Marriage date of Hawise de London and her first husband, Walter de Brewes
Douglas Richardson
King Henry IV of England, the head of the Lancastrian dynasty which
ruled England between 1399 and 1471, numbered among his direct
ancestors, Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Knt. (died 1258), of Kempsford,
Gloucestershire, North Standen (in Hungerford), Berkshire, King’s
Somborne, Hampshire, etc., and his wife, Hawise, daughter and heiress
of Thomas de London. Sir Patrick and his wife, Hawise, are likewise
ancestors to numerous 17th Century New World immigrants.
Sir Patrick de Chaworth was actually Hawise de London's third
husband. Before marrying Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Hawise de London
was previously married (1st) to Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) (died
1234), younger son of William de Brewes (or Breuse), of Bramber,
Sussex, by Maud, daughter of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford; and
(2nd) Henry de Turberville (died 1240), of Cottesey, Norfolk,
Seneschal of Gascony, Warden and Lord of Isle of Guernsey. The first
two marriages of Hawise de London appear to have been childless.
The three marriages of Hawise de London are mentioned in the correct
order in the book, Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan 3
(1b) (1976): 125. A snippet view of this information may be viewed
at the following weblink:
The above source implies Hawise de London was married to her first
husband, Walter de Brewes, from 1223 to 1234. While it is true that
Walter de Brewes died shortly before 14 Jan. 1234, this couple were
actually married a bit earlier than 1223.
Reviewing the Pipe Rolls for King Henry III which have been published
in recent time, I find that the Pipe Roll for Michaelmas 1221 shows
that William Crassus paid £100 to the king to have custody of the
lands which were Thomas de London, together with the marriage of
Hawise daughter and heiress of the said Thomas de London [Reference:
Crook, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1221 (Pubs. Pipe Roll Soc.
n.s. 48) (1990): 92]. William Crassus evidently did not have the
opportunity to arrange the marriage of his young ward, however, as in
the next year, the Pipe Roll for Michaelmas 1222 indicates that Eve de
Tracy, mother of Hawise de London, was fined 200 marks for having
given her daughter, Hawise, in marriage without the king’s license
[Reference: Knight, Great Roll of the Pipe Michaelmas 1222 (Pubs. Pipe
Roll Soc. n.s. 51) (1999): 220].
Thus, it would seem that Hawise de London and Walter de Brewes were
married shortly before Michaelmas 1222, not in 1223. Even so, Hawise
de London must have been extremely young at the time of her first
marriage, as her parents can't have married before 1210. We can be
certain of this because Hawise de London's mother, Eve Fitz Warin, was
married to her first husband, Oliver de Tracy, of Barnstaple, Devon
until 1210. So Hawise de London was at best ten or eleven years old
when her mother married her off to Walter de Brewes.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
John Watson
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> King Henry IV of England, the head of the Lancastrian dynasty which
> ruled England between 1399 and 1471, numbered among his direct
> ancestors, Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Knt. (died 1258), of Kempsford,
> Gloucestershire, North Standen (in Hungerford), Berkshire, King’s
> Somborne, Hampshire, etc., and his wife, Hawise, daughter and heiress
> of Thomas de London. Sir Patrick and his wife, Hawise, are likewise
> ancestors to numerous 17th Century New World immigrants.
>
> Sir Patrick de Chaworth was actually Hawise de London's third
> husband. Before marrying Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Hawise de London
> was previously married (1st) to Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) (died
> 1234), younger son of William de Brewes (or Breuse), of Bramber,
> Sussex, by Maud, daughter of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford; and
> (2nd) Henry de Turberville (died 1240), of Cottesey, Norfolk,
> Seneschal of Gascony, Warden and Lord of Isle of Guernsey. The first
> two marriages of Hawise de London appear to have been childless.
>
> The three marriages of Hawise de London are mentioned in the correct
> order in the book, Inventory of the Ancient Monuments in Glamorgan 3
> (1b) (1976): 125. A snippet view of this information may be viewed
> at the following weblink:
>
Dear Douglas,
The fine paid by Eve de Tracy for marrying her daughter Hawise without
licence is dated some time in June 1222:
June 1222, Wiltshire. To the sheriff of Wiltshire. Eva de Tracy has
made fine with the king by 200 m., which is to be rendered at the
terms given to her, for the trespass she made towards the king in that
she married Hawise, her daughter, whose marriage pertained to the
king, without licence. Order to receive pledges from Eva for rendering
the 100 m. to the king at the terms given to her, and he is, with
haste, under his seal, to cause the barons of the Exchequer to know
the names of the pledges and for how much each of them will be pledge.
