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Untangling the Trussells - Part 2
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John Watson
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The sons of Sir William Trussell of Kibblestone and their descendants
1.1.1.1 Sir John Trussell (c. 1305 - 1358)
Sir John Trussell, eldest son and heir of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1305. In May 1318, he was excused from paying the scutage for one knight’s fee in Weybourne, Norfolk as his father was certified to have served in person in the Scottish campaigns of 1300, 1302 and 1306. [1] In January 1326, Hillary term, 19 Edward II, Isabel widow of Sir William Trussell sued John son of William son of William Trussell of Kibblestone and Eleanor his wife for a third part of the manor of Kibblestone which she claimed as dower. [2] He was knighted before 8 August 1327 when he had a pardon for trespasses in respect of vert and venison in the forest of La Mare. [3] In January 1336, John Trussell of Kibblestone had licence for the alienation in mortmain of £10 of rent out of the manor of Rode to three chaplains to celebrate divine service daily in the parish church of Warmingham for the soul of him and for the soul of his mother. [4] In March 1336, he was pardoned a debt of 100s. required of him by the Exchequer for the balance of debts due from William Trussell, his grandfather, whose heir he is, when he was sheriff of Kent of Edward I. [5] In May and September 1336, he had protections going to Scotland. [6] On 2 March 1338, John Trussell of Kibblestone had licence to crenellate his dwelling-place of Kibblestone. [7] In May and September 1336, he had protections going to Scotland. [8] He fought in the Crecy campaign of 1346-7. [9] In Michaelmas term 1353, Warin Trussell, the younger (his son), said to be of full age, claimed the manors of Kibblestone and Sheriff Hales from him, but failed to appear in court. [10]
Sir John Trussell married firstly, before January 1326, Eleanor [11] and secondly, before October 1344, [12] Pernel, widow of Adam Banastre of Bretherton, Lancashire. [13] By his first wife, he had four sons, William, John, Fulk and Warin (a priest), [14] and by his second wife, a son Robert, living in June 1346. [15] Sir John Trussell died before Trinity term, 32 Edward III; May 1358. [16] His widow Pernel was living in October 1383. [17]
1.1.1.1.1 Sir William Trussell (c. 1325 – 1380)
Sir William Trussell son and heir of Sir John Trussell of Kibblestone and Eleanor his wife was probably born about 1325. He first appears in records in May 1347, when he was ordered to be arrested for suspected involvement in the abduction of Margery wife of Nicholas de la Beche and the murder of Michael Poynings. [18] In August 1347, his uncles William and Warin were sureties that he would surrender to the Marshalsea prison in London. [19] In February 1353, he was pardoned for a murder that he had committed in 1345. [20] On 26 October 1367, he had licence to crenellate his manor of Sheriff Hales in Shropshire and to enclose his park there. [21]
He married, before August 1337, Roese daughter of Hugh de Venables. [22] He left a will dated 21 February 1379, in which he mentions his brother Warin and Elizabeth his heir. [23] He died shortly before 23 February 1380. [24] His only daughter Katherine had predeceased him, leaving a daughter Elizabeth, whom the king married to Baldwin de Freville. Elizabeth died childless about 1383, when her heir was Margaret Trussell, wife of Sir Fulk Pembrugge.
1.1.1.2 Sir William Trussell (c. 1308 – 1363)
Sir William Trussell, second son of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1308. After the accession of Edward III, he found a place at court, probably through the influence of his cousin Sir William Trussell of Flore. He became a companion of the king and in January 1332 he is called king’s yeoman and was granted 50 marks yearly, for life, for his continual stay by the king's side. [25] A few days later he was granted the manor of Wokefield, Berkshire. [26] In February 1332, as William Trussell ‘the younger’ he had letters of protection, going overseas with his cousin Sir William Trussell ‘the elder’ (of Flore). [27] In March 1332, he surrendered the manor of Wokefield in exchange for the manor of Radstone, Northamptonshire. [28] In October 1332, he had a general pardon. [29] In November 1333, he was made constable of Beaumaris castle in Anglesey for life. [30] In February 1334, he was made sheriff of Anglesey. [31] In September 1334, the king granted that if Oliver de Bordeaux and Maud his wife died without heirs, then the manor of Foliejon in Windsor forest should remain to him. [32] In April 1335, he had licence to acquire the manor of Shottesbrooke in Berkshire. [33] In July 1335, he is mentioned as constable of Odiham castle, Hampshire. [34] In October 1335, he was granted custody of the lands of Hugh de St. John. [35] In April 1336, he had licence for the alienation in mortmain of the advowson of Shottesbrooke and rent there for 6 chaplains in the church of Shottesbrooke. [36] In March 1337, he was granted for life, exemption from assizes, juries, or recognisances, and from appointment as mayor, sheriff, escheator or other bailiff or minister of the king, against his will, etc. [37] In April 1340, he had a grant of the advowson of the church of Basildon, Berkshire. [38] He fought in the Crecy and Calais campaigns of 1346-7. [39] In December 1347, William Trussell of Kibblestone, Warin Trussell his brother, and John Brocas, knights, acknowledged a debt of £1,000 owed to John de Wigan, citizen of London. [40] In January 1359, he exchanged the manor of Foliejon and other land around Windsor for the manor of Eaton Hastings, Berkshire. [41] He was still constable of Odiham castle in September 1362. [42]
Sir William Trussell married, firstly before 1324, Isabel by whom he had a son John who was living in 1342 and then of Acton Trussell. [43] John died in his father’s lifetime, leaving a widow Katherine who married secondly Thomas del Hogh. [44] He married, secondly, before 1342, Ida, daughter of William Bottiler, and in her issue, one of the heirs of her brother, Edward Bottiler, clerk, who died on 20 August 1375.[45] Sir William Trussell died on 20 July 1363. [46] By Ida he had an only daughter and heir, Margaret, born in 1348. She married firstly, when very young, Nicholas son of John de Whiston who died in 1361. [47] She married secondly, before July 1363, Sir Fulk Pembrugge, but died childless on 10 June 1399, when her heir was William son of Lawrence son of Warin brother of William Trussell her father, aged 12 years and more (he died in January 1464). [48] Sir Fulk Pembrugge married secondly Isabel Lingen and died s.p. on 24 May 1409, when his heir was his sister Juliana, widow of Sir Richard Vernon of Harlaston. [49]
1.1.1.3 Sir Warin Trussell (c. 1310 – 1365)
Sir Warin Trussell, third son of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1310. On 20 January 1326, Oliver de Bordeaux, king's yeoman, had licence to enfeoff Matthew, vicar of the church of Old Windsor, of lands and rent in Eton, New Windsor, and Old Windsor, held in chief, and for Matthew to regrant the same to Oliver and Maud his wife and the heirs of their bodies, with successive remainders in tail to William Trussell, son of Maud, to Warin his brother, and to the right heirs of Oliver. [50] In March 1341, he was owed £13 11s. 9d. in respect of his service overseas for the king. [51] In 1341, Sir Warin Trussel and his wife Maud had licence from the bishop of Worcester for an oratory for two years in their manor of Billesley, Warwickshire. [52] In August 1347, he and his brother William owed £200 to Michael Poynings. [53] In December 1347, William Trussell of Kibblestone and Warin Trussell his brother and John Brocas, knights, acknowledged that they owed £1,000 to John de Wigan, warden of the prison of the Marshalsea, as a bond for William son of John Trussell. [54]
He married before 1341, Maud, daughter of John de St. Philbert, by his wife Ada de Botetourt. Sir Warin Trussell died before 7 July 1365. [55] Maud survived him and was living in December 1384 when she granted her part of the manor of Farlington, Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire to her nephew Sir John Playce. [56]
Warin Trussel and Maud were succeeded by their son Laurence.
1.1.1.3.1 Laurence Trussell (c. 1355 – 1399)
Laurence, eldest son of Sir Warin Trussel was probably born about 1355. In February 1377, he quitclaimed his part of the manor of Farlington, Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire to Sir Brian de Stapleton and Alice his wife. [57] In June 1383, he, and Maud his wife granted the manors of Elmesthorpe and Swepstone, Leicestershire and Bilton, Warwickshire to John Pavey and Joan his wife. [58] In June 1396, he was outlawed for non-payment of a debt of £80 owed to John, duke of Lancaster, but was pardoned by the king. [59]
He married before June 1383, Maud, daughter, and heiress of Sir Thomas Charnels (died before 1367). In 1377, Maud had successfully petitioned Parliament to recover the manors of Elmesthorpe and Swepstone, Leicestershire and Bilton, Warwickshire from John de Charnels of Bedworth. [60] Laurence Trussell died shortly before 8 July 1399. [61] Maud married secondly, Sir Robert Litton (died about 1415) and in February 1400, they were dealing with the manors of Elmesthorpe and Bilton. [62]
Laurence and Maud were succeeded by their son William, who in June 1399, when he was aged about 14, was the heir of his aunt Margaret, daughter of William Trussell. [63]
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/trussell-sir-william-1385-1464
Regards,
John
[1] Calendar of Chancery Warrants, 1244-1326 (1927), 487.
[2] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 9 (1888), 112.
[3] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 146.
[4] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 194.
[5] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 239.
[6] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 503, 504.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 4: 1338-1340 (1898), 22.
[8] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 503, 504.
[9] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 33.
[10] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 118.
[11] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 9 (1888), 112.
[12] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/177/77, number 284.
[13] Fortieth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1879), Appendix, 521.
[14] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/36, number 93.
[15] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/177/78, number 317.
[16] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 163.
[17] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/178/87, number 57.
[18] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 6, Edward III: 1347-1356 (1921), 31, 35.
[19] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 415, 419.
[20] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 9; 1350-1354 (1907), 408.
[21] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 14: 1367-1370 (1913), 17, 18.
