Foliot Notes and Query
Hal Bradley
Some brief notes on one branch of the Foliot family:
The family of Thomas Foliot and Katherine Lygon, among other sources, is
referenced in "Ligon Family and Connections" (New York, 1947) on page 101.
The christening records for six of their nine children can be found in the
Pirton (co. Worcester) Parish Registers.
John, 15 Feb. 1567
Henry, 18 Dec. 1569
Eleanor, 3 Nov. 1571
Constance, 4 Jan. 1573
Francis, 24 Nov. 1579
Margaret, 22 Apr. 1585
The second son, Henry, was created Lord Folliott of Ballyshannon and an
account of him can be found in Complete Peerage, V: 543. Cp notes that Henry
was 17 years old in 1586 indicating he was born c. 1569. His christening
record would be an addition to the CP account.
This family is also noted in the Visitation of Worcester, 1569 (London:
H.S.P., 1888), [H.S.P., vol. 27], pp. 55-6. The youngest daughter Margaret
is depicted as marrying "Edmond Escott of ... in com. Gloster." The marriage
of Margaret to Edmund Estcourt was also recorded in Pirton on 26 Feb. 1606.
Edmund was the son of Thomas & Hannah (Ayscough?) Estcourt. He was
christened 4 June 1573 in Shipton Moyne, co. Gloucester. A brief outline of
the Estcourt family can be found in the Visitation of the County of
Gloucester, 1623 (London: H.S.P., 1885) [H.S.P., vol. 21], p. 56. The
christenings of seven of Edmund's siblings can be found in the Shipton Moyne
Parish Registers. The only one missing is his older brother, Thomas
Estcourt, knt., who married Mary Savage.
The oldest son of Thomas & Katherine (Lygon) Foliot, John Foliot, knt.,
married Elizabeth Aylmer (Elmer). Although "Ligon Family and Connections"
only notes four children of this couple, the Visitation of Worcester, 1569,
notes nine sons and three daughters. The christening records for the second
and third sons, Thomas and Francis, are also found in the Pirton Parish
Registers.
Thomas, 4 Apr. 1595
Francis, 21 Mar. 1595[/6?]
Thomas & Katherine's eighth son, was Rev. Edward Foliot, who eventually
emigrated to Virginia where he died in 1690. He is stated to be 22 years old
in 1632, indicating he was born c. 1610.
Rev. Edward Foliot's christening record, as well as that of his younger
brother, John, is recorded in the Severn Stoke (co. Worcester) Parish
Registers:
Edward, 27 Nov. 1609.
John, Oct. 1615.
Hopefully this will add a few details to this branch of the Foliot family.
Now for the query:
Thomas Foliot (m. Katherine Lygon) had a younger sister, Elizabeth, who was
christened 29 Jan. 1540 at Pirton. John G. Hunt, in a series of articles
published in the NEHGR (121: 25 et seq; 122: 175 et seq; 124: 182 et seq)
titled "The Mayflower Winslows - Yeomen or Gentlemen?", suggested that while
Kenelm Winslow was obviously of the yeoman class, there was evidence to show
that his son Edward Winslow (father of the five Colonial New England
immigrants) was of the gentry class, and that this connection probably
derived from Edward's mother, whose identity is unknown. He speculated that
Elizabeth Foliot, sister of the above noted Thomas, was a likely candidate
for Edward Winslow's mother. If this were the case, then Rev. Edward Foliot
and Edward Winslow would be first cousins once removed. Apparently, though
Mr. Hunt's identification was supported by some of the evidence he
presented, it was not sufficient to support his speculation. I understand
that there has been further speculation on Mr. Hunt's identification. Can
someone summarize the evidences, speculations, arguments, etc. for and
against the identity of the mother of Edward Winslow?
Thank you.
Hal Bradley
mhol...@mac.com
I would read "The `Loving Cosens:' Herbert Pelham, Sir Arthur
Hesilrige, and Gov. Edward Winslow" by Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick, NEHGR
154 (2000):78-108. Kenneth W. Kirkpatrick is a nom de plume of the
late Marshall K. Kirk.
WJho...@aol.com
hw.br...@verizon.net writes:
<< The oldest son of Thomas & Katherine (Lygon) Foliot, John Foliot, knt.,
married Elizabeth Aylmer (Elmer). >>
An odd enough name. But there was also an Elizabeth Aylmer who m Anthony
Crane, cofferer to Queen Elizabeth. He died between 16 Aug and 9 Sep of 1583
Any relation known between these two Elizabeth Aylmer's? Maybe the same
person?
Thanks
Will Johnson
WJho...@aol.com
hw.br...@verizon.net writes:
<< Thomas & Katherine's eighth son, was Rev. Edward Foliot, who eventually
emigrated to Virginia where he died in 1690. He is stated to be 22 years old
in 1632, indicating he was born c. 1610. >>
This person, aged 22 in 1632 cannot be a son of Thomas Foliot and Katherine
Lygon. Katherine would here be setting the world record for "oldest mother" if
so.
Will Johnson
Hal Bradley
Foliot. Mea culpa.
Hal Bradley
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> << The oldest son of Thomas & Katherine (Lygon) Foliot, John
> Foliot, knt.,
> married Elizabeth Aylmer (Elmer). >>
>
> An odd enough name. But there was also an Elizabeth Aylmer
> who m Anthony
> Crane, cofferer to Queen Elizabeth. He died between 16 Aug
> and 9 Sep of 1583
>
> Any relation known between these two Elizabeth Aylmer's?
> Maybe the same
> person?
> Thanks
David Hepworth
of Fenwick, co Yorks?
