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OT Edward III Descents for Hon. Maria Archer (1765-1789)
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Brad Verity
Dec 31, 2014, 4:05:40 PM12/31/14
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A very happy New Year to all on SocGenMed. Last week I started my final genealogy project of the year, one that will definitely carry me into the first couple months of 2015: entering the Norfolk article from the 2003 edition of Burke's Peerage into my database. I enjoy studying the Howard family - I've visited Arundel and Framlingham Castles, and hope to someday visit the family's northern abodes, like Castle Howard and Naworth Castle. I'm currently on the branch of the Howards at Corby Castle in Cumberland (pp. 2907-2908). Since the newsgroup seems a little slow at the moment, I figured I'd start up a series of Edward III descents for the various Howard spouses.
First up is Hon. Maria Archer, the first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle (1757-1842), who has a bio in ODNB. Leo has Maria in his Genealogics database, with some ancestry, and only a single line back to Edward III, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116268&tree=LEO
Hon. Maria Archer was born 4 January at Umberslade Hall, Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire, and baptized 31 January 1765 at St Mary Magdalen Church, Tanworth-in-Arden (IGI Batch #P017361). She married Henry Howard on 26 November 1788 at St Andrew Church, Glaston, Rutlandshire, and died a year later, on 9 November 1789 at Corby Castle, with no issue. She was buried at Holy Trinity Church, Wetheral, Cumberland, where there is an elaborate monument to her.
Maria has 15 lines of descent from Edward III, in addition to the one Leo has (which is Line A below). All 16 lines are laid out below, with links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database for each.
Edward III had 4 sons A1, L1, N1 & O1 (see below)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. three times, and had 2 daus A2 & H2, and a son I2 (see below)
2) Joan Beaufort (c.1377-1440) m. 2) Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland (1364-1425), and had a son A3 & two daus D3 & F3 (see below)
A3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury (c.1398-1460) m. Alice Montagu (1406-1462, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus A4 & B4 (see below)
A4) Lady Alice Neville (c.1434-aft.1503) m. Henry Fitzhugh, 6th Lord Fitzhugh (1429-1472), and had
A5) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (1462-bef.1507) m. 1) Sir William Parr of Kendal (1434-1483), and had
A6) William Parr, Baron Parr of Horton (c.1480-1546) m. Mary Salisbury (1484-1555), and had
A7) Maud Parr (c.1507-1559) m. Sir Ralph Lane of Orlingbury (1509-1540), and had
A8) Mary Lane m. Thomas Pigott of Doddershall (1534-1606), and had
A9) Christopher Pigott of Doddershall (c.1558-1613) m. 1) Ursula Pigott, and had
A10) Anne Pigott (1592-1617) m. John Tipping, Heir of Wheatfield Hall (c.1590-1618, descended from Edward I), and had
A11) Sir Thomas Tipping of Wheatfield Hall (1615-1693) m. Elizabeth Beconshaw (1620-1698), and had
A12) Sir Thomas Tipping, 1st Baronet of Wheatfield (1653-1718) m. Anne Cheke (see B12 below), and had
A13) Catherine Tipping (1701-1754) m. Thomas, 1st Baron Archer of Umberslade (1695-1768, descended from Edward I), and had
A14) Andrew, 2nd Baron Archer of Umberslade (1736-1778) m. Sarah West (1741-1801)*, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053652&tree=LEO
A15) Hon. Maria Archer (1765-1789), first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle
*On paper, Sarah West would seem to have at least a couple of descents from Edward III, but closer inspection reveals that they do not pan out. I'll provide details in a follow-up post.