[22] Thirty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1875), Appendix II: Recognizance Rolls of Chester, 476.
[23] Nicholas Harris Nicolas, ed., Testamenta Vetusta, vol. 1 (1826), 107.
[24] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 9, Richard II: 1377-1383 (1926), 205.
[25] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 233.
[26] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 242.
[27] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 253.
[28] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 258.
[29] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 343.
[30] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 480.
[31] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 386.
[32] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 28.
[33] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 91.
[34] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 207.
[35] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 176.
[36] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 252.
[37] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 389.
[38] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 4: 1338-1340 (1898), 469.
[39] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 158.
[40] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 419.
[41] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 11: 1358-1361 (1911), 148.
[42] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 12: 1361-1364 (1912), 245.
[43] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 11 (1890), 151.
[44] Register of Edward, the Black Prince, Part 3, (Palatinate of Chester): 1351-1365 (1932), 481.
[45] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 14, Edward III (1952), No. 100.
[46] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 11, Edward III (1935), 407, No. 533.
[47] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 20 (New Series, vol. 2) (1899), 55.
[48] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 17, Richard II (1988), No. 1326.
[49] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 19, Henry IV (1992), No. 580.
[50] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 5: 1324-1327 (1904), 214.
[51] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6, 1341-1343 (1902), 84.
[52] William Dugdale, The Antiquities of Warwickshire (1656), 539.
[53] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 371.
[54] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 415, 419.
[55] Register of Edward, the Black Prince, Part 3, (Palatinate of Chester): 1351-1365 (1932), 481.
[56] Calendar of Close Rolls, Richard II, vol. 2: 1381-1385 (1920), 610.
[57] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 14: 1374-1377 (1913), 529.
[58] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/126/68, number 21, CP 25/1/289/53, number 83.
[59] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Richard II, vol. 5: 1391-1396 (1905), 682, 723.
[60] Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/19/910,
Calendar of Close Rolls, Richard II, vol. 1: 1377-1381 (1914), 40.
[61] Thirty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1875), Appendix II: Recognizance Rolls of Chester, 477.
[62] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/290/59, number 6.
[63] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 17, Richard II (1988), No. 1326.
1.1.1.1 Sir John Trussell (c. 1305 - 1358)
Sir John Trussell, eldest son and heir of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1305. In May 1318, he was excused from paying the scutage for one knight’s fee in Weybourne, Norfolk as his father was certified to have served in person in the Scottish campaigns of 1300, 1302 and 1306. [1] In January 1326, Hillary term, 19 Edward II, Isabel widow of Sir William Trussell sued John son of William son of William Trussell of Kibblestone and Eleanor his wife for a third part of the manor of Kibblestone which she claimed as dower. [2] He was knighted before 8 August 1327 when he had a pardon for trespasses in respect of vert and venison in the forest of La Mare. [3] In January 1336, John Trussell of Kibblestone had licence for the alienation in mortmain of £10 of rent out of the manor of Rode to three chaplains to celebrate divine service daily in the parish church of Warmingham for the soul of him and for the soul of his mother. [4] In March 1336, he was pardoned a debt of 100s. required of him by the Exchequer for the balance of debts due from William Trussell, his grandfather, whose heir he is, when he was sheriff of Kent of Edward I. [5] In May and September 1336, he had protections going to Scotland. [6] On 2 March 1338, John Trussell of Kibblestone had licence to crenellate his dwelling-place of Kibblestone. [7] In May and September 1336, he had protections going to Scotland. [8] He fought in the Crecy campaign of 1346-7. [9] In Michaelmas term 1353, Warin Trussell, the younger (his son), said to be of full age, claimed the manors of Kibblestone and Sheriff Hales from him, but failed to appear in court. [10]
Sir John Trussell married firstly, before January 1326, Eleanor [11] and secondly, before October 1344, [12] Pernel, widow of Adam Banastre of Bretherton, Lancashire. [13] By his first wife, he had four sons, William, John, Fulk and Warin (a priest), [14] and by his second wife, a son Robert, living in June 1346. [15] Sir John Trussell died before Trinity term, 32 Edward III; May 1358. [16] His widow Pernel was living in October 1383. [17]
1.1.1.1.1 Sir William Trussell (c. 1325 – 1380)
Sir William Trussell son and heir of Sir John Trussell of Kibblestone and Eleanor his wife was probably born about 1325. He first appears in records in May 1347, when he was ordered to be arrested for suspected involvement in the abduction of Margery wife of Nicholas de la Beche and the murder of Michael Poynings. [18] In August 1347, his uncles William and Warin were sureties that he would surrender to the Marshalsea prison in London. [19] In February 1353, he was pardoned for a murder that he had committed in 1345. [20] On 26 October 1367, he had licence to crenellate his manor of Sheriff Hales in Shropshire and to enclose his park there. [21]
He married, before August 1337, Roese daughter of Hugh de Venables. [22] He left a will dated 21 February 1379, in which he mentions his brother Warin and Elizabeth his heir. [23] He died shortly before 23 February 1380. [24] His only daughter Katherine had predeceased him, leaving a daughter Elizabeth, whom the king married to Baldwin de Freville. Elizabeth died childless about 1383, when her heir was Margaret Trussell, wife of Sir Fulk Pembrugge.
1.1.1.2 Sir William Trussell (c. 1308 – 1363)
Sir William Trussell, second son of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1308. After the accession of Edward III, he found a place at court, probably through the influence of his cousin Sir William Trussell of Flore. He became a companion of the king and in January 1332 he is called king’s yeoman and was granted 50 marks yearly, for life, for his continual stay by the king's side. [25] A few days later he was granted the manor of Wokefield, Berkshire. [26] In February 1332, as William Trussell ‘the younger’ he had letters of protection, going overseas with his cousin Sir William Trussell ‘the elder’ (of Flore). [27] In March 1332, he surrendered the manor of Wokefield in exchange for the manor of Radstone, Northamptonshire. [28] In October 1332, he had a general pardon. [29] In November 1333, he was made constable of Beaumaris castle in Anglesey for life. [30] In February 1334, he was made sheriff of Anglesey. [31] In September 1334, the king granted that if Oliver de Bordeaux and Maud his wife died without heirs, then the manor of Foliejon in Windsor forest should remain to him. [32] In April 1335, he had licence to acquire the manor of Shottesbrooke in Berkshire. [33] In July 1335, he is mentioned as constable of Odiham castle, Hampshire. [34] In October 1335, he was granted custody of the lands of Hugh de St. John. [35] In April 1336, he had licence for the alienation in mortmain of the advowson of Shottesbrooke and rent there for 6 chaplains in the church of Shottesbrooke. [36] In March 1337, he was granted for life, exemption from assizes, juries, or recognisances, and from appointment as mayor, sheriff, escheator or other bailiff or minister of the king, against his will, etc. [37] In April 1340, he had a grant of the advowson of the church of Basildon, Berkshire. [38] He fought in the Crecy and Calais campaigns of 1346-7. [39] In December 1347, William Trussell of Kibblestone, Warin Trussell his brother, and John Brocas, knights, acknowledged a debt of £1,000 owed to John de Wigan, citizen of London. [40] In January 1359, he exchanged the manor of Foliejon and other land around Windsor for the manor of Eaton Hastings, Berkshire. [41] He was still constable of Odiham castle in September 1362. [42]
Sir William Trussell married, firstly before 1324, Isabel by whom he had a son John who was living in 1342 and then of Acton Trussell. [43] John died in his father’s lifetime, leaving a widow Katherine who married secondly Thomas del Hogh. [44] He married, secondly, before 1342, Ida, daughter of William Bottiler, and in her issue, one of the heirs of her brother, Edward Bottiler, clerk, who died on 20 August 1375.[45] Sir William Trussell died on 20 July 1363. [46] By Ida he had an only daughter and heir, Margaret, born in 1348. She married firstly, when very young, Nicholas son of John de Whiston who died in 1361. [47] She married secondly, before July 1363, Sir Fulk Pembrugge, but died childless on 10 June 1399, when her heir was William son of Lawrence son of Warin brother of William Trussell her father, aged 12 years and more (he died in January 1464). [48] Sir Fulk Pembrugge married secondly Isabel Lingen and died s.p. on 24 May 1409, when his heir was his sister Juliana, widow of Sir Richard Vernon of Harlaston. [49]
1.1.1.3 Sir Warin Trussell (c. 1310 – 1365)
Sir Warin Trussell, third son of Sir William Trussell and Maud de Mainwaring was probably born about 1310. On 20 January 1326, Oliver de Bordeaux, king's yeoman, had licence to enfeoff Matthew, vicar of the church of Old Windsor, of lands and rent in Eton, New Windsor, and Old Windsor, held in chief, and for Matthew to regrant the same to Oliver and Maud his wife and the heirs of their bodies, with successive remainders in tail to William Trussell, son of Maud, to Warin his brother, and to the right heirs of Oliver. [50] In March 1341, he was owed £13 11s. 9d. in respect of his service overseas for the king. [51] In 1341, Sir Warin Trussel and his wife Maud had licence from the bishop of Worcester for an oratory for two years in their manor of Billesley, Warwickshire. [52] In August 1347, he and his brother William owed £200 to Michael Poynings. [53] In December 1347, William Trussell of Kibblestone and Warin Trussell his brother and John Brocas, knights, acknowledged that they owed £1,000 to John de Wigan, warden of the prison of the Marshalsea, as a bond for William son of John Trussell. [54]
He married before 1341, Maud, daughter of John de St. Philbert, by his wife Ada de Botetourt. Sir Warin Trussell died before 7 July 1365. [55] Maud survived him and was living in December 1384 when she granted her part of the manor of Farlington, Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire to her nephew Sir John Playce. [56]
Warin Trussel and Maud were succeeded by their son Laurence.
1.1.1.3.1 Laurence Trussell (c. 1355 – 1399)
Laurence, eldest son of Sir Warin Trussel was probably born about 1355. In February 1377, he quitclaimed his part of the manor of Farlington, Sheriff Hutton, Yorkshire to Sir Brian de Stapleton and Alice his wife. [57] In June 1383, he, and Maud his wife granted the manors of Elmesthorpe and Swepstone, Leicestershire and Bilton, Warwickshire to John Pavey and Joan his wife. [58] In June 1396, he was outlawed for non-payment of a debt of £80 owed to John, duke of Lancaster, but was pardoned by the king. [59]
He married before June 1383, Maud, daughter, and heiress of Sir Thomas Charnels (died before 1367). In 1377, Maud had successfully petitioned Parliament to recover the manors of Elmesthorpe and Swepstone, Leicestershire and Bilton, Warwickshire from John de Charnels of Bedworth. [60] Laurence Trussell died shortly before 8 July 1399. [61] Maud married secondly, Sir Robert Litton (died about 1415) and in February 1400, they were dealing with the manors of Elmesthorpe and Bilton. [62]
Laurence and Maud were succeeded by their son William, who in June 1399, when he was aged about 14, was the heir of his aunt Margaret, daughter of William Trussell. [63]
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/trussell-sir-william-1385-1464
Regards,
John
[1] Calendar of Chancery Warrants, 1244-1326 (1927), 487.
[2] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 9 (1888), 112.
[3] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1891), 146.
[4] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 194.
[5] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 239.
[6] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 503, 504.
[7] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 4: 1338-1340 (1898), 22.
[8] Grant G. Simpson and James D. Galbraith, eds., Calendar of Documents Relating to Scotland, vol. 5 (Supplementary) (1970), 503, 504.
[9] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 33.
[10] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 118.
[11] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 9 (1888), 112.
[12] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/177/77, number 284.
[13] Fortieth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1879), Appendix, 521.
[14] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/286/36, number 93.
[15] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/177/78, number 317.
[16] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 12 (1891), 163.
[17] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/178/87, number 57.
[18] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 6, Edward III: 1347-1356 (1921), 31, 35.
[19] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 415, 419.
[20] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 9; 1350-1354 (1907), 408.
[21] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 14: 1367-1370 (1913), 17, 18.
[22] Thirty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1875), Appendix II: Recognizance Rolls of Chester, 476.
[23] Nicholas Harris Nicolas, ed., Testamenta Vetusta, vol. 1 (1826), 107.
[24] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 9, Richard II: 1377-1383 (1926), 205.
[25] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 233.
[26] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 242.
[27] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 253.
[28] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 258.
[29] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 343.
[30] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 480.
[31] Calendar of Fine Rolls, vol. 4, Edward III: 1327-1337 (1913), 386.
[32] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 28.
[33] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 91.
[34] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 207.
[35] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338 (1895), 176.
[36] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 252.
[37] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 3: 1334-1338: (1895), 389.
[38] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 4: 1338-1340 (1898), 469.
[39] George Wrottesley, Crecy and Calais (1898), 158.
[40] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 419.
[41] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 11: 1358-1361 (1911), 148.
[42] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 12: 1361-1364 (1912), 245.
[43] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 11 (1890), 151.
[44] Register of Edward, the Black Prince, Part 3, (Palatinate of Chester): 1351-1365 (1932), 481.
[45] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 14, Edward III (1952), No. 100.
[46] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 11, Edward III (1935), 407, No. 533.
[47] Staffordshire Historical Collections, vol. 20 (New Series, vol. 2) (1899), 55.
[48] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 17, Richard II (1988), No. 1326.
[49] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 19, Henry IV (1992), No. 580.
[50] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward II, vol. 5: 1324-1327 (1904), 214.
[51] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 6, 1341-1343 (1902), 84.
[52] William Dugdale, The Antiquities of Warwickshire (1656), 539.
[53] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 371.
[54] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 8: 1346-1349 (1905), 415, 419.
[55] Register of Edward, the Black Prince, Part 3, (Palatinate of Chester): 1351-1365 (1932), 481.
[56] Calendar of Close Rolls, Richard II, vol. 2: 1381-1385 (1920), 610.
[57] Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 14: 1374-1377 (1913), 529.
[58] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/126/68, number 21, CP 25/1/289/53, number 83.
[59] Calendar of Patent Rolls, Richard II, vol. 5: 1391-1396 (1905), 682, 723.
[60] Special Collections: Ancient Petitions, SC 8/19/910,
Calendar of Close Rolls, Richard II, vol. 1: 1377-1381 (1914), 40.
[61] Thirty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records (1875), Appendix II: Recognizance Rolls of Chester, 477.
[62] Feet of Fines: CP 25/1/290/59, number 6.
[63] Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 17, Richard II (1988), No. 1326.
Douglas Richardson
Mar 27, 2017, 12:49:22 AM3/27/17
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Dear Newsgroup ~
In Part 2 of John Watson's post on the Trussell family, he has included an account of Sir Warin Trussell [died 1365], of Billesley, Warwickshire, Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Willaston, Cheshire, and Little Canfield and Paglesham, Essex, and his wife, Maud de Saint Philbert.
The marriage of Sir Warin Trussell and his wife Maud de Saint Philibert is certain. However, VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 439–445 states that Maud, wife of Sir Warin Trussell, was previously the wife of William Barentine, who was living in 1330. See the following weblink for that allegation:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/bucks/vol4/pp439-445
Maud Trussell was certainly holding Barentine property for life in 1371, presumably in dower. See National Archives, CP 25/1/289/53, #7058 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
However, Calendar of Close Rolls, 1385–1389 (1921): 260, 262 specifically states that Maud Trussell's former husband was named Gilbert Barentyn, not William Barentine. These Close Rolls items may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/260/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/262/mode/2up
Mr. Watson has indicated that Sir Warin Trussell and his wife, Maud, had one son, Lawrence Trussell. However, according to the published Visitation of Cheshire, Sir Warin and his wife, Maud, had five children in all, namely two sons, Lawrence and William, and three daughters, Maud, Frances, and Elizabeth. See the following weblink for this visitation pedigree:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Q_wUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226
Below is my file account of the three Trussell daughters, two of whom have modern descendants. I've successively labelled the daughters Maud #1, Frances #2, and Elizabeth #3 below.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Maud (Trussell) Hastang (#1 below):
Audrey Barlow, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Thomas Ligon, Anne Mauleverer, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas Owsley, Samuel & William Torrey, Amy Wyllys.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Elizabeth (Trussell) de Kyriel (#3 below):
William Bladen, Francis Dade, Gabriel, Roger & Sarah Ludlow, John Oxenbridge
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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1. MAUD TRUSSELL, married (1st) before 2 Feb. 1358/9 (baptism of their eldest child) JOHN HASTANG, of Chebsey, Staffordshire, Shenington, Oxfordshire, Budbrooke, Grandborough, and Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire, etc., son and heir of John Hastang (or de Hastang), Knt., of Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire, Shenington, Oxfordshire, Chebsey, Staffordshire, etc., by his wife, Blanche. They had two daughters, Maud (wife of Ralph Stafford, Esq.) and Joan (wife of John de Salisbury, Knt., and Rustin Villeneuve, Knt.). In 1365 he granted all the lands of Ashorne (in Newbold Pacey), Warwickshire formerly of John de Bromley to John de Blockeleye. In 1365–6 Ralph Earl of Stafford conveyed to him all his right in the manor of Chebsey, Staffordshire. JOHN HASTANG died 28 October 1365, 28 October 1366, or 1 October 1367. His widow, Maud, married (2nd) before 21 April 1367 (date of grant) WILLIAM DE HALUGHTON, in right of his wife, of Chebsey, Staffordshire. In 1367 he and his wife, Maud, granted a half virgate of land and two crofts in Hulcote to Thomas le Cartwritte at an annual rent of 7s. 10d. In 1369 he and his wife, Maud, conveyed 20 marks of rent in Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire and £40 of rent in Grafton and Upton Waryn, Worcestershire to Ralph de Stafford, Earl of Stafford. Maud died 20 July 1369. In 1372–3 the king sued an unidentified party for custody of the heirs of John Hastang.
