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OT James V Descent for Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax (1907-1995)

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Brad Verity

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Feb 2, 2014, 4:37:35 AM2/2/14

Diana Mary Caroline Silvertop was born 22 August 1907 in South Kensington, London, and died 6 July 1995 at Throwleigh, Okehampton, Devon. On 25 June 1929 at Kensington, London, she married Basil Charles Trappes-Lomax of Brooke House (born 14 August 1896 at Swynnerton Hall, Staffordshire; died 8 October 1963 at Brook House, Wortham, Suffolk), the second son of Richard Trappes-Lomax and Hon. Alice Fitzherbert. The couple had four children - the firstborn daughter died in infancy, and Diana survived her firstborn son by two years. Her youngest child, John Michael Trappes-Lomax (b. 1947), is an educator and historian and the current head of the family.

Diana's husband was descended from Charles II, and Diana could claim an equally interesting lineage. Her mother was a true lady of the turn-of-the-century British Empire. Dorothy Dalglish was born 1885 at Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia, and died 22 February 1923 at Odzi Drift Estate, Umtali (today called Mutare), Southern Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe), the African farm of her second husband (Diana's stepfather), William Ernest Guinness. Diana's maternal grandfather, James Campsie Dalglish of Goulburn (1843-1888) was of Scottish descent, and a noted surveyor in 19th-century colonial Australia. Her maternal grandmother, Marie Sophie Nicholson de Guerry de Lauret (1852-1919), was the daughter of a French marquis who ended up a farmer in New South Wales. Neither of Diana's maternal grandparents appear to have Edward I descents, so I haven't traced their ancestry back any further, but their lives are fascinating, and exemplify the diversity of immigrants to the land Down Under in its early days.

The Silvertops have apparently become extinct in the male line - they last appear in the 1952 17th Edition of Burke's Landed Gentry - and their former seat in Northumberland, Minsteracres, is now a Catholic retreat centre:
http://www.minsteracres.org/our-environment.htm

But, thanks to intermarriage with leading Catholic gentry families in the 18th & 19th centuries, Diana's father Arthur Silvertop, a commander in the Royal Navy killed at sea during the First World War, has well over a hundred lines of descent from Edward III, including lines from James V of Scotland, and Edward IV & Henry IV of England.

First up is Diana's probable 15-generation line of descent from James V, with links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database also given.

James V of Scotland = Elizabeth Carmichael, and had
1) John Stewart, Lord Darnley, illegit. (c.1531-1563) m. Lady Jean Hepburn (c.1536-1599, descended from Edward III), and had
2) Francis Stewart, 1st Earl of Bothwell (1562-1612) m. Lady Margaret Douglas (c.1553-1640, descended from Edward III), and had
3) John Stewart of Coldingham, 2nd son (d. by 1656) m. Margaret Home, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00286782&tree=LEO
4) Christian Stuart (d. 1684) m. Sir Edward Widdrington, 1st Baronet of Cartington (1614-1671, descended from Edward III), and had
5) Mary Widdrington (1632-1703) m. Sir Edward Charlton, 1st Baronet of Hesleyside (d. 1675, descended from Edward III), and had
6) Elizabeth Charlton m. William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1682, descended from Edward III), and had
7) Edward Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1710) m. Margaret Salkeld (d. 1728, descended from Edward III), and had
8) Anne Charlton (d. 1748) m. Roger Meynell of Kilvington Hall (1673-1735, descended from Edward III), and had
9) Elizabeth Meynell (d. 1768) m. James Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (d. 1761, descended from Edward IV), and had
10) Mary Thornton (1751-1793) m. Thomas Witham of Headlam (1750-1793, descended from Edward III), and had
11) Elizabeth Witham (1778-1847) m. Henry Thomas Silvertop [later Witham] (1779-1844, descended from Edward III), and had
12) Catherine Witham (1801-1857) m. Henry Englefield of Mayfair (1801-1843, descended from Edward III), and had
13) Henry Charles Englefield [later Silvertop] of Minsteracres (1826-1887) m. 2) Caroline Filomena Weld (1844-1925, descended from Henry IV), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00532888&tree=LEO [with 1st wife Hon. Eliza Stonor]
14) Arthur Edward Silvertop of Kensington (1877-1916) m. Dorothy Dalglish (1885-1923), and had
15) Diana Mary Caroline Silvertop (1907-1995) m. Basil Trappes-Lomax of Brooke House

Diana's three lines of descent from Edward IV's bastard daughter Margaret, Lady Lumley, will be laid out in the next post.

Cheers, -----Brad

Brad Verity

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Feb 2, 2014, 1:24:37 PM2/2/14

On Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:37:35 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Diana's three lines of descent from Edward IV's bastard daughter Margaret, Lady Lumley, will be laid out in the next post.

Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax's royal descents are through her father. He was Arthur Edward Silvertop of Kensington, born 29 November 1877 at South Kensington, London, and killed in the Nortb Sea 31 May 1916. He married 8 November 1905 at Brompton Oratory, South Kensington, Dorothy Dalglish, and they had a son and two daughters. Diana was their firstborn.

Diana's father is No. 9241 in the Clarence volume of Ruvigny's Plantagenet Roll series, p. 319: "3c. Arthur Edward Silvertop, b. 29 Nov. 1877". Ironically, Basil Trappes-Lomax, Diana's future husband, is No. 9202, and appears on the previous page (318) of the volume: "2e. Basil Charles Trappes-Lomax, b. 14 Aug. 1896":
https://archive.org/stream/plantagenetrollo00ruvi#page/318/mode/2up

The Clarence volume was published in 1905, two years before Diana's birth. She has several lines of descent from George, Duke of Clarence, which will be laid out in a later post. First, here are her three lines of descent from Margaret, Lady Lumley, the illegitimate daughter of Clarence's older brother King Edward IV. Links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database for each line are also included.

Edward IV = (probably) Margaret Fitzlewis, Dame Lucy (1440-1466, descended from Edward I), and had
A1) Margaret [Plantagenet] (b. c.1462) m. Sir Thomas Lumley (c.1462-1503, descended from Edward III), and had
A2) Roger Lumley of Ludworth Tower m. Isabel Ratcliffe (descended from Edward I), and had
A3) Agnes Lumley (d. 1564) m. John Lambton of Lambton Castle (c.1505-1549), and had
A4) Robert Lambton of Lambton Castle (d. 1583) m. Frances Eure (descended from Edward III), and had two daus A5 & B5 (see below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057898&tree=LEO
A5) Margaret Lambton m. Cuthbert Radcliffe of Blanchland (c.1545-1613, descended from Edward III), and had
A6) Jane Radcliffe (c.1590-aft.1653) m. 1) Nicholas Thornton of Witton Castle (d. 1632, descended from Edward III), and had
A7) Sir Nicholas Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (1611-1647) m. Anne Widdrington (d. aft.1653, descended from Edward III), and had
A8) John Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (1634-aft.1667) m. Mary Tempest (see B7 below), and had
A9) Nicholas Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (d. 1700) m. Anne Swinburne (descended from Edward III), and had
A10) John Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (c.1689-1742) m. Margaret Eyre (b. c.1690, descended from Edward III), and had
A11) James Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (d. 1761) m. Elizabeth Meynell (d. 1768, descended from James V of Scotland), and had
A12) Mary Thornton (1751-1793) m. Thomas Witham of Headlam (1750-1793, descended from Edward III), and had
A13) Elizabeth Witham (1778-1847) m. Henry Thomas Silvertop [later Witham] (1779-1844, descended from Edward III), and had
A14) Catherine Witham (1801-1857) m. Henry Englefield of Mayfair (1801-1843, descended from Edward III), and had
A15) Henry Charles Englefield [later Silvertop] of Minsteracres (1826-1887) m. 2) Caroline Filomena Weld (see C14 below), and had

http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00532888&tree=LEO [with 1st wife Hon. Eliza Stonor]

A16) Arthur Edward Silvertop of Kensington (1877-1916) m. Dorothy Dalglish (1885-1923), and had
A17) Diana Mary Caroline Silvertop (1907-1995) m. Basil Trappes-Lomax of Brooke House

B5) Isabel Lambton (1552-1623) m. Sir Nicholas Tempest, 1st Baronet of Stella (1553-1625), and had a son B6 & a dau C6 (see below)
B6) Sir Thomas Tempest, 2nd Baronet of Stella (c.1580-1641) m. Troth Tempest, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00529310&tree=LEO
B7) Mary Tempest m. John Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (see A8 above)

C6) Isabel Tempest (c.1583-1663) m. Sir Bertram Bulmer of Tursdale (1579-1638, descended from Edward III), and had
C7) Margaret Bulmer m. 1) John Smythe of Embleton (d. 1649, descended from Edward I), and had
C8) Sir Edward Smythe, 1st Baronet of Eshe Hall (1634-1714) m. Mary Lee (1643-1678, descended from Edward III), and had
C9) Sir John Smythe, 3rd Baronet of Eshe Hall (d. 1737) m. Constance Blount (1693-1733, descended from Edward III), and had
C10) Constantia Smythe (1713-1792) m. Marmaduke, 5th Baron Langdale of Holme (d. 1778, descended from Edward III), and had
C11) Hon. Mary Langdale (1752-1841) m. Charles Philip, 17th Baron Stourton (1752-1816, descended from Edward III), and had
C12) Hon. Charlotte Stourton (1782-1864) m. Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (1777-1863, descended from Edward III), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00628300&tree=LEO
C13) Edward Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (1806-1877) m. Ellen Caroline Wrey (1819-1866, descended from Henry IV), and had
C14) Caroline Filomena Weld (1844-1925) m. Henry Charles Silvertop of Minsteracres (see A15 above)

The next post will cover Diana Silvertop's descent from Henry IV.

