C.P. Addition: Joan de Ufford (living 1330), wife of Richard de Weyland, Knt., and John de Bavent, Knt.

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Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 426–427 (sub Burghersh) has a good account of Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh [died 1369]. Regarding his first marriage, the following information is provided:

"He married, 1stly, before 10 May 1335, Cicely, daughter and heiress of Richard of Weyland, of whose age proof was then made, having livery of her lands. She was living August 1354." END OF QUOTE.

In footnote a and b on page 427, the author provides the following documentation for the above statements: Calendar of Close Rolls, 1333-1337, p. 393, and Calendar of Papal Letters, vol. iii, pp. 528, 537.

The Close Rolls reference can be viewed at the following weblink:

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924091767875#page/n405/mode/2up

This record reads as follows:

"1335. May 10. To John Moriz, escheator in Ireland. Order to cause Bartholomew son of Bartholomew de Burghersh and Cicely his wife, daughter and heir of Richard de Weyland, tenant in chief of the late king, to have full seisin of all the lands of which Richard was seised at his death in his demesne as of fee, because Cicely has proved her age before Robert de Holewell, escheator of cos. Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridge, Huntingdon, Essex and Hertford, and the king has taken the fealty of Bartholomew for all the said lands." END OF QUOTE.

The Papal Letters reference can be viewed at the following weblink:

pg. 528: Date: 4 Non. Aug. [2 August 1354]. Indult to choose confessors, who shall give them, being penitent, plenary remission at the hour of death:

Bartholomew de Burwasch, knight, and Cicely his wife, of the diocese of Canterbury [Cal. Pet. i.261].

pg. 537: Date: 4 Non. Aug. [2 August 1354]. To Bartholomew de Borewasch the younger and his wife Cicely. Indult to have mass celebrated before daybreak.

See the following weblinks:

https://books.google.com/books?id=FdoLAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA528

https://books.google.com/books?id=FdoLAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA537

A related entry to the above papal indults can be found in Bliss, Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers: Petitions 1 (1896): 261. This record was not cited by Complete Peerage. It reads as follows:

Date: 1354. 4 Non. Aug. [2 August 1354].
"Bartholomew de Borewasch the younger, baron. For license to have divine offices celebrated by their priests before him and his wife Cecilia. Granted. Villeneuve by Avignon, 4 Non. Aug. [2 August] ... That he and his wife may choose their confessors, who shall absolve them in all cases not reserved to the apostolic see. Granted. Dated as above. For faculty to his confessor to give him plenary remission at Easter. Granted at the hour of death. Dated as above." END OF QUOTE.

The above record may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://books.google.com/books?id=QaFBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA261

Thus we see that Sir Bartholomew de Burgersh married (1st) before 10 May 1335, Cecily de Weyland, daughter and heiress of Richard de Weyland, and that Cecily was still living 2 August 1354.

Reviewing the original Complete Peerage account, Cecily de Weyland is there stated to be the daughter of Richard de Weyland, but no mention is made of her mother. That Richard de Weyland was survived by a widow, Joan, is proven by Cal. of Patent Rolls, 1317-1321 (1903), which reads as follows:

Date: 7 March 1420. "Joan, late the wife of Richard de Weylaund, staying in England, has letters nominating Simon de Criketot her attorney in Ireland for two years." END OF QUOTE.

The above record may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015031081139;view=1up;seq=441

In 2008 John P. Ravilious posted conclusive evidence here on the newsgroup that Sir Richard de Weyland's wife was Joan de Ufford, daughter of Robert de Ufford, Knt., 1st Lord Ufford [died 1316], and sister of Robert de Ufford, K.G., 1st Earl of Suffolk [died 1369]. Mr. Ravilious' detailed post may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/Ravilious$20Weyland$20Ufford$20Dunwich%7Csort:date/soc.genealogy.medieval/Na8J8SlBuIw/BjnLXqTznz4J

Recently I found conclusive evidence which indicates that Joan de Ufford, widow of Sir Richard de Weyland, married (2nd) John de Bavent, Knt. The evidence consists of two Common Pleas lawsuits, in which Joan, then wife of John de Bavent, sued for her dower rights in known Weyland family property.

l. In Trinity term 1330 John de Bavent and Joan his wife sued the Abbot of Saint Edmund’s, custodian of the lands and heir of Richard de Weyland, regarding a moeity of one messuage, lands, and rent in Onehouse, Finborough, and Blaxhall, Suffolk, and Denise widow of Roger de Colvill regarding one moiety of one messuage, lands, and rent and the advowson of the church of Little Welnetham, Suffolk, which they claimed as the dower of the said Joan. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/282, image 122f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no282/aCP40no282fronts/IMG_0122.htm).