References:
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1730): 316 (Hastang-Stafford ped.). Nash, Colls. for the Hist. of Worcestershire 1 (1781): 156–173. Ormerod, Hist. of Chester 3 (1819): 122 (Trussell ped.). Erdeswicke, Survey of Staffordshire (1820): 103–104. Nicolas, Synopsis of the Peerage of England 1 (1825): 307 (sub Hastang). Gage, Hist. & Antiqs. of Suffolk: Thingoe Hundred (1838): 41–45. Grazebrook, Heraldry of Worcestershire 1 (1873): 264 (Hastang arms: Azure, a chief gules, over all a lion rampant or); 2 (1873): 490. Glover et al., Vis. of Cheshire 1580, 1566, 1533 & 1591 (H.S.P. 18) (1882): 225–226 (Trussell ped.: “Maud [Trussell] vxrr John Hastang 28 E. 3.”). Boyd & Wrottesley, Final Concords (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 11) (1890): 186–187. Colls. Hist. Staffs. 11 (1890): 183–192. Birch, Cat. Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 73 (seal of John Hastang, Knt. dated 1354 — A shield of arms: a chief, over all a lion rampant [HASTANG]). Genealogist n.s. 18 (1902): 30. Ancestor 7 (1903): 216–243. Wrottesley, Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 361. C.C.R. 1389–1392 (1922): 124–125, 146–147 [Laurence Trussell, brother of Maud (Trussell) Hastang, served as mainpernor in 1390 for Ralph Stafford below, husband of Maud’s daughter, Maud Hastang]. C.P. 6 (1926): 343–344 (sub Hastang). VCH Warwick 3 (1945): 65–68; 5 (1949): 122–124; 6 (1951): 94–99, 151, 265–268. Cal. IPM 14 (1952): 35–57. VCH Oxford 9 (1969): 139–150. National Archives, C 44/6/20 (Parties: Rex v [....]. Subject: Custody of the heirs of John de Hastang who held the manors of Grafton near Bromsgrove & Upton Warren County: Worcestershire. Date: 46 Edward III [1376–7] (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.ukwww.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). National Archives, CP 25/1/288/48, #691 [see abstract of fine at http:// www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html]. Staffordshire & Stoke-on-Trent Archive Service: Staffordshire Rec. Office, Phillipps Collection, 3764/30 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.ukwww.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
2. FRANCES TRUSSELL, married (1st) ROBERT [DE] SALLE, Knt., of Oxnead, Norwich, and Sunderland (in South Walsham), Norfolk, and Calais, France, King’s knight, Warden of Marke Castle, 1373–78, Burgess (M.P.) for Norwich, 1378, Warden of Norwich Castle, son of Edmund de Salle. They had no issue. In 1363 he was granted ten marks yearly by the king. In 1361 he purchased from John Hauteyn the manor and advowson of Oxnead, Norfolk. In 1372 he was awarded a further pension of 40 marks a year for good service. The same year Wililiam de Latymer, lord of Danby, and another confirmed to Robert and his wife, Frances, the manors of Oxnead and Brom (in South Walsham), Norfolk, together with the advowson of Oxnead, Norfolk. SIR ROBERT DE SALLE was killed at Norwich, Norfolk 17 June 1381. He left a will dated 8 Sept. 1380, proved 3 July 1381. In 1381 Robert de Broom sued his widow, Frances, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Sunderland (in South Walsham), Norfolk. In 1381–2 his widow and executrix, Frances, sold a messuage, house, and garden called Godmanesplace in the parish of St. Michael, Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk. Frances married (2nd) before 16 Nov. 1382 WILLIAM CLOPTON, Knt., of Wickhambrook and Hawstead, Suffolk, son and heir of William Clopton, Knt., of Wickhambrook, Denardiston, Stradishall, Stansfield, etc., Suffolk, by his 1st wife, Anet, daughter of Thomas de Grey, Knt. They had no issue. In 1401 he granted his right in the manor of Oxnead, Norfolk to Dame Elizabeth Kiriel, and two others to the use of himself and Frances his wife for life. In 1414 he sold the manor of Hawstead, Suffolk to his cousin, William son of Sir Thomas Clopton, of Kentwell. SIR WILLIAM CLOPTON was living 12 Dec. 1416.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 478–479; 11 (1810): 138–143. Gage, Hist. & Antiqs. of Suffolk: Thingoe Hundred (1838): 420. Harvey, Vis. of Suffolk 1561 1 (1866): 130–134 (Clopton ped.). Parker, Hist. of Long Melford (1873): 54. Glover et al., Vis. of Cheshire 1580, 1566, 1533 & 1591 (H.S.P. 18) (1882): 225–226 (Trussell ped.: “ffrances [Trussell] vxor .... Sale.”). Norfolk Antiq. Miscellany 2nd Ser. Pt. 1 (1906): 1–32. C.C.R. 1385–1389 (1921): 262. Richmond, Paston Fam. in the Fifteenth Cent. (1990): 42–43. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/483, image 1046 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT6/R2/CP40no483/483_1046.htm). National Archives, E 40/3799 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Norfolk Rec. Office: Dr Schram’s Coll., MC 170/5, 634 x 3(a) (appointment dated 1 Sept. 1420 by John Hevenyngham knight, et al. as attorneys to deliver seisin to William Paston of Paston and Agnes his wife daughter of Edmund Berre knight and Alice his wife in the manor of Oxnead, the advowson of the church of the said manor, and lands in Oxnead, Skeyton, Brampton, Burgh, Tuttington, Marsham and Aylsham formerly of Frances who was wife of Robert Salle Knt. or William Trussell Knt. her nephew and heir) (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Norfolk Rec. Office: MSS of Sir Thomas Phillips rel. to Norfolk ,Phi/270 577 x 4; Phi/271 577 x 4; Phi/397 577 x 7 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
3. ELIZABETH TRUSSELL, married NICHOLAS DE KYRIEL (or CRIOL, CRIEL, KIRIEL, KYRYEL), Knt., of Westernhanger, Stockbury, and Walmer, Kent, son and heir of John Kyriel, Knt., of Westenhanger and Walmer, Kent, Keeper of the Isle of Thanet, by an unknown 1st wife. They had one son, William, Knt. [died 1412], and one daughter, Elizabeth (wife of William de Echingham, Knt.). He fought in France in 1379. SIR NICHOLAS DE KYRIEL died shortly before 6 Feb. 1380. He left a will dated 23 Sept. 1379. In 1401 William Clopton, Knt. granted his right in the manor of Oxnead, Norfolk to Dame Elizabeth Kiriel, and two others to the use of himself and Frances [née Trussell] his wife for life. His widow, Elizabeth, left a will dated 19 May 1419, proved 26 May 1419, requesting burial near the tomb of Maud Trussell her mother.
References: Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 103 (will of Nicholas Criell, Knt.), 198 (will of Lady Elizabeth Kerriel). Elvin, Hist. of Walmer & Walmer Castle (1894): 47–50. Cotton, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Church & Parish of St. Laurence, Thanet (1895): 174–175. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 160: 1–12 (sub Criol). Arch. Cantiana 105 (1989): 297.
In Part 2 of John Watson's post on the Trussell family, he has included an account of Sir Warin Trussell [died 1365], of Billesley, Warwickshire, Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Willaston, Cheshire, and Little Canfield and Paglesham, Essex, and his wife, Maud de Saint Philbert.
The marriage of Sir Warin Trussell and his wife Maud de Saint Philibert is certain. However, VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 439–445 states that Maud, wife of Sir Warin Trussell, was previously the wife of William Barentine, who was living in 1330. See the following weblink for that allegation:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/bucks/vol4/pp439-445
Maud Trussell was certainly holding Barentine property for life in 1371, presumably in dower. See National Archives, CP 25/1/289/53, #7058 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
However, Calendar of Close Rolls, 1385–1389 (1921): 260, 262 specifically states that Maud Trussell's former husband was named Gilbert Barentyn, not William Barentine. These Close Rolls items may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/260/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/262/mode/2up
Mr. Watson has indicated that Sir Warin Trussell and his wife, Maud, had one son, Lawrence Trussell. However, according to the published Visitation of Cheshire, Sir Warin and his wife, Maud, had five children in all, namely two sons, Lawrence and William, and three daughters, Maud, Frances, and Elizabeth. See the following weblink for this visitation pedigree:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Q_wUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA226&lpg=PA226
Below is my file account of the three Trussell daughters, two of whom have modern descendants. I've successively labelled the daughters Maud #1, Frances #2, and Elizabeth #3 below.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Maud (Trussell) Hastang (#1 below):
Audrey Barlow, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Thomas Ligon, Anne Mauleverer, Philip & Thomas Nelson, Thomas Owsley, Samuel & William Torrey, Amy Wyllys.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from Elizabeth (Trussell) de Kyriel (#3 below):
William Bladen, Francis Dade, Gabriel, Roger & Sarah Ludlow, John Oxenbridge
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
+ + + + + + + + + +
1. MAUD TRUSSELL, married (1st) before 2 Feb. 1358/9 (baptism of their eldest child) JOHN HASTANG, of Chebsey, Staffordshire, Shenington, Oxfordshire, Budbrooke, Grandborough, and Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire, etc., son and heir of John Hastang (or de Hastang), Knt., of Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire, Shenington, Oxfordshire, Chebsey, Staffordshire, etc., by his wife, Blanche. They had two daughters, Maud (wife of Ralph Stafford, Esq.) and Joan (wife of John de Salisbury, Knt., and Rustin Villeneuve, Knt.). In 1365 he granted all the lands of Ashorne (in Newbold Pacey), Warwickshire formerly of John de Bromley to John de Blockeleye. In 1365–6 Ralph Earl of Stafford conveyed to him all his right in the manor of Chebsey, Staffordshire. JOHN HASTANG died 28 October 1365, 28 October 1366, or 1 October 1367. His widow, Maud, married (2nd) before 21 April 1367 (date of grant) WILLIAM DE HALUGHTON, in right of his wife, of Chebsey, Staffordshire. In 1367 he and his wife, Maud, granted a half virgate of land and two crofts in Hulcote to Thomas le Cartwritte at an annual rent of 7s. 10d. In 1369 he and his wife, Maud, conveyed 20 marks of rent in Leamington Hastings, Warwickshire and £40 of rent in Grafton and Upton Waryn, Worcestershire to Ralph de Stafford, Earl of Stafford. Maud died 20 July 1369. In 1372–3 the king sued an unidentified party for custody of the heirs of John Hastang.