Thanks
David
Tim Powys-Lybbe
> Has anyone done work on the earlier Foliot family - especially those
> of Fenwick, co Yorks?
Have a look at pp. 33-35 of "Early Yorkshire Families" by Charles Travis
Clay, pub Yorks Archaeological Soc in 1973.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
John P. Ravilious
Dear David,
Following on your query of 7 March, below is a chart of the early
generations of the Foliot family of Yorkshire (later of Elsing and
Gressenhall, Norfolk, &c.) as I have it currently reconstructed. This
is a slight revision of an earlier version, in that William Foliot (d.
after 1129/30) had known issue by Agnes de Arches as her 3rd husband,
but whose heir (Jordan) and other sons were evidently by an earlier
wife.
I will post a detailed pedigree following on this, which will
provide more details concerning documentation of these generations.
The placement of Richard Foliot (husband of Beatrice Bardolf) as shown
below is shown with broken lines (_ _ _ _ ) indicating his parentage
is conjectural, but is most likely based on the chronology, and the
landholding and onomastic evidence in hand.
Cheers,
John *
<3> <2> <1>
NN = William = (2) Agnes de = Robert de = Herbert
(1) I Foliot I Arches I Fauconberg de St.
I d. aft I I Quintin
I 1129/30 I I
I ____I________ I_________________
I I I I
I William Hugh Piers de
I Foliot Foliot Fauconberg
I fl. 1143/54 of Rise and Carfoss
I d. bef 1166
I______________________
_____________________I__________________________
I I I I
Jordan Foliot = Beatrice Henry Payn Richard
'held three fees I
of Henry de Lacy I
of Pontefract in I
1166 ' [DD] I
________________I_____ _ _ _ _ _ _
I I I
Jordan Henry Richard = Beatrice
Foliot Foliot Foliot I Bardolf
d. bef 25 I
Jul 1206 I
I
I
Sir Jordan Foliot
d. bef 5 Mar 1235/6
'held one fee of Roger de
Lacy (1212) '
I
I
Sir Richard Foliot
of Grimston & c.
d. Mar 1299
* John P. Ravilious
John P. Ravilious
Dear David, et al.,
Following is the detailed pedigree of the Foliots of Grimston,
later Elsing.
Should anyone have further comment, documentation or criticism,
please advise.
Cheers,
John *
_________________________________________________
1 William Foliot
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 1166[1]
gave a carucate of land 'in Pontefract, in Baghill, to the monks of
Pontefract:
' unam carrucatam terre in Pontefracto, in Baghil, quam terram
pater meus Willelmus Foliot eis donavit in puram et perpetuam
elemosinam. ' [confirmed by his son Jordan Foliot in a charter,
quoted above, dated ' c. 1160 ' ] - Chart. Pontefract I:136-7,
No. LXXXX[2]
______________________
father of Jordan Foliot:
cf. DD 981 sub Jordan Foliot (cites
Red Book of the Exchequer pp. 421-24[1])
Note: KSB Keats-Rohan was uncertain of identifying this William
as identical to the 'Willelm Foliot', tenant of Percy
(and undertenant, as to lands held of the Vavasour family)
in Yorkshire ca. 1129/30; 'father of Hugh and Henry [Foliot]
by his second wife Agnes de Arches' [DD 984 sub Willelm
Foliot, cites Pipe Roll 31 Hen I, 26-ynb[1]]. Clay
(p. 34[3]) makes this identification certain.
evidently d. before 1166 (his son Jordan held 3 knights' fees of
Henry de Lacy - DD 981, citing Red Book of the Exchequer
pp. 421-24[1]]
his 2nd wife was evidently Agnes de Arches, widow of
(1) Herbert de St. Quintin, and (2) Robert de Fauconberg:
'Willelmi Foliot', identified as son of Agnes de Arches in
confirmation by William, archbishop of York,
' dated 1143-1154, of a gift made by [Agnes de Arches ]
to Nunkeeling by
"petitione Agnetis matris Petri de Falcamberga et
filiorum suorum Willelmi et Hugonis Foliot" [Farrer
EYC v.3 p.54].' [26]
Spouse: NN [1st wife]
Children: Jordan (->1175)
Henry
Payne
Richard
Other Spouses Agnes de Arches [2nd wife]
Children: William
Hugh
1.1 Jordan Foliot
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1175[3]
of Norton, co. Yorks.
'Jordan Foliot, brother of Henry, who held three fees of Henry
de Lacy of Pontefract in 1166;... son of William,...brother of
a Richard (EYC ii, 849).' [DD 981 sub Jordan Foliot; cites
Red Book of the Exchequer pp. 421-24[1]]
' Jordanus Folioth', granted a charter dated 26 Dec 1159, giving to
the monks of Pontefract ' the West Mill of Norton, from which mill
the monks shall pay half a mark every year to the chapel of
Norton....', witnessed by Henry de Lacy, his lord in Norton,
'with whose consent and permission this was done '.
[Chart. Pontefract I:135-6, no. LXXXIX[2]]
' Jordanus Foliot ', confirmed his gift to Pontefract cited above,
and the gift of his father William Foliot of a carucate of land
'in Pontefract, in Baghill, to the monks of Pontefract, ca. 1160:
' unam carrucatam terre in Pontefracto, in Baghil, quam terram
pater meus Willelmus Foliot eis donavit in puram et perpetuam
elemosinam. ' [ Chart. Pontefract I:136-7, No. LXXXX[2]]
the lands held as tenant of de Lacy evidently those held by Jordan
Foliot (presumably his grandson) in 1225:
" Et Matildi de Lascy pro eodem Jordano [Foliot] de bosco de Pippin.
" [Paul Reed, citing Calendar of Patent Rolls 1216-1225][4]
' Jurdan Foliot ', witness to Feoffment dated c1150-1175:
' Osbert was seised of the land by Normans, the King's (sergeant ?),
Humphrey Porter, in the presence of Henry Laialais, William Paitevin,
Roger the priest, William the priest, Simeon the priest, John the son
of Oldebert, Henry Hustarc, Gerard son of William the Fat, William de
Rucford, William Murdac, Lambert the physician, John Snellman, Robert
Arcer, Eudo de Stell, Peter de Torp,
Alan de Bramam, William son of Uc.
Witnesses to Osbert's homage: David the Larderer, William his
son,
Thomas his brother, John the Larderer, Walter the son of Fanuf, Roger
the priest, Stephen the priest, Gamell the priest, Simeon the priest,
John de Meos, William son of Osbert, Brian son of Sccotland, Joscelin
de Areci, Arnald de Perchi, Jurdan Foliot, Henry Walais, Maci de
Curchi, Eustace de Merc, Roger de Esc, Arnald de Mildebi, Torfin son
of Robert son of Copsi, Peter Basset, Simon his brother, Peter Lufel,
William Paitevin, William Tilemer, Alan de Cnapatun, Albert
de Merstun, Richard son of Guy, Thomas son of Vivet (?), Robert son of
Ace, Paulinus the bishop's son, Gerard son of Levin, Hugh son of
Audon, Ernis brother of Aldred, Roger son of Turgis, Walter his
brother, Robert Brun, Robert son of Milesant, John son of Senel,
Robert the Arch (deacon ?), Thomas Mala Opera.'- PRO, West Yorkshire
Archive Service, Leeds: Ingilby Records [WYL230/1 - WYL230/1256],
MEDIEVAL CHARTERS: YORKSHIRE - Thorp [WYL230/240 ][5]
'confirmed to Nostell the mill of Norton, given by his father, 1159-70
[Clay p. 34 note 10, cites E.Y.C. iii, no. 1529, 'wit. by Henry de
Lascy'[3] ]
' Jordano Foliot' , witness to grant dated 1175-77 :
' Grant by Henry de Vernoil I to house of Temple of Jerusalem of 34
acres of land etc in Egborough.
Witnesses: Bartranno priore de
Pontefracto et toto conventu, Jordano Foliot, Ada filio Petri, Toma
fratre ejus, Ottone de Tilli, Henrico de Waleis, Malgero de Stivetun,
Willelmo de Beleue, Sansone filio Hervi, Henrico filio Jordani Foliot,
Jordano de Ledestun',Alexandro et Johanne et Rogero de Ruhale, qui hec
concesserunt et confirmavertunt.' [ EYC, iii, 287-8, no 1626
(1175-77),
courtesy David Hepworth[6] ]
_____________________
~ According to K.S.B. Keats-Rohan, 'Possibly distinct' from Jordan
Foliot who "attested a charter of Countess Lucy of Chester
c. 1135 with his brothers Richard and Payn." [DD 981 sub Jordan
Foliot[1], cites Barraclough, no. 16, no. 17[7]]
re: his wife Beatrice:
' Jordanus Foliot', her husband, 'confirmed to God and St. Mary and
St. John and the monks of Pontefract, the West Mill of Norton,
with the site of the mill itself ',
' consilio et consensu Beatricis uxoris mee ' [by the counsel and
consent of Beatrice my wife],
which he originally granted by a charter dated 26 Dec
1159 [Chart. Pontefract I:136-7, no. LXXXX[2]]
Spouse: Beatrice
Children: Jordan 'II'
Henry (->1175)
Richard (-<1206)
1.1.1 Jordan 'II' Foliot
----------------------------------------
' Jordan Foliot II, who described as Jordan Foliot
son of Jordan Foliot, confirmed all the gifts of his ancestors
to Pontefract priory as testified by his father's charter.'
[Clay p. 34, cites Pontefract Chartulary, no. 91[3]]
' Confirmation by Jordan Foliot II to canons of Nostell of
mill at Norton which Jordan his father had given.
Witnesses Henrico de Laceio de cujus feodo est, Osberto
archidiacono, Otho de Tilli, Willelmo de Builli, et Roberto
fratre ejus, Toma filio Petri et Radulfo Filigura '
[EYC, iii 216, no 1529 (1159-70), courtesy David Hepworth[6]]
charter, undated:
' To all the sonns of the holy Mother the Church Jordan son of
Jordan Foliot greeting. Know ye that J have confirmed by this
my Charter for the health of my soule, & of my Ancestors, All
the guifts which my Ancestors haue giuen to the Church of St
John of Pontefract as the Charter of my father Jordan
doth testifie. Wittnesse Guilbert de Lascy &c. '
[Holmes, Wapentake of Osgoldcross, YAJ XII:51[8], cites 'The
Charter of Jordan son of Jordan Foliot, of confirmation,
fo. 26 [not in the Monasticon; but see Lansdowne 207, also
Harl. 600].']
1.1.2 Henry Foliot
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 1175[6]
fl. 1175-1177
' Henrico filio Jordani Foliot ', witness to grant dated 1175-77 :
' Grant by Henry de Vernoil I to house of Temple of Jerusalem of 34
acres of land etc in Egborough.
Witnesses: Bartranno priore de
Pontefracto et toto conventu, Jordano Foliot, Ada filio Petri, Toma
fratre ejus, Ottone de Tilli, Henrico de Waleis, Malgero de Stivetun,
Willelmo de Beleue, Sansone filio Hervi, Henrico filio Jordani Foliot,
Jordano de Ledestun',Alexandro et Johanne et Rogero de Ruhale, qui hec
concesserunt et confirmavertunt.' [ EYC, iii, 287-8, no 1626
(1175-77),
courtesy David Hepworth[6] ]
1.1.3 Richard Foliot
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 25 Jul 1206[9]
husband of Beatrice Bardolf
his son succeeded to the inheritance of Fenwick, co. Yorks.
before 25 Jul 1206[9]
re: his wife Beatrice Bardolf:
one of five sisters and coheiresses of Robert Bardolf[10]
[her inheritance including Grimston, co. Notts, and one-fifth of
a knight's fee in Hoo, Kent]
identified as Beatrice in 'Ancestral Roots', per Todd Farmerie
(Jan 25 1997)[11]
died before 1 July 1225, on which date her son Jordan Foliot
was recorded as having done homage for his inheritance of his
uncle, Robert Bardolf[12],[13]
~ His widow evidently m. Robert de Fenwich after his death [3]
Spouse: Beatrice Bardolf
Death: bef 1 Jul 1225[13]
Father: Hugh Bardolf (-ca1176)
Mother: Isabel de Condet (>1136->1165)
Children: Jordan (-<1235)
1.1.3.1 Jordan Foliot
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 5 Mar 1235[10]
of Grimston, co. Notts, Fenwick, co. Yorks., Frisby, co. Lincs. & c.
quitclaimed certain rights as the dower of Beatrice, widow of
Robert de Fenwich, in 30 acres at Fenwick, co. Yorks. 25 July 1206:
' cclvi. York, the day of Saint James the apostle (25 July 1206).
Between Beatrice, who was the wife of Robert de Fenwich, plaintiff,
and Jordan Foliot, tenant, concerning the third part of thirty acres
of land with appurtenances in Fenwick, which she was claiming
against Jordan himself as her reasonable dower which belongs to
her from the gift of the aforesaid Robert, formerly her husband,
in Fenwick. Whereupon the plea was etc., namely that the
aforesaid Beatrice has remised etc. all right etc. in the
aforementioned third part of thirty acres of land with appurtenances
to the aforementioned Jordan and the heirs of his body forever. And
for this quitclaim etc. the aforementioned Jordan has granted and
quitclaimed the same Beatrice the moiety of the entire crop of
the aforementioned land for this present year. ' Yorkshire Feet
of Fines[9] [Note: Clay (pp. 34-35[3]) identifies this Jordan as
Jordan 'II', shown here as brother of Richard and uncle of this
Jordan Foliot]
'In 1212 Jordan Foliot had one fee of Roger de Lacy (then dead)
in Frisby and Hackthorne, Lincolnshire (Fees, 190).' [DD 981,
sub Jordan Foliot][1] 'Jordan Foliot held the Tattershall fee
in Saxilby [Lincs.] in 1212 (Fees, 190).' [DD 984, sub Willelm
II Foliot[1]]
performed homage and had livery of his purparty of the lands of
uncle Robert Bardolf, 1 Jul 1225[10]: a fine of that date records,
' D' homag capto. } Dns Rex cep homag JORD' FOLIOT ISOLD' DE
} GRAY 't RAD' PAYNEL de portoibs suis q eos
coting de tris q fuut ROB'TI BARDULF' avuncli sui q's de dno R.
tenuit i cap 't mand est Vic Kanc qd accepta ab eis sec'itate de
relevio suo dno R. reddendo q'tu p jud curie dni R. inde redde
debuint: plena eis saisina hre fac de portoibs suis ipos heditar
ctingetibs de tris pdcis i balla sua, accepta & ead sec'itate a
ROB'TO LUPO loco MATILD' BARDULF' mris sue q est una hedu
pdci Robti de relevio suo dno R. reddendo q'tu ad ipam ptin t
p pte sua silr eid Rob pl saisina hre fac loco mat's sue de portoe
ipam heditar cting de tris pdcis. Portoem vo ctingente fil 't hede
HUG' POINZ qui similr e unus hedu ipius Robti 't inf' etate est
't i custodia dni R. salvo custodiat don dns R. aliud inde pcepit.
T. R. ap Westm j. die Jul. ' Excerpta e Rotulis Finium, I:129[12]
this included Grimston, co. Notts [as indicated by holdings of Isabel
de Condet][11]
held of Maud de Lacy land(s) in the 'forest of Pippin', 1225:
" Et Matildi de Lascy pro eodem Jordano [Foliot] de bosco de Pippin.
" [Paul Reed, citing Calendar of Patent Rolls 1216-1225][4]
Jordan Foliot " has given to Simon de Steyngrave lands at
Frisby, Lincs., with his d. Beatrice, in marriage, 25 Apr
1295 (Inq.)."[14][evidently from the IPM of John de Stonegrave]
IPM of Simon de Pateshulle in co. Lincs., in answer to writ of
diem clausit extremum dated Westminster, 2 Dec 24 Edw. I (1295):
" By the second [Lincoln] the jurors find that Simon held certain
lands and tenements in Lincolnshire of Richard Folyot, as those
which Jordan Folyot, father of Richard, gave to Simon de
Steyngreve, grandfather of Isabel, in frank marriage with Beatrice
his daughter." [Yorks. Inqs. III:26, note (b)[15] ]
_________________
re: his wife:
possibly Joan, wife in 1251 of 'Ranulph de Cunte':
record of a charter for a market and fair at Grimston, Norfolk,
'M (Charter) Wed; gr 28 Apr 1251, by K Hen III to Ranulph de Cunte
and Joan his wife (CChR, 1226-57, p. 358).