Cheers, ------Brad

jhigg...@yahoo.com

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Feb 3, 2014, 9:20:18 PM2/3/14

On Sunday, February 2, 2014 1:37:35 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:

[snip]

>
> First up is Diana's probable 15-generation line of descent from James V, with links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database also given.
>
>
>
> James V of Scotland = Elizabeth Carmichael, and had
>
> 1) John Stewart, Lord Darnley, illegit. (c.1531-1563) m. Lady Jean Hepburn (c.1536-1599, descended from Edward III), and had
>
> 2) Francis Stewart, 1st Earl of Bothwell (1562-1612) m. Lady Margaret Douglas (c.1553-1640, descended from Edward III), and had
>
> 3) John Stewart of Coldingham, 2nd son (d. by 1656) m. Margaret Home, and had
>
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00286782&tree=LEO
>
> 4) Christian Stuart (d. 1684) m. Sir Edward Widdrington, 1st Baronet of Cartington (1614-1671, descended from Edward III), and had
>
> 5) Mary Widdrington (1632-1703) m. Sir Edward Charlton, 1st Baronet of Hesleyside (d. 1675, descended from Edward III), and had
>
> 6) Elizabeth Charlton m. William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1682, descended from Edward III), and had
>
> 7) Edward Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1710) m. Margaret Salkeld (d. 1728, descended from Edward III), and had

The family of Charlton of Hesleyside last appeared in BLG in the 1969 volume (vol. 2 of the 18th edition). There it shows that Sir Edward Charlton, Bt. (gen. 5 above), did have a daughter Elizabeth, but she died unmarried. Also William Charlton (gen. 6 above) who d. 1682) is shown as the brother of the baronet, and as having 3 wives - none of whom is Elizabeth Charlton. The 1969 version appears to match earlier editions of BLG going back to at least 1894. But earlier 19th-century editions of BLG and other Burke's publications appear to have several different versions of this family's pedigree, including some which say that Sir Edward's daughter Elizabeth married her cousin William - and the very brief account of Sir Edward in vol. 2 of the Complete Baronetage does have a footnote which says essentially the same.

Unless there is evidence from other sources (which I can't readily locate), I would rely on the version of the family in the later editions of BLG. This means that Edward Charlton (gen. 7 above) is not descended from Sir Edward the baronet and his wife Mary Widdrington - and thus Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax loses this James V descent.

As to the Edward III descents ascribed to Sir Edward Charlton, Bt. (d. 1675) and his brother William (d. 1682), such a descent is almost certainly not via the male line of the Charlton family. Their father, another William, married twice: 1st to Dorothy, daughter of John Thornton of Netherwitton, Northumberland, and 2nd to Elizabeth, daughter of William Fenwick of Blagdon, Northumberland. There is almost certainly an Edward III descent via the first (Thornton) marriage - through the family of Widdrington - but I haven't yet verified the details. But BLG is unspecific as to which wife was the mother of the two sons, so the descent is only tentative until (and unless) this maternity issue can be resolved in favor of Dorothy Thornton as the mother.

Brad Verity

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Feb 3, 2014, 9:33:48 PM2/3/14

On Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:24:37 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> The next post will cover Diana Silvertop's descent from Henry IV.

Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax's descent from Henry IV comes to her through her paternal grandmother, the second wife of Henry Silvertop of Minsteracres. Leo has this Henry in his database, with no dates or ancestry (and his first wife only), here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00532888&tree=LEO

Henry Charles Englefield was born 12 October 1826 at Paris, France, and died 3 December 1887 in South Kensington, London. He assumed the surname of 'Silvertop' in place of 'Englefield', by Royal licence in 1849, after he had inherited Minsteracres and other estates of the Silvertop & Witham families, his maternal relations. He married 1st 24 August 1852 at Stonor Park, Oxfordshire, Hon. Eliza Stonor (died 24 July 1860), and had issue. He married 2nd 21 August 1862 at St James Catholic Church, Spanish Place, Westminster, Caroline Filomena Weld (born 1844 at Winkton House, Christchurch, Hampshire, and died 26 December 1925 at Chelsea, London), and had further issue, including Diana's father.

Following is Diana's 19-generation descent from Henry IV, with a link to the most recent individual in Leo's database.

Henry IV had a son
1) Humphrey of Lancaster, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1390-1447) m. 2) Eleanor Cobham (c.1400-1452), and had
2) Antigone of Lancaster, illegit. (b. c.1420) m. 1) Henry Gray, 2nd Count of Tancarville (1420-1450, descended from Edward I), and had
3) Richard, 1st Lord Gray of Powis (1436-1466) m. Margaret Audley (c.1441-by1481, descended from Edward III), and had
4) John, 2nd Lord Gray of Powis (1460-1494) m. Lady Anne Herbert (b. c.1460), and had
5) John, 3rd Lord Gray of Powis (c.1485-1504) m. Margaret Dudley (c.1485-by1525, descended from Edward III), and had
6) Edward, 4th Lord Gray of Powis (1503-1551) = Jane Pount (d. 1583), and had
7) Edward Gray of Buildwas Abbey, illegit. (c.1542-1592) m. Chrysogona Gifford (descended from Edward III), and had
8) Chrysogona Gray m. Sir Moreton Briggs, 1st Baronet of Haughton (d. by 1647, descended from Edward I), and had
9) Robert Briggs of Shrewsbury (d. 1701) m. Sarah Moreton (d. 1699), and had
10) Martha Briggs m. 2) Sir John Stonhouse, 2nd Baronet of Radley (c.1639-1700), and had
11) Sir John Stonhouse, 3rd Baronet of Radley (c.1672-1733) m. 1) Mary Mellish (d. 1705), and had
12) Martha Stonhouse (1697-1782) m. Arthur Vansittart of Shottesbrook Park (1691-1760), and had
13) Anne Vansittart (1738-1788) m. Sir Robert Palk, 1st Baronet of Haldon House (1717-1798), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00081921&tree=LEO
14) Anne Palk (1764-1791) m. Sir Bourchier Wrey, 7th Baronet of Trebeigh (1757-1826, descended from Edward III), and had
15) Sir Bourchier Palk Wrey, 8th Baronet of Trebeigh (1788-1879) m. 1) Ellen Caroline O'Brien (1792-1842), and had
16) Ellen Caroline Wrey (1819-1866) m. Edward Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (1806-1877, descended from Edward IV), and had
17) Caroline Filomena Weld (1844-1925) m. Henry Charles Silvertop of Minsteracres (1826-1887, descended from Edward IV), and had
18) Arthur Edward Silvertop of Kensington (1877-1916) m. Dorothy Dalglish (1885-1923), and had
19) Diana Mary Caroline Silvertop (1907-1995) m. Basil Trappes-Lomax

Cheers, ----Brad

Brad Verity

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Feb 3, 2014, 11:11:57 PM2/3/14

On Monday, February 3, 2014 6:20:18 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Unless there is evidence from other sources (which I can't readily locate), I would rely on the version of the family in the later editions of BLG. This means that Edward Charlton (gen. 7 above) is not descended from Sir Edward the baronet and his wife Mary Widdrington - and thus Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax loses this James V descent.

Dear John,

Many thanks for bringing up this later BLG 1969 pedigree of Charlton of Hesleyside. I used a pedigree from an early (apparently pre-1894) 19th-century edition of BLG, and the account of the Charlton of Hesleyside baronetcy in 'Complete Baronetage' to trace the James V line of descent for Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax.

I agree that this later 20th-century pedigree of Charlton is the accurate one, so, yes, Diana loses the descent from James V that I had posted.

Just to quickly clarify, the James V descent is valid down to:

4) Christian Stuart (d. 1684) m. Sir Edward Widdrington, 1st Baronet of Cartington (1614-1671, descended from Edward III), and had
5) Mary Widdrington (1632-1703) m. Sir Edward Charlton, 1st Baronet of Hesleyside (d. 1675, descended from Edward III), and had
6) Elizabeth Charlton m. William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1682, descended from Edward III), and had

Elizabeth Charlton (generation #6 above) was a daughter of Sir Edward Charlton, Baronet & his wife Mary Widdrington. BUT, Elizabeth died unmarried - she did not marry William Charlton of Hesleyside, or anyone else. Diana Silvertop is not a descendant - Elizabeth Charlton has no descendants.