References:
Dugdale, Antiqs. of Warwickshire (1730): 316 (Hastang-Stafford ped.). Nash, Colls. for the Hist. of Worcestershire 1 (1781): 156–173. Ormerod, Hist. of Chester 3 (1819): 122 (Trussell ped.). Erdeswicke, Survey of Staffordshire (1820): 103–104. Nicolas, Synopsis of the Peerage of England 1 (1825): 307 (sub Hastang). Gage, Hist. & Antiqs. of Suffolk: Thingoe Hundred (1838): 41–45. Grazebrook, Heraldry of Worcestershire 1 (1873): 264 (Hastang arms: Azure, a chief gules, over all a lion rampant or); 2 (1873): 490. Glover et al., Vis. of Cheshire 1580, 1566, 1533 & 1591 (H.S.P. 18) (1882): 225–226 (Trussell ped.: “Maud [Trussell] vxrr John Hastang 28 E. 3.”). Boyd & Wrottesley, Final Concords (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 11) (1890): 186–187. Colls. Hist. Staffs. 11 (1890): 183–192. Birch, Cat. Seals in the British Museum 3 (1894): 73 (seal of John Hastang, Knt. dated 1354 — A shield of arms: a chief, over all a lion rampant [HASTANG]). Genealogist n.s. 18 (1902): 30. Ancestor 7 (1903): 216–243. Wrottesley, Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 361. C.C.R. 1389–1392 (1922): 124–125, 146–147 [Laurence Trussell, brother of Maud (Trussell) Hastang, served as mainpernor in 1390 for Ralph Stafford below, husband of Maud’s daughter, Maud Hastang]. C.P. 6 (1926): 343–344 (sub Hastang). VCH Warwick 3 (1945): 65–68; 5 (1949): 122–124; 6 (1951): 94–99, 151, 265–268. Cal. IPM 14 (1952): 35–57. VCH Oxford 9 (1969): 139–150. National Archives, C 44/6/20 (Parties: Rex v [....]. Subject: Custody of the heirs of John de Hastang who held the manors of Grafton near Bromsgrove & Upton Warren County: Worcestershire. Date: 46 Edward III [1376–7] (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.ukwww.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). National Archives, CP 25/1/288/48, #691 [see abstract of fine at http:// www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html]. Staffordshire & Stoke-on-Trent Archive Service: Staffordshire Rec. Office, Phillipps Collection, 3764/30 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.ukwww.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
2. FRANCES TRUSSELL, married (1st) ROBERT [DE] SALLE, Knt., of Oxnead, Norwich, and Sunderland (in South Walsham), Norfolk, and Calais, France, King’s knight, Warden of Marke Castle, 1373–78, Burgess (M.P.) for Norwich, 1378, Warden of Norwich Castle, son of Edmund de Salle. They had no issue. In 1363 he was granted ten marks yearly by the king. In 1361 he purchased from John Hauteyn the manor and advowson of Oxnead, Norfolk. In 1372 he was awarded a further pension of 40 marks a year for good service. The same year Wililiam de Latymer, lord of Danby, and another confirmed to Robert and his wife, Frances, the manors of Oxnead and Brom (in South Walsham), Norfolk, together with the advowson of Oxnead, Norfolk. SIR ROBERT DE SALLE was killed at Norwich, Norfolk 17 June 1381. He left a will dated 8 Sept. 1380, proved 3 July 1381. In 1381 Robert de Broom sued his widow, Frances, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding the manor of Sunderland (in South Walsham), Norfolk. In 1381–2 his widow and executrix, Frances, sold a messuage, house, and garden called Godmanesplace in the parish of St. Michael, Coslany, Norwich, Norfolk. Frances married (2nd) before 16 Nov. 1382 WILLIAM CLOPTON, Knt., of Wickhambrook and Hawstead, Suffolk, son and heir of William Clopton, Knt., of Wickhambrook, Denardiston, Stradishall, Stansfield, etc., Suffolk, by his 1st wife, Anet, daughter of Thomas de Grey, Knt. They had no issue. In 1401 he granted his right in the manor of Oxnead, Norfolk to Dame Elizabeth Kiriel, and two others to the use of himself and Frances his wife for life. In 1414 he sold the manor of Hawstead, Suffolk to his cousin, William son of Sir Thomas Clopton, of Kentwell. SIR WILLIAM CLOPTON was living 12 Dec. 1416.
References:
Blomefield, Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 6 (1807): 478–479; 11 (1810): 138–143. Gage, Hist. & Antiqs. of Suffolk: Thingoe Hundred (1838): 420. Harvey, Vis. of Suffolk 1561 1 (1866): 130–134 (Clopton ped.). Parker, Hist. of Long Melford (1873): 54. Glover et al., Vis. of Cheshire 1580, 1566, 1533 & 1591 (H.S.P. 18) (1882): 225–226 (Trussell ped.: “ffrances [Trussell] vxor .... Sale.”). Norfolk Antiq. Miscellany 2nd Ser. Pt. 1 (1906): 1–32. C.C.R. 1385–1389 (1921): 262. Richmond, Paston Fam. in the Fifteenth Cent. (1990): 42–43. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/483, image 1046 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT6/R2/CP40no483/483_1046.htm). National Archives, E 40/3799 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Norfolk Rec. Office: Dr Schram’s Coll., MC 170/5, 634 x 3(a) (appointment dated 1 Sept. 1420 by John Hevenyngham knight, et al. as attorneys to deliver seisin to William Paston of Paston and Agnes his wife daughter of Edmund Berre knight and Alice his wife in the manor of Oxnead, the advowson of the church of the said manor, and lands in Oxnead, Skeyton, Brampton, Burgh, Tuttington, Marsham and Aylsham formerly of Frances who was wife of Robert Salle Knt. or William Trussell Knt. her nephew and heir) (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Norfolk Rec. Office: MSS of Sir Thomas Phillips rel. to Norfolk ,Phi/270 577 x 4; Phi/271 577 x 4; Phi/397 577 x 7 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).
3. ELIZABETH TRUSSELL, married NICHOLAS DE KYRIEL (or CRIOL, CRIEL, KIRIEL, KYRYEL), Knt., of Westernhanger, Stockbury, and Walmer, Kent, son and heir of John Kyriel, Knt., of Westenhanger and Walmer, Kent, Keeper of the Isle of Thanet, by an unknown 1st wife. They had one son, William, Knt. [died 1412], and one daughter, Elizabeth (wife of William de Echingham, Knt.). He fought in France in 1379. SIR NICHOLAS DE KYRIEL died shortly before 6 Feb. 1380. He left a will dated 23 Sept. 1379. In 1401 William Clopton, Knt. granted his right in the manor of Oxnead, Norfolk to Dame Elizabeth Kiriel, and two others to the use of himself and Frances [née Trussell] his wife for life. His widow, Elizabeth, left a will dated 19 May 1419, proved 26 May 1419, requesting burial near the tomb of Maud Trussell her mother.
References: Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 103 (will of Nicholas Criell, Knt.), 198 (will of Lady Elizabeth Kerriel). Elvin, Hist. of Walmer & Walmer Castle (1894): 47–50. Cotton, Hist. & Antiqs. of the Church & Parish of St. Laurence, Thanet (1895): 174–175. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 160: 1–12 (sub Criol). Arch. Cantiana 105 (1989): 297.
John Watson
Mar 27, 2017, 2:51:45 AM3/27/17
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Thank you for the information on Warin Trussell and his wife Maud, which I had already noted from your previous posts here and from your books.
My account of the Trussells is basically an outline of the main branches of the family (there were others). The aim was to help those researching the family by untangling the various William Trussells who have become hopelessly confused in secondary works, both old and new. This means that daughters have generally not been included and for the most part I have ignored visitation pedigrees which for this family are not reliable.
Regards,
John
taf
Mar 27, 2017, 9:48:27 AM3/27/17
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On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 11:51:45 PM UTC-7, John Watson wrote:
> My account of the Trussells is basically an outline of the main branches
> of the family (there were others). The aim was to help those researching
> the family by untangling the various William Trussells who have become
> hopelessly confused in secondary works, both old and new. This means that
> daughters have generally not been included and for the most part I have
> ignored visitation pedigrees which for this family are not reliable.
I didn't see it cited, so I will ask - have you looked at Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls? It has numerous mentions of the family, although I am not sure that it provides anything you don't already have worked out.
> My account of the Trussells is basically an outline of the main branches
> of the family (there were others). The aim was to help those researching
> the family by untangling the various William Trussells who have become
> hopelessly confused in secondary works, both old and new. This means that
> daughters have generally not been included and for the most part I have
> ignored visitation pedigrees which for this family are not reliable.
taf
mk
Mar 27, 2017, 1:37:37 PM3/27/17
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On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 4:43 AM, John Watson <watso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> He married, before August 1337, Roese daughter of Hugh de Venables. [22]
> He left a will dated 21 February 1379, in which he mentions his brother
> Warin and Elizabeth his heir. [23] He died shortly before 23 February 1380.
> [24] His only daughter Katherine had predeceased him, leaving a daughter
> Elizabeth, whom the king married to Baldwin de Freville. Elizabeth died
> childless about 1383, when her heir was Margaret Trussell, wife of Sir Fulk
> Pembrugge.
>
fyi, Margaret's ipm. Could she have been a daughter of Sir William +1380 by
>
>
> He married, before August 1337, Roese daughter of Hugh de Venables. [22]
> He left a will dated 21 February 1379, in which he mentions his brother
> Warin and Elizabeth his heir. [23] He died shortly before 23 February 1380.
> [24] His only daughter Katherine had predeceased him, leaving a daughter
> Elizabeth, whom the king married to Baldwin de Freville. Elizabeth died
> childless about 1383, when her heir was Margaret Trussell, wife of Sir Fulk
> Pembrugge.
>
a different wife? Ipm says her father is brother to Warin father of
Lawrence.
*MARGARET WIFE OF FULK DE PENBRUGGE, KNIGHT*
*39*
Writ 8 Nov. 1399.
BERKSHIRE. Inquisition. Maidenhead 10 Feb 1400
When she died on 10 June 1399 she held: Shottesbrook, the manor with the
advowson of the college there in her demesne as of fee, of the king of the
castle of Windsor by the rent of a pair of gilt spurs, or 3s.4d., at
Michaelmas, annual value 8 marks. Cookham, 50 a. in ‘Benetfeld’ called ‘le
Hethynnynges’, of the king of the manor, which is ancient demesne of the
crown, quit of all rent, annual value 20s. Waltham St. Lawrence, 1 messuage
and 2 virgates, of the bishop of Winchester of the manor of Wargrave, by a
rent of 18s.5d. and suit of court at Wargrave every 3 weeks, annual value
6s.8d. William, son of Lawrence Trussell, aged 14 years, is her kinsman and
next heir, being the son of Lawrence, son of Warin, brother of William
Trussell, father of Margaret. Fulk de Penbrugge has held the lands since
the day of her death and received the profits.