F (Charter) vfm, Margaret (20 Jul); gr 28 Apr 1251, by K Hen III
to Ranulph le Cunte and Joan his wife (CChR, 1226-57, p. 358).'[16]
Spouse: NN
Children: Beatrice
Sir Richard (>1214-1299)
1.1.3.1.1 Beatrice Foliot
----------------------------------------
her father Sir Jordan Foliot
'has given to Simon de Steyngrave lands at Frisby, Lincs., with
his d. Beatrice, in marriage, 25 Apr 1295 (Inq.).'[14]
Spouse: Simon de Steyngrave[14]
Children: William (-<1268)
Peter (-<1268)
John de Stonegrave, m. Ida Wake
1.1.3.1.2 Sir Richard Foliot
----------------------------------------
Birth: aft 5 Mar 1214[10]
Death: Mar 1299[10]
knight, of Norton, Fenwick, co. York and Grimston and Wellow, Notts.
had livery of his father's lands, incl. one-fifth of a knight's fee
in Hoo, Kent on 5 March 1235/36 (when still a minor)[10]
his lands in Yorkshire included the manors of Barneby, 'Foliot'
and Hawurth [Handsworth ?]:
' A.D. 1259. - The Prior of Watton v. Richard Foliot, to acquit
him of the service which the King exacts for the free tenement
which the Prior holds of Richard in Barneby, Foliot, and Hawurth.'
[YAS XVII:216, Num. 6, cites Curia Regis, No. 162, Hil. 43 Hen.
III. m. 4 d.[17]]
Letter patent dated 1264:
' Letters patent of the King licensing Richard Folyot to enclose
his manor house of Grymeston' with a moat and a crenellated
wall. ' - A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford:
Deeds and Estate Papers [DD/SR/13 - DD/SR/205], DD/SR/102/166[5]
supporter of King Henry III against de Montfort - had grant of the
King by a fine dated 48 Hen. III, m. 4 [1264]:
' AA. 9 [vol. 117]. The King granted to Richard Folyot the
mann'rs of Adam de Newmarket [Newmarch] of Wilmersley [Womersley],
Champsall, Thorp, Bentley, Archesey, in the County of York. '
[Holmes, YAJ X:363[18]]
had charters for a market and fair at Wellow, co. Notts.:
'(Charter) gr[anted] 22 Oct 1268, by K[ing] Hen[ry] III to
Richard Foliot. To be held at the manor. The roll is damaged
and information is missing (CChR, 1257-1300, p. 113). On 22
Feb 1330, the justices in eyre were ordered to
permit Margery Foliot, lady of Wellehagh, to have her Fri
market notwithstanding the eyre, as she and other lords of the
town had had from the time of the making of the charters of the
king's progenitors (CCR, 1330-33, pp. 124, 129).'[16]
'Ricardus Foliot pro quadam parte ejusdem villae, quam tenet de
Willelmo le Vavasur, iiijs. de eodem fine' [fined for a moiety
of the manor of Barneby super Don, co. Yorks. which he held of
William le Vavasour, 1281 - Kirby's Inquest, p. 8[19] ]
made a gift by charter (dated 1266 - 1299) to the monks of Rufford
of '1 toft in Eakring' -A2A, Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of
Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers - Charters, Rufford [DD/SR/208/77]
[5]
overlord of lands in Frisby and possibly others, co. Lincs.
(maritagium of his sister Beatrice):
IPM of Simon de Pateshulle in co. Lincs., in answer to writ of
diem clausit extremum dated Westminster, 2 Dec 24 Edw. I (1295):
" By the second [Lincoln] the jurors find that Simon held certain
lands and tenements in Lincolnshire of Richard Folyot, as those
which Jordan Folyot, father of Richard, gave to Simon de
Steyngreve, grandfather of Isabel, in frank marriage with Beatrice
his daughter." [Yorks. Inqs. III:26, note (b)[15] ]
' Richard Foliott ', knight
Arms: ' Gules a bend argent ' [ H S London, Rolls of Arms,
Henry III, Aspilogia 2, Society of Antiquaries, London,
1967 - ca. 1252 or later, B 172 ][20]
IPM of Richard Foliot and Jordan Foliot [his son], ' made at
York, 23 June, 27 Edward (1299), before Mr. Richard de
Haveringg', Escheator,....
' Richard Foliot held on the day of his death nothing in chief
of the King, nor of anyone else in his demesne as of fee, in the
county of York. He had a rent of £10, to be received yearly from
his son Jordan and Margery his wife, for the term of his life, from
the manors of Northon and Fenewyke. Jordan, son of the said
Richard, was his nearest heir on the day of his death, and was of
the age of fifty and upwards. Jordan died within five weeks after
his father's death.
' Jordan Folyot held nothing of the King in chief in his
demesne as of fee, nor in demesne, nor in service, in the county
of York. Jordan and Margery his wife, jointly enfeoffed by Richard
his father in the manors of Northon and Fenewyke, held these
manors on the day of Jordan's death of Henry de Lacy, Earl of
Lincoln, by the service of three knights' fees. Margery is
still surviving. The manor of Northon worth in all issues £29 a
year, and the manor of Fenewyke £15 a year. Richard, son of the
same Jordan, is his nearest heir, and was of the age of fifteen
on Christmas last past. ' [Yorks. Inqs. III:102-3[15]]
_______________________
re: his wife Margery de Stuteville:
heiress (in her issue) of brother Sir Robert de Stuteville
her purparty included Gressenhall, Elsing, East Lexham and
Weasenham, Norfolk and Cowesby, Stillingfleet, Newsham and East
Ness, co. York[10]
Spouse: Margery de Stuteville
Death: bef 2 Oct 1275[14]
Father: Sir William de Stuteville, of Gressenhall, &c. (-<1259)
Mother: Margaret de Say (-<1243)
Children: Sir Jordan (<1249-<1299)
Sir Edmund Foliot, of Handsworth, co. Yorks
Sir William Foliot, of Tilney and Ilsington, Norfolk
1.1.3.1.2.1 Sir Jordan Foliot
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 2 May 1249[10]
Death: bef 2 May 1299[10],[15]
Occ: Lord Foliot
knight, of Gressenhall, Elsing, East Lexham and Weasenham,
Norfolk; Norton, Fenwick, Moseley and Cowesby, co. York, Grimston
and Wellow, Notts.