Though Elizabeth above died unmarried, Sir Edward Charlton, Bart & Mary Widdrington had three other daughters, according to the 1969 Charlton pedigree in BLG:

1) Christine Charlton m. John Talbot of Cartington
2) Mary Charlton m. Ralph Hardwick of Lethbury
3) Catherine Charlton m. Sir Nicholas Sherborn of Stonyhurst Hall

So there are most likely living descendants today of Sir Edward Charlton, Baronet, that do have this James V descent.

> As to the Edward III descents ascribed to Sir Edward Charlton, Bt. (d. 1675) and his brother William (d. 1682), such a descent is almost certainly not via the male line of the Charlton family. Their father, another William, married twice: 1st to Dorothy, daughter of John Thornton of Netherwitton, Northumberland, and 2nd to Elizabeth, daughter of William Fenwick of Blagdon, Northumberland. There is almost certainly an Edward III descent via the first (Thornton) marriage - through the family of Widdrington - but I haven't yet verified the details. But BLG is unspecific as to which wife was the mother of the two sons, so the descent is only tentative until (and unless) this maternity issue can be resolved in favor of Dorothy Thornton as the mother.

John Higgins kindly sent me offlist the Charlton of Hesleyside article from the 1969 BLG, so I was able to adjust my database, and the revised Edward III descents for Diana Silvertop through the Charltons will appear in my final set of posts on her ancestry, which I hope to make later tonight.

Thanks & Cheers, -----Brad

Brad Verity

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Feb 5, 2014, 3:18:26 PM2/5/14

Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax has 229 separate lines of descent from Edward III (not counting those thru Edward IV & Henry IV). The lines are laid out below, with links to the most recent individuals in Leo's database for each. Because of the vast number of lines, the post will be spilt into 9 parts.

Edward III had 4 sons A1, 4Z1, 9H1 & 9P1 (see below)
A1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth
Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
A2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortimer, 3rd Earl of
March (1352-1381), and had a dau A3 & a son 4M3 (see below)
A3) Lady Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy
(1364-1403), and had a son A4 & a dau 3O4 (see below)
A4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Lady Eleanor Neville (see 4Z3 below), and had 2 sons A5 & G5, & 2 daus NN5 & ZZ5 (see below)
A5) Sir Ralph Percy (1425-1464) m. Eleanor Acton (d. aft.1498), and had a dau A6 & a son C6 (see below)
A6) Margaret Percy m. Ralph Harbottle of Beamish (1453-1504, descended from Edward I), and had a son A7 & a dau B7 (see below)
A7) Sir Guiscard Harbottle of Beamish (1485-1513) m. Jane Willoughby,
and had
A8) Mary Harbottle (1507-1556) m. Sir Edward Fitton of Gawsworth (d.
1548), and had
A9) Margaret Fitton (c.1542-1612) m. John Englefield of Wootton Bassett
(d. 1567), and had
A10) Sir Francis Englefield, 1st Baronet of Wootton Bassett (1562-1651) m. Jane Browne (see 3C11 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140979&tree=LEO
A11) Anthony Englefield of Whiteknights House (1606-1667) m. Susan Ryley (c.1599-1664), and had
A12) Anthony Englefield of Whiteknights House (1637-1712) m. Alice Stokes, and had
A13) Henry Englefield of Whiteknights House (1670-1720) m. Catherine Poole (1679-1758), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00263880&tree=LEO
A14) Sir Henry Englefield, 6th Baronet of Wootton Bassett (1706-1780) m. 2) Catharine Buck (see 4Y16 below), and had
A15) Sir Henry Charles Englefield, 7th Baronet of Wootton Bassett (1752-1822) = Milborough Allpress (1765-1803), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00263885&tree=LEO
A16) Henry Englefield of Mayfair, illegit. (1801-1843) m. Catherine Witham (see B18 below), and had
A17) Henry Charles Englefield [later Silvertop] of Minsteracres (1826-1887) m. 2) Caroline Filomena Weld (see F19 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00532888&tree=LEO
A18) Arthur Edward Silvertop of Kensington (1877-1916) m. Dorothy Dalglish (1885-1923), and had
A19) Diana Mary Caroline Silvertop (1907-1995) m. Basil Trappes-Lomax

B7) Alice Harbottle m. John Hebborne of Hardwick, and had
B8) Richard Hebborne of Hardwick (d. 1560) m. Anne Metcalfe (d. aft.1561), and had
B9) Margaret Hebborne (d. 1603) m. Humphrey Blakiston of Great Chilton (d. by 1624, descended from Edward I), and had
B10) Anne Blakiston m. Gerard Salvin of Croxdale Hall (see 7T8 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00503951&tree=LEO
B11) Gerard Salvin of Croxdale Hall (d. 1663) m. 2) Mary Bellasis (see II11 below), and had
B12) Margaret Salvin (by1630-1662) m. Francis Appleby of Lartington Hall (1622-1663), and had
B13) Margaret Appleby (c.1652-1672) m. Thomas Maire of Hardwick Hall (see 8R10 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00503947&tree=LEO
B14) Thomas Maire of Lartington Hall (1672-1752) m. Mary Fermor (see O15 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00582099&tree=LEO
B15) Anastasia Maire (1710-1764) m. Sir Henry Lawson, 4th Baronet of Brough Hall (see I17 below), and had
B16) Catherine Lawson (1747-1832) m. John Silvertop of Minsteracres (1748-1801, descended from Edward I), and had
B17) Henry Thomas Silvertop [later Witham] of Lartington Hall (1779-1844) m. Elizabeth Witham (see C16 below), and had
B18) Catherine Witham (1801-1857) m. Henry Englefield of Mayfair (see A16 above)

C6) Sir Henry Percy of Dunstanburgh (d. 1486) m. Constance ----, and had
C7) Margery Percy m. Sir Henry Widdrington of Widdrington Castle (c.1478-1517, descended from Edward I), and had
C8) Sir John Widdrington of Widdrington Castle (1503-1571) m. twice, and had two daus C9 & D9 (see below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00214703&tree=LEO
C9) Martha Widdrington, by 2nd wife (c.1568-aft.1630) m. Thomas Sandford of Askham Hall (1567-1609), and had
C10) John Sandford of Askham Hall (1601-1630) m. Mary Aglionby, and had
C11) Thomas Sandford of Askham Hall (1628-1677) m. Elizabeth Orfeur (see 4G12 below), and had
C12) John Sandford of Collierley (1653-1717) m. Mary Emerson, and had
C13) Elizabeth Sandford (1683-1724) m. Anthony Meaburne of Pontop Hall (d. 1733), and had
C14) Catherine Meaburne (1715-1803) m. Henry Witham of Cliffe Hall (see J17 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116289&tree=LEO
C15) Thomas Witham of Headlam (1750-1793) m. Mary Thornton (see D17 below), and had
C16) Elizabeth Witham (1778-1847) m. Henry Thomas Witham of Lartington Hall (see B17 above)

D9) Dorothy Widdrington, by 1st wife (d. 1583) m. Sir Roger Fenwick of Wallington, and had
D10) Sir William Fenwick of Wallington (d. 1613) m. 2) Margaret Selby (d. 1631), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00089520&tree=LEO
D11) Sir William Fenwick of Meldon (d. 1652) m. 1) Isabel Gray (see MM11 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315987&tree=LEO
D12) Katherine Fenwick m. 1) Henry Lawson of Brough Hall (see H14 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00315986&tree=LEO [with 2nd husband]
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00529315&tree=LEO [with 1st husband]
D13) Isabella Lawson (c.1643-1725) m. Sir John Swinburne, 1st Baronet of Capheaton (see 3V14 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00529307&tree=LEO
D14) Anne Swinburne m. Nicholas Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (see E13 below), and had
D15) John Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (c.1689-1742) m. Margaret Eyre (see WW14 below), and had
D16) James Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (d. 1761) m. Elizabeth Meynell (see K16 below), and had
D17) Mary Thornton (1751-1793) m. Thomas Witham of Headlam (see C15 above)

E9) Edward Widdrington of Swinburne Castle, by 1st wife (d. 1577) m. Ursula Carnaby (see LL10 below), and had
E10) Sir Henry Widdrington of Widdrington Castle (c.1567-1623) m. Mary Curwen (see JJ11 below), and had a dau E11 & a son F11 (see below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116276&tree=LEO
E11) Anne Widdrington (d. aft.1653) m. Sir Nicholas Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (see 3S13 below), and had
E12) John Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (1634-aft.1667) m. Mary Tempest (see 3R13 below), and had
E13) Nicholas Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (d. 1700) m. Anne Swinburne (see D14 above)

