Dear Newsgroup ~
Back in 2008, I proposed a speculative theory that Ada (living 1305-6), wife of Sir Guy Botetourt, and mother of Sir John Botetourt, 1st Lord Botetourt, might possibly be the same person as Ada de Hastings, widow of Sir Hubert Hovel (died c.1254). In the intervening time, I've found no evidence to support this idea. While this theory remains a possibility, I now believe Ada Botetourt belongs to another family, namely the Tibetot family.
Combing through the Patent Rolls, I recently determined that in 1254 Guy Botetourt (husband of Ada) was granted free warren in all his demesne lands in Norfolk in 1254, "at the request of Robert de Ibetot." [Reference: Cal. of Patent Rolls, 1247–1258 (1908): 327]. Robert de Ibetot named in this record is surely the same person as Sir Robert de Tibetot, Knt. (born c.1229, died 1298), of Nettlestead, Suffolk, Burwell and Harston, Cambridgeshire, etc. Sir Robert de Tibetot was a close personal friend of Prince Edward, son of King Henry III, which Edward was afterwards King Edward I.
Besides the 1254 record, I find that there were numerous subsequent common appearances in contemporary records of the Botetourt and Tibetot families. In 1290, for example, Sir Guy Botetourt and his son, Sir John Botetourt, witnessed an indenture between Sir Roger de Leukenore and Sir Robert de Tybotot regarding the manor of Menchesham [Mendlesham, Suffolk], excepting the dower of Margery, widow of Hugh Fitz Otes, Knt. [Reference: Cal. of Close Rolls, 1288–1296 (1904): 131].
Research indicates that Sir Robert de Tibetot (died 1298) was the son and heir of Henry de Tibetot (or Tybetot, Typetot), of Shopland, Essex (died before 26 Dec. 1241), by his wife, Alda (or Ada). I might also note that Sir Robert de Tibetot and his wife, Eve de Chaworth, named one of their daughters, Ada.
Given that Sir Robert de Tibetot's mother and daughter were named Alda or Ada, and given the numerous subsequent appearances of the Botetourt and Tibetot families in contemporary records, it seems quite possible to me that Ada, wife of Sir Guy Botetourt, was the sister of Sir Robert de Tibetot, and thus the daughter of Henry de Tibetot and his wife, Alda (or Ada). Such a Botetourt-Tibetot connection would readily explain the rise of Sir Guy and Ada Botetourt's son, Sir John Botetourt, in the reign of King Edward I.
Having said that, more evidence needs to be located before Ada Botetourt can be assigned as a daughter of Henry de Tibetot, and his wife, Alda (or Ada). While I believe that Ada Botetourt was a Tibetot, this is still a speculative theory and should be treated as such.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
On Sunday, December 7, 2008 at 9:10:20 AM UTC-7, Douglas Richardson wrote:
> Dear Newgroup ~
>
> In my post this past week regarding Ada of Huntingdon, wife of Sir
> Henry de Hastings, I stated that Ada de Huntingdon did not marry (2nd)
> either Ralph de Brereton or William de Handsacre. Rather, I gave
> evidence which proved that Ada of Huntingdon predeceased her husband c.
> 1242. I raised the possibility, however, that Ada of Huntingdon's
> daughter, Ada de Hastings, might have married Sir Ralph de Brereton,
> even though there is no real evidence to support the marriage.
>
> In the intervening time, I've given the matter further thought. What
> we know of the younger Ada de Hastings is given below:
>
> ADA DE HASTINGS. In 1252, being then a ward of the king, she was
> abducted by HUBERT HOVEL, Knt., and married to him without the king’s
> license. He was a younger son of Robert Hovel, Knt., of Wyverstone,
> Suffolk. In Feb. 1252 the king ordered Hubert’s arrest for having
> “committed many trespasses in the realm against the king’s crown and
> peace.” He was subsequently arrested by the Sheriff of Bedfordshire.