'entered upon the lands' of his uncle Robert de Stuteville following
his death;
ejected by Philip de Wylheby, escheator, 'as if the said Robert
had held from the king in chief, and detained same from him, as
was said unjustly (minus juste).' Writ dated Tydeswell, 20 Aug.
3 Edw. I [1275] to Philip de Wileby, Escheator beyond Trent,
'to make inquisition, whether the said Robert held anything in
chief on the day he died.'
' Inquisition made at York on Wednesday after the feast of St.
Michael, 3 Edw. (2 Oct., 1275), before Philip de Wylheby, the
Escheator, by William de Habbeton,...[&c.], who say on their
oath that Robert de Stuteville, uncle (avunculus) of Jordan
Foliot, held nothing of the king in chief on the day he
died.' [ Yorks. Inq. II:1, No. 1[15] ]
record of protection, dated at Chester, 17 Jul 5 Edw I (1277):
' Protection with clause volumus, until Michaelmas [unless otherwise
specified], for the following, going to Wales on the king's service: -
Jordan Folyot,
William Folyot. ' [CPR 5 Edw. I (1272-1281), p. 220, mem. 8[21]]
'Jordan Foliot', held 1 carucate in the manor of 'Stivelingflete'
ca. 1281:
Et Gilbertus de Luthe tenet j car. terrae in eadem de Jurdano Foliot
per feodum militare, et facit sectas praedictas; et ille tenet de
Baldewino de Wake, et ille de Rege in capite.' [manor held of
Jordan Foliot by military service, which he held of Baldwin Wake,
who held same of the King in chief - Kirkby's Inquest
p. 64-66[19]; cited also as holding same in 1284/85: VCH East
Riding, III:101-112, sub Stillingfleet, citing Feud. Aids,
vi. 35; E.Y.C. ix, p. 37.[22] ]
'Holds 2 knights' fees at Cowesby, [East] Nesse, Stivelingeflete,
Ripplingham, and Brantingham, Yorks., late of Baldwin Wake,
25 Mar 1282, and overlord of Welyngham Manor, Norf., 10 Sept
1289 (Inq.).'[14]
presented to the living of Kirk Smeaton, 15 June, 1289:
' Jordan Foliot K't pr'sents to the Church of Smytheton on the
Ides of June, 4'o pontif. [1289.]. ' [Holmes, Wapentake of
Osgoldcross, YAJ XII:75[23], cites ' Out of John Roman's Register,
fo. 15 & 18.' Vol. 127, no. 106]
Summoned to Parliament from 24 June 1295 to 2 Nov 1295 by writs
directed 'Jordano Foliot', held thereby to have become Lord Foliot.
[10]
IPM of Richard Foliot and Jordan Foliot [his son], ' made at
York, 23 June, 27 Edward (1299), before Mr. Richard de Haveringg',
Escheator,....
' Jordan Folyot held nothing of the King in chief in his
demesne as of fee, nor in demesne, nor in service, in the county
of York. Jordan and Margery his wife, jointly enfeoffed by Richard
his father in the manors of Northon and Fenewyke, held these manors
on the day of Jordan's death of Henry de Lacy, Earl of Lincoln, by
the service of three knights' fees. Margery is still surviving.
The manor of Northon worth in all issues £29 a year, and the manor
of Fenewyke £15 a year. Richard, son of the same Jordan, is his
nearest heir, and was of the age of fifteen on Christmas last
past. ' [Yorks. Inqs. III:102-3[15]]
found following his IPM to have ' held of the late King [Edward I]
in chief one-fifth of a knight's fee in Hoo, Kent' (CP V:540, sub
_Foliot_)[10]
re: his wife:
' Margery Foliot, lady of Wellehagh ', had her right to have a market
at Wellow, co. Notts. confirmed, 22 Feb 1330, when
" the justices in eyre were ordered to permit Margery Foliot, lady
of Wellehagh, to have her Fri market notwithstanding the eyre,
as she and other lords of the town had had from the time of the
making of the charters of the king's progenitors (CCR,
1330-33, pp. 124, 129).'[16]
her heirs were her granddaughters Margery and Margaret, according
to her IPM at Notts. (18 May, 1330) and York (22 May, 1330)[10]
Spouse: Margery de Neumarche[10]
Death: 18 Apr 1330[10]
Father: Sir Adam de Neumarche (->1289)
Mother: [not proven] Elizabeth de Mowbray (->1289)
Children: Joan
Sir Richard (1283-<1317)
1.1.3.1.2.1.1 Joan Foliot
----------------------------------------
identified as probable wife of Alphonso de Vere
(said to be daughter of Richard Foliot, in error)[24]
Spouse: Alfonso de Vere
Birth: bef 1263[10]
Death: ca 20 Dec 1329
Father: Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford
Mother: Alice de Sanford (-<1312)
Children: John de Vere, 7th Earl of Oxford
Margery, m. Sir Maurice de Berkeley
1.1.3.1.2.1.2 Sir Richard Foliot[25]
----------------------------------------
Birth: 25 Dec 1283[10],[15]
Death: bef 23 Jul 1317, Scotland, on the king's service[10]
Occ: Lord Foliot
knight, of Gressenhall and Weasenham, co. Norfolk
2nd Lord Foliot
he was b. 25 Dec 1283:
the IPM for his father, dated at York, 23 June, 27 Edward (1299),
states,
' Richard, son of the same Jordan, is his nearest heir, and
was of the age of fifteen on Christmas last past. ' [Yorks.
