Romanian Hero Reveals More On Cernavoda CANDU Scandal
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ROMANIAN HERO REVEALS MORE ON CERNAVODA CANDU SCANDAL
By Wally Keeler
Speak-Up, March, 1990
Rev. Laszlo Tokes told a press conference that the forced relocation of
thousands of Hungarians was "well-known and widespread." He was asked to
comment on a letter he had written last September 15 to the Bishop of the
Hungarian Reformed Church in Romania in which he referred to the fate of
church elder, Erno Ujvarossy.
Mr. Ujvarossy had been detained, harassed, abducted, interrogated by
"unknown persons" through the summer of 1989. In a brief meeting with Rev.
Tokes, Mr. Ujvarossy confided that he had been threatened with being sent
to Cernavoda, the site of the CANDU nuclear reactors. He also said that his
son's employment had also been threatened. Within days after his brief
meeting with Rev. Tokes, Mr. Ujvarossy had been arrested by the Securitate
– his body was found in the woods four days later.
Rev. Tokes said that the forced relocation and forced labour was a
"general phenomenon. It was well-known and widespread throughout Romania.
They were sent to other places to work and not just Cernavoda." Rev. Tokes
informed the assembled media that only last November, five months ago,
three "believers in my church, who had supported me, had been forcibly
transferred to other localities – one was sent to Cernavoda."
Laszlo Hamos, President of the Hungarian Human Rights Foundation said
that "the Canadian government has not contacted us for this information
(documentation of forced labour at the Cernavoda CANDU site). Of course the
information is available and stands ready to be used by any responsible
government organizations to investigate that situation, which may, perhaps,
even be continuing – we're not certain of it."
It would be worthwhile and humane if the Canadian authorities would
determine whether the believer Rev Tokes refers to, is presently
languishing at the Cernavoda CANDU site or has been permitted to return
home to his family.
At the press conference meld March 21 at the Westbury Hotel, Mr. Hamos
explained that, "There were civilians that were regularly assigned to
six-months jobs to Cernavoda and other places, particularly people who were
considered community leaders in the Hungarian population, and whom the
government wanted to have out of their communities they transferred
temporarily elsewhere so they couldn't continue their community leadership
roles and Cernavoda was one of the places where these people were taken for
period of six months or a year."
When told that Canadian authorities claim that it was only conscripted
soldiers that were sent to Cernavoda, Mr. Hamos replied that "all groups
were involved." It was not just young conscripted soldiers.
The Hon. Charles Caccia , M.P. for Davenport, was told by the Hon.
Arthur Jake Epp, Minister of Energy, mines and Resources, on March 14,
1990, that Atomic Energy of Canada Limited (AECL) "was aware that the army
provided some manual (unskilled) labour to the project, in addition to its
security duties, but AECL was not unaware of forced labour at Cernavoda."
The scandal concerning the use of forced labour at the Cernavoda CANDU
site first broke in the mainstream media in early January of this year.
Since this time, the federal government has been sticking with the story
described by Mr. Epp. In the House of Commons last January 23, External
Affairs Minister, Joe Clark said, that he had "asked that officials look
into the matter and report to me."
Mr. Clark told the Commons, "I am continuing inquiries into the matter
to find out exactly what was happening. I think it is quite appropriate
that the government and Parliament know how long what was happening was
known by officials. I am inquiring into that as well. . ."
The Hon. Christine Stewart, M.P. for Northumberland, has been strongly
pressing the federal government to come clean about their use of forced
labour. In a Jan. 23/90 communiqué she stated that "persecuted Hungarian
minorities were targeted to work at CANDU sites to force them to move away
from their ancestral homeland and are concerned that their situation has
not yet changed." This is precisely the concern of Mr. Hamos as of March
21/90. Has the believer who had been forcibly removed from Rev. Tokes'
parish and sent to Cernavoda been set free to return home?
Ms Stewart declared that "Canadians demand a public report on the
situation to guarantee that Canada is not contributing to an unsafe project
which discredits the basic human rights of the Romanian labour force."
The use of the phrase 'slave labour' to describe the conditions at the
CANDU site was reinforced by government M.P. Ms Barbara Greene, who, after
visiting Romania, wrote to Joe Clark about her impressions.
Ms Greene stated, "It has been common practice for the Ceausescu regime
to force people to work on construction projects in other areas. American
embassy officials stated that they would do this by ending workers' jobs in
one location and telling them that they should report for work at another.
The Hungarian Human Rights Association and the Hungarians I spoke with were
well aware of the forced displacement of members of the Hungarian
community. It is therefore quite likely that the workforce at Cernavoda is
slave labour as were most people in the country. . . Canada needs to assure
our citizens that this project is being constructed under acceptable human
rights standards. . ."
