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RonO
Mar 31, 2019, 12:00:03 PM3/31/19
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Nov. 2017 the ID perps at the Discovery Institute finally gave the IDiot
rubes their "best" evidence for IDiocy. When you read the junk it is
obvious that the ID perps take pains not to call this junk scientific
evidence. It is just the "best" evidence for IDiocy. These are bits of
scientific knowledge, but it is obvious that the ID perps did not want
to call this scientific evidence for IDiocy. It turned out to be the
same junk that had failed the scientific creationist over 30 years ago.
IC was the only thing that an ID perp had come up with and it was
basically just "the flagellum is too complex to evolve" scientific
creationist denial argument that had never amounted to anything.
Links:
1.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-the-universe/
2.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-fine-tuning-of-the-universe/
3.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-information-in-dna/
4.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-irreducibly-complex-molecular-machines/
5.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-animals/
6.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-humans/
To this day most of the IDiots posting to TO have run in denial from the
"best" and can't bring themselves to comment on them. Pagano was the
only IDiot to directly comment on the "best" and he claimed that the
"best" was bogus and was not the best, but he couldn't come up with
anything better. After the "best" was presented Bill claimed that he
had never supported the ID scam. This is the same Bill that years ago
claimed that he knew some real ID scientists that had the real ID
science. Bill just never put up any names or what their science was.
Bill posts under a different account at this time, but it seems to be
the same Bill. Dean putzed around the issue by claiming that he didn't
know why some of the "best" had never amounted to anything. When he
found out he ran. So, the "best" of IDiocy had a pretty sad reception
on TO. I have tried to see if any other IDiots have been able to
acknowledge the "best" that they have ever had, and no where on the web
has there been any comments about the "best" that I can find. The
"best" was never retracted by the ID perps in spite of such an
underwhelming reception by the IDiot rubes.
It is obvious that the IDiot/creationists do not want to deal with the
"best" that they have always had. This seems strange because there is
no doubt that they have been fed this junk over and over in the past two
decades. All of the "best" existed before the ID scam unit of the
Discovery Institute started in 1995. It is what they have been fed
since the bait and switch started to go down on any IDiot too stupid to
understand what the reality was back in 2002. The bait and switch went
down on the Utah IDiots in Nov 2017 as the ID perps were putting up this
"best" list. The Utah IDiots wanted to teach the science of ID in their
public schools, but the ID perps told them not to do it and gave them
the IDiot switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever existed instead.
Recently the ID perps were complaining that the Utah IDiots did not
bend over for the switch scam, but dropped the issue. Sad but true.
Why would anyone expect an IDiot to take the switch scam from the same
guys that have lied to them about the science of ID?
What is even sadder is that the majority of IDiots should never want to
teach ID after getting the "best" that there is to teach. The majority
of IDiot supporters of the creationist ID scam have always been YEC
(young earth creationists). This has been in spite of the fact that
most of the ID perps at the Discovery Institute are old earth Biblical
creationists. The ID perps have always tried to support what they call
the "big tent" strategy where everyone with a beef about science can
participate. The "best" of IDiocy should tell anyone that the "big
tent" strategy was bogus. The YEC would never want to teach this junk
to their kids. The YEC removed the big bang and as much as they could
about the age of the earth from the science standards in Kansas when
they had the power to do so, and they tried and failed to do the same
thing in states like Texas and Oklahoma. About the last thing that they
want their kids to understand are the big bang and the fine tuning
creationist denial arguments. Why would YEC want their kids to know
that over half a billion years ago their designer was responsible for
the diversity of life that evolved during the Cambrian explosion? If
you aren't going to teach the "best" of IDiocy, why teach anything at
all about it? It is just a fact that the six best were used by the
scientific creationists, but only as obfuscation junk. It was just junk
arguments meant to fool the rubes long enough to get to the next useless
denial argument. The creationist rubes were never meant to understand
the arguments nor integrate them into their alternative. They were just
the fluff brought out to fool the rubes for a bit. That is all the ID
perps have used them for to this day. None of the ID perps have tried
to integrate these six "best" into a viable creationist alternative.
