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mc...@sunset.net

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Oct 31, 2006, 3:44:46 PM10/31/06
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Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
So then, there were millions of textbooks made.

JM

Peter Barber

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Oct 31, 2006, 3:56:29 PM10/31/06
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Check this out. Some guy actually finds the Luminiferous Aether in an
old Physics textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since


this is a very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since
that time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from

1852. So then, there were millions of textbooks made.

chris.li...@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2006, 3:57:41 PM10/31/06
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Is it really possible that a person could go through life as clueless
as you?

Did you bother to read past the part where PZMrs says there were texts
with Piltdown in them? Or did you just start capering about your little
padded room, making those sounds that get the orderlies all upset with
you?

Here's the good part:

"Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a process
for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower than we'd
like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a mechanism, and what
they'd really like to do is subvert a successful scientific process."

As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
it, so I won't bother with you again.

Chris

mc...@sunset.net

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:03:06 PM10/31/06
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Check this out. Say that from 1915 to 1952 Piltdown Man was included
in some zoology textbooks, some history textbooks and some other
science textbooks. That means that if only 2000 textbooks were produced
a year in the ENTIRE WORLD, per year, what would the math be? But 2000
is a super low figure. Sorry. But there were millions of textbooks
produced.

JM

mc...@sunset.net

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:07:01 PM10/31/06
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1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.

2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
"understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
irrelevant point.

3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
available.

4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

JM


> Chris

JTEM

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:14:40 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:

> Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown
> Man in an old Zoology textbook. A field that I hadn't
> even considered. And since this is a very old
> textbook consider the textbooks that have come
> since that time. And I said that I found a text from
> the 40's and one from 1952. So then, there were
> millions of textbooks made.

Check this out. Bloodletting has been documented and
taught for thousands of years, and found in medical
textbooks as recently as 1942. Obviosuly, going by
creationist/intelligent design standards, you must
completely reject medical science, and turn your back
on all modern treatments and drugs.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/redgold/basics/bloodlettinghistory.html

That is, unless creationists/intelligent design advocates
are immoral bastards who don't believe a word that they
say, and are intentionally trying to deceive people...

Dave

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:16:52 PM10/31/06
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Millions of copies of fiction books are published each year, that does
not make them the truth. The point of scientific writing is to
communicate ideas. Sometimes scientists get into an idea that turns out
to be false. But the idea is eventually scrapped or modified (assuming
the system of peer review and debate does its job and doesnt get bogged
down by dogmatics). The point is that science is constantly revising
and updating its ideas. It is a dynamic field, not one stuck in the
14th century like some...

On Oct 31, 4:03 pm, m...@sunset.net wrote:
> Peter Barber wrote:
> > m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > >http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>
> > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>
> > > JM
>
> > Check this out. Some guy actually finds the Luminiferous Aether in an
> > old Physics textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since
> > this is a very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since
> > that time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from

> > 1852. So then, there were millions of textbooks made.Check this out. Say that from 1915 to 1952 Piltdown Man was included


> in some zoology textbooks, some history textbooks and some other
> science textbooks. That means that if only 2000 textbooks were produced
> a year in the ENTIRE WORLD, per year, what would the math be? But 2000
> is a super low figure. Sorry. But there were millions of textbooks
> produced.
>

> JM- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Dave

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:19:38 PM10/31/06
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You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
called peer review.

On Oct 31, 4:07 pm, m...@sunset.net wrote:
> chris.linthomp...@gmail.com wrote:

> > it, so I won't bother with you again.1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't


> millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
>
> 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> irrelevant point.
>
> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.
>
> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
>
> JM
>
>
>

> > Chris- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Dana Tweedy

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:21:49 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
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> http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>
>
> Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> textbook.

Yes, and actually provided a citation for it..... imagine that. Where are
your citations?

> A field that I hadn't even considered.

Why you wouldn't consider zoology is anyone's guess.


> And since this is a
> very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.

Yes, you "said" but you have not supported that claim.

> So then, there were millions of textbooks made.

No, at most a few hundred thousand. But you still haven't supported YOUR
claim.

DJT


Lee Jay

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:23:07 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.

Very few scientists were fooled, and scientists discovered the hoax.
The fact that you can be fooled about everything doesn't imply everyone
else is a gullible or stupid.

> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

Sure. Everything everyone says should be challenged. In nearly all
cases, scientists can back up their claims with hard evidence that can
be verified by other scientists (and often is). But you should
challenge them to cough up the data. On the other hand, in essentially
all cases your claims don't even need to be challenged because they are
ridiculous on their face.

Lee Jay

JTEM

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:28:34 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:

> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies
> were fooled. If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown
> Man,

If you want to get technical here, science wasn't fooled.
There was never a time when Piltdown Man wasn't
challenged.

If anything, Piltdown Man is a example yielding to
authority, rather than facts. Position and social
ranking carried too much weight. If the right person or
right institution said something, it was accepted.

Let's get real here. It's not like scientist all over the world
examined the Piltdown remains and were fooled. All but
a tiny fraction had only reports to go by. Even that much
was enough to convince a great many people AT THAT
TIME that something wasn't right.

If anything, the parallels to the Piltdown Man case could
today be found in political & religious based
creationsim/intelligent design groups, and not science.

mc...@sunset.net

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:32:57 PM10/31/06
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Dave wrote:
> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> called peer review.

Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
by not allowing the review process to take place.

That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
creationists.

JM

mc...@sunset.net

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:35:28 PM10/31/06
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Go to e-bay. You'll find other editions of that text. All I can say is
that arguing this point, for you, is much like you trying to pound a
hole through a foot thick concrete sidewalk with your bare hands.

JM
>
>
>
> DJT

Dana Tweedy

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:41:15 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:mccoy-116232882...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
snip

>> As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
>> it, so I won't bother with you again.
>
> 1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
> millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.

There aren't. Thousands of copies at most.

>
> 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> irrelevant point.

No, it's quite relevant, especally considering your next comment.


>
> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.

Yes, by a clever hoax.

> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.

Since there is a great deal of evidence of evolution, "scant" evidence is
not an issue. Scientists accept evolution due to the overwheming amount of
evidence, not due to "scant" evidence.

>
> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

Yes, and unlike you, scientists have evidence to back up their statements.

DJT


Richard Forrest

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:41:35 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.

Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
A few instances will suffice.
RF

Dana Tweedy

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:52:43 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dave wrote:
>> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.

Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
the Creationist Chicken....


>
> That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> creationists.

Creationists don't submit to peer review, so they are "censoring"
themselves.

DJT


Dana Tweedy

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:54:31 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:mccoy-116233052...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
snip

>> No, at most a few hundred thousand. But you still haven't supported
>> YOUR
>> claim.
>
> Go to e-bay. You'll find other editions of that text.

So, why don't you go there and find some citations?

> All I can say is
> that arguing this point, for you, is much like you trying to pound a
> hole through a foot thick concrete sidewalk with your bare hands.

Again, please don't project your own insanity on me...

DJT


Kermit

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:54:04 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.
>

Name three items submitted for publication. Do you have a link to the
abstracts for the papers?

> That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> creationists.
>

There is no pile of papers in the back room waiting to be published.
There are no papers. Behe admitted under oath in the Dover trial that
no research has been done. The Templeton Foundation offered to fund a
study, but there were no takers.

There are no ID predictions made; there is no theory to make them.
Therefore, nothing to research. The esrtwhile researchers knew this,
which is why the money was turned down.

> JM

<snip>
Kermit

Shane

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Oct 31, 2006, 4:57:15 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 13:19:38 -0800, Dave wrote:

A top post.

Dave, please consider adding your comments at the bottom of the page
as is the preferred way for this newsgroup.

Shane

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Oct 31, 2006, 5:00:57 PM10/31/06
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Well that is a conclusion not based on evidence. So far, in spite of
your claims, we are able to verify that only one textbook contained a
reference to Piltdown Man. As it is unlikely that that particular text
book had a print run numbering over two million, your conclusion is
unwarranted.

Ernest Major

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Oct 31, 2006, 5:00:24 PM10/31/06
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In message
<mccoy-116232882...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
mc...@sunset.net writes

It seems to me that the contention was made that you should provide
evidence to support your claim that millions of texts were produced
which mentioned Piltdown Man (as a hominid fossil, not as a hoax - to
claim the latter within your count would be dishonest on your part).
Other people have given estimates based on the number of titles
published in the field and the size of print runs which suggest that
millions is an exaggeration.


>
>2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
>"understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
>irrelevant point.

Is it. Weren't you claiming that Piltdown was influential?


>
>3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
>If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
>fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
>available.

One would have thought that with all the time you've spent participating
in talk.origins you would have read enough to know that to describe the
evidence for common descent with modification through the agency of
natural selection and other processes as scant is a mischaracterisation
of the evidence.

Given that there are literally billions of observations in support of
common descent, it would seem more appropriate to describe the evidence
as voluminous, rather than scan.

However you may have actually learnt something - you're now only
expressing skeptopathy, rather than claiming that Piltdown Man deceived
people into accepting the factuality of evolution.


>
>4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
>

One fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer;
challenging what scientists say is desirable, but only when the
challenges are informed.
--
alias Ernest Major

Collin DuCrane

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Oct 31, 2006, 5:08:01 PM10/31/06
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Richard Forrest wrote:
> mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > Dave wrote:
> > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > called peer review.
> >
> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>
> Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> A few instances will suffice.
> RF
>

The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
literature:


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Jewish (as opposed to Cynic) setting. $163, but a killer. Covers all
the messianic passages from Qumran.)
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Graham H. Twelftree, IVP:1999.
[NT:JRFF] Jesus' Resurrection: Fact or Figment: A Debate between
William Lane Craig and Gerd Ludemann. Paul Copan and Ronald K. Tacelli
(eds). IVP:2000.
[NT:JRS] Jesus Reads Scripture-The Function of Jesus' Use of
Scripture in the Synoptic Gospels. Emerson Powery. Brill:2003.
[NT:JSPP] Jesus the Seer--The Progress of Prophecy. Ben Witherington
III. Hendrikson:1999.
[NT:JTHPUP] Jesus the Healer: Paradigm or Unique Phenomenon, Keith
Warrington, Paternoster:2000.
[NT:L7C] The Letters to the Seven Churches, Updated Edition, W. M.
Ramsey (edited by Mark W. Wilson), Hendrickson:1994.
[NT:LFD] Life in the Face of Death: The Resurrection Message of the New
Testament, Richard Longnecker (ed.), Eerdmans:1998.
[NT:LGQ] The Lost Gospel Q, Borg (consulting ed.), Ulysses Press: 1996.

[NT:LTG] The Living Text of the Gospels, D.C. Parker,
CambridgeUPress:1997.
[NT:LTJN] Living in the Time of Jesus of Nazareth. Peter Connolly.
Steimatzky:1983.
[NT:MEC] Modelling Early Christianity: Social-Scientific studies of the
New Testament in its Context. Philip Esler (ed). Routledge:1995.
[NT:MMMNTT] Medicine, Miracle, and Magic in New Testament Times. Howard
Clark Kee. Cambridge:1986.
[NT:MNTD] The Making of the New Testament Documents. E.E. Ellis.
Brill:1999. (major reappraisal of gospel formation theories--looks good
so far)
[NT:MOG] Mark's Other Gospel: Rethinking Morton Smith's Controversial
Discovery. Scott G Brown. CanadianCorporationforStudies in Religion:
2005.
[NT:MTAT] Memory, Tradition, and Text: Uses of the Past in Early
Christianity. Alan Kirk and Tom Thatcher (eds). SBL:2005.
[NT:NDIEC6] New Documents Illustrating Early Christianity, Vol 6.,
Llewelyn and Kearsley, Ancient History Documentary Research
Centre/Macquarie Univ: 1992.
[NT:NJC] Nazarene Jewish Christianity--from the End of the New
Testament Period until its Disappearance in the Fourth Century, Ray
Pritz, Magnes Press:1988.
[NT:NLEK] The New Linguistic and Exegetical Key to the Greek New
Testament. Cleon Rogers JR and Cleon Rogers III. Zondervan:1998.
[NT:NPJ] A New Perspective on Jesus: What the Quest for the Historical
Jesus Missed. James DG Dunn. Baker:2005.
[NT:NTDOTT] New Testament Development of Old Testament Themes, by F.F.
Bruce, Eerdmans:1968.
[NT:NTTIHM] New Testament Theology: Many Witnesses, One Gospel. I.
Howard Marshall. IVP:2004.
[NT:NTWICA] The New Testament World: Insights from Cultural
Anthropology. Bruce J. Malina. WJK:1993 (rev.ed).
[NT:OMMCCD] The Origins of Mark: The Markan Community in Current
Debate. Dwight Peterson. Brill:2000.
[NT:P] Paul, by E.P. Sanders, Oxford:1991.
[NT:PACL] Paul: A Critical Life, by Jerome Murphy-O'Connor OP,
Oxford:1996.
[NT:PAH] Paul and Hellenism, by Hyam Maccoby, SCM/Trinity:1991.
[NT:PAL] Paul and the Law: A Contextual Approach, by Frank Thielman,
IVP:1994.
[NT:PAP] Power and Prejudice: The Reception of the Gospel of Mark.
Brenda Deen Schildgen. WayneState:1999.
[NT:PATJ] Paul and the Jews. Andrew Das. Hendrickson:2003.
[NT:PBDA] Paul between Damascus and Antioch, Martin Hengel and Anna
Maria Schwemer, WJK:1997
[NT:PBJHD] Paul Beyond the Judaism/Hellenism Divide. Troels
Engberg-Pedersen (ed). WJK:2001.
[NT:PCP] The Pre-Christian Paul, Martin Hengel, SCM/Trinity:1991.
[NT:PEC] Prophecy in Early Christianity and the Ancient Mediterranean
World, David E. Aune, Eerdmans:1983.
[NT:PIC] Paul's Idea of Community-The Early House Churches in their
Cultural Setting. Robert Banks. Hendrickson:1994 (rev.ed)
[NT:PITJ] Palestine in the Time of Jesus: Social Structures and Social
Conflicts. KC Hanson and Douglas Oakman. Fortress:1998.
[NT:PJJAD] Paul, Judaism, and Judgment According to Deeds. Kent Yinger.
Cambridge:1999.
[NT:PJT] Paul the Jewish Theologian: A Pharisee among Christians, Jews,
and Gentiles, Brad H. Young, Hendrickson:1997.
[NT:PLW] Paul the Letter Writer. M Luther Stirewalt, Jr. Eerdmans:2003.

[NT:PM2W] Paul: A Man of Two Worlds. CJ den Heyer. Trinity:1998.
[NT:PML] Paul and the Mosaic Law. James G. Dunn (ed). Eerdmans:1994.
[NT:PNP] Paul and the New Perspective: Second Thoughts on the Origin of
Paul's Gospel. Seyoon Kim. Eerdmans:2002.
[NT:PONP] Perspectives Old and New on Paul: The Lutheran Paul and his
Critics. Shephen Westerholm. Eerdmans:2004.
[NT:PP] Pauline Parallels, Fred Francis and J. Paul Sampley,
Fortress:1984 (2nd ed).
[NT:PTC] Paul's True Rhetoric: Ambiguity, Cunning, and Deception in
Greece and Rome. Mark Given. Trinity:2001.
[NT:QQ] Questioning Q: A Multidimensional Challenge. Mark Goodacre and
Nicholas Perrin (eds). IVP:2004.
[NT:RCJ] The Ruling Class of Judea: The Origins of the Jewish Revolt
against Rome A.D. 66-70, Martin Goodman, CambridgeUpress:1987.
[NT:RG] The Rhetoric of the Gospel: Theological Artistry in the Gospels
and Acts. Clifton Black. Chalice:2001.
[NT:RJIB] Rabbi Jesus--An Intimate Biography. Bruce Chilton.
Image/DoubleDay:2000.
[NT:RNTTC] Rethinking New Testament Textual Criticism. David Alan Black
(ed). Baker:202.
[NT:RPMC] Religious Propaganda & Missionary Competition in the New
Testament World, Lukas Bormann, Kelly Del Tredici, & and Angela
Standhartinger (eds), Brill:1994. (Well over half of it is in German.)
[NT:RSOG] The Resurrection of the Son of God. NT Wright. Fortress:2003.

[NT:RSP] Rethinking the Synoptic Problem. David Alan Black and David R
Beck (eds). Baker:2001.
[NT:SEC] Studies in Early Christology. Martin Hengel, T&T Clark: 1995.
[NT:SHHS] Story as History, History as Story: The Gospel Tradition in
the Context of Ancient Oral History. Samuel Byrskog. Brill:2002
[NT:SSCGJ] Social-Science Commentary on the Gospel of John. Bruce
Malina and Richard Rohrbaugh. Fortress:1998.
[NT:SSCSG] Social-Science Commentary on the Synoptic Gospels. Bruce
Malina and Richard Rohrbaugh. Fortress:1992.
[NT:SSEF] Subversive Symmetry: Exploring the Fantastic in Mark 6.45-56.
George W Young. Brill:1999.
[NT:SSSK] Saint Saul: A Skeleton Key to the Historical Jesus. Donald
Harman Akenson. Oxford:2000.
[NT:TCIJ] This Christ is Jesus: Metamorphosis, Possession, and
Johannine Christology. Pamela Kinlaw. Brill/SBL:2005.
[NT:TMP] The Midrashic Process, Irving Jacobs, Cambridge:1995.
[NT:TSH] The Two-Source Hypothesis: A Critical Appraisal. Arthur
Bellinzoni, Jr (ed.). Mercer UP:1985. (Out of print, but one of the
most thorough and balanced discussion I had seen on this.)
[NT:TSOQ] The Shape of Q: Signal Essays on the Sayings Gospel, John
Kloppenborg (ed.), Fortress: 1994.
[NT:WAM4TH] Women and Men in the Fourth Gospel: A Genuine Discipleship
of Equals. Margaret Beirne. T&TClark:2003.
[NT:WDJD] What Did Jesus Do? Gospel Profiles of Jesus' Personal
Conduct. F Scott Spencer. TrinityPress:2003.
[NT:WIB] Where is Boasting? Early Jewish Soteriology and Paul's
Response in Romans 1-5. Simon J. Gathercole. Eerdmans:2002.
[NT:WSPRS] What Saint Paul Really Said--Was Paul of Tarsus the Real
Founder of Christianity?, by N.T. Wright, Eerdmans:1997.
[NT:Z] The Zealots, Martin Hengel (trans. David Smith), T&T Clark:1989.