F11) William, 1st Baron Widdrington of Blankney (1610-1651) m. Mary Thorold (d. 1676, descended from Edward I), and had
F12) William, 2nd Baron Widdrington of Blankney (c.1633-1675) m. Elizabeth Bertie (d. 1715, descended from Edward I), and had
F13) William, 3rd Baron Widdrington of Blankney (1656-1695) m. Hon. Alathea Fairfax (see G15 below), and had
F14) Hon. Elizabeth Widdrington (1689-1765) m. Marmaduke, 4th Baron Langdale of Holme (see 3F15 below), and had
F15) Marmaduke, 5th Baron Langdale of Holme (d. 1778) m. Constantia Smythe (see 3Q16 below), and had
F16) Hon. Mary Langdale (1752-1841) m. Charles Philip, 17th Baron Stourton (see L17 below), and had
F17) Hon. Charlotte Stourton (1782-1864) m. Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (see V18 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00628300&tree=LEO
F18) Edward Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (1806-1877) m. Ellen Caroline Wrey (see M19 below), and had
F19) Caroline Filomena Weld (1844-1925) m. Henry Charles Silvertop of Minsteracres (see A17 above)

G5) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) m. Eleanor Poynings (1428-1484, descended from Edward I), and had a son G6 & 2 daus W6 & Y6 (see below)
G6) Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland (c.1449-1489) m. Lady Maud Herbert (c.1457-by1487), and had a son G7, & 2 daus L7 & M7 (see below)
G7) Henry Algernon Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland (1478-1527) m. Katherine Spencer (see 8Y5 below), and had
G8) Lady Margaret Percy (c.1495-1540) m. Henry Clifford, 1st Earl of Cumberland (see 3O8 below), and had
G9) Lady Katherine Clifford (1518-1598) m. 1) John, 8th Lord Scrope of Bolton (see W8 below), and had 2 daus G10 & K10 (see below)
G10) Margaret Scrope m. Sir John Constable of Burton Constable (see 6X9 below), and had
G11) Sir Henry Constable of Burton Constable (c.1559-1608) m. Margaret Dormer (1562-1637), and had 2 daus G12 & H12 (see below)
G12) Katherine Constable (c.1578-1626) m. Thomas, 1st Viscount Fairfax of Emly (see HH10 below), and had
G13) Thomas, 2nd Viscount Fairfax of Emly (1596-1641) m. Alathea Howard (see R13 below), and had
G14) Charles, 5th Viscount Fairfax of Emly (1632-1711) m. Abigail Yate (see 6J11 below), and had
G15) Hon. Alathea Fairfax (1657-1694) m. William, 3rd Baron Widdrington of Blankney (see F13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00336883&tree=LEO

H12) Dorothy Constable (1580-1632) m. Roger Lawson of Heton Hall (see 8I11 below), and had
H13) Henry Lawson of Brough Hall (1601-1636) m. Anne Hodgson (see below), and had 2 sons H14 & I14 (see below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00272310&tree=LEO
H14) Henry Lawson of Brough Hall (c.1623-1645) m. Katherine Fenwick (see D12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00529314&tree=LEO

I14) Sir John Lawson, 1st Baronet of Brough Hall (1627-1698) m. Katherine Howard (see S14 below), and had
I15) Sir Henry Lawson, 2nd Baronet of Brough Hall (c.1653-1726) m. Elizabeth Knightley (see 5R12 below), and had a son I16 & a dau J16 (see below)
I16) Sir John Lawson, 3rd Baronet of Brough Hall (1686-1739) m. Mary Shelley (see 3N16 below), and had
I17) Sir Henry Lawson, 4th Baronet of Brough Hall (1712-1781) m. Anastasia Maire (see B15 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00582097&tree=LEO

J16) Anne Lawson m. William Witham of Cliffe Hall (see T15 below), and had
J17) Henry Witham of Cliffe Hall (1712-1771) m. Catherine Meaburne (see C14 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116288&tree=LEO

K10) Elizabeth Scrope (1537-1620) m. Thomas Pudsay of Barforth Hall (see 8M8 below), and had
K11) Winifred Pudsay (1570-1604) m. Thomas Meynell of Kilvington Hall (1564-1653), and had
K12) Anthony Meynell of Kilvington Hall (1592-1669) m. Mary Thwaites (d. 1669, descended from Edward I), and had
K13) Col. Thomas Meynell, Heir of Kilvington Hall (1614-1645) m. Gerard Ireland, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00504423&tree=LEO
K14) Roger Meynell of Kilvington Hall (1640-1683) m. Mary Middleton (see N14 below), and had
K15) Roger Meynell of Kilvington Hall (1673-1735) m. Anne Charlton (see KK15 below), and had
K16) Elizabeth Meynell (d. 1768) m. James Thornton of Netherwitton Hall (see D16 above)

L7) Lady Anne Percy (c.1480-1552) m. William Fitzalan, 11th Earl of Arundel (see 5D6 below), and had
L8) Henry Fitzalan, 12th Earl of Arundel (1512-1580) m. 1) Lady Katherine Grey (see below), and had
L9) Lady Mary Fitzalan (1539-1557) m. Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk (see R10 below), and had
L10) Philip Howard, 13th Earl of Arundel (1557-1595) m. Anne Dacre (see PP10 below), and had
L11) Thomas Howard, 14th Earl of Arundel (1585-1646) m. Lady Alethea Talbot (see SS11 below), and had
L12) Henry Frederick Howard, 15th Earl of Arundel (1608-1652) m. Lady Elizabeth Stuart (see 5G10 below), and had
L13) Henry Howard, 6th Duke of Norfolk (1628-1684) m. 1) Lady Anne Somerset (see QQ13 below), and had
L14) Lord Thomas Howard of Worksop (1656-1689) m. Mary Elizabeth Savile (see U15 below), and had
L15) Philip Howard of Buckenham House (1688-1750) m. 1) Winifred Stonor (see BB15 below), and had
L16) Winifred Howard (1726-1753) m. William, 16th Baron Stourton (see VV15 below), and had
L17) Charles Philip, 17th Baron Stourton (1752-1816) m. Hon. Mary Langdale (see F16 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00215346&tree=LEO

M7) Lady Eleanor Percy (c.1478-1531) m. Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham (see 6Q6 below), and had a son M8, & 2 daus N8 & Q8 (see below)
M8) Henry, 1st Baron Stafford (1501-1563) m. Ursula Pole (see 4M8 below), and had
M9) Dorothy Stafford (1526-1604) m. Sir William Stafford of Chebsey (c.1500-1566), and had
M10) Elizabeth Stafford (c.1546-1599) m. 1) Sir William Drury of Hawstead (see 4B11 below), and had
M11) Elizabeth Drury (1578-1653) m. William Cecil, 2nd Earl of Exeter (see 5O9 below), and had
M12) Lady Anne Cecil (1602-1676) m. Henry Grey, 1st Earl of Stamford (see 5J10 below), and had
M13) Lady Diana Grey (d. 1689) m. Robert Bruce, 1st Earl of Ailesbury (see 5Y11 below), and had
M14) Lady Christiana Bruce (c.1658-1720) m. 1) John Rolle of Bicton House (see 6A13 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00182297&tree=LEO
M15) Diana Rolle m. 2) Sir Bourchier Wrey, 5th Baronet of Trebeigh (see P15 below), and had
M16) Sir Bourchier Wrey, 6th Baronet of Trebeigh (1715-1784) m. 2) Ellen Thresher (see 4F16 below), and had
M17) Sir Bourchier Wrey, 7th Baronet of Trebeigh (1757-1826) m. 1) Anne Palk (see 6K15 below), and had
M18) Sir Bourchier Palk Wrey, 8th Baronet of Trebeigh (1788-1879) m. 1) Ellen Caroline O'Brien (1792-1842), and had
M19) Ellen Caroline Wrey (1819-1866) m. Edward Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (see F18 above)

N8) Lady Katherine Stafford (c.1499-1555) m. Ralph Neville, 4th Earl of Westmorland (see 8U7 below), and had a son N9 & a dau P9 (see below)
N9) Henry Neville, 5th Earl of Westmorland (1524-1564) m. 1) Lady Anne Manners (see 4O9 below), and had
N10) Charles Neville, 6th Earl of Westmorland (1542-1601) m. Lady Jane Howard (see Q10 below), and had
N11) Lady Anne Neville m. David Ingleby (see Y10 below), and had
N12) Mary Ingleby (d. 1644) m. Sir Peter Middleton of Stockeld (see FF11 below), and had a son N13 & a dau O13 (see below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008441&tree=LEO
N13) Sir John Middleton of Thrintoft Hall (d. 1654) m. Anne Markham, and had
N14) Mary Middleton (d. 1685) m. Roger Meynell of Kilvington Hall (see K14 above)

