Nevill(e) of Scotton, co. Lincs.
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
Following is a tentative pedigree of the Nevilles of Scotton,
Lincs. This family is of particular interest as their
descendants included the Greystoke (Lords Greystoke), Hilton (of
Swine and Winestead), Hildyard (of Winestead) and numerous other
families, and thereby a host of descendants (list members
and not).
Several sources have been found to include references, but
there are portions of Farrer's Early Yorkshire Charters (vol II)
which have not been seen. Should anyone have further details
from that or any other source concerning this family, that
information would be of great interest.
Cheers,
John *
1 Ralph de Nevill
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possibly the 'Radulpho de Novavilla' [or his son] who witnessed
the charters of Walter de Gant and his son Gilbert, earl of
Lincoln, founding the priory of Bridlington
[Mon. Angl. VI(1):285-6, Num. I, II[1]]
Children: Ralph (-<1212)
1.1 Ralph de Nevill
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Death: bef 1212[2]
of Scotton, co. Lincs. and Filey, co. Yorks.
' In 1189 the latter family [of Scotton] was represented by
Ralph de Nevill, who then held 3 fees of the abbot of
Peterborough in Scotton, Manton and elsewhere. '
[Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
' Radulphus de Nevill, filius Radulphi de Nevill ', granted a
charter to Bridlington priory of stone from his quarry of
Filey, co. Yorks. for use in building the monastery and other
buildings, 1194x1212:
'Omnibus Christi fidelibus, ad quo praesens scriptum
pervenerit Radulphus de Nevill, filius Radulphi de Nevill, salutem.
Noveritis me dedisse, et hac praesenti Carta mea confirmasse Deo,
et Ecclisiae, et Canocis de Bridlintona. Petram in petraria de
Fivele ad fabricam Monasterii sui, et officinarum suarum omnium,
ubique illis habendam, et sumptus suos fodiendam, et capiemdam,
ubi, quantum et quando voluerint. Et praeterea concessi, quod
habeant largam, liberam. Et rationabilem viam, super falesiam
peteriae per totam longitudinem dictaea falesiae, et ubique,
scilicet, tam in loco, qui appelatur 'Le Hok' quam ailibi, ubi
possunt petram invenire, cum libero ingressu, et egressu, ad
carrectas suas ad predictam petram cariandam. Et ego et haeredes
mei, praedictam petrariam cum rationobali via et aliis
pertinentiis. Praedictis Canonicis contra omnes homines
warantizabimus in perpetuum , et defendemus. In cujus rei
testimonium nuic scripto sigullum meum apposui Hiis testibus,
&c. ' [Mon. Angl. VI(1):288, Num. XIV[1]; also charter 1176,
' Ralph de Nevil the son to Bridlington - stone from Filey
quarry. 1194-1230. ', in EYC II:466[3]]
Children: Robert (-<1220)
1.1.1 Robert de Nevill
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Death: bef 22 Jan 1220[3]
of Scotton, co. Lincs.
succeeded his father in 1212 or before:
he held 3 fees of the abbot of Peterborough in Scotton,
Manton ['Malmetun'], and Holme and Askeby, 1212:
' In the Testa de Nevill for the county of Lincoln these
earlier entries of the reign of King John occur;
... Westriding of Lindsey.....
Idem abbas tenet in Holme in Ragnildtorp et in Askeby feodum
unius militis. Robertus de Nevilla tenet illud de eo.
Idem abbas tenet in Malmetun duas partes tercie partis unius
militis. Robertus de Nevilla tenet illud de eo.
....
Idem abbas tenet in Scottun feodum unius militis et terciam
partem feodi unius militis. Robert de Nevilla tenet
illud de eo. ' [Chronicon Petroburgense pp. 180-1[2]]
' In 1189 the latter family [of Scotton] was represented by
Ralph de Nevill, who then held 3 fees of the abbot of
Peterborough in Scotton, Manton and elsewhere. In 1212 these
fees were held by Robert de Nevill;.. ' [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
he d. before 22 Jan 1220/1:
' On 22 January, 1221, the king granted, until he [the King]
attained his majority, to Ralph de Nevill of "Scottun" a weekly
market on Friday at Ralph's manor of Filey (Fislei) with a
mandate to the sheriff of York. ' [Farrer, EYC II:464[3]]
Children: Ralph (-<1243)
1.1.1.1 Ralph de Nevill
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Death: bef 1243[3]
of Scotton, co. Lincs. and Filey, co. Yorks.