B4) Lady Katherine Neville (c.1442-1504) m. twice, and had a dau A5 & a son C5 (see below)
B5) Cecily Bonville, by 1st husband (1460-1529) m. 1) Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset (c.1456-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
B6) Lady Mary Grey (c.1492-1538) m. Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (see M6 below), and had
B7) Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (by1513-1547) m. Lady Dorothy Hastings (see C7 below), and had
B8) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (1539-1576) m. Lettice Knollys (see J8 below), and had
B9) Lady Penelope Devereux (1563-1607) m. 1) Robert Rich, 1st Earl of Warwick (1560-1619), and had
B10) Lady Essex Rich (c.1588-1658) m. Sir Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (see E9 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062114&tree=LEO
B11) Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (1628-1688) m. 2) Letitia Russell (see G12 below), and had
B12) Anne Cheke (c.1678-1728) m. Sir Thomas Tipping, 1st Baronet of Wheatfield (see A12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053659&tree=LEO
C5) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings, by 2nd husband (1466-1506) m. Mary, Lady Hungerford (see F5 below), and had
C6) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1487-1544) m. Lady Anne Stafford (see D6 below), and had
C7) Lady Dorothy Hastings (c.1520-1566) m. Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (see B7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062069&tree=LEO
D3) Lady Anne Neville (c.1408-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham (see L3 below), and had
D4) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (c.1425-1458) m. Lady Margaret Beaufort (see I4 below), and had
D5) Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham (1455-1483) m. Lady Katherine Woodville (c.1458-1497), and had two daus D6 & E6 (see below)
D6) Lady Anne Stafford (c.1483-1544) m. 2) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (see C6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053945&tree=LEO
E6) Lady Elizabeth Stafford (c.1481-by1532) m. Robert Radcliffe, 1st Earl of Sussex (c.1483-1542, descended from Edward I), and had
E7) Sir Humphrey Radcliffe of Elstow (1509-1566) m. Isabel Harvey (1518-1594), and had
E8) Frances Radcliffe (c.1547-by1584) m. Henry Cheke of Elstow (c.1548-1586), and had
E9) Sir Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (c.1571-1659) m. 2) Lady Essex Rich (see B10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062115&tree=LEO
F3) Lady Eleanor Neville (1403-1472) m. 2) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (see P4 below), and had two daus F4 & G4 (see below)
F4) Lady Anne Percy (1443-1522) m. 1) Sir Thomas Hungerford of Rowden (c.1442-1469), and had
F5) Mary, Lady Hungerford (1468-1533) m. 1) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings (see C5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107579&tree=LEO
G4) Lady Katherine Percy (1423-1493) m. Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (see H4 below), and had
G5) Lady Anne Grey (b. c.1448) m. John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (see K5 below), and had
G6) Edmund, 9th Lord Grey of Wilton (by1468-1511) m. Florence Hastings, and had
G7) Elizabeth Grey (c.1500-1559) m. John Brydges, 1st Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1492-1557), and had
G8) Edmund Brydges, 2nd Baron Chandos of Sudeley (by1520-1573) m. Dorothy Bray (1529-1605), and had
G9) Giles Brydges, 3rd Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1548-1594) m. Lady Frances Fiennes de Clinton (1551-1623, descended from Edward I), and had
G10) Katherine Brydges (c.1585-1657) m. Francis Russell, 4th Earl of Bedford (1587-1641), and had
G11) Hon. Edward Russell of Corney House (c.1625-1665) m. Penelope Hill (d. 1661), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00058013&tree=LEO
G12) Letitia Russell (c.1650-1723) m. 1) Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (see B11 above)
H2) Elizabeth of Lancaster (1364-1425) m. 2) John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter (c.1358-1400, descended from Edward I), and had
H3) Lady Constance Holland (1386-1437) m. 2) Sir John Grey of Badmondisfield Hall (c.1385-1439, descended from Edward I), and had
H4) Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (1416-1490) m. Lady Katherine Percy (see G4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059129&tree=LEO
I2) John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (1373-1410) m. Margaret Holland (1383-1439, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons I3 & K3 (see below)
I3) Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (1406-1455) m. Eleanor Beauchamp (1408-1467, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus I4 & J4 (see below)
I4) Lady Margaret Beaufort (c.1437-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (see D4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026562&tree=LEO
J4) Lady Eleanor Beaufort (c.1440-1501) m. 2) Sir Robert Spencer of Ashbury (c.1435-1510), and had
J5) Margaret Spencer (b. c.1472) m. Thomas Carey of Moulsford (b. c.1460, descended from Edward I), and had
J6) William Carey of Aldenham (c.1496-1528) m. Lady Mary Boleyn (c.1499-1543, descended from Edward I), and had
J7) Katherine Carey (c.1523-1569) m. Sir Francis Knollys of Rotherfield Greys (c.1512-1596), and had
J8) Lettice Knollys (1543-1634) m. 1) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (see B8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062071&tree=LEO
K3) John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset (1404-1444) = unidentified mistress, and had
K4) Tacyn Beaufort, illegit. (c.1428-1494) m. Reginald Grey, 7th Lord Grey of Wilton (1421-1494, descended from Edward I), and had
K5) John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (c.1445-1499) m. Lady Anne Grey (see G5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028590&tree=LEO
L1) Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397) m. Eleanor de Bohun (1366-1399, descended from Edward I), and had
L2) Anne of Gloucester (1383-1438), married three times, and had 2 sons L3 & M3 (see below)
L3) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, by 2nd husband (1402-1460) m. Lady Anne Neville (see D3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026559&tree=LEO
M3) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex, by 3rd husband (1404-1483) m. Lady Isabel of York (see N3 below), and had
M4) William, Lord Bourchier (c.1428-1477) m. Lady Anne Woodville (c.1448-1489), and had
M5) Cecily Bourchier (c.1473-1493) m. John Devereux, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Chartley (1464-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
M6) Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (c.1491-1558) m. Lady Mary Grey (see B6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062066&tree=LEO
N1) Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (1341-1402) m. 1) Isabel of Castile (1355-1392), and had
N2) Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (1385-1415) m. 1) Lady Anne Mortimer (see O4 below), and had
N3) Lady Isabel of York (1409-1484) m. 2) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex (see M3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001705&tree=LEO
O1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth de Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
O2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortmer, 3rd Earl of March (1352-1381), and had a son O3 & a dau P3 (see below)
O3) Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March (1374-1398) m. Alianore Holland (1370-1405, descended from Edward I), and had
O4) Lady Anne Mortimer (1388-1411) m. Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (see N2 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001700&tree=LEO
P3) Lady Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy (1364-1403), and had
P4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Lady Eleanor Neville (see F3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015423&tree=LEO
Cheers, ------Brad
First up is Hon. Maria Archer, the first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle (1757-1842), who has a bio in ODNB. Leo has Maria in his Genealogics database, with some ancestry, and only a single line back to Edward III, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116268&tree=LEO
Hon. Maria Archer was born 4 January at Umberslade Hall, Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire, and baptized 31 January 1765 at St Mary Magdalen Church, Tanworth-in-Arden (IGI Batch #P017361). She married Henry Howard on 26 November 1788 at St Andrew Church, Glaston, Rutlandshire, and died a year later, on 9 November 1789 at Corby Castle, with no issue. She was buried at Holy Trinity Church, Wetheral, Cumberland, where there is an elaborate monument to her.
Maria has 15 lines of descent from Edward III, in addition to the one Leo has (which is Line A below). All 16 lines are laid out below, with links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database for each.
Edward III had 4 sons A1, L1, N1 & O1 (see below)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. three times, and had 2 daus A2 & H2, and a son I2 (see below)
2) Joan Beaufort (c.1377-1440) m. 2) Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland (1364-1425), and had a son A3 & two daus D3 & F3 (see below)
A3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury (c.1398-1460) m. Alice Montagu (1406-1462, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus A4 & B4 (see below)
A4) Lady Alice Neville (c.1434-aft.1503) m. Henry Fitzhugh, 6th Lord Fitzhugh (1429-1472), and had
A5) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (1462-bef.1507) m. 1) Sir William Parr of Kendal (1434-1483), and had
A6) William Parr, Baron Parr of Horton (c.1480-1546) m. Mary Salisbury (1484-1555), and had
A7) Maud Parr (c.1507-1559) m. Sir Ralph Lane of Orlingbury (1509-1540), and had
A8) Mary Lane m. Thomas Pigott of Doddershall (1534-1606), and had
A9) Christopher Pigott of Doddershall (c.1558-1613) m. 1) Ursula Pigott, and had
A10) Anne Pigott (1592-1617) m. John Tipping, Heir of Wheatfield Hall (c.1590-1618, descended from Edward I), and had
A11) Sir Thomas Tipping of Wheatfield Hall (1615-1693) m. Elizabeth Beconshaw (1620-1698), and had
A12) Sir Thomas Tipping, 1st Baronet of Wheatfield (1653-1718) m. Anne Cheke (see B12 below), and had
A13) Catherine Tipping (1701-1754) m. Thomas, 1st Baron Archer of Umberslade (1695-1768, descended from Edward I), and had
A14) Andrew, 2nd Baron Archer of Umberslade (1736-1778) m. Sarah West (1741-1801)*, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053652&tree=LEO
A15) Hon. Maria Archer (1765-1789), first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle
*On paper, Sarah West would seem to have at least a couple of descents from Edward III, but closer inspection reveals that they do not pan out. I'll provide details in a follow-up post.
