Descents From Edward III for Mark Milbanke, Governor of Newfoundland 1789-92
Brad Verity
vice-admiral of the white, fought against the colonists in the closing
years of the American revolution, and was governor of Newfoundland from
1789 to 1792. A biography of him can be found at the online Dictionary
of Canadian Biography:
http://www.biographi.ca/EN/ShowBio.asp?BioId=36680&query=Milbanke
Milbanke, from a prominent 17th-century Yorkshire gentry family, has
several descents from Edward III and Edward I through late-medieval
Northern England families. The Edward III ones I've traced so far
are below.
There is one gap - the wife of John Acclam, the last of that family
at Moreby Hall in Yorkshire, and mother of the Moreby Hall heiress. If
anyone knows her identity, I'd greatly appreciate it.
EDWARD III - LINE A
A1) John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399), who had
A2) Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (c.1379-1440), who had (with
B3, C3 & D3 below),
A3) Eleanor Neville, Countess of Northumberland (d.1473), who had
A4) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461), who had
A5) Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland (1449-1489), who had
A6) Maud Percy (c.1485/89-c.1521/27), possibly illeg., m. 1510, Sir
Ralph Ryther of Ryther, Yorks. (c.1450-1520), and they had
A7) Elizabeth Ryther (1512/15-c.1531/35) m. 1527/30, William Acclam of
Moreby Hall, Yorks., and they had
A8) William Acclam of Moreby (c.1531/35-1567) m. Margaret Mordaunt, and
had
A9) John Acclam of Moreby (d. 1611) m. Elizabeth Palmes, and had
A10) Sir William Acclam of Moreby m. Elizabeth Dawnay, and had
A11) John Acclam of Moreby m. ---------, and had
A12) Elizabeth Acclam, heiress of Moreby, m. Mark Milbanke, 1st Bt. of
Halnaby, Yorks. (d. 1680), and had
A13) Mark Milbanke, 2nd Bt. of Halnaby (d. 1698) m. Jane Carr (d.
1704), and had
A14) Ralph Milbanke, 4th Bt. of Halnaby (d. 1748) m. Ann Delavall, and
had
A15) Mark Milbanke (1724-1805), 3rd son, governor of Newfoundland
1789-1792
EDWARD III - LINE B
B3) Richard Nevill, Earl of Salisbury (c.1400-1460), who had
B4) George Nevill, Archbishop of York (1432-1476), who had
B5) Alice Nevill, illeg., m. c.1475, Thomas Tunstall (d. 1494/99), and
they had
B6) Sir Brian Tunstall of Thurland, Lancs. (c.1480/85-1513), who had
B7) Sir Marmaduke Tunstall of Thurland (1507-1557) m. c.1525 Mary
Scargill (d. 1579), and they had
B8) Elizabeth Tunstall (c.1531/40-bef. 1578) m. c. 1560, Sir John
Dawnay of Sessay, and they had
B9) Sir Thomas Dawnay of Sessay (1563-1642) m. Faith Legard, and they
had
B10) Elizabeth Dawnay m. Sir William Acclam of Moreby (see A10 above)
EDWARD III - LINE C
C3) George Nevill, 1st Lord Latimer (c.1411-1469), who had
C4) Sir Henry Nevill (d. 1469), who had
C5) Richard Nevill, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530), who had
C6) Dorothy Nevill (1496-1532) m. Sir John Dawnay of Sessay (d. 1553),
and they had
C7) Sir Thomas Dawnay of Sessay (d. 1566) m. Edith Darcy, and they had
C8) Sir John Dawnay of Sessay m. c.1560 Elizabeth Tunstall (see B8
above)
EDWARD III - LINE D
D3) Elizabeth Ferrers, Lady Greystoke (1393-1434), who had (with E4
below),
D4) Joan Greystoke (c.1410-aft. 1472) m. Sir John Darcy of Temple
Hurst, Yorks. (1404-1458), and they had
D5) Richard Darcy (dvp) , who had
D6) Sir William Darcy of Temple Hurst (d. 1488), who had
D7) Thomas Darcy, 1st Lord Darcy (c.1467-1537), who had
D8) George Darcy, 1st Lord Darcy of Aston (d. 1558) m. Dorothy Melton
(c.1505-1557), and they had
D9) Edith Darcy m. Sir Thomas Dawnay of Sessay (d. 1566) - see C7
above
EDWARD III - LINE E
E4) Anne Greystoke (d. 1477) m. Sir Ralph Bigod of Settrington
(1410-1461), and they had
E5) Anne Bigod (d. 1531) m. Sir William Conyers of Sockburn (d. 1490),
and they had
E6) Christopher Conyers of Sockburn m. Anne Markenfield, and they had
E7) Jane Conyers m. Sir Robert Scargill of Scargill, and they had
E8) Mary Scargill (d. 1578) m. c.1525 Sir Marmaduke Tunstall
(1507-1557) - see B7 above
Cheers, --------------Brad
John P. Ravilious
Will keep the eyes ought for any evidence re: the missing Acclam
wife.
Meanwhile, don't forget the Percy descent from Edward III (Lionel
of Antwerp -> Philippa = Edmund de Mortimer -> Elizabeth Mortimer = Sir
Henry Percy, aka 'Hotspur'].
Cheers,
John
Brad Verity
> Will keep the eyes ought for any evidence re: the missing Acclam
> wife.
Thanks, John.
> Meanwhile, don't forget the Percy descent from Edward III (Lionel
> of Antwerp -> Philippa = Edmund de Mortimer -> Elizabeth Mortimer = Sir
> Henry Percy, aka 'Hotspur'].
Yes, plus there's another one in line C4). Sir Henry's Nevill's wife
Joan Bourchier was descended from Edward III through Thomas of
Woodstock. I focused in the post on Joan Beaufort, Countess of
Westmorland, since she is a true gateway ancestor to Edward III for
Yorkshire families. By 1565, more than a third of the families in
Flower's Visitation of Yorkshire can trace a descent from her. I'm
working on an article that will have more exact statistics.
Edward I gateways to 16th-century Yorkshire families that don't also
descend from Edward III include (probably) Philip Darcy, 6th Lord Darcy
(1398-1418), as well as (certainly) Elizabeth Strathbogie, Dame Percy
(1361-1416) and Sir Edward Hastings of Fenwick (1382-1438). Your
ongoing research on the line of the last one, John, has been a huge
help.
Cheers,
-------Brad
Cheers, -------Brad
Brad Verity
> Will keep the eyes ought for any evidence re: the missing Acclam
> wife.
Thanks, John.
> Meanwhile, don't forget the Percy descent from Edward III (Lionel
> of Antwerp -> Philippa = Edmund de Mortimer -> Elizabeth Mortimer = Sir
> Henry Percy, aka 'Hotspur'].
Yes, plus there's another one in line C4). Sir Henry's Nevill's wife
John Higgins
I can't help with the wife of John Acclam of Moreby, through whom all 5 of
the descents from Edward III that you've traced below go. But I can add a
couple of more Edward III descents for him. The husband of A3 below,
Eleanor Neville, was Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, whose mother
was a great-granddaughter of Edward III. And the wife of C4 Sir Henry
Nevill was Joan/Jane Bourchier, whose father was a great-grandson of Edward
III.
Perhaps more interesting, however, is that Admiral Mark Milbanke's mother
Anne Delaval appears to have 21 descents from Edward III. I need to check
these out, but I suspect that this number is close if not right on. There
may also be Edward III descents (or at least Plantagenet descents) from the
Admiral's grandmother Jane Carr of Cocken, but this needs some further
research.
The Admiral of course has beaucoup Plantagenet descents (over 800)...but
that's pretty much "par for the course" in gentry families of that period.
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Tim Powys-Lybbe
> I focused in the post on Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland, since
> she is a true gateway ancestor to Edward III for Yorkshire families.