' On 22 January, 1221, the king granted, until he [the King]
attained his majority, to Ralph de Nevill of "Scottun" a weekly
market on Friday at Ralph's manor of Filey (Fislei) with a
mandate to the sheriff of York. Ralph was living in 1230 when
Robert son of Gerebrict demanded against him 2 bovates in
Muston with 2 tofts as his right, into which Ralph had no
entry except by Geoffrey de Nevill, to whom Gerebrict de
Muston, father of the plaintiff, demised them for a term
only. ' [Farrer, EYC II:464[3]]
held 3 fees of the abbot of Peterborough in Scotton, Manton
and elsewhere in 1227 [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
' In 1231, it was alleged that the market [at Filey, co. Yorks.]
(the day of which was not given) was being held by Ralph de
Neovill, Simon de Cockefeuld and Isabella his wife, to the
detriment of that at Hunmanby, Yorkshire. The market had been
set up by Brian de Insula during the minority, to last only
until K Hen III came of age. However, the defendants
successfully asserted that they had not raised a market
(CRR, xiiii, no. 1090). '[4]
he d. before 1244; his son Philip had a grant of free warren in
1243 [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
' In 1189 the latter family [of Scotton] was represented by
Ralph de Nevill, who then held 3 fees of the abbot of
Peterborough in Scotton, Manton and elsewhere. In 1212
these fees were held by Robert de Nevill; in 1227 by Ralph
de Nevill;.... ' [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
Children: Philip (-<1274)
1.1.1.1.1 Philip de Nevill
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Death: bef 19 Aug 1274[2]
of Scotton, co. Lincs.
he succeeded his father in 1243 or before:
3 fees were held 'of the abbot of Peterborough in Scotton,
Manton and elsewhere, in 1243 by Philip de Nevill, ' who had
a grant of free warren. ' [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
he evidently d. before 19 August 1274, when his son Robert
rendered homage to Edward I during his coronation at Westminster
[Chronicon Petroburgense p. 21[2]]
Children: Robert (->1293)
1.1.1.1.1.1 Robert de Nevill
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Death: aft 28 Nov 1293[5]
of Scotton, co. Lincs.
record of the return of Edward from the Crusade, his coronation
at Westminster on 19 August 1274, and of homage rendered by
Robert de Neville (evidently at the coronation):
" Hoc anno rediit dominus Edwardus de partibus Terre Sancte, et
coronatus fuit dominica post assumpcionem beate marie apud
Westmonasterium convenientibus ibidem omnibus magnatibus
Anglie, et multis aliis. Dominus Robertus de Nevilla fecit
homagium. " [Chronicon Petroburgense p. 21[2]]
record of an agreement dated 1283, between the abbot and
convent of St. Peterborough, lord Robert de Nevile
[ "dominum Robertum de Nevile" ] and John le Tailur of
Scotton granting a moiety of pastureland near the marsh
of Scotton to St. Peterborough, ' with the other moiety
remaining to the said Robert and John ' [" Et altera medietas
penes dictos Robertum et Johannem remanebit. Ita scilicet
quod due partes dicte medietatis penes dominum Robertum
remanebunt,..."] [Chronicon Petroburgense, pp. 65-66[2]]
he married Angharad ferch Gruffydd [widow of William le Boteler
of Wem), daughter of Gruffydd ap Madog by his wife Emma de
Audley (licence for same was granted on 10 June 1285)
[CP II:231[6], sub _Boteler, Botiler or Butiller (of Wem)_,
cites CCR 12 Edw I, m. 9 and CPR 13 Edw. I, m. 10.]