B4) Lady Katherine Neville (c.1442-1504) m. twice, and had a dau A5 & a son C5 (see below)
B5) Cecily Bonville, by 1st husband (1460-1529) m. 1) Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset (c.1456-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
B6) Lady Mary Grey (c.1492-1538) m. Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (see M6 below), and had
B7) Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (by1513-1547) m. Lady Dorothy Hastings (see C7 below), and had
B8) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (1539-1576) m. Lettice Knollys (see J8 below), and had
B9) Lady Penelope Devereux (1563-1607) m. 1) Robert Rich, 1st Earl of Warwick (1560-1619), and had
B10) Lady Essex Rich (c.1588-1658) m. Sir Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (see E9 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062114&tree=LEO
B11) Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (1628-1688) m. 2) Letitia Russell (see G12 below), and had
B12) Anne Cheke (c.1678-1728) m. Sir Thomas Tipping, 1st Baronet of Wheatfield (see A12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053659&tree=LEO
C5) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings, by 2nd husband (1466-1506) m. Mary, Lady Hungerford (see F5 below), and had
C6) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1487-1544) m. Lady Anne Stafford (see D6 below), and had
C7) Lady Dorothy Hastings (c.1520-1566) m. Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (see B7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062069&tree=LEO
D3) Lady Anne Neville (c.1408-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham (see L3 below), and had
D4) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (c.1425-1458) m. Lady Margaret Beaufort (see I4 below), and had
D5) Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham (1455-1483) m. Lady Katherine Woodville (c.1458-1497), and had two daus D6 & E6 (see below)
D6) Lady Anne Stafford (c.1483-1544) m. 2) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (see C6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053945&tree=LEO
E6) Lady Elizabeth Stafford (c.1481-by1532) m. Robert Radcliffe, 1st Earl of Sussex (c.1483-1542, descended from Edward I), and had
E7) Sir Humphrey Radcliffe of Elstow (1509-1566) m. Isabel Harvey (1518-1594), and had
E8) Frances Radcliffe (c.1547-by1584) m. Henry Cheke of Elstow (c.1548-1586), and had
E9) Sir Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (c.1571-1659) m. 2) Lady Essex Rich (see B10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062115&tree=LEO
F3) Lady Eleanor Neville (1403-1472) m. 2) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (see P4 below), and had two daus F4 & G4 (see below)
F4) Lady Anne Percy (1443-1522) m. 1) Sir Thomas Hungerford of Rowden (c.1442-1469), and had
F5) Mary, Lady Hungerford (1468-1533) m. 1) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings (see C5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107579&tree=LEO
G4) Lady Katherine Percy (1423-1493) m. Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (see H4 below), and had
G5) Lady Anne Grey (b. c.1448) m. John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (see K5 below), and had
G6) Edmund, 9th Lord Grey of Wilton (by1468-1511) m. Florence Hastings, and had
G7) Elizabeth Grey (c.1500-1559) m. John Brydges, 1st Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1492-1557), and had
G8) Edmund Brydges, 2nd Baron Chandos of Sudeley (by1520-1573) m. Dorothy Bray (1529-1605), and had
G9) Giles Brydges, 3rd Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1548-1594) m. Lady Frances Fiennes de Clinton (1551-1623, descended from Edward I), and had
G10) Katherine Brydges (c.1585-1657) m. Francis Russell, 4th Earl of Bedford (1587-1641), and had
G11) Hon. Edward Russell of Corney House (c.1625-1665) m. Penelope Hill (d. 1661), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00058013&tree=LEO
G12) Letitia Russell (c.1650-1723) m. 1) Thomas Cheke of Pirgo Park (see B11 above)
H2) Elizabeth of Lancaster (1364-1425) m. 2) John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter (c.1358-1400, descended from Edward I), and had
H3) Lady Constance Holland (1386-1437) m. 2) Sir John Grey of Badmondisfield Hall (c.1385-1439, descended from Edward I), and had
H4) Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (1416-1490) m. Lady Katherine Percy (see G4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059129&tree=LEO
I2) John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (1373-1410) m. Margaret Holland (1383-1439, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons I3 & K3 (see below)
I3) Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (1406-1455) m. Eleanor Beauchamp (1408-1467, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus I4 & J4 (see below)
I4) Lady Margaret Beaufort (c.1437-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (see D4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026562&tree=LEO
J4) Lady Eleanor Beaufort (c.1440-1501) m. 2) Sir Robert Spencer of Ashbury (c.1435-1510), and had
J5) Margaret Spencer (b. c.1472) m. Thomas Carey of Moulsford (b. c.1460, descended from Edward I), and had
J6) William Carey of Aldenham (c.1496-1528) m. Lady Mary Boleyn (c.1499-1543, descended from Edward I), and had
J7) Katherine Carey (c.1523-1569) m. Sir Francis Knollys of Rotherfield Greys (c.1512-1596), and had
J8) Lettice Knollys (1543-1634) m. 1) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (see B8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062071&tree=LEO
K3) John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset (1404-1444) = unidentified mistress, and had
K4) Tacyn Beaufort, illegit. (c.1428-1494) m. Reginald Grey, 7th Lord Grey of Wilton (1421-1494, descended from Edward I), and had
K5) John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (c.1445-1499) m. Lady Anne Grey (see G5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028590&tree=LEO
L1) Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397) m. Eleanor de Bohun (1366-1399, descended from Edward I), and had
L2) Anne of Gloucester (1383-1438), married three times, and had 2 sons L3 & M3 (see below)