> By 1565, more than a third of the families in Flower's Visitation of
> Yorkshire can trace a descent from her.
And I've found a line of 14 descents from her, showing (I think) 13
intermarriages between her descendants. I wonder if all these
intermarriages did not lead to some genetic defect, particularly the
lack of sons in some families.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/
Brad Verity
> Very interesting.....the Milbankes are quite well-connected.
Yes, especially considering that the 1st Baronet was just a couple
generations removed from the cup-bearer to Mary Queen of Scots. The
cupbearer moved to Yorkshire and founded the dynasty there.
> I can't help with the wife of John Acclam of Moreby, through whom all 5 of
> the descents from Edward III that you've traced below go. But I can add a
> couple of more Edward III descents for him. The husband of A3 below,
> Eleanor Neville, was Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, whose mother
> was a great-granddaughter of Edward III. And the wife of C4 Sir Henry
> Nevill was Joan/Jane Bourchier, whose father was a great-grandson of Edward
> III.
Yes. I'm in the process of trying to sort out exactly which families,
by 1565, descend only from Elizabeth Mortimer, Lady Percy, without also
descending from Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland (whom I've
unofficially dubbed the Grandmother of Yorkshire).
> Perhaps more interesting, however, is that Admiral Mark Milbanke's mother
> Anne Delaval appears to have 21 descents from Edward III.
?!!!!
> I need to check
> these out, but I suspect that this number is close if not right on.
I'd love to see them, once you've worked them out. I have descents
from Edward I for spouses on some of the lines I posted at the
beginning, and when I have more time, I'll post those.
> There
> may also be Edward III descents (or at least Plantagenet descents) from the
> Admiral's grandmother Jane Carr of Cocken, but this needs some further
> research.
I intend to look into the Carrs as well.
> The Admiral of course has beaucoup Plantagenet descents (over 800)...but
> that's pretty much "par for the course" in gentry families of that period.
Part of the impetus for me to do this was the contention (which I read
some time ago and can't recall where exactly) that almost everyone in
the U.K. descends from Edward I. I think it's only true for the upper
class, but it would be interesting to see if everyone in the current
Burke's Peerage, for instance, actually does.
Cheers, --------Brad
John Higgins
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Subject: Re: Descents From Edward III for Mark Milbanke,Governor of
Newfoundland 1789-92
> John Higgins wrote:
>
> > Very interesting.....the Milbankes are quite well-connected.
>
[snip]
>
> > Perhaps more interesting, however, is that Admiral Mark Milbanke's
mother
> > Anne Delaval appears to have 21 descents from Edward III.
>
> ?!!!!
>
> > I need to check
> > these out, but I suspect that this number is close if not right on.
>
> I'd love to see them, once you've worked them out. I have descents
> from Edward I for spouses on some of the lines I posted at the
> beginning, and when I have more time, I'll post those.
I'll work on this a bit and see what I can put together....
[snip]
>
> > The Admiral of course has beaucoup Plantagenet descents (over 800)...but
> > that's pretty much "par for the course" in gentry families of that
period.
>
> Part of the impetus for me to do this was the contention (which I read
> some time ago and can't recall where exactly) that almost everyone in
> the U.K. descends from Edward I. I think it's only true for the upper
> class, but it would be interesting to see if everyone in the current
> Burke's Peerage, for instance, actually does.
>
I've had similar thoughts regarding the current peerage - or at least the
hereditary peers and perhaps the baronets. I suspect that at least a
Plantagenet descent (and perhaps a descent from either Edward I or Edward
III) can be traced for the current holders of all hereditary peerages
created before a certain date - but I don't currently know the oldest
existing peerage that does not have such a descent. It's pretty easy to
show that all the current dukes descend from Edward III via multiple paths -
I need to work on the lower grades of the peerage. The dukes with the
greatest number of Edward III descents appear to be Northumberland and
(surprisingly) Westminster, followed by Buccleuch, Abercorn, and Devonshire.