2. In Michaelmas term 1330 John de Bavent and his wife, Joan, sued William Sturmy, custodian of the land and heir of Richard de Weyland, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding half of one messuage and land in Ash, Norfolk, which the said Joan claimed as her dower. Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/283, image 372f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no283/aCP40no283fronts/IMG_0372.htm).

Joan de Ufford and Sir John de Bavent were evidently married as early as Easter term 1327, which is proven by another Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1327 and 1328 which show John de Bavent was then lord of several Weyland family manors, doubtless in right of his wife's dower:

In 1327 and 1328 John de Bavent sued Robert le Palmere, of Kersey, Suffolk, and Thomas atte Watre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time Robert was his bailiff in Onehouse, Suffolk and Thomas was his bailiff in Blaxhall, Wantisden, Middleton, Cockfield (in Witnesham), and Onehouse, Suffolk. In 1328 John de Bavent sued the same parties in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time the said Robert was his bailiff in Onehouse, Suffolk and the said Thomas was his receiver of money. Reference: Index of Placita de Banco 1327–1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 32) (1910): 601.

In summary, we see that Joan de Ufford, sister of Robert de Ufford, K.G., 1st Earl of Suffolk, married (1st) Richard de Weyland, Knt. [died 1320], by which marriage she had one daughter, Cecily de Weyland, wife of Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh. Joan married (2nd) before Easter term 1327 (date of lawsuit) John de Bavent, Knt. She was living as late as Michaelmas term 1330 (date of lawsuit). He was living in 1337.

For interest's sake, I've copied below my current file account of Sir Richard de Weyland and his wife, Joan de Ufford. My documentation is included with this account.

The following is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Joan de Ufford and her 1st husband, Sir Richard de Weyland:

Robert Abell, William Asfordby, William Bladen, George & Nehemiah Blakiston, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Edward Bromfield, Kenelm Cheseldine, Grace Chetwode, St. Leger Codd, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Digges, William Farrer, John Fisher, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Warham Horsmanden, Matthew Kempe, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Anne, Elizabeth, & John Mansfield, Anne & Katherine Marbury, John and Margaret Nelson, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Katherine Saint Leger, William Skepper, Diana & Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, Amy Wyllys.

Do you descend from Joan de Ufford? If so, I'd like to hear from you here on the newsgroup. If possible, I'd appreciate if you would post your line of descent from Joan de Ufford down to your immigrant ancestor.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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RICHARD DE WEYLAND, Knt., of Blaxhall, Cockfield (in Witnesham), Le Fenhale (in Onehouse), Middleton, and Wantisden, Suffolk, son and heir, born about 1290 (aged 22 in 1312). He married JOAN DE UFFORD, daughter of Robert de Ufford, Knt., 1st Lord Ufford, by Cecily, daughter and co-heiress of Robert de Valoines, of Ixworth and Walsham, Suffolk. They had one daughter, Cecily (wife of Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh). As “Sir Richard de Weyland,” he witnessed a charter of his mother-in-law, Cecily de Ufford, widow, in 10 Edward II [1316–17]. In 1317 he nominated Thomas de Westhale his attorney in Ireland for two years. In 1319 Robert de Saxmundeham, parson of the church of Blaxhall, Suffolk, complained that Richard de Weyland and others forcibly entered his dwelling place at Blaxhall, Suffolk, broke the doors of his house, and carried away his goods. SIR RICHARD DE WEYLAND died shortly before 7 March 1320, on which date the king ordered Edmund de Hakelut, escheator of Ireland, to take into the king’s hand the lands late of Richard de Weylaund, deceased, tenant in chief.. On the same date his widow, Joan, staying in England, had letters nominating Simon de Criketot her attorney in Ireland for two years. In 1320 Edmund de Bermingham, bachelor to the king, asked to be granted £20 worth of the lands of Richard de Weylonde in Ireland during the minority of the heir or to be granted a sum of money ... in consideration of his good service against the Scots and Irish. On 16 Nov. 1320 the king granted William de Wellesleye, king’s yeoman, £20 a year out of the extent of the lands and tenements of Richard de Weyland, tenant in chief, in the county of Waterford, by reason of the minority of the heir. In 1320 the Abbot of St. Edmund sued Cecily, widow of Robert de Ufford, in the Court of Common Pleas that she render to him custody of her grand-daughter, Cecily, daughter and heiress of Richard de Weyland. In 1327 and 1328 Cecily daughter of Richard de Weylaund sued Alexander de Saxmundham, parson of Chiselford, and Peter de Grimeston, chaplain, vouchees of Joan late the wife of Richard de Weylaund in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Blaxhall, Suffolk. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) before Easter term 1327 (date of lawsuit) JOHN DE BAVENT, Knt., in right of his wife, of Blaxhall, Cockfield (in Witnesham), Le Fenhale (in Onehouse), Middleton, and Wantisden, Suffolk. In 1327 and 1327 he sued Robert le Palmere, of Kersey, Suffolk, and Thomas atte Watre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time Robert was his bailiff in Onehouse, Suffolk and Thomas was his bailiff in Blaxhall, Wantisden, Middleton, Cockfield (in Witnesham), and Onehouse, Suffolk. In 1328 he sued the same parties in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time the said Robert was his bailiff in Onehouse, Suffolk and the said Thomas was his receiver of money. In 1330 John de Bavent and Joan his wife sued the Abbot of Saint Edmund’s, custodian of the lands and heir of Richard de Weyland, regarding a moeity of one messuage, lands, and rent in Onehouse, Finborough, and Blaxhall, Suffolk, and Denise widow of Roger de Colvill regarding one moiety of one messuage, lands, and rent and the advowson of the church of Little Welnetham, Suffolk, which they claimed as the dower of the said Joan. On 27 June 1330 he and Sir Robert de Ufford witnessed a grant made at Woodstock by Hugh de Turpyton, Knt., to Robert Cokerel, of Ireland. In Michaelmas term 1330 he and his wife, Joan, sued William Sturmy, custodian of the land and heir of Richard de Weyland, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding half of one messuage and land in Ash, Norfolk, which the said Joan claimed as her dower. In 1332 he and Robert de Ufford, Knt., served as mainpernors for Robert de Vere who had been detained in the Tower of London. He was granted protection in 1337, he then going with Robert de Ufford, Earl of Suffolk, beyond seas on the king’s service. At her death, Lady Joan de Weyland, “sister of the Earl of Suffolk,” was buried at Grey Friars in Dunwich Dunwich Priory, Suffolk.

References:

Weever, Antient Funeral Monuments (1767): 460. Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 4 (1775): 341; 8 (1808): 155–158. Taylor, Index Monasticus (1821): 103. C.P.R. 1334–1338 (1895): 527. C.C.R. 1330–1333 (1898): 150, 602. Rye, Cal. Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 128. C.P.R. 1317–1321 (1903): 33, 61, 343, 390, 429, 521. Index of Placita de Banco 1327–1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 641. Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 2 (1908): 124; 3 (1909): 32–33 (author erroneously identifies Richard de Weyland as brother [not son ] of John de Weyland). Index of Placita de Banco 1327–1328 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 32) (1910): 601, 641. Cal. Fine Rolls 3 (1912): 18. Annalecta Hibernica 34 (1987): 28. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/236, image 105f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E2/CP40no236/aCP40no236fronts/IMG_0105.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/282, image 122f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no282/aCP40no282fronts/IMG_0122.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/283, image 372f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no283/aCP40no283fronts/IMG_0372.htm). National Archives, SC 8/82/4055 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.ukwww.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).

Child of Richard de Weyland, Knt., by Joan de Ufford:

1) CECILY DE WEYLAND, married BARTHOLOMEW DE BURGHERSH, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh [see BURGHERSH 13].

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My comments are interspersed below. DR

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 2:24:48 PM UTC-6, celticp...@gmail.com wrote:

< That Richard de Weyland was survived by a widow, Joan, is proven by Cal. of < Patent Rolls, 1317-1321 (1903), which reads as follows:
>
> Date: 7 March 1420. "Joan, late the wife of Richard de Weylaund, staying in < England, has letters nominating Simon de Criketot her attorney in Ireland
< for two years." END OF QUOTE.

This record is actually dated 7 March 1320, not 1420. Mea culpa.