Robert de Nevill of Scotton had letters of protection for
3 years dated 26 Nov 1290, due to his pilgrimage to Jerusalem;
he may have been in England by 24 May 1293, when a commission
was granted to R. le Porter and J. de Sylvestrode concerning
the breaking of the park of Robert de Nevill and Angareta his
wife at Oversley, co. Warwicks. [Knights of Edward I (HSP 82),
III:261[7], cites CPR (no date).
The commission was dated at Westminster, 24 May 1293:
' The like to the same touching the persons who entered the
park of Robert de Nevill and Angareta his wife at Overeslegh,
held as the dower of Angareta of the gift of William le
Botiller, sometime her husband. ' [ CPR 21 Edw I, p. 46,
m. 15d.[8]]
He had certainly returned by November 1293, and was still
living at the time of a mandate dated at Westminster,
28 Nov 1293, concerning the chapel of St. Mary at Scotton,
Lincs. Mandate dated at Westminster, 28 Nov 1293:
'C 143/22/9
to Robert de Nevill of Scotton to grant messuages and land in
Scotton and Northorpe to a chaplain in the chapel of St. Mary
at Scotton, retaining land in Scotton and Manton. Lincoln.'[5]
Spouse: Angharad ferch Gruffydd[9]
Death: aft 22 Jun 1308[6],[9]
Father: Gruffydd 'Maelor' II ap Madog (-1269)
Mother: Emma de Audley
Marr: ca 10 Jun 1285[6]
Children: Elizabeth (-1346)
Sir Philip
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Elizabeth de Nevill[6]
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Death: 17 Nov 1346[6]
Genealogics #I00177584[10]
' Nov. 25, 1346, nuncupative will of Elizabet de Graystok.
To be buried in the church of Butterwick. Sir Ralph de
Hastings, knt., sen., and Richard de Neville, rector of
Scotton, executors. They renounce, and William de Kelk
administered. (Reg. Zouche, 305b.) She was a Neville,
and the widow of Robert fitz Ralph, lord of Graystock.
According to what is called the Greystock Roll, which is
now before me, " Iste Robertus sepultus est apud Botyrwyk." '
[Testa. Eboracensia IV:20[11], , cites Reg. Zouche, 305b.
Also ref. in Collectanea topographica et genealogica,
p. 315 - ' This Elizabeth was daughter of Ralph Nevill of
Scotton, and died 25 Oct. a'o. 20 Edw. III. ' ]
Spouse: Robert fitz Ralph de Greystoke[13]
Birth: bef 24 Mar 1280[6]
Death: bef 15 Apr 1317[6]
Father: Sir Ralph fitz William (<1256-1316)
Mother: NN
Marr: bef 1299[6]
Children: Ralph, Lord Greystoke (1299-1323)
NN
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 NN de Greystoke[14]
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identified by Poulson as a daughter of Ralph de Greystoke[14]
[chronology indicates she was born say 1295-1305, and IPM
evidence[6] shows she could not have been the daughter of
Margery de Bolebec - CP V:514-516[6]. She is therefore
shown, based on this, as a daughter of Robert, and sister of Ralph]
record of the Archbishop of York:
' 'On April 24, 1347, a chantry was founded in the church of
Wynestede by Sir Robert de Hilton, for the souls of himself,
Margaret his wife, his ancestors, and Sir Ralph de Greystock
(Reg. Melton). ' [ Fasti. Ebor. I:460[15]; entry also given
in the Registry of the Archbishop of York elsewhere as
'Robertus Hilton miles superstes 1349 fundavit Cantariam
apud Wiested. ' [Collectanea IV:261[18], cites 'Ex Registro
Archiep'i Ebor' de Praesentationibus ad rectoriam de
Wiesteade al's Wynestede.' - 'the Register of Presentations
in the Reigstry of the Archbishop of York.']
probably first wife
re: her husband:
knt., of Swyne and Winestead in Holderness, co. Yorks.