C 137/3, no. 15
http://www.history.ac.uk/cipm-18-part-i
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mk
Mar 27, 2017, 1:44:20 PM3/27/17
to John Watson, GenMedieval
Re Margaret, never mind; plugging on I see I have two Warins confused.
Really great research :) am tearing apart my tree and rebuilding it.
Really great research :) am tearing apart my tree and rebuilding it.
Douglas Richardson
Mar 27, 2017, 5:19:42 PM3/27/17
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Dear Newsgroup ~
In my previous post, I noted that VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 439–445 stated that Maud de Saint Philibert, wife of Sir Warin Trussell, was previously the wife of William Barentine, who was living in 1330. See the following weblink for that allegation:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/bucks/vol4/pp439-445
I noted that Maud Trussell was holding Barentine property for life in 1371, presumably in dower. See National Archives, CP 25/1/289/53, #7058 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
However, Calendar of Close Rolls, 1385–1389 (1921): 260, 262 specifically states that Maud Trussell's former husband was named Gilbert Barentyn, not William Barentine. These Close Rolls items may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/260/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/262/mode/2up
I puzzled over why VCH Buckingham identified Maud de Saint Philibert's first husband as William Barentine, when the Close Rolls record stated his name was Gilbert Barentyn. However, reading the VCH Buckingham text again, I noted that VCH Buckingham states that following the death of Maud Trussell, a certain John Pykenham gave a life interest in the manor of Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire to William Trussel. The following source is cited:
Coram Rege R. Mich. 18 Ric. II, m. 40.
The above citation is for a lengthy lawsuit in the Court of King's Bench dated Michaelmas term 1386. Below is a reference to the lawsuit in the online AALT website:
Court of King’s Bench, KB27/534, image 92f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/R2/KB27no534/aKB27no534fronts/IMG_0092.htm).
In the lawsuit, reference is made to property that Maud Trussell previously held for the term of her life (which is typical for a widow's dower). On image 97f, the lawsuit further discusses Maud Trussell. The following statement is made there:
"pr'fati Willi Barentyne quondam viri ipsius Matill"
which may be translated as follows:
"The aforementioned William Barentyne former husband of the said Maud."
The lawsuit goes onto state that Philip Barentyne was the brother and heir of William Barentyne, which statement indicates that the William and his wife, Maud, then had no surviving issue.
If we are to trust the lawsuit (and I do), the name of Maud de Saint Philibert's first husband was William Barentyne.
Below is the abstract of a fine dated 1330 which involves William de Barentyn and his wife Maud. The fine concerns the settlement property in Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, which property was evidently the concern of the later 1394 lawsuit cited above.
Source: Chris Phillips' website at the following weblink:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_19_78.shtml#8
CP 25/1/19/78, number 8.
Link: Image of document at AALT
County: Buckinghamshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: One week from St Michael, 4 Edward III [6 October 1330].
Parties: William de Barentyn and Maud, his wife, querents, by John de Oxeney, guardian of Maud, and Hugh, the parson of the church of Elyngham, and Ralph, the parson of the church of Chikenhale, deforciants.
Property: 12 messuages, 58 acres, 3 roods and 9 and a half virgates of land, 5 acres of meadow, 3 acres and 1 rood of wood and 6 pounds, 5 shillings, 4 pence and 1 farthing of rent in Rauenston'.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: William has acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Hugh, as those which Hugh and Ralph have of his gift.
For this: Hugh and Ralph have granted to William and Maud the tenements and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to William and Maud and the heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, remainder to the right heirs of William. END OF ABSTRACT.
We see above that William de Barentyn and his wife, Maud de Saint Philibert, were married by 6 October 1330. The marriage was evidently brief and childless.
I say it was brief as we know from other records that Elizabeth Trussell, daughter of Maud de Saint Philibert's 2nd marriage, had a son, William de Criol, born about 1350 (aged 30 in 1380). If that is correct, then Maud de Saint Philibert must have been widowed soon after 1330, remarried almost immediately, and had Elizabeth Trussell, which Elizabeth Trussell was herself a mother by 1350.
This is tight chronology but it does work. Maud de Saint Philibert's father, John de Saint Philibert, was born about 1293. As such, it is entirely possible for his daughter, Maud, to have been married (1st) to William de Barentine by 1330, and for her to have been a mother in the early 1330's.
There are still tight chronological considerations, however, on the far end of the pedigree. Maud de Saint Philibert's daughter, Elizabeth Trussell, had a daughter Elizabeth who married Sir William de Echingham. Their grandson and heir, Thomas Echingham, was born about 1401. Assuming Elizabeth Trussell was born right after 1330, that leaves about 70 years for three generations to get to Thomas Echingham, born about 1401. I usually figure on 85 years for three generations, give or take 10 years. Seventy years is tight but still possible. Comments would be appreciated.
In summary, we see that Maud de Saint Philibert married (1st) before 6 October 1330 (date of fine) William de Barentine, of Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Great Easton, Harsted (in Birdbrook), and Little Canfield, Essex, etc. They had no children. Maud married (2nd) before 1341 (if not much earlier) Warin Trussell, Knt. They had five children. Maud was living 10 October 1386 (see Close Rolls cited earlier), and died before Michaelmas 1394 (date of lawsuit cited above). She was buried at the church of the Minoresses in London (see the will of her daughter, Lady Elizabeth de Criol).
Finally, I should note that my research indicates that William de Barentine, 1st husband of Maud de Saint Philibert, was one of the eventual co-heirs of William de Blanchminster [died 1260], of Whitchurch, Shropshire, Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Great Easton, Harsted (in Birdbrook), and Little Canfield, Essex, Middleton, Suffolk, etc., by his wife, Eve Fitz Warin, widow of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales.
In my previous post, I noted that VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 439–445 stated that Maud de Saint Philibert, wife of Sir Warin Trussell, was previously the wife of William Barentine, who was living in 1330. See the following weblink for that allegation:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/bucks/vol4/pp439-445
I noted that Maud Trussell was holding Barentine property for life in 1371, presumably in dower. See National Archives, CP 25/1/289/53, #7058 [see abstract of fine at http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/index.html].
However, Calendar of Close Rolls, 1385–1389 (1921): 260, 262 specifically states that Maud Trussell's former husband was named Gilbert Barentyn, not William Barentine. These Close Rolls items may be viewed at the following weblink:
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/260/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofclo03grea#page/262/mode/2up
Coram Rege R. Mich. 18 Ric. II, m. 40.
The above citation is for a lengthy lawsuit in the Court of King's Bench dated Michaelmas term 1386. Below is a reference to the lawsuit in the online AALT website:
Court of King’s Bench, KB27/534, image 92f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/R2/KB27no534/aKB27no534fronts/IMG_0092.htm).
In the lawsuit, reference is made to property that Maud Trussell previously held for the term of her life (which is typical for a widow's dower). On image 97f, the lawsuit further discusses Maud Trussell. The following statement is made there:
"pr'fati Willi Barentyne quondam viri ipsius Matill"
which may be translated as follows:
"The aforementioned William Barentyne former husband of the said Maud."
The lawsuit goes onto state that Philip Barentyne was the brother and heir of William Barentyne, which statement indicates that the William and his wife, Maud, then had no surviving issue.
If we are to trust the lawsuit (and I do), the name of Maud de Saint Philibert's first husband was William Barentyne.
Below is the abstract of a fine dated 1330 which involves William de Barentyn and his wife Maud. The fine concerns the settlement property in Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, which property was evidently the concern of the later 1394 lawsuit cited above.
Source: Chris Phillips' website at the following weblink:
http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_19_78.shtml#8
CP 25/1/19/78, number 8.
Link: Image of document at AALT
County: Buckinghamshire.
Place: Westminster.
Date: One week from St Michael, 4 Edward III [6 October 1330].
Parties: William de Barentyn and Maud, his wife, querents, by John de Oxeney, guardian of Maud, and Hugh, the parson of the church of Elyngham, and Ralph, the parson of the church of Chikenhale, deforciants.
Property: 12 messuages, 58 acres, 3 roods and 9 and a half virgates of land, 5 acres of meadow, 3 acres and 1 rood of wood and 6 pounds, 5 shillings, 4 pence and 1 farthing of rent in Rauenston'.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: William has acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Hugh, as those which Hugh and Ralph have of his gift.
For this: Hugh and Ralph have granted to William and Maud the tenements and have rendered them to them in the court, to hold to William and Maud and the heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, remainder to the right heirs of William. END OF ABSTRACT.
We see above that William de Barentyn and his wife, Maud de Saint Philibert, were married by 6 October 1330. The marriage was evidently brief and childless.
I say it was brief as we know from other records that Elizabeth Trussell, daughter of Maud de Saint Philibert's 2nd marriage, had a son, William de Criol, born about 1350 (aged 30 in 1380). If that is correct, then Maud de Saint Philibert must have been widowed soon after 1330, remarried almost immediately, and had Elizabeth Trussell, which Elizabeth Trussell was herself a mother by 1350.
This is tight chronology but it does work. Maud de Saint Philibert's father, John de Saint Philibert, was born about 1293. As such, it is entirely possible for his daughter, Maud, to have been married (1st) to William de Barentine by 1330, and for her to have been a mother in the early 1330's.
