CUBA THE NEXT EAST GERMANY
Erick
bloodthirsty dictador a la` Ceausescu and Stanculescu,and i would love to
see the execution Romanian style of all the colaborators and
secret police traitors to the cuban people
tynet2k wrote in message <1f71d68e...@usw-ex0104-025.remarq.com>...
> Im just wondering what would happen if cuba is to be liberated
>from communism.Will the same thing happen to the U.S. as it did
>to west germany when east germany was liberated?Im wondering if
>thousands of cubans would panic in the chaos of liberation and
>build makeshift boats to try to make it to the U.S. Im sure many
>people would perish if that happens.The ramifications of a fast
>change over of power could be desasterous for cuba.Have to be
>prepare for that.And then there is the question, will the U.S
>allow them to reach the U.S shore.
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>ramification
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capiro
You knnow, Erick, I fully share your Angst for our destiny but no, we
have no time to waste
getting rid of folks... How many are we going to kill? Hundreds?
Thousands? Naaah. They MAY deserve it, BUT, we can not allow ourselves
to wallow in a blood bath. Maybe a few of the certified murderers ought
to be shot, or hung, or garroted, after a showcase trial a la Nuernberg,
but as for the rest, Cuban society is too complicated for that, in many
cases families are divided, loyalties are divided. I would say, lenghty
prison terms for the worst offenders in some remote spot ( the Baracoa
area, the Guanahacabibes peninsule, or, if the Candian government would
lease us a few acres of land, Baffin Island, would be sufficient ). For
the rest, for the collaborationists, deprivation of the right to have
any state job, of being elected to eny poisition
for life, would probabaly be sufficient. They would have to take their
chances in the new market economy. If they don't like it, why, the door
is always open for them to go to North Korea, or Outer Mongolia, or
wherever, and then come back, if they think they don't like it. We just
need to make sure they remain pariahs for the rest of their lives for
having betrayed their country and enslaved their countrymen.
There is too much work to be done to spend time in vengeance...
Pedro Martori
Erick
Pedro Martori wrote in message ...
Erick
temperament,both hot blooded and on the wild side compared to the if you
want, cool headed germans.
capiro wrote in message <38CAEA59...@hotbot.com>...
Stephen Voss
> temperament,both hot blooded and on the wild side compared to the if you
> want, cool headed germans.
Germans werent cool headed it was just that DDR was so completely washed
up that in the absence of soviet support it simply collapsed. Even reform
minded communists knew that. If they had gotten rid of Honecker 3 years
earlier
they might have done a Glasnost style communism in DDR for a few years.
Of course the West german system wasnt that much better except that it was
democratic. The West German system also had plenty of bloated state own
enterprises.
DDR would have been better off not unifying with the west but waiting 10
years
and following a more aggressive market economy.
constantin
mujahendin of th capitalist jihad.
German stade is socialdemocratic for the left and social economy
of the market for the right wingers(noone cals them self
capitalist in germany).95% of the germans buck up the current
system and a grea t part of german people want a more aggressive
stade intevention in the market economy.
Capiatlism is for morrons which have never lived in a modern
society dut opposite they live in troll houses in miami.Inpover
uneducated mizery cuban american class, show the avarage mental
level by bucking the bigbosses pockets(cause in the bottom end
is castro which is responcible for their own mizery-based on
western standards of corse).
damm , damm , damm ,damm asses
jobo
Stephen Voss <vo...@gate.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
38CDD7D8...@gate.net...
> DDR would have been better off not unifying with the west but waiting 10
> years
> and following a more aggressive market economy.
>
There are a lot of people in this NG that defend capitlism because of the
crimes commited by Stalin, Mao, and their succsessors. Others have the
opinion that humans are "too greedy for socialism". And although I disagree
I try to argue and respect those.
You offer a statment that makes me sick:
The wish that the east german people should suffer the some poverty and
unemployment as the people in russia do, being exploited and raped by
western cooperations and the russian 'mafia'.
IMHO not only for the east german people but for the whole working class it
would have been best to overthrow the ruling bureaucracy set up a demoratic
workers state and be the lightnig spark for the hard and long road to
socialism and freedom for all.
Robin de la Motte
Stephen Voss <vo...@gate.net> wrote in message
news:38CDD7D8...@gate.net...
> > I`m talking about the similitud between the Romanians and Cubans`s
> > temperament,both hot blooded and on the wild side compared to the if you
> > want, cool headed germans.
>
> Germans werent cool headed it was just that DDR was so completely washed
> up that in the absence of soviet support it simply collapsed. Even reform
> minded communists knew that. If they had gotten rid of Honecker 3 years
> earlier
> they might have done a Glasnost style communism in DDR for a few years.
>
> Of course the West german system wasnt that much better except that it was
> democratic. The West German system also had plenty of bloated state own
> enterprises.
>
> years
> and following a more aggressive market economy.
The DDR would have been better off not being sucked into West Germany
through a straw. Politically, legally, and economically, it was an Accession
to West Germany, not a Unification of partners. Technically, the DDR
dissolved itself into five Laender and acceded to West Germany. This was
much preferred by the West German government as the alternative was the
Unification clause in the FRG constitution which required re-negotiation of
the entire constitutions of both countries. So instead of a chance for a new
beginning for both countries, a re-evaluation 40-years on of that Janus
thing called 'Germany', it was a dream sold to the East Germans (not unlike
the American Dream) which turned out to be a cover for semi (and sometimes
not-so-semi) criminal gutting of East German economy by an invading army of
arrogant West German bureaucrats. The DDR needed a transition phase of high
investment and re-building under its own government, in its own interests.
What it got was a 400% revaluation of the currency (oops, that sure helped
competitiveness!), politically-motivated rapid rise of wages toward FRG
levels, despite productivity a third of FRG level (mainly due to ancient
capital equipment); and an ideologically-motivated privatisation drive that
rewarded above all carpet-bagging west Germans at the cost of prioritising
the rebuilding of industry. A recipe for disaster (still 20+% unemployment
10 years on), and it doesn't even include the destruction virtually
overnight of all the social institutions and structures people were used to
(in health, social services, education, etc, which all got replaced
wholesale by the west german model). Is it any wonder that the former
communist party (now a broad-platform Party of Democratic Socialism)
averages a third of the vote in the former DDR, giving it more than 5% in
the German parliament? The whole process has been characterised, not
entirely unfairly, as not unification but colonisation. (Especially if you
know about the role of the western secret services in the crucial months
between November 89 and March 90, when a puppet DDR government was elected,
apparently democratically; probably the first government in history
dedicated to dissolving itself unconditionally.)
It occurs to me this is getting a bit off the thread title... but imagine if
after Castro goes/dies Cuba becomes a US state overnight with all its laws
and institutions. Messy, very messy; control ceded to Washington instead of
Castro; and not to Cubans.
Erick
Robin de la Motte wrote in message <8alvq7$3td$1...@news.okay.net>...
Robin de la Motte
Erick <ih...@commies.com> wrote in message
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> That`s NOT going to happen,you don`t know anything about cubans i`m
afraid.
Not very much, no. But it was phrased as a (farfetched) "if".