< Joan de Ufford and Sir John de Bavent were evidently married as early as
< Easter term 1327, which is proven by another Common Pleas lawsuit dated 1327 < and 1328 which show John de Bavent was then lord of several Weyland family
< manors, doubtless in right of his wife's dower:

< In 1327 and 1328 John de Bavent sued Robert le Palmere, of Kersey, Suffolk, < and Thomas atte Watre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable
< account of the time Robert was his bailiff in Onehouse, Suffolk and Thomas
< was his bailiff in Blaxhall, Wantisden, Middleton, Cockfield (in Witnesham), < and Onehouse, Suffolk.

References:

Date: Easter 1327 Court of Common Pleas, CP40/269, image 89f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no269/aCP40no269fronts/IMG_0089.htm).

Date: Trinity 1328 Court of Common Pleas, CP40/274, image 88f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no274/aCP40no274fronts/IMG_0088.htm).

< In 1328 John de Bavent sued the same parties in the Court of Common Pleas
< regarding a reasonable account of the time the said Robert was his bailiff
< in Onehouse, Suffolk and the said Thomas was his receiver of money.

Reference:

Date: Michaelmas 1328.
Court of Common Pleas, CP40/274, image 88f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no275/aCP40no275fronts/IMG_0176.htm).

[joe...@gmail.com]

Thank you greatly appreciated as always.

[celticp...@gmail.com]

Dear Newsgroup ~

In my previous two posts, I discussed the evidence regarding the parentage of Cecily de Weyland, 1st wife of Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh. I identified Cecily de Weyland as the daughter of Sir Richard de Weyland [died 1320], by his wife, Joan de Ufford, daughter of Robert de Ufford, Knt., 1st Lord Ufford. I noted that Cecily's mother, Joan de Ufford, married (2nd) Sir John de Bavent.

In my last post, I inadvertedly gave the wrong Common Pleas reference for the following lawsuit:

In 1328 John de Bavent sued the same parties in the Court of Common Pleas
regarding a reasonable account of the time the said Robert was his bailiff
in Onehouse, Suffolk and the said Thomas was his receiver of money.

The correct citation for this lawsuit is:

Court of Common Pleas, CP40/275, image 176f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no275/aCP40no275fronts/IMG_0176.htm).

In my first post, I noted that the Abbot of St. Edmunds sued Cecily, widow of Robert de Ufford, in the Court of Common Pleas in 1320 that she render to him custody of her grand-daughter, Cecily, daughter and heiress of Richard de Weyland.

The reference for this lawsuit is:

Court of Common Pleas, CP40/236, image 105f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E2/CP40no236/aCP40no236fronts/IMG_0105.htm).

I further stated that prior to her marriage to Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, Cecily daughter of Richard de Weylaund in 1327 and 1328 sued Alexander de Saxmundham, parson of Chiselford, and Peter de Grimeston, chaplain, vouchees of Joan late the wife of Richard de Weylaund in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Blaxhall, Suffolk.

Inasmuch as Cecily de Weyland was then still a minor, all four actions below regarding this suit were accordingly filed on her behalf by her guardian, Henry de Redenhale.

The references for this ongoing lawsuit is:

1. Date: Hilary 1327.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/268, image 3f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no268/aCP40no268fronts/IMG_0003.htm).

2. Date: Hilary 1328.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/272, image 4f (available at
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no272/aCP40no272fronts/IMG_0004.htm).

3. Date: Easter 1328.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/273, image 77d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no273/bCP40no273dorses/IMG_0077.htm).

4. Date: Michaelmas 1328.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/275, image 557f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E3/CP40no275/aCP40no275fronts/IMG_0557.htm).

[billmc...@zeteky.com]

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 3:24:48 PM UTC-5, celticp...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 426–427 (sub Burghersh) has a good account of Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh [died 1369]. Regarding his first marriage, the following information is provided:
>

> Do you descend from Joan de Ufford? If so, I'd like to hear from you here on the newsgroup. If possible, I'd appreciate if you would post your line of descent from Joan de Ufford down to your immigrant ancestor.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>

Douglas:

In response to your request for descent lines from Joan to our immigrant ancestors, I am posting the following. Because of a great deal of inter-marriage among a few families, I actually have five descent lines to separate immigrant ancestors. I am also very interested in hearing from any group members if you see errors:

1st
Joan de Ufford b. after 1298?, d. after 1330
+Sir Richard de Weyland of Blaxhall, Cockfield, Le Fenhale, Middleton and Wantisden
b. circa 1290, m. before 1315?, d. 1320

Cicely de Weyland b. after 1315?, d. after 2 Aug 1354
+Sir Bartholomew II de Burghersh, K.G. and 4th Lord Burghersh b. circa 1325?, m. before 10 May 1335, d. circa 1375?

Elizabeth de Burghersh b. before May 1342 in Herefordshire, England, d. 26 Jul 1409
+Sir Edward Despencer, Baron Despencer b. 24 Mar 1336 in Rutlandshire, England, m. before 2 Aug 1354 in Rutlandshire, England, d. 11 Nov 1375 in Glamorganshire, Wales

Margaret le Despencer b. circa 1365 in Rutlandshire, England, d. 3 Nov 1415
+Sir Robert de Ferrers, 5th Baron Ferrers b. between 13 Oct 1357 and 31 Oct 1359 in Staffordshire, England, m. before 1386 in Staffordshire, England,
d. 12 Mar 1412

Edmund de Ferrers, 6th Baron Ferrers b. circa 1387 in Staffordshire, England, d. 17 Dec 1435
+Ellen (Eleanor) de la Roche b. circa 1394 in Warwickshire (now West Midlands), England, m. circa 1408, d. 4 Nov 1440

Margaret Ferrers b. 1413 in Staffordshire, England, d. 29 Jan 1487
+John Beauchamp, Justice of S. Wales and Lord Treasurer of England b. between 1409 and 1412 in Worcestershire, England, m. 1434 in Worcestershire, England, d. before 9 Apr 1475 in Worcestershire, England

Richard de Beauchamp, Lord Beauchamp b. circa 1435 in Somersetshire, England, d. 19 Jan 1502
+Elizabeth Stafford b. 1435 in Worcestershire, England, m. 27 Jan 1466 in Worcestershire, England, d. circa 1485?

Anne de Beauchamp b. circa 1470 in Worcestershire, England, d. 22 Jun 1534
+Sir Richard I Lygon of Madresfield b. circa 1466 in Worcestershire, England, m. before 1490 in England, d. 1 May 1512 in Worcestershire, England

Sir Richard II Lygon, Sheriff of Worcestershire b. circa 1490 in Worcestershire, England, d. 20 Mar 1556 in Worcestershire, England
+Margaret Greville b. circa 1497 in Worcestershire, England, m. circa 1507?, d. 1542 in Worcestershire, England

Elizabeth Lygon b. after 1508 in Worcestershire, England, d. circa 1560?
+Thomas Curzon II b. circa 1490 in Derbyshire, England, m. before 1529?,
d. 22 Apr 1540

Thomas Curzon III, Clerk of the Controller b. before 1530 in Oxfordshire, England, d. 1555 in Bedfordshire, England
+Agnes Hussey b. circa 1530? in Dorsetshire, England, m. before 1554?,
d. circa 1580? in Hertfordshire, England

Mary Curzon, Heiress of Westoning b. before 1555 in Oxfordshire, England, d. before 12 Oct 1626 in Northamptonshire, England
+Sir George Fermor of Easton Neston b. after 1545 in Northamptonshire, England, m. 12 Sep 1570, d. 1 Dec 1612 in Northamptonshire, England

Thomas Farmer I, Ancient Planter b. after 1586 in Northamptonshire, England, d. between 1657 and 1665 in (now Chesterfield County), Virginia Colony
+Joan Unknown b. before 1610? in Berkshire, England, m. before 1634?,
d. circa 1660? in Virginia Colony?

2nd
Joan de Ufford
+Sir Richard de Weyland

Cicely de Weyland
+Sir Bartholomew II de Burghersh, K.G. and 4th Lord Burghersh

Elizabeth de Burghersh
+Sir Edward Despencer, Baron Despencer

Margaret le Despencer
+Sir Robert de Ferrers, 5th Baron Ferrers

Philippe de Ferrers b. between 1393 and 1395 in Staffordshire, England, d. circa 1457
+Sir Thomas Greene V, Sheriff of Northamptonshire b. 10 Feb 1400 in Northamptonshire, England, m. before 1408? in Northamptonshire, England, d. 18 Jan 1461 in Northamptonshire, England

Sir Thomas Greene VI b. between 1408 and 1421 in Northamptonshire, England, d. between 1457 and 1462 in Northamptonshire, England
+Maud (Matilda) Throckmorton b. between 1415 and 1422 in Warwickshire, England, m. before 1430?, d. 1496 in Northamptonshire, England

Sir Thomas Greene VII b. between 1430 and 1445 in Warwickshire, England, d. before 1475 in Warwickshire, England
+Marina Beler b. between 1438 and 1450 in Leicestershire, England, m. before 1459?, d. 10 Sep 1489