Inqs. III:102-3[15]]
2nd husband of Joan de Braose[10]:
'Grant of marriage of Joan, wid. of Jas. de Bohun,
16 Sep. 1310' - Knights of Edward I II:77-78, cites P.R.[14]
Spouse: Joan de Braose
Death: bef 23 Jun 1324[10]
Father: Sir William de Braose, lord of Bramber (>1246-<1326)
Mother: Agnes (-<1317)
Marr: aft 16 Sep 1310[10]
Children: Margery, m. Sir Hugh de Hastings
Richard (dsp -1325)
Margaret, m. John de Camoys
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Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de Stuteville'
Jul 2, 2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full title: Domesday
Descendants: A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English
Documents 1066-1166: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.
2. Richard Holmes, ed., "The Chartulary of St. John of Pontefract,"
The Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Record Series, various
dates:, Vol. I (Record series vol. XXV) - 1899, Vol. II(Record
series vol. XXX) - 1902.
3. Sir Charles Clay, ed., "Early Yorkshire Families," The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society, Record Series), 1973, Vol. CXXXV.
4. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Matilda de Clere, wife of John de
Lacy," Feb 11, 1999, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites Calendar
of Patent Rolls 1216-1225, p. 576 - Jordan Foliot and Maud de
Lacy, also Dugdale, Mon. Angl. 5:534 [Historia Laceiorum, from
the account of the Abbey of Kirkstall] re: Maud de Lacy.
5. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/
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Deiville and (2) Adam de Everingham," 28 September 2004, email
the...@aol.com, cites EYC and other sources, as well as Paley
Baildon's unpublished notes and MS, located at Bradford Archives.
7. Geoffrey Barraclough, "The Charters of the Anglo-Norman Earls of
Chester, c. 1071-1237," The Record Society of Lancashire and
Cheshire, 1988, cites charters in the Public Record Office, the
Bodleian Library and elsewhere.
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Archaeological Journal, Vol. XII (1893), London: printed for
the Association by Bradbury, Agnew and Co., Whitefriars, E.C.
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text from Pedes Finium Ebor. Regnante Johanne, a.d. mcxcix-a.d.
mccxiv, published for the Surtees Society, vol. 94, 1987,
pp. 101-109., URL :
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1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland
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Roots of Certain American Colonists," Baltimore: Genealogical
Pub. Co., connection of Isabel de Condet and Hugh Bardolf, as
cited by E. Mann, Line 132D-27,-28 in AR7, also, Descendants of
Henry I of Germany (10/30/98), Line 157 (Gerberga of Burgundy
to Emperor Henry III).
12. Charles Roberts, ed., "Excerpta ex Rotulis Finium," The
Commissioners of the Public Records of the Kingdom, Vol I
(1216-1246), 1835, full title: Excerpta e Rotulis Finium in
Turri Londinensi asservatis, Henrico Tertio Rege, A.D. 1216-1272.
13. John P. Ravilious, "Re: DD Correction: the Bardolfs of Ilketshall,
Suffolk, Waddington, Lincs. & c.," January 19, 2003, email,
the...@aol.com (paper copy: library of John Ravilious, cites
Excerpta e Rotulis Finium, I:129, also Complete Peerage (Grey;
Poyntz; Bardolf);, contributions by Paul Reed, FASG (re: Farrer,
Honors and Knights Fees, ii:17 and others), Todd Farmerie, Cris
Nash and Roz Griston.
14. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs. of
the
Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in series).
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Archaeological Society, Record Series), various dates:, Vol. I (Record
series vol.
XII) - 1892, Vol. II(Record series vol. XXIII) - 1898, Vol. III
(Record series
vol. XXXI) - 1902, Vol. IV (Record series vol. XXXVII) - 1906.
16. "Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs to 1516," www.histparl.ac.uk/cmh/gaz/,
extracted 5 Nov 2001, Wiltshire [Bassett], Yorkshire [Salvain] - North
Duffield.
17. William Paley Baildon, F.S.A., "Notes on the Religious and Secular
Houses
of Yorkshire, Vol. I," The Yorkshire Archaeological Society Record
Series,
Vol. XVII, Printed for the Society, 1894.
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Archaeological
Journal, Vol. X (1889), London: printed for the Association by
Bradbury, Agnew
and Co., Whitefriars, E.C., pp. 250 et seq.
19. John de Kirkby, "The survey of the county of York taken by John
de
Kirkby, commonly called Kirkby's Inquest," also inquisitions of
knights' fees, the
Nomina villarum for Yorkshire, and an appendix of illustrative
documents,
Durham: Pub. for the Society by Andrews and Co., 1867.
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Henry III,
Aspilogia 2, Society of Antiquaries, London, 1967,
http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/, Dated c1252 or later., B1 - Cooke's
version.
21. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record
Office,
Edward I. A.D. 1272-1281, London: for the Public Record Office.
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Oxford: published for the Institute of Historical Research, Oxford
Univ. Press,
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Berkeley
(died 1347)," August 4, 2002, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com.