The king has also given command to the sheriff of Devon to receive
pledges from Eva for the other 100 m. Witness as above. By the bishop
of London.
Calendar of Fine Rolls, 6 Henry 3
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_016.html#it206_004
Walter de Braose had married Hawise before 6 July 1223 when the king
granted him Thomas de London's lands:
6 July 1223, Pro Waltero de Braosa. Rex omnibus hominibus de honore de
Kedewelli, et de Cadewathlan, tenentibus de herede Thome de London,
salutem. Sciatis quod concessimus et dedimus Waltero de Braosa
maritagium Hawisie filie et heredis predicti Thome, ita quod eam duxit
in uxorem de voluntate et licencia nostra. Et ideo vobis mandamus quod
ei tanquam domino ejusdem honoris in omnibus intendentes sitis et
respondentes. In cujus rei etc. Teste H. etc. [apud Wigorniam, vj die
Julii, anno regni nostri vij]
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry 3, Vol 1, p 376
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h3v1/body/Henry3vol1page0376.pdf
Regards,
John
Doug Thompson
On 30/12/08 01:19, in article
48429c67-3833-412b...@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com, "Douglas
Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
>
> Sir Patrick de Chaworth was actually Hawise de London's third
> husband. Before marrying Sir Patrick de Chaworth, Hawise de London
> was previously married (1st) to Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) (died
> 1234), younger son of William de Brewes (or Breuse), of Bramber,
> Sussex, by Maud, daughter of Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford; and
> (2nd) Henry de Turberville (died 1240), of Cottesey, Norfolk,
> Seneschal of Gascony, Warden and Lord of Isle of Guernsey. The first
> two marriages of Hawise de London appear to have been childless.
>
Hello Douglas
I've never been convinced about the Turberville marriage for Hawise.
How does that sit with this extract
1241-2 The Great Pipe Roll, Walterus de Brahus et Hawisia uxor ejus xl s.
pro injusta detentione. (Glos)
It looks to me that Walter was alive in 1241/2 which takes us much more
neatly up to Hawise's marrige to Patrick de Chaworth before 19 Dec 1243.
Doug Thompson
Douglas Richardson
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
The first Fine Rolls item you posted indicates that that Hawise de
London and Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) had married by June 1222, when
the king ordered that Hawise's mother pay a fine of 200 marks for
having married Hawise, a ward of the king, without the king's
license. This fine is mentioned in the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas
1222.
The second Fine Rolls item you posted indicates that the king had
granted Hawise's lands to her husband, Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) 6
July 1223. This is not the date of Hawise and Walter's marriage.
Rather, it was the date that Hawise was considered to be capable of
running a household (the "cove and key" principle). Even so, Hawise
can at best been 12 years old, which is young even for medieval times.
In a related vein, Sidney Painter's book, Feudalism and Liberty
(1961), pg. 241 mentions that the king ordered that the Sheriff of
Berkshire seize into the king's hands all the land of Fulk Fitz Warin,
Eve de Tracy and her sister (presumably Eugenia Fitz Warin, wife of
William Mauduit) because they were "detaining the daughter and heiress
of Thomas de London who ought to be in the king's custody." See the
following weblink for a snippet view of that information:
http://books.google.com/books?id=vd54AAAAIAAJ&q=Eve+Tracy+sister&dq=Eve+Tracy+sister&pgis=1
I can't tell the date of this record, but I imagine the king's order
dates from sometime between Michaelmas 1221, when the king granted the
marriage to Hawise de London to William Crassus, and June 1222, when
Hawise's mother, Eve de Tracy, was fined as noted above. Presumably
the king ordered Eve de Tracy to turn her daughter over to William
Crassus, and Eve refused to do so.
Eve de Tracy was the sister of Fulk Fitz Warin, which explains why she
is associated with him in this record. Both Eve and Fulk held lands
in Berkshire.
wjhonson
> The second Fine Rolls item you posted indicates that the king had
> granted Hawise's lands to her husband, Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) 6
> July 1223. This is not the date of Hawise and Walter's marriage.
> Rather, it was the date that Hawise was considered to be capable of
> running a household (the "cove and key" principle). Even so, Hawise
> can at best been 12 years old, which is young even for medieval times.