[NTA] New Testament Apocrypha, Wilhelm Schneemelcher (ed) and R. McL.
Wilson (trans.), Westminster/John Knox:1991 (2 vols)
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1987.
[NTCI] New Testament Criticism and Interpretation, eds. D.A. Black and
D.S. Dockery. Zondv: 1991, 600+pp.
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Eerdmans: 1943.
[NTF] New Testament Foundations: A Guide for Christian Students--Vol.1:
The Four Gospels, Ralph P. Martin, Eerdmans: 1975.
[NTLE] The New Testament in Its Literary Environment. Aune, David E.,
Westminster, 1987.
[NTPG] The New Testament and the People of God, N. T. Wright, Fortress:
1992.
[NTSE] The New Testament in its Social Environment, Stambaugh and
Balch, Westminster: 1986.
[NTTJ] New Testament Theology: The Theology of the Gospel of John, by
D. Moody Smith, Cambridge: 1995.
[NWNTI] Noncanonical Writings and New Testament Interpretation, Craig
Evans, Hendrickson: 1992.
[OB] The Origin of the Bible, P.W. Comfort (ed.), Tyndale: 1992.
[OCS] The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, B.D. Ehrman, Oxford: 1993.
[OT:2STDS] Double Standards in Isaiah: Re-evaluating Prophetic Ethics
and Divine Justice. Andrew Davies. Brill:2000.
[OT:9C] The Nine Commandments: Uncovering the Hidden Pattern of Crime
and Punishment in the Hebrew Bible. David Noel Freedman.
Doubleday:2000.
[OT:AAI] The Archeology of Ancient Israel, Amnon ben-Tor (ed.),
Yale:1992.
[OT:ABC] Assyrian and Babylonian Chronicles. A. K. Grayson.
Eisenbrauns:1975/2000.
[OT:ACUP] Archaeology of the City: Urban Planning in Ancient Israel and
its Social Implications. Ze'ev Herzog. TelAviv:1997.
[OT:AEBA] The Ancient Egyptian Books of the Afterlife. Erik Hornung.
Cornell:1999.
[OT:AEOT] Ancient Egypt and the Old Testament, John D. Currid,
Baker:1997.
[OT:AHBSF] Atra-Hasis: The Babylonian Story of the Flood. W.G. Lambert
and A.R. Millard. Eisenbrauns:1999 reprint of 1969 OUP.
[OT:AHT] The History of Tyre (Revised Edition). H.J. Katzenstein,
Ben-Gurion University of the Negev Press/Beer Sheeva:1997. (Only covers
up to 539 BCE)
[OT:AIIN] Ancient Israel and Its Neighbors: Interaction and
Counteraction. Nadav Na'aman. Eisenbrauns:2005.
[OT:ALANE] Archives and Libraries in the Ancient Near East, 1500-300
BC, Olof Pedersen, CDL Press: 1998.
[OT:ALB2] Archaeology of the Land of the Bible Volume II: The Assyrian,
Babylonian, and Persian Periods (732-332 BCE), Ephraim Stern,
AnchorBible/Doubleday:2001.
[OT:ALTB] Archaeology and the Land of the Bible, Amihai Mazar,
Doubleday:1992 (Anchor Bible series)
[OT:ANCANE] Aspects of Nonverbal Communication in the Ancient Near
East. Biblical Institute Press:1980.
[OT:ANE3K] The Ancient Near East c. 3000-330bc, Amelie Kuhrt ,
Routledge:1995 (2 vols.)
[OT:ANSCIG] Abraham in the Negev: A Source-Critical Investigation of
Genesis 20:1-22:19. T. Desmond Alexander. Paternoster:1997. (Decides
that existing Source-Critical /JEDP theories are contra-indicated by
the data...)
[OT:AOT] Archaeology and the Old Testament, Alfred J. Hoerth,
Baker:1998.
[OT:AP] State Archives of Assyria, volume IX: Assyrian Prophecies. Simo
Parpola. Helsinki UP:1997.
[OT:AS] The Age of Solomon: Scholarship at the Turn of the Millennium.
Lowell Handy (ed). Brill:1997.
[OT:ASM] Astral Sciences in Mesopotamia. Hermann Hunger and David
Pingree. Brill:1999.
[OT:AST] The Amarna Scholarly Tablets. Shlomo Isre'el. Styx:1997.
[OT:ATSHB] Ancient Texts for the Study of the Hebrew Bible: A Guide to
the Background Literature. Kenton Sparks. Hendrickson:2005.
[OT:BAIW] The Bible as It Was, James L. Kugel, Harvard:1997.
[OT:BANE] The Bible and the Ancient Near East, Cyrus Gordon and Gary
Rendsburg, Norton:1997 (4th ed).
[OT:BANER] The Bible and the Ancient Near East-Collected Essays. J J
M Roberts (ed). Eisenbrauns:2002.
[OT:BBC1] The IVP Bible Background Commentary: Genesis-Deuteronomy,
John H. Walton & Victor Matthews, IVP:1997.
[OT:BBCALL] The IVP Bible Background Commentary--Old Testament. Walton,
Matthews, & Chalvalas. IVP:2000. [Outstanding.]
[OT:BDCR1] The Book of Daniel: Composition and Reception (Vol One).
John J. Collins and Peter W. Flint (eds.). Brill:2001.
[OT:BDCR2] The Book of Daniel: Composition and Reception (Vol 2). John
Collins and Peter Flint (eds). Brill:2002.
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and Cuneiform Texts (2 vols). A. R. George. Oxford:2003.
[OT:BHI] A Biblical History of Israel. Provan, Long, Longman III.
WJK:2003.
[OT:BOT] Bringing out the Treasure: Inner Biblical Allusion in
Zechariah 9-14. Mark Boda and Michael Floyd (eds). JSOT:2003.
[OT:BPE] Biblical Peoples and Ethnicity: An Archaeological Study of
Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, and Early Israel. Ann Killebrew.
Brill/SBL:2005.
[OT:BT] The Balaam Traditions: Their Character and Development.
SBL:1990.
[OT:BWL] Babylonian Wisdom Literature. WG Lambert. Eisenbrauns:1996
(1960).
[OT:CAANEB] Creation Accounts in the Ancient New East and in the Bible.
Richard J. Clifford. Catholic Biblical Quarterly Monograph Series:1994.

[OT:CAD] Creation and Destruction: A Reappraisal of the Chaoskampf
Theory in the Old Testament. David Tsumura. Eisenbrauns:2005.
[OT:CANE] Civilizations of the Ancient Near East. Jack M. Sasson (ed.).
Hendrickson:1995 (4vols)
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(Self):1989.
[OT:CEANE] The Care of the Elderly in the Ancient New East. Marten Stol
and Sven P. Vleeming (eds.). Brill:1998.
[OT:CIANE] Cultural Interaction in the Ancient Near East. Guy Bunnens
(ed). Peeters Press, Louvain: 1996.
[OT:CityAM] The Ancient Mesopotamian City, Marc Van De Mieroop,
Oxford-Clarendon: 1997.
[OT:CKIJ] TheChronology of the Kings of Israel & Judah, Gerson Galil,
Brill:1996.
[OT:CMHE] Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic. Frank Moore Cross.
Harvard:1973.
[OT:CML] Canaanite Myths and Legends (2nd ed). JCL Gibson.
T&TClark:1976.
[OT:COHC] Chieftains of the Highland Clans: A History of Israel in the
12th and 11th Centuries BC. Robert Miller II. Eerdmans:2005.
[OT:COTK] Chronicle of the Old Testament Kings. John Rogerson. Thames
and Hudson:1999.
[OT:COU] The City of Ugarit at Tell Ras Shamra. Marguerite Yon.
Eisenbrauns:2006.
[OT:CRLTU] Canaanite Religion according to the Liturgical Texts of
Ugarit. G. del Olmo Lete (trans. Wilfred G.E. Watson). CDL Press:1999.
[OT:CSME] Creation Stories of the Middle East. Ewa Wasilewska. Jessica
Kingsley:2000.
[OT:CSP] Chronicles and its Synoptic Parallels in Samuel, Kings, and
Related Biblical Texts. Eds: John Endres, William Millar, John B.
Burns. Glazier/Liturgical: 1998.
[OT:CTWH] Cuneiform Texts and the Writing of History. Marc van de
Mieroop. Routledge:1999.
[OT:CU] Chaos Uncreated: A Reassessment of the Theme of Chaos in the
Hebrew Bible. Rebecca S Watson. WalterDeGruyter:2005.
[OT:DAAE] Death and the Afterlife in Ancient Egypt, John H. Taylor,
UChicago:2001.
[OT:DAR] Domination and Resistance: Egyptian Military Activity in the
Southern Levant, 1300-1185 BC. Michael G Hasel. Brill:1998.
[OT:DESB] Devils and Evil Spirits of Babylonia. R Campbell Thompson.
Kessinger: 1903 (reprnt)
[OT:DGHW] Did God Have a Wife? Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient
Israel. William G Dever. Eerdmans:2005.
[OT:DictOT5] Dictionary of the Old Testament Pentateuch, T. Desmond
Alexander and David W. Baker (eds). IVP:2003.
[OT:DLAM] Daily Life in Ancient Mesopotamia. Karen Rhea Nemet-Nejat.
Greenwood Press:1998.
[OT:DOTE] Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis, Willem A.
VanGeren (gen. Ed.), Zond:1997 (5 vols).
[OT:DSPS] The Dead Sea Psalms Scrolls and the Book of Psalms. Peter
Flint. Brill:1997.
[OT:EEE] Exodus: The Egyptian Evidence, E.S. Frerichs and L.H. Lesko
(eds), Eisenbrauns:1997.
[OT:EEERP] Egyptianization and Elite Emulation in Ramesside
Palestine--Governance and Accommodation on the Imperial Periphery.
Carolyn Higginbotham. Brill:2000.
[OT:EIAI] Education in Ancient Israel: Across the Deadening Silence,
James L. Crenshaw, Doubleday: 1998.
[OT:EML] Early Mesopotamian Law. Russ VerSteeg. Carolina Academic:2000.

[OT:ESK] Epics of Sumerian Kings: The Matter of Aratta. Herman
Vanstiphout. SBL:2003.
[OT:ETHB] The Earliest Text of the Hebrew Bible: The Relationship
between the Masoretic Text and the Hebrew Base of the Septuagint
Reconsidered. Adrian Schenker (ed). SBL:2003.
[OT:EXR] Exodus Retold: Ancient Exegesis of the Departure from Egypt in
Wis 15-21 and 19:1-9. Peter Enns. SBL:1997.
[OT:FAA] Fictional Akkadian Autobiography: A Generic and Comparative
Study. Tremper Longman III. Eisenbrauns:1991.
[OT:FAI] Families in Ancient Israel, L.G. Perdue, Blenkinsopp, John J.
Collins, Carol Meyers, WJK:1997.
[OT:FBA] The Future of Biblical Archaeology: Reassessing Methodologies
and Assumptions. Hoffmeier and Millard (eds). Eerdmans:2004.
[OT:FBM] The Five Books of Moses, Everett Fox (trans), Schocken: 1995.
[OT:FBTJ] From Balaam to Jonah: Anti-Prophetic Satire in the Hebrew
Bible. David Marcus. SBL:1995.
[OT:FHiero] Fascinating Hieroglythics: Discovering, Decoding, and
Understanding the Ancient Art, Christian Jaq, Sterling:1996.
[OT:FRIB] Family Religion in Babylonia, Syria, and Israel. Karel van
der Toorn. Brill:1996.
[OT:FRJ] The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem--Judah under Babylonian Rule.
Oded Lipschits. Eisenbrauns:2005.
[OT:FSN] The Final Sack of Nineveh. John Malcolm Russell. Yale:1998.
[OT:GA] Gilgamesh and Akka. Dina Katz. Styz:1993.
[OT:GCDSS] Graphic Concordance to the Dead Sea Scrolls, James H
Charlesworth, WJK:1991.
[OT:GGIG] Gods, Goddesses, and Images of God in Ancient Israel. Othmar
Keel and Christoph Uehlinger. Fortress:1998.
[OT:GOE] The Gods of Egypt. Claude Traunecker. Cornell:2001.
[OT:HAE] A History of Ancient Egypt. Nicolas Grimal.
Barnes&Noble/Blackwell:1994.
[OT:HAILXX] Hebrew/Aramaic Index to the Septuagint, Keyed to the
Hatch-Redpath Concordance. Takamitsu Muraoka, Baker:1998.
[OT:HBW] Homicide in the Biblical World. Pamela Barmash.
Cambridge:2005.
[OT:HHWAI] History and Historical Writing in Ancient Israel: Studies in
Biblical Historiography. Tomoo Ishida. Brill:1999.
[OT:HIBAJW] A History of Israel from the Bronze Age through the Jewish
Wars. Walter C. Kaiser Jr., Broadman and Holman: 1998.
[OT:HLAE] Handbook to Life in Ancient Egypt, Rosalie David,
FactsonFile:1998.
[OT:HLBT] Hebrew Law in Biblical Times, Ze'ev Falk,
Eisenbrauns:2001(2nd ed).
[OT:HLTTG] Hammurabi's Laws: Text, Translation and Glossary. M. E. J.
Richardson. SheffieldAcademic:2000.
[OT:HP] Hittite Prayers. Itamar Singer. SBL:2002.
[OT:HPI] A History of Prophecy in Israel, Joseph Blenkinsopp, WJK:1996
(revised and enlarged edition).
[OT:HVS] Hebrew Verse Structure. M. O'Connor, Eisenbrauns:1980/97. [the
standard work]
[OT:HWBP] Handbook on the Wisdom Books and Psalms. Daniel J Estes.
BakerAcademic:2005.
[OT:I] The Israelites, B.S.J. Isserlin, Thames and Hudson:1998.
[OT:IA] Introduction to the Apocrypha: Message, Context, and
Significance. David deSilva. Baker:2002.
[OT:IBHS] An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax. Bruce Waltke and
M. O'Connor, Eisenbrauns:1990.
[OT:IBPNSI] Identifying Biblical Persons in Northwest Semitic
Inscriptions of 1200-539 BCE. Lawrence Mykytiuk. SBL:2004.
[OT:ICWS] The Invention of Cuneiform: Writing in Sumer. Jean-Jaques
Glassner. JohnsHopkins:2000/2003 (trans)
[OT:IIE] Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the
Exodus Tradition, James K. Hoffmeier, Oxford: 1997.
[OT:ILAN] Implied Law in the Abraham Narrative. James Bruckner.
Sheffield/JSOT:2001
[OT:ILANE] Intellectual Life of the Ancient Near East. Jiri Prosecky
(ed.). Oriental Institute (Prague):1998.
[OT:INW] The Image of the Netherworld in the Sumerian Sources. Dina
Katz. CDL:2003.
[OT:IPIWR] Interested Parties: The Ideology of Writers and Readers of
the Hebrew Bible. David J.A. Clines. JSOT/Sheffield:1995.
[OT:IRI] The Implied Reader in Isaiah 6-12. Archibald van Wieringen.
Brill:1998.
[OT:ISH] Insearch of History: Historiography in the Ancient World and
the Origins of Biblical History, John Van Seters, Eisenbrauns: 1997.
[OT:ISL] Introduction to the Semitic Langauges: Text Specimens and
Grammatical Sketches, Gotthelf Bergstrasser (trans. and notes. By Peter
T. Daniels), Eisenbrauns:1983 (original text in 1928)
[OT:ISOE] In the Shelter of Elyon: Essays on Ancient Palestinian Life
and Literature. Barrick and Spencer (eds). JSOT:1984.
[OT:ISPEI] In Search of Pre-Exilic Israel. John Day (ed). TTClark:2004.