L3) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, by 2nd husband (1402-1460) m. Lady Anne Neville (see D3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026559&tree=LEO
M3) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex, by 3rd husband (1404-1483) m. Lady Isabel of York (see N3 below), and had
M4) William, Lord Bourchier (c.1428-1477) m. Lady Anne Woodville (c.1448-1489), and had
M5) Cecily Bourchier (c.1473-1493) m. John Devereux, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Chartley (1464-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
M6) Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (c.1491-1558) m. Lady Mary Grey (see B6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062066&tree=LEO
N1) Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (1341-1402) m. 1) Isabel of Castile (1355-1392), and had
N2) Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (1385-1415) m. 1) Lady Anne Mortimer (see O4 below), and had
N3) Lady Isabel of York (1409-1484) m. 2) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex (see M3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001705&tree=LEO
O1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth de Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
O2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortmer, 3rd Earl of March (1352-1381), and had a son O3 & a dau P3 (see below)
O3) Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March (1374-1398) m. Alianore Holland (1370-1405, descended from Edward I), and had
O4) Lady Anne Mortimer (1388-1411) m. Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (see N2 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001700&tree=LEO
P3) Lady Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy (1364-1403), and had
P4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Lady Eleanor Neville (see F3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015423&tree=LEO
Cheers, ------Brad
Brad Verity
Dec 31, 2014, 7:31:39 PM12/31/14
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On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:05:40 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> A14) Andrew, 2nd Baron Archer of Umberslade (1736-1778) m. Sarah West (1741-1801)*, and had
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053652&tree=LEO
> A15) Hon. Maria Archer (1765-1789), first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle
>
> *On paper, Sarah West would seem to have at least a couple of descents from Edward III, but closer inspection reveals that they do not pan out. I'll provide details in a follow-up post.
Sarah West was born 11 May, and baptized 25 May 1741 at Lincoln's Inn Chapel, London, and died 18 February at Grosvenor Square, London, buried 27 February 1801 at St Mary Magdalen Church, Tanworth-in-Arden, Warwickshire. She married the future 2nd Baron Archer of Umberslade on 23 July 1761 at Pirgo Park, Essex. Leo has Sarah in his database, here:
> A14) Andrew, 2nd Baron Archer of Umberslade (1736-1778) m. Sarah West (1741-1801)*, and had
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053652&tree=LEO
> A15) Hon. Maria Archer (1765-1789), first wife of Henry Howard of Corby Castle
>
> *On paper, Sarah West would seem to have at least a couple of descents from Edward III, but closer inspection reveals that they do not pan out. I'll provide details in a follow-up post.
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053653&tree=LEO
The National Portrait Gallery has a caricature likeness of her:
http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw61463/Sarah-Archer-ne-West-Lady-Archer-The-finishing-touch
She was the daughter of James West of Alscot Park (1703-1772) and Sarah Steavens (1721-1799). There do not seem to be any Edward I descents in her maternal Steavens ancestry. Her father James West has a bio in ODNB (which I haven't yet seen), and bios in HOP as well:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/west-james-1703-72
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1754-1790/member/west-james-1703-72
Both HOP bios mention James West's descent from Thomas West, 8th Lord De La Warr (1457-1525). This descent appeared as early as the 1756 edition of Collins' Peerage:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=P5lcAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=richard+west+of+priors+marston&source=bl&ots=7wg61cMgY2&sig=c4I_DauUUKgIg-QHWt6RVmb246E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SXukVIuYKpa3ogT56ILgBA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=richard%20west%20of%20priors%20marston&f=false
It goes as follows,
1) 8th Lord De La Warr (1457-1525) m. 2) Eleanor Copley (c.1476-1536, descended from Edward I), and had
2) Leonard West of Burghwallis (by1518-1578) m. Barbara Gascoigne (descended from Edward III), and had
3) John West of Banbury, Oxfordshire m. Mary Throckmorton, and had
4) Aholiab West (d. 1628, Fawsley, Northamptonshire) m. Elizabeth Preston, and had
5) Richard West m. Elizabeth Hill, and had
6) Richard West of Priors Marston, Warwickshire m. Mary "Russell, of the Russells of Strensham, in Worcestershire", and had
7) James West of Alscot Park (1703-1772)
This descent was repeated in future editions of Collins Peerage, and was included in editions of Burke's Landed Gentry as well:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=H65CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1491&lpg=PA1491&dq=richard+west+of+priors+marston&source=bl&ots=AB7xPAzoUg&sig=pxpSmZNkidg9YVYe1-wHtXQHDKg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SXukVIuYKpa3ogT56ILgBA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=richard%20west%20of%20priors%20marston&f=false
Leonard West (Generation 2 above) has a HOP bio, here:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/west-leonard-1518-78
It states he and Barbara Gascoigne had three sons and four daughters. It also discusses how hard Leonard fought in court to retain ownership of Burghwallis, the Yorkshire manor that had been transferred to him by his brother-in-law Thomas Gascoigne. It seems odd then that his only surviving male grandson Aholiab West should not be associated with Burghwallis, but rather Banbury in Oxfordshire and Fawsley in Northamptonshire.