mentioned in charter of 1308
during his minority, step-father 'Robertus Tyliol' was lord
of Swine {of the dower of his wife} [Kirkby's Inquest,
p. 305- 'Nomina Villarum' for Yorkshire, 9 Edw. II (1316)[16]]
'lord of Winestead, Yorks.' 5 Mar 1315/6 [Knights II:230,
cites 'P.W.'[7] ]
received grant of lands in Swine from Stephen de Bilton, 1319[14]
fought for the King at the Battle of Boroughbridge,
16 Mar. 1321/22 [YAS XCI:93[17]]
" scon bacheler Robert de Hilton ", wrote a letter to
Archbishop William de Melton ca Dec 1325, thanking him for
meeting his mother, "ma dame ma mere" at his request,
concerning the manor of Swine. [ ' A Letter from Robert
de Hilton to Archbishop Melton concerning the manor of
Swine ' [Reg. archiep. Melton, inter ff. 566, 567]',
Kirkby's Inquest, p. 440. The notes to this letter state,
' A copy of this letter is entered in Melton's Register
(fol. 566b) among documents dated in December, 1325.
Matilda, daughter and coheiress of Sir Roger de Lascelles,
and widow of Sir William de Hilton and Sir Robert de Tiliol
(Poulson's Holderness, ii., 197). On Aug. 29th, 1325,
Matilda Tyliol did homage to archbishop Melton "pro terris
et ten. quae clamat tenere de eo in Swyna" (Kirkby's
Inquest, page 416).' ][16]
he presented to the living of Winestead, 21 Jan 1336/7:
' Robertus Hilton miles superstes 9 Kalend. Februarii 1337.
praesentavit.' [Collectanea IV:261[18], cites 'Ex Registro
Archiep'i Ebor' de Praesentationibus ad rectoriam de
Wiesteade al's Wynestede.' - 'the Register of Presentations
in the Registry of the Archbishop of York.']
he m. 1stly NN de Greystoke,
2ndly Margaret de Thweng
cf. CP VII:448 [6]
VCH Yorks., East Riding VII:111[19]
Gooder, pp. 92-94, No. 72[17]
Spouse: Sir Robert de Hilton
Death: ca 1351[19]
Birth: ca 1290[6]
Father: Sir William de Hilton (->1291)
Mother: Maud de Lascelles (-1343)
Children: Sir Robert de Hilton, of Swine and Winestead (-<1364)
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& Lepard; and Longman Rees... Green, 1830. URL
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Society, Vol. XLVII, London: printed for the Society, by
J. B. Nichols and Son, 1849.
3. William Farrer, Hon.D.Litt., Editor, "Early Yorkshire
Charters," Ballantyne, Hanson & Co., Edinburgh, 1915-1916,
Vol. II (1915) Vol. III (1916), Vol. XII [the family of
Constable of Flamborough], courtesy Rosie Bevan, Vol. V
[Manfield fee, pp. 53-58 ], courtesy Rosie Bevan,
<Re: Avice de Tanfield, wife of Robert Marmion>, SGM,
26 Feb 2002.
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http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
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Pubs. of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols.
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Record Office, Edward I. A.D. 1292-1301, London: for the
Public Record Office.
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d. 1269," May 10, 1997, GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, citing
CP Vol II, p. 231 (re: le Boteler).
10. "Genealogics," website by Leo van de Pas,
http//www.genealogics.com
cites Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag Marburg.,
Detlev Schwennicke, Editor, [ES], and other sources.
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The Surtees Society, Andrews & Co., Durham (J. B. Nichols &
Sons, London), Vol. IV, Pt. I: 1869, IV:50-52, will of
Isabella Deincourt (wife of Sir William fitz William) d. 1348,
IV:97-99, will of Marmaduke Constable (d. 1378), see pp.
100-101 for will of Sir Martin de la See, IV:418-419, will
of Isabella Salvayn, URL
http://www.uiowa.edu/~c030149a/northern/willsatyorktext.pdf
12. John P. Ravilious, "CP 'Addition': Elizabeth de Nevill, mother
of Ralph, Lord Greystoke (d. 1323)," 14 Nov 2006,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, cites Complete Peerage and
other sources.
13. Alan B. Wilson, "Lords of Greystoke," Apr 10, 1999,
GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com, sources cited incl. CP,
Early Yorkshire Families (Clay) and English Baronies (Sanders).