Sir Thomas Green VIII of Boughton and Greens Norton b. between 1459 and 1470 in Northamptonshire, England, d. between 9 Nov 1506 and 18 Dec 1506 in Northamptonshire, England
+Jane (Joan) Fogge b. between 1468 and 1475 in County Kent, England, m. before 1489?, d. circa 1520? in Northamptonshire, England

Anne Green b. circa 1489 in Northamptonshire, England, d. before 1523 in Northamptonshire, England
+Sir Nicholas Vaux of Harrowden, 1st Baron Vaux and Sheriff of Northamptonshire b. circa 1460 in Northamptonshire, England, m. before 29 Jan 1508 in Northamptonshire, d. 14 May 1523 in Middlesex, England

Maud Vaux b. circa 1520 in Northamptonshire, England, d. 14 Apr 1569 in Northamptonshire, England
+Sir John Fermor of Easton Neston, Sheriff of Northamptonshire b. after 1517 in possibly Northamptonshire, England, m. between 1540 and 1544,
d. 12 Dec 1571 in England

Sir George Fermor of Easton Neston
+Mary Curzon, Heiress of Westoning

Thomas Farmer I, Ancient Planter
+Joan Unknown

3rd
Joan de Ufford
+Sir Richard de Weyland

Cicely de Weyland
+Sir Bartholomew II de Burghersh, K.G. and 4th Lord Burghersh

Elizabeth de Burghersh
+Sir Edward Despencer, Baron Despencer

Elizabeth le Despenser b. circa 1367 in Rutlandshire, England, d. 11 Apr 1408 in England
+Sir John fitz Alan, 2nd Baron d'Arundel b. 30 Nov 1364 in Sussex, England, m. before 1385, d. 14 Aug 1390

Sir John II fitz Alan, K.B. and 13th Earl of Arundel b. 1 Aug 1385 in Buckinghamshire, England, d. 21 Apr 1421 in Sussex, England
+Alianore (Eleanor) Berkeley b. circa 1390 in Gloucestershire, England,
m. before 1407, d. 1 Aug 1455 in Wiltshire, England

Sir William fitz Alan, K.G. and 16th Earl of Arundel b. 23 Nov 1417 in Sussex, England, d. after Sep 1487 in Sussex, England
+Joan Neville b. circa 1425 in County Durham, England, m. after 17 Aug 1438, d. before 9 Sep 1462 in Sussex, England

William II fitz Alan b. circa 1445 in Sussex, England, d. before 1500?
+unknown spouse

Susan (Suzanne) fitz Alan b. circa 1470 in Sussex, England, d. circa 1520?
+James Berkeley b. after 1466 in Gloucestershire, England, m. before 1500, d. after 1515

Mary Berkeley b. after 1500 in England, d. circa 1550?
+Sir Thomas Jones, Sheriff of Carmarthenshire and Cardigan b. before 1492 in Herefordshire, England, m. before 1532, d. before 26 Jun 1559 in Carmarthenshire, Wales

Sir Henry Jones b. circa 1535 in Carmarthenshire, Wales, d. circa 1585?
+Elizabeth Herbert b. circa 1545 in Glamorganshire, Wales, m. circa 1565 in Wales, d. before 1570?

Sir Thomas Jones b. after 1565 in Carmarthenshire, Wales, d. May 1604 in Carmarthenshire, Wales
+Jane Puleston b. circa 1567 in England, m. before 1584?, d. after 1622

Rowland Jones I b. before 1585? in possibly Buckinghamshire, England, d. 1666? in Buckinghamshire, England
+Elizabeth Martin b. between 1575 and 1590 in Dorsetshire, England, m. 1607 in Buckinghamshire, England, d. circa 1630?

Rev. Rowland Jones II b. 1608 in Buckinghamshire, England, d. 1 Sep 1665 in Buckinghamshire, England
+Alice Bannister b. circa 1607 in Buckinghamshire, England, m. before 1630? in Oxfordshire, England, d. 1655 in Buckinghamshire, England

John Jones b. 8 Mar 1638 in England, d. before 6 Jul 1697 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia Colony
+Anne Smith b. before 1650 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia Colony, m. before 1670? in Isle of Wight County, VA, d. Jan 1706 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia Colony

