Joannes Orsini
Herb Frantz
Bef.1349 Simeon Uros Palaiologos, Tsar of the Serbs, Greeks and Albania.
b.1324-1326 d. 1369-1372. He was the son of Stepan Uros III of Serbia
b.abt.1276-1331.
How does this Joannes Orsini fit into the Orsini lines discussed over the
last few weeks.
Regards,
Herb Frantz
netgazer
It sounds like the son of Nicephoros Orsini, Count of Cephalonea and Maria
Cantacuzenos. Grand son of John II Orsini.
What does "Tomaida" mean? Is it a Christian name?
I guess Simeon Uros Palailogos means Simeon, Tsar of Serbia (etc), son of
Uros III and XXX Palailogos.
Herb Frantz <hrfr...@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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netgazer
For this part see my answer above.
> Bef.1349 Simeon Uros Palaiologos, Tsar of the Serbs, Greeks and Albania.
> b.1324-1326 d. 1369-1372. He was the son of Stepan Uros III of Serbia
> b.abt.1276-1331.
The above comments are wrong.
Firstly; Stepan Uros III of Serbia. The correct name is: Stephen Muliutin
Urosh III (1281-1321), Kral of Serbia.
Stephen was an ANIMAL, he requested to marry Irene's daughter and the
Emperor (another ANIMAL) agreed. The marrying took place in 1299.
Why both deserve to be called animals? The girl in question "Simonis",
Irene's only daughter. was just 5
years old. The sex-maniak (child molester) Stephen destroyed the little
girl, she was so badly damaged that she could not possible bear a child.
Therefore, the person "simeon" could not possibly exist as she had NO
children.
However, although to my knowledge she did not re-marry, her name was Simonis
Palaiologos, ex wife of Urosh III.
It is interesting to know what is went on and who is who. Please give full
names if and when you know them.
Herb Frantz
extracted from two recent books, "The Early Medieval Balkans" and "The Late
Medieval Balkans" by John V. A. Fine and originally based on Europaeische
Stammtafeln. Spelling is his and besides much else, he tried to trace parts
of the genealogy of rulers of the area. I have seen so many different
spellings of names in this area in makes the recent "discussion" on English,
French, German or Latin style naming appear mild. Write or spell it:
in the subject's native (birth location, if known) language for that time,
or the original writer's,
or the ethnicity of the subject,
or the language of who had dominion at that time,
or the source you drew it from,
or something you can read and understand?
Maybe capture all.
It has over 20 disjointed series of descendants. The caveat is of course
uncertainty about the data. Like many other places many records have not
survived and materials for most things in the medieval Balkans appear to be
not from contemporary local writers. Fine indicates most writers were
usually from Byzantium.
If anyone can add to my original query and reference good sources it would
be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Herb Frantz
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Subject: Re: Joannes Orsini
Joannes does it come from Johanes or it is "Ioannis" Greek for John?.
It sounds like the son of Nicephoros Orsini, Count of Cephalonea and Maria
Cantacuzenos. Grand son of John II Orsini.
What does "Tomaida" mean? Is it a Christian name?
I guess Simeon Uros Palailogos means Simeon, Tsar of Serbia (etc), son of
Uros III and XXX Palailogos.
Herb Frantz <hrfr...@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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> Joannes Orsini, Despot of Epirus had a daughter Tomaida. She married
> Bef.1349 Simeon Uros Palaiologos, Tsar of the Serbs, Greeks and Albania.
> b.1324-1326 d. 1369-1372. He was the son of Stepan Uros III of Serbia
> b.abt.1276-1331.
>
Milun Jevremovic
"netgazer" <om...@thoroughbreds.com.au> wrote:
> > Bef.1349 Simeon Uros Palaiologos, Tsar of the Serbs, Greeks and
Albania. b.1324-1326 d. 1369-1372. He was the son of Stepan Uros III
of Serbia b.abt.1276-1331.
>
> The above comments are wrong.
>
> Firstly; Stepan Uros III of Serbia. The correct name is: Stephen
Muliutin Urosh III (1281-1321), Kral of Serbia.
Wrong Stephan Uros in both cases. All Nemanjid's have name Stephan and
last five have official name Stephan Uros. Stefan Milutin is Stephan
Uros II (king 1282-1321) and his marriage with Simonida Paleolog is,
basicly, hapens as in your article.
But, Simeon Uros Palolog is son of Stephan Uros III, called Stephan
Decanski, is serbian king 1321-1331 and Simeon is his son from second
marriage with Maria, daughter of panipersevast (that byzantine titles!)
Ioannes Paleolog and Irine Metohit. That makes Simeon half-brother with
Stephan Uros IV (called Stephan Dushan), later emperor of Serbia.
Hope this help
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netgazer
> Wrong Stephan Uros in both cases.
First: Is it UROS or UROSH ? Does it mean anything? (Just for the record)
> All Nemanjid's have name Stephan and last five have official name Stephan
Uros.
> Stefan Milutin is Stephan Uros II (king 1282-1321) and his marriage with
Simonida Paleolog is,
> basicly, hapens as in your article.
Secondly: Is it Milutin or Miliutin? (Just for the record)
The girls name is SIMONIS Paleologos. (Simonida does not mean anything).
The "aina" "Ina" name extension are only used to convert a foreign name to
Greek; for example: The "Greek" name for the daughter of ASEN is ASENINA;
that does not aplly to Paleologos or Doukas as these names are already
Greek. It never applies to first names)
> But, Simeon Uros Palolog is son of Stephan Uros III, called Stephan
> Decanski, is serbian king 1321-1331 and Simeon is his son from second
> marriage with Maria, daughter of panipersevast (that byzantine titles!)
Thirdly: Is the name Decanski or Dechanski??? (just for the record)
> Ioannes Paleolog and Irine Metohit. That makes Simeon half-brother with
> Stephan Uros IV (called Stephan Dushan), later emperor of Serbia.
Again there is a problem, my records show (wrightly or wrongly) that:
The Despot John Paleologos who married Irene METOCHITIS had a daughter
called Maria (Paleologos of course).
Maria Married Stephan Urosh II Dechanski (according to my records) and
they had a son called Stephan DUSHAN of Serbia.
Stephan Dushan of Serbia married Helene ALEXANDER and they had a son called
Matthew DUSHAN.
If I understand you, you are saying that Stephen Urosh II Dechanski and
Maria had a second son Simeon.
How many children did Maria and Stephan Urosh II had? and is the Stephan
DUSHAN I mentioned above the very same one you call Stephan Uros IV????.
Any birth and death dates?
Vadim Verenich
hrfr...@bcpl.net (Herb Frantz) wrote:
> Joannes Orsini, Despot of Epirus had a daughter Tomaida. She married
Albania.
> b.1324-1326 d. 1369-1372. He was the son of Stepan Uros III of Serbia
> b.abt.1276-1331.
>
the
> last few weeks.
islands of Cephalonia and Zante in 1199 (as a fief of Holy Roman
Empire).He married one woman from the house of Epiros, and was father
of Riccardo, palatine of Zante and of Cephalonia.That one was a
protogentor of latest despots of Epiros(through his son Joannes,
married to heiress of Despotat.
The connections of those above to (an)others Orsini is still obscure
topic for me.To say honestly: i do not know.
> Regards,
> Herb Frantz