Luckliy there is a 1906 pedigree of the Wests of Banbury & Alscot Park in the Visitation of England & Wales series, in Notes Vol. 6, pp. 104-108:
https://archive.org/stream/visitationengla02unkngoog#page/n159/mode/2up
It shows the ancestry of James West of Alscot as,
1) James West of Banbury "yeoman" (d. 1621) m. Anne Wing (d. aft. 1636), and had
2) Aholiab West of Banbury (1603-1659) m. Mary ---- (d. aft. 1672), and had
3) Richard West of St Swithin, London & Priors Marston (1625-1691) m. Elizabeth Hill (d. 1689), and had
4) Richard West of St Swithin "Citizen and Grocer" (1668-1730) m. Mary Russell (d. 1721), and had
5) James West of Alscot (1703-1772)
Though there is a West coat of arms at the left corner of the pedigree, no effort was made to extend the pedigree prior to the yeoman James West of Banbury (Generation 1 above) and his brother John West (d. 1644). One would think that if the editor Frederick Arthur Crisp could have extended the line back to the 8th Baron De La Warr, he would have done so.
As the West pedigree in Collins's Peerage is in error as to spouses and other details in its Generations 3 & 4, when compared to the equivalent Generations 1 & 2 in the 1906 West pedigree, it doesn't inspire confidence as to its accuracy for its earlier generations. It seems highly unlikely for Leonard West, son and brother to a baron, and married into one of the most prominent Yorkshire gentry families, to have sons and/or grandsons who were of the yeoman class down in Banbury, Oxfordshire.
As these Oxfordshire & Warwickshire Wests increased in wealth & status, with established London businesses, it's natural for them to claim an armigerous descent from the most prominent West family in England, the barons of De La Warr. And they may have had a more distant kinship to the family, but there descent from the 8th Baron De La Warr, as claimed in 18th & 19th century peerage works, seems dubious to me.
So much for the paternal ancestry of James West of Alscot Park. That just leaves his maternal Russell of Strensham ancestry for possible Edward I lines of descent. A pedigree of Russell of Strensham was taken at the 1682-83 Visitation of Worcestershire:
http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun00maytrich#page/84/mode/2up
At first I thought Mary, the mother of James West of Alscot, may have been Mary, daughter of Sir Francis Russell, 2nd Baronet, who was unmarried at the time of the pedigree. But the 1906 West pedigree makes it clear that the mother of James West was "Mary Russell, dau. of William Russell of Strensham, co. Worcester, by Alice his wife, day. of Thomas Martin of Evesham, co. Worcester".
The only William Russell in the 1682-83 Russell of Strensham Visitation pedigree was William, a brother of the 2nd Baronet, but he is clearly stated to have died unmarried. In fact, the pedigree specifically states that all of the brothers of the 2nd Baronet died unmarried or without issue. So exactly how the William Russell of Strensham who was the maternal grandfather of James West of Alscot Park, fits into the family is unclear. He would need to be descended from Sir John Russell of Strensham (1551-1593) and Elizabeth Sheldon (Generation below), to have an Edward III descent, though the previous three generations of Russells of Strensham are Edward I descendants. Unfortunately there was no pedigree of the Martins of Evesham taken at the 1682-83 Worcestershire Visitation to provide further clues, so this line would seem to be a dead end.
Mary Russell, the daughter of Sir Francis Russell, 2nd Baronet, was born 1669, and died 1 November 1712, buried at St Alkmund Church, Shrewsbury, with a M.I. She married Thomas Jones of Shrewsbury (c.1667-1715), who has a HOP bio, here:
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1690-1715/member/jones-thomas-1667-1715
For any interested, here is this other Mary Russell's single line of descent from Edward III.