4th
Joan de Ufford
+Sir Richard de Weyland

Cicely de Weyland
+Sir Bartholomew II de Burghersh, K.G. and 4th Lord Burghersh

Elizabeth de Burghersh
+Sir Edward Despencer, Baron Despencer

Sir Thomas le Despenser, Earl of Gloucester and K.G. b. 22 Sep 1373 in Rutlandshire, England, d. 13 Jan 1400 in Gloucestershire, England
+Constance Plantagenet (granddaughter of Edward III), b. circa 1374 in West Riding, Yorkshire, England, m. before 1395, d. 28 Nov 1416 in Berkshire, England

Isabel le Despenser, Baroness Burghersh b. 26 Jul 1400 in Glamorganshire, Wales, d. 27 Dec 1439 in Middlesex, England
+Sir Richard de Beauchamp, K.B. and Earl of Worcester b. before 1397 in Monmouthshire, Wales, m. 27 Jul 1411 in Gloucestershire, England, d. 18 Mar 1422 in Seine-Maritime, Normandy, France

Elizabeth Beauchamp, Baroness Bergavenny b. 16 Sep 1415 in Worcestershire, England, d. 18 Jun 1448 in Monmouthshire, Wales
+Sir Edward de Neville, K.G., 3rd Baron Neville and Lord Abergavenny b. before 1417 in County Durham, England, m. before 18 Oct 1424, d. 18 Oct 1476 in Monmouthshire, Wales

Sir George Neville, 4th Baron Abergavenney (Bergavenny) b. circa 1440 in County Durham, England, d. 20 Sep 1492 in Sussex, England
+Margaret Fenne b. 1444 in Norfolk, England, m. circa 1466 in Norfolk, England, d. 28 Sep 1485 in Sussex, England

Elizabeth Neville b. after 1466 in Monmouthshire, Wales, d. circa 1510 in Gloucestershire, England
+Sir Thomas Berkeley of Beverstone b. between 1456 and 1462 in Gloucestershire, England, m. before 1486?, d. after 1500 in Hampshire, England

Elizabeth Berkeley b. circa 1500 in Gloucestershire, England, d. circa 1550?
+Sir George Herbert of Swansea b. circa 1500 in Herefordshire, England, m. before 1519?, d. 1570 in Herefordshire, England

Mathew Herbert b. circa 1525 in Glamorganshire, Wales, d. circa 1575?
+Mary Gamage b. circa 1527 in Glamorganshire, Wales, m. before 1545? in Glamorganshire, Wales, d. circa 1575?

Elizabeth Herbert
+Sir Henry Jones

Sir Thomas Jones
+Jane Puleston

Rowland Jones I
+Elizabeth Martin

Rev. Rowland Jones II
+Alice Bannister

John Jones
+Anne Smith

5th
Joan de Ufford
+Sir Richard de Weyland

Cicely de Weyland
+Sir Bartholomew II de Burghersh, K.G. and 4th Lord Burghersh

Elizabeth de Burghersh
+Sir Edward Despencer, Baron Despencer

Elizabeth le Despenser
+Sir John fitz Alan, 2nd Baron d'Arundel

Sir Thomas fitz Alan de Arundel b. circa 1390 in Surrey, England, d. 1 Oct 1485
+Joane Moyns b. between 1390 and 1402 in Surrey, England, m. before 1418?, d. circa 1450?

Eleanor fitz Alan de Arundel b. circa 1418 in Surrey, England, d. circa 1470?
+Sir Thomas Browne, Treasurer to the Household of Henry VI b. circa 1402 in Surrey, England, m. 1432, d. 20 Jul 1460 in England

Sir George Browne of Betchworth, Sheriff of Kent b. circa 1439 in Surrey, England, d. 3 Dec 1483 in England
+Elizabeth Paston b. between 1428 and 1430 in Norfolk, England, m. circa 1471 in Surrey, England, d. 1 Feb 1488 in Surrey, England

Sir Matthew Browne of Betchworth, Sheriff of Surrey b. circa 1473 in Surrey, England, d. 6 Aug 1557
+Fredeswith (Fridiswide) Guildford b. after 1480 in County Kent, England, m. circa 1500? d. circa 1530?

Henry Browne b. circa 1502 in Surrey, England, d. circa 1557 in Surrey, England
+Katherine Shelley b. circa 1512 in Hampshire, England, m. after 1530 in England, d. 25 Dec 1560 in Surrey, England

Sir Thomas Browne b. circa 1540 in Surrey, England, d. 9 Feb 1596 in Surrey, England
+Mabel fitz William b. between 1536 and 1550? m. between 1564 and 1568, d. after 1574?