> The following year, 1253, the king pardoned Hubert, and commanded the
> Sheriff of Bedfordshire to permit him to go free. SIR HUBERT HOVEL
> died before Hilary term 1258, when his widow, Ada, claimed dower in
> the third part of the manor of Harpol, Suffolk. She released her
> claim to brother-in-law, Robert Hovel, senior, in return for an
> annuity of two marks of silver, plus a one-time payment of ten marls
> of silver. Ada was living in 1260–1261, put she put in her claim to
> property in Wickham, Suffolk in a fine recorded that year. She is
> possibly the Ada Hovel who occurs on the 1301 lay subsidy at Cundale,
> Yorkshire. References: Arch. Journal 26 (1869): 236–256. Brown,
> Yorkshire Lay Subsidy (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 21) (1898): 1–
> 8. Rye, Cal. of Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 61, 63. Copinger,
> Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 397–399. C.P.R. 1247–1258 (1908): 130,
> 191. Muskett, Suffolk Manorial Fams. 2 (1908): 59–60, 74 (Hovel
> pedigree). C.P. 10 (1945): 336, footnote a (sub Pecche).
>
> As we can see, Ada de Hastings was widowed c.1258, and was free to
> remarry at that point. My guess is that she married not Sir Ralph de
> Brereton, but rather I suspect she is the Ada who married Sir Guy
> Botetourt, Knt., of Little Ellingham, Norfolk (died c.1316), and was
> the mother of Sir John Botetourt, Knt., 1st Lord Botetourt (died
> 1324). If so, this would help explain Sir John Botetourt's subsequent
> meteoric career and his elevation to a peer.
>
> The evidence for this connection is the manor of Great Bradley,
> Suffolk, which John Botetourt, Knt., 1st Lord Botetourt held about
> 1316, for which see Feudal Aids, 5 (1908): 45. That record may be
> viewed at the following weblink:
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=moBnAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Feudal+Aids+Little+Bradley&source=gbs_book_other_versions_r&cad=2_1#PPA45,M1
>
> There is a fine dated 1309–1310, whereby William Fitz Walter conveyed
> to John and his wife, Maud, the manor of Great Bradley, Suffolk. This
> may not have been a purchase, however, but rather a settlement of the
> manor. See weblink below for this conveyance:
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=h7DrCiAe9ucC&dq=Rye+Suffolk+Fines&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=o9NGyNepIi&sig=u2u1xiNuE-JgIfs6UznVWyIPqW4&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA119,M1
>
> Ada de Hastings' paternal grandmother, Margaret le Bigod, is alleged
> by Dugdale to have had the manor of Little Bradley, Suffolk in
> marriage, which might well be true. However, I don't find any of the
> later male members of the Hastings family dealing with this manor, so
> the manor was probably passed in marriage to one of the later Hastings
> women in this time period. If it was given to Ada de Hastings, it
> would have passed to her descendants. The land holdings of Little
> and Great Bradley appear to have been mixed. So it is possible that
> Ada de Hastings' grandmother, Margaret le Bigod, was given property in
> both parishes as her maritagium.
>
> The Bigod family certainly had an interest in Great Bradley, Suffolk,
> and its advowson, as indicated by fines on these two weblinks:
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=h7DrCiAe9ucC&dq=Rye+Suffolk+Fines&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=o9NGyNepIi&sig=u2u1xiNuE-JgIfs6UznVWyIPqW4&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA69,M1
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=h7DrCiAe9ucC&dq=Rye+Suffolk+Fines&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=o9NGyNepIi&sig=u2u1xiNuE-JgIfs6UznVWyIPqW4&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA69,M1
>
> Sir John Botetourt, Knt., 1st Lord Botetourt, however, had the
> advowson in this place before 1316, when he presented his brother,
> Master Roger Botetourt, as rector of Great Bradley, Suffolk. The
> advowson thereafter descended in the Botetourt family. See the
> following weblink:
>
>
http://www.great-bradley.suffolk.gov.uk/Great%20Bradley%20church_files/rectors.htm
>
> I show that Ada, mother of Sir John Botetourt, Knt., was living in
> 1305–1306, when a settlement was made of the manor of Cranworth,
> Norfolk, and property in Wood Rising, Norfolk [see Rye, Short Cal. of
> Feet of Fines for Norfolk 2 (1886): 230]. I don't find Ada in records
> after this date. If Great Bradley had been her property, she
> presumably would have died before 1311, when the manor was settled on
> Sir John Botetourt and his wife, Maud.
>
> This is a speculative theory. Please treat it as such.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah