Sir John Blount's Second Wife Elizabeth

[hsone]

There have been several discussions in the archives concerning Sir
John Blount's (d. 1358) marriage to Isolda de Mountjoy and inquiries
into her ancestry. It has also been discussed about the apparently
erroneous Beauchamp marriage of Sir John. One post even said that John
had an only marriage to Isolda.

Sir Alexander Croke in his famous The Genealogical History of the
Croke Family, Originally Named Le Blount, mentions a second wife
Elizabeth as mother to his children William and Alice, but does not
identify her by surname. I did find a post by Pat Junkin which
correctly identifies Elizabeth's ancestry, but I am not sure even she
made the connection as the family being discussed was Umfreville back
in 2006.

The identity is easily found in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica,
Series III, Volume III, pp. 272-276.

Sir John Blount's second wife was Elizabeth de Furneaux, daughter of
Sir Simon de Furneaux d. 1351 and his wife Alice, daughter of Sir
Henry de Umfreville of Penmark. Confirmation of these relationships
can be found that 8 Richard II she founded a chantry in he Abbey of
Athelney for two chaplains to say Mass daily (except Good Friday) for
the good estate of William Aungier and Henry Rodham, also of her the
Lady Elizabeth, the Lady Alice Stafford, the Lady Maud Stafford and
Robert Wrench, and all other friends and benefactors of the said
Elizabeth, and for the souls of Sir John Blount, Sir Simon de Furneaux
ad Alice his wife, Sir Henry Umfraville and Isabel his wife, Sir
William Blount and Maud his wife, the Lady Julian Talbot, the Lady
Elizabeth Cornwall, Sir Brian Cornwall her son, Sir Richard Stafford
and Sir Richard Stafford the younger his son, Robert Flete and Richard
Stockton, and for all her friends and benefactors deceased. Annual
obits to be kept of all the above persons.

Elizabeth's daughter Alice was first the wife of Sir Richard Stafford
mentioned above and her second husband was Sir Richard Stury, son of
Sir William Stury, Governor of Guernsey and Jersey.

HS

[Nathaniel Taylor]

In article
<39ef1daf-e78a-42bc...@x4g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
hsone <seal...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is very interesting! I think I was guilty of saying (as CP does)
that John had only the one wife, Isolda. At any rate Isolda was still
living after the latest possible birth year of the son Sir Walter
Blount, who, with one other son, had been erroneously assigned as
children of a second, purportedly Beauchamp wife. And the gift you cite
here does seem to imply that Elizabeth's only child was the daughter,
Alice Blount. Well spotted!

Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://www.nltaylor.net/sketchbook/

[hsone]

A more precise translation with additional names may be found in Two
Cartularies of the Benedictine Abbeys of Muchelney and Athelney in the
County of Somerset, edited by Rev. E. H. Bates, privately printed in
1899.

See pp. 187-188

I wonder if the Sir William Blount and his wife Maud, both deceased,
might possibly be the alleged son of John and Elizabeth who apparently
d.s.p. leaving Alice Blount the sole remaining child? Richard Stafford
is supposedly of Hook, Dorset, but I have not yet looked into that.

HS

[hsone]

More:

VCH Worc III: 153-158 states:

In 1321 Richard le Boteler was holding Great Thickenappletree and he
evidently sold it to Sir John Blount, kt., lord of Hampton Lovett, for
in 1345–6 Joan le Boteler, Richard's widow, released her dower in
Thickenappletree to Sir John who was in possession of the manor in
1346.Thickenappletree then followed the same descent as the Blounts'
manor of Hampton Lovett and is mentioned for the last time in 1626.

This information is insufficient to draw conclusions, but it is
curious that Elizabeth Furneaux's great-grandmother was a Joan le
Boteler, wife of Sir Warine le Raleigh of Nettlecombe, Somerset. This
cannot be the same Joan as mentioned in 1346, but if Sir John Blount
came to this property as a result of his marriage with Elizabeth
Furneaux, is this not an earlier than usually accepted date of a
possible second marriage since CPIX:331 states that Walter le Blount,
son of John and Isolda was born circa 1348? I can see why the VCH
author states that it was difficult to sort out the Blount
relationships. As Hampton Lovett manor already in possession of Blount
was nearby perhaps it was indeed a purchase as suggested in the text
rather than an acquisition through marriage. The Boteler connection
could just be a coincidence.

