President Donald Trump pardons former Sheriff Joe Arpaio

[JackPineSavage]

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/

[Dan C]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:54 -0500, JackPineSavage wrote:

> http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-
trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/

Good news. Very sensible thing to do.

Fuck libtard-agenda judges.



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[El Castor]

On 26 Aug 2017 03:28:40 GMT, Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid>
wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:54 -0500, JackPineSavage wrote:
>
>> http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-
>trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/
>
>Good news. Very sensible thing to do.
>

Amen!

[Gary]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:54 -0500, JackPineSavage <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/

I don't know much about the sheriff. But what little I have read causes me to wish
him well -- and hope he continues being a good man.

[Jack Fate]

He is not a good man. He is a criminal. Course, what with you being a
flaming asshole bigot, you approve of his criminal acts.

[me]

"First they came for" ...

Odd. You like to post about the evils of the Police State. Evidently you have no problem when it's your police state criminalizing your political opponents. Look up 'moral relativism'. Then explain your position.

[Jack Fate]

me wrote:
> "First they came for" ...
>
> Odd. You like to post about the evils of the Police State. Evidently you have no problem when it's your police state criminalizing your political opponents. Look up 'moral relativism'. Then explain your position.
>

He's a criminal and a bigot. Your support for him is disgusting.

[rumpelstiltskin]

Not surprising you'd approve.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/26/2017 5:17 AM, Jack Fate wrote:

> He is not a good man.

"...but I will no longer be posting here. No one here is going to change
so, basically, I'm wasting the little time I have left by posting to
this obscure little group full of stupid bigoted and racist Trump
lovers."

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/26/2017 5:54 AM, Jack Fate wrote:

> He's a criminal

[El Castor]

Not at all surprising. Arpaio is just another skirmish in the battle
foe open borders.

[bfla...@gmail.com]

Let's be very clear about the Arpaio case.

He violated a Judge's order. If you or I would do that
we'd be in jail.

There is no question that Trump has the authority to pardon anyone,
anytime. The only question is should he have pardoned Arpaio.

Arpaio was ordered by a Judge to stop his profiling Mexican types
and he refused saying that it would be "business as usual". This
was acceptable to the majority of folks who elected him in
Maricopa County many times. It did not matter to them that
Arpaio has cost the County more that 125 million $ with his various
legal battles ranging from deaths in his jails to other purely
political battles with other officials of the County.

Arpaio was defeated at the polls for his last run for Sheriff.
He ran a very ragged Sheriff's office during his tenure but was
masterful at self publicity giving him the name of the toughest
sheriff in America. His style was congruent to Trump's-a con.

[Gary]

Maybe he was defeated because he is 85 years old. We don't want no minority to out-draw
him. Even Wyatt Earp would have slowed down at that age.

[Dan C]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:21:57 -0700, bflanier wrote:

> Let's be very clear about the Arpaio case.
>
> He violated a Judge's order. If you or I would do that we'd be in jail.
>
> There is no question that Trump has the authority to pardon anyone,
> anytime. The only question is should he have pardoned Arpaio.

Yes, he should have, and did.

>
> Arpaio was ordered by a Judge to stop his profiling Mexican types and he
> refused saying that it would be "business as usual". This was acceptable
> to the majority of folks who elected him in Maricopa County many times.
> It did not matter to them that Arpaio has cost the County more that 125
> million $ with his various legal battles ranging from deaths in his
> jails to other purely political battles with other officials of the
> County.

Exactly. They kept electing him, so it must not have bothered them too
much, eh? It's their money and they were OK with it. What business is it
of yours, or mine, or the Feds?

>
> Arpaio was defeated at the polls for his last run for Sheriff.

Yep. He's 85 years old, too.

> He ran a very ragged Sheriff's office during his tenure but was

"Very ragged"? Not sure what that even means.

> masterful at self publicity giving him the name of the toughest sheriff
> in America. His style was congruent to Trump's-a con.

Whatever his style, he was effective. Just like Trump.

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[Dan C]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:17:00 +0200, Jack Fate wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:54 -0500, JackPineSavage <m...@privacy.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-
trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/
>>
>>
>> I don't know much about the sheriff. But what little I have read
>> causes me to wish him well -- and hope he continues being a good man.
>>
>>
>>
> He is not a good man. He is a criminal.

Nope, not a criminal. He's pardoned. Like it never even happened.

He did nothing wrong in the first place, except anger a Libtard-legislate-
from-the-bench "judge". Fuck you, judge.

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[Dan C]

I'd say the same thing about your support for Crazy Bernie.

Or Killary.