O13) Ursula Middleton (c.1615-1669) m. Henry Fermor of Tusmore Park (see 5P10 below), and had
O14) Richard Fermor of Tusmore Park (d. 1685) m. Frances Brooke (see 3M12 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00401927&tree=LEO
O15) Mary Fermor (1673-1735) m. Thomas Maire of Lartington Hall (see B14 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00582100&tree=LEO

P9) Lady Margaret Neville (d. 1559) m. Henry Manners, 2nd Earl of Rutland (see 4Q9 below), and had
P10) Lady Elizabeth Manners m. Sir William Courtenay of Powderham Castle (see 5Z9 below), and had
P11) Elizabeth Courtenay (d. aft.1634) m. Sir William Wrey, 1st Baronet of Trebeigh (d. 1636), and had
P12) Sir William Wrey, 2nd Baronet of Trebeigh (c.1601-1645) m. Hon. Elizabeth Chichester (see 9O9 below), and had
P13) Sir Chichester Wrey, 3rd Baronet of Trebeigh (1628-1668) m. Lady Anne Bourchier (see 4T12 below), and had
P14) Sir Bourchier Wrey, 4th Baronet of Trebeigh (c.1653-1696) m. Florence Rolle (see 6B13 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191785&tree=LEO
P15) Sir Bourchier Wrey, 5th Baronet of Trebeigh (c.1683-1726) m. Diana Rolle (see M15 above)

Q8) Lady Elizabeth Stafford (1497-1558) m. Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk (1473-1554, descended from Edward I), and had
Q9) Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (1516-1547) m. Lady Frances Vere (1517-1577, descended from Edward I), and had a dau Q10 & a son R10 (see below)
Q10) Lady Jane Howard (1537-1593) m. Charles Neville, 6th Earl of Westmorland (see N10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007933&tree=LEO

R10) Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk (1538-1572) m. three times, and had 2 sons R11 & L10 (see above), and a dau U11 (see below)
R11) Lord William Howard of Naworth Castle, by 2nd wife (see 6D8 below) (1563-1640) m. Elizabeth Dacre (see OO10 below), and had 2 sons R12 & T12 (see below)
R12) Sir Philip Howard, Heir of Naworth Castle (1581-1616) m. Margaret Caryll (b. c.1585), and had a dau R13 & a son S13 (see below)
R13) Alathea Howard (c.1600-1677) m. Thomas, 2nd Viscount Fairfax of Emly (see G13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008129&tree=LEO

S13) Sir William Howard of Naworth Castle (1603-1644) m. Hon. Mary Eure (see CC12 below), and had
S14) Katherine Howard (c.1630-1668) m. Sir John Lawson, 1st Baronet of Brough Hall (see I14 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008216&tree=LEO

T12) Sir Francis Howard of Corby Castle (1588-1659) m. 1) Margaret Preston (c.1600-1625, descended from Edward I), and had
T13) Elizabeth Howard m. Edward Standish of Standish Hall (1617-1682, descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008229&tree=LEO
T14) Elizabeth Standish (d. by 1688) m. John Witham of Cliffe Hall (see X13 below), and had
T15) William Witham of Cliffe Hall (1678-1723) m. Anne Lawson (see J16 above)

U11) Lady Margaret Howard, by 2nd wife (1562-1591) m. Robert Sackville, 2nd Earl of Dorset (1561-1609, descended from Edward I), and had
U12) Lady Cecily Sackville (d. 1624) m. Sir Henry Compton of Brambletye House (see 6U8 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00116581&tree=LEO
U13) Anne Compton (d. by 1656) m. Clement Paston of Binham (see RR12 below), and had 2 daus U14 & V14 (see below)
U14) Mary Paston (c.1645-1710) m. Sir John Savile, 1st Baronet of Copley (see Z14 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105133&tree=LEO
U15) Mary Elizabeth Savile (1663-1732) m. Lord Thomas Howard of Worksop (see L14 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105134&tree=LEO

V14) Anne Paston (c.1655-1693) m. Sir Rowland Stanley, 2nd Baronet of Hooton (see 6N13 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00628469&tree=LEO [incorrectly assigned Dorothy plumpton as mother]
V15) Sir William Stanley, 3rd Baronet of Hooton (1679-1740) m. Catherine Eyre (see XX14 below), and had
V16) Sir John Stanley-Massey-Stanley, 6th Baronet of Hooton (1711-1794) m. Mary Clifton (see YY15 below), and had
V17) Mary Stanley-Massey (1752-1830) m. Thomas Weld of Lulworth Castle (see AA16 below), and had
V18) Joseph Weld of Lulworth Castle (1777-1863) m. Hon. Charlotte Stourton (see F17 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00628299&tree=LEO

W6) Lady Elizabeth Percy (b. c.1460) m. Henry, 6th Lord Scrope of Bolton (c.1460-1506, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons W7 & X7 (see below)
W7) Henry, 7th Lord Scrope of Bolton (c.1480-1533) m. Mabel Dacre (see NN8 below), and had
W8) John, 8th Lord Scrope of Bolton (c.1515-1549) m. Lady Katherine Clifford (see G9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109102&tree=LEO

X7) John Scrope of Spennithorne (c.1496-1547) m. Phyllis Rokeby (d. 1576), and had
X8) Margaret Scrope (b. c.1522) m. Christopher Wyvill of Constable Burton (see 8A8 below), and had
X9) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 1st Baronet of Constable Burton (c.1542-1617) m. Magdalen Danby (see 7U7 below), and had
X10) Christopher Wyvill, Heir of Constable Burton (1562-1614) m. Jane Stapleton (see TT11 below), and had
X11) Sir Marmaduke Wyvill, 2nd Baronet of Constable Burton (d. 1648) m. Isabel Gascoigne (see EE12 below), and had
X12) Grace Wyvill (d. aft.1678) m. George Witham of Cliffe Hall (see GG13 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00638507&tree=LEO
X13) John Witham of Cliffe Hall (1652-aft.1707) m. 1) Elizabeth Standish (see T14 above)

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8Y4) Lady Eleanor Beaufort (c.1440-1501) m. 2) Sir Robert Spencer of Ashbury (c.1435-1510), and had 2 daus 8Y5 & 8Z5 (see below)
8Y5) Katherine Spencer (1477-1542) m. Henry Algernon Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland (see G7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002030&tree=LEO

8Z5) Margaret Spencer (b. c.1472) m. Thomas Carey of Moulsford (c.1460-1500, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons 8Z6 & 9B6 (see below)
8Z6) William Carey of Aldenham (c.1496-1528) m. Lady Mary Boleyn (c.1499-1543, descended from Edward I), and had a dau 8Z7 & a son 9A7 (see below)
8Z7) Katherine Carey (c.1523-1569) m. Sir Francis Knollys of Rotherfield Greys (c.1512-1596), and had
8Z8) Lettice Knollys (1543-1634) m. 1) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (see 3N9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062071&tree=LEO

9A7) Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon (1526-1596) m. Anne Morgan (1530-1607), and had
9A8) Katherine Carey (c.1549-1603) m. Charles Howard, 1st Earl of Nottingham (1536-1624, descended from Edward I), and had
9A9) Lady Frances Howard (1566-1628) m. 1) Henry Fitzgerald, 12th Earl of Kildare (see 5K8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008201&tree=LEO

9B6) Sir John Carey of Pleshey (c.1494-1552) m. Joyce Denny (1495-1559), and had
9B7) Sir Edward Carey of Aldenham (c.1540-1618) m. Katherine Knyvett (d. 1622, descended from Edward I), and had
9B8) Elizabeth Carey (b. c.1568) m. John, 1st Baron Savile of Pontefract (see 9C8 below), and had
9B9) Thomas Savile, 1st Earl of Sussex (1591-1659) m. 2) Lady Anne Villiers (see 8B11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00091177&tree=LEO

9C4) Lady Anne Beaufort (1443-bef.1492) m. William Paston of London (1434-1496), and had
9C5) Elizabeth Paston (c.1478-1547) m. 1) Sir John Savile of Thornhill (d. 1505), and had
9C6) Sir Henry Savile of Thornhill (1499-1558) = Margaret Barlaston, and had
9C7) Sir Robert Savile of Barkston, illegit. (c.1525-1585) m. 1) Anne Hussey (c.1515-1562), and had
9C8) John, 1st Baron Savile of Pontefract (1556-1630) m. 2) Elizabeth Carey (see 9B8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00137104&tree=LEO