HS

[Douglas Richardson]

John Blount, died 1358, who married Iseult (Isolda is the Latin form),
is a separate and distinct person from John Blount, Knt. (died before
1370), of Hampton (in Hampton Lovett), Worcestershire, Belton,
Rutland, etc., who married Elizabeth, daughter and heiress of Simon
Furneaux, Knt. The heir of the latter John Blount was his daughter,
Alice Blount (died 1414), wife of Richard Stafford, Knt., and Richard
Sturry, Knt.

DR

[david]

DR 7 Nov 2010 "..please cite your sources and provide weblinks if you
have them."

You may be correct in what you posted, but is there any chance you
could practice what you preach?

[ADRIANCH...@aol.com]

Don't know if is just me, or more widespread, but I have had no messages
from gen-med for a couple of days. From gen-med archives:

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I am currently working on the family of the John Blount who died 1358.
His family is in Visitation of Shropshire 1623 - parts 1 & 2. as printed by
The Harleian Society, Vol XXVIII 1889 and Edited by Grazebrook and Rylands
pages 50-57

Just the one wife given as Isolda

British History on line does not name his wife or wives (unless shown in
the unreadable drop down tree). It states
"… and his brother Sir John Blount was found to be his heir. … But the
manor of Balterderley, and the rents at Fenton, Bydulf, and Romesore, passed
to Sir John Blount and his family. The said Sir John died in 1358, seised of
two bovates of land in Balterderley, 41s. 1d. of rent in Fenton; 13s. 4d.
in Bydulf; 19s. 2d. in Romesore, and one messuage and one carucate of land
in Denston, in the county of Stafford. These estates descended to his son
Sir John Blount, …"

See

'The parish of Church Eaton: Little Onn', Staffordshire Historical
Collections, vol. 4 (1883), pp. 64-102. URL:
_http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=52410&strquery=Kinlet_
(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=52410&strquery=Kinlet) Blount

Adrian

[Douglas Richardson]

On Nov 13, 1:32 am, david <david11000ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

< You may be correct in what you posted, but is there any chance you
< could practice what you preach?

Weaver, Somerset Incumbents (1889): 9, 386. Clark, Cartæ et Alia
Munimenta de Glamorgancia 3 (1891): 403–406. C.P. 7 (1896): 221 (sub
Stafford). Bates, Two Cartularies of the Benedictine Abbeys of
Muchelney & Athelney (Somerset Rec. Soc. 14) (1899): 187–188. Misc.
Gen. et Heraldica 3rd Ser. 3 (1900): 272–276. Wall, Alfred the Great
(1900): 100–101. Procs. Bath Natural Hist. & Antiq. Field Club 9
(1901): 188–201. Trans. Shropshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 3rd Ser. 4
(1904): xiii–xv. C.P.R. 1391–1396 (1905): 33, 37, 167, 301, 340, 533,
670. VCH Worcester 3 (1913): 153–158 (Blount arms: Barry wavy or and
sable), 261–265. Bubwith, Reg. of Nicholas Bubwith Bishop of Bath &
Wells 1 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 29) (1914): 100–101, 107, 167–168.
Wedgwood, Staffordshire Parl. Hist. 1 (Colls. Hist. Staffs. 3rd Ser.
1917) (1919): 82–85 (biog. of Richard de Stafford). Lyte, Docs. &
Extracts illus. Hist. of the Honour of Dunster (1921): 106–108, 128,
162–163, 165–166, 175–176, 179. C.C.R. 1392–1396 (1925): 131. C.F.R.
10 (1929): 34; 11 (1929): 179–180; 12 (1931): 287–288. VCH
Northampton 3 (1930): 173–176. VCH Rutland 2 (1935): 5–27, 27–32.
Chichele, Reg. of Henry Chichele 2 (Canterbury & York Soc. 42) (1937):
678 (biog. of Alice Stury). VCH Wiltshire 8 (1965): 96–103. Dunning,
Hylle Cartulary (Somerset Rec. Soc. 68) (1968): 20. Ellis, Cat. Seals
in the P.R.O. 1 (1978): 61 (seal of Alice Stafford, widow of Richard
Sturry dated 1402 — In a panel between lunettes of tracery, slung from
a twin bush, a shield of arms: barry wavy [BLOUNT] impaling a chevron
between three birds, with a label of three pieces [STAFFORD]).
Legend: SIGILL:ALICIE:STAFFORDE.). Cal. IPM 17 (1988): 259–260; 20
(1995): 59–60. VCH Somerset 6 (1992): 145–146, 325–330.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah