balkaneti......Me-3?
nana
lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze da kartvelebs esec ar
miachniat salaparako temad.
chemtvis ukve kvelaferi cxadia. rusofilia amerikofiliit shecvlila da
idealizmi absoluturi pragmatizmit.
mitsastan da tsarsulrtan bunebrivi kavshiri, cru teoriebit da mati
kurmochrili ertgulebit.
xolo visac es daavadeba ar gadadebia, is dartsmunebula rom es NG
salaparako sivrce araa, rom nebismieri gultsrfeli azrisatvis
tavdasxmebis da sheuracxkofebis msxverplad ikceva.
tu vinme me shegashinet ase bodishs vixdi.
magram gulaxdilad vitkvi, es NG mitovebulia umetesoba im xalxis mier
visac shetkiva guli msoflioze da adamiaze zogadad.
ar vakritikeb NG-s tsevrebs. chven dzalian cotani vart dro rom gvekos
imisatvis rom raime atmosfero shevkmnat. tanac ak iseti amerikofili
tsers statiebs rom sxvebs kudis gandzrevis uflebebs ar adzlevs. tumca
echvi mepareba rom bevrs misi satsinaagmdego azri gaachndes, sufta
pragmatuli mosazrebebis gamo da chems bostanshi mshvidobaas teoriebidan
gamomdinare.
amjerad pirobas ar vdeb rom ak sul agarafers ar davster magram NG
romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
imsaxurebs chemshi. politikanobis da gulgrilobis niavi uberavs.
ukan shemoxedvas ar vapireb uaxloes xanebshi. tumca srul uflebas
gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo. aseve shegidzliat
agnishnot rom aseti moazrovneebi rogoric me var dagupavs sakartvelos. me
ki gipasuxebdit tsinastsar me chemi samshoblo sxis tavze shemomjdar
tilad ar mesaxeba da tu konformizmia misi gza mashin dzalian mebraleba.
kargad brdzandebodet.
nana
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nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> gamarjobat!
> lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze da kartvelebs esec ar
> miachniat salaparako temad.
> chemtvis ukve kvelaferi cxadia. rusofilia amerikofiliit shecvlila da
> idealizmi absoluturi pragmatizmit.
Nana, neba momeci ar dagetanxmo, aq sakartveloshi rusofilia principshi
ar iko, da namdvilad sheidzleba itkvas, rom amerikanofiliac principsi
ar aris da arc ikneba. Sxva sakmea es NG, magram es NG xom sakartvelo ar aris.
pragmatizmze ki getanxmebi. Rac sheeheba 3 msoflio oms is didi xania
dackebulia, ogond sxva formit.
> mitsastan da tsarsulrtan bunebrivi kavshiri, cru teoriebit da mati
> kurmochrili ertgulebit.
> xolo visac es daavadeba ar gadadebia, is dartsmunebula rom es NG
> salaparako sivrce araa, rom nebismieri gultsrfeli azrisatvis
> tavdasxmebis da sheuracxkofebis msxverplad ikceva.
> tu vinme me shegashinet ase bodishs vixdi.
> magram gulaxdilad vitkvi, es NG mitovebulia umetesoba im xalxis mier
> visac shetkiva guli msoflioze da adamiaze zogadad.
> ar vakritikeb NG-s tsevrebs. chven dzalian cotani vart dro rom gvekos
> imisatvis rom raime atmosfero shevkmnat. tanac ak iseti amerikofili
> tsers statiebs rom sxvebs kudis gandzrevis uflebebs ar adzlevs. tumca
> echvi mepareba rom bevrs misi satsinaagmdego azri gaachndes, sufta
> pragmatuli mosazrebebis gamo da chems bostanshi mshvidobaas teoriebidan
> gamomdinare.
Samagierod, aq sakartveloshi sceren "antiamerikuls", romelsac, am NG-sgan
gansxvavebit martla kitxulobs xalxi. rom ar shemomedavon "misisipdaleulebi",
aq sxva anti... rameebic icereba.
> amjerad pirobas ar vdeb rom ak sul agarafers ar davster magram NG
> romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> imsaxurebs chemshi. politikanobis da gulgrilobis niavi uberavs.
Chven rom gavaketot analizi, amit ra sheicvleba, magram ai chemi azri:
Amerikis xalxi da amerikis mtavrobis nacili didi xania dashorda ertmanets.
Me sxvanairad ver avxsni imas, tu ras uketebs amerikas patara jgufi
adamianebisa, romeltac konkretuli bindzuri interesebi amodzravebt.
Asevea chventan, Rusetshic, igive yugoslaviashic da albat bevrgan sxvaganac.
Ra gansxvavebaa axla Milosevichsa da Clinton-blairs shoris? ukve
araferi. ra gansxvavebaa individual teroristsa da kvekana-terorists
shoris? isev araferi. roca schirdebat, kanonia kanoni da morali ukanono,
da roca schirdebat, moralia turme kanoni, da kanoni ki...
Tumca, martali xar, shen sadac xar, iq imokmede, me sadac var iq vimokmedeb da
ikneb rame sheicvalos...
> ukan shemoxedvas ar vapireb uaxloes xanebshi. tumca srul uflebas
> gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo. aseve shegidzliat
> agnishnot rom aseti moazrovneebi rogoric me var dagupavs sakartvelos. me
> ki gipasuxebdit tsinastsar me chemi samshoblo sxis tavze shemomjdar
> tilad ar mesaxeba da tu konformizmia misi gza mashin dzalian mebraleba.
Piriqit, me dzalian vafaseb shens pozicias, imitom, rom shen hedav
imas, rasac sxvebic hedaven, magram ratomgac tvals xuchaven. Gagvakritikon,
mere ra moxda, Ilia chavchavadzes aginebdnen da dgesac aginebs
zogierti, chven critika ras gagvifuchebs, chin-medlebs chamogvartmeven
tu ra?:-)
Minda gitxra,rom xalxi aq sakartveloshi dzalian kargad hedavs kvelafers, is
dro cavida, roca erti-or aferists sheedzlo mati gacrueba. Axla, sakartvelo
ukve sadgegrdzeloebis doneze agar ganixileba, sakartvelo umetesi kartvelis
ojaxshi shemovida, ukve xedavs xalxi, rom es vigac sxvisi problema araaa, rom
es ukme MATI problemaa. saqartvelos ketildgeobis gareshe ki mati ketildgeoba
ver ikneba. Es ki didi nabijia cin.
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gvichagraven martlmadidebel dzmebs da chven es arts ki mogvixsenebia. rusetis
intiligentsiam da xalxma didi protesti gamotqva amis taobaze da tu ase
gagrdzelda shesadzloa martlats me-3 msoflio omi daitskos. pirveli msoflio
omits xom Serbebis gamo daitsko 1914-shi. neta NATO rom raimes maqnisi ikves
ra gvichirda, Abkhazetis omze sartod xma ar daudzvriat mshishara turebs da
quveitshi ki masinve gaeshurnen... albat xvdebit ra amodzravebt chalpobil
kapitalistebs... sadats fuli isinit iq garbian. Serbebtan mimartebashi ki mat
anti- martlmadidebluri modzraoba atsuxebt da ara vinem Albanelebis bedi.
P.S. - es chemi azria mxolod...
Besiki
====
In article <36F9FD...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> gamarjobat!
>
> lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze da kartvelebs esec ar
> miachniat salaparako temad.
> chemtvis ukve kvelaferi cxadia. rusofilia amerikofiliit shecvlila da
> idealizmi absoluturi pragmatizmit.
> mitsastan da tsarsulrtan bunebrivi kavshiri, cru teoriebit da mati
> kurmochrili ertgulebit.
> xolo visac es daavadeba ar gadadebia, is dartsmunebula rom es NG
> salaparako sivrce araa, rom nebismieri gultsrfeli azrisatvis
> tavdasxmebis da sheuracxkofebis msxverplad ikceva.
> tu vinme me shegashinet ase bodishs vixdi.
> magram gulaxdilad vitkvi, es NG mitovebulia umetesoba im xalxis mier
> visac shetkiva guli msoflioze da adamiaze zogadad.
> ar vakritikeb NG-s tsevrebs. chven dzalian cotani vart dro rom gvekos
> imisatvis rom raime atmosfero shevkmnat. tanac ak iseti amerikofili
> tsers statiebs rom sxvebs kudis gandzrevis uflebebs ar adzlevs. tumca
> echvi mepareba rom bevrs misi satsinaagmdego azri gaachndes, sufta
> pragmatuli mosazrebebis gamo da chems bostanshi mshvidobaas teoriebidan
> gamomdinare.
> amjerad pirobas ar vdeb rom ak sul agarafers ar davster magram NG
> romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> imsaxurebs chemshi. politikanobis da gulgrilobis niavi uberavs.
> ukan shemoxedvas ar vapireb uaxloes xanebshi. tumca srul uflebas
> gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo. aseve shegidzliat
> agnishnot rom aseti moazrovneebi rogoric me var dagupavs sakartvelos. me
> ki gipasuxebdit tsinastsar me chemi samshoblo sxis tavze shemomjdar
> tilad ar mesaxeba da tu konformizmia misi gza mashin dzalian mebraleba.
>
> kargad brdzandebodet.
>
> nana
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nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze
nana, shen tkvi kartvelebi emociuri xalxi varto ( rac zogjer cudia, radgan
sinamdvilis scorad agkmas ushlis xels) da am shemtxvevashi amis magalitad
gvachvene. sanam movlenis orive mxares ar sheapaseb daskvnas nu gamoitan
torem naxevarkatamasavit iknebi an gapucebuli teleponivit. art vici romelia
uaresi.
> NG romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> imsaxurebs chemshi.
es metad ucnauri sacqaoa. ratom maincdamainc serbiis dabombvam
gatkmevina da ara ati atasobis bosnielis jletvam?
shen zogadad sicocxlis mospobas mistiri tu mxolod kerjo jgupis ubedurebas?
> tumca srul uflebas gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo.
uplebas aravin elis da kritikac araa saciro. ak amerikofiliazec araa saubari
aramed ubralo miukerjoeblobaze romelic ragaca kargis danaxvas mainc
shegajlebiebs amxela kveqanashi. shen ki ratomgac mxolod sashinels xedav
garshemo. tu amdenad ar migidis guli sheertebul shtatebze, logikuri ikneboda
sxvagan, upro misageb kveqanashi gecxovra. gana vinme gajalebs ak qopnas da
tanjvas?
Levani
illar...@my-dejanews.com
I can't agree with you that this NG (or Georgians in general) are
Americophils (your term).
Now regarding Kosovo, why are you so upset only now, when NATO bombs Serbs?
Why are you rasing this issue now, not before when Serbs were killing
innocent people? Why not saying a word when NATO was bombing Saddam? I can
understand why Russians are upset (it hurts their national pride) but why
you? I can also understand Besiki who supports Serbs only because they are
the same religion as us! Altough this sounds weird to me, to support killers
only because of religion?
What's wrong with you guys? Everyone realized that it's impossible to deal
further with Milosevic. There is no choice left! Serbs are fucking
aggressors! The whole Balcan story proved this. The last piece is Kosovo.
In article <36F9FD...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> gamarjobat!
>
> lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze da kartvelebs esec ar
> miachniat salaparako temad.
> chemtvis ukve kvelaferi cxadia. rusofilia amerikofiliit shecvlila da
> idealizmi absoluturi pragmatizmit.
> mitsastan da tsarsulrtan bunebrivi kavshiri, cru teoriebit da mati
> kurmochrili ertgulebit.
> xolo visac es daavadeba ar gadadebia, is dartsmunebula rom es NG
> salaparako sivrce araa, rom nebismieri gultsrfeli azrisatvis
> tavdasxmebis da sheuracxkofebis msxverplad ikceva.
> tu vinme me shegashinet ase bodishs vixdi.
> magram gulaxdilad vitkvi, es NG mitovebulia umetesoba im xalxis mier
> visac shetkiva guli msoflioze da adamiaze zogadad.
> ar vakritikeb NG-s tsevrebs. chven dzalian cotani vart dro rom gvekos
> imisatvis rom raime atmosfero shevkmnat. tanac ak iseti amerikofili
> tsers statiebs rom sxvebs kudis gandzrevis uflebebs ar adzlevs. tumca
> echvi mepareba rom bevrs misi satsinaagmdego azri gaachndes, sufta
> pragmatuli mosazrebebis gamo da chems bostanshi mshvidobaas teoriebidan
> gamomdinare.
> amjerad pirobas ar vdeb rom ak sul agarafers ar davster magram NG
> romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> imsaxurebs chemshi. politikanobis da gulgrilobis niavi uberavs.
> ukan shemoxedvas ar vapireb uaxloes xanebshi. tumca srul uflebas
> gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo. aseve shegidzliat
> agnishnot rom aseti moazrovneebi rogoric me var dagupavs sakartvelos. me
> ki gipasuxebdit tsinastsar me chemi samshoblo sxis tavze shemomjdar
> tilad ar mesaxeba da tu konformizmia misi gza mashin dzalian mebraleba.
>
> kargad brdzandebodet.
>
> nana
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BesikiNews <bes...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> neta NATO rom raimes maqnisi ikves
> ra gvichirda, Abkhazetis omze sartod xma ar daudzvriat mshishara turebs da
> quveitshi ki masinve gaeshurnen... albat xvdebit ra amodzravebt chalpobil
> kapitalistebs... sadats fuli isinit iq garbian. Serbebtan mimartebashi ki mat
> anti- martlmadidebluri modzraoba atsuxebt da ara vinem Albanelebis bedi.
Is, rac moxda sakartveloshi 1991-1992-1993-1994-1995-1996-1997-1998
clebshi, nebadartuli iko Amerikidan. Rom ar sdomebodat, arc mohdeboda.
L_e_x_o
Marika
>
> Now regarding Kosovo, why are you so upset only now, when NATO bombs Serbs?
Illarion, I don't think she was upset for that exact reason. Just read her
first sentence. And then she expressed regret that no one here even mentioned
this bombing (as well as no one here had any conserns about Iraqi bombings at
the time).
> What's wrong with you guys? Everyone realized that it's impossible to deal
> further with Milosevic. There is no choice left! Serbs are fucking
> aggressors! The whole Balcan story proved this. The last piece is Kosovo.
If what you say is right - that the only way to deal with killers is to bomb
their country - then almost whole africa should lay in ruins. But it doesn't -
can you tell me why?
If they aren't careful - might be that it is not too long left before whole
europe lays in ruins. All those people hate eachother - just give them a
reason.
Now, please, anyone explain me WHY nato is bombing serbians? don't give me
that b... about protecting albanians. Albanians are just being sucrificed,
used as an excuse. Wait to see what will be excuse for deploying ground
troops - serbians are retalitating against albanians - so we need troops
there. So question again - why? to test new weapons, war planes? for clinton
to be remembered for something else besides monica?...
Marika
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36F9FD...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
> nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
>
> > lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze
>
> sinamdvilis scorad agkmas ushlis xels) da am shemtxvevashi amis magalitad
> gvachvene. sanam movlenis orive mxares ar sheapaseb daskvnas nu gamoitan
> torem naxevarkatamasavit iknebi an gapucebuli teleponivit. art vici romelia
> uaresi.
nutu ar ici levan romelia uaresi? wen gapuchebuli teleponis didi ostati xar
tavad - rodis iko vinmes natqvams daetanxme - anda saertod kuri daugde? maw
tu ara xar "naxevarkatama" agvighcere am movlenis orive mxare: romelia
martali - is vinc bombavs tu is vinc klavs?
> > NG romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> > imsaxurebs chemshi.
>
> es metad ucnauri sacqaoa. ratom maincdamainc serbiis dabombvam
> gatkmevina da ara ati atasobis bosnielis jletvam?
> shen zogadad sicocxlis mospobas mistiri tu mxolod kerjo jgupis ubedurebas?
chemi azrit nanas cerilwi sakmaod cxadad iko gamotqmuli misi gulis tkivili
saertod omis wesaxeb - misi subject line "Re: balkaneti......Me-3?", ra
me-3-zea laparaki? me-3 serbze? me-3 bombze? tu me-3 msoplio omze? modi da
dagvimtkice rom gapuchebul telepons wen tviton ar tamawob, sxvis natqvamwi
rac wen mogesurveba imas gebulob.
> > tumca srul uflebas gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo.
>
> uplebas aravin elis da kritikac araa saciro. ak amerikofiliazec araa saubari
> aramed ubralo miukerjoeblobaze romelic ragaca kargis danaxvas mainc
> shegajlebiebs amxela kveqanashi.
ra miukerdzoebazea laparaki? dzalian magonebs am rusul gamotqmas - kto ne za
nas tot protiv nas. cudze kuradghebis gamaxvileba sulac ar niwnavs
daunaxaobas - piriqit - niwnavs rom adamiani tetrisa da wavis garda sxva
perebsac xedavs. wen ki mxolod or perad gaqvs qvekana dakopili. aq mravali
ram aris kargi - magram bevr rames mainc schirdeba gamoscoreba. saqartvelowi
kidev met rames schirdeba gamoscoreba, magram wen xom saqartvelos mxolod bnel
certilad aghiqvam...
> shen ki ratomgac mxolod sashinels xedav
> garshemo. tu amdenad ar migidis guli sheertebul shtatebze, logikuri ikneboda
> sxvagan, upro misageb kveqanashi gecxovra. gana vinme gajalebs ak qopnas da
> tanjvas?
gana wen vinme gadzalebs aq kopnas, Levan? gana vinme gecinaaghmdegeba
saqartvelowi rom caxvide da korupcias ebrdzolo - kvelam vicit ra principuli
adamiani xar - ai principis miznit unda caxvide da aravis qrtami ar misce.
magram wen girchevnia aq komportwi cxovreba da "ebrdzolo" kovelive cuds
...saqartvelowi :-) radgan wen egeti srulkopili da unaklo adamiani xar, ar
wegepereba sadme sxvagan icxovro garda srulkopili da unaklo sazogadoebisa
rogoric aq gvevlineba, ara? mxolod aq iqneba wesadzlebeli kvela weni
potencialis ganxorcieleba. magram tu eseti srulkopilia es sazogadoeba, weni
nichi bevrs ver wematebs - cadi iq sadac weni nichi kvelaze did sargebels
moitans. tetrs upro ver gaatetreb, ai wavs cota tetrs tu daumateb ukve
nacrisperi iqneba - make a difference, Levan!
magram chvens woris - sul ar mexeba web an nana sad cxovrobt da ras aketebt.
aseve wenc - pirad saqmeebwi nu erevi da roca ar gtxoven rchevas nu idzlevi -
aqauri sazogadoebis principi.
M.
PS didi moutmenlobit veli wens "gamanadgurebel" pasuxs, magram dejanews
igvianebs xolme ase rom ar gegonos rom wemawine tu uceb ver gipasuxe:-)
PPS but you get too boring too soon :-(
nana
>
> Nana,
>
>
> Now regarding Kosovo, why are you so upset only now, when NATO bombs Serbs?
Beacuse it is setting a dangerous precendent. Also I forseen the further
escalation of this conflict and its real expansion. I am affreid that
many many lives can become victimes of shortsided american policy based
on the perfect airplanes and killing capacity of their bombs.
> Why are you rasing this issue now, not before when Serbs were killing
> innocent people?
Uh... there are so many conflicts in the World of the same character
that I even don't know from where to start.
It was upsetting for me that Russian airplanes were bombing civilians in
Sokhumi. What was their explanation? That Georgians were discriminating
poor Abkhazians.
As experienced georgian I can realize what exaclty happened in Kosovo
and Serbia. Tito (as communist) decided to give certain status to
Albanians, skipping any democratic lever ( like referendum and
statistical data on everage point of view), He himself decided what this
status exacly meant for Albanians, Serbians meanwhile had no right to
express democratically their point of view, after Albanians won the
quantity war in Kosovo, and really started to love the power granted by
communist leaders one hand wave. After communists were gone and new
government decided to change something, proud Albaninas already very
much used to the special rights didn't eccept any change and decided to
declare independence. Now they have quantity and support in the west.
West has no idea what is the backgrouhd of the problem. and that's it
the surgery with very expensive tools, bloody surgery is taking place
there. Where? in Balkans, in Europe, where many ambitions are colliding.
Comon it is very dengarous...
Do you need any explanation really?
Who sais that killing is good, but I remember many sources talking about
Chroatian "serbokos" ( special kiling tool for cuting the head of Serb),
Muslims feeding dogs with the brains of Serbs. Is it good? But this
doesn't make good the crime in the opposite direction too. But what west
does to stop it? Interfer and bomb?
It was better to take some time and read a little history and little
geography and little politics. Also start to belive that ethnicity
actually means something, at least at the place of the origination (
maybe not in USA, yet...).
Shortsided...
>Why not saying a word when NATO was bombing Saddam?
It was not the threat of the third warld war...
I can not imagine Russia and China and Ukraine and Bellorussia and
Turkey involved in any kind of action for Iraque.
But as I guess it was mistake to not say anything anout it. I see all
this started already in Iraque...
Nana
nana
Sadaa levanis sterili? ragac vera vxedav....
> > In article <36F9FD...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
> > nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> >
> > > lamisaa me-3 msoflio omi daitskos dedamitsaze
> >
> > nana, shen tkvi kartvelebi emociuri xalxi varto ( rac zogjer cudia, radgan
> > sinamdvilis scorad agkmas ushlis xels) da am shemtxvevashi amis magalitad
> > gvachvene. sanam movlenis orive mxares ar sheapaseb daskvnas nu gamoitan
> > torem naxevarkatamasavit iknebi an gapucebuli teleponivit. art vici romelia
> > uaresi.
morali kanonze magla davakenoto isaa martali xom? romeli morali? gana is
kvelas erti akvs?
tanac naxevarkatamas naxevarkatmulad rom davetanxmo mashin 1/4 chkuis
patroni viknebi.
>
> nutu ar ici levan romelia uaresi? wen gapuchebuli teleponis didi ostati xar
> tavad - rodis iko vinmes natqvams daetanxme - anda saertod kuri daugde?
ara...is mxolod shinagan xmas usmens!
> maw
> tu ara xar "naxevarkatama" agvighcere am movlenis orive mxare: romelia
> martali - is vinc bombavs tu is vinc klavs?
aba romelia mat shoris sheetebuli shtatebi?
ai romelic sheertebuli shtatebia isaa martali.
ager amxela ambavi xdeba da levani omobs amerikeli sakonsulos moxeleebis
dasacavad, krtams ar igebeno....
>
> > > NG romelic serbiis dabombvaze aravitar analizs ar idzleva simpatiebs ar
> > > imsaxurebs chemshi.
> >
> > es metad ucnauri sacqaoa. ratom maincdamainc serbiis dabombvam
> > gatkmevina da ara ati atasobis bosnielis jletvam?
> > shen zogadad sicocxlis mospobas mistiri tu mxolod kerjo jgupis >>ubedurebas?
sikvdilis sikvdilit moklvlis tsinaagmdegi var batono levan...
demagogebis tsinaagmdegi var kidev.
>
> chemi azrit nanas cerilwi sakmaod cxadad iko gamotqmuli misi gulis tkivili
> saertod omis wesaxeb - misi subject line "Re: balkaneti......Me-3?", ra
> me-3-zea laparaki? me-3 serbze? me-3 bombze? tu me-3 msoplio omze? modi da
> dagvimtkice rom gapuchebul telepons wen tviton ar tamawob, sxvis natqvamwi
> rac wen mogesurveba imas gebulob.
etkoba ver gebulobs. rac momesurveba marto imas gavigebo, ver gagebas
nishnavs.
>
> > > tumca srul uflebas gadzlevt makritikot amerikofiliis naklebobis gamo.
> >
> > uplebas aravin elis da kritikac araa saciro. ak amerikofiliazec araa saubari
> > aramed ubralo miukerjoeblobaze romelic ragaca kargis danaxvas mainc
> > shegajlebiebs amxela kveqanashi.
ver gavige?
>
> ra miukerdzoebazea laparaki? dzalian magonebs am rusul gamotqmas - kto ne za
> nas tot protiv nas. cudze kuradghebis gamaxvileba sulac ar niwnavs
> daunaxaobas - piriqit - niwnavs rom adamiani tetrisa da wavis garda sxva
> perebsac xedavs. wen ki mxolod or perad gaqvs qvekana dakopili. aq mravali
> ram aris kargi - magram bevr rames mainc schirdeba gamoscoreba. saqartvelowi
> kidev met rames schirdeba gamoscoreba, magram wen xom saqartvelos mxolod bnel
> certilad aghiqvam...
es kai iko... :-)
tanac daaxloebit gavige ratom unda viko mikerdzoebuli amerikuli bombebis
mimart. tumca ar momtsons rusuli bombebi soxumis tavze rom cvioda.
etkoba bombis tsarmoshobas hkonia didi mnishvneloba.
dges klinotoni apirebs serbebs auxsnas ratomaa kargi amerikuli bombebis
kvesh sikvdili. erti unda movusmino ikneb mec davijero.
levani ki mzadaa gaikces kosovoshi da tavi sheushviros pirvelive bombs
romelsac dainaxavs. ra jobia milionad shefasebuli amerikuli chamosxmis
bombi rom dagecema tavshi?
>
> > shen ki ratomgac mxolod sashinels xedav
> > garshemo. tu amdenad ar migidis guli sheertebul shtatebze, logikuri ikneboda
> > sxvagan, upro misageb kveqanashi gecxovra. gana vinme gajalebs ak qopnas da
> > tanjvas?
shengan gansxvavebit sadac problemas vxedav ik minda viko da xalxi ik
gadavarchino.
ai shen shoridan apireb kveknis gadarchenas. me ki shig shuagulshi var
da vapireb davexmaro irgvliv xalxs shennariebis shtamomavlebi rom
arian.
>
> gana wen vinme gadzalebs aq kopnas, Levan? gana vinme gecinaaghmdegeba
> saqartvelowi rom caxvide da korupcias ebrdzolo - kvelam vicit ra principuli
> adamiani xar - ai principis miznit unda caxvide da aravis qrtami ar misce.
shoridan uketesia omi. ager amerikelebits idzaxian vbombot, vbombot
magram ar mivuaxlovdeto. ver xvdebi? levanic shoridan bombavs emeilebit
sakartvelos.
> magram wen girchevnia aq komportwi cxovreba da "ebrdzolo" kovelive cuds
> ...saqartvelowi :-) radgan wen egeti srulkopili da unaklo adamiani xar, ar
> wegepereba sadme sxvagan icxovro garda srulkopili da unaklo sazogadoebisa
> rogoric aq gvevlineba, ara?
mec xom gamadzeva akedan sastsarafod? rogor vtsamlav amerikul garemos?
>mxolod aq iqneba wesadzlebeli kvela weni
> potencialis ganxorcieleba. magram tu eseti srulkopilia es sazogadoeba, weni
> nichi bevrs ver wematebs - cadi iq sadac weni nichi kvelaze did sargebels
> moitans. tetrs upro ver gaatetreb, ai wavs cota tetrs tu daumateb ukve
> nacrisperi iqneba
magram mag fers ver xedavs da....
ai sul tetrshi cxovrebas ra jobia.
> - make a difference, Levan!
Nothing matters for him! Only one - on who's side is USA?
nana
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lev...@my-dejanews.com
Marika <na...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
> In article <7dekdl$fji$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > torem naxevarkatamasavit iknebi an gapucebuli teleponivit. art vici romelia
> > uaresi.
>
> nutu ar ici levan romelia uaresi? wen gapuchebuli teleponis didi ostati xar
> tavad - rodis iko vinmes natqvams daetanxme -
orive cudia radgan movlenis scorad agkmas ushlis xels. serbetis dabombva
arainarad ar sheijleba oms gautoldes. datanxmebas ki aravitari kavshiri ar
akvs gapucebul telepntan. nachkarevad natkvamis shepaseba, da ar datanxmeba,
gapucebuli teleponis sacinaagmdego garantiaa.
> tu ara xar "naxevarkatama" agvighcere am movlenis orive mxare: romelia
> martali - is vinc bombavs tu is vinc klavs?
marika, paktia rom serbebma tavze xeli aiges, evropis shiagulshi sisxlis
mdinare daaqenes da titkims sherchat. qvelapers tavisi sazgvari akvs. am
shemtxvevashi sazgvari isaa rom tu aravian arapers izamda, serbebi asi
atasobit xalxs aqridnen da bosniaze uaress konflicts gaachagebded
> ra miukerdzoebazea laparaki? dzalian magonebs am rusul gamotqmas - kto ne za
> nas tot protiv nas. cudze kuradghebis gamaxvileba sulac ar niwnavs daunaxaobas
kritika erti, mikerjoebulad an gauazreblad ramis daskvna - meore. am
ukanasknelis bevri magaliti mogvca kerjod nanam da ara marto man. nanas rom
usmino am kveqanashi xalxi ukimod ixoceba da sakmis camocqeba sasikvdilo
saprtxes moitans, xolo qvela emigranti mxolod monebad surt amerikelebs.
shen tavad ekutvni samive kategorias; ikneb gamotkva sheni azri am
shexedulebaze?
> magram wen xom saqartvelos mxolod bnel certilad aghiqvam...
ratom agvikvam bnel certilad. me imas vambob rom normaluri sazogadeobis
chamosaqalibeblad garkveuli paktorebi unda arsebobdes. roca es ar arsesbos,
avgnishnav.
> gana wen vinme gadzalebs aq kopnas, Levan?
ra tkam unda ra da amitomacaa rom agresiulad ar var gancqobili akaurobisadmi.
am kveqanashi bevri ramea dasapasebeli da sasargeblo. ase rom ar iqos,
sakartvelosavit an rusetivit kaosur mdgomnareobashi ikneboda.
>gana vinme gecinaaghmdegeba saqartvelowi rom caxvide da korupcias ebrdzolo
marika amaze araa saubari. me rom sakartvelshi viqo da kartuli sazogadoebis
nebismier dargs vakritikebde, rom vijaxo rom xalxi golfs ar tamashobs an tans
ar ibans an teatrshi ar dadis da amis gamo suli ara akvs, uvargisi xalxia,
logikuri ikneba vinmem mitxras tu amdeni ram gagizianebs ikneb upro misgeb
garemoshi gadaxvideo. kritik ertia xolo agresiuli gmoba meore.
> radgan wen egeti srulkopili da unaklo adamiani xar, ar
> wegepereba sadme sxvagan icxovro garda srulkopili da unaklo sazogadoebisa
es tiradacs upro gavs vidre normalur komentars
>make a difference, Levan!
madlobt, vecdebi. tumca es marto chemze araa damokidebuli. mtkemls gamgonec
unda.
> magram dejanews
> igvianebs xolme ase rom ar gegonos rom wemawine tu uceb ver gipasuxe:-)
ikneb shen tvli amas brjolad. chemtvis ki araniri mnishvneloba ar akvs ras
izam.
Levani
nana
>
>
> Now, please, anyone explain me WHY nato is bombing serbians? don't give me
> that b... about protecting albanians. Albanians are just being sucrificed,
> used as an excuse. Wait to see what will be excuse for deploying ground
> troops - serbians are retalitating against albanians - so we need troops
> there. So question again - why? to test new weapons, war planes? for clinton
> to be remembered for something else besides monica?...
>
Marika, I myself am very confused. I have no idea what is a real reason.
He can not be so stupid to belive that angry Serbs will treat Albanians
better. He can not be so stupid to belive that Bombs will destroy
kalashnikovs in the hands of soldiers of both sides.
So what does he want?
War?
Or he makes year 2000 compliance test in Serbia ( to see how equipment
functions?)?
Maybe he is affraid of the possible economical collapse of USA?
Maybe he is a secret friend of Nostradamus and was told that it is time
for the next bloodshed?
Maybe he needs christian muslim war?
And what we ordinary citizens can change?
nana
BesikiNews
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Nana,
>
> I can't agree with you that this NG (or Georgians in general) are
> Americophils (your term).
>
> understand why Russians are upset (it hurts their national pride) but why
> you? I can also understand Besiki who supports Serbs only because they are
> the same religion as us! Altough this sounds weird to me, to support killers
> only because of religion?
====
Besiki - I am supporting Serbs not only because they are Orthodox Christians
but can make a difference from bad Orthodox "Serbians" and good Muslim
"Albanians". Albanians are just excuse here, the war not started just few
days ago and there is no doubt that NATO bombed Serbia even several month ago
and there was not Albanian problem yet rise. If you make extremist Albanians
as a peaceful people then Abkhazians are among them too. So, Russia was right
then protecting "Abkhazian" people from a "Georgian gladiators"... Russia
has her interest to protect Serbia, there is nothing in religion and Russian
goverment is not Orthodox at all but more atheist. As we know Russia didn't
help Orthodox Georgia at all and was on Muslims side in the war in Abkhazia.
Here Russia just wants to play a "tough guy", to remind a world that "I am
here, I am watching you:) and don't forget that Moscow is third Rome".
Judging a nation without knowing their real history and situation I think
it's not acceptable for world understanding of the facts. If you blame
Serbians because they were a reason that First World War started you are
wrong. Indeed the king of Austria was killed by Serbian man but he was just a
robber and nothing else. This fact is known for everyone. There was a
different reason starting the war even then too and don't think that Russia
and England really cared about Serbians during this war. Everyone has it's
own interest on others land or history. Capitalist countries interest is
only a money (example Quvait), Russia's interest often is a lend, Muslim's
interest is a lend and killing Christians to enter into "Muslim" paradise
(killing Christians is a warranty for Muslims to have a place in Heavenly
Kingdom). Those are main facts often why the war starts. War not so often
starts because of some "discrimination", but main reason always is money,
land and power. Serbia, Georgia, Vietnam are examples of that. MOney is a
power, power is a money...
Regards, Besiki Sisauri
-BesikiNews-
http://angelfire.com/ga/georgian/enter.html
Richard Philippe Church
> > Now regarding Kosovo, why are you so upset only now, when NATO bombs Serbs?
>
> Illarion, I don't think she was upset for that exact reason. Just read her
> first sentence. And then she expressed regret that no one here even mentioned
> this bombing (as well as no one here had any conserns about Iraqi bombings at
> the time).
>
> > What's wrong with you guys? Everyone realized that it's impossible to deal
> > further with Milosevic. There is no choice left! Serbs are fucking
> > aggressors! The whole Balcan story proved this. The last piece is Kosovo.
>
> If what you say is right - that the only way to deal with killers is to bomb
> their country - then almost whole africa should lay in ruins. But it doesn't -
> can you tell me why?
Because conflicts in Africa do not present an immediate threat to the European
community. A civil war in Europe's backyard does. NATO is simply acting in the
best interest of its members -- there's no mystery here.
Also, there is a HUGE difference between a conventional war in Yugoslavia with
Serbians armed with tanks, rockets and jet fighters, and the hand-to-hand
guerilla style campaigns happening in Africa. The Americans have no desire to
repeat the sort of dirty ground level combat they experienced in Ethiopia. As for
Rwanda, let not kid ourselves: 'smart bombs' were never designed for use against
mobs armed with machetes.
> Now, please, anyone explain me WHY nato is bombing serbians?
What would you expect NATO to do? Back down? Give up?
Milosevich rejected all attempts at finding a peacefull settlement. His record
clearly shows him to be a man with a primitive mind capable of nothing other than
chauvinism, hatred, and wreckless aggression.
Europe has no need for such a dangerous man...
Thank God the political situation in Georgia is evolving in a different direction
than Yugoslavia.
Richard
Marika
Richard Philippe Church <rch...@lweb.net> wrote:
> Marika wrote:
> > can you tell me why?
>
> Because conflicts in Africa do not present an immediate threat to the European
> community. A civil war in Europe's backyard does. NATO is simply acting in the
> best interest of its members -- there's no mystery here.
Oh stupid me, so naive - of course they were threatened and had to defend
themselves. Milosevic - a new Hitler has to be stopped before it is too late.
Now there is no Soviet Union, and new Hitler has no use. And would be good too
to show Russians what NATO would do with anybody who didn't play by rules.
> Also, there is a HUGE difference between a conventional war in Yugoslavia with
> Serbians armed with tanks, rockets and jet fighters, and the hand-to-hand
> guerilla style campaigns happening in Africa. The Americans have no desire to
> repeat the sort of dirty ground level combat they experienced in Ethiopia. As
for
> Rwanda, let not kid ourselves: 'smart bombs' were never designed for use
against
> mobs armed with machetes.
Let's agree on one thing - genocide is genocide no matter by whom and with
what as killing tool, also no matter where - in africa or europe. If NATO is
acting out of its own interests - they should say so, they should say what
those interests are and what they are trying to acomplish. This bombing will
do no good for Albanians, on the contrary, now they are in bigger danger.
> > Now, please, anyone explain me WHY nato is bombing serbians?
>
> What would you expect NATO to do? Back down? Give up?
No, why - let's start 3rd world war. You know, when one holds such a power -
when by one his step whole history can change, when his decision might lead to
total chaos - he ought to be more careful - it isn't about "backing down" or
"standing firm", or even showing off, it is about people's lives.
> Milosevich rejected all attempts at finding a peacefull settlement. His record
> clearly shows him to be a man with a primitive mind capable of nothing other
than
> chauvinism, hatred, and wreckless aggression.
>
> Europe has no need for such a dangerous man...
So all this is about one man? like Iraq has nobody in it except Saddam. We
don't like Milosevich let's kill them all.
Do you have any idea how it is to be in war zone, how it is to be afraid
every moment for your life and lives of your family members. But news here is
entertainment - war is perfect thing for media to cover. And most of people
get false feeling that this - those crazy things they are talking about on TV
will never happen to them. It must be so nice to be entartained by news and
pictures of burning buildings sitting in comfy chair, and feel genuine pride
and selfadmiration when they show this new warplanes - first time in action.
> Thank God the political situation in Georgia is evolving in a different
direction
> than Yugoslavia.
How much different? there was war too. And depending from what angle you look
(ask russian "friends") some might very well compare georgians to serbs.
The bombing isn't solution, it worsens situation handred times. What makes
you think that Milosevic will back down now or later. This may last for
years. How long do you think Saddam will stay in power? And how long will
Milosevic? such a mess...
Marika
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> datanxmebas ki aravitari kavshiri ar
> akvs gapucebul telepntan. nachkarevad natkvamis shepaseba, da ar datanxmeba,
> gapucebuli teleponis sacinaagmdego garantiaa.
es unda gadmomitargmno raime gasageb enaze. ise, tu teleponi gagipuchda
gamoidzaxe "masteri"
> marika, paktia rom serbebma tavze xeli aiges, evropis shiagulshi sisxlis
> mdinare daaqenes da titkims sherchat. qvelapers tavisi sazgvari akvs. am
> shemtxvevashi sazgvari isaa rom tu aravian arapers izamda, serbebi asi
> atasobit xalxs aqridnen da bosniaze uaress konflicts gaachagebded
exla ki kvelaperi gasagebia. am tavxelaghebul serbebs egre mouxdeba - tuki
amdeni xalxis gajletas apirebdnen. albat kurwi chagchurchula tavad
milosevichma. tu televizorma ase tqva da wenc imeoreb?
> kritika erti, mikerjoebulad an gauazreblad ramis daskvna - meore. am
> ukanasknelis bevri magaliti mogvca kerjod nanam da ara marto man.
ra upro gaghizianebs nanasi - qali romaa da wengan gansxvavebuli azri rom
aqvs, tu qali romaa da saertod azrebi rom utrialebs tavwi. da kidevac imas
bedavs rom saqveknod cers!!!!
> nanas rom
> usmino am kveqanashi xalxi ukimod ixoceba da sakmis camocqeba sasikvdilo
> saprtxes moitans, xolo qvela emigranti mxolod monebad surt amerikelebs.
> shen tavad ekutvni samive kategorias; ikneb gamotkva sheni azri am
> shexedulebaze?
romel sam kategorias vekutvni? emigranti - kargi batono, var. vinmes tu me
monad vundivar da pantaziebi acuxebs... :-) sxva? ah, eqimtan vkopilvar da
vmuwaob - jer aravis mouklivar magistvis. meti ra gainteresebs?
ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor daamones, da
mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
> > gana wen vinme gadzalebs aq kopnas, Levan?
>
> ra tkam unda ra da amitomacaa rom agresiulad ar var gancqobili akaurobisadmi.
> am kveqanashi bevri ramea dasapasebeli da sasargeblo. ase rom ar iqos,
> sakartvelosavit an rusetivit kaosur mdgomnareobashi ikneboda.
ah, e.i. sheni principia ar ukbino im xels romelic gachmevs. kargi principia,
verapers vitkvi. ubralod adamiani dzaghli ar aris. dzaghli patrons ar unda
kbendes, torem... magram qvekana da saxelmcipo calkeuli pirovnebis patroni ar
aris. adamians tu rame ar moscons unda gamotqvas, torem es weni "dasapasebeli
da sasargeblo" ganiavdeba camwi.
> >gana vinme gecinaaghmdegeba saqartvelowi rom caxvide da korupcias ebrdzolo
>
> marika amaze araa saubari. me rom sakartvelshi viqo da kartuli sazogadoebis
> nebismier dargs vakritikebde, rom vijaxo rom xalxi golfs ar tamashobs an tans
> ar ibans an teatrshi ar dadis da amis gamo suli ara akvs, uvargisi xalxia,
> logikuri ikneba vinmem mitxras tu amdeni ram gagizianebs ikneb upro misgeb
> garemoshi gadaxvideo. kritik ertia xolo agresiuli gmoba meore.
is rasac wen cer (titqos da nanas gamonatqvami - rac martali ar aris) erti
usazghvrobaa, misi sacinaaghmdego ki is aris rom sul himnebi umghero da cxadi
nakli ar daunaxo qvekanas da sazogadoebas. sadghac wuawi aris simartle.
tu vinmes nostalgia acuxebs - normaluria. magram tu vinme mxolod imas
gaidzaxis "ai es ra kargi vqeni rom camovedi, es ra zghaprul adgilas amovkavi
tavi, daicvas da daingres iqauroba uchemod, tqven qartvelebo - asetebo da
isetebo" - es ki normaluri araa, miutitebs imas rom pirovnebas raghaca
acuxebs - weidzleba is rom ver miaghcia imas razec ocnebobda? an iqneb guls
ar itexs da tavis tavs cdilobs daajeros - es ra kargad cxovrobs da ra
bednieria. tavis tavs weidzleba kidev moatkuebs, magram sxvebs vera...
> > radgan wen egeti srulkopili da unaklo adamiani xar, ar
> > wegepereba sadme sxvagan icxovro garda srulkopili da unaklo sazogadoebisa
>
> es tiradacs upro gavs vidre normalur komentars
oh, turme gesmis gansxvaveba! :-)
Richard Philippe Church
> In article <36FBC8EC...@lweb.net>,
> Richard Philippe Church <rch...@lweb.net> wrote:
> > Marika wrote:
> > > can you tell me why?
> > Because conflicts in Africa do not present an immediate threat to the European
> > community. A civil war in Europe's backyard does. NATO is simply acting in the
> > best interest of its members -- there's no mystery here.
> Oh stupid me, so naive - of course they were threatened and had to defend
> themselves.
No need to be insulting. If you don't like having your question answered, don't ask
it in the first place.
> Let's agree on one thing - genocide is genocide no matter by whom and with
> what as killing tool, also no matter where - in africa or europe. If NATO is
> acting out of its own interests - they should say so, they should say what
> those interests are and what they are trying to acomplish. This bombing will
> do no good for Albanians, on the contrary, now they are in bigger danger.
Bigger danger? What could be worse to an Albanian in Kosovo than the current
practice of mass destruction, ethnic cleansing, and genocide?
> > > Now, please, anyone explain me WHY nato is bombing serbians?
> > What would you expect NATO to do? Back down? Give up?
> No, why - let's start 3rd world war. You know, when one holds such a power -
> when by one his step whole history can change, when his decision might lead to
> total chaos - he ought to be more careful - it isn't about "backing down" or
> "standing firm", or even showing off, it is about people's lives.
Precisely, its about people's lives.
If NATO does not act in defense of the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, what do you think
would happen to their lives?
> > Milosevich rejected all attempts at finding a peacefull settlement. His record
> > clearly shows him to be a man with a primitive mind capable of nothing other
> > than chauvinism, hatred, and wreckless aggression.
> > Europe has no need for such a dangerous man...
> So all this is about one man? like Iraq has nobody in it except Saddam. We
> don't like Milosevich let's kill them all.
Let's not exaggerate... You know perfectly well that the NATO is not waging war
against the Serbian people. The air action is against military targets -- not
civilians.
> Do you have any idea how it is to be in war zone, how it is to be afraid
> every moment for your life and lives of your family members.
This is exactly why NATO is acting in defense of the Albanians in Kosovo...
> The bombing isn't solution, it worsens situation handred times. What makes
> you think that Milosevic will back down now or later. This may last for
> years. How long do you think Saddam will stay in power? And how long will
> Milosevic? such a mess...
Yes, it is a mess. But the fact remains, the West doesn't want to see a repeat like
the Serbian massacres in shrebonitsa... Like it or not, NATO is not prepared to
allow for a genocide to occur in Yugoslavia.
Regards,
Richard
Alligator
>functions?)?
ballistic missiles) & nuclear warheads in general... Conventional weapons
are okay...
>Maybe he is affraid of the possible economical collapse of USA?
Jvari gvceria :)
>Maybe he is a secret friend of Nostradamus and was told that it is time
>for the next bloodshed?
I think that was on 97, I hope we've passed that point ( knocking on the
wood & crossin g fingers )...
>Maybe he needs christian muslim war?
Hmm, more reasonable to bomb muslims then?
>And what we ordinary citizens can change?
Have to disappoint you nothing.
--
Have fun,
Alligator
http://www.zvis.com
Alligator
>clebshi, nebadartuli iko Amerikidan. Rom ar sdomebodat, arc mohdeboda.
Sokhumi & Tbilisi? THe other side - U got permission to strike only Sokhumi,
don't touch Tbilisi or U won't get candies fro tonight...
They just didn't care IMHO :)
Alligator
>this bombing (as well as no one here had any conserns about Iraqi bombings
at
>the time).
LOL, sure, everyone was busy watching Monikas goodies those days, last
time I mean, before that it was different :)
>> further with Milosevic. There is no choice left! Serbs are fucking
Watch UR lang :)
>> aggressors! The whole Balcan story proved this. The last piece is Kosovo.
HOw would U know? Have U seen the movie "Wag the dog"? If no watch it,
if yes watch it again & think...
>If what you say is right - that the only way to deal with killers is to
bomb
>their country - then almost whole africa should lay in ruins. But it
doesn't -
>can you tell me why?
I think not enough bombs :) + THis kind of actiona are not for fun & not
only to serve justice, those have veryu practical reasons to be performed &
I guess nothign in Africa yet :) Thogh some experiments were conducted in
Somali :)
>If they aren't careful - might be that it is not too long left before whole
>europe lays in ruins. All those people hate eachother - just give them a
>reason.
I don't think that wester europe or even most of the europe wants that
:)
>there. So question again - why? to test new weapons, war planes? for
clinton
That's very important issue FYI :) + War is billions to certain very
powerful people :) Why the war in chechnia was like whatever it was?
Billions were collected by some people...
>to be remembered for something else besides monica?...
LOL, I think no, unless he starts WW III this on ewill be sticking on
him as a major acheevement :) Although most of the people think somehow that
th epoint was monikas BJ :) FUnny, shows what's in their heads...
BesikiNews
> orive cudia radgan movlenis scorad agkmas ushlis xels. serbetis dabombva
> arainarad ar sheijleba oms gautoldes...
===
Besiki - amashi getanxmebi, magram tu es ase gagrdzelda shesadzloa msoflio
omshits ki gadaizardos. es arts ki iqneba gasakviri...
====
> marika, paktia rom serbebma tavze xeli aiges, evropis shiagulshi
>sisxlis
> mdinare daaqenes da titkims sherchat. qvelapers tavisi sazgvari akvs....