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[bfla...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 4:23:22 PM UTC-7, Dan C wrote:

> He did nothing wrong in the first place, except anger a Libtard-legislate-
> from-the-bench "judge". Fuck you, judge.

Dancy, you ignorant slut...The Judge that ruled that Arpaio violated
a judge's order was appointed by Bush. Hardly a "Libtard-legislate-
from-the-bench "judge".

A better argument, and the one Arpaio's lawyer is now putting forth, is
that Arpaio's request be heard before a jury which was denied. My guess
is that Arpaio's popularity in Maricopa County would have resulted in
acquittal. He was very popular with a significant section of the electors
and is now fund raising to pay off ~$700000 in lawyer fees. It is reported
that he has already raised about ~$500000. You may want to donate.

[El Castor]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT), bfla...@gmail.com wrote:

Arpaio was rounding up illegal aliens in a county that is just a few
miles from the border. So he was profiling "Mexican types". Probably
not too many Swedish illegal aliens on the Mexican border. His real
sin was in rounding up illegals in a country where one side of the
aisle wants open borders.

[bfla...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 1:33:22 AM UTC-7, El Castor wrote:
> Arpaio was rounding up illegal aliens in a county that is just a few
> miles from the border. So he was profiling "Mexican types". Probably
> not too many Swedish illegal aliens on the Mexican border. His real
> sin was in rounding up illegals in a country where one side of the
> aisle wants open borders.

Not exactly.

What Arpaio was doing (or what he ordered his deputies to do) was
to stop drivers who may or may not have committed traffic offences
and ask about their citizenship- not if they had a driver's license,
insurance, or registration. He ordered his deputies to do this
especially if the stopee was "Mexican looking" and often without cause.

He also would raid work places and arrest "Mexican looking" workers
demanding documentation. A Judge ordered him to stop these practices.
He didn't. There is no question that many voters in Maricopa County approved
what he was doing. They elected him for many years. This voter approval
was his downfall...he became unable to discern his duties from Federal
responsibilities. Hubris.

[Jack Fate]

Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 14:17:00 +0200, Jack Fate wrote:
>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:08:54 -0500, JackPineSavage <m...@privacy.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/08/25/donald-
> trump-pardons-sheriff-joe-arpaio/599835001/
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know much about the sheriff. But what little I have read
>>> causes me to wish him well -- and hope he continues being a good man.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> He is not a good man. He is a criminal.
>
> Nope, not a criminal. He's pardoned. Like it never even happened.
>
> He did nothing wrong in the first place, except anger a Libtard-legislate-
> from-the-bench "judge". Fuck you, judge.
>
>
>

He is a criminal and another criminal pardoned him. Have fun with the
Trump mafia, asshole.

[Dan C]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 02:45:21 -0700, bflanier wrote:

> On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 1:33:22 AM UTC-7, El Castor wrote:
>> Arpaio was rounding up illegal aliens in a county that is just a few
>> miles from the border. So he was profiling "Mexican types". Probably
>> not too many Swedish illegal aliens on the Mexican border. His real sin
>> was in rounding up illegals in a country where one side of the aisle
>> wants open borders.
>
> Not exactly.

Actually, yes, that was EXACTLY what he did.

>
> What Arpaio was doing (or what he ordered his deputies to do) was to
> stop drivers who may or may not have committed traffic offences and ask
> about their citizenship- not if they had a driver's license, insurance,
> or registration. He ordered his deputies to do this especially if the
> stopee was "Mexican looking" and often without cause.
>
> He also would raid work places and arrest "Mexican looking" workers
> demanding documentation. A Judge ordered him to stop these practices.
> He didn't. There is no question that many voters in Maricopa County
> approved what he was doing. They elected him for many years. This voter
> approval was his downfall...he became unable to discern his duties from
> Federal responsibilities. Hubris.

So, "looking" for illegal aliens is wrong? It's illegal?

How can you leftys be so wrong on so many issues?

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[Dan C]

Wrong, and wrong. Lie, and lie.

> Have fun with the Trump mafia, asshole.

Oh, I am. So are my 401(k) and IRAs. Fucking glorious!

--
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"Bother!" said Pooh, as he dressed up like Santa and grabbed his axe.

[Dan C]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 18:08:34 -0700, bflanier wrote:

> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 4:23:22 PM UTC-7, Dan C wrote:
>
>> He did nothing wrong in the first place, except anger a
>> Libtard-legislate-
>> from-the-bench "judge". Fuck you, judge.
>
> Dancy, you ignorant slut...The Judge that ruled that Arpaio violated a
> judge's order was appointed by Bush. Hardly a "Libtard-legislate-
> from-the-bench "judge".

The asshole who filed the contempt charges, yes. Judge G. Murry Snow.

However....

The ignorant slut judge who ruled him guilty was a Slick Willy appointee,
named Susan R. Bolton. Don't tell me politics had nothing to do with the
whole process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Ritchie_Bolton

>
> A better argument, and the one Arpaio's lawyer is now putting forth, is
> that Arpaio's request be heard before a jury which was denied. My guess
> is that Arpaio's popularity in Maricopa County would have resulted in
> acquittal. He was very popular with a significant section of the
> electors and is now fund raising to pay off ~$700000 in lawyer fees. It
> is reported that he has already raised about ~$500000. You may want to
> donate.

Exactly. Wonder why he didn't get a jury trial. Hmmmmmm......

I'm sure that had nothing to do with politics, either.

<EYEROLL>

Fuck off, Libtard.

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[Josh Rosenbluth]

On 8/27/2017 5:50 PM, Dan C wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 02:45:21 -0700, bflanier wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 1:33:22 AM UTC-7, El Castor wrote:
>>> Arpaio was rounding up illegal aliens in a county that is just a few
>>> miles from the border. So he was profiling "Mexican types". Probably
>>> not too many Swedish illegal aliens on the Mexican border. His real sin
>>> was in rounding up illegals in a country where one side of the aisle
>>> wants open borders.
>>
>> Not exactly.
>
> Actually, yes, that was EXACTLY what he did.
>
>>
>> What Arpaio was doing (or what he ordered his deputies to do) was to
>> stop drivers who may or may not have committed traffic offences and ask
>> about their citizenship- not if they had a driver's license, insurance,
>> or registration. He ordered his deputies to do this especially if the
>> stopee was "Mexican looking" and often without cause.
>>
>> He also would raid work places and arrest "Mexican looking" workers
>> demanding documentation. A Judge ordered him to stop these practices.
>> He didn't. There is no question that many voters in Maricopa County
>> approved what he was doing. They elected him for many years. This voter
>> approval was his downfall...he became unable to discern his duties from
>> Federal responsibilities. Hubris.
>
> So, "looking" for illegal aliens is wrong? It's illegal?

Unless the federal government has authorized you to do so, yes (even
assuming for the sake of argument that it is legal to profile Latinos
for detention).

https://tinyurl.com/yddj58h4

[El Castor]

Oh well, Arpaio is 85 and a bit long in the tooth to be sharing a
prison with much younger men he put there, I'm fine with giving him a
get out of jail free card. And yes I know -- but what about this and
what about that. I'm just an unashamed hypocrite.

[Jack Fate]

Dan C wrote:
> Oh, I am. So are my 401(k) and IRAs. Fucking glorious!

That's due to Obama's policies. Trump's "policies" don't start until
October.

[Josh Rosenbluth]

If the argument was his age, then he should have gone through the normal
process. But, Trump pardoned him (without a process at all) because
Trump didn't like the judge's order. It's nice that you admit to being
hypocrite, but do really want that kind of pardon power in the hands of
President Warren?

[El Castor]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 10:45:47 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

Warren, oh my! President Pocahontas (God forbid) will inherit what
goes with the job ... the ability to pardon being one of them.

BTW, Bill Clinton pardoned and commuted nearly 200 assorted thieves,
embezzlers, fraudsters, and bribers. How many of those did you
complain about?