NDP M.P. Dan Heap, has been especially persistent in his inquiries of
the federal government concerning the Romanian CANDU. In his initial reply
to Mr. Heap, Mr. Clark said that "We have instructed the Canadian embassy
in Bucharest to seek additional information about the workers at Cernavoda
and their conditions from the new Romanian authorities."
Mr. Heap said that Mr. Clark's answers about slave labour and nuclear
proliferation were "inadequate. Whether one describes it as slave labour or
not, forced conscript labour involving extremely poor housing and working
conditions should be unacceptable to Canada. AECL and External Affairs were
seemingly uninterested in asking questions they should have asked."
In the House of Commons, Feb 15, 1990, Mr. Heap declared that "Reports
of severe nuclear safety problems, and virtual slave labour at the CANDU
site are areas that require full government investigation. Why were these
things happening with Canada just going along with 'business as usual'?
. . . this government seems to make deals first and ask questions later, if
at all. They've given three loans to China since Tienanmen Square and now
it seems they were cutting secret deals with Ceausescu. Human rights should
matter in a business relationship., but this government doesn't seem to
care."
At the same time, NDP External Affairs critic, Bill Blaikie, targeted
the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, Mr. Jake Epp. "To what extent
did the Canadian government or its officials know about this [forced
labour] and why did they continue to support construction if they knew this
was happening?" Mr. Blaikie received the same sort of answer as did Mr.
Heap – an 'inadequate' answer.
Progressive Conservative M.P. Roy MacLaren, has also indicated his
concern about the matter and has inquired of Joe Clark. Dissatisfied by the
lack of answers from the government, Liberal leadership candidate, Tom
Wappel, told Joe Clark that "There have been far too many reports of forced
labour to dismiss these allegations." Mr. Wappel advised Clark to describe
the "precise procedures you are using to investigate these alleged abuses
of basic human rights, and what preliminary information has become
available." Mr. Wappel asked Clark these questions a month after Clark had
told the House he had initiated an investigation. It now has been a further
month since Mr. Wappel had inquired of Clark, and still there were no
answers.
It has not just been politicians who have been concerned about the use
of forced labour on the CANDU site. ACT for Disarmament was quick to demand
that External Affairs establish a public inquiry with subpoena power. ACT
for Disarmament is unique among peace groups in Toronto because of its
non-aligned policy which has earned it considerable enmity from communist
party deadbeats while at the same time it has been described as Marxist by
element of the right.
ACT for Disarmament informed External Affairs that, "The close Canadian
co-operation with the Romanian government during its years of severe human
rights abuses in building the CANDU nuclear reactor must be recognized as
one of the darkest stains on Canada's record in international relations. To
cleanse some of this guilt it is necessary to have a full inquiry with a
mandate to curb such participation in human rights abuses in the future."
The Edmonton Journal, Jan. 3/90, said that "Taxpayers had to contribute
$140,000,000 to the strapped AECL in the last fiscal year." The Edmonton
Journal further added that, "The Canadian inspectors could not be expected
to monitor the well-being of all 14,000 workers at Cernavoda, but they did
report activities that merited Ottawa's intervention. Construction workers
who made mistakes, for example, were docked pay and food rations. AECL
inspectors worried that serious, unreported errors would compromise the
safety of the project. Did anyone bother to ask how hungry workers were
supposed to construct a safe nuclear reactor?"
The Edmonton Journal finally declared that "Canadian citizens want no
part in the misery of the Cernavoda work camps. They deserve a prompt
explanation for Ottawa's blind cooperation with a dictatorial regime.
The measure of the government's concern about forced labour on one of
its Crown corporation projects was the response of External Affairs to
specific questions concerning whether food was ever an item traded for the
CANDU, and the information that Romanian hero, Rev. Laszlo Tokes'
revelation that one of his church elders, Erno Ujvarossy, had been
threatened with being sent to Cernavoda.
When Clark received this information, he immediately passed it on to Mr.
David Horley of the USSR and Eastern Europe Trade Development Division of
External Affairs. Mr. Horley avoided answering any questions whatsoever,
saying instead that, "It would seem appropriate, now, to lend our energies
and encouragement to the establishment of the democratic process in Romania
and to pursue ways of helping that country recover economically."
The federal government is hoping the entire issue will go away, but
there are too many politicians asking too many questions now. For ten years
AECL was building these reactors in Romania, and for ten years no one was
asking any questions, no one, not the environmentalists, not the peace
activists, not the social activists, not the Conservatives, not the nuclear
industry, not the government. It took a bloody revolution to shine a light
on what was turning out to be one of the most despicable deals Canada has
been involved in.
her...@hermes1.com
> ROMANIAN HERO REVEALS MORE ON CERNAVODA CANDU SCANDAL
> By Wally Keeler
> Speak-Up, March, 1990
>
> Rev. Laszlo Tokes told a press conference that the forced relocation of
Sorry Wally please do tell, what scandal ? The term scandal, implies that there
is an on
going controversy about the issue, and that people (the press) cares and makes
a fuss.