14. George Poulson, Esq., "The History and Antiquities of the
Seigniory of Holderness," Hull: Thomas Topping, and W.
Pickering, 1840 (Vol I) 1841 (Vol II), pp. 197-198,
pedigree of Hilton of Swine.
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Archbishops of York," London: Longman, Green Longman and
Roberts, Vol. I (1863), (ed. and enlarged by Rev. James Raine).
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John de Kirkby, commonly called Kirkby's Inquest," also
inquisitions of knights' fees, the Nomina villarum for
Yorkshire, and an appendix of illustrative documents,
Durham: Pub. for the Society by Andrews and Co., 1867.
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the County of York, 1258-1832, Vol. I," The Yorkshire
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* John P. Ravilious
John P. Ravilious
Hello All,
In the CP article on the Nevilles of Essex, the first three pages
comprise an account of the Nevilles of Scotton, Lincs. Pending a
review of the full texts cited from Farrer's Early Yorkshire Charters,
this will constitute a 'reverse' CP Correction.
The relevant text, from CP IX:476-8, follows verbatim. There
are a number of individuals identified in this account which were
not previously identified; further, some relationships as given
by Miss Stokes vary from those presented in the original post
(e.g., Ralph de Neville [1.1.1.1 in the earlier post] was the
brother, not son, of Robert [1.1.1]). One interesting item
is the marriage of a daughter of Arnold de Percy of Kildale,
Yorks. into the Nevilles of Scotton, not previously identified.
At the end of this post, a chart showing the descent of Scotton
is given, with notes concerning references to each individual in CP
and the prior SGM post [where applicable]. Any additional
documentation, comment or criticism is welcome, as always.
Cheers,
John *
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CP IX:476
' NEVILLE or NEVILL OF ESSEX <a>
Observations: - It has been customary to derive Neville of Essex
from the Ralph who held Scotton (as corrected by later returns)
and Manton, Lincs., in 1086 from the Abbot of Peterborough .
The direct male line of Scotton outlived that of Walcot, but no
member of the Scotton family was summoned to Parl. Very briefly,
as far as evidence has been found for the purpose of this
article, the descent of Scotton to the end of the 13th century
was: -
Ralph, who in 1086 held Scotton (see above) and Manton of
Peterborough, and possibly Hasbrough, &c., from Alfred of
Lincoln <c>.
Ralph de Neville, who [1100-1120] held 10 carucates in Lincs.
from Peterborough <d>, and, about 1114, witnessed the foundation
charter of Bridlington Priory by Walter de Gand <e>.
Ralph de Neville, who had from Walter de Gand (d. 1139) lands
in Fordon, Filey, Muston and Righton (which the Countess alice
confirmed to his son Geoffrey) <f>, which Ralph, with consent
of his wife Hawise and s. and h. ap. Geoffrey, made to Rievaulx
Abbey a grant of land in Righton, in the Gand fee of Hunmanby,
which was confirmed by Gilbert de Gand <g>, and, for the soul
of his wife avice, with consent of his s. and h. Geoffrey, gave
land in Filey to Bridlington Priory . Ralph de Neville
founded, before 1162, a priory at Hutton Rudby, Yorks., upon
the liberum maritagium of his wife, with consent of Adam de
Brus, the overlord, and of Arnold de Percy, to whom the service
upon her portion was due . He m. Hawise or Avice, sister of
Arnold and Robert de Percy <j>.
Notes, CP IX:476
<a> This article has been compiled by Miss Ethel Stokes, partly
from materials kindly placed at the disposal of the Editors
by M. S. Giuseppi, F.S.A. The writer is also indebted to
previous workers on the perplexing problems connected with
the origins and early history of the other branches of the
Neville here dealt with, especially to the late Rev. W. O.
Massingberd and the late Canon Edmund Nevill.
Domesday Book, vol. i, pp. 345, 346; Lindsey Survey, Linc.
Rec. Soc., p. 243; Round, Feudal England, pp. 166, 167.
<c> Domesday Book, vol. i, pp. 345, 346, 357, 376.
<d> Feudal England, loc. cit.
<e> Dugdale, Mon., vol. vi, p. 286.