>
Hang on.
We know that there were cases where females were placed in a contract
before they were even 12, and we know cases where those contracted
were sent to live with their future husband because of this.
If that future husband was himself already "of age", I don't see the
need to make Hawise 12 years old. The lands are being granted to him,
not to them.
Will Johnson
Douglas Richardson
Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
I believe the evidence is good that Hawise de London married (2nd)
Henry de Turberville, Seneschal of Gascony, Warden and Lord of Isle of
Guernsey.
I show that Hawise and Henry were married before 1238, when he was
granted free warren and a market at East Garston, Berkshire, which
manor was part of her London inheritance. Henry de Turberville died
shortly before 23 Jan. 1240, when his widow, Hawise, was assigned
dower in his Devonshire lands. Henry and Hawise had no issue.
You can find mention made of Henry de Turberville's marriage to Hawise
de London in VCH Berkshire, 4 (1924): 247-251. This material may be
viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62710&strquery=Turberville%20Garston
Since Hawise de London lived until 1274, you should be able to find
some record which associates Hawise with her Turberville dower lands
in Devonshire sometime between 1240 and 1274.
As for the Pipe Roll item dated 1241-2 which you mentioned, this item
was probably carried over as a charge from earlier years, or perhaps
it was misdated by someome who copied the reference from the Pipe
Rolls. The only way to know for certain would be to check the Pipe
Rolls for the period, 1234-1242. VCH Berkshire, however, states that
Walter de Brewes "was dead in 1234." The source it cites is: Cal.
Close Rolls, 1231–1234, pg. 447. Have you checked that source?
Douglas Richardson
On Dec 30, 10:22 pm, wjhonson <wjhon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hang on.
Hang onto what?
> We know that there were cases where females were placed in a contract
> before they were even 12, and we know cases where those contracted
> were sent to live with their future husband because of this.
You paid no attention to my statement that the king had granted the
lands of Thomas de London to William Crassus in 1221. William Crassus
paid a hefty sum for this grant. He would have continued to hold the
lands until the heir came of age, not when she was married. A woman
came of age when it was adjudged she was capable of running a
household, not at age 21. Hence, for the king to grant the lands to
Hawise's husband implies that she (not her husband) was considered to
be of age. A husband could hold his wife's lands before he was 21,
but not his own lands, except until special grants.
> Will Johnson
John Watson
> Dear John ~
>
> Thank you for your good post. Much appreciated.
>
> The first Fine Rolls item you posted indicates that that Hawise de
> London and Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) had married by June 1222, when
> the king ordered that Hawise's mother pay a fine of 200 marks for
> having married Hawise, a ward of the king, without the king's
> license. This fine is mentioned in the Pipe Rolls for Michaelmas
> 1222.
>
> The second Fine Rolls item you posted indicates that the king had
> granted Hawise's lands to her husband, Walter de Brewes (or Breuse) 6
> July 1223. This is not the date of Hawise and Walter's marriage.
> Rather, it was the date that Hawise was considered to be capable of
> running a household (the "cove and key" principle). Even so, Hawise
> can at best been 12 years old, which is young even for medieval times.
>
> In a related vein, Sidney Painter's book, Feudalism and Liberty
> (1961), pg. 241 mentions that the king ordered that the Sheriff of
> Berkshire seize into the king's hands all the land of Fulk Fitz Warin,
> Eve de Tracy and her sister (presumably Eugenia Fitz Warin, wife of
> William Mauduit) because they were "detaining the daughter and heiress
> of Thomas de London who ought to be in the king's custody." See the
> following weblink for a snippet view of that information:
>
>
> I can't tell the date of this record, but I imagine the king's order
> dates from sometime between Michaelmas 1221, when the king granted the
> marriage to Hawise de London to William Crassus, and June 1222, when
> Hawise's mother, Eve de Tracy, was fined as noted above. Presumably
> the king ordered Eve de Tracy to turn her daughter over to William
> Crassus, and Eve refused to do so.
>
> Eve de Tracy was the sister of Fulk Fitz Warin, which explains why she
> is associated with him in this record. Both Eve and Fulk held lands
> in Berkshire.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Hi Douglas,
Fines from the early part of the reign of Henry III can be found
online at the Henry III Fine Rolls project website which are
searchable by name, place and subject. There is no need for
"snippets".