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Esquire,
Norroy King of Arms, Harleian Series, Vol. 16, Mitchell and Hughes,
Printers,
London, 1881, pp. 154-156: pedigree of Hastings of Elsing
('Hastynges..' of
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26. Rosie Bevan, , SGM, 11 March 2002, cites
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* John P. Ravilious
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
> Tuesday, 13 March, 2007
>
>
> Dear David,
>
> Following on your query of 7 March, below is a chart of the early
> generations of the Foliot family of Yorkshire (later of Elsing and
> Gressenhall, Norfolk, &c.) as I have it currently reconstructed. This
> is a slight revision of an earlier version, in that William Foliot (d.
> after 1129/30) had known issue by Agnes de Arches as her 3rd husband,
> but whose heir (Jordan) and other sons were evidently by an earlier
> wife.
>
> I will post a detailed pedigree following on this, which will
> provide more details concerning documentation of these generations.
> The placement of Richard Foliot (husband of Beatrice Bardolf) as shown
> below is shown with broken lines (_ _ _ _ ) indicating his parentage
> is conjectural, but is most likely based on the chronology, and the
> landholding and onomastic evidence in hand.
Many thanks for going through this again and it is particularly timely
for me as I spent a day or so last week trying to make sense of the
early Foliots - and giving up! I have gone through this at some length
but have run out of time to do a proper job here.
In short, C T Clay in his Early Yorkshire Families p. 35 opines that
this Richard was the son of Jordan II in the line of eldest sons of
William who m. (2) Agnes de Arches.
His reasoning is, as he freely admits, inadequate but he gives as his
reasons (a) the descent of core properties to this Richard and (b) a
line of births at 25 year intervals which makes some sense, viz:
William
|
Jordan I, b. c. 1120-25
|
Jordan II, b. c. 1150
|
Richard, b. c. 1175 (m. Beatrice Bardolf)
|
Jordan, b. c. 1200 (the Bardolf heir)
|
Sir Richard, b. c. 1225
|
Sir Jordan, b. c. 1248 (1st lord Foliot)
While Jordan II can easily be left out of this line, it results in
a couple of generations of 37.5 year intervals instead of the 25 year
gaps he proposed. Unless there is some firm evidence to the contrary, I
would incline towards this account of Clay's while agreeing the while
that it is inadequately based.
John P. Ravilious
Thanks for that post, and the reasoning (chronological and
otherwise) concerning the placement of Richard Foliot.
The primary reasons why I find that Richard was more likely
brother than son of Jordan 'II' hinge on what chronological detail we
know concering Richard's son, Jordan 'III'. As I noted in the
detailed pedigree, Jordan 'III' quitclaimed certain rights as the
dower of Beatrice, widow of
Robert de Fenwich [I believe this was his mother] in 30 acres at
Fenwick, co. Yorks. 25 July 1206:
' cclvi. York, the day of Saint James the apostle (25 July 1206).
Between Beatrice, who was the wife of Robert de Fenwich, plaintiff,
and Jordan Foliot, tenant, concerning the third part of thirty acres
of land with appurtenances in Fenwick, which she was claiming
against Jordan himself as her reasonable dower which belongs to
her from the gift of the aforesaid Robert, formerly her husband,
in Fenwick. Whereupon the plea was etc., namely that the
aforesaid Beatrice has remised etc. all right etc. in the
aforementioned third part of thirty acres of land with appurtenances
to the aforementioned Jordan and the heirs of his body forever. And
for this quitclaim etc. the aforementioned Jordan has granted and
quitclaimed the same Beatrice the moiety of the entire crop of
the aforementioned land for this present year. ' [Yorkshire Feet
of Fines]
Clay (pp. 34-35) identified this Jordan as Jordan 'II', whom I
show as brother of Richard and uncle of this Jordan Foliot. I think
the chronology does not work well with this: if the Beatrice of the
1206 Fine was the mother of Jordan 'II' [also named Beatrice] she
would, by your reconstruction, have likely been aged say 75-85 years
at that time, and Jordan 'II' aged likely 55 or more by your
construction. If my identification of the Jordan Foliot of 1206 is
correct, he was obviously born say 1185 or before (of age in 1206),
which would likely push his father Richard back to being born say
1160.
Jordan I, b. c. 1120-25
_________I__________________________
| I
Jordan II, b. c. 1150 Richard b. ca. 1160
(m. Beatrice Bardolf)
___________________________________I
|
Jordan, b. c. 1180-1185 (the Bardolf heir)
|
Sir Richard, b. c. 1225
|
Sir Jordan, b. c. 1248 (1st lord Foliot)
Hence, my version to date.
Cheers,
John
On Mar 14, 8:58 am, Tim Powys-Lybbe <t...@powys.org> wrote:
> For a miscellany of bygones:http://powys.org/- Hide quoted text -
paul bulkley
considerable amount of information relating to William
Foliot and his descendants.
Page 114 offers a brief incomplete pedigree as
follows:
William Foliot
Children: William II, Jordan I, Henry, Paganus,
Richard
Generation 2:
William II Foliot (he was the 3rd husband of Agnes de
Arches (de Catfost)
Children: William, Hugh
Jordan I married bBeatrice
Children: Jordan II
Generation 3:
Jordan II married Margery
There are about 100 Charters that mention the Foliot
family which include William, Agnes, Beatrice,
Gilbert, Henry, John, Jordan, Margaret, Margery,
Pagan, Ralph, Richard, and Robert.
Charter #1 the founding of House of Religion at Kirkby
1090 mentions William Foliot's gift.
I have not examined the information with care but
would imagine that a considerable amount of family
information can be gleaned.
I have noted same errors by Richard Holmes in the two
volumes but regardless it is a mine of info. Jordan II
would appear to be the son of Jordan I if Holmes
analysis is correct.
Sincerely Yours,
Paul Bulkley
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