There are still tight chronological considerations, however, on the far end of the pedigree. Maud de Saint Philibert's daughter, Elizabeth Trussell, had a daughter Elizabeth who married Sir William de Echingham. Their grandson and heir, Thomas Echingham, was born about 1401. Assuming Elizabeth Trussell was born right after 1330, that leaves about 70 years for three generations to get to Thomas Echingham, born about 1401. I usually figure on 85 years for three generations, give or take 10 years. Seventy years is tight but still possible. Comments would be appreciated.
In summary, we see that Maud de Saint Philibert married (1st) before 6 October 1330 (date of fine) William de Barentine, of Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Great Easton, Harsted (in Birdbrook), and Little Canfield, Essex, etc. They had no children. Maud married (2nd) before 1341 (if not much earlier) Warin Trussell, Knt. They had five children. Maud was living 10 October 1386 (see Close Rolls cited earlier), and died before Michaelmas 1394 (date of lawsuit cited above). She was buried at the church of the Minoresses in London (see the will of her daughter, Lady Elizabeth de Criol).
Finally, I should note that my research indicates that William de Barentine, 1st husband of Maud de Saint Philibert, was one of the eventual co-heirs of William de Blanchminster [died 1260], of Whitchurch, Shropshire, Ravenstone, Buckinghamshire, Great Easton, Harsted (in Birdbrook), and Little Canfield, Essex, Middleton, Suffolk, etc., by his wife, Eve Fitz Warin, widow of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of North Wales.
John Watson
Mar 28, 2017, 4:10:48 AM3/28/17
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The only small fly in the ointment is that William de Barentine was still living in June 1333.
16 May 1329, To John de Roches, keeper of the islands of Gereseye, Gernereye, Serk, and Aureneye, or to him who supplies his place. William de Barentyn has come to the king, and has asserted that he is the nephew (nepotem) and next heir of Drogo de Barentyn, and that he is of full age, and he has prayed the king to cause Drogo's lands in the islands to be delivered to him as next heir; the king therefore orders the keeper to take information concerning the premises according to the law and custom of the islands, and to take William's fealty, and to cause to be done for him what he shall see fit according to the law and custom of the islands.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1896), 462.
26 July 1329, William de Barentyn, nephew (nepos) and heir of Drogo de Barentyn, acknowledges that he owes to John de Sancto Philberto, knight, £600; to be levied, in default of payment, of his lands and chattels in co. Essex.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 1: 1327-1330 (1896), 562.
26 June 1331, To the keeper of the islands of Jereseye, Gernereye, Serk, and Aureneye, or to him who supplies his place. Order not to distrain William de Barentyn for his homage and fealty for the lands that he holds of the king in those islands, as he has done his homage and fealty to the king.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1333 1898), 247.
6 December 1332, John de Sancto Phileberto, staying in Gascony on the king's service, has letters nominating William de Teye and John de Illeye his attorneys in England for one year. Protection with clause volumus for the same time for the said John. Renewed because sealed by K. The like, for Thomas atte Elde Halle of Little Reynes staying with him. Renewed by C. because sealed at another time. The like for the following:— William Jurdan of Bray, the younger. William de Barentyn.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 375.
20 June 1333, William de Barentino staying in England has letters nominating John Herman and William le Rous his attorneys in the islands of Jereseye, Gernereye, Serk and Aureneye, for two years.
Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward III, vol. 2: 1330-1334 (1893), 454.
Regards,
John
Douglas Richardson
Mar 29, 2017, 12:30:35 AM3/29/17
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On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 2:10:48 AM UTC-6, John Watson wrote:
< The only small fly in the ointment is that William de Barentine was still
< living in June 1333.
Dear John ~
< The only small fly in the ointment is that William de Barentine was still
< living in June 1333.
Thanks for sharing these valuable records concerning William de Barentine. It's very much appreciated. This is clearly the same individual who married Maud de Saint Philibert as her 1st husband.
The Trussell-Criol-Echingham chronology is certainly tight but still not impossible. Assuming that William de Barentine died in 1333, and if Maud de Saint Philibert remarried quickly, then Maud's daughter Elizabeth Trussell could have been born as early as say 1335. That would allow 66 years between her and her great-grandson, Thomas Echingham, or 22 years per generations. 22 years is shorter than normal but not unknown. I usually prefer to see something in the range between 75 and 95 years for three generations. But 66 years for three generations is possible.
The short generations actually makes sense as we know that Elizabeth (Trussell) de Criol's son, William de Criol, was born about 1350. For him to have been born about 1350, his mother would have been born no later than 1335. That's assuming, of course, that Elizabeth Trussell is William de Criol's mother.
The c.1350 birth date for William de Criol gives us one solid indication that Maud de Saint Philibert married Warin Trussell before 1335, if we accept William was Maud and Warin's grandson. I know for a fact that Warin Trussell was an adult by 1337. So a marriage for Warin Trussell c.1334 would be just fine.
Now we just need better tie points for the chronology of the Echingham family to make this all work.
Hans Vogels
Mar 29, 2017, 2:05:43 AM3/29/17
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Op woensdag 29 maart 2017 06:30:35 UTC+2 schreef Douglas Richardson:
Jutta van Borselen, x okt. 1271 Hendrik van der Leck;
Agnes van der Leck (geb.ca.1272), x ca.1287 Arnold van der Sluis;
Jutta van der Sluis (geb.ca.1288), x ca.1302/03 Wouter van Keppel;
Beatrix van Keppel (geb.1303/04), x ca.1318/19 Roderik van Voorst.
Or if you look to the higher nobility with a female generation span of 20 years:
Duke Hendrik I van Brabant married in 1213 met Maria van Frankrijk;
His eldest daughter Elisabeth married in 1233 met Dirk van Kleef-Dinslaken; Her eldest daughter Mechtild married 1253 met Gerard van Luxemburg-Durbuy; Their daughter Irmgard married in 1272 met Gerard van Blankenheim.
Hans Vogels
[snip]
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 2:10:48 AM UTC-6, John Watson wrote:
>
> < The only small fly in the ointment is that William de Barentine was still
> < living in June 1333.
>
> Dear John ~
[snip]
>
> < The only small fly in the ointment is that William de Barentine was still
> < living in June 1333.
>
> Dear John ~
>
> The Trussell-Criol-Echingham chronology is certainly tight but still not impossible. Assuming that William de Barentine died in 1333, and if Maud de Saint Philibert remarried quickly, then Maud's daughter Elizabeth Trussell could have been born as early as say 1335. That would allow 66 years between her and her great-grandson, Thomas Echingham, or 22 years per generations. 22 years is shorter than normal but not unknown. I usually prefer to see something in the range between 75 and 95 years for three generations. But 66 years for three generations is possible.
Less is also possible. See this Dutch example of three female generations of about 15 years in a time period of 48 years.
> The Trussell-Criol-Echingham chronology is certainly tight but still not impossible. Assuming that William de Barentine died in 1333, and if Maud de Saint Philibert remarried quickly, then Maud's daughter Elizabeth Trussell could have been born as early as say 1335. That would allow 66 years between her and her great-grandson, Thomas Echingham, or 22 years per generations. 22 years is shorter than normal but not unknown. I usually prefer to see something in the range between 75 and 95 years for three generations. But 66 years for three generations is possible.
Jutta van Borselen, x okt. 1271 Hendrik van der Leck;
Agnes van der Leck (geb.ca.1272), x ca.1287 Arnold van der Sluis;
Jutta van der Sluis (geb.ca.1288), x ca.1302/03 Wouter van Keppel;
Beatrix van Keppel (geb.1303/04), x ca.1318/19 Roderik van Voorst.
Or if you look to the higher nobility with a female generation span of 20 years:
Duke Hendrik I van Brabant married in 1213 met Maria van Frankrijk;
His eldest daughter Elisabeth married in 1233 met Dirk van Kleef-Dinslaken; Her eldest daughter Mechtild married 1253 met Gerard van Luxemburg-Durbuy; Their daughter Irmgard married in 1272 met Gerard van Blankenheim.
Hans Vogels
[snip]
Douglas Richardson
Mar 29, 2017, 2:30:52 AM3/29/17
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Dear Newsgroup ~
Given that we know that William de Barentine had property in the Channel Islands, it appears the following Close Rolls record pertains to him. It mentions several members of the Barentine family who held lands on the Isle of Jersey prior to 1367, namely Gilbert Barentyn, William Barentyn, John Barentyn, and Philip Barentyn.
Source: Cal. of Close Rolls, 1364–1368 (1910): 397–398.
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofcloser12grea#page/396/mode/2up
I also came across a reference to the following article on the Barentin family in Jersey:
J. A. Masservy, "Ancienne Généalogie des families de Barentin &c.", Soc. Jersiaise 5 (27e Bulletin Annual) (1905): 81-86.
The above article may be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=GQpBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA81
On page 86, the author states that "Guillaume [de Barentine] est appelé dans l'Extente de Jersey petit-fils et héritier of Douet de Barentine Chevalier." This can be translated as following: "William [de Barentine] is called in the Extent of Jersey [in 1331] grandson and heir of Douet [i.e., Drew] de Barentine, knight." I assume the word for grandson is actually taken from the Latin word nepos in the original record, which in this time period can mean either nephew or grandson.
The article indicates that a certain Dreux de Barentine sued John de Furneto regarding the manor of Rosel in Jersey in 1316. In 1367 the manor was sold by Philip de Barentine, presumably he is the same person mentioned in the 1394 English lawsuit I found as William de Barentine's brother and heir.
A pedigree is included of the Barentine family in this article. The pedigree appears to be rather garbled, as William is made to be the father of Philip, rather than his brother. William is shown as the son of Jordan de Barentine, which Jordan was the brother of Drew de Barentine, Knt. This could be correct.
