de Clavering family
Alex Maxwell Findlater
Warkworth family. Would some kind soul remedy my ignorance, please.
John P. Ravilious
Not sure if this meets your request (the Eure family details are
quite incomplete), but hopefully this will be of some use.
Cheers,
John
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1 Roger le Bigod[1]
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Death: Sep 1107[1]
of Earsham, Suffolk (held of Bishop Stigand), ca 1071
sheriff of Norfolk and possibly Suffolk, at time of Domesday Book,
1086[2]
Spouse: Adeliza de Tosny[3]
Death: aft 1135[2],[4]
Father: Robert de Tosny, of Belvoir, Leics. (-1088)
Mother: Adelais
Children: Hugh le Bigod, Earl of Norfolk (-<1176)
Richard
Gunnora, m. 1) Robert fitz Sweyn de Essex,
2) Hamo de St. Clare
Maud, m. William d'Aubigny "pincerna"
William
Humphrey
Cecilia, m. William d'Aubigny of Belvoir
1.1 Richard fitz Roger
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cf. Judith A. Green, 'The Descent of Belvoir', Prosopon, Vol. X[3]
Children: Roger (-1178)
1.1.1 Roger fitz Richard
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Death: 1178[1]
Occ: lord of Warkworth
of Warkworth, Northumberland
'Roger filius Ricardi de Wrkewrthe', identified as 'nepos' of
Earl Hugh Bigod, and as a nephew of 'Thomas de Candelent'
[DD 948[5], cites C. Clay, 'The ancestry of the early lords of
Warkworth', Archaeologia Aeliana, 4th ser. 32 (1954), 65-71]
received a grant of Warkworth in Northumberland from King
Henry II, 1157
held 1 knight's fee in chief in 1166 [DD 948[5], cites Fees, 200]
2nd husband of Adeliza de Vere[1],[5]
Spouse: Alice (Adeliza) de Vere[1],[6]
Birth: bef 1141[1]
Death: aft 1184[1]
Father: Aubrey de Vere, chamberlain of England (<1090-1141)
Mother: Adeliza de Clare (-ca1163)
Children: Robert (-1214)
Alice, m. John fitz Richard, constable of Chester
1.1.1.1 Robert fitz Roger[6]
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Death: 22 Nov 1214[1],[2]
Occ: lord of Warkworth
of Warkworth, Northumberland and Whalton
sheriff of Northumberland[1]:
as such, rendered his accounts to the Treasury, 1200-01:
' 299. Northumberland: - Robert fitz Roger (William son of
William fitz Roscelin for him) renders his account; in lands
granted to the K. of Scotland, 100s. in Tindale, for same
term. ' [Bain I:48, cites Pipe Roll 2 John, Rot. 1[7]]
and again, 1206-07:
' 299. Northumberland: - Robert fitz Roger (Robert de Kent for
him) renders his account; in lands granted to the K. of
Scotland, 10l. in Tindale.' [Bain I:65, cites Pipe Roll
8 John, Rot. 22[7]]
_____________________________
re: his wife:
she was called Margery, heiress (Lady) of Horsford, Essex
[CP:V, The Engaines and Their Connections (facing p. 72)[2]]
she m. lstly Hugh de Cressy
2ndly Robert fitz Roger (Sanders p. 16)[4]
Spouse: Margaret de Chesney[1]
Death: 7 Jan 1230[2]
Father: William de Chesney, of Horsford and Colne, Essex (-1174)
Mother: Gilla
Marr: bef 1212[4]
Children: John (-1240)
Alice, m. Piers fitz Herbert of Blaen Llyfni
1.1.1.1.1 John fitz Robert
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Death: 1240[1]
Occ: lord of Warkworth
of Warkworth, Northumberland and Whalton
Surety of the Magna Carta[1]
' This John Fitz-Robert (de Eure) obtained a charter in 1223-4,
8 Henry III., for a fair to be held at Stokesley on the eve and
day of St. Thomas the Martyr; ...' [Ord p. 393[8]]
cf. TG IX:232-3[9]
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re: his wife, Ada de Baliol:
she had the manors of Kirkby and Stokesley, co. Yorks. and Lynton,
Northumberland[8] as her maritagium
' ...lord Hugh de Balloil gave the manor of Stokesley with the
appurtenances to Ada his daughter in frank marriage, and that
she after the death of her husband enfeoffed Hugh and Robert
her sons of the said manor with appurtenances, on Sunday before
the feast of Saint Barnabas Apostle, 34 Henry (5 June,
1250). ' [IPM of Ada de Balliol, Yorks. Inq. I:25-26, no. XXX[10]]
re: Kirkby,
' With Stokesley it was granted in free marriage with Ada daughter of
Hugh de Balliol to John son of Robert. Hugh de Eure, younger son of
Ada and John son of Robert, held Kirkby in 1285, and this manor
followed the descent of Stokesley...' [VCH North Riding, II:253,
cites
Chan. Inq. p.m. 35 Hen. III, no. 51; CIPM Hen. III, 55; Kirkby's
Inquest (Surt. Soc.), 133 and 133n[11]]
cf. Ord pp. 393-4[8]
TG IX:232-3[9]
Spouse: Ada de Baliol[1]
Death: 29 Jul 1251, Stokesley, co. Yorks.[10],[8],[1]
Father: Hugh de Baliol, of Bywell, Northumberland and
Barnard Castle, co. Durham
Mother: Cecily de Fontaines
Marr: bef 29 Aug 1224[12],[8]
Children: Roger (>1223-ca1249)
Hugh (-<1304) [SEE BELOW]
Cecilia, m. Patrick de Dunbar, Earl of March
Robert fitz John, of Stokesley, co. Yorks.
Alicia [9]
Annora [9]
Margery [9]
1.1.1.1.1.1 Roger fitz John[1]
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Birth: aft 6 May 1223[9]
Death: ca 29 May 1249, Normandy[9]
of Warkworth, Northumberland; Clavering, Essex; Horsford,
Norfolk, & c.[2]
cf. TG IX:232-3[9]
Spouse: Isabel de Dunbar
Father: Patrick of Dunbar, Earl of March (ca1185->1248)
Mother: Euphemia de Brus (-ca1267)
Children: Euphemia, m. 1) William Comyn of Kilbride,
2) Sir Andrew Murray
Robert (1247-<1310)
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Robert fitz Roger[1]
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Birth: 1247[9],[1]
Death: bef 29 Apr 1310[2],[1],[4]
Occ: Lord FitzRoger of Clavering[1]
of Clavering, Essex; Warkworth, Northumberland & c.
marriage contract of his son John and Hawise de Tibetot, dated
11 Sept 1277:
" Agreement between Robert FitzRoger and Robert de Tybetot for
the marriage of FitzRoger's son and heir, John, to Hawisia,
daughter of Tybetot, before quinzaine of Martinmas next
(11 September 1277).
John will dower the bride at the church door on the day of
the wedding with lands word � 100 per annum so that she may
not exact more in name of dower during the life of John's
father if John predecease him. But if John survives his father
she shall be entitled to her common-law dower. When John
reaches the age of twenty his father shall be bound to enfeoff
him of the said land and cause him to have seisin thereof.
From the execution of the marriage, dower and enfeoffment,
Tybetot will pay John's father 600 marks, on condition that
if the bride die under the age of thirteen without issue,
John's father shall be bound to repay him 400 marks of said
600 marks. For the observance of this agreement the parties
have given faith in the king's presence. "
[Payling, p. 39[13], cites P.R.O. Chancery, Close Rolls,
C.54/95, mem. 15d (calendared in CCR 1272-9, pp. 487-8)]
his nephew John Comyn of Kilbride d. leaving a minor heir, of whom
King Edward I gave custody to Robert fitz Roger:
'#440. June 28, 1290.
The king grants to Robert Fitz Roger the custody of the lands
and heir of John son of William Comyn of Killebride, till his
majority, and his marriage without disparagement. Havering.
[Patent Rolls, 18 Edw. I, m. 21]'[14]
' Robert fitz Roger ',
knight, serving with the army of King Edward I in Scotland
fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298
: his arms are recorded as
' Quarterly or and gules overall a bend sable '
(Falkirk Roll H5[15])
' Robert le FizRoger ', knight, serving with the army of King
Edward I in Scotland fought at the siege of Caerlaverock, July 1300
: his arms are recorded as
' Quarterly or and gules overall a bend sable '
(Caerlaverock Roll K 12[16])
inherited Blythborough, Suffolk from his cousin Stephen de
Cressy (dsp 1263; Sanders p. 16)[4]
summoned to Parliament from 2 Nov 1295 to 26 Oct 1309 by writ
directed 'Roberto filio Rogeri', whereby held to have become
Lord FitzRoger[2]
cf. CP III:274-5 [sub Clavering][2]
Spouse: Margery la Zouche[1]
Father: Sir Alan la Zouche (-1270)
Mother: Elena de Quincy (-<1296)
Marr: ca 1265[1]
Children: Sir John (<1266-<1331)
Euphemia, m. Ralph de Neville [1st wife]
Edmund
Alan (ca1279-), 'the fratricide'
Roger (-<1306)
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir John de Clavering
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Birth: bef 29 Apr 1266[2]
Death: bef 23 Jan 1331, Aynhoe, co. Northants.[2],[1]
Occ: Lord Clavering
of Clavering, Essex; Warkworth, Northumberland, Blythborough, Suffolk
& c.
marriage contract of John and Hawise de Tibetot, dated
11 Sept 1277 [Payling, p. 39[13], cites P.R.O. Chancery,
Close Rolls, C.54/95, mem. 15d (calendared in CCR 1272-9,
pp. 487-8). See text above]
summoned to Parliament from 16 Jul 1299 to 20 Nov 1331 by
writ directed 'Johanni de Clavering', held thereby to have
become Lord Clavering[2]
' Johan de Claveringe ', knight, serving with the army of King
Edward I in Scotland
fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298 together with his
father : his arms are recorded as
' Quarterly or and gules overall a bend sable overall a
label of three points azure ' (Falkirk Roll H 17[15])
' Johan de Claveringhe ', knight, serving with the army of King
Edward I in Scotland, fought in the siege of Caerlaverock,
Jul 1300, together with his father
: his arms are recorded as
' Quarterly or and gules overall a bend sable overall a
label vert ' (Caerlaverock Roll K 13[16])
: differenced his father's arms with 'a label of three points
azure'[15]
Spouse: Hawise de Tibetot
Birth: aft 1264[2]
Death: bef 14 Apr 1345[2]
Father: Sir Robert de Tibetot (1228-1298)
Mother: Eve de Chaworth (-<1300)
Marr: 1278[2]
Children: Eve
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1a Eve de Clavering*
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she m. 1stly Thomas de Audley,
2ndly Sir Thomas d'Ufford,
3rdly Robert of Benhale
stated to have cohabited with Sir James de Audley ca. 1314-1333[2]
cf. CP I:339[2]
1.1.1.1.1.2 Hugh de Eure [SEE ABOVE]
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Death: bef 10 Aug 1304[17],[8]
of Kirkby, Stokesley and Ingoldsby, co. Yorks. and Crekedale and
Neweton, Northumberland
' Hugh de Euere ' named in order of distraint in re: debts of
his mother Ada de Baliol (also his brother in law Patrick, earl
of Dunbar ):
' #1969. Michaelmas Term 1254.
Northumberland:----The king commands the sheriff to distrain
Patric earl of Dunbar (Dumbinar), Alan de Harekare, Alexander
de Litelinton; Patric son of Patric, and Isabella his sister,
executors of the testament of the aforesaid Patric, and to have
their bodies & c. on the morrow of St. Hilary to answer to the
king together with the executors of Ada de Baylloll, for their
debts to said Ada, in part payment &c. Similar command to the
Sheriff of York for Hugh de Euere, Ingeram de Bouinton and
William de Waldo. And to the Sheriff of Canterbury for Alan
the Reeve and William the Reeve. [Memoranda Q.R. 39 Henry III,
m. 8 dorso].'[18]
record dated at Westminster, ca. 31 Oct 1279:
' 166. Walter de Huntercumbe and Hugh de Euere have become
mainpernors for John de Balliol, to satisfy the K. for his
trespass, if any, in doing homage to the Bishop of Durham
for Bernard's Castle; if it is found the homage belongs to
the K. Westminster. ' [Bain II:50[7], no. 166, cites
Close 7 Edw. I. m. 3, dorso, cedula.]
he probably d. before 10 Aug 1304, when his son ' Johannes de
Euer ', granted a charter to Basedale priory [Mon. Angl.
V:508, Num. IV[17] - see fuller details below]
cf. VCH North Riding, I:253[11]
Ord p. 395[8]
Children: Sir John
Sir Robert, m. Isabella de Merlay (-<1271)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir John de Eure
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of Kirkby, Stokesley and Ingoldsby, co. Yorks. and Crekedale and
Neweton, Northumberland
' Johannes de Euer ', granted charter to Basedale priory
[witnessed by Arnold de Percy of Kildale, Nicholas de Meynill,
Robert de Eure [evidently not his brother], William de Mowbray
and others] of his lands in Kirkeby and Ingelby, dated at
Basedale, 10 Aug 1304 [Mon. Angl. V:508, Num. IV[17]]
cf. Ord p. 395[8]
Children: Sir John (-ca1362)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Sir John de Eure[19]
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Death: ca 1362[20]
Spouse: Margaret de Gray
Death: bef 27 May 1378[20]
Father: Thomas de Gray (-<1343)
Mother: Agnes
Children: Robert (dsp -ca1369)
Ralph (-1421)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1a Ralph Eure*
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Death: 10 Mar 1421[21]
Sheriff of Northumberland
son of Margaret de Eure, named in her will dated at Newcastle,
Wednesday before the feast of St. George Martyr, 1378
(proved 27 May 1378) [Surtees Soc. I:35-36]
he m. 1stly Isabel de Athol,
2ndly Katherie de Aton
Spouse: Isabel de Athol
Father: Aymer de Athol
Children: Margaret, m. John Pudsey
Ralph (dsp)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1b Ralph Eure* (See above)
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Spouse: Katherine de Aton [2nd wife]
Father: Sir William de Aton
Mother: Isabel de Percy
Children: Sir William (-<1466)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1b.1 Sir William Eure
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Death: bef 12 Feb 1466[21]
of Witton (in Weardale), co. Durham and Malton and Stokesley,
co. Yorks.
Spouse: Maud FitzHugh
Father: Sir Henry FitzHugh, of Ravensworth
Mother: Elizabeth de Marmion [Grey]
Children: Sir Ralph (-1461)
Margery, m. Sir Christopher Conyers of Sockburn
1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1b.1.1 Sir Ralph Eure
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Death: 9 Mar 1461, Battle of Towton[21]
knt., of Malton and Stokesley, co. Yorks.
Spouse: Eleanor Greystoke
Father: John Greystoke, Lord Greystoke (~1389-1436)
Mother: Elizabeth Ferrers (1393-1434)
Children: William
John
Hugh
Ralph
Henry
Robert
Elizabeth
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On Apr 19, 3:30�am, Alex Maxwell Findlater
Douglas Richardson
< 'Roger filius Ricardi de Wrkewrthe', identified as 'nepos' of
< Earl Hugh Bigod, and as a nephew of 'Thomas de Candelent'
< [DD 948[5], cites C. Clay, 'The ancestry of the early lords of
< Warkworth', Archaeologia Aeliana, 4th ser. 32 (1954), 65-71]
Dear John ~
As I've indicated in previous posts, the word "nepos" can not be
translated as "nephew" in this time period. Without other supporting
documentation, the appropriate translation of the word "nepos" in this
time period would be the more vague denominator, "kinsman."
If you have other supporting documentation that Roger Fitz Richard was
"nephew" to Thomas de Candelent, by all means, please post it. Ditto
Earl Hugh le Bigod.
DR
WJho...@aol.com
In a message dated 4/19/2007 8:20:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
royala...@msn.com writes:
As I've indicated in previous posts, the word "nepos" can not be
translated as "nephew" in this time period. Without other supporting
documentation, the appropriate translation of the word "nepos" in this
time period would be the more vague denominator, "kinsman."
I think this is overreaching. I don't recall any proof of this assertion.
I've seen nepos as nephew and grandson, but surely there are plenty of words
for a more vague relationship ?
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Alex Maxwell Findlater
Thank you very much for that. It fleshes out what I have a good bit
and the further references to the Kirkbride boys being in the ward of
the Lord of Warkworth is very persuasive for them being of this
family, rather than Dunbar as is sometimes suggested.
Does anyone have a link for the later Eures, Lords Eure, to the
earlier tree here detailed?
Douglas Richardson
It would help if you spent some time in the original records of this
time period. Then you would know what I was talking about. I might
also suggest that you consult the newsgroup archives. I've posted
several examples in the past of "nepos" being interchangeable with
"kinsman" in the period before 1300.
Ignorance on your part is not overreaching on mine. Sorry.
DR
Tim Powys-Lybbe
<maxwellf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have a link for the later Eures, Lords Eure, to the
> earlier tree here detailed?
The Visitation titled 'Visitations of York 1584-5 and 1612' edited by
Joseph Foster and published by him in 1875 has a reasonably well
constructed pedigree with lots of nitty gritty in an Addendum in pp.
607-617; Foster got it from one John H Mathews of Lincoln's Inn, London.
However it does not have the latest thinking on the origin of the lords
of Warkworth.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
Peter Stewart
arragonace and ignorance of Richardson, who doesn't know what he is talking
about and doesn't take rudimentary care over logic in expressing his erratic
ideas.
Of course you were perfectly right: nepos _can_ be correctly translated as
"nephew" in any text from any place and time where it is known to mean
"nephew". This is a common relationship to be mentioned between individuals,
and the most common term to describe a brother's or sister's son was always
"nepos". The fact that the word could be used more vaguely cannot preclude
its meaning "nephew" as Richardson clumsily and so rudely suggests.
"Several examples" of nepos meaning "kinsman" only show that it could mean
kinsman rather than nephew, which to intelligent and sensible people is
quite different from saying that it can not be translated as "nephew" as
Richardson absurdly stated.
Peter Stewart
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