COSBY, Francis
Antony IvanSmith
the lordship of Cosby co of Leicester prior to the Norman conquest.
Burke's Landed Gentry
The evidence indicates that Francis Cosby might simply be a true hibenian
and the claims to the ancestral Lordship of Cosby and espousal to Mary
Seymour be somewhat tarnished.
Somerset was beheaded 1.22.1552 leaving widow and ladies Jane, Katharine
by 1st wife Katherine Fillol), Margaret and Mary Seymour in a destitute
state. Six months after Queen Mary's ascension the family was restored to
their estates in 1553 The ladies were appointed maid of honor to the Queen
suggesting their being single, Lady Mary the Queen's god-daughter later
married Sir Henry Peyton.
Francis Cosby was in Ireland during the supposed period of his marriage to
Mary Seymour as noted in Irish patent Rolls:
2.8 3 Edw. VI 1550 " Francis Cosby of Kildare is pardoned.
3.23, 4 Edw. VI 1552 "Francis Cosby of Kildare gent and Owen McHughe
O'Dempsey of Ballybrittas receive a pardon.
7.20. Edw.1550 A lease is granted to Thomas Jacob etc.for 21 years. of the
Manor of Stradballie. The first signature being E. Somerset. Cosby's
supposed father-in-law??????????????
9.10. 1558 Appointment of Francis Cosby to General of all the Kern a
position further acknowledged by Queen Elizabeth when he was appointed
Sheriff of Kildare.
Another anomaly exist that might need the input from the experts within this
illustrious group Francis Cosby's son Alexander was said to have married
Dorcas Sydney daughter of William Sydney of Otford Kent.
grand nephew William Sydney Lord of Cranleigh. Both names and title have no
connection that can be affirmed.
Thanks Anglo-Scotus
Antony IvanSmith
San Luis Obispo
A Cosby Descendent even if a little tarnished.
Leslie Mahler
>There have been a couple of posts on this subject Francis Cosby
possessed
>the lordship of Cosby co of Leicester prior to the Norman conquest.
>Burke's Landed Gentry
This is a very suspect statement, as the Anglo Saxons did not use
surnames, neither
did they use the given name Francis.
Leslie
Antony IvanSmith
Burke's or mine?
Somewhere in the hirbenian mists Francis Cosby emerged glowing with a Saxon
origin. Five hundred years of history were leapt in a single bound to the
fateful moment of Somerset's beheadment Burkes "His abandonment of his
native soil arose from the downfall of the Protector Somerset whose daughter
Mary widow of Sir Henry Peyton he had married. Deeming the disgrace and
death of that once potent nobleman a sentence of exclusion from place and
preferment in England, against his immediate connections at least, Cosbie,
Mary Seymour his first wife being then dead, emigrated to Ireland--- etc"
Apparently Francis was being pardoned in Ireland for unknown misdeeds at the
time of his supposed life of preferment in England. I believe that his Saxon
origin might have been emigrated, his body was already there.
Braveheart was so much fiction with a historical flavour Wallace first and
Cosby as an encore what a hit Burke's eulogy is quire dramatic. Yes I am a
Cosby ancestor.
Antony IvanSmith (It used to be two words but never just Smith)
San Luis Obispo de Tolosa CA
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<snip>
Perhaps you mean a Cosby descendent? Since your name is not Cosby, to
be a Cosby ancestor would be an interesting magic trick. Houdini
Genealogy?
Aloha,
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
Reedpcgen
I copied it). Does it answer your questions as to the alleged Seymour
connection?
The Cosby family, of Stradbally, co. Queens, Ireland, ancestors of Lord
Sidney of Leix, trace descent from Francis Cosby (b. 1510, d. 8 Sep.
1580), purportedly by Lady Mary Seymour, daughter of the Lord Protector
by Anne Stanhope. This is shown in many pedigrees, including: one
notarized by William Hawkins, Ulster King of Arms on 28 Nov. 1767 (Ire.
MS. 161, ff. 54-6, 61 [FHL #100,122]), in a detailed account of the
family citing fiants, inquisitions and other primary sources (The
Gentleman's Magazine [London, 1834], i:179-82), and in a later account
of the family drawn up by Lord Fitzwaryn ("Autobiography of Pole Cosby,
of Stradbally, Queen's County," Journal of the County Kildare
Archaeological Society, v. 5, no. 5 [Dublin, Jan. 1908], chart facing p.