Here's the first batch, less than a year after he took office ...
David Phillip Aronsohn D. Minn. 1961 Failure to pay special
occupational tax on wagering, 26 U.S.C. § 7203
Wanda Kaye Bain-Prentice D. Ariz. 1982 Mail fraud, 18
U.S.C. § 1341
Antonio Barucco U. S. Army general court-martial 1945
Desertion in violation of the 58th Article of War
Kristine Margo Beck D. Idaho 1981 Bank embezzlement, 18
U.S.C. § 656
David Christopher Billmaier D. N. M. 1980 Possession
with intent to distribute amphetamines, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Terry Lee Brown E. D. Ky. 1962 Interstate
transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Joe Carl Bruton N. D. Tex. 1979 Conspiracy to commit
mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Nolan Lynn DeMarce W. D. Wis. 1983 Making false
statements to obtain bank loans, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jimmy C. Dick N. D. Cal. 1976 Conspiracy to manufacture
counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Edward Eugene Dishman W. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud
the United States and Oklahoma counties, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Brenda Kay Engle S. D. Ind. 1983 Conspiracy to commit
theft from interstate shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Mary Theresa Fajer D. Or. 1980 Conspiracy to commit bank
embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2 and 371
Albert James Forte D. D. C. 1973 Making and subscribing
false and fraudulent income tax return, 26 U.S.C. § 7206(1)
Fendley Lee Frazier S. D. Ala. 1965 Interstate
transportation of a stolen motor vehicle, 18 U.S.C. § 2312
Robert Linward Freeland, Jr. N. D. Ind. 1983 Forcible
rescue of seized property, 26 U.S.C. § 7212(b)
Ralph Leon Furst S. D. Cal. 1966 Embezzlement of United
States mail (U.S. Code section not cited)
Barbara Ann Gericke W. D. Wis. 1984 Conspiracy to
introduce contraband into federal prison, 18 U.S.C. §§ 371 and 1791
Billy Joe Gilmore N. D. Tex. 1982 Mail fraud and aiding
and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 2
Loreto Joseph Iafrate N. D. W. Va. 1976 Failure to record
receipt of firearms, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(m) and 924(a)
Carl Bruce Jones W. D. Mo. 1983 Distribution of
marijuana and use of telephone to facilitate marijuana distribution,
18 U.S.C. § 2 and 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and 843(b)
Candace Deon Leverenz N. D. Cal. 1972 Unlawful distribution
of LSD, 21 U.S.C. §§ 841(a)(1) and (b)(1)(B)
George William Lindgren S. D. N. Y. 1975 Bank
embezzlement, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Brian George Meierkord C. D. Ill. 1983 Making false statement
to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 1014
Jackie Lee Miller N. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud
the United States, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Joseph Patrick Naulty E. D. Pa. 1980 Carrying away goods
moving as part of foreign shipment, 18 U.S.C. § 659
Theodore Roosevelt Noel N. D. Ala. 1972 Selling
whiskey in unstamped containers and making false statement in the
acquisition of firearms from licensed dealer; 26 U.S.C. § 5604(a)(1)
and 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(a)(6) and 924(a)
Mary Louise Oaks M. D. La. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud
the government with respect to claims, 18 U.S.C. § 286
Robert Paul Padelsky D. Utah 1980 Misapplication of bank
funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Elizabeth Amy Peterson D. Nev. 1985 Conspiracy to make
false statements to bank, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Susan Lauranne Prather W. D. Ark. 1975 Causing marijuana to
be transported through the mail, 21 U.S.C. § 843(b)
Gary Lynn Quammen W. D. Wis. 1976 Misapplication of bank
funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Robert Ronal Raymond D. Conn. 1972 Conspiracy to
manufacture, receive, possess, and sell firearms silencers, 18 U.S.C.
§ 371
Elizabeth Hogg Rushing N. D. Ga. 1978 Misapplication of bank
funds, 18 U.S.C. § 656
Marc Alan Schaffer S. D. N. Y. 1968 Submission of false
statements to Selective Service System Local Board, 50 U.S.C. Appendix
§ 462(a)
Roy Aaron Smith E. D. Tex. 1982 Misprision of a
felony, 18 U.S.C. § 4
Diane Dorothea Smunk D. S. D. 1984 Embezzlement by
government employee, 18 U.S.C. § 641
Thomas Peter Stathakis D. S. C. 1976 Selling and delivering
firearms to out-of-state resident and falsifying firearms records; 18
U.S.C. §§ 922(b)(3), 922(m), and 924(a)
Kathleen Vacanti C. D. Cal. 1979 Conspiracy to defraud
the United States by obtaining payment of false claims, presenting
false claims to the United States, forging a writing, and aiding and
abetting; 18 U.S.C. §§ 2, 286, 287, and 495
Pupi White W. D. Mo. 1985 Making false statement on
United States passport application, 18 U.S.C. § 911
Charles Coleman Wicker E. D. Mo. 1975 Conspiracy to conduct
illegal gambling business, 18 U.S.C. § 371
Roderick Douglas Woods S. D. Miss. 1982 Misappropriation of
bank funds and aiding and abetting, 18 U.S.C. §§ 656 and 2
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-pardons

Of course the famous Marc Rich was not included in that batch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

[Josh Rosenbluth]

I complained about Marc Rich.

The pardoning of those who have committed crimes are typically not made
for political reasons (Rich being an exception, there are others) nor
threaten the independence of the judiciary. Trump's pardon does the
latter because he did it simply because he didn't like the decision. If
that became the norm, we would have a big problem.

[GLOBALIST]

I guess you did not hear Pres Trump compare this incident to
all the murderers, drug lords and crooks that
Obama pardoned. Unbelievable
And you think this old sheriff is bad? Ha ha ha ha

[GLOBALIST]

Thanks for posting this list
These are real criminals,
not misdemeanors
I did not see the cross dresser that Obama
released from prison, who committed
espionage and released tons of classified
documents to the entire world.

[Jack Fate]

GLOBALIST wrote:
> I guess you did not hear Pres Trump compare this incident to
> all the murderers, drug lords and crooks that
> Obama pardoned

Name one. You fucking can't.

[Dan C]

How do *YOU* know that's why he did it?

Is it possible he did it because Arpaio did what he wants the country to
do, which is to tighten borders and STOP illegal immigration?

What is it about *ILLEGAL* immigration that you libs can't seem to
understand? You don't realize that being here *ILLEGALLY* is.......
*ILLEGAL*???

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he stuck a pin in Hillary's implants.

[Dan C]

He was the Sherriff of a border state with Mexico. He was trying to curb
*ILLEGAL* immigration.

What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he scrambled his partition table.

[Dan C]

WRONG again! Strike three!

Fuck off and mind your own country's business, spaniard.

Better yet, kill yourself.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he wondered why he bothered to answer.

[Jack Fate]

Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 12:33:41 +0200, Jack Fate wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> Oh, I am. So are my 401(k) and IRAs. Fucking glorious!
>>
>> That's due to Obama's policies. Trump's "policies" don't start until
>> October.
>
> WRONG again! Strike three!

Ever hear of a fiscal year? Obama's ends in a little over a month and
that's when Trump's budget kicks in. You struck out again, not me,
bigoted racist.

>
> Fuck off and mind your own country's business, spaniard.

I mind the planet's business. You should too but that would require that
you have a decent education and a much higher IQ.

>
> Better yet, kill yourself.
>
>
>

I'll probably outlive you.

[El Castor]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:25:20 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

Obama pardoned and commuted well over a thousand, including numerous
drug dealers. His drug pardons (330 in one batch) were clearly because
he didn't agree with the law. By the way, one of his pardonees
murdered a family of three after Obama turned him loose.

Trump pardons an 85 year old sheriff? Yawn.

[El Castor]

Sorry, I would have posted Obama's list, but it was so long my news
server provider probably would have given me the boot. Even Clinton's
list is a small fraction.

[Josh Rosenbluth]

I think excessive punishment for non-violent drug offenders provides a
sound basis for a commutation (but not a pardon).

> Trump pardons an 85 year old sheriff? Yawn.

It's not about an 85-year-old sheriff. It's about issuing a pardon
based on 1) wanting local people to break federal law by taking
immigration into the their own hands, and 2) rewarding people who say
nice things about Trump, including doing some birther work for him (it's
always about whether you like or hate Trump that drives Trump). Those
are serious abuses that go beyond Trump.

You get why we need Freedom of Speech (so that a liberal government
can't abuse conservatives and a conservative government can't abuse
liberals). Yet, you fail to see why this pardon sets a precedent that
can be used as a club against conservatives in the future.

[El Castor]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:32:48 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

Since when did the Left need a Republican precedent before acting?

[Josh Rosenbluth]

On 8/29/2017 10:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:32:48 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

{snip}

>>> Trump pardons an 85 year old sheriff? Yawn.
>>
>> It's not about an 85-year-old sheriff. It's about issuing a pardon
>> based on 1) wanting local people to break federal law by taking
>> immigration into the their own hands, and 2) rewarding people who say
>> nice things about Trump, including doing some birther work for him (it's
>> always about whether you like or hate Trump that drives Trump). Those
>> are serious abuses that go beyond Trump.
>>
>> You get why we need Freedom of Speech (so that a liberal government
>> can't abuse conservatives and a conservative government can't abuse
>> liberals). Yet, you fail to see why this pardon sets a precedent that
>> can be used as a club against conservatives in the future.
>
> Since when did the Left need a Republican precedent before acting?

Have I accurately captured your argument below?

1) Regardless of whether Trump pardoned Arpaio, the Left is going to use
the pardon power in a similar fashion that Trump did to hammer
Republicans in the future

and therefore

2) we can ignore Trump's pardon as merely one that impacted an 85
year-old sheriff rather than an abuse of the pardon power, rather than
as an abuse used to hammer Democrats.

[El Castor]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:12:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

No. My reasoning is really not that complex. The last two Democrat
presidents (pejorative intended) pardoned and/or commuted thousands of
thieves, drug dealers, embezzlers, forgers, tax dodgers, smugglers,
money launderers, fraudsters, a traitor or two, and even Marc Rich.
And Trump pardoned an 85 year old sheriff accused of a misdemeanor. Oh
wow, as far as I'm concerned, that is barely worth a yawn.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/29/2017 1:51 PM, Jack Fate wrote:

> I'll probably

"...but I will no longer be posting here. No one here is going to change
so, basically, I'm wasting the little time I have left by posting to
this obscure little group full of stupid bigoted and racist Trump
lovers."

[Josh Rosenbluth]

As I said earlier, I agree with you about Rich. But, it is too bad you
cannot see the important difference between all those others (not the
least of which are that most were commutations, not pardons - and
Republican presidents do likewise) and Arpaio. I attempted to present a
future hypothetical to show why Arpaio is different, but you are too
wrapped up in partisanship (as evidenced by your continued use of the
pejorative) to see. And that's doubly sad because this pardon is a
Trumpian thing, not a conservative or Republican thing.

I am hoping at some point true conservatives and mindful Republicans
will disavow Trump. I'm guessing they haven't yet because of the
electoral backlash from Trump's base.

[bfla...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 1:36:17 PM UTC-7, Dan C wrote:
> He was the Sherriff of a border state with Mexico. He was trying to curb
> *ILLEGAL* immigration.
> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?

Once again, Dancy, you ignorant slut, Arpaio was sheriff of Maricopa
County which does not border Mexico. (Another sheriff in Pima County
which does not border Mexico, tried similar). Arpaio's duties as Sheriff
did not include curbing "illegal immigration" nor rounding up "illegals"
during traffic stops. His sole duties were to enforce Maricopa County
laws which, bye the bye, in many cases he didn't do.

> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?

That was determined by a Bush appointed Judge who ruled that was
exactly what he was doing which was against the law. If you want to
opinionate on a subject, give it a try to get your facts straight.

[El Castor]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:30:39 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

And you consider yourself to be non-partisan?

[Josh Rosenbluth]

No. But when a case is clear as this one (as the Rich case was), I can
see past my partisan bias to the correct conclusion.

[Dan C]

How come you don't reply, Josh Rosenbluth?

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he declared his horse a Senator.

[Dan C]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:46:29 -0700, bflanier wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 1:36:17 PM UTC-7, Dan C wrote:
>> He was the Sherriff of a border state with Mexico. He was trying to
>> curb *ILLEGAL* immigration.
>> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?
>
> Once again, Dancy, you ignorant slut, Arpaio was sheriff of Maricopa
> County which does not border Mexico. (Another sheriff in Pima County
> which does not border Mexico, tried similar). Arpaio's duties as
> Sheriff did not include curbing "illegal immigration" nor rounding up
> "illegals" during traffic stops. His sole duties were to enforce
> Maricopa County laws which, bye the bye, in many cases he didn't do.

You stupid fuck piece of shit. Fuck off and die, doofus.

>
>> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?
>
> That was determined by a Bush appointed Judge who ruled that was exactly
> what he was doing which was against the law. If you want to opinionate
> on a subject, give it a try to get your facts straight.

Wrong. I already replied in another post about the truth regarding the
judges involved in railroading Arpaio.

Fuck off, dimwit.

--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

"Bother!" said Pooh, as he found Earl in his honey pot.

[El Castor]

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:58:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

No comparison with the Rich case. Arpaio was doing the job the feds
should have been doing -- but like the Berkeley cops, the feds were
looking the other way because the politicians made it clear that was
what they expected them to do. Trump had a perfect right to do what he
did. Don't like it? You Democrats had eight years of Obama to get
serious about the border, and you failed to even try -- then you gave
the voters a candidate like Hillary Clinton. You won't get any
sympathy from me.

[Josh Rosenbluth]

Just like in my hypothetical, the abortion clinic owner was doing the
job the police should have been doing ... not! Arpario was flouting the
rule of law and this pardon sends the message - unlike any other pardon
ever - the President condones flouting the rule of law.

[GLOBALIST]

Our present head of the Justice Dept has given permission for ALL
law enforcement officers to check for legal status.
He has even made some of the deputies of the sheriff depts
to be deputies of the immigration dept. (duo-purpose)

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"Dan C" wrote in message
news:pan$66cdd$b59992cd$48d73bf5$719e...@moria.lan...

On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:46:29 -0700, bflanier wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 1:36:17 PM UTC-7, Dan C wrote:
>> He was the Sherriff of a border state with Mexico. He was trying to
>> curb *ILLEGAL* immigration.
>> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?
>
> Once again, Dancy, you ignorant slut, Arpaio was sheriff of Maricopa
> County which does not border Mexico. (Another sheriff in Pima County
> which does not border Mexico, tried similar). Arpaio's duties as
> Sheriff did not include curbing "illegal immigration" nor rounding up
> "illegals" during traffic stops. His sole duties were to enforce
> Maricopa County laws which, bye the bye, in many cases he didn't do.

You stupid fuck piece of shit. Fuck off and die, doofus.

>
>> What *ACTUAL* *EVIDENCE* do you have that he "profiled" anyone?
>
> That was determined by a Bush appointed Judge who ruled that was exactly
> what he was doing which was against the law. If you want to opinionate
> on a subject, give it a try to get your facts straight.

Wrong. I already replied in another post about the truth regarding the
judges involved in railroading Arpaio.

Fuck off, dimwit.

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

I just tell you - I just love how Dancy Baby shows again and again just how
astute and able a student he Fancy Baby is of the Octopus Village Idiot of
that well known Village Idiot "Look here, not there" ploy, employing as he
Dancy Baby does here in that well known octopus like tactic of throwing out
clouds of distracting and really irrelevant words by castigating yet again
the messenger and ignoring the issue raised by bflanier. But then - really,
what else can you expect from Dancy Baby when he Dancy Baby cannot at all -
as well evidenced here - address directly the issue at hand?

[GLOBALIST]

Bet me , in a week, no one will be even talking about this
petty topic.

[El Castor]

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 07:36:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

You are so immersed in your partisan politics that you can ignore
endless streams of pardons of egregious law breakers by Democrat
presidents. That is the real message of this thread.

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:12d30759-32f9-4d50...@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:37:05 AM UTC-5, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 8/31/2017 1:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:58:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> > <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/30/2017 5:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:30:39 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/30/2017 12:31 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:12:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/29/2017 10:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:32:48 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

/snip - follow the thread/

Our present head of the Justice Dept has given permission for ALL
law enforcement officers to check for legal status.
He has even made some of the deputies of the sheriff depts
to be deputies of the immigration dept. (duo-purpose)

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

Please, Village idiot, do be more explicit with your Village Idiot words.
With your most clearly evidenced time after time after time abysmally shitty
shitty English, it really is as difficult as can be to understand that which
you the Village Idiot are saying.
By "has given permission" do you the Village idiot mean:
- suggested/advised/recommended/wishfully thought
or
- legally compelled?

If the latter, Village idiot, please cite the relevant Federal law/executive
order/decree/SCOTUS decision that in actual fact federalized "ALL law
enforcement officers" to so require them to enforce federal laws.

Please clarify, Village idiot.
Ha Ha Ha

wups...and again do we have the Village idiot performing his same-o same-o
boring Intellectual Coward ploy to run away, of course with his tail high
between his legs, back into that deep dark despicable same-o same-o hole of
his under his rock!

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:12d30759-32f9-4d50...@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 9:37:05 AM UTC-5, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 8/31/2017 1:32 AM, El Castor wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:58:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> > <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/30/2017 5:44 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 14:30:39 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/30/2017 12:31 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:12:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8/29/2017 10:59 PM, El Castor wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Aug 2017 17:32:48 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> >>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

/snip - follow the thread/

Our present head of the Justice Dept has given permission for ALL
law enforcement officers to check for legal status.
He has even made some of the deputies of the sheriff depts
to be deputies of the immigration dept. (duo-purpose)

***** This line separates my response from the foregoing ******

Here the Village Idiot says:
"He has even made some of the deputies of the sheriff depts to be deputies
of the immigration dept. (duo-purpose)"

Given that this be the case, Village idiot, are such sheriff deputies
eligible for Federal employee benefits such as pay, health care, and
pensions? And what federal employee pay grade do such sheriff deputies
working for the Federal government have?
http://gogovernment.org/government_101/pay_and_the_general_schedule.php

Please clarify, Village Idiot.
ha ha ha

And now the Village idiot - in order to run away from the issue - will again
perform for us his same-o same-o boring Intellectual Coward ploy, of course
with his tail high between his legs, back into that deep dark dismal same-o

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

Chuckle chuckle chuckle

I just tell you...talk about the Octopus Village Idiot teaching Dancy Baby
his Village Idiot tried and true "Look here and not there" ploy and - lo and
behold! - the Village Idiot himself pops up with - you guessed it! - an
honest to goodness, as real as can be, undeniable "Look here, not there"
ploy of his very very own!

"not there"
- "...how Dancy Baby shows again and again just how astute and able a

student he Fancy Baby is of the Octopus Village Idiot of that well known
Village Idiot "Look here, not there" ploy, employing as he Dancy Baby does
here in that well known octopus like tactic of throwing out clouds of
distracting and really irrelevant words by castigating yet again the
messenger and ignoring the issue raised by bflanier. "

- "But then - really, what else can you expect from Dancy Baby when he Dancy

Baby cannot at all - as well evidenced here - address directly the issue at
hand?"

"Look here"
- "Bet me , in a week, no one will be even talking about this petty topic."

Ha Ha Ha

wups...and again does the Village idiot perform for us his same-o same-o
boring Intellectual Coward ploy to run away, of course with his tail well
hidden high between his legs, back into that deep dark dirty same-o same-o

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

OK, Village idiot - I openly admit that you got me again.
Do explain, Village idiot, why do I have to wait a whole week as indicated
by your Village Idiot words here before I place that bet with you?