Given that we know that William de Barentine had property in the Channel Islands, it appears the following Close Rolls record pertains to him. It mentions several members of the Barentine family who held lands on the Isle of Jersey prior to 1367, namely Gilbert Barentyn, William Barentyn, John Barentyn, and Philip Barentyn.
Source: Cal. of Close Rolls, 1364–1368 (1910): 397–398.
http://www.archive.org/stream/calendarofcloser12grea#page/396/mode/2up
I also came across a reference to the following article on the Barentin family in Jersey:
J. A. Masservy, "Ancienne Généalogie des families de Barentin &c.", Soc. Jersiaise 5 (27e Bulletin Annual) (1905): 81-86.
The above article may be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=GQpBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA81
On page 86, the author states that "Guillaume [de Barentine] est appelé dans l'Extente de Jersey petit-fils et héritier of Douet de Barentine Chevalier." This can be translated as following: "William [de Barentine] is called in the Extent of Jersey [in 1331] grandson and heir of Douet [i.e., Drew] de Barentine, knight." I assume the word for grandson is actually taken from the Latin word nepos in the original record, which in this time period can mean either nephew or grandson.
The article indicates that a certain Dreux de Barentine sued John de Furneto regarding the manor of Rosel in Jersey in 1316. In 1367 the manor was sold by Philip de Barentine, presumably he is the same person mentioned in the 1394 English lawsuit I found as William de Barentine's brother and heir.
A pedigree is included of the Barentine family in this article. The pedigree appears to be rather garbled, as William is made to be the father of Philip, rather than his brother. William is shown as the son of Jordan de Barentine, which Jordan was the brother of Drew de Barentine, Knt. This could be correct.
John Watson
Mar 29, 2017, 2:38:01 AM3/29/17
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I am not sure if we are looking at the same William Criol, but William son of Nicholas de Criol and Elizabeth his wife was born in 1379. According to his father's inquisition post mortem, taken on 6 February 1380, he was aged 30 weeks [not years].
Ref: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 15, Richard II (1970), No. 245.
Regards,
John
Douglas Richardson
Mar 29, 2017, 4:46:41 PM3/29/17
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On Wednesday, March 29, 2017 at 12:38:01 AM UTC-6, John Watson wrote:
< Dear Douglas,
<
< I am not sure if we are looking at the same William Criol, but William son of < Nicholas de Criol and Elizabeth his wife was born in 1379. According to his
< father's inquisition post mortem, taken on 6 February 1380, he was aged 30 ,
< Dear Douglas,
<
< I am not sure if we are looking at the same William Criol, but William son of < Nicholas de Criol and Elizabeth his wife was born in 1379. According to his
< weeks [not years].
< Ref: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 15, Richard II (1970), No.
< 245.
< Regards,
< John
Yes, you have the right William de Criol. The published source I found stated that William was aged 30 at his father's death in 1380. Aged 30 weeks is much better. Thank you for posting this record. Much appreciated.
< Ref: Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 15, Richard II (1970), No.
< 245.
< Regards,
< John
The evidence is clear that Sir Nicholas de Criol married Elizabeth Trussell, daughter of Sir Warin Trussell and Maud de Saint Philibert. Now that we know Elizabeth Trussell was a mother in 1379, not 1350, that removes one big chronological problem. Basically, it removes the need for Warin Trussell and Maud de Saint Philibert to have been married by 1335.
It also corrects another related genealogical issue in the Echingham family. Elizabeth, wife of Sir William de Echingham [died 1388], was certainly a Criol. She was a legatee in Sir Nicholas de Criol's will and her husband was named one of his executors. Likewise her Criol arms are impaled with the Echingham arms at the tomb of her son, Sir William Echingham [died 1412].
It has been assumed that Elizabeth, wife of Sir William de Echingham [died 1388], was Sir Nicholas de Criol's daughter. But given that Sir William de Echingham [died 1388] was the same approximate age as Sir Nicholas de Criol, it seems a much better arrangement for Elizabeth to be Sir Nicholas de Criol's sister. Assuming Elizabeth de Criol was born about 1345, it would make her 56 at the birth of her grandson, Thomas Echingham, in 1401. This is a much, much better chronology.
In short, Elizabeth de Criol loses the Trussell connection. But she still retains some royal ancestry through her extended Criol and Pecche ancestry.
Nicolas, Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 103 includes an abstract of the will of Nicholas Criell, Knt. It may be viewed at the following weblink:
https://books.google.com/books?id=9whaAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA103
I've already noted that Sir Nicholas de Criol named Sir William de Echingham as one of his executors. Another of his executors was Thomas Brokhull [Brockhill].
As I understand it, Sir Nicholas de Criol had a sister, Ida (or Edith) de Criol, who married Sir John Brockhull [see Roberts, Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants (2004): 569]. If Roskell can be trust, it appears that Thomas Brockhull [Brockhill] was Sir John Brockhull's brother.
John Watson
Mar 30, 2017, 3:46:14 AM3/30/17
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On a related note, I have found that abstracts in English of the wills of several members of the Criol / Keriel family can be found online at the Kent Archaeology website. For example, the will of Sir Nicholas Criol, 1379:-
NICHOLAS CRYEL, son of John Cryel Knight Sunday next before the feast of St. Michael 1379. (No burial request). I leave to Elizabeth de Ecchyngham 20 marcs. To the Monastry of Langedon to the amending of the church £20. To each monastery of Friars in Canterbury, Heylisford, Sandwich and London to celebrate a trental of St. Gregory 5 marcs. To be distributed among the poor dwelling in the parishes of Ostynghangre, Walmer, Monyham, Stokebury, Eynesford and Pesemerssch each parish 40s. Summa £12.
I leave to Elizabeth my wife half all my goods. I leave to celebrate for the soul of a man I slew at Swyneffeld 10 marcs. I leave to John Page 40s., Thomas Northiham 40s. I ordain executors William Ecchyngham Knight, Robert of Ecchyngham, Thomas de Brokhull and William de Eton. I leave to William de Ecchyngham if he will administer my goods £10. To the others 10 marcs.
Proved 8 February 1379 by William de Eton with reserved power for the others. (102a Sudbury).
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Lbth/Bk24/page%20446.htm
Sir John Criol, 1377: -
JOHN KIRIEL son of Nicholas Kiriel sometime Knight, Canterbury Diocese. Monday next after the Feast of St. Andrew the Apostle 1376. To be buried where God shall dispose. I leave for the expenses of my funeral 100 marcs. To be distributed amongst poor folk on the day of my funeral 100 marcs. For a chaplain to celebrate Masses and divine service for my soul and my father and mother and ancestors in the churches of Walmere and Ostrinhanger 100 marcs. For trentals to be celebrated 100 marcs. For distribution in vestures to poor people in the year of my burial 15 marcs and the poor serving in my manors to have the said vestures first, then the rest. I leave to be distributed to the poor at the Feast of the Assumption of B. Mary the Virgin at Ostringhanger the same year as my burial 40s. and at the Feast of the Nat: of St. John Baptist at Ostringhanger 40s. To be distributed to the poor at Walmere that year at the Feast of St. Katherine the Virgin 40s., at Eynesford at the Feast of B. Mary Magdalene 40s., at Stockbury at the Feast of St. John Apostle and Evangelist 40s. I leave to be distributed to the poor each Wednesday in the year of my burial 10s. whence the sum per ann. £26. I leave to the House of the Religious of Langedone £10, of St. Radegunde 100s., of Hortone 100s. Friars Minors at Canterbury 5 mrcs. Friars Preachers there 5 mrcs, Augustine Friars 4 mrcs. Friars Carmelite of Sandwich 40s. I leave to the work (operi) of the church of Ostringhangre 40s., of Walmere 40s., of Stockebury 40s., and of Eynesforde 40s, Northbourne 10s., Monyngham 10s., Dele 10s., Scholdone 10s., Ripple 10s., and the works (operi) of the church of Richelyngwode 10s., of Lymen 10s., of Sellyng next Smethe 10s., of Stanford 10s. I leave to Roger Eybrightone 10 mrcs. To each woman "in statu gentile" serving me 40s. To each "ex famuliaribus meis de statu vallet in hospicio meo deservientibus 20s." To each page (garcioni) 6s. 8d.
I make executors Letice my wife, Sir Stephen Valence, Sir Peter prior of Hortone, Willm de Horne, Nicholas Kiriel my son and William Etone. I will that Sir Stephen Valaunce have for his labour 20 marcs, Sir Peter Prior of Hortone 100s., Wm. de Horne £10., Wm. Etone 100s. Dated at Ostringhangr. I will that Letice my wife have fully and enjoy all her silver vessels, masers, beds, her jewels and all other things that were hers before marriage and to these I leave to the same Letice my wife twelve silver dishes, a silver cup with cover of the best and both gilt, a bed of ‘camata’ with half celur with hangings and other pertinencies and half the sheets and towels and napkins.
Proved 14 Kal. of March 1376 by Nicholas Kiriel son of deceased and William Etone. Reserved powers for the other executors. (96a Sudbury).
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/Wills/Lbth/Bk24/page%20449.htm
Unfortunately, the will of Lady Elizabeth Criol, nee Trussell who died in 1419 is not included, however it could be downloaded for a fee from TNA, if anyone is interested:
PROB 11/2B/269: Will of Lady Elizabeth Keryall of Saint Olave by the Tower, City of London.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D968011
Regards,
John
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Aug 13, 2018, 11:15:18 AM8/13/18
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Sorry to post on an old thread but I have a question about anete Grey father sir thomas Grey. Her daughter Johanna Clopton married to John Cavendish is my ancestor. The descent to Anete is all over the map of England in regards to her father. I have been unable to find any primary evidence of Thomas' family. Does anyone out there have any information about Thomas? Thanks
Terri Twyford
Terri Twyford
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