<f> Farrer, Early Yorks Charters, vol. ii, no. 1174.
<g> Cart. Rievall., Surtees Soc., pp. 47, 48.
Early Yorks Charters, vol.ii, no. 1175.
Dugdale, Mon., vol. v, p. 508.
<j> Rot. Cur. Regis, Ric. I, Pipe Roll Soc., p. 21. '
CP IX:477
' Geoffrey de Neville, the abovenamed s. and h. of Ralph, had a
confirmation of the Yorks lands (as above), and held Scotton and
Manton circ. 1175 <a>. With his br. Ralph, Geoffrey de Neville
witnessed a deed of exchange for Rievaulx circ. 1170 .
Ralph de Neville [br. and h., if his was the gift of Ralph,
s. of Ralph de Neville, of stone from his quarry of Filey to
the fabric of Bridlington Priory) <c>, who in 1189 held 3 fees
in Scotton and Manton from Peterborough <d>, and was sued in
1201 as to the manors of Filey, Righton, &c. <e>.
Sir Robert de Neville, held Manton and Scotton of Peter-
borough, 1210-12 <f>, and presented to Scotton, 1218-19.
Ralph de Neville, s. and h., in Jan. 1220/1 was granted
a market at his manor of Filey (Fislei) till he should be of
age <g>; in 1225/6 Sir Ralph de Neville presented to Manton
as guardian of the heir of Robert de Neville; in 1227 Ralph
de Neville held of Peterborough 3 fees in Scotton and
Manton . Whether this was Ralph s. of Robert, or Sir
Ralph his uncle [and successor], has not been ascertained.
Sir Ralph de Neville in Apr. 1221 was forgiven a fine by
his br. Robert for the King's letter to the Abbot of
Peterborough about Robert's relief; and in 1224 the sheriff
of Lincs. was notified that Sir Ralph de Neville, the King's
knight, was being sent to Jersey . He succeeded his
nephew Ralph either before 1227 (see above), or before
1230, when he defended his right to land in Muston of which
his father Rlaph was seised at his death <j>. It is, so far,
uncertain whether he, or the Ralph of 1189 and 1201, was the
giver, as Ralph s. of Ralph de Neville, of stone from his
quarry of Filey to Bridlington Priory, dated by Farrer (as
above) 1194-1230 <k>.
Notes, CP IX:477
<a> Feudal England, loc. cit.
Cart. Rievall., p. 117.
<c> Dated in Early Yorks Charters, vol. ii, no. 1176,
1194-1230.
<d> Cal. Charter Rolls, vol. iv., p. 277.
<e> Curia Regis Rolls, vol. ii, p. 12.
<f> Book of Fees, pp. 191, 192.
<g> Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, p. 446.
Cal. Charter Rolls, vol. i, p. 20.
Rot. Lit. Claus., vol. i, pp. 454, 593.
<j> Assize Roll 1042, rot. 23. In Hilary term 1231 he was
co-defendant as to the market at Filey (B. M. Add. MS.
12269, fo. 70 d - a vol. of 13th-cent. manuscripts of
early plea rolls, including several now missing, among
which is the roll here referred to).
<k> Lancaster, Bridlington Chartul., p. 80. '
CP IX:478
' Sir Philip de Neville, presented to Scotton, 1239-40.
Sir Robert de Neville, did homage to Peterborough,
1274 <a>, presented to Scotton, 1288-89, and founded a
chantry there, 1294.
Notes, CP IX:478
<a> Chron. Petroburg., Camden Soc., p. 21. '
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Pedigree of Neville of Scotton, Lincs.