"The Henry III Fine Rolls Project, funded by the Arts and Humanities
Research Council, commenced in April 2005 and aims to publish the Fine
Rolls of Henry III from 1216 down to 1248. A second research project
has been granted further funding and, running for three years from
April 2008, it will complete publication down to the end of the reign
in 1272."
January 1219,
Berkshire. Order to the sheriff of Berkshire that, immediately after
having viewed these letters, he is to take into the king’s hand all
land in his bailiwick of Fulk fitz Warin and Eva de Tracy and her
sister on account of the son and heir of Thomas of London, who they
detain from the king and who ought to be in the custody of the king.
Witness the earl as above.
It is written in the same manner to the sheriffs of Cambridgeshire,
Wiltshire and Warwickshire and Leicestershire.
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_011.html#it089a_010
Devon. Order to the sheriff of Devon that if the daughter and heiress
of Thomas of London is found in his bailiwick, he is to take her and
keep her safely until the king orders otherwise. If she has been
abducted outside his bailiwick, he is to take into the king’s hand
without delay all land in his bailiwick of Eva de Tracy, her mother.
Witness as above.
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_011.html#it120_009
December 1219,
[No date]. Wiltshire and Berkshire. William Crassus, the first-born,
has made fine with the king by £100 for having the daughter and
heiress of Thomas of London as his wife and the following are his
pledges for the fine: Earl W. Marshal for 50 m. John of Monmouth for
10 m. Fulk fitz Warin for 10 m. Walter of Clifford for 10 m. John of
Earley for 10 m. William de Stuteville for 10 m. John Marshal for 20
m. William de Gamages for 10 m. Hugh de Mortimer for 10 m. Roger of
Clifford for 10 m.
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_012.html#it043_008
21 July 1220. Westminster. Dorset and Somerset. To the sheriff of
Dorset and Somerset. William Crassus has made fine with the king by
£100 for having custody of the lands formerly of Thomas of London,
with the marriage of Hawise, his daughter and heiress. Order to cause
William to have seisin without delay of all lands and tenements
formerly of Thomas in his bailiwick. Witness H. etc.
Berkshire. It is written in the same manner to the sheriff of
Berkshire.
Worcestershire. Order to the sheriff of Worcestershire to cause
William to have the aforesaid Hawise wherever she is in his bailiwick.
Witness as above.
Gloucestershire. The same order to the sheriff of Gloucestershire.
http://www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_012.html#it198_004
Regards,
John
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That the lands were granted by the king is fine.
That a grantee holds the lands regardless of what anybody else does next is
not quite true.
A husband certainly can, and certainly has, gone and said, "Look I'm married
to her, let me hold her lands" and it was so granted. I'm sure you know of
cases like that.
Just consider what happens when a person pays for the grant of the marriage
of an heir and then the heir goes and gets married out from under them. It's
happened. So just the idea that a grant was made, doesn't obviate other
people doing sneaky things in the background to essentially void its purpose.
Which is why the mother paid a fine.
Will Johnson
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Doug Thompson
Thankyou for your helpful reply.
East Garston does seem to hold the key. On reviewing the evidence I now
agree that the 1241 reference must be a record of a longstanding debt.
It's useful to iron out these inconsistencies.
Doug Thompson
On 31/12/08 05:29, in article
d4b393cb-11a1-4e7f...@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com, "Douglas
Matthew Hovius
query. What would have been considered an unusually young age for a
boy to have been married, even assuming the pursuit of lands by the
boy's guardian to have been the goal? I'm looking at a couple married
by 1420 or so: she was a widow who enjoyed her late husband's estates
for life. But the only male I can find who fits this family would have
been about 10 years old. In the experience of other reasearchers
reading this newsgroup - odd, or possible? [Or both?]
Douglas Richardson
Below is the current draft of my material on Hawise de London (died
1274), wife successively of Walter de Brewes, Henry de Turberville (or
Trubleville), Knt., and Patrick de Chaworth, Knt..
