deWARENNE

[PEhle...@aol.com]

I have a problem with the following line. I gathered information from the
archives and something doesn't add up.

Isabella de Warenne (1137-1199); Countess of Surrey married Hamelyn
Plantagenet (1130-1202).
I had their child as William de Warenne (1166-1240) married to Maud Marshall.
I had William and Maud as the parents of John de Warenne (1231-1304) who
married Alice Lusignan.

The archive I consulted was for July 29, 1996 from Jim Stevens. He shows the
line as jumping from Isabella to John.

Which, if either of us, is correct?

Regards
Phyllis in Louisiana

[ED MANN]

You are.

Direct Descendants of Isabella de Warenne

1 Isabella de Warenne b: Abt. 1137 d: 13 Jul 1199 ref #: Ä83-26
*2nd Husband of Isabella de Warenne:
+Sir Hamelin Plantagenet aka: Earl of Surrey b: Abt. 1130 d: 7 May
1202 ref #: Ä123-26
2 Sir William de Warenne aka: 5th Earl of Surrey / Named in Magna
Charta b: Abt. 1166 d: 27 May 1240 ref #: W151-1
+Maud Marshal b: Abt. 1192 d: 27 Mar 1248 ref #: W148-2
3 Sir John de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Warren & Surrey b: Aft. Jul
1231 d: 27 Sep 1304 ref #: W151-2
+Alix de Lusignan aka: Alfais de Lusignan b: Abt. 1224 d: 9 Feb
1255/56 ref #: Ä153-29
4 Sir William de Warenne aka: 7th Earl of Surrey b: Abt. 1256 d: 15
Dec 1286 ref #: W151-3

--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com

References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]

[U...@aol.com]

I have a little different line than that posted by ED MANN, can anyone
straighten this out??
Descendants of Ranulf de Warenne

1 Ranulf de Warenne
2 William de Warenne b: Abt. 1166 of Whitchurch d: 27-May-1240 [Earl of
Surrey; also de Albo Monasterio and de Whitchurch.]
.. +Maud Marshall b: Abt. 1192 Pembroke, Wales d: 27-Mar-1248
3 John de Warenne b: 1235 d: 27-Sep-1304 [7th Earl of Surrey & Warren]
.. +Alice de Lusignan b: Abt. 1224 d: 9-Feb-1255/56
4 Eleanor de Warenne b: Abt. 1251 d: Aft. 1282
.. +Henru de Percy b: 1235 d: 1272
4 William de Warenne b: Abt. 1256 d: 15-Dec-1286
.. +Joan de Vere d: Bef. 23-Nov-1293
*2nd Wife of John de Warenne:
.. +Alice de Brun b: Aft. 1221
*Friend of William de Warenne:
.. +Concubine
3 Griffin de Warren d: Bef. 1287
.. +Isabel de Pulford
4 John de Warren d: Aft. 1289
.. +Audelin de Albo

I also have the following note on the line:

Eyton discusses the origin of this family. He concludes that Griffin de
Warren, husband of Isabel de Pulford, was son of William de Warenne als.
de Albo Monasterio als. de Whitchurch, d.c.1240. That William was son
of a Ranulf de Warenne, who Eyton concluded was brother of William de
Warenne and Reginald de Warenne of Wormsgay. (Early Yorkshire Charters
argues that this last affiliation is not correct, that there was an earlier
Ranulf at Whitchurch, and that this earlier Ranulf dates back to Domesday. He
cannot be accurately placed among the family, but based on use of the names
Ranulf and William was likely related to the senior line.)

taf

Always optimistic--Dave

[Todd A. Farmerie]

U...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have a little different line than that posted by ED MANN, can anyone
> straighten this out??
> Descendants of Ranulf de Warenne
>
> 1 Ranulf de Warenne
> 2 William de Warenne b: Abt. 1166 of Whitchurch d: 27-May-1240 [Earl of
> Surrey; also de Albo Monasterio and de Whitchurch.]
> .. +Maud Marshall b: Abt. 1192 Pembroke, Wales d: 27-Mar-1248
> 3 John de Warenne b: 1235 d: 27-Sep-1304 [7th Earl of Surrey & Warren]
> .. +Alice de Lusignan b: Abt. 1224 d: 9-Feb-1255/56
> 4 Eleanor de Warenne b: Abt. 1251 d: Aft. 1282
> .. +Henru de Percy b: 1235 d: 1272
> 4 William de Warenne b: Abt. 1256 d: 15-Dec-1286
> .. +Joan de Vere d: Bef. 23-Nov-1293
> *2nd Wife of John de Warenne:
> .. +Alice de Brun b: Aft. 1221
> *Friend of William de Warenne:
> .. +Concubine
> 3 Griffin de Warren d: Bef. 1287
> .. +Isabel de Pulford
> 4 John de Warren d: Aft. 1289
> .. +Audelin de Albo

This combines two separate Warenne lines. The Warenne Earls of Surrey
descend from Hamelin 'Plantagenet', illegitimate son of Geoffrey, by his
wife, the heiress of the Warenne line. This line traces back to the
first Earl, William, who was a companion of William the Conqueror, and
also the father of the Warenne of Wormsgay line. Two more generations
can be traced in Normandy. The Whitchurch Warennes appear to descend
from a younger contemporary of this first William, named Ranulf, who
held Whitchurch at Domesday. He would appear to be ancestor of the
above Ranulf, father of William of Whitchurch, from whom both the
Whitchurch and Ightfield branches belonged.

Ranulf (I)
|
Ranulf (II)
|----------|-------|
Ranulf (III) William I Ranulf
|-------|---------| :
William II Reginald Ranulf
| | |
Surrey Wormsgay William
|-----|-------|
William Griffith
| |
Whitchurch Ightfield

taf