Matthew Browne b. 1574 in Surrey, England, d. 4 Aug 1603 in Surrey, England
+Jane Vincent b. circa 1575 in Surrey, England, m. circa 1594 in England, d. after 1629 in Surrey, England

First Immigrant Generation
Capt./Col. Henry Browne of Four Mile Tree b. between 1598 and 1610 in England, d. circa 1662 in Surry County, Virginia Colony
+Anne Flood b. circa 1602 in County Kent, England, m. circa 1622 in England, d. 12 Aug 1668 in Surry County, Virginia Colony

Additional Immigrant Marriages
Mary Browne b. before 1635? in possibly Surry County, Virginia Colony, d. before 1680 at Surry County, Virginia Colony
+Col. William Browne I; Sheriff, Justice and Burgess of Surry County b. between 1625 and 1630 in Surrey, England, m. before 1650? in probably Surry County, Virginia Colony, d. 1705 in Surry County, Virginia Colony

Jane Browne b. before 1650? in Surry County, Virginia Colony, d. between 1682 and 1705 in probably Surry County, Virginia Colony
+Capt. Robert Spencer b. circa 1630 in England, m. before 1664 in Surry County, Virginia Colony, d. 1 Mar 1679 in Surry County, Virginia Colony

Elizabeth Spencer b. before 1664 in possibly Surry County, Virginia Colony, d. Mar 1760 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia Colony
+Sir John Long b. 1662 in possibly Oxfordshire, England, m. before 1680? in Virginia Colony, d. 7 Jul 1752 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia Colony

Mary Long b. after 1680 in Lower Norfolk (now Norfolk City) County, Virginia Colony, d. after 2 Nov 1742 in possibly King William or Spotsylvania County, Virginia Colony
+Capt. John H. Hawkins, British Royal Navy b. 14 Nov 1680 in Devonshire, England, m. between 1698 and 1706, d. between 1740 and 1742 in Essex or King William County, Virginia Colony

Bill McDonald

[leslie...@gmail.com]

The Heralds Visitation for Northamptonshire lists fourteen children
for George Farmer & Mary Curzon.
They had no son named Thomas:

https://books.google.com/books?id=wLgEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=visitation+northamptonshire&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjxsZuSns_dAhUj2oMKHd-6D00Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=curzon&f=false

Leslie

[leslie...@gmail.com]

A better link:

https://books.google.com/books?id=wLgEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA87&dq=hatton+farmer+sheriff+elizabeth&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQhbTS1tDdAhWLy4MKHYv-CxIQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=hatton%20farmer%20sheriff%20elizabeth&f=false


Leslie

[celticp...@gmail.com]

Dear Newsgroup ~

Below is a line of descent from King William the Conqueror down to Cecily de Weyland (living 1354), wife of Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh. Further particulars can be found in my book, Royal Ancestry (5 volume set), published in 2013.

l. William the Conqueror, King of England, married Maud of Flanders.
2. Henry I, King of England, by a mistress, _____.
3. Robert Fitz Roy, 1st Earl of Gloucester, married Mabel Fitz Robert.
4. William Fitz Robert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester, married Hawise of Leicester.
5. Amice of Gloucester, married Richard de Clare, Knt., Earl of Hertford
6. Maud de Clare, married William de Brewes, of Bramber, Sussex.
7. John de Brewes, of Bramber, Sussex, married Margaret of Wales.
8. Richard de Brewes, Knt., of Stinton (in Salle), Norfolk, married Alice le Rus.
9. Mary de Brewes, married John de Weyland, Knt., of Blaxhall, Suffolk.
10. Richard de Weyland, Knt., of Blaxhall, Suffolk, married Joan de Ufford.
11. Cecily de Weyland, married Bartholomew de Burghersh, K.G., 4th Lord Burghersh.

[Adrian Channing]

> Matthew Browne b. 1574 in Surrey, England, d. 4 Aug 1603 in Surrey, England
> +Jane Vincent b. circa 1575 in Surrey, England, m. circa 1594 in England, d. after 1629 in Surrey, England
>
> First Immigrant Generation
> Capt./Col. Henry Browne of Four Mile Tree b. between 1598 and 1610 in England, d. circa 1662 in Surry County, Virginia Colony
> +Anne Flood b. circa 1602 in County Kent, England, m. circa 1622 in England, d. 12 Aug 1668 in Surry County, Virginia Colony
>

Matthew Browne had no son Henry