Ralph de Neville [Novavilla]
tenant of Scotton, 1086
[CP IX:476]
I
I
Ralph de Neville, of Scotton, Lincs.; Arnold
fl. 1114 de Percy
[CP IX:476; SGM 1] of Kildale
I ______________________I
I I
Ralph de Neville = Hawise de Percy
[CP IX:476] I
_____________I__________
I I
Geoffrey Ralph de Neville
[CP IX:477] [CP IX:477; SGM 1.1]
_______________________I____
I I
Sir Robert Sir Ralph
[CP IX:477; SGM 1.1.1] [CP IX:477; SGM 1.1.1.1]
I I
I I
Ralph; d.s.p. Sir Philip
[CP IX:477] [CP IX:478; SGM 1.1.1.1.1]
____________I
I
Sir Robert = Angharad ferch
[CP II:231; CP IX:478; I Gruffydd
SGM 1.1.1.1.1.1] I
__________________________I__________
I I
Elizabeth = Robert fitz Ralph Sir Philip
I de Greystoke de Neville
I I
I I
V V
* John P. Ravilious
Tim Powys-Lybbe
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> > 1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Elizabeth de Nevill[6]
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Death: 17 Nov 1346[6]
> >
> > Genealogics #I00177584[10]
> >
> > ' Nov. 25, 1346, nuncupative will of Elizabet de Graystok.
> > To be buried in the church of Butterwick. Sir Ralph de
> > Hastings, knt., sen., and Richard de Neville, rector of
> > Scotton, executors. They renounce, and William de Kelk
> > administered. (Reg. Zouche, 305b.) She was a Neville,
> > and the widow of Robert fitz Ralph, lord of Graystock.
> > According to what is called the Greystock Roll, which is
> > now before me, " Iste Robertus sepultus est apud Botyrwyk." '
> > [Testa. Eboracensia IV:20[11], , cites Reg. Zouche, 305b.
> > Also ref. in Collectanea topographica et genealogica,
> > p. 315 - ' This Elizabeth was daughter of Ralph Nevill of
> > Scotton, and died 25 Oct. a'o. 20 Edw. III. ' ]
> >
> > Spouse: Robert fitz Ralph de Greystoke[13]
> > Birth: bef 24 Mar 1280[6]
> > Death: bef 15 Apr 1317[6]
> > Father: Sir Ralph fitz William (<1256-1316)
> > Mother: NN
> > Marr: bef 1299[6]
> >
> > Children: Ralph, Lord Greystoke (1299-1323)
The Coll. Top. et Gen. reference is Vol 5, being some additions made to
Dugdale's Baronage. However no further reference is given there to the
source of the statement that Elizabeth was the daughter of Ralph Nevill
of Scotton.
Interestingly it says a few lines further down the same page that
Elizabeth's son Ralph married Alice daughter of Hugh lord Audley. If
Elizabeth was a Neville of Scotton, then Ralph, through her, already
descended from the Audleys: (set your typeface to a fixed font)
Henry Audley (d. 1246)
______________________|____________________
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James Audley d.1272 Emma Audley d. aft. 1265
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Hugh Audley d. 1325 Angharad ferch Gruffudd d. aft 1308
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| Elizabeth de Neville d. 1346
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Alice Audley d. 1375 married Ralph de Greystoke d. 1323
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This looks close enough to require a dispensation; I wonder if one was
ever applied for and further might it have survived anywhere? This
would provide very useful confirmation of Elizabeth de Neville's
ancestry.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
John P. Ravilious
Dear Tim,
There was in fact a dispensation required, requested and granted.
The following is found at CP VI:190, note (f), which cites Roman
Roll, 11-14 Edw. II, m. 14d. :
' Request, by the King, for a papal dispensation that Ralph
Craystoke, of the diocese of York, and Alice de Audele the
King's kinswoman, of the diocese of Coventry and Lichfield,
might intermarry, although the said Ralph and Alice are
related in the 4th-3rd degrees of consanguinity. '
There was a discussion concerning the marriage of Sir Robert de
Nevill of Scotton and Angharad ferch Gruffydd in the SGM thread,
<CP 'Addition': Elizabeth de Nevill, mother of Ralph, Lord
Greystoke (d. 1367)> on 14 Nov 2006. In addition to the fact
(now noted as supported by CP IX:476-8) that Robert, not Ralph de
Nevill, was the father of Elizabeth, the first post set forth the
same relationships as you show:
Sir Henry de Aldithley = Bertrade de
(de Audley) I Mainwaring
d. bef Nov 1246 I
___________________________________I_____
I I
Emma = Gruffydd ap Madog Sir James = Ela
I of Bromfield and Iale de Audley I Longespee
I d. 1269 d. 1272 I
________I____ ________I______
I I III I
Madog Angharad = 1) William le <siblings> Hugh de Audley
I Boteler d. 1325
____________I = 2) Robert de = Isolde
I I Nevill _____________I____
V I I I
__________________I____________ I Hugh de Audley
I I I E of Gloucester
Philip de Robert fitz = Elizabeth I d. 1347
Nevill Ralph I de Nevill I
d. bef 15 Apr I d. 1346 I
1317 I I
I I
1) Ralph de Greystoke = Alice de = 2) Ralph de
m. aft 25 Nov 1317 I Audley I Neville
____I d. 1374 I____
I I
V V
As you say, the relationships in the dispensation serve to
provide very useful confirmation of Elizabeth de Neville's
ancestry.