Please clarify, Village idiot.

Oh look - the Village Idiot is again performs for us his same-o same-o
boring Intellectual Coward ploy to run away, of course with his tail most
carefully placee high between his legs, back into that deep dark damp same-o

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

Ha Ha Ha!!
Behold how the Village Idiot again entertain us all with his crappy crappy
English!

You, Village Idiot, are so very very *F*U*N*N*Y* with your crappy crappy
English!

Why, Village Idiot, are you with your crappy crappy English still in this
country?

wups...just look at the Village Idiot run away again from the issue of his
crappy crappy English by performing yet another Intellectual Coward ploy, of
course with his tail barely perceivable between his legs this time, back
into that deep dark diseased hole of his under his rock!

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

OK, Village Idiot - I give up.
To which "petty topic" are you the Village Idiot referring?
- Dancy Baby being such an excellent student of your very own "Look here,
not there" ploy?
- Dancy Baby attacking the messenger and not the message?
- Dancy Baby clearly not being able (just like you, Village Idiot) to
directly address the issue at hand?
- Dancy Baby saying of bflanier
o "Fuck off, dimwit"?
o "You stupid fuck piece of shit"?
o "Fuck off and die, doofus"?
- bflanier saying
o "Once again, Dancy, you ignorant slut, Arpaio was sheriff of Maricopa
County which does not border Mexico."?
o "Arpaio's duties as Sheriff did not include curbing "illegal
immigration" nor rounding up "illegals" during traffic stops."?
o "His sole duties were to enforce Maricopa County laws which, bye the
bye, in many cases he didn't do."?
o "That was determined by a Bush appointed Judge who ruled that was
exactly what he was doing which was against the law."?

Please clarify, Village Idiot.
ha ha ha

I really am amazed, Village Idiot, that you the Village Idiot - even after
all these years - clearly still expect your readers to be skilled in wishful
thinking - your "intent" and mindreading combo. Well the truth still
remains, Village idiot, that even after all these years there are those of
us here - and I myself am clearly one of them - who utterly, absolutely, and
completely fail at this wishful thinking thing in which you the Village
Idiot continue to excel. Tell us, Village idiot, do you give lessons in
this wishful thinking as you the Village idiot clearly do in your "Look
here, not there" ploy? The reason I ask, Village idiot, is that while it is
amply clear - given the many folks here (like Dancy Baby) who practice your
"Look here, not there" ploy - that there are indeed students/followers of
you the Village Idiot in your "Look here, not there" ploy, there is no other
person here that practices your wishful thinking.

wups..and there goes the Village idiot again performing for us his same-o
same-o boring Intellectual Coward ploy to run away, of course with his tail
meticulously placed exactly between his two legs, back into that deep dark
dung filled same-o same-o hole of his under his rock!

[Lawrence Akutagawa]

"GLOBALIST" wrote in message
news:44aa5245-733b-470a...@googlegroups.com...

OK, Village Idiot, I'll bite.
First, what is the nature of this bet?
Is it perhaps that the loser must not at all post here on soc.retirement for
the next 12 calendar months?
Please clarify, Village Idiot.

Second, what is the criteria for determining the winner of this bet?
Is it perhaps the existence of a post - any post - here in soc.retirement on
The Whining Donald's pardoning Arpaio?
Please clarify, Village idiot.

Third, do I really have to wait a whole week before placing this bet with
you?
If so, why so?

Please clarify, Village Idiot.

ha ha ha

wups...and again does the Village idiot - after challenging me to a bet -
perform his same-o same-o boring Intellectual Coward ploy to run away from
the details of this bet of his, of course with his splendid tail most
carefully held high between his legs, back into that deep dark dungeon like

[Josh Rosenbluth]

My comments apply to Democratic and Republican pardons of the past. So,
how am I being partisan?

[El Castor]

On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:41:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth

In that case, Trump just did what the law allows, and a fraction of
what other presidents have done before him. Relax, and find something
real to complain about. Trump is far from perfect, but I am sick of
the left parsing every word he says and going nuts when Melania gets
on a plane bound for Texas wearing heels.

[Josh Rosenbluth]

On 9/1/2017 1:38 AM, El Castor wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 17:41:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

{snip}

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/28/2017 3:33 AM, Jack Fate wrote:

> October.

[El Castor]

On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:57:10 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <no...@nowhere.com>

I am relieved to hear you are non-partisan.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/27/2017 3:44 AM, Jack Fate wrote:

> asshole.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/29/2017 4:21 AM, Jack Fate wrote:

> Name one.