9D3) Lady Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scotland (c.1403-1445) m. twice, and had 2 sons 9D4 & 9E4 (see below)
9D4) James II, King of Scotland, by 1st husband (1430-1460) m. Mary of Guelders (1433-1463, descended from Edward I), and had
9D5) Princess Mary Stewart (1451-1488) m. 2) James, 1st Lord Hamilton (c.1415-1479), and had
9D6) Elizabeth Hamilton (b. c.1477) m. Matthew Stewart, 2nd Earl of Lennox (by1463-1513), and had
9D7) John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Lennox (c.1495-1526) m. Lady Elizabeth Stewart (see 9E5 below), and had
9D8) John Stuart, 5th Seigneur of Aubigny (c.1519-1567) m. Anne de la Queuille, and had
9D9) Esmé Stuart, 1st Duke of Lennox (c.1543-1583) m. Catherine Balzac (d. c.1631), and had
9D10) Esmé Stuart, 3rd Duke of Lennox (1579-1624) m. Katherine Clifton (see 5G9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007582&tree=LEO

9E4) John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl, by 2nd husband (c.1440-1512) m. 2) Lady Eleanor Sinclair (d. 1519), and had
9E5) Lady Elizabeth Stewart m. John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Lennox (see 9D7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006018&tree=LEO

9F2) Cardinal Henry Beaufort, by 3rd wife (1375-1447) = unknown mistress, and had
9F3) Jane Beaufort, illegit. (c.1402-1479) m. Sir Edward Stradling of St Donats Castle (c.1389-1453), and had
9F4) Sir Henry Stradling of St Donats Castle (c.1423-1476) m. Elizabeth ap Thomas, and had
9F5) Thomas Stradling of St Donats Castle (c.1454-1480) m. Jennet Matthew (d. 1485), and had
9F6) Siân Stradling (b. c.1480) m. Sir William Griffith of Penrhyn (c.1480-1531, descended from Edward I), and had a son 9F7 & a dau 9G7 (see below)
9F7) Sir Edward Griffith of Port Penrhyn (1511-1540) m. Jane Puleston, and had
9F8) Ellen Griffith (d. 1573) m. Sir Nicholas Bagnall of Newry Castle (c.1510-1591), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00547626&tree=LEO [as dau of Sir Edward]
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00269233&tree=LEO [as mother of Mary]
9F9) Mary Bagnall m. Sir Patrick Barnewall of Turvey House (d. 1622), and had
9F10) Nicholas, 1st Viscount Barnewall of Kingsland (1592-1663) m. Lady Bridget Fitzgerald (see 5K9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117173&tree=LEO

9G7) Grace Griffith (b. c.1500) m. William Stanley of Hooton Hall (1499-1547), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346964&tree=LEO
9G8) Sir Rowland Stanley of Hooton Hall (1524-1613) m. 1) Margaret Aldersey, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00117735&tree=LEO
9G9) Sir William Stanley of Hooton Hall (1548-1630) m. Elizabeth Egerton (c.1550-1614, descended from Edward I), and had
9G10) William Stanley, Heir of Hooton Hall (1567-1613) m. Anne Herbert (see 6P9 above)

9H1) Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397) m. Lady Eleanor de Bohun (1366-1399, descended from Edward I), and had
9H2) Anne Plantagenet, Countess of Buckingham (1383-1438) m. three times, and had a dau 9H3 & 4 sons 9I3, 9J3, 9K3 & 9M3 (see below)
9H3) Lady Anne Stafford, by 2nd husband (c.1400-1432) m. 2) John Holland, 2nd Duke of Exeter (see 8T3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026573&tree=LEO

9I3) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, by 2nd husband (1402-1480) m. Lady Anne Neville (see 6Q3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026559&tree=LEO

9J3) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex, by 3rd husband (1404-1483) m. Lady Isabel Plantagenet (see 4X5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108530&tree=LEO

9K3) John Bourchier, 1st Lord Berners, by 3rd husband (c.1411-1474) m. Margery Berners (1409-1475), and had a dau 9K4 & a son 9L4 (see below)
9K4) Joan Bourchier (c.1448-1470) m. Sir Henry Neville, Heir of Latimer (see 7N4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057785&tree=LEO

9L4) Sir Humphrey Bourchier (1443-1471) m. Elizabeth Tilney (1446-1497), and had
9L5) Margaret Bourchier, Baroness Bryan (1468-1552) m. 1) Sir Thomas Bryan of Ashridge (d. 1517), and had
9L6) Elizabeth Bryan (d. 1546) m. Sir Nicholas Carew of Beddington (by1496-1539, descended from Edward I), and had
9L7) Mary Carew (b. c.1520) m. Sir Arthur Darcy of Brimham (see 8F8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00113961&tree=LEO

9M3) William Bourchier, 9th Lord FitzWarin, by 3rd husband (c.1409-1469) m. Thomasine Hankford (1423-1453), and had
9M4) Fulk Bourchier, 10th Lord FitzWarin (1445-1479) m. Elizabeth Dinham (c.1450-1516), and had
9M5) John Bourchier, 1st Earl of Bath (1470-1539) m. 1) Cecily Daubeney (b. c.1477), and had a son 9M6 & a dau 9N6 (see below)
9M6) John Bourchier, 2nd Earl of Bath (c.1499-1561) m. 2) Eleanor Manners (see 4T8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00114035&tree=LEO

9N6) Lady Elizabeth Bourchier (d. 1548) m. Edward Chichester of Hounditon (c.1496-1522), and had
9N7) Sir John Chichester of Raleigh (c.1520-1568) m. Gertrude Courtenay (1521-1566, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons 9N8 & 9O8 (see below)
9N8) Sir John Chichester of Raleigh (1548-1586) m. Anne Denys (see 5Y8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00325779&tree=LEO

9O8) Edward, 1st Viscount Chichester (1566-1648) m. Anne Copleston (1588-1617), and had
9O9) Hon. Elizabeth Chichester (1607-1670) m. Sir William Wrey, 2nd Baronet of Trebeigh (see P12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00191779&tree=LEO

9P1) Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (1341-1403) m. 1) Isabel of Castile (1355-1392), and had a son 9P2 & a dau 9Q2 (see below)
9P2) Richard Plantagenet, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (1385-1415) m. 1) Lady Anne Mortimer (see 4M4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001699&tree=LEO

9Q2) Lady Constance Plantagenet of York (c.1375-1416) married, and had a lover, and had 2 daus 9Q3 & 9S3 (see below)
9Q3) Lady Isabel Despenser, by husband (1400-1439) m. twice, and had 2 daus 9Q4 & 9R4 (see below)
9Q4) Lady Elizabeth Beauchamp, by 1st husband (1415-1448) m. Edward Neville, 3rd Lord Abergavenny (see 7F3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00037943&tree=LEO

9R4) Lady Anne Beauchamp, by 2nd husband (1426-1492) m. Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick (see 5B4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023299&tree=LEO

9S3) Eleanor Holland, illegit. by lover (b. c.1406) m. James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley (c.1398-1459), and had a son 9S4 & 2 daus 9T4 & 9U4 (see below)
9S4) Sir Humphrey Audley of Middleton (c.1435-1471) m. Elizabeth Courtenay (c.1435-1493, descended from Edward I), and had
9S5) Elizabeth Audley (d. by 1530) m. John Sydenham of Brimpton (c.1468-1542), and had
9S6) Sir John Sydenham of Brimpton (by1493-1557) m. Ursula Brydges (d. 1576), and had
9S7) Anne Sydenham m. Alexander Sydenham of Luxborough (d. 1584), and had
9S8) Elizabeth Sydenham (1562-1595) m. Sir John Poyntz of Iron Acton (c.1560-1633, descended from Edward I), and had
9S9) Elizabeth Poyntz (d. 1673) m. 1) Thomas Butler, Viscount Thurles (c.1590-1619, descended from Edward I), and had
9S10) Hon. Eleanor Butler (1612-1682) m. Donough MacCarthy, 1st Earl of Clancarty (1594-1665, descended from Edward I), and had
9S11) Lady Margaret MacCarthy (d. 1704) m. Luke Plunkett, 3rd Earl of Fingall (see 5K11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00630399&tree=LEO

9T4) Margaret Audley (c.1441-by1481) m. 1) Richard, 1st Lord Gray of Powis (1436-1466, descended from Henry IV), and had
9T5) John, 2nd Lord Gray of Powis (1460-1494) m. Lady Anne Herbert (b. c.1460), and had
9T6) John, 3rd Lord Gray of Powis (c.1485-1504) m. Margaret Dudley (see 7E6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00247551&tree=LEO

9U4) Constance Audley (b. c.1437) m. Robert Whitney of Whitney (c.1436-1494), and had
9U5) Joan Whitney m. Sir Roger Vaughan of Porthaml (c.1436-1514), and had
9U6) Elsbeth Vaughan m. Thomas Morgan of Machen (d. aft.1538), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00282843&tree=LEO
9U7) Constance Morgan m. William Jones of Treowen, and had
9U8) John Jones of Treowen (d. by 1609) m. Anne Dodington, and had
9U9) William Jones of Treowen (c.1575-1640) m. Jane Gwillim (d. aft.1648), and had
9U10) Sir Philip Jones of Treowen (1602-1660) m. Elizabeth Morgan (see 3L11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00628804&tree=LEO

Cheers, -------Brad

Kelsey Jackson Williams

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Feb 6, 2014, 5:18:02 AM2/6/14

Dear Brad (et al.),

I've been enjoying your fascinating postings on modern(ish) British descents from medieval royalty. This latest series of descents has prompted some questions on my part which I thought might be of more general interest. While descending 229 times over from a single fourteenth-century individual seems like a lot, it doesn't represent anything close to a meaningful inbreeding coefficient (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_relationship). However, if Miss Trappes-Lomax's descents from Edward III are not a statistical aberration, but represent one example of a much larger number of multiple descents from a limited pool of individuals -- presumably the aristocracy of late medieval Britain -- then I wonder if we might actually be dealing with statistically meaningful inbreeding? If memory serves, this has been discussed here before and about the only genealogical example anyone could provide of long-term, meaningful inbreeding was the Spanish royal family, but I wonder whether evidence of inbreeding over a longer time-frame and larger scale might be revealed by projects like this one?