This is a non issue, both in Romania and outside of Romania. Nobody gives a
shit pal, about
Candu or Cernavoda.
Cernavoda is a good thing. I would build many more. This 'no nukes' crap is
just a pass time
for North American ex-pinkoes gone 'enviromentalist', middle aged and middle
class.
Any country that cannot luxuriate in the plentitude of energy sources that Nort
America has available,
would be well advised to consider building as many nuclear energy plants as
they could, as fast as
they could. Look at France, a good example.
m. cristian
MamaMuie
boule
AK&G
Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
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> ROMANIAN HERO REVEALS MORE ON CERNAVODA CANDU SCANDAL
> By Wally Keeler
> Speak-Up, March, 1990
>
"Hot shot" Tokes .. "romanian"(?!?) hero????????????????????????????
I'm fainting $-/
Are you talking about the guy that started his "revolutionar activity"
by helding catechism classes with hungarian spaking youngsters from
"andrei Muresanu" high school from Dej, Dept. Cluj? ..classes that
proved to be ultra-nationalist and iredentist meetings ment to teach the
young bloods how to "cope" with the romanians arround? The one that was
found to be a sexual predator and child molester, after parents had
complain to the authorities that their teenage girl had lost virginity
in dull circumstances? The one moved away from Dej, "strategicaly" after
the intervention of the catholic Bishop and the "arrangement" concluded
with the authorities - where?- well, first to Oradea and than to..
Timisoara? (to avoid scandal). The one married with the psichotic
daughter (Edith) of a honest man, my father Knew well, Mr. Ioo?
The mother fucker who eat shit as often he could, pretending he was an
"oppressed freedom fighter" chased by the romanians?
IF it's him you're talking about, screw you both, shit eaters.
Get a REAL life or hang yourselves.
Erdelyi "Hireanyi" Gyorgyi
AK&G
Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
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> ROMANIAN HERO REVEALS MORE ON CERNAVODA CANDU SCANDAL
> By Wally Keeler
> Speak-Up, March, 1990
>
Creative Intelligence Agency
Is there any truth to these allegations against Laszlo Tokes? I have not
followed the career or biography of the man after 1990.
AK&G <ur...@netcom.ca> wrote in article <34C6D8...@netcom.ca>...
| Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
| >
| > ROMANIAN HERO REVEALS MORE ON CERNAVODA CANDU SCANDAL
| > By Wally Keeler
| > Speak-Up, March, 1990
| >
AK&G
Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
>
> Is there any truth to these allegations against Laszlo Tokes? I have not
> followed the career or biography of the man after 1990.
>
..but the man is the same. Ore worse. Sicker.
Laszlo Horvath
Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
>
> Is there any truth to these allegations against Laszlo Tokes? I have not
> followed the career or biography of the man after 1990.
>
> | Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
> | >
> | > By Wally Keeler
> | > Speak-Up, March, 1990
> | >
> | "Hot shot" Tokes .. "romanian"(?!?) hero????????????????????????????
> | I'm fainting $-/
> | Are you talking about the guy that started his "revolutionar activity"
> | by helding catechism classes with hungarian spaking youngsters from
> | "andrei Muresanu" high school from Dej, Dept. Cluj? ..classes that
> | proved to be ultra-nationalist and iredentist meetings ment to teach the
> | young bloods how to "cope" with the romanians arround? The one that was
> | found to be a sexual predator and child molester, after parents had
> | complain to the authorities that their teenage girl had lost virginity
> | in dull circumstances? The one moved away from Dej, "strategicaly" after
> | the intervention of the catholic Bishop and the "arrangement" concluded
> | with the authorities - where?- well, first to Oradea and than to..
> | Timisoara? (to avoid scandal). The one married with the psichotic
> | daughter (Edith) of a honest man, my father Knew well, Mr. Ioo?
> | The mother fucker who eat shit as often he could, pretending he was an
> | "oppressed freedom fighter" chased by the romanians?
> | IF it's him you're talking about, screw you both, shit eaters.
> | Get a REAL life or hang yourselves.
> |
> | Erdelyi "Hireanyi" Gyorgyi
Wally, I fail to see the point in your asking "Is there any truth to
these allegations against Laszlo Tokes? I have not followed the career or
biography of the man after 1990." in response to this sick man's comment
on your article on Reverend Tokes.
Any intelligent person reading this nitwit would dismiss him for what he
appears to be an illiterate, foulmouthed nitwit, a psycho with a fake
("good" though artificial) Hungarian name. His must be the only
"accusation" of that kind. Although I do not claim to have followed
Tokes' life closely I have read quite a bit about him. I have also met
him a couple of times and he appeared to have been a thorougly decent
person.