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New
World immigrants that descend from Hawise de London and her third
husband, Patrick de Chaworth, Knt.:
Robert Abell, Elizabeth Alsop, William Asfordby, Barbara Aubrey, John
Barclay, Charles Barnes, Anne Baynton, Dorothy Beresford, Richard &
William Bernard, John Bevan, Essex Beville, William Bladen, George &
Nehemiah Blakiston, Joseph Bolles, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile,
Mary Bourchier, George, Giles, & Robert Brent, Stephen Bull, Nathaniel
Burrough, Elizabeth Butler, Christopher Calthorpe, Charles Calvert,
Edward Carleton, Grace Chetwode, James & Norton Claypoole, William
Clopton, St. Leger Codd, Elizabeth Coytemore, James Cudworth, Francis
Dade, Humphrey Davie, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Anne
Derehaugh, Edward Digges, Thomas Dudley, Rowland Ellis, William
Farrer, John Fenwick, John Fisher, Henry Fleete, Edward Foliot, Thomas
Gerard, William Goddard, Muriel Gurdon, Mary Gye, Elizabeth & John
Harleston, Elizabeth Haynes, Warham Horsmanden, Anne Humphrey, Daniel
& John Humphrey, Henry Isham, Edmund Jennings, Edmund, Edward, Richard
& Matthew Kempe, Mary Launce, Hannah, Samuel & Sarah Levis, Thomas
Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Lloyd, Gabriel, Roger & Sarah
Ludlow, Thomas Lunsford, Agnes Mackworth, Anne, Elizabeth & John
Mansfield, Oliver Manwaring, Elizabeth Marshall, Anne Mauleverer,
Richard More, John Nelson, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Joshua & Rebecca
Owen, Thomas Owsley, John Oxenbridge, Richard Palgrave, Herbert
Pelham, Robert Peyton, William & Elizabeth Pole, Henry & William
Randolph, Edward Raynsford, George Reade, William Rodney, Thomas
Rudyard, Katherine Saint Leger, Richard Saltonstall, Anthony Savage,
William Skepper, Diana & Grey Skipwith, Mary Johanna Somerset, John
Stockman, Samuel & William Torrey, Margaret Tyndall, Jemima
Waldegrave, John & Lawrence Washington, Olive Welby, John West, Thomas
Wingfield, Hawte Wyatt, Amy Wyllys, George Yate
Happy New Year everyone!
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
Hawise de London, wife successively of Walter de Brewes, Henry de
Turberville (or Trubleville), Knt., and Patrick de Chaworth, Knt..
HAWISE DE LONDON, daughter and heiress of Thomas de London, of
Kidwelly, Carmarthenshire, Ogmore, Glamorgan, East Garston, Berkshire,
and Hannington, Wiltshire, by Eve, daughter of Fulk Fitz Warin, of
Alveston, Gloucestershire, Tadlow, Cambridgeshire, Alberbury,
Shropshire. Hawise married (1st) shortly before 23 June 1222 WALTER
DE BREWES, 4th son of William de Brewes, by Maud, daughter of Richard
de Clare, Earl of Hertford. They had no issue. Walter was imprisoned
in Corfe Castle, and was released in Jan. 1218. In Michaelmas term
1233 Walter and his wife, Hawise, sued the abbot of Gloucester for the
church of Hannington, Wiltshire. He was Constable of Carmarthen
Castle in 1233. WALTER DE BREWES died before 14 Jan. 1234. Hawise
married (2nd) before 1238 (as his 2nd wife) HENRY DE TURBERVILLE (or
TRUBLEVILLE), Knt., of Bradninch, Devon, Cottesey, Norfolk, etc., and,
in right of his wife, of East Garston, Berkshire, Seneschal of
Gascony, Warden and Lord of Isle of Guernsey, 1230–1232, 1234–1239,
custodian of the Lordship of Glamorgan, 1232. They had no issue. He
emerged late in King John’s reign as a paymaster, when he received
£100 for paying imprests to the knights and serjeants who had gathered
for the siege of Rochester under the king’s leadership. In Feb. 1217
he received the manor of Shrivenham, Berkshire for his sustenance in
the king’s service. During the first, second, and third years of
Henry III’s reign, the regent used him as one of his emissaries in
various parts of England. He was in the army at Stamford in 1218, and
in 1221 and 1223 he received further grants of land to sustain him in
royal service. In July 1223 he was again used as a royal emissary.
In Sept. 1224 he was granted the wardship and marriage rights over the
son and heir of William Fitz Martin. In 1225 he left for Gascony with
the king’s brother, Richard. In 1233 he was granted lands in
Brokehampton (in Kingston) and Combrook, Warwickshire, which the king
formerly granted to his uncle, Ralph de Turberville. In 1238 he was
granted free warren and a market at East Garston, Berkshire. In 1238
King Henry III sent 100 knights under the leadership of Henry de
Turberville to serve in the Emperor’s army in the siege of Brescia.
