New MC Line: Clare-Breuse-Weyland-Burghersh-Despenser

[douglasr...@hotmail.com]

This is an all new Magna Carta descent which may interest many people
here on the medieval newsgroup. This line will be featured in the
forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah, and Dr. David
Faris, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

1. Richard de Clare, Earl of Hertford, Magna Carta Baron, married Amice
of Gloucester, daughter of William Fitz Robert, 2nd Earl of Gloucester.

2. Maud de Clare, married William de Breuse (died 1210), Baron of
Bramber, Sussex.

3. John de Breuse (died 1232), Baron of Bramber, Sussex, married
Margaret of North Wales, daughter of Llywelyn ap Iowerth, Prince of
North Wales.

4. Sir Richard de Breuse (died 1292), of Stinton in Salle, Norfolk,
married Alice le Rus.

5. Mary de Breuse, married in or before 1288 (date of fine) to John de
Weyland (died 1312), of Blaxhall, Ashbocking, etc., Suffolk.

6. Sir Richard de Weyland (died 1319), of Blaxhall, Rouse Hall in
Clopton, Suffolk, married Joan _____.

7. Cecily de Weyland, daughter and sole heiress, married before 10 May
1335, Sir Bartholomew de Burghersh, 4th Lord Burghersh.

The following immigrants descend from Cecily (de Weyland) de Burghersh
above:

1. Robert Abell

2. William Asfordby

3. George & Nehemiah Blakiston

4. Thomas Booth

5. Elizabeth Bosvile (two descents)

6. George, Giles and Robert Brent

7. Kenelm Cheseldine

8. Grace Chetwode

9. St. Leger Codd (two descents)

10. Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton

11. Edward Digges (two descents)

12. William Farrer

13. Edward Foliot

14. Warham Horsmanden (two descents)

15. Thomas Ligon

16. Anne & Katherine Marbury

17. John Nelson

18. Thomas Owsley

19. John Oxenbridge

20. Katherine St. Leger (two descents)

21. Anthony Savage

22. William Skepper

23. Grey and Diana Skipwith

24. Maria Johanna Somerset (two descents)

25. Amy Wyllys

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[THERON L. SMITH]

Doug wrote:
> > 2. Maud de Clare, married William de Breuse (died 1210), Baron of
> Bramber, Sussex<
>

Isn't this the same Maud de Clare who may have 1st married, Roger de
Lacy or has she been placed elsewhere?

Theron Smith.

[Benjamin Hertzel]

>4. Sir Richard de Breuse (died 1292), of Stinton in Salle, Norfolk,
>married Alice le Rus.

Did this Alice de Rus also marry Richard Longespee? If so, did she and
Richard have any children?

Thank you.

Benjamin

[U...@aol.com]

In a message dated 12/26/00 11:41:48 PM Central Standard Time,
ja...@millcomm.com writes:

> >4. Sir Richard de Breuse (died 1292), of Stinton in Salle, Norfolk,
> >married Alice le Rus.
>
> Did this Alice de Rus also marry Richard Longespee? If so, did she and
> Richard have any children?
>
>

I do not show any children by Richard:

Descendants of Alice de Rus

1 Alice de Rus b: in Of Stinton, NFK, ENG d: Bef. 28 January
1300/01
. +Richard de Lungespeye m: Bef. 1261 d: Bef. 27 December 1261
*2nd Husband of Alice de Rus:
. +Richard de Breuse b: Bef. 1232 in Of Stinton, NFK, ENG m: Bef.
September 1265 d: Bef. 18 June 1292
2 Giles de Breuse b: in Of Stinton, NFK, ENG d: Abt. 06 February
1310/11
.... +Joan de Beaumont d: Aft. 06 February 1310/11
2 Richard of Braiose
.... +Alianore
2 Mary de Braiose
.... +John de Weyland b: in Pf Blaxhall, Ashbocking, SSX, ENG
d: 1312
2 Margaret de Brewes b: Abt. 1267 d: Bef. 12 May 1335
.... +Roger de Coleville b: Abt. 1251 in of Bytham, LIN, ENG d:
Bef. 06 March 1287/88