Cheers,
John
Mary Zashin
On Dec 7, 2006, at 11:45 PM, gen-mediev...@rootsweb.com wrote:
> From: "John P. Ravilious" <the...@aol.com>
> Date: December 7, 2006 8:41:06 PM CST
> To: gen-me...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Nevill(e) of Scotton, co. Lincs.
>
>>> CP IX:478
>>>
>>> ' Sir Philip de Neville, presented to Scotton, 1239-40.
And:
>
>>>> 1.1.1.1.1 Philip de Nevill
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> Death: bef 19 Aug 1274[2]
>>>>
>>>> of Scotton, co. Lincs.
>>>>
>>>> he succeeded his father in 1243 or before:
>>>> 3 fees were held 'of the abbot of Peterborough in Scotton,
>>>> Manton and elsewhere, in 1243 by Philip de Nevill, ' who had
>>>> a grant of free warren. ' [Farrer, EYC II:463[3]]
>>>>
>>>> he evidently d. before 19 August 1274, when his son Robert
>>>> rendered homage to Edward I during his coronation at Westminster
>>>> [Chronicon Petroburgense p. 21[2]]
>>>>
>>>> Children: Robert (->1293)
>>>>
Do you know if this Philip was also the father of Joan de Nevill,
wife of John de Hardreshull, and mother of William de Hardreshull.
See CP, VI, 389:
Juliane de Hache, da. and h. . .suo jure Baroness Heche, was m. 1stly
to William de Hardreshull, of Hartshill, co. Warwick, Saleby, co.
Lincoln. . .her father's ward. He was s. and h. of John de
Hardreshull by Joan, da. of Sir Philip Nevill of Scotton. William
was born at Scotton and aged 22 on Palm Sunday, 1291.
fn. h: Thomas Nevill stated that he had been in the service of Sir
Philip Nevill of Scotton when John [father of William] m. Joan, da.
of the said Philip and mother of William, and William had been aged 4
when Sir Philip Nevill died.
M. Zashin
John P. Ravilious
Good to hear from you!
The filiation you describe for this Joan de Nevill (wife of John
de Hardreshull, and mother of William de Hardreshull.) as daughter of
Sir Philip de Nevill of Scotton (d. bef 19 Aug 1274) is new to me, but
chronologically it appears sound.
In particular, besides there being no Philip in the family in
the right period besides the above mentioned Sir Philip, you noted two
important facts from CP VI:389:
1. ' William was born at Scotton and aged 22 on Palm Sunday,
1291.'
2. ' and William had been aged 4 when Sir Philip Nevill
died.'
It appears from the records cited that William de Hardreshull
was born on 15 April 1269 (22 years of age on Palm Sunday, 1291, which
date fell on 15 April of that year). He would have been aged four from
15 April 1273 to 14 April 1274. As I stated, we know Sir Philip de
Nevill had died before 29 Aug 1274, as on that date his son Robert
rendered homage for his lands in Scotton and elsewhere.
We can safely say then that Sir Philip died between 15 April
1273 and 14 April 1274; we can also state from the accumulated evidence
that Joan was his daughter, and William de Hardreshull was his
grandson.
Many thanks for bringing this issue up; yet another descent
from the Nevilles of Scotton.
Cheers,
John