According to Matthew Paris, Henry de Turberville and his troops gained
renown for their martial abilities during this campaign. SIR HENRY DE
TURBERVILLE died shortly before 23 Jan. 1240, when his widow, Hawise,
was assigned dower in his Devonshire lands. Hawise married (3rd)
before 19 Dec. 1243 PATRICK DE CHAWORTH, Knt., of Kempsford,
Gloucestershire, North Standen (in Hungerford), Berkshire, King’s
Somborne, Stockbridge, etc., Hampshire, Stoke Bruerne,
Northamptonshire, Berwick, Wiltshire, etc., son and heir of Pain de
Chaworth, of Kempsford, Gloucestershire, by his 2nd wife, Gundred,
daughter and heiress of William de la Ferté, of Mereden, Wiltshire.
They had three sons, Pain, Knt., Patrick, Knt. [see LANCASTER 5], and
Hervey, Knt., and three daughters, Emme, Eve (wife of Robert de
Tibetot, Knt.), and Agnes. In 1237 he gave 500 marks to the king to
have livery of lands formerly belonging to his father and his
grandmother, Margery Briwerre (or Brewer), both of whom were dead.
Sometime before 1249 he demised the manor of North Standen (in
Hungerford), Berkshire to Peter Chaceporc. In 1252 he obtained a
license from the king to inclose How Wood located within the bounds of
Bere Forest and convert it into a park. SIR PATRICK DE CHAWORTH died
shortly before 23 Sept. 1258. In 1259 William Fowell, a burgess of
Stockbridge, Hampshire released a claim to damage to his heirs, due to
the erection of a mill at Stockbridge by the said Patrick. In 1260
his widow, Hawise, leased the manor of East Garston, Berkshire, except
the advowson of the church, to Maud Fitz Geoffrey, widow of William de
Cantelowe, Knt., and John Fitz John Fitz Geoffrey for a term of 11
years. Hawise was heiress in 1267 to Mabel de Cantelowe, by which she
inherited an itinerant forge in Dean Forest. Hawise died before 23
Sept. 1274.
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n.s. 56) (2008): 24. National Archives, DL 25/2299—Agreement
(chirograph) between Patrick de Chaworth (Chauz) and Hawise de London,
his wife, and Henry de Tracy, concerning the manor of East Garston,
Berkshire and the advowson of the church. If the said Patrick have no
heirs by the said Hawise, the manor and advowson to revert to the
heirs of Hawise. If Hawise die before she have heirs by the said
Patrick, the manor and advowson, which they have granted to Eve de
Tracy for life, shall revert at the death of the said Eve to Patrick,
for life, and at his death to the heirs of Hawise (abstract of
document available online at http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Henry III Fine Rolls Project (fine of Eve de Tracy dated 23 June 1222
for having married her daughter, Hawise, without license) (abstract of
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www.finerollshenry3.org.uk/cocoon/frh3/content/calendar/roll_016.html#it206_004).
WJho...@aol.com
In a message dated 12/31/2008 8:55:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dominus_...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
the pursuit of lands by the
boy's guardian to have been the goal? I'm looking at a couple married
by 1420 or so: she was a widow who enjoyed her late husband's estates
for life. But the only male I can find who fits this family would have
been about 10 years old>>
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Lord Sir Matthew (if that is your real name) can you give us the exact
specifications by citing the source and quoting what it states.
There are cases where a boy is *contracted* to marry before the age of
reason. And this would be binding until he rejects his proposed bride (or she
him) when he (or she) comes to that age.
Will Johnson
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Doug Thompson
Thanks for posting your full note on Hawise de London. It makes a very
useful summary.
There is a small error I can correct.
You have
" Walter (de Brewes) was imprisoned in Corfe Castle, and was released in
Jan. 1218."
The instruction for the release in Jan 1218 of the sons of 'Willelmus de
Braosa' is given on page 134 of Pat. Rolls Hen III Vol 1.
Peter de Maulay (castellan at Corfe) is instructed to release John and
Giles. But a second letter is sent to Bartholomew de Podio (Seneschal of
Angoulême) ordering the release of Philip and Walter.
It appears then that Walter was held in the castle at Angoulême, rather than
Corfe.
Doug Thompson
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