Again, these are just thoughts off the top of my head (and certainly not supported by any scientific knowledge), but they struck me as potentially of interest for those who study the "deep ancestry" (to borrow a favourite adjective of modern historians) of the British middle and upper classes.

All the best,
Kelsey
http://scottishgenealogy.weebly.com/

al...@mindspring.com

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Feb 6, 2014, 6:30:40 AM2/6/14

great work as always

one typo i saw

4F12) John Long of Wraxhall (1616-1652) m. Catherine Paynter, and had
4F13) Anne Long (1657-1705) m. Henry Long of Melksham (1658-1687), and had

not likely she was born five years after her fathers death.

Doug Smith

Brad Verity

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Feb 6, 2014, 9:08:58 PM2/6/14

Dear Doug,

Good catch! From Access to Archives/Wiltshire and Swindon Archives/The Long Families of Rood Ashton, South Wraxall, Whaddon, Draycot Cerne and Elsewhere/947/919/1

"1685. Settlement on the marriage of Henry Long of Melksham and Anne, daughter of John Long of South Wraxall (d.1652), of the manor and farm of Collingbourne Ducis. Parties: Long, Aubrey":
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=190-947&cid=-1#-1

John Long of Wraxall was definitely buried in St James Church, South Wraxall, Wiltshire in 1652:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/results?event=D&recordCount=-1&forenames=JOHN&includeForenamesVariants=true&_includeForenamesVariants=on&surname=LONG&_includeSurnameVariants=on&eventYear=1652&eventYearTolerance=5&birthYear=&birthYearTolerance=5&county=WIL&place=

The monument inscription in St James Church, South Wraxall, for his daughter Anne, wife of Henry Long of Melksham, states "Near this Place lyeth also ye Body of Ann, ye Wife, of Henry Long, Esq. She Departed this life y° 4th of Oct. 1705, Aged 48 years":
http://books.google.ca/books?ei=4D70Ur2mMoXYoAS5tYGgAw&id=rF0zAQAAIAAJ&dq=Near+this+Place+lyeth+also+ye+Body+of+Ann%2C+ye+Wife%2C+of+Henry+Long%2C+Esq.+She+Departed+this+life+y°+4th+of+Oct.+1705%2C+Aged+48+years.&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=1705%2C+Aged+48+years

Clearly, her age at death as stated on her M.I. has to be incorrect.

Thanks & Cheers, -----Brad

Chris Pitt Lewis

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Feb 7, 2014, 6:59:50 AM2/7/14

Brad

The will of John Long (indexed by Ancestry as Longe) of South Wraxhall,
Wilts, Esquire dated 19 Feb 1651 (i.e. presumably 1651/2) was proved in
the PCC 12 July 1652. Among other things he leaves property "for and
towards the diet education & mainteynance of all my children That is to
say Elizabeth Long, Katharine Long, Hope Long, Love Longe, and the child
or children which my said wife goeth with or is lately brought to bed
of" [he had previously mentioned his wife Katherine].

If the unborn child was Anne, which seems a reasonable supposition, she
must have been born in 1652.

We know Anne was Hope Long's sister from another document in the
Wiltshire Archives on the page linked in your post:
947/919/2 1685 Articles of agreement between Henry Long of Melksham
and Hope Long of South Wraxall for the discharge of a mortgage raised by
the former on Collingbourne Ducis farm, in consequence of his marriage
to the latter's sister, Anne.

Aren't Hope Long and Love Long brilliant names?
--
Chris Pitt Lewis

Brad Verity

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Feb 7, 2014, 2:40:47 PM2/7/14

On Friday, February 7, 2014 3:59:50 AM UTC-8, Chris Pitt Lewis wrote:
> The will of John Long (indexed by Ancestry as Longe) of South Wraxhall,
> Wilts, Esquire dated 19 Feb 1651 (i.e. presumably 1651/2) was proved in
> the PCC 12 July 1652. Among other things he leaves property "for and
> towards the diet education & mainteynance of all my children That is to
> say Elizabeth Long, Katharine Long, Hope Long, Love Longe, and the child
> or children which my said wife goeth with or is lately brought to bed
> of" [he had previously mentioned his wife Katherine].
> If the unborn child was Anne, which seems a reasonable supposition, she
> must have been born in 1652.

Dear Chris,

Many thanks for this. I think, through process of elimination, the unborn child mentioned by John Long in his February 1651/2 will has to have been his daughter Anne. I've made her birthdate 1652 in my database.

This makes her a few years older than her husband Henry Long of Melksham, who was christened 20 May 1658 at St Mary Church, Steeple Ashton, Wiltshire. But this was a marriage of cousins arranged within the Long family, so her being six years older than him is not so extraordinary.

> We know Anne was Hope Long's sister from another document in the
> Wiltshire Archives on the page linked in your post:
> 947/919/2 1685 Articles of agreement between Henry Long of Melksham
> and Hope Long of South Wraxall for the discharge of a mortgage raised by
> the former on Collingbourne Ducis farm, in consequence of his marriage
> to the latter's sister, Anne.

Yes.

> Aren't Hope Long and Love Long brilliant names?

Yes, and I love that John Taylor from the 1980s pop rock group Duran Duran today lives in South Wraxall Manor House, the longtime seat of these Longs:
http://longfamilyofwiltshire.webs.com

Thanks & Cheers, ---Brad

Brad Verity

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Mar 5, 2014, 4:00:47 PM3/5/14

On Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:24:37 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> C6) Isabel Tempest (c.1583-1663) m. Sir Bertram Bulmer of Tursdale (1579-1638, descended from Edward III), and had
> C7) Margaret Bulmer m. 1) John Smythe of Embleton (d. 1649, descended from Edward I), and had

John Higgins asked me off list what the Edward I descent was for John Smythe of Embleton, which I had mentioned above. As it's not immediately obvious in published peerage works, I figure I'd post it.

Edward I had a dau:
1) Joan of Acre (1272-1307) m. 1) Gilbert de Clare, 6th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295), and had
2) Eleanor de Clare (1292-1337) m. 1) Hugh, 2nd Lord Despenser (c.1289-1326), and had
3) Sir Edward Despenser of Essendine (c.1311-1342) m. Anne Ferrers (c.1315-1367), and had
4) Edward, 4th Lord Despenser (1336-1375) m. Elizabeth Burghersh (1342-1409), and had
5) Elizabeth Despenser (c.1362-1408) m. 1) John Fitzalan, 2nd Lord Arundel (1364-1390), and had
6) Sir Thomas Fitzalan of Betchworth Castle (c.1390-1431) m. Joan Moyne, and had
7) Eleanor Fitzalan m. 1) Sir Thomas Browne of Betchworth Castle (d. 1460), and had
8) Katherine Browne (b. c.1440) m. Humphrey Sackville of Withyham (1436-1488), and had
9) Richard Sackville of Withyham (c.1460-1524) m. Isabel Digges (b. c.1465), and had
10) Mildred Sackville (d. by 1528) m. Sir William Fitzwilliam of Milton (c.1460-1534), and had
11) Mary Fitzwilliam (c.1519-1579) m. John Shelley of Michelgrove House (1506-1550), and had
12) Margaret Shelley (d. 1595) m. Edward Gage of Bentley Park (c.1545-1614), and had
13) Margaret Gage (b. c.1569) m. George Smythe of Eshe Hall (by1564-aft.1621), and had
14) John Smythe of Embleton (d. 1649) m. Margaret Bulmer (descended from Edward IV)

John Smythe of Embleton was ancestor of the Smythe Baronets of Eshe Hall, and of Maria Smythe, Mrs Fitzherbert, the secret Catholic wife of George IV.

