'd be a perfect fit.
-Mike
-- Laurent BAUVENS Citation du jour : > Loi Zéro : Un robot ne peut nuire à l'humanité ni, restant passif, > permettre que l'humanité souffre d'un mal. - Isaac Asimov
AFAIK, in term of number of users, Thunderbird has about 20 million users and some Mozilla sources say only 7 or 8 millions are individual users. So I guess the 12 other millions represent the professional users.
On 12/07/2012 18:07, BAUVENS Laurent wrote:
AFAIK, in term of number of users, Thunderbird has about 20 million users and some Mozilla sources say only 7 or 8 millions are individual users. So I guess the 12 other millions represent the professional users.Possibly professional, but not necessarily. There's some factoring that gets applied to the metrics, I don't know what the exact details are, but I know that some people we don't see so much (e.g. not everyone logs on every day), and some people choose not to do the update checks (or redirect to their own update system).
If it is anything to go by, my main extension's Daily user base drops by around 60% (from 25,000 to 15,000) every weekend, which (assuming figures are correct) to me definitely suggests a large corporate / professional user base.On 12/07/2012 18:07, BAUVENS Laurent wrote:
AFAIK, in term of number of users, Thunderbird has about 20 million users and some Mozilla sources say only 7 or 8 millions are individual users. So I guess the 12 other millions represent the professional users.Possibly professional, but not necessarily. There's some factoring that gets applied to the metrics, I don't know what the exact details are, but I know that some people we don't see so much (e.g. not everyone logs on every day), and some people choose not to do the update checks (or redirect to their own update system).
On 11-07-12 11:33 , Joshua Cranmer wrote:
On 7/11/2012 11:20 AM, Wayne Mery wrote:Would http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ be a useful example, too?
Quoting Joshua Cranmer <pidg...@gmail.com>:<http://mozilla.github.com/devtools/status/index.html#news> is the foremost example in my mind. There's also <http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/>, but that's solving a moderately different issue.
On 7/11/2012 10:27 AM, Ludovic Hirlimann wrote:examples, references would be welcomed
On 7/11/12 11:18 AM, Vincent wrote:I have personally found bugzilla lacking in terms of being able to large-scale bug management. Note that the various Firefox teams have all built their own tools that pull data from Bugzilla but don't use it directly.
Maybe we can create a meta bug on bugzilla and ask for everyone to add its bug to it. Then some "dictator" review it and remove all the bugs that don't seems to be relevant.That's be confusing, I'm a bit against it. It generates a lot of bug mail :(
One idea someone had for papercuts was a screenshot of Thunderbird where you could hover over various parts and get the last of papercuts in various issues.Something like http://areweprettyyet.com/thunderbird/1/index.htm# ? ;)
My first impulse was to toss those out of the "papercut" list as too complex, but as I think about it maybe what we should do is to tie these high-vote bugs to specific backend rework projects that we have talked about doing. (and actually "filter for attachments" is really an enhancement and not a failure to meet design specifications ("true bug"). I really think we need to focus on "true bugs" first).I like that idea - true bugs first and enhancement laters.
How do you deal with bugs that *need* a redesign in that case (/me looks at the AB) ?
How Many bugs should we extract from bugzilla to work on ?
How do we deal with perf in the long term (ie thinking something along the line of snappy) ?
2) What will be the format and structure of the future Thunderbird community?
I hope to begin posting some possibilities for this in the near future, and I hope we continue to hear more official work from Mozilla and current Thunderbird staff about their thoughts on this.