Always optimistic--Dave

[Patricia Junkin]

Could any of these daughters of Edward and Elizabeth Berghersh Despenser
have married a second time?
Thank youPat

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>From: U...@aol.com
>To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: Fw: New MC Line: Clare-Breuse-Weyland-Burghersh-Despenser
>Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000, 9:24 AM
>

> In a message dated 12/26/00 7:34:34 PM Central Standard Time, RMe...@aol.com
> writes:
>
>
>> How many children did Elizabeth de Burghersh and Edward le Despenser have?
>> I thought it was 3: Anne, Margaret and Thomas.
>>
>> Loyaulte Me Lie,
>> Rania
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Descendants of Elizabeth de Burghersh
>
> 1 Elizabeth de Burghersh b: Abt. 1342 d: 26 July 1409
> . +Edward le Despenser b: 24 March 1335/36 in Essendine, RUT, ENG
> m: Bef. 02 August 1354 d: 11 November 1375 in Llanbethian, Glamorgan, Wales
> 2 Anne la Despenser d: October 1426
> .... +Hugh Hastings b: in of Elsing, NFK, ENG m: Bef. 01 November
> 1376 d: 06 November 1386
> *2nd Husband of Anne la Despenser:
> .... +Thomas de Morley b: in of Morley, NFK, ENG m: Aft. 1386
> d: 24 September 1416
> 2 Margaret la Despencer b: in of Ryhall, Rutland d: 03
> November 1415
> .... +Robert de Ferrers b: 31 October 1359 in of Chartley, co.
> Stafford m: Aft. 1379 d: 12 March 1412/13
> 2 Elizabeth le Despenser b: Abt. 1365 d: 11 April 1408
> .... +John FitzAlan de Arundel b: 30 November 1364 m: 1385 d: 14
> August 1390
> 2 Thomas le Despenser b: 1373 d: 16 January 1399/00 in Beheaded
> .... +Constance of York b: Abt. 1374 m: Abt. 1385 d: 29
> November 1416
>
>
> Always optimistic--Dave
>

[bat...@my-deja.com]

I just found this discussion group, and am overjoyed! How wonderful to
know there are others who also enjoy medieval genealogy and history.

I've been researching the descendants of Edward I of England for a
website I'm putting together, and have researched the Despenser line.
There are several questions I have about it, which I will ask in other
posts.

To answer the queries below, here are the children of Edward, 4th Lord
Despenser (great-great grandson of Edward I) and his wife Elizabeth de
Burghersh:

1) Edward Despenser, died young
2) Hugh Despenser, died young
3) Cicely Despenser, died young
4) Elizabeth Despenser (died 1408), married 1st, John d'Arundel, 2nd
Lord Arundel; married 2nd, William, Lord Zouche
5) Anne Despenser (died 1426), married 1st, Sir Hugh Hastings; married
2nd, Thomas, Lord Morley
6) Margaret Despenser (died 1415), married Robert, Lord Ferrers of
Chartley
7) Thomas Despenser (22 Sep 1373 - 13 Jan 1400), 5th Lord
Despenser, created Earl of Gloucester. He married into the royal family
by wedding Constance of York, first cousin of King Richard II.

This is the order of birth according to the Complete Peerage (which uses
the medieval Chronicle of Tewkesbury as its source). A 4th son, also
named Hugh Despenser (said to have died in 1424), is given by Burke's
Extinct Peerage, but isn't mentioned in Complete Peerage. It is
chronologically possible for the existence of another son after Thomas (b.
1373), as Edward, Lord Despenser did not die until 1375.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,

Brad Verity

(Patricia Junkin) wrote:
> Could any of these daughters of Edward and
Elizabeth Berghersh Despenser
> have married a second time?
> Thank youPat

> > In a message dated 12/26/00 7:34:34 PM Central

Standard Time, RMe...@aol.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> How many children did Elizabeth de Burghersh
and Edward le Despenser have?
> >> I thought it was 3: Anne, Margaret and
Thomas.