Edward III had a son
1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. 3) Katherine Roet (c.1350-1403), and had
2) Lady Joan Beaufort (c.1377-1440) m. 2) Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland (1364-1425), and had
3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury (c.1398-1460) m. Alice Montagu (1406-1462, descended from Edward I), and had
4) Lady Alice Neville (c.1434-aft.1503) m. Henry, 6th Lord Fitzhugh (1429-1472), and had
5) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (1462-bef.1507) m. 2) Nicholas, 1st Baron Vaux of Harrowden (c.1460-1523), and had
6) Katherine Vaux (b. c.1490) m. Sir George Throckmorton of Coughton Court (by1489-1552), and had
7) Sir Robert Throckmorton of Coughton Court (by1513-1581) m. 1) Muriel Berkeley (c.1511-by1542, descended from Edward I), and had
8) Anne Throckmorton (c.1540-1603) m. Ralph Sheldon of Beoley (c.1537-1613), and had
9) Elizabeth Sheldon (b. c.1558) m. Sir John Russell of Strensham (1551-1593, descended from Edward I), and had
10) Sir Thomas Russell of Strensham (1577-1632) m. Elizabeth Spencer, and had
11) Sir William Russell, 1st Baronet of Witley (c.1602-1669) m. Frances Reade (d. 1654, descended from Edward I), and had
12) Sir Francis Russell, 2nd Baronet of Witley (c.1638-1706) m. Anne Lytton (d. 1710, descended from Edward I), and had
13) Mary Russell (1669-1712) m. Thomas Jones of Shrewsbury, M.P.
Cheers, ----Brad
Ian Goddard
Jan 1, 2015, 5:59:44 AM1/1/15
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On 31/12/14 21:05, Brad Verity wrote:
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> and hope to someday visit the family's northern abodes, like Castle
Howard and Naworth Castle.
Whilst en route there you could consider paying a visit to the little
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> and hope to someday visit the family's northern abodes, like Castle
Howard and Naworth Castle.
town of Glossop, Derbys. I don't think any of the family were resident
there until the early C18th but they acquired it in the C17th &
contributed to its development.
--
Ian
The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang
at austonley org uk
jhigg...@yahoo.com
Jan 1, 2015, 3:01:09 PM1/1/15
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FWIW the ODNB bio of James West (unlike his HOP biographies) does NOT assert that he was descended from the Wests, Lords De La Warr (although it does identify his mother as Mary Russell "of Strensham"). One of the HOP biographies of James West cites as support for the supposed descent Thomas Blore's "History and Antiquities of the County of Rutland" (1811), p. 101 - which can be viewed and downloaded here:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/399860?availability=Family%20History%20Library
It will be seen that Blore's pedigree matches that shown in Collins' Peerage.
As Brad has noted, the more likely pedigree of the Wests of Banbury is the one in vol. 6 of Crisp's Notes to the Visitation of England and Wales. The FLH copy of this volume has been scanned and is available here:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/274275?availability=Family%20History%20Library
It's worth a review because, in addition to the printed pedigree, it contains extensive handwritten additions encompassing several wills of the Wests of Banbury which support the more likely pedigree of the family. There are no mentions in the wills of the earlier West family of De La Warr, and the chronology of the wills (which matches the Crisp pedigree) is definitely at odds with the chronology given in Blore and Collins. In addition, there are indications from the handwritten material that there were at least two branches of the family at Banbury, probably connected to one another but not to the earlier family.
A pedigree of the earlier West family appears in John Comber's "Sussex Genenalogies", vol. 3 (Lewes Centre), available here:
https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/49959?availability=Family%20History%20Library
Leonard West appears on pp. 306-7, and among his children is a son John, mentioned in the 1554 will of his [John's] uncle Thomas (elder half-brother of Leonard). No issue is given for any of Leonard's sons. I'd guess that this is the point that was chosen by some creative genealogist to attach the family of West of Banbury to the more distinguished West family.
Brad Verity
Jan 2, 2015, 6:12:18 PM1/2/15
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On Thursday, January 1, 2015 2:59:44 AM UTC-8, Ian Goddard wrote:
> Whilst en route there you could consider paying a visit to the little
> town of Glossop, Derbys. I don't think any of the family were resident
> there until the early C18th but they acquired it in the C17th &
> contributed to its development.
Thanks for the suggestion, Ian.