Cheers, ----Brad

jhigg...@yahoo.com

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Mar 10, 2014, 11:30:16 PM3/10/14

On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 12:38:10 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:

>
> 7W5) Margery Greystoke m. Sir Thomas Gray of Chillingham Castle (c.1455-1498, descended from Edward I), and had
>
> 7W6) Sir Ralph Gray of Chillingham Castle (1479-1507) m. Elizabeth --- (d. aft.1532), and had
>
> 7W7) Margery Gray m. 1) Nicholas Thornton of Witton Castle (d. aft.1530), and had 2 sons 7W8 & 7Y8 (see below)
>
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00347085&tree=LEO
>
> 7W8) Roger Thornton of Witton Castle m. Margaret Lawson, and had
>
> 7W9) Barbara Thornton m. her 1st cousin John Thornton of Witton-by-the -Waters (see 7Y9 below), and had a son 7W10 & a dau 7X10 (see below)
>
> 7W10) Nicholas Thornton of Witton Castle (d. 1632) m. 2) Jane Radcliffe (see 3S12 above)
>
>
>
> 7X10) Dorothy Thornton m. William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall, and had*
>
> 7X11) William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1682) m. 3) Elizabeth Musgrave (see 3Y14 above)
>
>
>
> *Dorothy Thornton was married to William Charlton, as his first wife, by 1615:
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/visitationofnort00sainrich#page/50/mode/2up
>
> There is a possibility that William Charlton #7X11 above was William Charlton's son by his second wife Elizabeth Fenwick of Blagdon Hall.
>
>
>
> 7Y8) Lawrence Thornton of Witton-by-the-Waters m. Elizabeth Collingwood, and had
>
> 7Y9) John Thornton of Witton-by-the-Waters m. his 1st cousin Barbara Thornton (see 7W9 above)
>

The reference to Dorothy Thornton in the URL above is to the 1615 Visitation of Northumberland. It says that Dorothy married Edward, not William, Charlton and doesn't indicate whether the husband (whoever he was) was married multiple times. Thus it does not really support the account of the Charlton family in BLG, referenced earlier in this thread, that William Charlton of Hesleyside marrried (1) Dorothy Thornton of Netherwitton and (2) Elizabeth Fenwick of Blagdon without identifying either wife as the mother of the children And accordingly it does not support an Edward III descent for the children of William Charlton.

There is another piece of evidence which also argues against the connection via Dorothy Thornton. There is a very detailed and generally well documented pedigree of the family of Charlton of Hesleyside in vol. 15 (pub. 1940) of the [new] "History of Northumberland". It assigns all of the children of William Charlton to Elizabeth Fenwick, indicated to be his sole wife - and doesn't even mention Dorothy Thornton. The source for this, and specifically the details on Elizabeth Fenwick, is identified in a footnote as a "Pedigree dated 25 August 1695, by Robert Dale Blanch Lion, 'from the information of my Lady Charlton", now at Hesleyside".

William Charlton is known to have been living in 1648, so the 1695 pedigree is less than half a century later - and thus reasonably contemporaneous. There is no doubt some reason why the BLG pedigree mentions Dorothy Thornton, but without further evidence there doesn't seem to be adequate support at the moment for the conjecture that she was the mother of William's children (or even his wife necessarily). Thus his children appear to lose the Edward III descents given in Brad's very thorough series of posts.

Brad Verity

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Mar 15, 2014, 2:04:34 PM3/15/14

On Monday, March 10, 2014 8:30:16 PM UTC-7, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The reference to Dorothy Thornton in the URL above is to the 1615 Visitation of Northumberland. It says that Dorothy married Edward, not William, Charlton and doesn't indicate whether the husband (whoever he was) was married multiple times. Thus it does not really support the account of the Charlton family in BLG, referenced earlier in this thread, that William Charlton of Hesleyside marrried (1) Dorothy Thornton of Netherwitton and (2) Elizabeth Fenwick of Blagdon without identifying either wife as the mother of the children And accordingly it does not support an Edward III descent for the children of William Charlton.
> There is another piece of evidence which also argues against the connection via Dorothy Thornton. There is a very detailed and generally well documented pedigree of the family of Charlton of Hesleyside in vol. 15 (pub. 1940) of the [new] "History of Northumberland". It assigns all of the children of William Charlton to Elizabeth Fenwick, indicated to be his sole wife - and doesn't even mention Dorothy Thornton. The source for this, and specifically the details on Elizabeth Fenwick, is identified in a footnote as a "Pedigree dated 25 August 1695, by Robert Dale Blanch Lion, 'from the information of my Lady Charlton", now at Hesleyside".

Many thanks, John, for looking into this, and for sending me the Charlton of Hesleyside pedigree from the 1940 volume of 'History of Northumberland'. I agree that the pedigree is very thorough, and should be viewed as more authoritative than the BLG pedigree.

I had assumed that Dorothy Thornton's husband being called 'Edward' Charlton in the 1615 Visitation pedigree of the Thorntons was an error, with the family mistaking the name of her eldest son Edward for that of her husband William Charlton. But now that it seems as if Dorothy Thornton wasn't married to William Charlton at all, it's curious as to which Charlton she was married to. Looking at the 1940 pedigree, her husband could have been "Edward Charlton, alias Heron reputed son [of Edward Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1614), presumably by his 2nd wife Elizabeth, dau of Sir George Heron of Chipchase, born before their marriage], his father made him a grant of Anton Hill; Hesleyside was settled upon him failing the heirs male of William, son of Matthew Charlton, 6th September, 1605; gave evidence in 1616, then aged 40". The chronology certainly works.

> William Charlton is known to have been living in 1648, so the 1695 pedigree is less than half a century later - and thus reasonably contemporaneous. There is no doubt some reason why the BLG pedigree mentions Dorothy Thornton, but without further evidence there doesn't seem to be adequate support at the moment for the conjecture that she was the mother of William's children (or even his wife necessarily). Thus his children appear to lose the Edward III descents given in Brad's very thorough series of posts.

Also, looking at the names of the children of William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall - Edward, William, Matthew, Francis, Katherine, Ann - none fit as children of Dorothy Thornton, whose own parents were named John and Barbara.

Just to clarify, Diana Silvertop Trappes-Lomax still has John Thornton of Witton-by-the-Waters and his first cousin wife Barbara Thornton of Witton Castle, as ancestors. She has a valid line of descent from them thru their son Nicholas Thornton of Witton Castle (d. 1632). What Diana loses is their daughter Dorothy Thornton as an ancestor. The mother of Diana's ancestor William Charlton of Hesleyside Hall (d. 1682) should be changed from Dorothy Thornton to Elizabeth, daughter of William Fenwick of Blagdon Hall. I've done so in my database.

Thanks & Cheers, -----Brad

loretta...@gmail.com

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Sep 13, 2018, 5:07:31 PM9/13/18

Hi brad , I have just been reading you extensive history on Diana silvertop , I understand that it's been 4 years since this article was posted , but I am anxious to make contact with anyone who might have information on the silvertop family . In particular whether Diana has any living sons or daughters . The reason I'm anxious to get in contact with any living relative is very unique , so if by any chance you can help me I would be very grateful
Yours sincerely Kevin

Brad Verity

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Sep 15, 2018, 3:06:36 PM9/15/18

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 2:07:31 PM UTC-7, loretta...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi brad , I have just been reading you extensive history on Diana silvertop , I understand that it's been 4 years since this article was posted , but I am anxious to make contact with anyone who might have information on the silvertop family . In particular whether Diana has any living sons or daughters . The reason I'm anxious to get in contact with any living relative is very unique , so if by any chance you can help me I would be very grateful
> Yours sincerely Kevin

Dear Kevin,

The Trappes-Lomax family that Diana Silvertop married into is covered in the Stafford article in the most recent edition of Burke's Peerage (2003), p. 3710. Her eldest two children are deceased without issue, but her younger daughter is widowed with three children and twelve grandchildren. So plenty of descendants.

Your best route would be to try and contact Diana's youngest child, John Trappes-Lomax, a former schoolmaster and published author of a family history work. He may be open to inquires about the genealogy of the Trappes-Lomax and Silvertop families. Here is his entry from Burke's Peerage:
“2e ●John Michael [John Trappes-Lomax Esquire, 131 Southgate St, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk IP33 2AF]; b 23 April 1947; educ Downside and Gonville and Caius College Cambridge (MA); schoolmaster 1974-97; author The Lingard-Lomax Letters (2000).”

Also, if you can track down the 1952 edition of Burke's Landed Gentry, it has an article on the Silvertop of Minsteracres family (p. 2312).

Hope this helps - good luck with your research.

Cheers, -----Brad

loretta...@gmail.com

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Sep 25, 2018, 10:37:24 AM9/25/18

Dear brad , thanks for your speedy reply . You might be interested in my connection with the silvertop family but I would rather discuss it outside the group , if so let me know . Thanks again for your help

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