317).
Francis was reat-great- great- grandfather of William Cosby (b. ca.
1690, d. 10 Mar. 1735/6), Gov. of New York and New Jersey. Francis's
grandson, Charles Cosby (b. 11 Sep. 1585), is supposed to be father of
John Cosby (1623-1696), of York and Warwick Cos., Virginia, but none of
the Cosby pedigrees show Charles's issue and proof is lacking (Charles's
wife, Mary Loftus, d. 23 Nov. 1623, so John's birth about 1623 presents
obvious questions which must be answered, in case he were actually born
a year or two later).
The Cosby marriage to Mary Seymour is false. Francis Cosby was in co.
Kildare by 1548 and received a grant of Stradbally Abbey in 1563. There
is proof that he was married to Elizabeth Palmes by 23 Nov. 1563. Their
eldest surviving son and heir, Alexander, received a grant in 1570, and
died 19 May 1596 in battle at Stradbally Bridge, aged forty-nine (b. ca
.1547). Francis Cosby died 8 Sep. 1580 at the Battle of Glenmure and
was survived by his wife, Elizabeth. (Ire. MS. 216, f. 61 [FHL
#100,134], and the references cited above in this note). Anthony R.
Wagner, as Portcullis, said he thought Elizabeth Palmes was Francis's
only wife, and the marriage to Lady Mary Seymour "extremely improbable"
as the records in the College of Arms only show that Mary wedded twice,
to (1) Andrew Rogers, and (2) Sir Henry Peyton (original letter in misc.
Cosby papers [FHL #29,883]). Records prove the connection impossible.
Edward Seymour married Anne Stanhope between 1530 and 9 Mar. 1534/5 (CP
12:i:64). Lady Mary Seymour had married Andrew Rogers, of Bryanston, co.
Dorset, by 1587, and after his death in 1599, s.p., was suing for her
jointure in 1600 (P. W. Hasler, The House of Commons, 1558-1603
3[London, 1981]:298-99 [hereafter cited as Hasler]). Lady Mary married
(2) Sir Henry Peyton, of London, "who followed long the wars in the low
countries," son of Thomas Peyton, M. P., of Bury St. Edmunds, co.
Suffolk, by Cecily Bourchier, da. of John, 2nd Earl of Bath (Lady Mary
was granddaughter of Elizabeth Bourchier, John's aunt). Sir Henry was a
gentleman of the Privy Chamber to Prince Henry in 1610 (Joseph Jackson
Howard, The visitation of Suffolke, ...1561... 2[London, 1866]:121).
Sir Henry made his will 11 Apr. 1618. "Yet for the singular love which
I beare unto the Ladie Marie my wife", she was not to be burdened with
his debts, and was to receive any surplus of his estate. His brother
Thomas was to be executor, and Pyton Cooke was a witness (Henry's cousin
Elizabeth m. Richard Cooke), but Sir John Peyton, Sr., one of the
creditors, was granted adm. 20 Feb. 1623/4 (Sir Henry died beyond the
seas) (PCC 18 Byrde [FHL #92,095]).
For more information about Francis, you might check the microfilms I have
listed above.
pcr
Antony IvanSmith
DESCENDENT. DSH you will make a better man of me after all.
My surname is one thing I inherited. My dear late Grandmother May Sulllivan,
chose to anoint us all.
Antony Ivan Smith
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Leslie Mahler
>Burke's or mine?
In this instance, Burkes would be the guilty party, since that appears
to be the source
of the statement.
Leslie
Malinda Jones
Elizabeth______was the same one whose grandson Wm. Cooke I .....s/o Phillip
Cooke (b. 27 Dec. 1589) and Elizabeth _____ emigrated to Surry Co.VA in
1632/33 ?...........thank you
Malinda
Antony IvanSmith
rather lucid documentation of the rather dubious claims of Francis Cosby
ancestors. Interestingly Burke's applied nearly word for word the quote that
you made concerning Peyton , "who followed long the wars in the low
countries," with of course though a reference to Cosby.
I raised a second issue concerning Dorcas and her Otford roots. I will
follow up later on that one, it seems rather suspect too.
Antony IvanSmith
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