> Whilst en route there you could consider paying a visit to the little
> town of Glossop, Derbys. I don't think any of the family were resident
> there until the early C18th but they acquired it in the C17th &
> contributed to its development.
On Thursday, January 1, 2015 12:01:09 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> This is an interesting and useful analysis of what appears to be a textbook example of genealogical "grafting" in order to acquire an illustrious ancestry.
> FWIW the ODNB bio of James West (unlike his HOP biographies) does NOT assert that he was descended from the Wests, Lords De La Warr (although it does identify his mother as Mary Russell "of Strensham"). One of the HOP biographies of James West cites as support for the supposed descent Thomas Blore's "History and Antiquities of the County of Rutland" (1811), p. 101 - which can be viewed and downloaded here:
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/399860?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> It will be seen that Blore's pedigree matches that shown in Collins' Peerage.
The most interesting thing about Blore's pedigree is that he carries the line of West of Burghwallis two generations further than Leonard West. This is a contradiction to the assertion in the earlier West pedigree in Collins's Peerage (1756), that John West of Banbury was the only one of Leonard's sons to have issue. So there probably exists additional evidence for the Wests of Burghwallis that Blore used. I've not had time to seek Burghwallis in the YCH Yorkshire series, but the descent of the manor would be the next step to carry the West of Burghwallis line forward from Leonard.
> As Brad has noted, the more likely pedigree of the Wests of Banbury is the one in vol. 6 of Crisp's Notes to the Visitation of England and Wales. The FLH copy of this volume has been scanned and is available here:
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/274275?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> It's worth a review because, in addition to the printed pedigree, it contains extensive handwritten additions encompassing several wills of the Wests of Banbury which support the more likely pedigree of the family. There are no mentions in the wills of the earlier West family of De La Warr, and the chronology of the wills (which matches the Crisp pedigree) is definitely at odds with the chronology given in Blore and Collins. In addition, there are indications from the handwritten material that there were at least two branches of the family at Banbury, probably connected to one another but not to the earlier family.
> A pedigree of the earlier West family appears in John Comber's "Sussex Genenalogies", vol. 3 (Lewes Centre), available here:
> https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/49959?availability=Family%20History%20Library
> Leonard West appears on pp. 306-7, and among his children is a son John, mentioned in the 1554 will of his [John's] uncle Thomas (elder half-brother of Leonard). No issue is given for any of Leonard's sons. I'd guess that this is the point that was chosen by some creative genealogist to attach the family of West of Banbury to the more distinguished West family.
Thanks again, and Cheers, -----Brad
wjhonson
Jan 3, 2015, 10:45:55 PM1/3/15
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On Wednesday, December 31, 2014 1:05:40 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
In particular your Thomas has a PCC Will dated 1680
wjhonson
Jan 3, 2015, 11:07:05 PM1/3/15
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On Saturday, January 3, 2015 7:45:55 PM UTC-8, wjhonson wrote:
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> The Martin's of Evesham are represented in A2A
> In particular your Thomas has a PCC Will dated 1680
Your Mary was bap 4 Dec 1675 Saint Mary at Hill, London (Batch C032101 wj)
>
> The Martin's of Evesham are represented in A2A
> In particular your Thomas has a PCC Will dated 1680
Her grandfather Thomas Martin died 14 Dec 1679 "aged 60"; Will dated 1680
With his parents being
William /Martin/ , Mayor of Evesham 1623, 1632, 1641
died 14 Jun 1653 "aged 70" M.I. Evesham
James R. Yeowell
Jan 3, 2015, 11:59:46 PM1/3/15
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Their M.I. is in All Saints, Evesham.
http://www.eveshamparish.com/uploads/7/6/7/2/7672331/inscriptions.pdf
al...@mindspring.com
Jan 4, 2015, 9:13:49 AM1/4/15
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Three of Alice Martin's nephews, Thomas, James and John Martin were Members of Parliament.
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/martin-thomas-1679-1765.
Doug Smith
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/martin-thomas-1679-1765.
Doug Smith
Brad Verity
Jan 4, 2015, 11:45:50 AM1/4/15
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On Sunday, January 4, 2015 6:13:49 AM UTC-8, al...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Three of Alice Martin's nephews, Thomas, James and John Martin were Members of Parliament.
> http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/martin-thomas-1679-1765.
Dear Will, James & Doug,
> Three of Alice Martin's nephews, Thomas, James and John Martin were Members of Parliament.
> http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1715-1754/member/martin-thomas-1679-1765.
Thank you for the details on the Martins of Evesham.
Cheers, ----Brad
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