John Dinham (d. 1428) and his 1st wife, Elen [Montagu ?]
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Dear Chris, Rosie, Doug, Paul, Ivor, et al.,
Two items of some note with regard to the prior post, and the
relation of the Dinham family to that of Sir Guy de Briene (de Bryan):
1. Paul Reed noted that Sir Guy de Bryan, Lord Bryan was
born ca. 1319 (aged 30 at his father's death in 1349) [1].
It is evident that the 'Sir Guy de Briene' who held the
advowson of Morleigh, Devon in 1359 was in fact Sir Guy,
Lord Bryan and not his father. Further, given that
Oliver de Dinham of Sampford Peverel, Devon (husband of
Joan de Briene/Bryan) was born in or shortly before 1325
(proving his age in 1346), his wife Joan should be
identified as a sister of Sir Guy, Lord Bryan, and not
a daughter [2].
2. Sir Guy de Bryan's 2nd wife (m. bef 10 July 1350) was
Elizabeth de Montagu, widow of Hugh le Despenser (dsp)
and sister of John de Montagu, Lord Montagu and husband
of Margaret de Monthermer. This relationship does not
prove any further relationship to the Lords Dinham, but
does illustrate that Sir Guy de Bryan had relations with
both the Montagus and the younger Dinham branch. This
may have provided another avenue of contact between
Eleanor de Montagu (niece of Sir Guy's wife Elizabeth)
and John de Dinham (d. 1428), 2nd cousin of Sir Guy's
niece Margaret (de Dinham) de Asthorpe, of Morleigh, Devon.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Paul Reed, <CP XIV: FitzPayn, Grey, Bryan [VERY LONG]>, SGM,
20 Oct 1998.
[2] Col. F. B. Prideaux, Notes and News [with regard to the
pedigree of Fishacre, Genealogists' Magazine VI:626],
The Genealogists' Magazine Vol. 7, No. 10, June 1937,
pp. 536-7:
'Sir Guy de Bryan, guardian of the heir of Oliver de Dynham.'