So there is no doubt as to why YEC IDiots are running from the "best" of
IDiocy, but IDiots like Glenn, Kalk, and likely Bill are probably old
earth creationists. Glenn and Kalk will still go back to the ID perps
for second rate junk, but neither one can face the "best" that the ID
perps have to give them. Until the IDiots stop running and explain what
is so bad about the "best" I can only speculate, but my guess is that
they can't deal with the "best" because it goes against their varied
religious beliefs. Kalk is a Hindu creationist and Glenn is likely a
Biblical OEC. The "best" of IDiocy should tell any half way competent
individual that the universe has a history, and that life on earth has
evolved over billions of years. The history that these six "best"
represents is not the history that a lot of OEC IDiots want to believe.
As sad as that sounds, reality may be worse, but no one will know
because the IDiots are likely never going to stop running from the
"best" that they have always had.
https://creationtoday.org/the-doctrine-of-creation-denominations-skew-the-truth/
This link is to a creationist web site where they are complaining that
multiple Christian denominations are changing their views on creation.
It isn't the best written article, but you can use Google to search for
more information to get a better idea of what they are talking about.
Google "Assemblies of God Creationism" and you will get multiple
articles on how their biblical views are changing, and that the change
is not being universally accepted. Several of the examples have started
to change after the failure of IDiocy in the federal courts. Most of
the changes occurred after the failure of scientific creationism. The
JW are not listed, but via Eddie we learned that they have gone from YEC
to OEC. The earth is no longer less than 50,000 years old for the JW.
It now can be billions of years old. That happened sometime after the
failure of scientific creationism because the JW were among the
staunchest supporters of scientific creationism until the 1980's. Their
blue book with all the YEC scientific creationist arguments in it was
published in 1985. They weren't 7 day YEC, but each day was 7,000 years
long and we were currently living the 7th day, but that has changed.
Each day can be billions of years long and the sun and moon were not
created on the 4th day like the Bible claims, but instead the sun and
moon were created around the time that the earth was created.
This just means that the people responsible for keeping these Christian
denominations on track have been influenced by the utter failure of
scientific creationism and IDiocy. It turns out that the junk that the
ID perps and the scientific creationists peddled seem to have the
opposite effects of what the scam artists intended.
So IDiots have had nearly a year and a half to deal with the "best" of
IDiocy bestowed upon them by the ID perps. The ID perps have been
feeding the IDiots this junk for over two decades. Before IDiots go
back to the same ID perps for second rate junk, shouldn't they all deal
with the "best" that they are stuck with? The "best" hasn't changed in
decades, and is the same junk that creationists used to get from the
scientific creationists that ran the creationist political ploy before
the ID perps. When will it be time to deal with the facts of life?
The six "best" tells Idiots that the big bang happened over 13 billion
years ago. The fine tuning would have occurred before or during the big
bang and a second round of fine tuning might have occurred when our
solar system was forming out of dead star dust generated by generations
of stars that had died since the big bang until around 5 billion years
ago. Life has existed and changed on this planet for billions of years.
Behe agrees that biological evolution is a fact of nature and his last
IC event was around a half billion years ago, and that it has all been
biological evolution since than, as far as Behe can tell. We have
descended from an ape like ancestor in the last 8 million years or so
with no IC events detected during that time period. It is obvious that
the ID perps could build an IDiot alternative, it is just not an
alternative that few IDiot wants to believe.
Ron Okimoto
rubes their "best" evidence for IDiocy. When you read the junk it is
obvious that the ID perps take pains not to call this junk scientific
evidence. It is just the "best" evidence for IDiocy. These are bits of
scientific knowledge, but it is obvious that the ID perps did not want
to call this scientific evidence for IDiocy. It turned out to be the
same junk that had failed the scientific creationist over 30 years ago.
IC was the only thing that an ID perp had come up with and it was
basically just "the flagellum is too complex to evolve" scientific
creationist denial argument that had never amounted to anything.
Links:
1.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-the-universe/
2.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-fine-tuning-of-the-universe/
3.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-information-in-dna/
4.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-irreducibly-complex-molecular-machines/
5.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-animals/
6.
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/ids-top-six-the-origin-of-humans/
To this day most of the IDiots posting to TO have run in denial from the
"best" and can't bring themselves to comment on them. Pagano was the
only IDiot to directly comment on the "best" and he claimed that the
"best" was bogus and was not the best, but he couldn't come up with
anything better. After the "best" was presented Bill claimed that he
had never supported the ID scam. This is the same Bill that years ago
claimed that he knew some real ID scientists that had the real ID
science. Bill just never put up any names or what their science was.
Bill posts under a different account at this time, but it seems to be
the same Bill. Dean putzed around the issue by claiming that he didn't
know why some of the "best" had never amounted to anything. When he
found out he ran. So, the "best" of IDiocy had a pretty sad reception
on TO. I have tried to see if any other IDiots have been able to
acknowledge the "best" that they have ever had, and no where on the web
has there been any comments about the "best" that I can find. The
"best" was never retracted by the ID perps in spite of such an
underwhelming reception by the IDiot rubes.
It is obvious that the IDiot/creationists do not want to deal with the
"best" that they have always had. This seems strange because there is
no doubt that they have been fed this junk over and over in the past two
decades. All of the "best" existed before the ID scam unit of the
Discovery Institute started in 1995. It is what they have been fed
since the bait and switch started to go down on any IDiot too stupid to
understand what the reality was back in 2002. The bait and switch went
down on the Utah IDiots in Nov 2017 as the ID perps were putting up this
"best" list. The Utah IDiots wanted to teach the science of ID in their
public schools, but the ID perps told them not to do it and gave them
the IDiot switch scam that doesn't mention that ID ever existed instead.
Recently the ID perps were complaining that the Utah IDiots did not
bend over for the switch scam, but dropped the issue. Sad but true.
Why would anyone expect an IDiot to take the switch scam from the same
guys that have lied to them about the science of ID?
What is even sadder is that the majority of IDiots should never want to
teach ID after getting the "best" that there is to teach. The majority
of IDiot supporters of the creationist ID scam have always been YEC
(young earth creationists). This has been in spite of the fact that
most of the ID perps at the Discovery Institute are old earth Biblical
creationists. The ID perps have always tried to support what they call
the "big tent" strategy where everyone with a beef about science can
participate. The "best" of IDiocy should tell anyone that the "big
tent" strategy was bogus. The YEC would never want to teach this junk
to their kids. The YEC removed the big bang and as much as they could
about the age of the earth from the science standards in Kansas when
they had the power to do so, and they tried and failed to do the same
thing in states like Texas and Oklahoma. About the last thing that they
want their kids to understand are the big bang and the fine tuning
creationist denial arguments. Why would YEC want their kids to know
that over half a billion years ago their designer was responsible for
the diversity of life that evolved during the Cambrian explosion? If
you aren't going to teach the "best" of IDiocy, why teach anything at
all about it? It is just a fact that the six best were used by the
scientific creationists, but only as obfuscation junk. It was just junk
arguments meant to fool the rubes long enough to get to the next useless
denial argument. The creationist rubes were never meant to understand
the arguments nor integrate them into their alternative. They were just
the fluff brought out to fool the rubes for a bit. That is all the ID
perps have used them for to this day. None of the ID perps have tried
to integrate these six "best" into a viable creationist alternative.
So there is no doubt as to why YEC IDiots are running from the "best" of
IDiocy, but IDiots like Glenn, Kalk, and likely Bill are probably old
earth creationists. Glenn and Kalk will still go back to the ID perps
for second rate junk, but neither one can face the "best" that the ID
perps have to give them. Until the IDiots stop running and explain what
is so bad about the "best" I can only speculate, but my guess is that
they can't deal with the "best" because it goes against their varied
religious beliefs. Kalk is a Hindu creationist and Glenn is likely a
Biblical OEC. The "best" of IDiocy should tell any half way competent
individual that the universe has a history, and that life on earth has
evolved over billions of years. The history that these six "best"
represents is not the history that a lot of OEC IDiots want to believe.
As sad as that sounds, reality may be worse, but no one will know
because the IDiots are likely never going to stop running from the
"best" that they have always had.
https://creationtoday.org/the-doctrine-of-creation-denominations-skew-the-truth/
This link is to a creationist web site where they are complaining that
multiple Christian denominations are changing their views on creation.
It isn't the best written article, but you can use Google to search for
more information to get a better idea of what they are talking about.
Google "Assemblies of God Creationism" and you will get multiple
articles on how their biblical views are changing, and that the change
is not being universally accepted. Several of the examples have started
to change after the failure of IDiocy in the federal courts. Most of
the changes occurred after the failure of scientific creationism. The
JW are not listed, but via Eddie we learned that they have gone from YEC
to OEC. The earth is no longer less than 50,000 years old for the JW.
It now can be billions of years old. That happened sometime after the
failure of scientific creationism because the JW were among the
staunchest supporters of scientific creationism until the 1980's. Their
blue book with all the YEC scientific creationist arguments in it was
published in 1985. They weren't 7 day YEC, but each day was 7,000 years
long and we were currently living the 7th day, but that has changed.
Each day can be billions of years long and the sun and moon were not
created on the 4th day like the Bible claims, but instead the sun and
moon were created around the time that the earth was created.
This just means that the people responsible for keeping these Christian
denominations on track have been influenced by the utter failure of
scientific creationism and IDiocy. It turns out that the junk that the
ID perps and the scientific creationists peddled seem to have the
opposite effects of what the scam artists intended.
So IDiots have had nearly a year and a half to deal with the "best" of
IDiocy bestowed upon them by the ID perps. The ID perps have been
feeding the IDiots this junk for over two decades. Before IDiots go
back to the same ID perps for second rate junk, shouldn't they all deal
with the "best" that they are stuck with? The "best" hasn't changed in
decades, and is the same junk that creationists used to get from the
scientific creationists that ran the creationist political ploy before
the ID perps. When will it be time to deal with the facts of life?
The six "best" tells Idiots that the big bang happened over 13 billion
years ago. The fine tuning would have occurred before or during the big
bang and a second round of fine tuning might have occurred when our
solar system was forming out of dead star dust generated by generations
of stars that had died since the big bang until around 5 billion years
ago. Life has existed and changed on this planet for billions of years.
Behe agrees that biological evolution is a fact of nature and his last
IC event was around a half billion years ago, and that it has all been
biological evolution since than, as far as Behe can tell. We have
descended from an ape like ancestor in the last 8 million years or so
with no IC events detected during that time period. It is obvious that
the ID perps could build an IDiot alternative, it is just not an
alternative that few IDiot wants to believe.
Ron Okimoto
jillery
Mar 31, 2019, 2:15:03 PM3/31/19
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conflates criticizing naturalism/evolution with supporting ID.
--
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Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Attributed to Voltaire
RonO
Mar 31, 2019, 3:25:03 PM3/31/19
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perps finally tell the IDiot rubes the best that they have and no IDiots
want to deal with that reality? Kalk and Glenn just run in denial.
Glenn will even lie about running in denial as he is running in denial.
What is so bad about the "best" of IDiocy that no IDiots are willing to
discuss it? For nearly all Idiots it is as if the ID perps never gave
them the "best". You don't see it discussed at the Discovery Institute,
and no where on the web has discussed the "best" that I know of except
here where all the IDiots except for Pags ran in denial and haven't come
to grips with what the "best" that they have always had is and always
likely will be. Glenn and Kalk routinely go back to the ID perps for
second rate junk that did not make the "best" list, so what is their
excuse for running from the "best"? MarkE admitted that ID was a scam,
but he would still go back to the ID perps for their second rate junk.
How does that work?
Ron Okimoto
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