Laszlo
Creative Intelligence Agency
Laszlo Horvath <hor...@hoover.stanford.edu> wrote
| these allegations against Laszlo Tokes?"
It is an inquiry, consequently I used the phrase "any truth". That is the
point. I had no doubt the guy was a nitwit, etc., but I wanted to know if
there was "any truth" (a smidgin, a small ember, a flicker) from which this
nitwit could exaggerate all to hell from. (It is a practice that Lippai has
performed with his smears of Szalai -- terrorist, communist garbage, etc.)
The point is to receive a comment such as yours, a re-affirmation of Tokes'
value. In any event, neither of us followed his career, so I was curious
about any incident that would have given reason for the nitwit's flame.
Also the possibility that some tudorist/funarist media had made such wild
allegations against Tokes. I was asking in the hopes that someone with some
valid information, (not ignoramuses who don't follow his career like you or
I) could inform.
| I have not followed the career or
| biography of the man after 1990." in response to this sick man's comment
| on your article on Reverend Tokes.
|
| Any intelligent person reading this nitwit would dismiss him for what he
| appears to be an illiterate, foulmouthed nitwit, a psycho with a fake
| ("good" though artificial) Hungarian name. His must be the only
| "accusation" of that kind. Although I do not claim to have followed
| Tokes' life closely I have read quite a bit about him. I have also met
| him a couple of times and he appeared to have been a thorougly decent
| person.
That was also my impression when I met him and his brother one two or three
occasions.
frank
Si nu ti-a propus nimic?, inseamna ca esti gras si nasol, lui Tiokesh ii
plac numai elevele de liceu. Are dreptate Ghio, si istoriile s-au
petrecut inainte de 1990. lafasz frantz
AK&G
Laszlo Horvath wrote:
...
Laci dear, lots of the most famous world's sociopaths & criminals
were charming (while goin' public) persons. Had you felt, lately, kind
of "Sherlock Holmes" mood and just wanna be shure? Go in Dej and ask
people arround; you'll see (and hear) for yourself...
Can you afford what you'll discover? I'm not quite shure.
...
Oups! Mr. Laszlo, Sir: your icon has a problem. The colours are
fainting... Istenem, ishtenem!..
Erdelyi Gyorgyi
AK&G
Creative Intelligence Agency wrote:
>"...In any event, neither of us followed his career, so I was curious
> about any incident that would have given reason for the nitwit's flame.
The "nitwit", (as you named me) had lived in the very same town with
The Great Sick for some years, and his wife, Edith, was a friend of mine
(like dozens of others magyar native persons, of all ages) and I have to
admit that the bastard had a "Rudolf Valentino" glow capable to produce
mathaphysical tremours in some wicked female hearts
> Also the possibility that some tudorist/funarist media had made such >wild allegations against Tokes. I was asking in the hopes that someone >with some valid information, (not ignoramuses who don't follow his >career like you or I) could inform.
>
Screw Funar and VC Tudor and screw you, butt head. Some valid
information? Aka "the one that fits your point of view".
The "points of view" like yours will never get the Big Picture, cursed
to never be able to become a horizon..
Nu-i bai. Just keep on "following his career".
How could Jokai Mor and Bartok been borned in the same country YOU do?
Gheorghe, The_Nitwit ot Ardeal
Laszlo Horvath
Mr or Ms Erdelyi:
I'm not sure which gender (having the same email address)I should refer
to on the basis of your signatures (here Erdelyi Gyorgyi -that might make
you a lady, and the other, appended at the end of your response to
Wally's comment as "Gheorge, the Nitwit ot Ardeal"). In any case my
assumption that the person detracting Reverend Tokes was a nitwit was
based on the fact that in my two encounters with Reverend Tokes I gained
the impression of an earnest and honest person (of course that wouldn't
"disqualify" such a person from being a philanderer). But, whether
privately or through public media I've never heard of charges similar
against him as you have made. Alas, what in my own opinion "discredited"
you was in the nature of telling your charges: in a foul, cussing,
cursing language. You could have made your case in a restrained,
civilized fashion and who knows, your charges might have given some of us
second thoughts about the Reverend -despite our personal experiences,
impressions- and not dismiss you as a nitwit.
I hope that you will get down to the keyboard and tell us in a rational,
restrained, detailed fashion why, in your opinion, is the Reverend Tokes
a "con" man, a scoundrel, the "Great Sick". I am sure that besides me
some others too might be interested.
Sincerely, Laszlo
Mircea
Miki Bakai was best man at my wedding. His wife, Mira, is Romanian. Their son,
Miki Jr., was born in Dej and baptized by Laslo Tokes. None of them corroborate your
allegations.
Mircea