[OT:ITB] In the Beginning: A Short History of the Hebrew Language. Joel
Hoffman. NYU:2004.
[OT:ITUVD] Influences and Traditions Underlying the Vision of Daniel
7:2-14--the Research History from the End of the 19th Century to the
Present, Jurg Eggler, UFribourg:2000.
[OT:IVI] Intertextuality in Ugarit and Israel. Johannes de Moor (ed).
Brill:1998.
[OT:JIBA] Jerusalem in Bible and Archaeology: The First Temple Period.
Andrew Vaughn and Ann Killebrew (eds). SBL:2003.
[OT:JRSP] Joshua Retold: Synoptic Perspectives. A. Graeme Auld. T&T
Clark:1998.
[OT:KH] The Kingdom of the Hittites. Trevor Bryce.
Clarndon/Oxford:1998.
[OT:KP] Kingdom of Priests: A History of Old Testament Israel. Eugene
Merrill. Baker:1987/96.
[OT:LABS] State Archives of Assyria, Vol X: Letters from Assyrian and
Babylonian Scholars. Simo Parpola. Helsinki UP:1993.
[OT:LAE] Letters from Ancient Egypt, Edward Wente, ScholarsPress:1990.
[OT:LAL] Leviticus as Literature. Mary Douglas. Oxford:1999.
[OT:LEM] Letters from Early Mesopotamia, Piotr Michalowski,
ScholarsPress:1993.
[OT:LIANE] Life in the Ancient Near East, 3100-332 BCE, Daniel C.
Snell, Yale:1997.
[OT:LLIB] Law, Legend, and Incest in the Bible-Leviticus 18-20. Calum
Carmichel. Cornell:1997.
[OT:LPKEA] Letters from Priests to the Kings Esarhaddon and
Assurbanipal. Steven Cole and Peter Machinist (eds). HelsinkiUP:1998.
[OT:LSOT] The Literary Structure of the Old Testament: A Commentary on
Genesis-Malachi. David Dorsey. Baker:1999.
[OT:MAB] Mesopotamia and the Bible: Comparative Explorations. Mark
Chavalas and K. Lawson Younger. Baker:2002.
[OT:MALXX] Messianism and the Septuagint--Collected Essays by J Lust. K
Hauspie (ed). LeuvenUP:2004.
[OT:Mari] Mari and the Bible. Abraham Malamat. Brill:1998.
[OT:MASW] The Messenger in the Ancient Semitic World. Samuel A. Meier.
Harvard/Scholars Press:1988.
[OT:MC] Mesopotamian Chronicles. Jean-Jacques Glassner. SBL:2004.
[OT:MIC] Mesopotamia-The Invention of the City. Gwendolyn Leick.
Penguin:2001.
[OT:MM] Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and
Others. Stephanie Dalley. Oxford:1989.
[OT:MPHB1] Major Poems of the Hebrew Bible at the Interface of
Hermeneutics and Structural Analysis (vol 1). J. P. Fokkelman. Van
Gorcum:1998.
[OT:MPP] Military Practice and Polemic: Israel's Laws of Warfare in
Near Eastern Perspective. Michael G Hasel. AndrewsUP:2005.
[OT:NAZE] Noah's Ark and the Ziusudra Epic. Robert Best. Enlil
Press:1999.
[OT:NSBG] New Studies in Bereshit Genesis. Nehama Leibowitz & Aryeh
Newman (trans). Haomanim Press/Eliner Library (Israel): n.d.
[OT:ORNEI] The Orientalizing Revolution: Near Eastern Influence on
Greek Culture in the Early Archaic Age. Walter Burkert. Harvard:1992.
[OT:OROT] On the Reliability of the Old Testament. K A Kitchen.
Eerdmans:2003.
[OT:OTDATRR] The Old Testament Documents: Are They Reliable and
Relevant?, Walter C. Kaiser, Jr. IVP:2001.
[OT:OTOT] The Old Testament of the Old Testament: Patriarchal
Narratives and Mosaic Yahwism, R.W.L. Moberly, Fortress:1992.
[OT:OTPFOC] Old Testament Prophecy: From Oracles to Canon, by Ronald E.
Clements, WJK:1996.
[OT:OWWW] Oral World and Written Word, Susan Niditch, WJK:1996.
[OT:PAB] Persia and the Bible, Edwin Yamauchi, Baker:1990/1996.
[OT:PAI] Priesthood in Ancient Israel. William Millar. Chalice:2001.
[OT:PIT] The Philistines in Transition: A History from ca 1000-730 bce.
Carl Ehrlich. Brill:1996.
[OT:PPANE] Prophets and Prophecy in the Ancient Near East. Martti
Nissinen. SBL:2003.
[OT:PPC] Peoples of the Past--Canaanites. Jonathan N. Tubb. Univ. of
Oklahoma Press:1998.
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[WWRJ] The Wisdom and Wit of Rabbi Jesus, William Phipps,
Westminster/John Knox: 1993.
[X:JATCH] Jesus and the Constraints of History: Bampton Lectures 1980,
A. E. Harvey, Duckworth:1982
[X:NS:HADPE] How about Demons?:Possession and exorcism in the modern
world. Felicitas Goodman. IndianaUpress:1988.
[X:TH:BDUFE] But Deliver us From Evil: An introduction to the demonic
dimension in pastoral care. John Richards. London, Dartman, Longman and
Todd:1974.
[X:TH:CTETN] Christ Triumphant: Exorcism then and now. Graham
Twelftree. Hodder and Stoughton:1985.
[X:TH:DPDOI] Deliverance: Psychic Disturbances and Occult Involvement.
Michael Perry (ed). SPCK:1987.
[X:TH:DPMHAT] Demonic Possession: a medical, historical,
anthropological, and theological symposium. John Warwick Montgomery
(ed). Bethany:1976.
[X02:JCDMSG] Jesus Christ--Divine Man or Son of God?James R. Brady.
University Press of America:1992.
[X02:JSOTGP6] Gospel Perspectives: The Miracles of Jesus, Vol 6. David
Wenham and Craig Blomberg (eds.). JSOTpress:1986.
[X02:TAMMT] Theios Aner and the Markan Miracle Traditions: A Critique
of the Theios Aner Concept as an Interpretive Background of the Miracle
Traditions Used by Mark. Barry Blackburn. Tubingen: Mohr, 1991.
(revision of Ph.D thesis of 1986 for Univ. of Aberdeen]
[X03:ERCL] Early Rabbinic Civil Law and the Social History of Roman
Galilee: A Study of Mishnah Tractate Baba' Mesi'a. Hayim Lapin.
ScholarsPress:1995.
[X03:IPM] The Iron Pillar Mishnah: Redaction. Form, and Intent. Dov
Zlotnick. KTAV:1988.
[X03:JLFJM] Jewish Law from Jesus to the Mishnah. E.P. Sanders.
SCM/Trinity:1990.
[X03:JLFJM2] Jewish Law from Jesus to the Mishnah: A Systematic Reply
to Professor E.P. Sanders. Jacob Neusner. ScholarsPress:1993.
[X03:NTMSRHS New Testament Miracle Stories in the Religious-Historical
Setting: A Religionsgeschichliche Comparison from a Structural
Perspective, Wehner Kahl, Gottingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1994.
[X04:MECW] Miracle in the early Christian World: A study in
sociohistorical method. Howard Clark Kee. Yale:1983.
[X04:PCCM] Pagan-Christian conflict over miracle in the second century.
Harold Remus. Patristic:1983.
[XBI:1MACC] First Maccabees (intro). John Bartlett. Sheffield:1998.
[XBI:2ESDRAS] 2 Esdras (intro). Bruce Longenecker. Sheffield:1995.
[XBI:4MACC] Fourth Maccabees (intro). David de Silva. Sheffield:1998.
[XBI:AdamEve] The Life of Adam and Eve, and Related Literature (intro).
Marinus de Jonge and Johannes Tromp. Sheffield:1997.
[XBI:AscIsa] The Ascension of Isaiah (intro). Jonathan Knight.
Sheffield:1995.
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Sheffield:2000.
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Sheffield:2001.
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Kugler. Sheffield:2001.
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TTClark:1997.
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Clinton Arnold (ed). Zondervan:2002.
[ZPEB] Zondervan Pictorial Ency. of the Bible 1986.

chris.li...@gmail.com

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I evaded nothing. As a matter of fact I addressed this point in an
earlier post, which you ignored.

>
> 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> irrelevant point.

No, it is exactly the point. It was always considered an anomaly by
biologists. It was interesting in a small way as long as it was
unexplained. Nowadays only buffoons fixate on it.

>
> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.

There's almost nothing to say here, except the number of ways you've
been hornswaggled takes one's breath away.

> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

It already it, and by smarter people than you (or me).

Chris


>
> JM
>
>
>
>
> > Chris

Lee Jay

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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.
>
> That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> creationists.

That's just a flat-out lie. Anyone submitting a paper or journal
article to a conference or journal will receive editorial review for
topic and peer review for content if the topic is relevant to the
conference or journal. When a conference, conference session or
journal is oversubscribed, abstracts are reviewed and chosen on merit.
If creationists can't get published, it's their own fault for
submitting lousy abstracts or lousy work. Period.

Lee Jay

Richard Harter

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Oct 31, 2006, 5:58:58 PM10/31/06
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:41:15 -0500, "Dana Tweedy"
<redd...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
><mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
>news:mccoy-116232882...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>snip
>
>>> As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
>>> it, so I won't bother with you again.
>>
>> 1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
>> millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
>
>There aren't. Thousands of copies at most.

How do you know that there were thousands of copies at most? It seems
likely to me that McCoy might be right on this one. After Eoanthropus
was accepted a valid hominid from 1918 to 1953. That's 35 years of
textbooks. It probably would have been mentioned in many zoology and
paleontology texts, and definitely in anthropology texts in Europe,
England, and America. It also probably appeared in a fair number of
general science texts. So it is certainly plausible that it appeared
in "millions of texts" and just as plausible that it appeared in some
tens or hundreds of thousands of texts. (That's copies of course, not
editions.)

The trouble is that nobody knows; for the most part texts from 50-90
years ago simply aren't available in any convenient place. It might
be interesting to do a literature search in some of the larger
university libraries. Why don't you take five years off and do the
research? Get back to us in 2011.

Ye Old One

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:04:43 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 12:44:46 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

>http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>
>
>Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
>textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered.
>

>JM

Thank you McClueless. Nice to see you find something that proves you
wrong.

[quote]
Reed Cartwright responds to a letter from a creationist. I don't have
anything to add to it, except on one item in the letter:

"I don’t have access to high school textbooks from 1912-1953, but I
can imagine Piltdown Man, which overly eager scientists of the period
tried to use as a “proof” of the much vaunted “theory of evolution,”
was included in them."

Hey, he may not have any textbooks from those days, but I do!* I have
a book titled College Zoology, by Robert W. Hegner, from the year
1933. It does mention Piltdown among other fossils, and places it on a
diagram of the primate family tree between Heidelberg Man and
Neandertal. I also have one called Biology of the Vertebrates, by
Herbert E. Walter, from 1939. It devotes a couple of paragraphs to
Piltdown, but concludes that "much uncertainty and controversy still
surround the ancient woman of Piltdown Common."

The first book was 713 pages; the second, 882. Piltdown was definitely
not a big piece of the story, but were merely briefly mentioned,
apparently more for the sake of being complete than because it was
important, and the Walter text even mentions the dubious nature of the
fossil.

Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a
process for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower
than we'd like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a
mechanism, and what they'd really like to do is subvert a successful
scientific process.

Maybe they should bring up Piltdown more—it's instructive. Scientists,
when they finally took a close look at it, saw that it was garbage,
announced it, and threw it out. Scientists have also taken a close
look at intelligent design creationism, seen that it was garbage, and
have thrown it out. I can't see anyone arguing that we ought to
resurrect the Piltdown fraud, so why should we revisit Paley?

There's also another lesson here: creationists "imagine" a scenario
that fits their preconceptions, but don't bother to check whether it
is accurate; scientists go to the source and report their
observations.

*Not because I've been using them since the 1930s, but because I just
like old books, OK?
[end quote]

So McClueless, there you have it "Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax


had relatively little impact on our understanding of the mechanisms of
evolution, or even of our understanding of the history of the human
lineage; even in its prime, Piltdown was considered something of a
peculiar outlier, and was not a major influence on schoolkids."

> And since this is a


>very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
>time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
>So then, there were millions of textbooks made.

No McClueless. I've only tracked the first title at the moment,
published in New York by Macmillian Company 1924. Ran to 4 editions
(last one in 1937) total print run 18,000 copies - not a best seller.
I've asked for someone to check if the first edition had Piltdown Man.
Since most of his other books were on "Invertebrate zoology" they
would not have mentioned PDM.

So, nothing like the "millions" you need and hardly a promtion of
Piltdown Man as major evidence for the ToE.

Care to try again McClueless or will you now admit you are wrong?

--
Bob.

Inez

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:03:45 PM10/31/06
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Collin DuCrane wrote:
> Richard Forrest wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > A few instances will suffice.
> > RF
> >
>
> The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
> literature:
>
I rather doubt it. These works sound like books, not papers submitted
to research journals.

Ye Old One

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:08:22 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 13:03:06 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

Oh dear McClueless. Why do you keep on with your lie. The cite you
give at the start of this thred proved you worng when it said "Reed is


right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on our
understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
evolution!"

Back to the search McClueless.

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:14:43 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 13:07:01 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

No real textbook promotted Piltdown Man as key evidence for evolution.


>
>2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
>"understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
>irrelevant point.

No McClueless, it is a VERY relevant point.


>
>3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.

Liar! I quote again from the site you linked to "Piltdown was


definitely not a big piece of the story, but were merely briefly
mentioned, apparently more for the sake of being complete than because
it was important, and the Walter text even mentions the dubious nature
of the fossil."

>If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be


>fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
>available.

If there was only scant evidence you could have a point. However,
given the overwhelming amount of evidence there is... Well, like
always, you have lost.


>
>4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

Challenged and tested by science - yes. Challenged by a total dipstick
like you - no.

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:16:59 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 13:35:28 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

It has taken you nearly five months to come up with a cite that does
not even back up your claims McClueless. Time to admit you are wrong.

--
Bob.

rupert....@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:36:54 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Peter Barber wrote:
> > m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> > >
> > >
> > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a

> > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
> > >
> > > JM
> >
> > Check this out. Some guy actually finds the Luminiferous Aether in an
> > old Physics textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since

> > this is a very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since
> > that time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from
> > 1852. So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>
> Check this out. Say that from 1915 to 1952

38 years (inclusive)

> Piltdown Man was included
> in some zoology textbooks,

We have one example. 1.

> some history textbooks

We have 0 examples.

> and some other
> science textbooks.

You claim to have 2 examples. I'll stipulate to that for the purposes
of this calculation.

> That means that if only 2000 textbooks were produced
> a year in the ENTIRE WORLD, per year, what would the math be?

38 * (1 + 0 + 2) * 2000 = 228,000

> But 2000
> is a super low figure.

You're still an order of magnitude off. Find some more books, or get
real publishing figures for the ones you have.

> Sorry. But there were millions of textbooks
> produced.

Sorry. But you still haven't shown this to be true.

> JM

rupert....@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:40:28 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.

Cite, please. We have little reason to believe you're telling the
truth.

>
> That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> creationists.

If they follow the scientific method, which includes attempting to
falsify your own hypothesis, then they should get published. Of course,
the journals are private enterprises, and I'm sure you would not
propose telling the free press what they should and should not publish.

>
> JM
>
[snip]

rupert....@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2006, 6:45:33 PM10/31/06
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Collin DuCrane wrote:
> Richard Forrest wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > A few instances will suffice.
> > RF
> >
>
> The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
> literature:
>
>
[snip apparently random list of publications]

> [CER] The Civilization of Europe in the Renaissance, John Hale, Simon
> and Schuster: 1993.

"Hale examines the myth of Europa's rape by a bullheaded Zeus,
discusses the intensity of mapmaking that placed Europe at the center
of the world, and then sets forth to capture the entire, vast panorama
of European civilization."

What does this have to do with creationism?

[snip the rest that I couldn't be bothered to look at]

Gerry Murphy

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Oct 31, 2006, 7:11:43 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
news:mccoy-116232748...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>
>
> Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>
> JM
>

As has already been pointed out did you even READ the document? CAN you
read?
It's obvious you're desperately grasping at straws. Put up or shut up,
McLaughingstock.


Diogenes

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Nothing, as far as I can tell, it's just the list of books used as
references for this site:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/bookabs.html. I really can't think
of why someone would confuse this with the super secret list of
rejected creationist papers. It does, though, in fact prove that
christians know how to write, which I guess is a good first step.

Gerry Murphy

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Oct 31, 2006, 7:15:02 PM10/31/06
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<mc...@sunset.net>, the black, sucking vortex of ignorance, who would have
to borrow heavily, mortgaging all he owns, just to achieve
intellectual and moral bankruptcy, subtracted from the sum of human
knowledge when he wrote in message
news:mccoy-116232858...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

>
> Peter Barber wrote:
> > m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> > >
> > >
> > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old
Zoology
> > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
> > >
> > > JM
> >
> > Check this out. Some guy actually finds the Luminiferous Aether in an
> > old Physics textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since

> > this is a very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since
> > that time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from
> > 1852. So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>
> Check this out. Say that from 1915 to 1952 Piltdown Man was included
> in some zoology textbooks, some history textbooks and some other
> science textbooks. That means that if only 2000 textbooks were produced
> a year in the ENTIRE WORLD, per year, what would the math be? But 2000
> is a super low figure. Sorry. But there were millions of textbooks
> produced.
>
> JM
>

I know you're innumerate so I'll help you out. 2000 textbooks per year will
get you to a million in only 500 YEARS!
It's hard to believe anybody can be as stupid as you and have enough brain
power to breathe.


Gerry Murphy

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<mc...@sunset.net>, the black, sucking vortex of ignorance, who would have
to borrow heavily, mortgaging all he owns, just to achieve
intellectual and moral bankruptcy, subtracted from the sum of human
knowledge when he wrote in message
news:mccoy-116232748...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>
>
> Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>
> JM
>

Day 132 of the McPiltdown Death March, McLaughingstock.


Tom McDonald

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Oct 31, 2006, 7:22:29 PM10/31/06
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Collin DuCrane wrote:
> Richard Forrest wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > A few instances will suffice.
> > RF
> >
>
> The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
> literature:

<snip list>

Pick four and provide evidence of your contention.

And, if I read you right, your list was of publications using peer
review in which creationists have successfully published.

Hmm. Hoist on your own petard?

CreateThis

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Oct 31, 2006, 7:21:57 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 14:08:01 -0800, "Collin DuCrane"
<obser...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Richard Forrest wrote:
>> mc...@sunset.net wrote:
>> > Dave wrote:
>> > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> > > called peer review.
>> >
>> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>>
>> Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
>> A few instances will suffice.
>> RF
>>
>
>The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
>literature:

I can see how you'd think that with titles like "Pictorial
Encyclopedia of the Bible" - but, then, you're an imbecile.

Maybe you can find some fellow imbeciles who will be impressed with
the scientific significance of your list of 3,000 religious books. In
fact, I'm sure McMoron will get a gopherwoody over this.

CT

Ye Old One

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Oct 31, 2006, 7:57:09 PM10/31/06
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On 31 Oct 2006 14:08:01 -0800, "Collin DuCrane"
<obser...@gmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>
>Richard Forrest wrote:
>> mc...@sunset.net wrote:
>> > Dave wrote:
>> > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> > > called peer review.
>> >
>> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>>
>> Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
>> A few instances will suffice.
>> RF
>>
>
>The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
>literature:
>
>

[snip long list]

What have any of those to do with scientific peer reviewed
publications or with ID?

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

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Nearly 19 weeks. Four and a half months. 3168 hours.

Bugger - it seems a lot longer :{

--
Bob.

Lee Jay

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Oct 31, 2006, 9:03:18 PM10/31/06
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CreateThis wrote:
> Maybe you can find some fellow imbeciles who will be impressed with
> the scientific significance of your list of 3,000 religious books. In
> fact, I'm sure McMoron will get a gopherwoody over this.

Nominated in the "horrifying image" category.

Lee Jay

chris.li...@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2006, 9:08:38 PM10/31/06
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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > called peer review.
>
> Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> by not allowing the review process to take place.
>
> That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> creationists.
>
> JM
>

But let me guess- the editors support you in email.

Chris

>
>
> >
> > On Oct 31, 4:07 pm, m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > chris.linthomp...@gmail.com wrote:


> > > > m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > > >http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> > >
> > > > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> > > > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > > > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
> > >
> > > > > JM
> > >

> > > > Is it really possible that a person could go through life as clueless
> > > > as you?
> > >
> > > > Did you bother to read past the part where PZMrs says there were texts
> > > > with Piltdown in them? Or did you just start capering about your little
> > > > padded room, making those sounds that get the orderlies all upset with
> > > > you?
> > >
> > > > Here's the good part:
> > >
> > > > "Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
> > > > our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
> > > > understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
> > > > Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
> > > > major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
> > > > evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a process
> > > > for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower than we'd
> > > > like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a mechanism, and what
> > > > they'd really like to do is subvert a successful scientific process."
> > >
> > > > As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote

> > > > it, so I won't bother with you again.1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't


> > > millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
> > >

> > > 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> > > "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> > > irrelevant point.
> > >

> > > 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.

> > > If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> > > fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> > > available.
> > >

> > > 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
> > >
> > > JM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Chris- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Pithecanthropus Erectus

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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> chris.li...@gmail.com wrote:


Here is a section from the article to which you linked:

"Maybe they should bring up Piltdown more—it's instructive. Scientists,
when they finally took a close look at it, saw that it was garbage,
announced it, and threw it out. Scientists have also taken a close look
at intelligent design creationism, seen that it was garbage, and have
thrown it out. I can't see anyone arguing that we ought to resurrect the
Piltdown fraud, so why should we revisit Paley?"

>

Harry K

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AAAARRRRGGHHH make it go away mommy!

Harry K

A.Carlson

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On 31 Oct 2006 13:07:01 -0800, mc...@sunset.net wrote:

>
>chris.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> mc...@sunset.net wrote:
>> > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
>> >
>> >
>> > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
>> > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
>> > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
>> > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
>> > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
>> >
>> > JM

Did you even bother to read this reference of yours? I mean for
comprehension!

Among other things, it clearly states:

[The book *Biology of Vertebrates*] devotes a couple of

paragraphs to Piltdown, but concludes that "much
uncertainty and controversy still surround the ancient
woman of Piltdown Common."

About the other book (College Zoology) it states:

Piltdown was definitely not a big piece of the story, but
were merely briefly mentioned, apparently more for the
sake of being complete than because it was important

Now, out of a combined total of 1,595 pages, how many actually even
contained information about Piltdown man? Based on your own source,
only one chart and a few paragraphs, and that includes information
about it's dubious nature.

This is clearly not the slam dunk you should be looking for if you
still dishonestly contend that scientists were tricked into believing
the ToE *because* of Piltdown man. In fact it indicates quite the
contrary, as is also true with other reference material of the day
that have also been pointed out to you already.

>> Is it really possible that a person could go through life as clueless
>> as you?
>>
>> Did you bother to read past the part where PZMrs says there were texts
>> with Piltdown in them? Or did you just start capering about your little
>> padded room, making those sounds that get the orderlies all upset with
>> you?
>>
>> Here's the good part:
>>
>> "Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
>> our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
>> understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
>> Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
>> major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
>> evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a process
>> for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower than we'd
>> like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a mechanism, and what
>> they'd really like to do is subvert a successful scientific process."
>>
>> As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
>> it, so I won't bother with you again.
>
>1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
>millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.

Leave it to you to attempt to claim victory when you have been so
clearly defeated on the pertinent points that are more directly
related to your nonsense about Piltdown man fooling so many scientists
of today into believing in the ToE.

>2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
>"understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
>irrelevant point.

Irrelevant to whether or not such textbooks existed, yes, but not to
the significance (or lack thereof) of the find.

>3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.

The only real fool here is you. Yes they were fooled into accepting
the existence of Piltdown man to one degree or another but since it
NEVER played any real role in making the case for common descent and
descent through modification, this has little, if anything, to do with
invalidating the actual case for the ToE.

>If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
>fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
>available.

And I suppose that in being so fooled, that automatically erases the
following lines of evidence which has been proven to be far more
robust and on point to the topic at hand:

- Differing collections of flora and fauna during differing eras and
epochs.
- A complex fossil record that strongly supporting the concept
of both descent through modification and common descent.
- Species distribution over time, combined with continental
drift, that also compliments nicely the overall case for the ToE.
- The existence of nested hierarchies.
- The existence of homologies, vestigial structures, and
atavisms and the fact that they compliment nested
hierarchies so nicely.
- DNA and genetic studies that also so nicely compliment
nested hierarchies and the ToE overall, including shared
genetic anomalies that can best be explained by common
descent.
- Behavioral studies that shows, among other things, that the
difference between clearly relates species such as us and our
fellow apes is more a matter of degree.

>4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.

Yes, but rationally and not by some raving religious fanatic such as
yourself who clearly doesn't have a clue.

Tom McDonald

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ogodogodogodogodogod! Don't look directly at the gopherwoody!

It's...it's...it's...LAMINATED

bullpup

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"Tom McDonald" <kil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On the other hand, one cannot help but notice how tiny it is.

Boikat
--
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-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-

Steven J.

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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> chris.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> > >
> > >
> > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
> > >
> > > JM
> >
> > Is it really possible that a person could go through life as clueless
> > as you?
> >
> > Did you bother to read past the part where PZMrs says there were texts
> > with Piltdown in them? Or did you just start capering about your little
> > padded room, making those sounds that get the orderlies all upset with
> > you?
> >
> > Here's the good part:
> >
> > "Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
> > our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
> > understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
> > Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
> > major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
> > evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a process
> > for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower than we'd
> > like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a mechanism, and what
> > they'd really like to do is subvert a successful scientific process."
> >
> > As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
> > it, so I won't bother with you again.
>
> 1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
> millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
>
No, he hasn't evaded it; you haven't yet shown that there were
"millions of texts." You've made a decent start to showing that there
were thousands, but (as Answers in Genesis will tell you) thousands are
not millions.

>
> 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> irrelevant point.
>
What point could be more relevant? The argument, after all, isn't
really over how many copies of how many texts mentioned Piltdown in
passing; it is whether Piltdown was used to "indoctrinate" an entire
generation of biologists into evolution, whether Piltdown was crucial
or even important evidence for common ancestry of humans and other
apes. If there was enough evidence to convince a reasonable biology
student of human evolution without mentioning Piltdown, if, indeed, the
picture of human evolution was clearer and simpler with Piltdown left
out, then the Piltdown fraud did not change history, or cause evolution
to dominate biological thought and research in place of creationism.

>
> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.
>
Is your claim that every shared pseudogene and endogenous retrovirus in
human and other primate genomes is the result of fake research, that
every fossil from "Lucy" to "Turkana Boy" and on is a forgery, that
trees of cytochrome-c and other proteins are all just made up, and so
on and on and on? Or is your point that if a single, trivial item of
evidence escapes serious study, that no one can be trusted to draw
reasonable conclusions based on the evidence that is seriously studied?

>
> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
>
As another poster has noted, that's what peer-review is for.
>
> JM
>
>
>
>
> > Chris

-- Steven J.

Richard Forrest

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Collin DuCrane wrote:
> Richard Forrest wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > A few instances will suffice.
> > RF
> >
>
> The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
> literature:
>
>
> [CER] The Civilization of Europe in the Renaissance, John Hale, Simon
> and Schuster: 1993.


Are you suggesting
1) That these are all papers submitted to academic journals for
peer-review by creationists?
2) That the authors of all these books are creationists?
3) That all these books are actually scientific papers?

What the hell is your point in posting a bilical bibliography?

RF

Ye Old One

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On 1 Nov 2006 00:55:38 -0800, "Richard Forrest"

<ric...@plesiosaur.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>What the hell is your point in posting a bilical bibliography?
>
>RF

What was your point in reposting over 3000 lines of rubbish?

--
Bob.

Richard Forrest

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None.
It was a mistake.
My apologies to the list.

RF

Desertphile

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Gerry Murphy wrote:

> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
> news:mccoy-116232748...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> >
> >
> > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old Zoology
> > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.

> As has already been pointed out did you even READ the document? CAN you


> read?
> It's obvious you're desperately grasping at straws. Put up or shut up,
> McLaughingstock.

Well I am glad that McCultist has found what he believes to be his
first and only example of a science text book that includes "Piltdown
Man." It is one of the very few times he can axctually tell himself he
didn't lies utterly and completely--- it might actually encourage him
to lie a tiny bit less in the future.... some day.

Desertphile

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Tom McDonald wrote:
> Collin DuCrane wrote:
> > Richard Forrest wrote:
> > > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > > Dave wrote:
> > > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > > called peer review.
> > > >
> > > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> > >
> > > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > > A few instances will suffice.
> > > RF
> > >
> >
> > The following list contains many such items, and supporting scientific
> > literature:

That's funny. We are supposed to believe that a list of titles are
papers that have been "rejected" out of bias by scientists..... with no
evidence at all they were even submitted to any science journal.
Creationists really do believe everyone is as gulloible as they are.

> <snip list>
>
> Pick four and provide evidence of your contention.
>
> And, if I read you right, your list was of publications using peer
> review in which creationists have successfully published.
>
> Hmm. Hoist on your own petard?

Don't anyone hold one's breath waiting for him to support his claims.

Desertphile

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Because he said so. Surely, if you were a Creationist, that would be
good enough for you.

David Iain Greig

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bullpup <bul...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> "Tom McDonald" <kil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162358408.9...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Harry K wrote:
>> > Lee Jay wrote:
>> > > CreateThis wrote:
>> > > > Maybe you can find some fellow imbeciles who will be impressed with
>> > > > the scientific significance of your list of 3,000 religious books.
> In
>> > > > fact, I'm sure McMoron will get a gopherwoody over this.
>> > >
>> > > Nominated in the "horrifying image" category.
>> > >
>> > > Lee Jay
>> >
>> > AAAARRRRGGHHH make it go away mommy!
>>
>> ogodogodogodogodogod! Don't look directly at the gopherwoody!
>>
>> It's...it's...it's...LAMINATED
>
> On the other hand, one cannot help but notice how tiny it is.

Is it coated in pitch?

--D.

Nic

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Whatever you do, don't start a splinter movement in this thread!

chris.li...@gmail.com

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There's no way I'm jumping in the moonpool now.

Chris

Ye Old One

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On 1 Nov 2006 05:57:19 -0800, "Richard Forrest"

<ric...@plesiosaur.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>
>Ye Old One wrote:
>> On 1 Nov 2006 00:55:38 -0800, "Richard Forrest"
>> <ric...@plesiosaur.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>>
>> >What the hell is your point in posting a bilical bibliography?
>> >
>> >RF
>>
>> What was your point in reposting over 3000 lines of rubbish?
>>
>> --
>> Bob.
>
>None.
>It was a mistake.
>My apologies to the list.
>
>RF

Accepted. Nice of you to spare the time to do so :)

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

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On 1 Nov 2006 08:01:31 -0800, "Desertphile" <deser...@hotmail.com>

enriched this group when s/he wrote:

However, the cite he posted actually puts both mentioned book out of
the frame. The text clearly shows that neither book promoted Piltdown
Man as important evidence for evolution, in fact one book pointed out
the controversy and doubts over the fossil.

--
Bob.

Bob Casanova

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:20:42 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Iain Greig
<dgr...@ediacara.org>:

And does it extend through multiple strata?
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

bullpup

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I'm not going close enough to find out...

Boikat

Josh Hayes

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"Nic" <harris...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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Oh, I adzed you not to do that, but I saw a bad router clamp down on it,
so we miter's well just crosscut to the chase before the stain spreads
and we're all finished. Time for me to varnish from this thread.

-JAH

And get shellac out of here

Rolf

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<mc...@sunset.net> skrev i melding
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>
> chris.li...@gmail.com wrote:

> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/the_persistent_piltdown/
> > >
> > >
> > > Check this out. Some guy actually finds Piltdown Man in an old
Zoology
> > > textbook. A field that I hadn't even considered. And since this is a
> > > very old textbook consider the textbooks that have come since that
> > > time. And I said that I found a text from the 40's and one from 1952.
> > > So then, there were millions of textbooks made.
> > >
> > > JM
> >
> > Is it really possible that a person could go through life as clueless
> > as you?
> >
> > Did you bother to read past the part where PZMrs says there were texts
> > with Piltdown in them? Or did you just start capering about your little
> > padded room, making those sounds that get the orderlies all upset with
> > you?
> >
> > Here's the good part:
> >
> > "Reed is right that the Piltdown hoax had relatively little impact on
> > our understanding of the mechanisms of evolution, or even of our
> > understanding of the history of the human lineage; even in its prime,
> > Piltdown was considered something of a peculiar outlier, and was not a
> > major influence on schoolkids. It certainly wasn't used as "proof" of
> > evolution! What it really is now is evidence that science has a process
> > for weeding out bad data, a process that is sometimes slower than we'd
> > like, but that does work; creationism lacks such a mechanism, and what
> > they'd really like to do is subvert a successful scientific process."
> >
> > As for "millions"- well, you ran from my challenge when I first wrote
> > it, so I won't bother with you again.
>
> 1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't
> millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
>
> 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> irrelevant point.
>
> 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> available.>

Considering how greedily creationists accept all kinds of BS (re. *all
evidence* for creation), we know they don't even need to be fooled, they
already are fools.

> 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
>

Are scientists a peculiar brand of human being, or are they just a
collection of individuals with personal traits just like McCoy and anybody
else on this planet? Why this special precaution against scientists,
shouldn't we challenge all that we hear regardless of source? And you in
particular seems to be a most unreliable source. I have been watching your
postings here for a long time, and they are among the worst nonsense to be
found. Just your bold statement about the 'scant evidence' for evolution.
Where are you, where have you been? Why not stop the nonsense of bothering
with how many copies of articles and stuff about Piltdown, and spend the
time on something useful instead, like learning what you obviously know
very little about?

Everything McCoy says about science and scientists is in fact even more
applicable to himself than to science. Another example of the mote vs. beam
syndrome.

You are wasting your own time as well as others. And it isn't getting you
nowhere - nobody can learn anything from you. Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
You are empty, ignorant, unknowledgeable, uninterested in learning anything.
You are standing still, stuck in your own preconceived notions, unable to
learn anything new. You are the kind of person who knows the truth already,
one whose statements by definition all are true and not to be contested.
What kind of person you really are, at home and by yourself I really don't
know, but the character you present her on t.o. is not someone I think I
could respect.

But here is something real for you to do. Since you are so obsessed with
Piltdown, don't you think it migh be a great project for you to compile some
comprehensive documentation of literature on the subject? Articles in
scientific journals, books and relevant stuff? For books, author(s),
publisher/publishing data, # of copies printed. Take England first, since
that is where it all started, then maybe USA, before perhaps the rest of the
world later.

We need that kind of material in order to facilitate a meaningful debate on
the
subject. Not that it really matters, do anyone besides yourself
really care? There there are so many much more interesting and relevant
subjects to discuss. Maybe when all else has been said and done, we may
return to Piltdown man another hundred years from now.

But since you also are referring to 'scant evidence' for evolution, one may
wonder where you have been the past fifty years. Ever visit a library,
borrowing or buying any relevant books? (Science books, that is, not
creationist crap.)

Are you familiar with subject like the K-T event, and the role ferns play in
that connection? Do you know anything about Axolotl and the role iodine
plays for some intriguing property of that species?

Do you know anything about coccoliths and their relation to chalk?
Milankowich cycles? Scientists like George H.F. Nuttall, Vincent Sarich,
Wilson, Goodman and their work? The biological clock? Circumpolar species
(uncertain about proper term.) How themeasured genetic and
chronological separation between Old Word and New World monkeys correlate
with the
timing of the physical separation between the Old World an New World
continents?

You see, such details are important in and by themselves, because if they
were not what they are, they would be a problem for evolutionary theory. As
it is, they confirm the theory. Why is it that continued research ever since
Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace presented their theory always reinforce
the theory, and never produce evidence against the theory? It takes just one
single discovery to falsify the theory, while to this very date the only
opposition to the theory is creationism's, Piltdownism's and such.

Piltdown, pathetic.


> JM
>
>
>
>
> > Chris
>

Rolf

--------------------------
I know my molecules had ancestors, the palaeontologist can only hope his
bones had descendants.
Vincent Sarich.

mc...@sunset.net

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Richard Forrest wrote:
> mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > Dave wrote:
> > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > called peer review.
> >
> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>
> Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> A few instances will suffice.
> RF

I've already posted a sample from true.origins.com. It's still there
and you've still managed to ignore it.

JM

>
> >
> > That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> > creationists.
> >
> > JM
> >
> >
> >
> > >

> > > On Oct 31, 4:07 pm, m...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > > chris.linthomp...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > > it, so I won't bother with you again.1. You've evaded the fact that a contention was made that there weren't


> > > > millions of texts produced that contained Piltdown Man.
> > > >
> > > > 2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> > > > "understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> > > > irrelevant point.
> > > >
> > > > 3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> > > > If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> > > > fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> > > > available.
> > > >

> > > > 4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
> > > >

mc...@sunset.net

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Dana Tweedy wrote:
> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
> news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> >
> > Dave wrote:
> >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> >> called peer review.
> >
> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>
> Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
> the Creationist Chicken....

Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
legislation. Numerous books have been written against creationists.
Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together. So if you want to
use "conspiracy" go for it.

JM

>
>
> >
> > That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
> > creationists.
>

> Creationists don't submit to peer review, so they are "censoring"
> themselves.
>
> DJT

Ye Old One

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On 2 Nov 2006 15:35:28 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
when s/he wrote:

>
>Dana Tweedy wrote:
>> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
>> news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Dave wrote:
>> >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> >> called peer review.
>> >
>> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>>
>> Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
>> the Creationist Chicken....
>
>Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
>legislation. Numerous books have been written against creationists.
>Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together. So if you want to
>use "conspiracy" go for it.
>

You are a Grade-A nutcase McClueless.

Now, how about a real cite for a textbook (best seller) that promotes
Piltdown Man as a cornerstone of evolution?


--
Bob.

A.Carlson

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On 2 Nov 2006 15:35:28 -0800, mc...@sunset.net wrote:

>
>Dana Tweedy wrote:
>> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
>> news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Dave wrote:
>> >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> >> called peer review.
>> >
>> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>>
>> Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
>> the Creationist Chicken....
>
>Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
>legislation.

Yes, 'scientists' who just so happen to have come from a variety of
religious disciplines have taken pains to protect scientific
credibility and independence from religious fanatics who would corrupt
science to further their own personal religious viewpoints. This is
called *bias* and is indeed something that all scientists should help
'thwart'.

>Numerous books have been written against creationists.

Yes, there is plenty of grist for the mill. Imagine books being
written about something for which there is plenty of interest in. Will
wonders never cease.

>Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together.

Many *real* scientists probably do not care much for those who would
corrupt something that they are so deeply interested in so it isn't a
bit surprising that some will come together to fight for a common
cause.

>So if you want to use "conspiracy" go for it.

It is the creationist who uses all means, fair of foul, to peddle his
lies, even to the point of attempting to legislate his failed ideas
into the educational curriculum.

mc...@sunset.net

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What do you mean "a textbook." I've already provided cites for two
Zoology textbooks. I haven't presented any of my own cites. Why should
I? That is a question for the challenged mind.

JM


>
>
> --
> Bob.

rupert....@gmail.com

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Have you shown that they sold millions of copies? No, not even by your
own math.

> I haven't presented any of my own cites. Why should
> I?

Perhaps you resent being called a liar? Proving us wrong would shut
some of us up.

> That is a question for the challenged mind.

Consider me challenged. If I was being called a liar, I would try
really hard to show that I was telling the truth. I don't understand
why you won't share the evidence you say you already have.

>
> JM
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob.

Dana Tweedy

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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
>> news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Dave wrote:
>> >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> >> called peer review.
>> >
>> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>>
>> Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry
>> of
>> the Creationist Chicken....
>
> Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
> legislation.

Why do creationists need "legislation"?

> Numerous books have been written against creationists.

For the same reason numerous books have been written against any other
social ill.

> Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together.

How? How is defending science peddling "hate"?

> So if you want to
> use "conspiracy" go for it.

If you want to present any evidence of conspiracy, go for it.

note what is ignored below

>> >
>> > That's fraud. There is no peer review, in these cases, for
>> > creationists.
>>
>> Creationists don't submit to peer review, so they are "censoring"
>> themselves.
>>
>> DJT
>

DJT


Dana Tweedy

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<mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
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>
snip

>>
>> You are a Grade-A nutcase McClueless.
>>
>> Now, how about a real cite for a textbook (best seller) that promotes
>> Piltdown Man as a cornerstone of evolution?
>
> What do you mean "a textbook."

Apparently a book used as a text for a class.

> I've already provided cites for two
> Zoology textbooks.

No, you haven't. You provided none.

> I haven't presented any of my own cites.

Because you don't have any.

> Why should
> I? That is a question for the challenged mind.

I think that should be "from a challenged mind".

DJT


A.Carlson

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Nov 2, 2006, 11:43:25 PM11/2/06
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Did you even bother to read what these textbooks actually had to say
about Piltdown man? Obviously you have a serious reading
comprehension problem, both with your own cites and the question that
was asked above.

The challenge was to provide a textbook that backs your oft' repeated
claim (or should that be 'lie') that scientists were somehow tricked
into believing the ToE was true *because* of the evidence Piltdown man
supposedly provided, NOT references that clearly painted Piltdown man
as trivial at best and even doubtful.

As I posted earlier regarding your own cite:

Among other things, it clearly states:

[The book *Biology of Vertebrates*] devotes a couple of
paragraphs to Piltdown, but concludes that "much
uncertainty and controversy still surround the ancient
woman of Piltdown Common."

About the other book (College Zoology) it states:

Piltdown was definitely not a big piece of the story, but
were merely briefly mentioned, apparently more for the
sake of being complete than because it was important

Now, out of a combined total of 1,595 pages, how many actually even
contained information about Piltdown man? Based on your own source,
only one chart and a few paragraphs, and that includes information
about it's dubious nature.

Now weren't you the one bitching earlier about people not responding
to your questions or only responding to "a statement that is EASY to
answer"? Is this rank hypocrisy on your part? Do you not answer such
questions yourself because your simplistic mind is so brainwashed that
it either cannot or will not honestly deal with anything that runs
contrary to your religious dogma?

As you yourself stated, Why is that? why are you so evasive?

Richard Forrest

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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Richard Forrest wrote:
> > mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > > You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > > > called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?
> > A few instances will suffice.
> > RF
>
> I've already posted a sample from true.origins.com. It's still there
> and you've still managed to ignore it.
>
> JM

Articles on trueorigin.org (which I presume is the web site your mean -
trueorigins.com only offers me things like "Ringtones- Evolution") are
not scientific papers. Furthermore, none have been submitted for peer
review in any academic journal.

Here's my response to one posting of a sample from "true"origin.org:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/7086f053c929e603?dmode=source

Note that the site offers no creationist theory, is full of
distortions, misrepresentation and falsehoods, and contains nothing
which can be remotely suitable for submission to any academic journal.

So, to repeat the question:


Which items have creationists submitted for peer review?


RF

Ye Old One

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On 2 Nov 2006 15:56:41 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
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>
>Ye Old One wrote:
>> On 2 Nov 2006 15:35:28 -0800, mc...@sunset.net enriched this group
>> when s/he wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Dana Tweedy wrote:
>> >> <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave wrote:
>> >> >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
>> >> >> called peer review.
>> >> >
>> >> > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
>> >> > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
>> >> > by not allowing the review process to take place.
>> >>
>> >> Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
>> >> the Creationist Chicken....
>> >
>> >Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
>> >legislation. Numerous books have been written against creationists.
>> >Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together. So if you want to
>> >use "conspiracy" go for it.
>> >
>>
>> You are a Grade-A nutcase McClueless.
>>
>> Now, how about a real cite for a textbook (best seller) that promotes
>> Piltdown Man as a cornerstone of evolution?
>
>What do you mean "a textbook."

Well, you used the word first. What did you mean by it?

> I've already provided cites for two
>Zoology textbooks.

Both of which failed to back you up.

> I haven't presented any of my own cites.

I know. four and a half months and you still can't find a textbook to
back up your claim.

> Why should
>I? That is a question for the challenged mind.

Then we canot expect you to answer it.
>
>JM
>

Are you now ready to admit your claim has no basis in reality?

--
Bob.

Richard Forrest

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mc...@sunset.net wrote:
> Dana Tweedy wrote:
> > <mc...@sunset.net> wrote in message
> > news:mccoy-116233037...@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Dave wrote:
> > >> You're right, everything scientists say should be challeged. It's
> > >> called peer review.
> > >
> > > Peer review is a fraud. Creationist have tried to submit items for
> > > review, and somehow editors decide to short-circuit the normal process
> > > by not allowing the review process to take place.
> >
> > Ah, the "all the Editors are in a conspiracy against us" excuse...the cry of
> > the Creationist Chicken....
>
> Evolutionists have taken pains to decry creationism and try to thwart
> legislation.

Actually, the "evolutionists" took the creationists to court so that
existing legislation in respect of science teaching in schools should
be enforced.

In what way is making sure that the law is enforced thwarting
legislation?

> Numerous books have been written against creationists.

Not many.

> Evolutionists are hate peddlers and work together.

Could you give us a single instance of an "evolutionist" web site which
"peddles" hate?
I can show you numerous instances of creationist sites which do.

As for "working together": I suggest that you attend an academic
conference on some aspect of evolutionary biology. You may find it
enlightening.

> So if you want to
> use "conspiracy" go for it.

So let's get this straight:

Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of evolutionary scientists in dozens
of different countries, speaking numerous different languages, working
in universities, museums, commercial enterprises, or using their own
resources are engaged in a massive conspiracy to decieve the public
about the facts of evolution.

Could you suggest how such a conspiracy is organised? I've helped to
organise a small conference attended by about 150 "evolutionists", and
that was hard work (the term "herding cats" springs to mind). What
supergenius is organising the whole international community of
"evolutionists" in such a way that none has yet broken ranks?

RF

Rolf

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"Ernest Major" <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> skrev i melding
news:85d0U9z4...@meden.invalid...
> In message
> <mccoy-116232882...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> mc...@sunset.net writes
> >
> >chris.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> It seems to me that the contention was made that you should provide
> evidence to support your claim that millions of texts were produced
> which mentioned Piltdown Man (as a hominid fossil, not as a hoax - to
> claim the latter within your count would be dishonest on your part).
> Other people have given estimates based on the number of titles
> published in the field and the size of print runs which suggest that
> millions is an exaggeration.

> >
> >2. You've claimed that Piltdown hoax had little impact on the
> >"understanding of the history of the human lineage." But that is an
> >irrelevant point.
>
> Is it. Weren't you claiming that Piltdown was influential?

> >
> >3. The point is that scientists and textbook companies were fooled.
> >If scientists can be fooled about Piltdown Man, then scientists can be
> >fooled to believe evolution based on the scant evidence that is
> >available.
>
> One would have thought that with all the time you've spent participating
> in talk.origins you would have read enough to know that to describe the
> evidence for common descent with modification through the agency of
> natural selection and other processes as scant is a mischaracterisation
> of the evidence.
>
> Given that there are literally billions of observations in support of
> common descent, it would seem more appropriate to describe the evidence
> as voluminous, rather than scan.
>
> However you may have actually learnt something - you're now only
> expressing skeptopathy, rather than claiming that Piltdown Man deceived
> people into accepting the factuality of evolution.
> >
> >4. Therefore everything scientists say should be challenged.
> >
> One fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer;
> challenging what scientists say is desirable, but only when the
> challenges are informed.
> --
> alias Ernest Major
>

Ernest is of course right. But McCoy's problem seems to be (besides
skeptopathy) that he uses the Piltdown affair as the starting point of a
line of reasoning that runs "'scientists can be fooled into believing',
therefore the theory of evolution rests just on what scientists believe,
and not on testable and verifiable facts and findings."

How sound is McCoy's theory of how science works? Since McCoy
hardly is anybody's peer, it isn't even possible to say he's been peer
reveiwed and rejected by the people here on t.o. But what would t.o.
be without the crackpots?

But reality is that the Piltdown affair demonstrates that when the
scientific process is allowed to run its course, sound conclusions will me
made. With being fooled hardly being typical of how science works.
On the contrary; science is characterized by lots of work. Facts are dug
out, studied, measured, analysed, interpreted, published - and peer reviewed
- and remain accessible for anyone to examine and to criticize - in short,
the scientific process is not - what McCoy so glibly asserts - simply just
believing anything anyone says if he likes it.

How well do McCoy himself research a subject before he launces his
skeptopathic conclusions, with hardly any room for skepticism?(!) Seems to
me he is just too easily fooled, and inaccessible for correction.

Doesn't the case of cold fusion show just how it works?

BTW, has McCoy ever shown any ability or interest in discussing any of the
facts on which evolutionary theory rests?

Rolf


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