>Levani
====
Besiki - ras nishnavs tavze xeli aiges? chven titqmis araferi vitsit iq ra
xdeba da saertod martlats vin vis avitsrovebs - Serbebsa tu Albanelebs.
ramdenadats chemtvis tsnobilia muslimanma Albanelebma moitxoves axali
avtonomiuri respublikis chamokalibeba, rasats mokva Serbebis agshfoteba; ise
tu paralels gavavlebt Abxazettan, igive situatsiaa, mxolod im gansxvavebit
rom Abxazebs maints hqondat romelime xavsze xeli moekidat da Albanelebs ki
saertod ara hqondat amis ufleba; imisits ki rom amaze efiqrat. Serbiashi
mtsxovrebi Albanelebs tu sheadareb Albanel Albanelebs uketesad tsxovrobdnen.
im dros rotsa Albanetshi sakutari moqalaqe ramdenime tslis tsin rigshi idga
tveobit rom raime fexsatsmeli sheedzina, mashin Serbieli Albanelebi
"Adidas-ebit blataobdnen da italiuri fexsatsmelze shav laks usvamdnen"; mati
tsxovrebis done titqmis 99%-it uketesi iko Albanetis gansxvavebit. Albanetshi
ori didi "dajgufebaa": martlmadidebeli da muslimani Albanelebi da Serbebs
mxolod muslimanebis tskalobit gauchnda problema. unda avgnishno rom Serbebi
martlats gamoirchevian "hot" sisxlit da tsota fxukula xalxia, magram ara
mgonia rom mat es omi undodet, mat ukve bevrjer naxes amis ubedureba tvit
pirveli msoflio omis tsinats ki. unda aginishnos isits rom Serbebi ki
sargebloben Slavuri enit, magram isini temperamentit ufro berdznebs gvanan,
amshi kargad dartsmundebit tu mousment mat musikas da shexedavt rogor
moqmedeben. isini sulats ar arian is tsivi "rusebi" romelta tskalobitats sxva
slavur xalxebs saxeli gaufuchdat. erti ram tsxadia, am omshi Serbebis
tsinaagmdeg brdzolaa gamotsxadebuli; es uknaskneli ki Amerikam didi xania
daitsko tvit satelevizio filmebis meshveobitats ki. filmebi ki unergavs bevr
rigit Amerikelebs "natel saxes" rialobisa. rom turme meore msoflio omi mat
moiges, rom turme Iaponia daesxa tavs Amerikas:), turme Vietnamma mimarta mat
txovnit gadarchenisa; turme Rusebi mxolod "bushlatebita da kuriani qudebit"
dadian, turme Chinelebs Amerikuli "juvachkebi" mostsondat sakutari qveknis
tavisuflebaze metad, turme Quveitis mosaxleoba sastik shevitsrovebashi iko,
turme .... da ase shemdeg. xo, martla, sad aris Abxazetis problema? an 9
Aprili? sad gauchinarda "tavisufali samartaldamtsveli" qveknebis samartal
ganacheni. an saertod itsian kia msoflioshi tu ra gadavitanet an ra gvelis
momavalshi.
Besiki
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lev...@my-dejanews.com
> lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > datanxmebas ki aravitari kavshiri ar
> > akvs gapucebul telepntan. nachkarevad natkvamis shepaseba, da ar datanxmeba,
> > gapucebuli teleponis sacinaagmdego garantiaa.
>
> es unda gadmomitargmno raime gasageb enaze. ise, tu teleponi gagipuchda
> gamoidzaxe "masteri"
>
siamovnebit. shen tkvi me gapucebuli teleponis nimushi viqavi imitom rom aravis
vetanxmebodi. gapucebuli teleponi nishnavs natkvamis damaxinjebulad gadacemas,
mas datanxmebastan metad shoreuli kavshiri akvs. xolo roca natkvams an danaxuls
zustad shiecnob, kritikulad shepaseb, tavs kitxav sheijleba gagebuli sinamdviles
sheeperebodes, da amis shemdeg daijereb an ukuagedeb, amit arsebobas gaiadvileb.
gapucebuli telepnis magalitis am shemtxvevashi serbetis dabombis gamo me-3
msoplioomze laparaki. aranairi realur paktei da movlenis analizi ar udevs aset
azrs sapujvlad. xolo tu daijere, umizezid idardeb ararsebul rameze.
> tu televizorma ase tqva da wenc imeoreb?
tu es cqaro sazoagdodo sandoaa agiarebuli, ra tkma unda gavimeoreb. pizikurad
sheujlebeli qvela movlenis pirvel pirshi gacnoba, me tavad mxolod cignshi
camikitxavs rom atomi arsebob magram amis gamo ar uarvqob am pakts.
> ra upro gaghizianebs nanasi - qali romaa da wengan gansxvavebuli azri rom
> aqvs, tu qali romaa da saertod azrebi rom utrialebs tavwi. da kidevac imas
an excellent example of a red herring,. argumentebi geleva marika?
> emigranti - kargi batono, var. vinmes tu me
> monad vundivar da pantaziebi acuxebs... :-) sxva? ah, eqimtan vkopilvar da
> vmuwaob - jer aravis mouklivar magistvis. meti ra gainteresebs?
meti araperi. as is ki minda rom nanam da sxvebma is dainaxon sxav emigrantebsac
daaxloebit shennairi da chemnairi gamocdileba akvt da ara iseti nana rom agcers.
> ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor daamones, da
> mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
saintereso isaa marika nana tavis tavze ar lakaparkobs radgan msgavsi gamocdielaba
ar konia, igi qoveltvis vigac nacnobze an nacnobis megobarze laparkobs. tumca
rogorc xedav bsikic da sxvebic ase ikcevian. aset shemtxvevashi kvlav gapucebuli
teleponis saprtxe ikmneba.
> > > gana wen vinme gadzalebs aq kopnas, Levan?
> >
> > ra tkam unda ra da amitomacaa rom agresiulad ar var gancqobili akaurobisadmi.
> e.i. sheni principia ar ukbino im xels romelic gachmevs. kargi principia,
chemi principia gaazrebuli da paktebze dapujnebuli msjeloba. me mimachnia rom
qvela ganatlebul adamins ragac normebi unda kondes romlis mixedvit gagonilis
haiharad gameoreba, kritikuli analizis gareshe, daushvebelia
> is rasac wen cer (titqos da nanas gamonatqvami - rac martali ar aris) erti
> usazghvrobaa, misi sacinaaghmdego ki is aris rom sul himnebi umghero da cxadi
> nakli ar daunaxo qvekanas da sazogadoebas. sadghac wuawi aris simartle.
ra tkma unda. me aranair himns ar vmger garda 'amazing grace'isa
nana
>
> What would you expect NATO to do? Back down? Give up?
Be careful...
Many of you are on dangerous path of selfgorification.
Perfaps Hitler could say the same: "what can we do - My geatest german
arian race? sit back an wait? until those evil bastards will destroy the
world?"
Stop to think as missionaries! You are not.
It is nothing more then mental illness: Psycopathic delussion.
As Georgians say everyone is a wisard in the other's war.
It means noone is wisard.
I was affreid of this honestly when saw the extent of selfglorification
and extent of ignorence about the world. You as sheeps can follow any
idiot to improve the world.
So sad and so familiar....
Ask russians how they helped the world to become better.
nana
--
nana
> How much different? there was war too.
Don't say this marika...
They can start to improve us too. With the "Bombs of Democracy".
>And depending from what angle you look
> (ask russian "friends") some might very well compare georgians to >serbs.
Clinton didn't say this yet.
Where is a map?
First he will discover us himself,
after will decide to improve us,
next thing he will teach "best new race" where we are ---shameless
backward bastards.
After they will respond to others on the net.
"what could we do? sit back and wait?"
>
> The bombing isn't solution, it worsens situation handred times. What makes
> you think that Milosevic will back down now or later.
Probably he would obey to the masters if they arrupted his children in
the backyard.
Everybody judges others from their own perceptions.
West aliniated Serbs for centuries but this is not a problem. with those
perfect airplanes and bombs they can simply arase them from the picture.
>This may last for
> years. How long do you think Saddam will stay in power? And how long will
> Milosevic? such a mess...
Mess is first of all in the heads of supereducated representatives of
new race.
There is such a mess that they even can not hear us.
nana
>
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nana
>
> > nanas rom
> > usmino am kveqanashi xalxi ukimod ixoceba da sakmis camocqeba sasikvdilo
> > saprtxes moitans, xolo qvela emigranti mxolod monebad surt amerikelebs.
> > shen tavad ekutvni samive kategorias; ikneb gamotkva sheni azri am
> > shexedulebaze?
>
> romel sam kategorias vekutvni? emigranti - kargi batono, var. vinmes tu me
> monad vundivar da pantaziebi acuxebs... :-) sxva? ah, eqimtan vkopilvar da
> vmuwaob - jer aravis mouklivar magistvis. meti ra gainteresebs?
>
> ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor daamones, da
> mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
auh ar gamagijo...
jer momkles da mere damamones tu jer damamones da mere momkles?
me megona xumrobda batoni levani chems tserilebs agshfotebul pasuxebs
rom scemda. turme es ra gaugia? etkoba sastikad shehsfotda rogor tu
mokleso? mereda rogor tserso...
ise maxsovs rom vutxari "as good as it gets" naxe tko. magram magi marto
stiven seagals ukurebs da mekrtameobas ebrdzvis chuk norisis triukebit.
axla bombebsac amzadebs albat rogorc kvekanata gamostsorebis sauketeso
sashualebas. magram jer umjobesia tavis kinkrixoze gamocados, naxos
rogor eameba: rogor demokratiul gluionebs sheigrdznobs misi arseba.
nacrisferze valaparakebi da shavad echveneba. unda xbosavit
vchklopinebde kovel dge: "tetria!!! ra tetria!!!"
sircxvili me.
ver gaige amdeni xani marika vinaa martali?
shavsa da tetrs vegar archev?
ra shvebi tavs igupav, gogo?
sircxvili shenc.
sircxvili shen, sircxvili me... (kartuli simgera)
:-)
nana
lev...@my-dejanews.com
>
> Marika wrote:
>
> > ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor
> > daamones, da mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
nana, martali gitxra axla mikvirs aseti rame rogor ar tkvi akamde.
magram ak me shens adrindel monatxrobebs vgulisxmobdi. magalitad, shen
tkvi:
"I have heared the other similar story. Like one emigrant tried to have
a
track and deliver the food to different areas in US. Some guys stopped
him and told that he was working on their territory and if he wouldn't
stop doing this he would be killed. So this emigrant stop his
business..."
da mere daamate:
"...and is invloved in supermarket cleaning activities as many of us are
wellcome to do."
"many of us are wellcome"? asetia sheni, chemi, marikas, besikis,
zviadis, orive datos, gia gaprindashvilis, kidev uamravi sxva kartvelis
gamocdileba? asetia uamrai sxva emigrantis gamocdileba?
es dainaxe emgrantebis gamocdilebashi upiratesad? tu shen gaunatebel
vinmeze laparakob romelic sxva ramistvis jnelad tu gamodgeba?
shemdeg am pirovnebaze ganmarte rom :
"Case I mentioned is not about my friend, but i guess i know why that
man didn't report this case in police. He was frightened. Especially by
American movies where police appears always last."
"I guess"? sainteresoa am mizezze vinmem gitxra tu shen askvni?
shemdeg, am kveqnis sahisnel surats xatav:
" Yes, and that's why many people are even scared to consider to have
babies. They long time ago gave up the idea to count on someone else's
nobelity and help. ;-) If you don't have money and without insurance you
will decide to do what people with insurance do, you can turn into
bankrupt, or your dear kid can grow who knows what (remember you won't
afford good neiborhood, consequently good school, drug free zone and so
on and so on). As a result your kid can be killed in the street by some
drug dealer just because you decided to become a bankrupt by giving
birth to him or her. It is not direct murder so let's don't think about
it. Murderer is hipotetical drug dealer. :-) Or you think only about
high class? Who always has money? They feel nice in Georgia too. What
about Getos in New York?
ramdenadac vici garibebs, da gansakutrebit shavkanian garibebs,
shviebis mravlad qavt. tanac bevri matgani saxlemcipo daxmarebazea da
mainc axerxebs shvielbis agzrdas, tumca ki sashish garemoshi.
samcuaxrod is cerili ver vipovne romlshic kartvel jijebs monebad
axasiaeb. arerti matganistvis ar daujalebiat gadiebad mushaoba.
mona tavisi nebit ar midis monatmplobeltan. magram kvemod
gamochndeba tu rogor giqvars paktebis gamukeba :-)
> nacrisferze valaparakebi da shavad echveneba.
romelia nacrisperze laparakis numishi: gakotrebis moshishahi
amerikelebis mier shvilebis arqola tu eseni:
"You pay 80000 for simple surgery"
$80,000 simple surgery? what kind?
"If I am confusing something why I saw my close friend urging me to not
take her to hospital since she didn't have insurance? I thought she was
dying..."
You thought she was dying? why not 'she was seriously ill' or 'she was
in severe pain'? Not surprising that you think the third world was is
upons us :-)
ho martla romel mesame msoplio omze laparakob?
levani
Marika
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I'm impressed!!! levan you really did your homework - its saturday, dont'
you really have nothing better to do? :-)
Nana, leavan who spent whole Saturday and not only just this Saturday
putting together together case againts you - where you were on May 24,
1997 from 2:15PM till 3:10PM? admit it Nana! you must have visited doctor
at that time and now you say that you'd rather die then go to doctor!
According to your postings, Nana, you are guilty of liyng and prejudice.
From the way you talk about truckers we can prove that you were illegaly
transporting oranges from Florida. Also you probably poisoned your
neighbor's cat, that's so clear from your recent posting with the subject
"me-3?", that cat lived in the third house from you! Be careful - we are
watching you!
That is so typical georgian feature - collect all the "info" and build
"theories" and levan, you deny that you are georgian?! Why did you need
all this "material". Any of us can do it, can go back and check on
eachother - it is just that you aren't credible and Nana is, and you feel
it, that's why you needed "prove".
But this won't help you. You are phoney and your postings are phoney. Nana
sometimes is too emotional and says things few would dare to say, but she
is open, and anybody can feel that she isn't pretending, is writing
whatever she feels.
Do you want prove that you are phoney? For example - you have no standing
on the issue of bombing. You didn't until you saw Nana's posting. Then
suddenly big urge to write something worth of "genius" possesed you once
again and here the result - since you never had any standing on that issue
you switched to personal insults - area much more known and comfortable
for you.
See I can psycologicaly evaluate you too. Isn't it wonderful - so easy and
so much fun!!! :-)
BesikiNews
> >
> > Marika wrote:
> >
> > > ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor
> > > daamones, da mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
>
> > jer momkles da mere damamones tu jer damamones da mere momkles?
>
> nana, martali gitxra axla mikvirs aseti rame rogor ar tkvi akamde.
> magram ak me shens adrindel monatxrobebs vgulisxmobdi. magalitad, shen
===
BESIKI - ra shuashia es Nanas dzvelli natqvamebi rom gamogiqeqia? maints ver
mivxvdi..., albat ragatsa gamomrcha tsasakitxavi; da maints, sad balkaneti da
sad vigats mfrinavi misha?
===
...(cut)..
> "many of us are wellcome"? asetia sheni, chemi, marikas, besikis,
> zviadis, orive datos, gia gaprindashvilis, kidev uamravi sxva kartvelis
> gamocdileba? asetia uamrai sxva emigrantis gamocdileba?
> es dainaxe emgrantebis gamocdilebashi upiratesad? tu shen gaunatebel
> vinmeze laparakob romelic sxva ramistvis jnelad tu gamodgeba?
=== BESIKI - maints ristvis unda gamodges chveni emigrantebi ar vitsi... mat
diplomsats ar stvlian arafers. shen tsarmoidgine moskovis lomonosovis
diplomsat rom daitsuneben da indoetis "derevnushkebis" diploms rom
vasha-vashati xvdebian... tumtsa zogs umartlebs. gaachnia ra erovnebis
qartveli xar, ra tsodna gaqvs (kompiterebis programistebs xshirad
umartldebat), magram umetesoba aq sul mitsidan itskebs tsxovrebas. me rom
Tbilisshi universiteti davamtavre turme amattvis skolis donezets ara kofila:)
ara mgonia chven axalgazrdebs ra gind zarmatsebits isini ar kofilikvnen vinme
tetia Amerikushkam ajobos, mati sizmari xom itsi "Imagine yourself in the
MERCURY":) or "Did somebody say McDonallds?" - Maybe, but not me:) "Chelovek
cheloveku volk" - albat gaxsovs es sitkvebi "Pasportidan". da asetsaa aq, da
samtsuxarod, ara marto aq.
====
>(C-U-T)...
> ramdenadac vici garibebs, da gansakutrebit shavkanian garibebs,
> shviebis mravlad qavt.
===
Besiki - ratom ar ekolebat ra, saxelmtsifo mat kvelafers adzlevs, shen fulsats
ki Levan. ai rames rom kidulob tugind botl "Pepsi-Kolas" xom ixdi sakmaod
gadasaxads (tax), sad midis es fuli xidebis shesaketeblad tu skolis
ketildgeobaze? zangebs imitom hkavt bevri shvilebi rom rats ufro meti ekolebat
mit ufro met daxmarebas miigeben saxemtsifosagan. vaa, fuli ki mat ukvart da
gansakutrebit ki rats ushromelad modis. fuls bankshi ar inaxaven "velferebze"
zian da tanats chumad zogan advil samushaosats asruleben. male ramodnime
tselshi Amerikis shavi mosaxleoba gadaacharbebs tetrebs mere ki naxav aq
"kanosa da simartles".
===
>tanac bevri matgani saxlemcipo daxmarebazea da
> mainc axerxebs shvielbis agzrdas, tumca ki sashish garemoshi.
===
BESIKI - tu saxelmtsifo gadagixdis sakmao fuls shents ikolieb albat 9-amde
shvils, ratomats ara.
==
>
> samcuaxrod is cerili ver vipovne romlshic kartvel jijebs monebad
> axasiaeb.
====
Besiki - amaze nu gairjebi Levan, vitsit Nana ra tsudits aris:)
da saertod iqneb sjobdes rom datmobazets gadaxvide zogjer. da tu ginda maints
"chidaoba" me gamomitsvie, vanxot vin moereva:)
===
>arerti matganistvis ar daujalebiat gadiebad mushaoba.
> mona tavisi nebit ar midis monatmplobeltan.
====
Besiki - mona tavisi fexit ar midioda, mas hkididnen an aidzulebdnen
dzaglebisa da sholtebis meshveobit. es ra, dagavitskda katso? kino "Rabinia
Izaura" maints agar gaxsovs:)?
===
>magram kvemod
> gamochndeba tu rogor giqvars paktebis gamukeba :-)
===
Besiki - Upss, Nana exla ki gamochndeba sheni namdvili saxets:)
aba vnaxot...
===
> romelia nacrisperze laparakis numishi: gakotrebis moshishahi
> amerikelebis mier shvilebis arqola tu eseni:
>
> "You pay 80000 for simple surgery"
>
> $80,000 simple surgery? what kind?
>
> "If I am confusing something why I saw my close friend urging me to not
> take her to hospital since she didn't have insurance? I thought she was
> dying..."
>
> You thought she was dying? why not 'she was seriously ill' or 'she was
> in severe pain'? Not surprising that you think the third world was is
> upons us :-)
>
> ho martla romel mesame msoplio omze laparakob?
>
> levani
===
Besiki - veraferi ver vipovne...
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Richard Philippe Church
> Many of you are on dangerous path of selfgorification.
You are mistaken... it is Milosevich and his Serb forces who are on a
path of self-glorification.
I can think of no worse form of self-glorification than to murder and
terrorize innocent people just because their ethnic background is
different than your own...
> Perfaps Hitler could say the same: "what can we do - My geatest german
> arian race? sit back an wait? until those evil bastards will destroy
the
> world?"
If you want to make comparisons to Hitler, why don't we take a long hard
look at what is happening to the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and you can
explain to me how this is any different than the horrors the Nazis
perpetrated against the Jew in Europe...?
> Stop to think as missionaries! You are not.
> It is nothing more then mental illness: Psycopathic delussion.
Wanting to stop crimes against humanity is not a sign of mental
illness!!!
Nana, I understand the situation in Yugoslavia has many parallels with
Georgia's own civil war with Abkhazian separatists -- but this does not
justify genocide.
Think for a minute about all the gains Georgia has made because it chose
NOT take the same soul-destroying route as Yugoslavia. Do you think the
ongoing developments of democratic institutions, human rights, market
economics, foreign aid, polictical reforms, freedom of the press, and
membership to the EU would be possible if Georgians chose to go on a
murderous ethnic rampage instead of working towards peace?
What can Milosevich and his butchers look forward to in their future
dealings with the West... nothing much, except for economic sanctions
and perhaps a date with the criminal tribunal in the Hague.
It should be obvious to you by now that the path of genocide only leads
to the devolution of government into a brutal and repressive
dictatorship which threatens ALL citizens. Just look at Yugoslavia...
Thanks to Milosevich, his people are under martial law with no freedom
of the press and no human rights.
When a government can devalue the life of one group of people, it can
devalue the life of ALL people...
Isn't it good to know that if you ever go back to Georgia you can rest
easy knowing the women there won't spit and beat on you for having an
American husband and Greg won't have to worry about being summarily
executed by secret police just because he isn't Georgian? I wish the
same could be said about minority ethnic groups in Yugoslavia...
Regards,
Richard
guest
Marika wrote:
> I admit it Nana! you must have visited doctor
> at that time and now you say that you'd rather die then go to doctor!
Marika, I think your ability interpret written material is seriously skewed.I told you and Nana's own postings state that it was her friend that went to
doctor.
> According to your postings, Nana, you are guilty of liyng and prejudice.
she is clearly prejudiced.
> From the way you talk about truckers we can prove that you were illegaly
> transporting oranges from Florida.
No, only YOU can 'conlcude' this from the material <:-[
> Do you want prove that you are phoney? For example - you have no standing
> on the issue of bombing.
Actually i do and i said something about it specifically to you. but even if I hadn't had it, why would i be phony, which means pretending to _have_
some attitude?
(e.g: be for bombing when in reality you are not). that is illogical
Levan
nana
> >
> >
> http://x1.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=440448141&search=thread&CONTEXT=922577597.1716846679&HIT_CONTEXT=922577577.1715732626&HIT_NUM=9&hitnum=20
> >
> >
> http://x3.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=448482915&search=thread&CONTEXT=922580936.593232020&hitnum=39
> >
>
> I'm impressed!!! levan you really did your homework - its saturday, dont'
> you really have nothing better to do? :-)
>
> Nana, leavan who spent whole Saturday and not only just this Saturday
> putting together together case againts you - where you were on May 24,
> at that time and now you say that you'd rather die then go to doctor!
>
> neighbor's cat, that's so clear from your recent posting with the subject
> "me-3?", that cat lived in the third house from you! Be careful - we are
> watching you!
>
> That is so typical georgian feature - collect all the "info" and build
> "theories" and levan, you deny that you are georgian?! Why did you need
> all this "material". Any of us can do it, can go back and check on
> eachother - it is just that you aren't credible and Nana is, and you feel
> it, that's why you needed "prove".
>
> But this won't help you. You are phoney and your postings are phoney. Nana
> sometimes is too emotional and says things few would dare to say, but she
> is open, and anybody can feel that she isn't pretending, is writing
> whatever she feels.
>
> suddenly big urge to write something worth of "genius" possesed you once
> again and here the result - since you never had any standing on that issue
> you switched to personal insults - area much more known and comfortable
> for you.
>
> See I can psycologicaly evaluate you too. Isn't it wonderful - so easy and
> so much fun!!! :-)
I have nothing to say but I am scared to death...
he started to bomb me now.... poor me.
n.
nana
sad sheagorve es chemi tserilebidan amonatserebi?
gmertma utskis ra romel kontextshi vtivi. meti sakme ar makvs chemi
tavis dacva davitsko suleluri braldebebisagan. xumrobebi, naxevrad
seriozuli gamonatkvamebi da suratis naxevari mxareebi ertad rom
chamogitskapia ak.
shen intirganobas sheeshvi icode.
tu ase gaagrdzele sakartveloshi umjobesia arc chabrdznade. intriganebs
rogorc ukureben ik kargad ici.
ar gamomicxo axla ak axali niurnbergi?
ras aamkake isedac patara kartuli ng? ras gadakide xalxi ertmanets?
chkua meko da xalxis shedzuleba ar davitske sheni tsakezebit da iman
gadagria xom?
ise, sakartvelos kritikaze ibogmebode mase is sjobia. magram ara, shen
sheni sakutari kevknis landzgvit kbas igrdzob tu sachiro ikna, me ki
mdzgolta profkavshirebma tu vinme gareshe (rusi) scemes is vaxsene da
morcha gasashavebeli gavxdi. ar gadareulxar sxvisi kveknisatvis amxela
kaci? ar gadavirie me shensavit da axla ras dasdev chems sitkvebs peplis
sacherit?
ra iko sakme gamogelia?
axali ambavi, rom amerikashi kvelafri fulzea dafudznebuli... shen an
kidev studenti xar da universitetshi maradmtsvaneob da cxovreba ar
ginaxavs, anda vigacis jibes shemoaxti da ver gagigia rom garibs, da
ucodinars ak uchirs.
tsadi batono da soc.culture.usa-shi tsere da ikitxe ramdenic ginda. ras
gverchi ak shemoxetebul titoorola kartvels?
kidev erti, kargad ici rom ak iset sakmes vaketeb sheni nabodvari
sheidzleba tsin gadamegobos da dros ar ishureb chems dziris
gamosatxrelad xom? tumca shen shen kvekanas landzgvashi aten-agameb, me
ki sapirispiro sakme davitske da ratkmaunda gesmis rom strategiuli
mnishvneloba akvs chems diskreditacias. aba shen ici gastsi pionero
tsin, nu sheushindebi sindiss da namuss.
eh...
shen unda tkva kaci varo amis mere.
nana
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> nana wrote:
> >
> > Marika wrote:
> >
> > > ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor
> > > daamones, da mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
>
> > jer momkles da mere damamones tu jer damamones da mere momkles?
>
> nana, martali gitxra axla mikvirs aseti rame rogor ar tkvi akamde.
> magram ak me shens adrindel monatxrobebs vgulisxmobdi. magalitad, shen
> tkvi:
>
> "I have heared the other similar story. Like one emigrant tried to have
> a
> track and deliver the food to different areas in US. Some guys stopped
> him and told that he was working on their territory and if he wouldn't
> stop doing this he would be killed. So this emigrant stop his
> business..."
>
> da mere daamate:
>
> "...and is invloved in supermarket cleaning activities as many of us are
> wellcome to do."
>
> http://x1.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=439938843&search=thread&CONTEXT=922577597.1716846679&HIT_CONTEXT=922577577.1715732626&HIT_NUM=9&hitnum=16
>
> "many of us are wellcome"? asetia sheni, chemi, marikas, besikis,
> zviadis, orive datos, gia gaprindashvilis, kidev uamravi sxva kartvelis
> gamocdileba? asetia uamrai sxva emigrantis gamocdileba?
> es dainaxe emgrantebis gamocdilebashi upiratesad? tu shen gaunatebel
> vinmeze laparakob romelic sxva ramistvis jnelad tu gamodgeba?
>
> shemdeg am pirovnebaze ganmarte rom :
>
> "Case I mentioned is not about my friend, but i guess i know why that
> man didn't report this case in police. He was frightened. Especially by
> American movies where police appears always last."
>
> http://x1.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=440448141&search=thread&CONTEXT=922577597.1716846679&HIT_CONTEXT=922577577.1715732626&HIT_NUM=9&hitnum=20
>
> "I guess"? sainteresoa am mizezze vinmem gitxra tu shen askvni?
>
> shemdeg, am kveqnis sahisnel surats xatav:
>
> " Yes, and that's why many people are even scared to consider to have
> babies. They long time ago gave up the idea to count on someone else's
> nobelity and help. ;-) If you don't have money and without insurance you
> will decide to do what people with insurance do, you can turn into
> bankrupt, or your dear kid can grow who knows what (remember you won't
> afford good neiborhood, consequently good school, drug free zone and so
> on and so on). As a result your kid can be killed in the street by some
> drug dealer just because you decided to become a bankrupt by giving
> birth to him or her. It is not direct murder so let's don't think about
> it. Murderer is hipotetical drug dealer. :-) Or you think only about
> high class? Who always has money? They feel nice in Georgia too. What
> about Getos in New York?
>
> http://x3.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=448482915&search=thread&CONTEXT=922580936.593232020&hitnum=39
>
> ramdenadac vici garibebs, da gansakutrebit shavkanian garibebs,
> shviebis mravlad qavt. tanac bevri matgani saxlemcipo daxmarebazea da
> mainc axerxebs shvielbis agzrdas, tumca ki sashish garemoshi.
>
> samcuaxrod is cerili ver vipovne romlshic kartvel jijebs monebad
> axasiaeb. arerti matganistvis ar daujalebiat gadiebad mushaoba.
> mona tavisi nebit ar midis monatmplobeltan. magram kvemod
> gamochndeba tu rogor giqvars paktebis gamukeba :-)
>
> > nacrisferze valaparakebi da shavad echveneba.
>
> romelia nacrisperze laparakis numishi: gakotrebis moshishahi
> amerikelebis mier shvilebis arqola tu eseni:
>
> "You pay 80000 for simple surgery"
>
> $80,000 simple surgery? what kind?
>
> "If I am confusing something why I saw my close friend urging me to not
> take her to hospital since she didn't have insurance? I thought she was
> dying..."
>
> You thought she was dying? why not 'she was seriously ill' or 'she was
> in severe pain'? Not surprising that you think the third world was is
> upons us :-)
>
> ho martla romel mesame msoplio omze laparakob?
>
> levani
--
nana
>
> >
> > samcuaxrod is cerili ver vipovne romlshic kartvel jijebs monebad
> > axasiaeb.
rogorc vxedav axla me var programashi.
chidaobis arena: "ra kargia amerika!"
momtsons ratom ara... kargi okeanea, kargi xeebi, filmebi evropuli
mirchevnia da naxatebi. sachmeli kartuli. mtebi kavkasioni ufro lamazia,
aseve alpebic.
xalxi araa zogadad ganatlebuli, dro tavisufali tutkmis ar arsebobs.
momtsons shens cxovrebashi cxvirs rom aravin hkofs.
ar momtsons samedicino momsaxureba da misi fasebi. ar momtsons
namshobiarebi kalebi ert dgeshi saxlshi rom gamorbian gadasaxadebis
shishit. ar momtsons pensiebis mdgomareoba.
naklebi umushevrobaa vidre sakartveloshi.
finansebi ise gartulebulia mosaxleobis 70 % azrze araa sad ras ixdis da
ristvis.
interesi msoflios mimart nolia. media sakmaod moikochlebs da calmxrivia.
momtsons rom makvs sinatle da cxeli tskali, matsuxebs rom ver vpoulob
tkemals magaziashi da sulguns :-).
magram cxadia samotxe araa da arc jojoxeti. amat shoris ert-erti tsin
makvs da gmovcdi.
>
> ====
>
> Besiki - amaze nu gairjebi Levan, vitsit Nana ra tsudits aris:)
> da saertod iqneb sjobdes rom datmobazets gadaxvide zogjer. da tu ginda maints
> "chidaoba" me gamomitsvie, vanxot vin moereva:)
me aravistan chidaobas ar vapireb mitumets "vanka-stankastan".
ase rom savaivishos verafers vxedav.
nana
guest
> xumrobebi, naxevrad seriozuli gamonatkvamebi da suratis naxevari mxareebi ertad rom chamogitskapia ak.
nana ar vicodi romelime amatgani xumroba an naxevarxumroba tu iqo. adamanis sasikvdilod qopna an $ 80, 000 operacia arctu saxumro skme. xolo tu xumrobdi
mit umetes samcuxaroa es. ise me3 mspoplio omzec xumrob?
akmde me mxolod shens mier (da sxvebis meirac) suratis naxevari mxaris carmoshena, zerele gageba, natkvmais gaunalizeblad masze danatxmebas vakritikebdi.
> mdzgolta profkavshirebma tu vinme gareshe (rusi) scemes is vaxsene da
> morcha gasashavebeli gavxdi.
gamodis rom matlac Teamseters Unionze laparakobdi, sakveqnod cnobil saecvo kavshirebian organizaciaze. uamravi prokavshiridan amaze rom shecerdi scored
es aris sheni tendenciurobis nimushi.
> kidev erti, kargad ici rom ak iset sakmes vaketeb sheni nabodvari sheidzleba tsin gadamegobos
es rogor? shen rasac ircmuneb, paktebis gaanalizebis mere, is aris mtavari.tu mcdarad ggonia rom sakmis dacqebas ak krtami cirdeba da biurokrats
sheajlev, sasamartlostan gekneba sakme. me ar mgonia es ase romaa da arc xumrobit arc naxevaxumrobit ar vambob amas. imitom rom axlad chamosul kartvels
romelmac jer ar icis akauroba aseti ram ar unda chaacveto. mas isedac areauli akvs goneba da scori cnobis micema cirdeba.
\levani
nana
-Dear Levan!
I responded to you in Georgian but I noticed very well your fargoing
purpose to dig under me in English.
You poor creature, such an expent of grudge and baloney is coming from
you.
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> "I have heared the other similar story. Like one emigrant tried to have
> a
> track and deliver the food to different areas in US. Some guys stopped
> him and told that he was working on their territory and if he wouldn't
> stop doing this he would be killed. So this emigrant stop his
> business..."
This was my respond to your stupid declaration that in USA no murder can
take place and americans can not bit each other. That ilegal acts can
not take place in this blessed country. I gave you small example. that's
it. It didn't mean that I generelize what I have wrote. I just tried to
protect your poor brain from generalization. But your IQ makes it
inevitable in your case.
>
> da mere daamate:
>
> "...and is invloved in supermarket cleaning activities as many of us are
> wellcome to do."
Yes, actually go and visit many supermarkets.
gaficeb am hiper links. sad gamotxare mainc es naxevari simartle?
>
> shemdeg am pirovnebaze ganmarte rom :
>
> "Case I mentioned is not about my friend, but i guess i know why that
> man didn't report this case in police. He was frightened. Especially by
> American movies where police appears always last."
this was a joke which your bright mental state can not comprehend.
Good job of a real pig. good dig!
>
> " Yes, and that's why many people are even scared to consider to have
> babies. If you don't have money and without insurance you
> will decide to do what people with insurance do, you can turn into
> bankrupt, or your dear kid can grow who knows what (remember you won't
> afford good neiborhood, consequently good school, drug free zone and so
> on and so on). As a result your kid can be killed in the street by some
> drug dealer just because you decided to become a bankrupt by giving
> birth to him or her. It is not direct murder so let's don't think about
> it. Murderer is hipotetical drug dealer. :-) Or you think only about
> high class? Who always has money? They feel nice in Georgia too. What
> about Getos in New York?
This was the respond on your marvelous statement that "communists eat
their children" is a correct idea, as you explained further: noone is
safe in communist countries. so I suggested the one possible way of
losing your own kids in USA.
BTW your enlightened argument ( in Georgian, aren't you hiena?)about
black families with many kids doesn't prove me wrong. Their kids are
exactly under the most danger. Drugs, prostitution, low morality, low
education.... but who cares. You definitely don't. This is exactly what
I told. do you understand, poor carpetbagger?
> http://x3.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=448482915&search=thread&CONTEXT=922580936.593232020&hitnum=39
great job, pig!
>
> ramdenadac vici garibebs, da gansakutrebit shavkanian garibebs,
> shviebis mravlad qavt. tanac bevri matgani saxlemcipo daxmarebazea da
> mainc axerxebs shvielbis agzrdas, tumca ki sashish garemoshi.
>
amaze gipasuxe diado levan.
> "You pay 80000 for simple surgery"
>
> $80,000 simple surgery? what kind?
Carpetbagger, it meant that if you can not afford good insurance (means
good job which you can no have without proper education) then you may
have to chose to pay $80000 and more for simple surgery.
>
> "If I am confusing something why I saw my close friend urging me to not
> take her to hospital since she didn't have insurance? I thought she was
> dying..."
>
> You thought she was dying?
Yes carpetbagger, she had an attack of apilepsy and I though she was
dying. I didn't know about her desease. She didn't know iether BTW. She
found out about it only month after.
>why not 'she was seriously ill' or 'she was
> in severe pain'?
So you found a good source for your black irony yes? Someone was in
pain... so funny. Only low creature like you can find it funny.
> Not surprising that you think the third world was is
> upons us :-)
Pigs and carpetbaggers like you can find it very funny what is happening
in Europe. You feel completely safe here in ohio or minesotta.
mankurti xar moklet.
Carpetbagger, Bye bye.
Nana
> ho martla romel mesame msoplio omze laparakob?
>
> levani
--
illar...@my-dejanews.com
Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bite you, but from you mailing
seems like you spent too short time in the US. Your values are still based on
"brotherhood" ideas, which stems from 70 years of communism plus the fact
that our country (unfortunately) is still too far from civilization. It seems
like you don't (or don't want) to understand simple free market economy
values.
I am very keen to see what will you think about your e-mail 1 year from now.
I assume that you are willing to learn, in contrast to some of our "big
slavic brothers" who just simply don't get the basics...
> --
>
> Please remove "NO SPAM" in email address before replying.
>
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illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bite you, but from you mailing
> seems like you spent too short time in the US. Your values are still based on
> "brotherhood" ideas, which stems from 70 years of communism plus the fact
> that our country (unfortunately) is still too far from civilization. It seems
> like you don't (or don't want) to understand simple free market economy
> values.
>
> I am very keen to see what will you think about your e-mail 1 year from now.
> I assume that you are willing to learn, in contrast to some of our "big
> slavic brothers" who just simply don't get the basics...
What a twaddle :-(
L_e_x_o
Marika
>
> > Many of you are on dangerous path of selfgorification.
>
> You are mistaken... it is Milosevich and his Serb forces who are on a
> path of self-glorification.
I can't agree with generalization that nana is making in above sentence. I
know that many here can see the harm and madness of NATO's actions.
Looking from the angle of necessity to stop Milosevic those actions of course
might look right. But the thing is it doesn't work - it will not work and
NATO knows that. They knew from the begining that just bombing will do
nothing but harm, I assume you listen to news, Albanians are now in worse
conditions then they were before. Countries around - they are on the edge of
getting pulled into conflict. What if they close their borders - they have
all rights to do that - will then NATO bomb them too?
I think people should realise how dangerous this situation is and not only
for serbs or albanians - for all of us. NATO is dividing world on two very
hostile parts. This isn't permittable. Any hint and situation might explode.
What would have been the reaction of US if granade fired in Moscow did hit
the target? Bombing was timed just right when Primakov was supposed to beg
for money. But he postponed his begging. What does he care - he isn't
starving. West should have learned long ago that they can't logically predict
what russians would do. And mind, russians are very angry - and hungry too.
They still believe THEY are superpower.
> Wanting to stop crimes against humanity is not a sign of mental
> illness!!!
Wanting to be a world police and a judge and even a god is a sign of mental
illness.
> What can Milosevich and his butchers look forward to in their future
> dealings with the West... nothing much, except for economic sanctions
> and perhaps a date with the criminal tribunal in the Hague.
I really hope it ends like that. And I hope it ends soon. it was said that it
will take only about a week to totally destroy serbian army supplies. Nor I or
anybody here has any say in this madness, we can only wait. And while we wait
story will change and change, and more and more people will be victimised.
People's lives don't matter - matters only who makes a strong "statement".
nana
I guess you generally saw some problems in my ideology. You message is
very general and I don't exactly get when I told what.
Okey... I guess since I started to write on this NG under my real name
I definitely put myself under the critical eye.
I can stand this.
You don't sound demagogical so I have no problem with your criticizm.
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Nana --
>
> Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bite you,
no problem...
>but from you mailing
> seems like you spent too short time in the US.
Yes and I am not completely absorbed yet. :-)
>Your values are still based on
> "brotherhood" ideas,
Illarion, I am not Slav... I think you have to know this.
I don't like the fact that superpower tries to get a new territory under
the cover of nobelity. I feel sorry for Albanians ( that part which is
innosent and is supressed) I am sorry for Serbians ( that part which is
innosent). Also, I guess that it is not very great idea to declare
independence on the territory of the other country wehn you defnitely
have your own. Also this frightens me since there are more critical
sitautions in the world. Actually native indians sitting in reservations
is one of them.
>which stems from 70 years of communism plus the fact
> that our country (unfortunately) is still too far from civilization.
My country is part of the civilization, as all countries.
Who and when took over this term "civilization"? Who is civilization?
Who is civilized? Who always tries to oppose itself to the rest of
civilization? If one is defferent it means second is different too. It
is just frame of refferences.
The nation of my country is one interesting representative of the
mankind which carries uniques culture and language and history.
I am sorry if I make you feel sad for Georgia.
I have to appologize in front of the more civilized people here ( since
some of you claim so) to ashame my country by representing it as
uncivilized.
>It seems
> like you don't (or don't want) to understand simple free market economy
> values.
Illarion I once told you that you are making mistake here. I was the
person who admited the necessity of marketing and market oriented
planning and strategy. Probably you mean its implications on the regular
person's life. It is probably cause by the fact that I told that med.
care is very expensive and taxes are so complicated that I know only one
american who can do it herself ( she is CPA:-)
>
> I am very keen to see what will you think about your e-mail 1 year from now.
> I assume that you are willing to learn, in contrast to some of our "big
> slavic brothers" who just simply don't get the basics...
I will learn more in my life but it is not anyways related with slavic
brothers. Everybdy has own way.
I am not ashamed by who I am, so if this means that I am "uncivilized"
then I can only say that I like this too.
I definitely am very different from many very different people. ;-)
nana
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:12:36 -0800 nana wrote:
>
> > Many of you are on dangerous path of selfgorification.
>
> You are mistaken... it is Milosevich and his Serb forces who are on a
> path of self-glorification.
Yes he is on the dangerous path of selfglorification too. And NATO
proved that IT IS VERY DANGEROUS ( to not let nato forces into the
country).
> I can think of no worse form of self-glorification than to murder and
> terrorize innocent people just because their ethnic background is
> different than your own...
It is very sensitive topic to discuss. First of all when Serbs needed
any support against murderous Croations, they got none. They are
demonized in western media.
Serbs were subjet of the murderous politics of Hitler. I have seen by my
own eyes picture of croatian standing near the piramid built by the
heads of serbs as a proof that he deserved the medal from Nazis.
The haterage in that country has deep roots. Roots many times say that
Serbs ar not the black side of the picture. I feel very sorry for them.
They are really victimized ( as valid human beings) by wetern media, by
their own crasy boss ( pushing blind military forces to perform
agressions agains others) and by their brothers in Yugoslavia.
It was very necessery to push peaceful solution of this problem. Only
peaceful... but the West ( I am sorry to say this) always tends to
dislike Serbs.
In the past now very civilized West was less civilized and shame on
you, westerners, you took sides according to the religion of the
Yugoslavian nations. Croatians are catholics, Serbs are Orthodox and
that was the base of prejudism against Serbians.
> > Perfaps Hitler could say the same: "what can we do - My geatest german
>
> > arian race? sit back an wait? until those evil bastards will destroy
> the
> > world?"
>
> If you want to make comparisons to Hitler, why don't we take a long hard
> look at what is happening to the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo and you can
> explain to me how this is any different than the horrors the Nazis
> perpetrated against the Jew in Europe...?
Yes those horros are done ny regular gun, the other horror I see is
performed by the perfect airplanes and perfect bombs.
I told something in Georgian here.
I will translate.
I am against killing the death by death. Since it is demagogy.
>
> > Stop to think as missionaries! You are not.
> > It is nothing more then mental illness: Psycopathic delussion.
>
> Wanting to stop crimes against humanity is not a sign of mental
> illness!!!
Stop? By what price?
Yes, through bombing innosent population and without even knowing where
Kosovo is.
> Nana, I understand the situation in Yugoslavia has many parallels with
> Georgia's own civil war with Abkhazian separatists -- but this does not
> justify genocide.
Nothing justifies genocide of any side.
I think bombing Serbian villages and cities is nothing more then another
genocide. If it doesn't aim Serbians why the NATO doesn't bomb Italy
then? One genocide in Serbia is done by crasy Milocevich who believes
that he shouldn't give independence to Albanians in Kosovo (basis for
wanting independence is their ethnicity BTW). Other genocide is
performed by CIVILIZED west under the cover of nobelity. It is
cinical...
Also this is not a way how the problem you identify will be solved. This
is a short way of NATO troops in stuborn Yugoslavia.
This is actually the way of splitting the world again into two parts.
This frightenes me very much.
> Think for a minute about all the gains Georgia has made because it chose
> NOT take the same soul-destroying route as Yugoslavia.
Yes, under the Russian bombs Georgia gained 200 000 refugees and still
can not get a territory back.
Another gain, Georgia is getting that it is not bombed by more
sophisticated bombs of NATO.
> Do you think the
> ongoing developments of democratic institutions, human rights, market
> economics, foreign aid, polictical reforms, freedom of the press, and
> membership to the EU would be possible if Georgians chose to go on a
> murderous ethnic rampage instead of working towards peace?
Yes, they would be punished I guess.
Please show us how you are going to give us the territory back?
If I will see this then I will teach and preach everybody that War is
not necessery when someone wants to get part of your country's
tgerritory at all. All what is necessry, is to be a part of EU and have
nice legislation.
> What can Milosevich and his butchers look forward to in their future
> dealings with the West...
You sound now very proud. You actually must be sad.
> nothing much, except for economic sanctions
> and perhaps a date with the criminal tribunal in the Hague.
What about Clinton? How many persons died under his crasy bomb showers?
> It should be obvious to you by now that the path of genocide only leads
> to the devolution of government into a brutal and repressive
> dictatorship which threatens ALL citizens. Just look at Yugoslavia...
Yes, in the weak countries. Who can not deal with West or with Russians.
Strong countries like Russia or USA can declare that it was done for
great purposes.
I am very sad to see this. I don't believe in anything any more.
> Thanks to Milosevich, his people are under martial law with no freedom
> of the press and no human rights.
It would be better to promote peace and give the nation time on
developing and promoting democracy. Under bombs there won't be any
democracy.
> When a government can devalue the life of one group of people, it can
> devalue the life of ALL people...
It is necessery to replace the government. Why not help Serbian
democratic opposition? Insetad west chosed to transform this nation into
fanatics.
> Isn't it good to know that if you ever go back to Georgia you can rest
> easy knowing the women there won't spit and beat on you for having an
> American husband and Greg won't have to worry about being summarily
> executed by secret police just because he isn't Georgian?
"Is not Georgian" is different. But if this will continue in Europe I am
really affraid that Gregg can not be very safe outside of USA.
Many Americans don't care, they don't need to see less civilized world
but Gregg is not one of them. He might want to see Iran one day. Think
what can happen with him.
I have to see the grave of my ansistor in Teiran. Perhaps without Gregg.
>I wish the
> same could be said about minority ethnic groups in Yugoslavia...
It was necessery to not rape Yugoslavian nation but give them chance to
get rid of Milocevich and his ultranationalist surrounding.
Serbs are normal human beings.
As Westerners BTW, but on their behalf kids are dying in Serbia.
I can see your very honest concern by this issue and I can appriciate
it.
I have problem justifying any kind of murder. Also I am afraid I can see
through all this and looks like very simple fight for more territory.
I pray for everybody who is dying right now in Yugoslavia.
Nana
nana
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:12:36 -0800 nana wrote:
> >
> > > Many of you are on dangerous path of selfgorification.
> >
> > You are mistaken... it is Milosevich and his Serb forces who are on a
> > path of self-glorification.
>
> know that many here can see the harm and madness of NATO's actions.
If it sounded that ALL americans are on the dangerous path of
selfglorification, I bag my pardon. I meant only MANY...
Also SOME who are on the path of selfglorification DO see the harm of
NATO bombings. They say: "why Amricans should dye for some Serbia or
Kosovo?".
Regards,
BesikiNews
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Nana --
>
> Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to bite you, but from you mailing
> seems like you spent too short time in the US.
===
Besiki - Maybe but as I see Nana saw in a short time more then people living
here can't realize all their life.
===
>Your values are still based on
> "brotherhood" ideas, which stems from 70 years of communism
===
Besiki - The idea of "brotherhood" didn't came from communism mentality, but
was exist even pegan philosphy, where for example friend gives his life for
his friend. Also, Christainity and Buddism are based on it as a monastery
communityes.
===
>plus the fact
> that our country (unfortunately) is still too far from civilization. It seems
> like you don't (or don't want) to understand simple free market economy
> values.
>
> I am very keen to see what will you think about your e-mail 1 year from now.
> I assume that you are willing to learn, in contrast to some of our "big
> slavic brothers" who just simply don't get the basics...
===
Besiki - The point isn't "Slavic brothers" but a reality of the facts. Killing
Serbians does not give to Albanians a "freedom" or something else. It was
better to gave them a money and support and help to move in Albania; However
"free world" never mentioned either to how Albanians were killing Serbian
people, monks, destroing a monasteries and raping a Serbian woman before their
"discrimination". Did you know that? Of cource not...
-BesikiNews-
http://angelfire.com/ga/Georgian
(Updated)
BesikiNews
ra kvelaferze davobt an vis gulisatvis:)
ra shuashia aq Nana, mfrinavi misha, balkaneti, NG tu kidev ravitsi ra agar
gaertianda sruliad umtsikvlo ert terilis gamoqveknebaze.
movrchet amaze laparaks, torem tendentsia imis tsinaagmdeg rom kvelas aaqvs
sakutari azri da azris gamoxatva martlats dgiti-dge mtkitsdeba aq.
chatsknardit kvela umjobesia (mets mexeba)da daioket tqveni nervebi.
guest
> momtsons ratom ara... kargi okeanea, kargi xeebi, filmebi evropuli
> mirchevnia da naxatebi. sachmeli kartuli. mtebi kavkasioni ufro lamazia,
> aseve alpebic.
> xalxi araa zogadad ganatlebuli, dro tavisufali tutkmis ar arsebobs.
> momtsons shens cxovrebashi cxvirs rom aravin hkofs.
> ar momtsons samedicino momsaxureba da misi fasebi. ar momtsons
> namshobiarebi kalebi ert dgeshi saxlshi rom gamorbian gadasaxadebis
> shishit. ar momtsons pensiebis mdgomareoba.
> naklebi umushevrobaa vidre sakartveloshi.
> finansebi ise gartulebulia mosaxleobis 70 % azrze araa sad ras ixdis da
> ristvis.
> interesi msoflios mimart nolia. media sakmaod moikochlebs da calmxrivia.
> momtsons rom makvs sinatle da cxeli tskali, matsuxebs rom ver vpoulob
> tkemals magaziashi da sulguns :-).
> magram cxadia samotxe araa da arc jojoxeti. amat shoris ert-erti tsin
> makvs da gmovcdi.
nana, shemtxvevitia rom am keqnis mxolod bunebis da geograpiuli tvisebebi mogcons
da sazogadoebrivs titkmis qvelapers icuneb.
saertod roca romelime kveqanas irchev droebitze upro xangrjlivad sacxovreblad,
ragaca mogcons da gizidavs ik. me ver carmomidgenia saprangetshi an rusetshi
casvla radgan ikauri msoplmxedveloba miugebelia chemtvis. vinaidan me
amerikuli sazogadoeba momcons da ara supta haeri, amitom bunebrivia ak var da
gatanabrebulad agvikvam garemos. nakls ar vejeb, tumca agvnichnav roca saciroa.
elemntaruli ambavia rom tu sxa sazogaobashi gadabargdi, pativi miago _xalxs_.
gansakutrebit mashin roca am xalxma shesajlebeli gaxada iseti arseboba romelic
sicocxlis naqopirad ganvitarebis shesajleblobas ajlevs imat umetesobas, vinc
mindomebs.
radikaluri midgomis moqvarulebs (da shen amis bevr nishans amjgavneb), utopia
undat sadac garibi da ubeduri ar ikneba. pragmatuli xalxi ki, ameriklebi
magalitad, am idelis maksimalurad da ara srulad ganxorcielbas cdiloben.
shedegad, is deda romelic samshobiaroshi mxolod erti dgit rcheba, jansag bavs
agzrdis romlis kbilebi daumpalia, satamasho - shejlebisdagvarad usaprtxo, sxeuli
- ganvitarebuli, sakvebi ki rac sheijleba jansagi.
sheijleba shekspirze ver dagelaparakos ubralo amerikeli, magram isi esmis rom
adamianis upragonod gacixovneba daushvebelia. rusetis gamocdilebam ki achvena
rom is xalxi romelic siarulis drosac kitsulobs da dostoevskize sabavshvo bashic
ki msjelobs, tanamojmis mimart sazareli barbarosobis shemjlea. nutu amistvis
natldeba adamiani?
didi madloba magram me pirvels varchev vinaidan gaunatlebeli magram civilizebuli
mezobeli mirchevnia. civilizebuloba ki imit ar gamoixateba ramdeni kacis jvalze
aigeba sasaxleebi, aramed imit tu ramdeni kaci ikneba coxali da sheubgalavi rom
cutisoplit isiamovnos da shtamomavlobas uketesi xvedri misces.
levani
BesikiNews
guest <name.#@osu.edu> wrote:
> nana ar vicodi romelime amatgani xumroba an naxevarxumroba tu iqo. adamanis
sasikvdilod qopna an $ 80, 000 operacia arctu saxumro skme. xolo tu
xumrobdi
> mit umetes samcuxaroa es. ise me3 mspoplio omzec xumrob?
===
Besiki - Levan, xumroba iko tu ara, ar aaqvs amas arsebiti mnishvneloba.
rogorts xshirad vidzaxi da normalur logikas sheesabameba, kvelas aaqvs
sakutari azris gamoxatvis ufleba. morchi amaze "bazars" torem "its gets too
boring"...
===
>
> akmde me mxolod shens mier (da sxvebis meirac) suratis naxevari mxaris
carmoshena, zerele gageba, natkvmais gaunalizeblad masze danatxmebas
>vakritikebdi.
===
Besiki - ratom ggonia rom autsileblad vinme unda gaakritiko. chaamtavre aseti
damokidebulebani rogorme... da saertod ratom ggonia rom sxvebis raime
gamonatqvami autsileblad tsarmodgenilia rogorts "naxevar mxaris carmochena da
zerele gageba"? Or you seem here more smarter then others ...
morchi bazrobanas tamashs.
===
> gamodis rom matlac Teamseters Unionze laparakobdi, sakveqnod cnobil saecvo
kavshirebian organizaciaze. uamravi prokavshiridan amaze rom shecerdi
scored
> es aris sheni tendenciurobis nimushi.
===
Besiki - Oh, so sensative and so "tendentious". Don't make us laugh, please...
ra bazrobana gaimarta; ra xdeba an ris gulisatvis ver gamigia:)
===
>>> kidev erti, kargad ici rom ak iset sakmes vaketeb sheni nabodvari
>>>sheidzleba tsin gadamegobos
>
> es rogor? shen rasac ircmuneb, paktebis gaanalizebis mere, is aris
mtavari.tu mcdarad ggonia rom sakmis dacqebas ak krtami cirdeba da biurokrats
> sheajlev, sasamartlostan gekneba sakme. me ar mgonia es ase romaa da arc
>xumrobit arc naxevaxumrobit ar vambob amas. imitom rom axlad chamosul kartvels
> romelmac jer ar icis akauroba aseti ram ar unda chaacveto. mas isedac
>areauli akvs goneba da scori cnobis micema cirdeba.
> levani
===
Besiki - xoda shen ara xar aq?:)
vai katso ra momxdara, turme Nanas natqvams turme "gashuqebis" gareshe miigebs
da vai im sabralo qartvelebs. magram ar dagavitskdet aq aris "Lervrsi
Corporation" romlis devizia gadaarchinos kvela utsxoetshi chamosul "uvits"
qartvelta sulebi da daitsvas mati interesebi:)
da martlats, modi movrchet amaze bazrobanas tamashs...
-BesikiNews-
http://angelfire.com/ga/Georgian
(Updated)
nana
>
> nana wrote:
>
> > momtsons ratom ara... kargi okeanea, kargi xeebi, filmebi evropuli
> > mirchevnia da naxatebi. sachmeli kartuli. mtebi kavkasioni ufro lamazia,
> > aseve alpebic.
> > xalxi araa zogadad ganatlebuli, dro tavisufali tutkmis ar arsebobs.
> > momtsons shens cxovrebashi cxvirs rom aravin hkofs.
> > ar momtsons samedicino momsaxureba da misi fasebi. ar momtsons
> > namshobiarebi kalebi ert dgeshi saxlshi rom gamorbian gadasaxadebis
> > shishit. ar momtsons pensiebis mdgomareoba.
> > naklebi umushevrobaa vidre sakartveloshi.
> > finansebi ise gartulebulia mosaxleobis 70 % azrze araa sad ras ixdis da
> > ristvis.
> > interesi msoflios mimart nolia. media sakmaod moikochlebs da calmxrivia.
> > momtsons rom makvs sinatle da cxeli tskali, matsuxebs rom ver vpoulob
> > tkemals magaziashi da sulguns :-).
> > magram cxadia samotxe araa da arc jojoxeti. amat shoris ert-erti tsin
> > makvs da gmovcdi.
>
> nana, shemtxvevitia rom am keqnis mxolod bunebis da geograpiuli tvisebebi mogcons
> da sazogadoebrivs titkmis qvelapers icuneb.
tendenciuri xar:
vtkvi rom momtsons buneba, rom shens cxovrebashi cxvirs aravin hkofs,
rom ar aris umushevrobis magali done, rom aris sakofacxovrebo
ketildgeoba.
chemi cxovrebis prioritetebshi arasodes shedioda bevri chama da mucelze
xelis sma, bevri fuli da skeli angarishebi bankshi.
me var pirveli vinc amerikas sulierebas utsunebs?
>
> saertod roca romelime kveqanas irchev droebitze upro xangrjlivad sacxovreblad,
> ragaca mogcons da gizidavs ik. me ver carmomidgenia saprangetshi
shemimchnevia amerikelebis gansakutrebuli cinizmi frangebis mimart...
shen ki rogorc bejiti mostsavle imeoreb tutikurshivit. martla ra carieli
churivit xar levan? rasac chagdzaxeben imas amodzaxeb ara?
ra iko icxovre safrangetshi ukve da ar mogetsona tu fraguli rom unda
icode is gatsuxebs? cudia mteli dge da game kafeebshi jdoma rom
sheidzleba da xalxi garegnobas kuradgebas akcevs? tsignebs kitxulobs da
hendeli vinaao imaze sacrisxela tvalebs ar dagichkets ara? cudia rom
shvebulebebi ert da or tviani akvt xom? gaficeb ise shens 5 dgian
shvebulebas, gantavisuflebulo levan. rad ginda ise meti - sakartveloshi
guli ar migitsevs da danarchen dedamitsas agdebit ukureb.
>an rusetshi
> casvla radgan ikauri msoplmxedveloba miugebelia chemtvis.
rusetshi ver vicxovrebdi imitom rom ver gvitanen , amis gadatana
miugebelia chemtvis. msofmxedveloba?
losevi momtsons da teatric. mosaxleoba kongresmenta sxdoma araa ase rom
zogadi ganatlebis magali donec dzalian makmakofilebs. haieki moitsone
ginda tu aratko ver gadavekidebi ubralo adamians.
> vinaidan me
> amerikuli sazogadoeba momcons da ara supta haeri, amitom bunebrivia ak var da
> gatanabrebulad agvikvam garemos. nakls ar vejeb, tumca agvnichnav >roca saciroa.
da sxvebs eschxubebi tu rame tkves. saocar demokratiulobas amjgavneb
avtoritaruli rejimisagan gantavisufelbulo megobaro.
> elemntaruli ambavia rom tu sxa sazogaobashi gadabargdi, pativi miago _xalxs_.
aha! kargad vxvdebi rom umadurobas mabraleb. da dzalian didi xania es
gulshi gitrialebs.
da mamxel kidevac amashi.
moklet gaxasiatebs komunisturi sazogadoebis shvilis tviseba. madloba
unda gadavuxado partias, kvekanas gatseuli amagisatvis. tu ara da
"vigovor".
ise erti kitxva makvs... ra sheni sakmea momtsons amerika tu ara?
ra salaparako tema esaa? amtkiceb rom amerikofiliit xar shebrkobili?
sakartvelo dzalian mikvars magram mis naklsac kargad vxedav. kritikashi
raa aseti dasadzraxi? calmxrivobis da zedapirulobis sauketeso magalits
tavad idzlevi.
magalitad ambob, omi araa is rom vigac kveknis sazgvars kvets da
dedakalaks bombavso. aucilebelia agresorma agiaros, vomobo, ise ver
xvdebi ara? ratom mainc? imitom rom uimedo sikvarulit xar shebrkobili?
me ak rasac vfikrob imas vtser, tamashi da maimunoba mec shemidzlia da
maimuns da kalbs kargad varchev.
moklet sauketeso magalits idzlevi imisas tu ra ganapirobebs imas rom
sakartvelos arasodes ar hkolia mokavshire. vinc tsasula is enas ifxans
tavisi samshoblos landzgva-ginebit da sxva kveknebs kurmochril
ertgulebas ucxadebs.
shen ise emigraciis da naturalizaciis servisidan rom xar es cxadia.
saocari samushao etika shegidzenia. piroba dade rom amxel kvela gulgril
emigrants da moaxseneb visac sachiroa ara? tundac es tvit dedasheni
ikos? samsaxuri xom kvelaferze tsin dgas?
aba ara? eg tu dakarge xom sakutari trusikis meti araferi shegrcheba
xelshi. tumca... shen etkoba cota sxva tsreshi trialeb. sheni sashualo
vali namdvilad naklebia vidre sashualod 30 000. es ricxvi chemi
mokvanili araa sxvatashoris.
levan, sabolood minda dagamshvido da agixsna rom vegar vitan
sakartvelos, rom ik chasvlis tsarmodgenaze majrialebs zizgisagan,
mixaria rom ubedurebisagan shorsa var, da chemi dzlieri kvekana ikit
bugs akenebs vigac tsvintilianebs shoris.
mixaria rom me sastiki da bindzuri komunisti girsi gavxdi am magal
sazogadoebashi cxovrebis.
dzlivs ar gamovecale aracivilur garemos da tavi amovkavi civilizaciis
centrshi?
ra aris is rasac pativi unda vce chems kvekanashi? anda chems tavshi?
mxolod imas rac ak shevidzine: ramodenime zedmet kilograms da 1000-mde
inglisur sitkvas, kidev sabanko sistemis codnas. danarcheni rac ak ar
mimigia mxolod uarkofis girsia chemgan.
akedan fexs rom gavadgam, kulturulad vishokebi kvelgan, radgan
makdonalds ver vxedav kovel fexis nabijze. is xom gamoircheva sakvebis
sauketeso xarisxit? ra vkna ra shevchamo am kveknis garet?
sadaa hamburgeri?
mrcxvenia rom vici matematika, es rogor ekadreba cheshmarit adamians?
tavisufali adamiani da matematika?
klasikur musikaze agarafers vambob ra sachiroa igi? vai sircxvilo...
fexit siaurli ki rad vistsavle? rashi mchirdeba? roca shemodgomis
mshvenier ferebs mankanaze shemxedrebulic vatvaliereb?
ra sachiroa spontanuroba urtiertobebshi? rad minda aba eg?
ai aol-ma gaaketa instant messanger da ikidan chavusafrdebi kvela chems
nacnobs. rashi mchirdeba vinmes naxva saertod?
bavshvebs ezoshi tamashi rogor shehferit? ager araa kompiuteri?
bavshvi xmauriani da chkipina arsebaa, saxls aucileblad gavkidi tu
chemma mezobelma bavshvi gaachina. rad minda xmauri?
samagierod,,,
erti boroti azri mitrialebs tavshi.
ai dzalian tu gavbrazdi am kvekanaze radgan is aseti magali donis
civilizacias tsarmoadgens da demkratiulad klavs xalxs demkratiis
bombebit, vikidi mamlakintsas da kovel dilit vakivleb. :-) dzalian
mikvars mamlakintsebi. ra lamazebi arian da ra kargad kivian. es tu
chavidine chemi kalaki shishisagan dacarieldeba anda me momtxoven am
mamlakintsis mezoblis katisatvis shechmevas.
xedav ra araciviluri adamiani var? soflelis azrebi ar matsuxebs?
mamlakintsa raa? is ragaca xorci rom devs supermarketshi ara?
;-)
gantavisuflebuli demokrati kartveli
nana buxsianidze salams gitvlit kvelas vinac bolosdabolos aket
gamoagtsiet. levan shen pirvel rigshi.
aba he!
meorejer chmetna sakartveloze ar ilaparakot da arc amerikaze kvelaferi
cxadia chemtvis. da am sisuleleze laparakit gadavigale.
kvelas gaumarjos tavis gzaze da tavis gagebashi.
guest
> shemimchnevia amerikelebis gansakutrebuli cinizmi frangebis mimart...shen ki rogorc
> bejiti mostsavle imeoreb tutikurshivit. martla ra carieli
nana roca prangi zemodan gadmogxedavs akcentit dalaparakebistvis da provinciles
gicodebs imitom rom bereti gaxuravs, roca ugirsad chagtvlis imitom rom mlierispiesebi
ar ici an ar giqvars, mere ilaparake cinizmze.
> cudia rom shvebulebebi ert da or tviani akvt xom?
mat 14% umuishevrobac akvt da bolosdabolos ijulebuli gaxdnen saxelmcipo konebis
privatizacia daicqon, ase rom sheijleba esec sheicvalos.
> aha! kargad vxvdebi rom umadurobas mabraleb. da dzalian didi xania es
> gulshi gitrialebs.
qoveltvis maocebs charbad kritikuli da xshirad mtruli damokidebuleba nebismieri
kveqnis macxovreblidan. ikneb es kartuli gamocdilebidan modis roca sakartveloshi
mcxovrebi rusebi an somxebi mxolod dasacuns xedavdnen kartul qopasis qvela dargshi.
logikuri kitxvaa tu ase gamcarebs qvelaperi, ratom xar ak?
aseti uarqopiti damokidebuleba ak mqopi rusebistvis uproa damaxasiatebeli magram mat
mizezi akvt am bogmistvis: meati kveqana shtatebs edareboda da lapshi amoqo tavi.
prangebsaac is agizhebt rom mati gavlena obiekturi mizezbis gamo shemvirda da msoplio
amieriki upiratesobas agiarebs. shen an sxva kartvelebs ra gamcarebt?
> bombebit, vikidi mamlakintsas da kovel dilit vakivleb. :-) dzalian
> mikvars mamlakintsebi. ra lamazebi arian da ra kargad kivian. es tu
> chavidine chemi kalaki shishisagan dacarieldeba anda me momtxoven am
> mamlakintsis mezoblis katisatvis shechmevas.
ashkaraa rom shen jalian seriozuli kulturuli shoki gakvs. amastan ertad
msoplmxedvelobitac ver eguebi akaurobas. shennairad gamcarebuli moxuci rusebic ki ar
minaxavs, romelbmac mteli cxovreba sxav samqaroshi gaatares. jalian rtulia iset
garemoshi icxovro sadac qvelaperi gagizianebs. vimedovneb, am agresiul miugeblobas
nelnela shearbileb.
amdeni nakli chamotvale da is ar agnishne rom amerekelebi gulgia, megobruli da
xelisgammartavi xalxia, rom kuchashi rom modixar shemxvduri bevrjer gimilit chagivlis,
patara bavshvi gamarjobas da tavis saxels getqvis. ar vici aset ra garemoshi cxovrob
magram, me kanadashic da akac xalxis megobruloba da ketilgancqoba meca tvalshi.
chemi azrit shen sakartvelos ubedurebit gamcarebuli, javrs shedarebit upro bednier,
majgar xalxze iqri. tu asea, mcared cdebi , iseve rogorc ggonia rom me INS
tanamshroveli var. ikneb mnishvnelovani informaciis ase mcdarad gagebis bralia rom
shens garshemo qvelapes negatiurad agivam, ikneb ubralod er xvdebi movlenis arss.
ertma berjenma tkva, tkven amerikelbi gulcivi xalxi xart, rom midixart, aravis
uqurebt, tvals aridebto. ashkaraa rom am adamianma arascorad gaigo amerikuli cesi rom
vinmes ar unda micherde, rac ak uzrdelobad itvleba (tu ar vcdebi amas social avoidance
kvia).
kartulma sazogadoebam ver miagcia imis shegnebamde rom ertoblivi jalisxmevt
uzrunvelqos saerto ketildgeoba. sheijleba es imis bralia rom ganatlebuli kartvelebi,
'elita' , mocqvetilia dsavluri mocinave ideebs da araperi icis pirovnebis uplebaze,
mis avtonomiaze da girsebaze. amitom arc misi interesebi dakmaqopileba ainteresebs da
mit umetes arc misi azri. shijleba es imitomacaa rom rigiti kartvelebi aseve ar
eguabian am mojgvrebas.
rogorc gia nodia ambobs, kartvelebs abstraktuilad miachniat tavi dasavletis, evropis
nacilad, xolo roca dasavlurobis arss gaigeben, ukuagdeben.
shen jiutad ugulvebelqop im azrs rom literaturis da xelovnebis codna gacilebit nakleb
mnishvnelovania vidre sazogadoebis civilizebulad carmartva. sainteresoa rom
prangebic da rusebic, romlebic cnobili arian tavianti provinciuli snobizmit,
kronikulad ver axerxeben am sakmis mogvarebas. rusetis istoria kargad ici, saprangetic
aranaklebi sasaklao iqo.
ras margebs natipi xelovneba tu temma momkla?
levani
illar...@my-dejanews.com
guest <name.#@osu.edu> wrote:
> nana wrote:
>
> > shemimchnevia amerikelebis gansakutrebuli cinizmi frangebis mimart...shen ki rogorc
> > bejiti mostsavle imeoreb tutikurshivit. martla ra carieli
>
I would say it's typical not only for Americans. Evryone is cynical about
French, as well as about Russians, as those two nations have a lot in common.
Levan,
Perfectly agree with your ideas. You have expressed everything that I am
seeing living in the US. I want to add one thing, to your words that
Georgians (as well as Greeks, i.e.) think of themselves as a part of Western
civilization, but when it comes to really being there, not many of them are
able to accept Western values.
I would add that it's a part of change rejection attitude. 80% of people have
difficulties trying to change somethign in their lives. But change is a drive
of a progress, and whoever is more susceptible to change will succeed. UK is
considered a conservative nation, but I would say that they are the best in
Europe. Look what they have done with their economy with Thatcher. They have
a unique ability to realize the need for a change when it's needed. The same
and more is true about Americans. Other nations have to learn a lot from
them.
> nana roca prangi zemodan gadmogxedavs akcentit dalaparakebistvis da provinciles
> gicodebs imitom rom bereti gaxuravs, roca ugirsad chagtvlis imitom rom mlierispiesebi
> ar ici an ar giqvars, mere ilaparake cinizmze.
>
> > cudia rom shvebulebebi ert da or tviani akvt xom?
>
> mat 14% umuishevrobac akvt da bolosdabolos ijulebuli gaxdnen saxelmcipo konebis
> privatizacia daicqon, ase rom sheijleba esec sheicvalos.
>
> > aha! kargad vxvdebi rom umadurobas mabraleb. da dzalian didi xania es
> > gulshi gitrialebs.
>
> qoveltvis maocebs charbad kritikuli da xshirad mtruli damokidebuleba nebismieri
> kveqnis macxovreblidan. ikneb es kartuli gamocdilebidan modis roca sakartveloshi
> mcxovrebi rusebi an somxebi mxolod dasacuns xedavdnen kartul qopasis qvela dargshi.
> logikuri kitxvaa tu ase gamcarebs qvelaperi, ratom xar ak?
>
> aseti uarqopiti damokidebuleba ak mqopi rusebistvis uproa damaxasiatebeli magram mat
> mizezi akvt am bogmistvis: meati kveqana shtatebs edareboda da lapshi amoqo tavi.
> prangebsaac is agizhebt rom mati gavlena obiekturi mizezbis gamo shemvirda da msoplio
> amieriki upiratesobas agiarebs. shen an sxva kartvelebs ra gamcarebt?
>
> > bombebit, vikidi mamlakintsas da kovel dilit vakivleb. :-) dzalian
> > mikvars mamlakintsebi. ra lamazebi arian da ra kargad kivian. es tu
> > chavidine chemi kalaki shishisagan dacarieldeba anda me momtxoven am
> > mamlakintsis mezoblis katisatvis shechmevas.
>
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im...@my-dejanews.com
"shedegad, is deda romelic samshobiaroshi mxolod erti dgit rcheba, jansag
bavs agzrdis romlis kbilebi daumpalia, satamasho - shejlebisdagvarad
usaprtxo, sxeuli - ganvitarebuli, sakvebi ki rac sheijleba jansagi."
sheidzleba, magram samagierod rom gaizrdeba ,im shvils ise sheezizgeba
sakutari mshoblebi, rom erti suli ekneba rodis datovos iseni. sibereshi ki
romelime "bebrebis saxlshi" gamoamtskvdevs. da aravin tkvas ik isini
bednierad ariano... tu ase fikrobs vinme tavisi tavi tsarmoidginos igive
dgeshi da gulaxdilad tkvas tviton tu usurvebda igives sakutar tavs. magram
albat es mosalodnelits aris: rogori sitbotits da sikvarulit gaizarda,
isetives ubrunebs ukan. me piradad veravin metkvis tsota xani xar albat ak da
jer ver gaerkvieo. pirikit, es chemi tslebis mandzilze dakvirvebis shedegia.
is rom amerikelebi salmianebi da momgimareebi arian, zustad rom axalchamosuls
xvdeba tvalshi, torem mere tu ak tsxovrob, mixvdebi rom es kvelaferi
mochvenebitia, iseve rogorts kovel game dedis damshvidobeba bavshvtan
tuchebshi kotsnit : "I love you"! amastsinad televiziit gadmostsemdnen
satsodaobas. rogor gaikina 4 tslis bavshvi tkeshi, romelits tavisi sakvareli
dakarguli dzaglis sadzebnelad tsavida. am gadatsemis bolo komentari iko:
xandaxan chaexutet tkven shvilebs, utxarit rom gikvart, radgan ar itsit rodis
tsavlen tsxovrebidano. gana amis tkma gadaxris machvenebeli ar aris. ara
mgonia kartvel mshobels amis mititeba da stsavleba schirdebodes. tu
"tanamodzmis mimart sazareli barbarosobis shemjleobaze" vitkvit rames, ak rom
patologiuri danashaulebi xdeba, eseti arsad, tvit Dostoevskis mier agtseril
rusetshits ki. shvili klavs mshoblebs, tu bavshvi mokvda pirveli echvmitanili
mshoblebi arian, da rats kvelaze agmashfotebelia martlats ase mtkitsdeba,
mama aupatiurebs shvilebs (bichs da gogos). mere gamoirkveva, rom am xalxma
es danashauli imitom chaidina, rom tvitonats igive gadaitanes
bavshvobashi,isinits tavisi mshoblebis msxverpli ikvnen. is bavshvits albat
rom gaizrdeba ragats sashinelebas chaidens. mere ra rom kartveli mshobeli ver
astsavlis shvils stsored kbilebis xexvas da flosvas da amis shedegad dampali
kbilebi ekneba :),( rats ar aris kargi), magram samagierod sulier sitbos
mistsems, shinagan sikvaruls chaunergavs, imxelas rom shvils mshoblebi da
dedmamisshvilebi ekvareba, mati datoveba gauchirdeba, an shertsxveba tu sxva
araferi. amerikeli mshobeli ki imas astsavlis, rom "usafrtxo satamashos"
adgili saxlshia, radgan tu sadme tsaige, sheidzleba sxva bavshvmats moindomos
xelis mokideba da tamashi. me piradad uamravi damaxinjebuli sulis adamiani
davinaxe ak,amit imis tkma ar sheidzleba rom kargi sulis adamianebi ar arian,
an mokvarulebi.amis mtkitseba sisulele ikneboda. albat eris sikargets imit
isazgvreba, tu ramdeni "kargi shvili" kavs, da ara imit ramdeni "tsudi".
illar...@my-dejanews.com
see that you don't understand the fundamentals behind Western culture.
What you are saying (parents killing their kids, etc) is typical for all
bastards around the world. The fact that it is so visible in the US and
Western Europe is because 1) they are not ashamed to talk about hte problems
2) The larger a population you have the more bustards (proportonally the
same) are.
You tend to highlight only negative things (don't know hidden reason, but the
question I have to you and the rest - Why guys do you live in the US if it's
so bad there???? Airlines sell one-way tickets too).
How about comparing Georgian and Western realities? Do you prefer the way
parents raise their childs in Georgia? When 39 year "children" still live
with their parents and what is worse depend on them financially??? Don't you
think the biggest problem we have is inability of youth to think and act
independently? How about perverted husband and wife relationships as a result
of 2 sometimes more families living together?
From what I am experiencing in the US parent/child relationships are far more
normal here than in Georgia. Both children and parents have their private
lifes. NO ONE is nosing your private life around. Versus Georgia, where every
neighbor thinks of her/his duty to snoop around.
Finally, the fact that children strive to be independent from parents as
early as possible is a normal way of life. That explains why they leave their
parents, not because they hate them...
In article <7dq0jp$tr9$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
nana
I didn't live in France yet so I can not share anybody's cinizm towards
this country. I like their cinematography, their literature, their
songs, on the screen and lifge they look very beautiful, and thoughtful.
If I won't see by my own eyes I can not believe what you say. I can be
careful though... I had aquaintances from Belgium and they were quite
nice people. Also they told that by nature I am given ability to speack
in french without accent.
Values I can accept regardless of their origin. It deosn't matter for me
if they are Western or Eastern. More important is how justifiable they
are.
I guess I have more moral right to criticize my own country since it is
mine. It is true. But since I also am human being and many reps of this
kind live on the planet earth I have relative right to criticize other
places on this planet too.
It is hard to talk about USA since it is not homogenious country. What
happens in Urban sproll it doesn't happen in NY, What happens in the
north it deson't happen in the south. For example I didn't notice any
problem related with races. Since I basically saw only one race yet. My
special self belongs to the same race.
Levan when you talk about accent in French and their attitude toward
this, you amuse me. I have listened you when you were translating high
officials in Georgia. Your english is very good. I believe you have no
accent right now. You ask others who don't know language well, how
miserable they feel sometimes when the listener has no ability to hear
you through accent. I have noticed prejudizm toward me based on mu
accent. I can not say that this doesn't take place here.
I never felt any prejudizm based on my appearance but was told many
times that I never saw good food ( I definitely have normal head :-)),
and many other stupid things. This is ennoying acutally.
Cafees in this city on sundays are closed at 5 p.m. I prefer cafees to
restorants, this is why I notice this so much.
So I can not generelize this on entire USA but think that this is caused
by huge cinsideration of work. Even if you don't need to wake up at 4
a.m. you better forget to go to cafee after 5 p.m. on sunday. Also it is
market economy, if you have different taste you might be neglected by
business, since they can not make enough money if they will direct their
business to you. Have you ever though about this? Or it is very hard to
think about?
Tell me if I think that it is not very conviniet, it means I have hard
time to accept western values?
Also, complete absence of public transportation transforms mild snow
into snow storm. I can not belive how negative many people are toward
the beutiful event of the nature ( snow). How it is caused? They have to
drive through that snaw. They have no right to relax since there is no
public transportation in the most USA ( you live in big city and you
perhaps have no idea about this)and they have to go to work.
Absense of public transportation was the result of accupation of market
by "general motors" and its "legal" activities. Die Levan die, it
happens here too, occupation of market!
How it is related with my inability to accept wester values?
What are these western values?
I feel sorry for many kids who can not spend time on vacations anywhere
else then the backyard of their parents's house.
If I think that kids should have good vacations regardless their parents
income, I have hard time with western values? I have hard time with bad
values then. Kids are kids. that's it.
How all this is caused?
I have explanation.
Here is no heritage system on the real estate. so what we had in our
childhood they don't have. All of us could go to the places of our
ansistors and have great vacations in nice villages. Is this western
value? Who exactly benefits from them?
This is why I told that here is no ties to the earth or to the land.
Is it western value? No ties?
Or I talk now as Spanish? Or I talk now as German?
Or I talk now as Georgian?
I definitely don't talk as mongole of the previous centuries.
I don't criticize, I notice and I notice the results of all this on the
quality of human life. Depends what you meen under quality of human
life.
If you mean supermarkets then they are full with waxed fruits and
vegetables, cans full with emulgators and sour creams who never go bad.
This is the good way to keep shelves busy.
Is it a western value?
Are you crazy?
Spoiled stomak is a value? western?
I have to go to health food store to prevent my stomak ache which I
never had in Georgia. You probebly have stomak of alligator.
Also did you notice the cellulie on the women's body? Even skinny women
have this desease. I never saw this in Georgia, regardless the quantity
of fat women I have seen in my life. When I saw this at firts time, I
thought that poor person had cancer. How it is caused exactly? By
healthy food?
Why do you push me by your categorical stupid statements to say all
this?
I don't need to say all this. Who is in need to say only good and never
notice anything worthed of criticizm is exaclty you.
When I told that people long time ago stoped to count on anyone's help I
meant society, relatives and friends. I know that our government is not
very helpful in Georgia, but if not the ability of Georgians to support
each other all country would be dead right now. But how can you see
this? Georgia is very bad!!!
Tell me, am I first to notice that many social cusions are missing in
the wetersn society? If it is a western value, I never saw any real
intelectual liking this. Why so completely accept all? Why not bring
something new? Why not help friend and don't accept money? I am stupid
yes? So naive I am.
I believe in brotherhood if you mean in this word the kindness of human
soul and support. Yap I believe. But I don't believe in forgiving real
crime since it was commited by my friend. So now I don't accept eastern
value.
I don't accept anything what goes into some extremes. That's it.
I don't like parent who doens't want to help his offspring who is on the
verge of bakrupsy. Since there is an obligation between human beings. I
don't like children leaving helpless parents in some houses. But if
noone helps eachother people are not obliged to help any more. it is a
chain reaction.
I have hard time with this. And it is not a value. It is an absense of
value. Instead of accepting everything why not bring something new?
Don't you see that any society always needs refreshing influence?
But what you could bring from terrible Georgia? Only negative is there,
nothing good.
Instead of this you decided that I am not thankful enough and I don't
deserve USA. Who deserves USA? Is it right attitude? How western is it?
To deserve? What this concept means? To deserve?
I am thankful to the Creator who gave me brains, health and life. That's
it.
I am thankful for what I have as a person.
I believe in dialectical world. There is no one side of the truth. And
it is not two dimensional concept, this is why nondialectic thinkers
find it easy to criticize criticizers. But it is true that it is
difficult to write on the both sides of the paper simulteniously, so I
am not critical. I notice that the other side of papaer is not written
yet, it is still black.
And I deserve to live on the planet earth, everywhere. I am human being.
It is not your business to evaluate me from this stand point.
And live me alone with your preaches about how bad Georgia is and how
good USA is. It is very low in my oppinion.
Nana
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> In article <37002AD6...@osu.edu>,
> guest <name.#@osu.edu> wrote:
> > nana wrote:
> >
> > > shemimchnevia amerikelebis gansakutrebuli cinizmi frangebis mimart...shen ki rogorc
> > > bejiti mostsavle imeoreb tutikurshivit. martla ra carieli
> >
>
> I would say it's typical not only for Americans. Evryone is cynical about
> French, as well as about Russians, as those two nations have a lot in common.
>
> Levan,
>
> Perfectly agree with your ideas. You have expressed everything that I am
> seeing living in the US. I want to add one thing, to your words that
> Georgians (as well as Greeks, i.e.) think of themselves as a part of Western
> civilization, but when it comes to really being there, not many of them are
> able to accept Western values.
>
> I would add that it's a part of change rejection attitude. 80% of people have
> difficulties trying to change somethign in their lives. But change is a drive
> of a progress, and whoever is more susceptible to change will succeed. UK is
> considered a conservative nation, but I would say that they are the best in
> Europe. Look what they have done with their economy with Thatcher. They have
> a unique ability to realize the need for a change when it's needed. The same
> and more is true about Americans. Other nations have to learn a lot from
> them.
>
> > nana roca prangi zemodan gadmogxedavs akcentit dalaparakebistvis da provinciles
> > gicodebs imitom rom bereti gaxuravs, roca ugirsad chagtvlis imitom rom mlierispiesebi
--
nana
rogor gabedet amis datsera?
es mxoloddamxolod tkvens calmxrivobas da sheugneblobas miutiebs.
cxadia rom ar gjerat rom amerikashi kargi adamianebic arseboben. mere ra
rom agnishnavt amas? mtavaria naklze miutitet da agaravis stams tkveni
fici mtkici.
ise ki gulze momeshva rac tkveni tserilebi tsavikitxe, torem levans me
aracivilizebul, velur, zedapirul, uarkofit, umadur adamianad- anu
namdvil kartvelad gamovkavar.:-)
maxosvs mitxra mkvleloba ar xdeba ako. tavi mtkivdeba xolme isetebis
mtkicebas itskebs. da moklet dzalit maginebiebs am kvekanas. am dros es
chemi upirvelesi satkivari sulac araa da amis satserad ar shemovdivar
ak.
madlobase gicxadebt aseti gambedaobisatvis.:-)
imedi momecit rom kvela ertad ar gavgijebulvart.
nana
--
nana
>
> You claim that you are a long-timer in the US, but looking at your posting I
> see that you don't understand the fundamentals behind Western culture.
And you understand yes? What makes you think that you are smarter then
the author of this message? Maybe you see the two different sides of the
picture?
>
> What you are saying (parents killing their kids, etc) is typical for all
> bastards around the world.
:-) Illarion you read too many western magazines and phsycologists.
You don't believe to Georgian that parents don't kill in the same extent
their kids in Georgia. Since the person is georgian it means (s)he is
mistaken.
>The fact that it is so visible in the US and
> Western Europe is because 1) they are not ashamed to talk about hte problems
> 2) The larger a population you have the more bustards (proportonally the
> same) are.
>
> You tend to highlight only negative things (don't know hidden reason, but the
> question I have to you and the rest - Why guys do you live in the US if it's
> so bad there???? Airlines sell one-way tickets too).
Tipical, tipical!!!
It is not your business. Many people have serious reasons to stay.
I definitley plan to go back at least before my death. I don't want to
be burries on fireplace. :-)
>
> How about comparing Georgian and Western realities? Do you prefer the way
> parents raise their childs in Georgia? When 39 year "children" still live
> with their parents and what is worse depend on them financially???
Comon, they live with parent because of the economical problem. At least
noone pays for that house 1000000000. Understand? no you don't
understand. My mother left her parent's house when she was 21, same
about my father. So it is caused by economical problem and not by
mentality. Georgians were flexible enough to cope with problems. You
imagine proud weterners in the same shit after 2000 and I can tell you
it will be very uneasy for them to see that they must help eachother.
Society here is very introrvert and egocentrical. But you like it very
much.
>Don't you
> think the biggest problem we have is inability of youth to think and act
> independently?
it is cause by economic situation. I always thought independently.
Don't generelize anything without seeng the reason.
>How about perverted husband and wife relationships as a result
> of 2 sometimes more families living together?
Relationships can be perverted everywhere.
Unswer: economy again!
>
> From what I am experiencing in the US parent/child relationships are far more
> normal here than in Georgia.
Of course...:-)
>Both children and parents have their private
> lifes.
Economy caused 39 years old people to live in the house which they could
get as a heratage. But generally Georgian society is more judgmental
sinse it is older society and has more rules. Sometimes they are really
impossible. So what it means? that USA don't have any problem? How this
two exaclty are related?
eh....
>NO ONE is nosing your private life around. Versus Georgia, where every
> neighbor thinks of her/his duty to snoop around.
So how this improves the situation in USA?
> Finally, the fact that children strive to be independent from parents as
> early as possible is a normal way of life.
And unindependent Indians come here and programme and design everything
for them Because when americans were spending time to prove that they
don't need parents, Indians and others take education and don't need to
struggle with life. As a result, at 24-25 we have far more education
then free children of americans.
>That explains why they leave their
> parents, not because they hate them...
but many times they hate them.
And how all this changes that there are many perverted murders happening
and generally many perverted things happening in USA?
How the problem in these two countires are related with eachother? Why
one can not have right to notice something?
Why not be wise about all this?
Who told you that someone is better then us? Everything is frame of
refferences.
Nana
guest
im...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> sheidzleba, magram samagierod rom gaizrdeba ,im shvils ise sheezizgeba
> sakutari mshoblebi, rom erti suli ekneba rodis datovos iseni.
xshirad gamigonia kartvelebi amboben rusebi taviant shvilebs 18 clis migcevisas
garet agdebeno. garet ki ar agedben, 18 clis adamini damoukidebelia da calke
unda qopna. es tu rusbshi asea, am kveqanashi sadac pirad damoukideblobas ase
didi quradgeba akceven mitumetes upro ikneba.
> sibereshi ki romelime "bebrebis saxlshi" gamoamtskvdevs. da aravin tkvas ik
> isini
> bednierad ariano...
imedi, qvela sazogadoeba garegnulad ertnairad ar acqobs cxovreba. es imas ar
nishnavs rom xalxs ertmaneti ar uqvars. roca ijulebuli xar amushaos gamo
agmosavletidan dasavlet sanapiroze gadaxvide da sheijleba araertxel, jnelia ise
moikce rogorc sakartveloshi an andorashi mcxovrebi. amerikelebi da dasavlet
evropelebi oci celi ara atareben jajebs gardacvlilisatvis da civil kivilit
ar iklaven tavs, magram es imas ar nishnavs rom axloblis sikvdils ar
ganicdia. shen mxolod xiluls akcev quradgebas da mis migma ar midixar. es
ki sacovaras cucnas gavs.
> "tanamodzmis mimart sazareli barbarosobis shemjleobaze" vitkvit rames, ak rom
>
> patologiuri danashaulebi xdeba, eseti arsad, tvit Dostoevskis mier agtseril
> rusetshits ki.
kargad rom dapikrde, sheijleba iseve shecvalo sheni azri rogorc ameriki
ssaelchoshi krtamebis upragono micemaze. shen erti rameze unda dapikrde,
amdeni ubedureba ak imitom xdeba rom masze _dauparavad_ laparakoben tu imitom
rom sxva kveqnebtan shedarebit metia.
meore axsna araa gamoricxuli magram ise ar mogivides rogorc zogiertisgan
gamigonia, am kveqanashi ramdeni xeibari da kutiao, sakartveloshi an rusethi
amdens ver naxavo. imitom ver naxav amden xeibars rom mati umetesoba
saxlshia amokolili, garet xalxis shishit da pirobebis ukonlobis gamo ver
gamodis. ase rom daparuli problema problemis ararsebobas sruliadac ar
nishnavs.
roca kartuli sazogadoeba upro galaxdili gaxdeba, isic gamochndeba rom mamebi
da maminacvalebi shvilebs seksualirad bgalaven da sxva ramec. sakartvelos
asociaciis am clis ianvris gamocemashi ukve daicera rom tbilisis usaxlkaro
bavshvebi mejavobit irchenen tavs da mat cinaagmdeb seksualuri jaladobac xdeba.
ubralod avtorma, vindaidan kartuli sazogadoeba jer miuchvevelia, zogiert
shemtxvevas 'against nature' ucoda. arabunebrivia tu ki, pakti isaa rom
aseti rameebi adamianur sazogadoebashi qoveltvis xdeba. sxva ambavia amas
miachumateb tu saashkaraoze gamoitan.
> mere ra rom kartveli mshobeli ver [] samagierod sulier sitbos
> mistsems, shinagan sikvaruls chaunergavs, imxelas rom shvils mshoblebi da
> dedmamisshvilebi ekvareba,
shen albat imat ar gulisxmob vinc carbsheuxrelad moklavs mezobels an ucnobs.
siqvarulis da megobrobis sadgegrjelos itqvis da purmarilis mere tanamesupres
gamopushavs. dedis da kalis sadgegrjelos itqvis da mas chemi deda movtqano
daamatebs. kals oras vards miutans magam 'kalis ckuao' gaixumrebs.
nebismier sazogadoebashi aris kargi da cudi, ubralod zogshi erti carbobs.
sakartveloshi boloxanebshi cudma imjlavra, iseve rogorc guramishvilis dros da
manamdec. rogorc chans kartul sazogadoebashi aris iseti ragac romelic zedapirs
kvemotaa da advilad ichens tavs. somxetsac da azerbaijansac igive gacirveba
akvt, magram jmatakvla arcerts ar daucqia. am kveganashi ki ise moxerxes rom
gasaciri
babua bebiebs tu axovt bundovnad.
levan
guest
> Your english is very good.
Thank you but when it was not good, i was not corrected every time i mispronounced, there
were not snikers.
A Russian who had a very think accent however, told me that I obviously was an educated
person becuase i spoke Russian without an eccent. Such damaging conclsusions are what are
absent in this country for the most part.
> This is ennoying acutally. Cafees in this city on sundays are closed at 5 p.m.
What is that wretched city?
> Also it is market economy, if you have different taste you might be neglected by
> business,
which is a country where all tastes are satisfied?
> Also, complete absence of public transportation transforms mild snow
> into snow storm. []
> I feel sorry for many kids who can not spend time on vacations anywhere
> else then the backyard of their parents's house.
> []
> Here is no heritage system on the real estate. so what we had in our
> childhood they don't have. []
> This is why I told that here is no ties to the earth or to the land.
if you reject crammed living, don't go to Japan. if you reject body odour, dont leave the
US. if you reject cold, dont go to Siberia. if you reject unsafe driving, dont go to
Georgia. These are essential things in these environments and if you have severe alergy to
them, it will be only logacal not to get in them.
> Also did you notice the cellulie on the women's body? Even skinny women
> have this desease. I never saw this in Georgia,
celulite or fat in women is a natural occurence which ensures that women have eneough energy
source for childbirth. almost ALL women have fat deposits around their thighs and hips. If
your body fat goes bellow a certain point, you will stop mensruating which show the
connection between fat and childbirth function. because women have thinner skin than men,
fat is more visible as dimples , which distresses some.
If you think that especially a middle aged Georgian or Russian woman does now have
cellulite, you will have to live to that age and see for yourself.
Levan
L_e_x_o
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> What you are saying (parents killing their kids, etc) is typical for all
> bastards around the world. The fact that it is so visible in the US and
> Western Europe is because 1) they are not ashamed to talk about hte problems
> 2) The larger a population you have the more bustards (proportonally the
> same) are.
No, not typical.You do know wery well,that not typical, The fact that it
is visible in the US and Western Europe is because:
1) They really do it
2) fully agree with your second statement.
L_e_x_o
Marika
making opposite observations.
First of all I'd like to advise imedi not to watch so much TV - he might
become like Levan :-)
Perverted and horrible crimes especially against innocent children sure
create lots of interest, that's why media is always in such a hurry to report
things like that. It isn't that they aren't ashamed about this problem - it
just about entertainment :-(
It is wrong to judge whole nation by those shows. Parents are parents
everywhere - loving own children is a feature of all peoples (and almost all
animals).
It is wonderful that young adults have a chance to go out and live on their
own, good experience for a whole life. It is better to make mistakes in young
age, rather when you are older and have a family. This is almost impossible
for young georgians. Nana is absolutely right - economic situation wouldn't
allow. Also there is a habbit, living the certain way creates habbits.
Another thing - if it hard for men to live alone, but it is ten times even
harder for a woman, exactly by the reason of "neighborly interest".
Economic situation is the main cause of all "goods" and "bads" here and there
in a family. Wise Levan noted that children are healthier here. Well, give
georgian children the same kind of nutrition, parks and playgrounds and with
the same exact parents they won't have rotten teeth. But here is a trick -
can you afford having a child at all? The economic reasons cause people here
to postpone having children till they are late 30s and even 40s. Do you think
that's healthy?
on another topic: this disscussion started when Nana expressed her consern
about bombing. Now it is so far away from that point that doesn't even make
sence to go back. Good work, Levan. You managed to lead discussion from
political problem to some sick argument - "nana hates america". FYI she has
more respect for this country then you do. She isn't constantly kissing every
porch in her neighborhood like you do, but she is trying to learn and see
what this country is about - that's why she wants to share her experiences
and what she has seen and heard.
Some people come here, use all the benefits and opportunities this society
has to offer and then turn around and pour dirt on it, laughing how they
managed to use it. This is sick and there is something really wrong with
these people. But something is also wrong with those who come here and do
nothing but pour dirt on the country they left behind. This is even worse -
how a person who hates his homeland can love any other land? One can feel
only sorry for a sick man who totally lost feeling of patriotism (as well as
a sence of humor and ability to tell sarcasm from serious talk) - who denies
his nationality - same individuality. Should I find your message Levan where
you say "you, georgians..."? Well, whoever is curious can do that himself.
nana
Okey.
I can't do the same.
I am really done.
I guess I can't prove anything. Even if I will write an essay. Why
bother? Stupid me! For whom? For the man with "idea fix"? I tried to
read what I wrote and I got tired, it is soo long. I tried soo hard for
him. What did he understand? nothing.
why? he is right.
Calm down, ghost.
And here is an explanation for everybody who tries to explain something
to him:"Against stupidity the gods themselves
contend in vain." ;-)))
Schiller, not me.
nana
ghost wrote:
>
> nana wrote:
>
> > Your english is very good.
>
> Thank you but when it was not good, i was not corrected every time i mispronounced, there
> were not snikers.
>
> A Russian who had a very think accent however, told me that I obviously was an educated
> person becuase i spoke Russian without an eccent. Such damaging conclsusions are what are
> absent in this country for the most part.
>
> > This is ennoying acutally. Cafees in this city on sundays are closed at 5 p.m.
>
> What is that wretched city?
>
> > Also it is market economy, if you have different taste you might be neglected by
> > business,
>
> which is a country where all tastes are satisfied?
>
> > Also, complete absence of public transportation transforms mild snow
> > into snow storm. []
> > I feel sorry for many kids who can not spend time on vacations anywhere
> > else then the backyard of their parents's house.
> > []
> > Here is no heritage system on the real estate. so what we had in our
> > childhood they don't have. []
> > This is why I told that here is no ties to the earth or to the land.
>
> if you reject crammed living, don't go to Japan. if you reject body odour, dont leave the
> US. if you reject cold, dont go to Siberia. if you reject unsafe driving, dont go to
> Georgia. These are essential things in these environments and if you have severe alergy to
> them, it will be only logacal not to get in them.
>
> > Also did you notice the cellulie on the women's body? Even skinny women
> > have this desease. I never saw this in Georgia,
>
> celulite or fat in women is a natural occurence which ensures that women have eneough energy
> source for childbirth. almost ALL women have fat deposits around their thighs and hips. If
> your body fat goes bellow a certain point, you will stop mensruating which show the
> connection between fat and childbirth function. because women have thinner skin than men,
> fat is more visible as dimples , which distresses some.
>
> If you think that especially a middle aged Georgian or Russian woman does now have
> cellulite, you will have to live to that age and see for yourself.
>
> Levan
--
lev...@my-dejanews.com
nana wrote:
>
> And here is an explanation for everybody who tries to explain something
> to him:"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ;-)))
> Schiller, not me.
nana it has to be Schiller because you didin't even know what the purpose of a fine was and
suggested that if it were lowered then everyone could pay it, instead of having to bribe a
policeman who fines them.
you also thought that when besik cancelled peoples posting in usenet, his biggest mistake was that
he imagined he was a better programmer and that we should not have judge him too harshly because
every one of us could do the same ( delete others posting)
of course we all can. we all (at least those not crippled by Lou Gheing's desease) are also
able to pull a trigger and kill someone. does that mean that we should not punish the one who
actually does opull a trigger.
in your highly volotile mind it certainly we should not.
Levan
im...@my-dejanews.com
guest <name.#@osu.edu> wrote:
" qvela sazogadoeba garegnulad ertnairad ar acqobs cxovreba. es imas ar
nishnavs rom xalxs ertmaneti ar uqvars. roca ijulebuli xar amushaos gamo
agmosavletidan dasavlet sanapiroze gadaxvide da sheijleba araertxel, jnelia
ise moikce rogorc sakartveloshi an andorashi mcxovrebi...shen mxolod xiluls
akcev quradgebas da mis migma ar midixar. es ki sacovaras cucnas gavs."
Me pirikit momechvena, rom adamiani romelits datsers: amerikeli dedis
gazrdil bavshvs ufro jansagi kbilebi ekneba, ufro usafrtxo satamasho, jansagi
sachmeli da amitom fizikurad ufro dzlieri gaizrdeba- stsored is aktsevs
xiluls kuradgebas da mis migma ar midis. kidev ertis tkmas gavbedav: albat
tkven jer ar gkavt shvilebi da amitom ar shedjaxebixart akaur
mshobleb-shvilebis damokidebulebas. tkven jer kvelaferi tsin gakvt. da
bolos, mets imis tkma mindoda, rom vinaidan amerikelebi mudmiv modzraobashi
imkofebian, imis mixedvit tu sad ishovian samsaxurs, gamomushavebuli akvt
refleksi, rom aravin gultan axlos ar unda miikvanon, ar unda gaichinon
mudmivi megobari, ar unda sheikvaron vinme ise, rom mere misi datoveba
gauchirdet. mati tsxovrebis tsesi da buneba asetia, amitom zedapiruli
urtiertobebi axasiatebt.
lev...@my-dejanews.com
> It isn't that they aren't ashamed about this problem - it just about
> entertainment :-(
first, why should they be ashamed of it? you speak from a different cultural
perspective on such matters where some things should be hidden from the eyes of
the outsiders. that is a siege mentality which perputuates the problem. When
people speak about child molestation, or rape, being ashamed is not their
concern. the concern is how to change the sitution. In fact, many victims
express exactly this sentiment. This is a higher level of understanding and
responsibility.
Second, if it is not revealed as a problem, how can you treat it? if you dont
tell children what is suspicious and what not how can they be protected?
out of sight out of mind is what you want?
> Parents are parents everywhere - loving own children is a feature of all
> peoples (and almost all animals).
if that were true universally and at all times, then we would have no infatricide
(in india and china for example). when life is tough people want to ensure that
some of their children survive, not all. so they kill the undesirable ones. does
love of an offspring prevent them from killing them? or selling them for
prostiutin as it happenes in south east Asia.
>if it hard for men to live alone, but it is ten times even
>harder for a woman, exactly by the reason of "neighborly interest".
marika some people want to have a pie and eat it too. Neighbourly intrest
happens when you have a tight community ( as in many traditional societies) In
such cases, you have interaction of neighbours, 'soulness' as some may call it,
extended family. but you also have no privacy (along with inefficient means of
satisfying peoples needs). 'No privacy' happenes even in small towns in this
country, though it is not done in obvious and invasive ways, again becuase this
is not a traditional society any more and people understand the need for personal
space and distance.
If you want to have privacy, that will happen naturally when society is past the
traditional stage, when it gets to an impersonall stage. but this is exactly
what Nana and Besik, specifically, complain about: that there is no soul in this
country, that people dont know their neighbours, etc
I have the impression that some here are like children, looking at an old,
wrinkled person and saying "he is disgusting, I am not liike her'; as children
want to grow up as fast as possible, these people too want to have economic
prosperity. Like children, they dont understand that reaching a certain stage
has consequences: when you get old, you WILL have wrinkles. wrinkles will not
be the same in every society, but they are inevitable.
> Wise Levan noted that children are healthier here. Well, give
> georgian children the same kind of nutrition, parks and playgrounds and with
> the same exact parents they won't have rotten teeth.
Who gives them these thing if not the society itself. Should not the society
decide that there has to be a system under which economic development is possible
so that children have a better future. And how can this economic develoment
happen if almost all of those who argued with me recently said that I was crazy
for not giving bribes and conributing to corruption?
> But here is a trick -can you afford having a child at all? The economic reasons
> cause people here to postpone having children till they are late 30s and even
> 40s. Do you think that's healthy?
economic reasons dont stop teenagers from having children, which is a serious
problem at least in this country. also, many poor have two and more children.
so they can't be the only reasons
I think several reasons cause some people to postpone having kids. from those,
I know of two: one is the desire to get an education and establish a career (
which in a traditional society will be cinsidered a selfish, reprehensible act,
but which is inevitable in all modern societies) another is realted to this one
and is What the parents want to give their child - an Ivy league education or
12 years of school or less.
if you choose the first you 1) have enough education to strive for the better 2)
understand that only one or two of your kids can afford to go there . this comes
from being educated, which broadens you desires and gives you the ability to
make a cause and effect connection;
levan
lev...@my-dejanews.com
im...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3701076A...@osu.edu>,
> guest <name.#@osu.edu> wrote:
>
> " qvela sazogadoeba garegnulad ertnairad ar acqobs cxovreba. es imas ar
> nishnavs rom xalxs ertmaneti ar uqvars. roca ijulebuli xar amushaos gamo
> agmosavletidan dasavlet sanapiroze gadaxvide da sheijleba araertxel, jnelia
> ise moikce rogorc sakartveloshi an andorashi mcxovrebi...shen mxolod xiluls
> akcev quradgebas da mis migma ar midixar. es ki sacovaras cucnas gavs."
>
> Me pirikit momechvena, rom adamiani romelits datsers: amerikeli dedis
> gazrdil bavshvs ufro jansagi kbilebi ekneba, ufro usafrtxo satamasho, jansagi
> sachmeli da amitom fizikurad ufro dzlieri gaizrdeba- stsored is aktsevs
> xiluls kuradgebas da mis migma ar midis.
es martlac saocari ramaa. imedi, me arsebit rameebze vlapaakob, shen ki savsebit
ver ansxvaveb mnishvnelovan da umnishvnelo rames.
sami celi rom tavdaqira ekido shvilis dakargvis gamo, amit verapers asargebleb
micvalebuls. magram tu imas uzrunvelqop rom sheni shvili saxipato satamashom
ar daabrmaos an moklas, rom man usaprtxo mankanashi imgzavros, da jansagi
sacmeli kondes, titoeli asti zrunva mis gadarchenis shansebs da bednierebas
shematebs.
mtavaria ramdenadac shesajlebelia usaprxo gaxado adaminis qopa rom tavidan
asaridebeli ramit ar mokvdes, torem amgvarad dagupuli rom mamapapurad daitiro
amit vis ra sheemateba?
leani
nana
>
> Nana and Illarion I think you both are in some ways right, although you are
> making opposite observations.
If he is able to admit that he is not Messia telling the 100% truth
then I do agree.
> But here is a trick -
> can you afford having a child at all? The economic reasons cause people here
> to postpone having children till they are late 30s and even 40s. Do you think
> that's healthy?
Marika!
I have heared that In Minesotta there are signes of future demographic
catastophe.:-)
Levan is multipying tremendously! His kids will have perfect teeth, and
very good muscular system. They asked our NG to adresse him personally.
"Stop! Levan stop multipying for god's sake! For the sake of USA and the
future of social security!" :-))
Very soon Georgia will have real Georgians in minessota. They after
thirty years will declare independence and .... Russia.... no China will
bomb them to save poor USA from human catastrophy. No I am mistaken,
China will bomb USA to prevent Lev's ofsprings from human catastrophy.
No, I am mistaken again, China will bomb USA to save USA from Human
catastrophy... Is it right? I am confused now... Roles are really mixed
in the world right now. Who is bombing whom and who is supporting who is
really difficult to say. Future seems even more obscure but one bright
spot still remains! ____ Levan is multiplying georgian geen in USA!!!
And they will have perfect teeth!!!
> "nana hates america".
rasac hkvia me shavghondi...sxvebis ar vici.
> FYI she has
> more respect for this country then you do.
I just heared the loud gun shut from Minesotta!
Levan AUU!!! Are you there? Hope he is alife. ;-)
>She isn't constantly kissing every
> porch in her neighborhood like you do, but she is trying to learn and see
> what this country is about - that's why she wants to share her > > >>experiences and what she has seen and heard.
Share?! Do you believe in brotherhood?!
It is not a western value!!! you must be uncivilized!;-)
>
> Some people come here, use all the benefits and opportunities this society
> has to offer and then turn around and pour dirt on it, laughing how they
> managed to use it. This is sick and there is something really wrong with
> these people.
Levan spotted this kind of bastard in me! Uuh!!! HAIT!
This is why he designed the case against me and is using all georgian
stalin-beria tricks available for now.
> But something is also wrong with those who come here and do
> nothing but pour dirt on the country they left behind. who denies
> his nationality - same individuality.
You don't know basics of western philosophy and cardeology.
Also don't say this Marika, if you want your kids to have good teeth.
:-))))
>Should I find your message Levan where
> you say "you, georgians..."?
He probably was talking with his future kids in Minesotta. Don't you
hear the fatherly tone in those words?
Nana
:-)
BesikiNews
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> nana wrote:
>
> >
> > And here is an explanation for everybody who tries to explain something
> > to him:"Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." ;-)))
> > Schiller, not me.
>
> nana it has to be Schiller because you didin't even know what the purpose of
a fine was and
> suggested that if it were lowered then everyone could pay it, instead of
having to bribe a
> policeman who fines them.
>
> you also thought that when besik cancelled peoples posting in usenet, his
biggest mistake was that
> he imagined he was a better programmer and that we should not have judge
him too harshly because
> every one of us could do the same ( delete others posting)
====
Besiki - Here you are again:) Can't you tired to ro talk about same topic all
the time. Shure, you know too and I guess you already canceled some messages.
Who thought you smart guy? I remember how you went to other NG (computers)
and asking a some a very interesting for you questions concerning of computer
develpoment:) And after several days you canceled those messages why Levan?
What was in? Did you were afraid that we will have a chance to read it? Shure
you did ... Levan, as I have seen you become very boring. I thought I was
just your problem here, but not I have mistaken. You once again demonstrated
that you are a main problem here and noone else, even so "terrable" Dimitry
Volshebnik is much better then you are. You don't have a rules and culture
how to post, ask or answer a letters from a people who have totally diferent
attitude; No, they are enemies of yours. Forgive me but you keep a lot of
malevolence. Cleen yourself now, before it's not latter; Start it today.... I
thought you were educated man and here I was mistaken too. I feel evel from
you; I feel a big pity on you. You say that you like here, but I can't see
you so happy. Have a lot problems? Of cource you do. But still, you prefer to
have chemicals then real natural, herbal food, or maybe you like to dress
buggy stile pents? I wish I see you in it, how you will look:) You never say
about yourself, why? Are you afraid of something? You seem like looser who
can't do nothing in Georgia and lives here on a somebody's cervix. And why
not? It's so easy life here. Just say or post very bed things about own
country then show them others and you'll be protected and financed. Go head,
smart and brave, valiant guy. Don't we forget that you are even not afraid to
dress a T-Short with swastica on it and walk in he sreets. Such a valiant,
herculess, Levarsculess... I am really get bored. Aren't you? On March 31, 8
years ago, the Georgian people voted for independence. Happy Holiday! (if you
have one or feel one).
-BesikiNews-
http://angelfire.com/ga/Georgian
im...@my-dejanews.com
nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> Imedi,
>
> rogor gabedet amis datsera?
> es mxoloddamxolod tkvens calmxrivobas da sheugneblobas miutiebs.
> cxadia rom ar gjerat rom amerikashi kargi adamianebic arseboben. mere ra
> rom agnishnavt amas? mtavaria naklze miutitet da agaravis stams tkveni
> fici mtkici.
> ise ki gulze momeshva rac tkveni tserilebi tsavikitxe, torem levans me
> aracivilizebul, velur, zedapirul, uarkofit, umadur adamianad- anu
> namdvil kartvelad gamovkavar.:-)
> maxosvs mitxra mkvleloba ar xdeba ako. tavi mtkivdeba xolme isetebis
> mtkicebas itskebs. da moklet dzalit maginebiebs am kvekanas. am dros es
> chemi upirvelesi satkivari sulac araa da amis satserad ar shemovdivar
> ak.
> madlobase gicxadebt aseti gambedaobisatvis.:-)
> imedi momecit rom kvela ertad ar gavgijebulvart.
> nana
didi madloba nana, tkveni tserilebidan gamomdinare ashkaraa, rom guli
shegtkivat sakartveloze da im adamianebis ritsxvs ar ganekutvnebit,
romlebsats samshoblos shegrdzneba dakarguli akvt,isini sul ertia sad
iknebian, ogond kargad moergon.
BesikiNews
lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> im...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> > Me pirikit momechvena, rom adamiani romelits datsers: amerikeli dedis
> > gazrdil bavshvs ufro jansagi kbilebi ekneba, ufro usafrtxo satamasho,
jansagi
> > sachmeli da amitom fizikurad ufro dzlieri gaizrdeba- stsored is aktsevs
> > xiluls kuradgebas da mis migma ar midis.
>
> es martlac saocari ramaa. imedi, me arsebit rameebze vlapaakob, shen ki
savsebit
> ver ansxvaveb mnishvnelovan da umnishvnelo rames.
>
===
Besiki - da martla da martla ratom ar usment Levans kuradgebit:)
Imedi levani mfrinav mishaze laparakobs da rogor vera xvdebi amas she kai
katso. agar gabedo egeti raime shemdegistvis torem dges rom gapatia karg
xasiatze iko bevri ragatseebits gadauqeqia chveni arqividan da mermistvis ki
igi agar gapatiebs:) Levan doesn't play a games. He is serious man.
drama-komedia nomeri me-3-ame grdzeldeba.
mtavar rolebshia:
-Levarsi - igive Levani. A main figure; Protector and defender of all nations
(but chosen ones), he defended also mfrinavi misha and poor Albanians (agretve
sakonsulos tanamshromelta girseba da vin mostvlis ramdeni sulebi gadaarchina
dagupvisagan).
-BesikiNews- A fashist, provincialist, "underwaterist" kapiatni Nemo.
attarebs ara koveldgiur "attakebs" protiv glovnogo geroia iz svoego podvodnoi
vodki(vodkashi ar shegeshalot, es tskalqvesha navia). misi gemis natsili
aafetqes man da misma simartlis damtsvelma dzmebma, mgram kapitani nemo
sakvirvelad gadarcha. mas elis sruli ganadgureba (es kinos shinaarisis
autsilebeli pirobaa). idzaxian rom igi indoetis okeaneshi kvelaze grma
ufrskultan imalebao. asea tu ise Inglisis mefem , meufem, mtel samkaros kniaz
- Levanma kargad itsis rom kapitan nemos koordinatebi agar aris ragats faruli
paroli - socanteli. es ki sashualebas adzlevms mas ufro gaboboqrebit edzios
kapitani nemos adgilmdebareoba da sruli ganadgureba miakenos mas. besikinewsi
aris serbebis moskiduli agenti, hkavs bevri mafiozi amxanagi serbebi. mtavar
gmirs misi eshinia, es man adrets "kulturulad" ganatsxada. igi daaxlovebit 25
tselsaa gadatsilebuli, ar gavs qartvels, adre tanamshromlobda KGB-stan, (amis
shesaxeb baton Siradzes aaqvs web gverdi gaxsnili da sabutebi tsardgenili),
zedmetsaxeli iko: "webmastera". igi xasiattdeba rogorts "Most wanted man"
rametu aajanka mteli xalxebi umtsikvlo mefeta da meufebis tsinaagmdeg.
-Imeda - axal imedi chvens NG-ze, jerjerobit farul partizanul brdzolebs
axortsielebs:) serbebis moskiduli iqneba albat. damatebiti tsnobebi mis
shesaxeb damushavebis stadiashia.
-Nana- mtavari msxverpli da patimari. misi danashaulia ar daakonkreta ras
nishnavs me-3-e. aman ki gamoitsvia Levanis agshfoteba: "rogor gabede avazako,
ra mesame, ris mesame- me mxolod erti varo":) igi daunaxavi adamiania:) aq mas
kvelaferi mistses da mas maints arakofnis da gailashqra Holy Kingdomis
tsinnagmdeg. xoda raunda elaparakos amis shemdeg mtavrobam, mokle pasuxi:
"Ganadgurdes. (xels atsers - MEFE, Meufe Levarsius Greatius. Lersinvania,
LUSA)". mas aseve bralad edeba qartuli nagavi chais shemotanisa da amerikis
sufta bazarze misi gavrtselebis gamo. amboben rom man chumad dargo am chais
ramodenime nergi kaliforniis okeanes napirtan rom amit ufro meti zarali
miakenos amerikis umtsikvlo bizness da mtavrobas.
-L-e-x-o- - erterti axali tavxedi partizani. atsarmoebs partizanul dartkmebs
zurgidan, anu saqartvelodan. rogorts chans mistvis es "mesame msoflio omia,
magram sxva formit". igi sastiki avazakia. antiamerikisti (oh, rogor gabeda)da
tanamedrove natsisti:) maszed braldebania shetanili amerikis sakonsulodan rom
man vinme besikaniusstan ertad imdenad sheuratsko sakonsulos tanamshromelta
saxeli rom iq agaravin midis da amerika sheshfotebulia am faqtit. ki magram
darchat "juvachkebi" misatsemi im qartvelebisatvis da ra qnan agar itsian.
(ifiqres, ifiqres, ifiqres da mere zgvashi gadakares; aba Serbebs xom ar
mistsemdnen satsodavi "rape"-rebis,iznasilavatel Albanelebis dachagvrats ekot.
rao, serbebs ra undato? matma gogonebma turme madloba unda tqvan rom Albaneli
ulvashadamshvenebul, mchvenieri chabukebi kadruloben da zogjer pivis mere
"axsendebat" isini. ra shuashia qalishviloba... Serbebo - tzvelmodistebo, droa
chkva istsavlot. chaabaret eg "peganuri" gadmonashtebi istorias da airiet
sisxlit ertmanetshi. You will love it...).
Lexo - mgoni Serbiis mxarezea, daudgenelia. erti ram tsxadia rom kargi suni ar
udis:)
--
Marika - bejiti damtsveli msxverplis mxarisa, moxaliseta armiidan. asrulebs
"volunteer" davalebebs:) serbielebis mxarezea mattshi sakutar abxazetis
problemas xedavs. dandoba maints ar elis, ar aris Kingdomistvis gamosadegi.
Alligatory - Nilosidan gamovardnili mxetsi:) igi mgoni dachrilia da vegar
asrulebs tavis movaleobebs. ramdenime xnis tsin sastiki attakebit sheutia
lurj dvarets, tsinagam mefe gadmoagdo taxtidan. mas tsota nervebi ar eko
torem kargi meomari iko. exla ki tavis firma manqanashi zis da chrilobebs
kurnavs. He "imegined himself in the mercury". ise ki man tsinagam ajoba
mtavar gmirs. magram es mxolod - tsinagam - megobrebo. tsinagam ki ar
itvleba.
magram xom itsit mtavari gmiri ar kvdeba filmebshi da arts chevni dramis
dasrulebas aaqv piri.
da martla gamogvrcha
- Ilarioni Ludvig Me-13-ete - igi Dumbadzis tomidanaa mgoni, tumtsa aq me
-"13" gochis rols ufro asrulebs:) igi NATOsistia, Kingdomis sauketeso konsuli
adamianebis uflebebis datsvashi,sastikad etsodeba muslimani albanelebi da
moutsodebs mat rom kidev ufro sheution Serbiel gogonebs exla induri chais
mere maints tu piva agar shvelis. mas hkavs sakutari artileria da datsva.
dajildoebulia amerikis medlit amerikaze gagijebuli sikvarulis gamo.
drama kidev grdzeldeba. mimdinareobs shepkrobili nanas gasamartleba, exla 5
tsutiani pererivia. gagrdzeleba iqneba.
I'll be back!
-BesikiNews-
http://angelfire.com/ga/Georgian
(Updated)
guest
> Perfectly agree with your ideas.
Ilarion, that is an honor coming from you ;-)
> Georgians (as well as Greeks, ) think of themselves as a part of Western
> civilization, but when it comes to really being there, not many of them are
> able to accept Western values.
for the sake of fairness, Georgia really had very little exposure to the West, and the
impressions received at the first meeting may still change.
As for the Greece, it has been in the midst of Europe and ironically, it is related to
the Ancient Greece which was the source of much in that European civilization.
Unfortunately, today as Smauel Huntington asserted, Greece stands on the other side of the
Western civilization, togeter with Russia, that perenial enemy of that civilization.
I really hope that Georgia does not join them simply because all these cultures choose to
cowtow to icons and be fooled by trogloditic, priests. That would be equl to voluntarily
chaing yourself to a sinking ship.
Levan
BesikiNews
sindisze unda aigos xeli an ki misnairi unda gaxdes. nu miugdeb kurs mas
atasjer vtsade normalurad mivdgomodi, magram igi imden gvardzls, shurs da
sitavxedes avlens rom araferma ar gaschra mastan mimartebashi. ori variantia
mastan midgomisa: an kuri ar unda ugdo an ki egadavo da tavs daganebebs
(tumtsa amashi echvi mepareba). da maints, nu aishli nervebs. shen araferze
ar gaqvs tavi dasatsveli. qartvel kats romelsats kvela martlmadidebeli
qartvelebi tsarmartebad miachnia da kovelnairad tsdilobs ra tqvas raime augi
saqarveloze ra unda elaparako. xoda ikos im sakutar amerikel dzmebtan da mat
mixedon. ise ara mgonia rom mas saqartvelo ar enatrebodes, ai magalitad katsi
romelits saatobit zis kompiutertan da tsers uamrav, xshirad logikas moklebul
tserilebs miutitebs imaze rom mas simartove shehkria da amshi albat
saqartvelos adanashaulebs. ra vqnat ise ukvars Amerika rom ver xvdeba sadamde
davida, aba Amerikas xom ar daadanashaulebs sakutari "lonninesi" (simartove)
rom atsuxebs. vfiqrob mas mxolod tsolis mokvana ushvelis da shvilebis
gachena. iqneb aman maints gautbos sadgats mikarguli qartuli suli. chven
mxolod is dagvrchenia rom mas ar vugdot kuri sanam ver naxavs dzalebs rom
gaigvidzos qartuli suli. raqnas Nana Levanma, simartove atsuxebs, zis
kompiuterze da nervebashlili sxvebis nervebze tamashit ertoba. ra qnas aba,
ra qnas, donatsebma da Big Makkebma ise aumgvries goneba rom qartul sufraze
guli ereva ukve. es mgoni misi brali ar aris:) Amerikul nagavshi xom qimiuri
shemtsvelobis nivtierebebia da albat isini gonebas uketaven. ijdes im
Makdonaldis "foieshi" marto. ratomats ara tavisuflad zis, fuls shedarebit
advilat aketebs, kokas sendvichit sheeqtseva, dabokinebats sheudzlia iqve,
fexebis magidaze atsevats, svastikis maisurit jdoma tavisi shortikebit da ase
shemdeg. ai tsxovrebaaaaaaa... ra saqrtvelo ris saqartvelo; nutu mas es
"tavuisufleba hqonda iq, sadgats saqartveloshi? - ara, masiq arts shortikebis
chatsma eadvileboda arts dabokineba, arts naxevradchxdili chuchkiani jinsit
siaruli da tanats albat kvela gurul datvs edzaxda:) aq ki mas zangebtan ertad
sheudzlia tavisuflad siaruli da mas arafers ar etkvian. zangebi ki mis
danaxvaze "master"s edzaxian udidesi sikvarulit..... igi xshirad patara
garkvnil bavshvs magonebs, romelits kvelafers gaaketebs "lijbi" tavisi tqvas
da gaitanos. xoda sheitsode es bavshvi... ramodenime dgis tsin rom vtqvi
Levania metqi mtavari amrevi aq ar dametanxme, tumtsa faqti saxezea. ai naxav
sadamde gaagrdzelebs "mfrinav mishaze tu grishaze" laparaks. rogorts adre
tqva chems shekitxvaze me ar daviglebio. da martlats Levans ra daglis rotsa
amden "tvingamoleul" qartvelebs xedavs shignita tu garet da NG-zets ki:)
Just have a fun:) (copyright to Alligator)
Beso
=============
In article <36FE4E...@nospammeridianworldservices.com>,
nana <gr...@nospammeridianworldservices.com> wrote:
> dedu!
>
> sad sheagorve es chemi tserilebidan amonatserebi?
> gmertma utskis ra romel kontextshi vtivi. meti sakme ar makvs chemi
> tavis dacva davitsko suleluri braldebebisagan. xumrobebi, naxevrad
> seriozuli gamonatkvamebi da suratis naxevari mxareebi ertad rom
> chamogitskapia ak.
> shen intirganobas sheeshvi icode.
> tu ase gaagrdzele sakartveloshi umjobesia arc chabrdznade. intriganebs
> rogorc ukureben ik kargad ici.
> ar gamomicxo axla ak axali niurnbergi?
> ras aamkake isedac patara kartuli ng? ras gadakide xalxi ertmanets?
> chkua meko da xalxis shedzuleba ar davitske sheni tsakezebit da iman
> gadagria xom?
> ise, sakartvelos kritikaze ibogmebode mase is sjobia. magram ara, shen
> sheni sakutari kevknis landzgvit kbas igrdzob tu sachiro ikna, me ki
> mdzgolta profkavshirebma tu vinme gareshe (rusi) scemes is vaxsene da
> morcha gasashavebeli gavxdi. ar gadareulxar sxvisi kveknisatvis amxela
> kaci? ar gadavirie me shensavit da axla ras dasdev chems sitkvebs peplis
> sacherit?
> ra iko sakme gamogelia?
> axali ambavi, rom amerikashi kvelafri fulzea dafudznebuli... shen an
> kidev studenti xar da universitetshi maradmtsvaneob da cxovreba ar
> ginaxavs, anda vigacis jibes shemoaxti da ver gagigia rom garibs, da
> ucodinars ak uchirs.
> tsadi batono da soc.culture.usa-shi tsere da ikitxe ramdenic ginda. ras
> gverchi ak shemoxetebul titoorola kartvels?
> kidev erti, kargad ici rom ak iset sakmes vaketeb sheni nabodvari
> sheidzleba tsin gadamegobos da dros ar ishureb chems dziris
> gamosatxrelad xom? tumca shen shen kvekanas landzgvashi aten-agameb, me
> ki sapirispiro sakme davitske da ratkmaunda gesmis rom strategiuli
> mnishvneloba akvs chems diskreditacias. aba shen ici gastsi pionero
> tsin, nu sheushindebi sindiss da namuss.
> eh...
> shen unda tkva kaci varo amis mere.
>
> nana
>
> lev...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > nana wrote:
> > >
> > > Marika wrote:
> > >
> > > > ise me albat gamomrcha nanas is cerili sadac is kveba tu rogor
> > > > daamones, da mere mokles eqimtan rom daapira casvla.
> >
> > > jer momkles da mere damamones tu jer damamones da mere momkles?
> >
> > nana, martali gitxra axla mikvirs aseti rame rogor ar tkvi akamde.
> > magram ak me shens adrindel monatxrobebs vgulisxmobdi. magalitad, shen
> > tkvi:
> >
> > "I have heared the other similar story. Like one emigrant tried to have
> > a
> > track and deliver the food to different areas in US. Some guys stopped
> > him and told that he was working on their territory and if he wouldn't
> > stop doing this he would be killed. So this emigrant stop his
> > business..."
> >
> > da mere daamate:
> >
> > "...and is invloved in supermarket cleaning activities as many of us are
> > wellcome to do."
> >
> >
http://x1.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=439938843&search=thread&CONTEXT=9
22577597.1716846679&HIT_CONTEXT=922577577.1715732626&HIT_NUM=9&hitnum=16
> >
> > "many of us are wellcome"? asetia sheni, chemi, marikas, besikis,
> > zviadis, orive datos, gia gaprindashvilis, kidev uamravi sxva kartvelis
> > gamocdileba? asetia uamrai sxva emigrantis gamocdileba?
> > es dainaxe emgrantebis gamocdilebashi upiratesad? tu shen gaunatebel
> > vinmeze laparakob romelic sxva ramistvis jnelad tu gamodgeba?
> >
> > shemdeg am pirovnebaze ganmarte rom :
> >
> > "Case I mentioned is not about my friend, but i guess i know why that
> > man didn't report this case in police. He was frightened. Especially by
> > American movies where police appears always last."
> >
> >
http://x1.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=qs]/getdoc.xp?AN=440448141&search=thread&CONTEXT=9
22577597.1716846679&HIT_CONTEXT=922577577.1715732626&HIT_NUM=9&hitnum=20
> >
> > "I guess"? sainteresoa am mizezze vinmem gitxra tu shen askvni?
> >
> > shemdeg, am kveqnis sahisnel surats xatav:
> >
> > " Yes, and that's why many people are even scared to consider to have
> > babies. They long time ago gave up the idea to count on someone else's
> > nobelity and help. ;-) If you don't have money and without insurance you
> > will decide to do what people with insurance do, you can turn into
> > bankrupt, or your dear kid can grow who knows what (remember you won't
> > afford good neiborhood, consequently good school, drug free zone and so
> > on and so on). As a result your kid can be killed in the street by some
> > drug dealer just because you decided to become a bankrupt by giving
> > birth to him or her. It is not direct murder so let's don't think about
> > it. Murderer is hipotetical drug dealer. :-) Or you think only about
> > high class? Who always has money? They feel nice in Georgia too. What
> > about Getos in New York?
> >
> >
http://x3.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=448482915&search=thread&CONTEXT=9
22580936.593232020&hitnum=39
> >
> > ramdenadac vici garibebs, da gansakutrebit shavkanian garibebs,
> > shviebis mravlad qavt. tanac bevri matgani saxlemcipo daxmarebazea da
> > mainc axerxebs shvielbis agzrdas, tumca ki sashish garemoshi.
> >
> > samcuaxrod is cerili ver vipovne romlshic kartvel jijebs monebad
> > axasiaeb. arerti matganistvis ar daujalebiat gadiebad mushaoba.
> > mona tavisi nebit ar midis monatmplobeltan. magram kvemod
> > gamochndeba tu rogor giqvars paktebis gamukeba :-)
> >
> > > nacrisferze valaparakebi da shavad echveneba.
> >
> > romelia nacrisperze laparakis numishi: gakotrebis moshishahi
> > amerikelebis mier shvilebis arqola tu eseni:
> >
> > "You pay 80000 for simple surgery"
> >
> > $80,000 simple surgery? what kind?
> >
> > "If I am confusing something why I saw my close friend urging me to not
> > take her to hospital since she didn't have insurance? I thought she was
> > dying..."
> >
> > You thought she was dying? why not 'she was seriously ill' or 'she was
> > in severe pain'? Not surprising that you think the third world was is
> > upons us :-)
> >
> > ho martla romel mesame msoplio omze laparakob?
> >
> > levani
>
> --
>
> Please remove "NO SPAM" in email address before replying.
>
-BesikiNews-
illar...@my-dejanews.com
I am following your "discussion" with Levarsi couple of months for now. Just
an outside opinion, if you are interested: Every e-mail that I saw from
Levarsi has a logical structure behind it. He clearly expresses his ideas,
and stays within boundaries.On the other side your messages remind me
Zhirinovsky talks. There is no clear logic or structure, all your statements
are based purely on emotions ( I have nothing against emotions, but you
should be able to support them with some kind of logic...)
You are capable only of trying to insult Levarsi. I can only feel sorry
reading your messages. Sorry not for you, but for my country, as your talks
remind me Guram Petriashvili's, and everyone knows what the likes of him are
capable of doing.
In article <7dulqa$2f4$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
BesikiNews
illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> BesikiNews,
===
BesikiNews - Yes, that's me:)
===
>
> I am following your "discussion" with Levarsi couple of months for
now. Just
> an outside opinion, if you are interested:
===
BesikiNews - Shure I am... Can't wait:)
===
>Every e-mail that I saw from
> Levarsi
===
BesikiNews - "email" or "message"?
===
>has a logical structure behind it.
===
BesikiNews - Not for everyone and not all of them ...
===
>He clearly expresses his ideas,
===
BesikiNews - "Imagine yourself in the Mercury":)
===
> and stays within boundaries.On the other side your messages remind me
> Zhirinovsky talks.
===
BesikiNews - Did somebody say "Zhirinovsky"?
Another label (tab)... and who cares, just ignore my messages Ilarion Ludoviko
13-een. Don't be so sensative:)
===
>There is no clear logic or structure, all your statements
> are based purely on emotions
===
BesikiNews- Yes, It's called i georgian "gadaoba" and nothing else. Don't be
so serious.
>( I have nothing against emotions, but you
> should be able to support them with some kind of logic...)
===
BesikiNews - Nothing has left Illarion ludovik 13-een but "gadaoba".
Go NATO go! Go Illarion go!
NATO! NATO! - Dinamo, Dinamo, Dinamo!
Du, Du, Ararat!
===
>
> You are capable only of trying to insult Levarsi.
===
BesikiNews - It's his stradegy. Poor Levan can't defent himself and
member of Nato from Salvation Army has come:) Go NAto, go!
===
>I can only feel sorry
> reading your messages.
===
BesikiNews - Sorry, to hear this. So sensative natures. recomendation:
1) Just read it and nothing else;
2) Just ignore them;
3) Or read it as a jokes.
===
>Sorry not for you, but for my country, as your talks
> remind me Guram Petriashvili's,
===
BesikiNews - Another tag:) ("sizmarshits mogelandebi":))
You better feel sorry when you started to say:
"Go NATO, go!" -
Someone will think that all Georgians think in the same way. What a shame:)
===
>and everyone knows what the likes of him are
> capable of doing.
===
Besikinews - Are you shure about "everyone"?
Ilarion Ludovik 13-een. I appreciate your opinion about "BesikiNews" but
can't accept them. Sorry guys can't think as you and Levan do.
Just have a fun, Ilarion. This NG become a part of it.
===
-BesikiNews-
P.S. - es dramis gagrdzelebaa. Ilarion ludovik 13-e sheetsada
daetsva Levarsi kingdom-is girseba. NATO "attakaze" gadavida
Serbebis damtsvelebs sheutia. magram rusetma sachiro iaragi gaugzavna
Serbebs da mat ki NATOs ori tvitmfrinavi chamoagdes, ori NATOisti ki sadgats
gaqra. Albat kapitan Nemom aikvana mdzevlad da miimala Indoetis okeaneshi.
exla morigi "pererivi". Drama grdzeldeba:)
http://angelfire.com/ga/georgian/enter.html
Lev...@my-dejanews.com
> illar...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >There is no clear logic or structure, all your statements
> > are based purely on emotions
>
sruliad cqalshi charila sheni scavleba. araseriozuloba da gadaoba
sariozuli naklia roca
ramis seriozulad gansjashi gishlis xels. gadaobaze rom arian gadasuli
kartvelebi, imitomaa kveqana rom ingreva.
amit tavi ki ar moicono aramed unda ecado sheicvalo.
tu gainteresebs, caikitxe P. Freire "education for critical
consciousness" da naxe ras
tvlis igi brazieli xalxis usasrulo gadavis, araseriozulobis da
pantastikuri axsnebis siqvarulis mizezad.
> > You are capable only of trying to insult Levarsi.
om itqvian, ai dardebi ;-)
dasanani isaa rom besiki amdeni ganatlebis shemdeg mainc ase msjelobs da
tingicobs.
ritac tavs imasxaraveb mxolod.
levani
natia
>sheidzleba, magram samagierod rom gaizrdeba ,im shvils ise sheezizgeba
>sakutari mshoblebi, rom erti suli ekneba rodis datovos iseni.
>torem mere tu ak tsxovrob, mixvdebi rom es kvelaferi
>mochvenebitia, iseve rogorts kovel game dedis damshvidobeba bavshvtan
>tuchebshi kotsnit : "I love you"!
gasaotsaria, rom mshobeli romelits shvils am kvekanashi zrdis, aseti
guldatskvetili da dagonebulia. tanats am guldatskvetas, rogorts imedi
tavis tserilhsi ambobs, ukmnis mistvis miugebeli garemo, mshoblebisa da
shvilebis "kalbi" urtiertobebi irgvliv, kovelgvari sulieri sitbosa da
zrunvis ukonloba amerikul ojahebshi.
albat imedi-s akvs mizezi aseti azri rom chamoukalibda, magram aseti
minoruli gantskoba rom ar darchet im mkithvelebs, 'vints ar arian jer
mshoblebi', chemi tvalit danahuli sinamdvilis _meore mharesats_
gagiziarebt.
upirveles kovlisa, marikas minda davetanhmo, rom ambobs
>It is wrong to judge whole nation by those shows. Parents are parents
>everywhere - loving own children is a feature of all peoples
chemi shvili ak izrdeba. koveltvis ahlagazrda ojahebit dasahlebul
ubanshi vtshovrobdit. baga-bagebtan da skolastan ahlo da koveldgiuri
urtiertoba makvs. chemi azrit is damokidebuleba bavshvebisadmi rasats ak
avlenen (agmzrdelebi, mastsavleblebi, megobrebi, mezoblebi)ara tu
dadebitia, aramed saotsrad mzrunveli, mosikvaule, motminebit agsavse da
stsoria.
chemi gamotsdilebit (uamavi ahloblis magalitit), dziritadad ahalgazrda
amerikelebi tviton shesanihsnavi mshoblebi arain (rogorts dedebi, ise
mamebits!!!). isini damoukideblad artmeven tavs kvelapers da tsdiloben
sakutari mshoblebi ar sheatsuhon. es "ar shetsuheba", mertsmunet, mholod
mshobelta mimart pativistsemias gamohatavs.
agmzrdelebi da mastsavleblebi uagresad didi propesionalizmit da
ketilgantskobilebit gamoirchevian. isini usmenen da apaseben titoeuli
bavshvis individualizms, sheuzgudavad uvitareben mat damoukidebeli
azrovnebis unars, da pativs stsemen mat patara "pirivnebebs" :-)
> tkven jer ar gkavt shvilebi da amitom ar shedjaxebixart akaur
> mshobleb-shvilebis damokidebulebas. tkven jer kvelaferi tsin gakvt.
visats ar kavt shvilebi jer me ase vetkodi: tkven jer kidev tsin gakvt
is bedniereba, rom tkvens shvils jansagi, bednieri, sikvarulit da
sitboti savse bavshvoba sheukmnat ak... rasats ver sheukmnit (chemi
gamotsdilebit isev) aris kartulenovani garemo da bebia-babuebis
siahlove.
natia
Alligator
>>mochvenebitia, iseve rogorts kovel game dedis damshvidobeba bavshvtan
>>tuchebshi kotsnit : "I love you"!
simple things but I dont' see what's wrong in this "I love you" before the
kido falls asleep? If one doesnt' feel so I guess he/she shouldn't say that
then, however I am not sure what'd happen to the kid in the future, & what's
the payback the parent gets for this.
>tavis tserilhsi ambobs, ukmnis mistvis miugebeli garemo, mshoblebisa da
>shvilebis "kalbi" urtiertobebi irgvliv, kovelgvari sulieri sitbosa da
That assumes that whoever claims that knows very well what's going on in
those families?
>zrunvis ukonloba amerikul ojahebshi.
I've seen worse in the place which is more appropriate to discuss here
;)
>minoruli gantskoba rom ar darchet im mkithvelebs, 'vints ar arian jer
>mshoblebi', chemi tvalit danahuli sinamdvilis _meore mharesats_
LOL, I guess I qualify :) However I am optimistic :) Me & my son will be
shooting my guns & driving my car, although I doubt about picking up girls
together, I hope I'll be faithfull to my wife ;) & If I say I love you to
him that's gonna be the truth :) I don't doubt about.
>>It is wrong to judge whole nation by those shows. Parents are parents
>>everywhere - loving own children is a feature of all peoples
Hoo :) Mase erti ori mshobeli vici ik, samshobloshi , bavshvebs sagamos
tuksavda ra miketebt ager iman milioni miakachaga da iman orio :( Mere ra,
erovnuli tviseba xom araa? Kvela alxanas tavisi chalxana kavs.
>visats ar kavt shvilebi jer me ase vetkodi: tkven jer kidev tsin gakvt
>is bedniereba, rom tkvens shvils jansagi, bednieri, sikvarulit da
Mmm :) Albat :)
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nana
>
> ===
>
> BesikiNews - Another tag:) ("sizmarshits mogelandebi":))
> You better feel sorry when you started to say:
> "Go NATO, go!" -
> Someone will think that all Georgians think in the same way. What a shame:)
>
I know that many of us in this NG feel very sorry for each other.
We are very emotional and compationate people.
I won't say where I stand in this sad emotions.
Here I agree with Besiki.
How logically, democratically thinking man can openely support any kind
of agression?
One starts to speack about flying saucers, and some flying objects
around him called Misha, second declares that loves the bloodshed,
caused by cluster bombs.
Go NATO Go! now means : KILL NATO KILL!
Where are your values? I mean western? :-) Still searching for them,
can't process through Georgian mind?
If someone is interested in official Georgian view and is affraid to say
his own words ( trully democratic!), then you at least could say that
you are concerned and UN has to be more active. ;-) I offered you
necesery strategic information. In "you" I don't mean everybody. Some
people don't need such help. I don't mean guys calling cute name Misha
to cluster bombs.
I am awaiting for the postings of this content( meanswhich will follow
offered draft) very soon on this NG. So what that it will be absolutely
boring to read. I can imagine I listen the radio on monday.
So, where is an oppinion? I would love to hear before my forced
departure to bloody Georgia. :-))))
nana.
im...@my-dejanews.com
natia <na...@at.psu.edu> wrote:
> gasaotsaria, rom mshobeli romelits shvils am kvekanashi zrdis, aseti
> guldatskvetili da dagonebulia.
Natia,
dzalian sasixaruloa, rom tkven chemgan gansxvavebul garemoshi gitsevt
shvilebis agrzda. magram chemtvis tkven mier samotxet daxatuli surati ufro
ararealurad da tsalmxrivad gamoikureba. Chem tserilshi me naklze
visaubre,imaze rats tvalshi da gulshi bevrjer momxvedria, magram ar
mitkvams,rom sxvanairi (mokvaruli, ketili) xalxi ar shemxvedria ak. tserilis
bolos davtsere kidets: eris sikarge imit ganisazgvreba ramdeni "kargi" shvili
kavs metki da ara imit ramdeni "cudi". ar megona tu mkitxveli "cuds"
mistsemda upiratesobas...
BesikiNews
im...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3703F220...@at.psu.edu>,
> natia <na...@at.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> > gasaotsaria, rom mshobeli romelits shvils am kvekanashi zrdis, aseti
> > guldatskvetili da dagonebulia.
>
> Natia,
>
> dzalian sasixaruloa, rom tkven chemgan gansxvavebul garemoshi gitsevt
> shvilebis agrzda. magram chemtvis tkven mier samotxet daxatuli surati ufro
> ararealurad da tsalmxrivad gamoikureba.
===
Besiki - Imeda, mesmis rasats ambob, magram vfiqrob rom Natia simartles
idzaxis; shen albat ar unda dagavitskdes rom Natia Pensilvaniashi tsxovrobs
sadats shedarebit mshvidi tsxovrebaa vidre sxva shtatebshi. mets am shtatshi
vtsxovrob da gatsnobili var aq matsxovrebelta kofa-tsxovrebas. sxva
shtatebshi ki martlats autanelia rom bavshvi miabaro datskebit skolashi,
garda spetsialuri skolebisa (magalitad katolikuri), sadats stsavla fasiania.
chven shtatshi patara bavshvebs daaxlovebit me-5 klasamde safrtxe ar elit,
mere ki albat Natiasats sheeqmneba is problemebi rats Amerikelta umetesobas
atsuxebs. unda aginishnos agretve, rom aq bavshvebs dzalian rkvnian, mati
datuqsvis ufleba mastsavlebels ara aaqvs da tu vinmes amgvari garemo mostsons
ara mgonia momavalshi bavshvistvis kargi iqos, tumtsa dedebma tavad unda
gadatskviton tu sad da rogor garemoshi agzardon bavshvebi.
Besiki
===
Chem tserilshi me naklze
> visaubre,imaze rats tvalshi da gulshi bevrjer momxvedria, magram ar
> mitkvams,rom sxvanairi (mokvaruli, ketili) xalxi ar shemxvedria ak. tserilis
> bolos davtsere kidets: eris sikarge imit ganisazgvreba ramdeni "kargi" shvili
> kavs metki da ara imit ramdeni "cudi". ar megona tu mkitxveli "cuds"
> mistsemda upiratesobas...
>
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nana
Be careful...
Otherwise I will sand you your beloved Misha. :-)))
Mishas gamogigza-avni.
n.
l...@mail.utexas.edu
> Pensilvaniashi tsxovrobs
> sadats shedarebit mshvidi tsxovrebaa vidre sxva shtatebshi. mets am shtatshi
> vtsxovrob da gatsnobili var aq matsxovrebelta kofa-tsxovrebas. sxva
> shtatebshi ki martlats autanelia rom bavshvi miabaro datskebit skolashi,
> garda spetsialuri skolebisa (magalitad katolikuri), sadats stsavla fasiania.
Besik..... albat upro meti mnishvneloba akvs timas tu garrkveuli Kalakis romel
ubanshi tsxovrob da bavshvi rogori reputatsiis skilashi dadis. Reputatsiashi ar
vgulisxmob imas tu...ra girs ik stavla da visi shvilebitaa dakomplektebuli, aramed
im reitings rasaz akauri saganmanatleblo departamentebi anda munizpaliteti
anichebs ama tu im skolas - datkebitia es tu zeda, anu secondary.
Magalitad, Austin, TX itvleba ert ert mshvid adgilad, miuxedavda imisa rom
Texasia. :)) Chemi umtrosi vaji....PreK skolashia. Im skolas kargis meti araperi
moutani, bavshvi echveva sxvebtan urtiertobas, communicatsias etc. Piradad me da
chemi meugle kmakopilni vart saerto ikauri garemotsvit. Zeda klasebi...es sxva
sakmea. Ik Amerikuli skola namdvilad moikochlebs sxva kveknebtan shedarebit da
amaze tvitonaz sakmaod stuxan. Apireben p[rogramis modernizatsias, mastavlebelta
atestatsiis gamkatsrebas, da saertod Euro standartebze gadasvlas. Raz me
magalitebi maxsovs, utsxoetidan chamosuli chveni megobrebis shvilebi (Germania,
Argentina, Sakartvelo, Ruseti, Uruguay, Chile) uketesad itviseben kvelapers da
tinaz ki ustreben adgilobrivebs. Amis mizezi ki is dziritadi bazaa rasaz sxva
kveknebshi adzleven mostavleebs. Imedia USA tavis potenzias gamoikenebs da uaxloes
tlebshi saskolo ganatlebis done sheitsvleba. Ubralod, dasnania - aset mdidar da
motinave kvekanas ra dabali donis saskolo ganatleba akvs. Albat kvela amerikashi
anda sxva kveknebshi mtsxovreb kartvel mshobels, vinaz tavisi dziritadi ganatlebis
dasruleba moastro perestroykis da shemdgomi aliakotebis datkebamde, kargad
sheudzlia sheadaros akauri saskolo programa tundaz imas raz "sabchota"
sakartvelos skolebshi iko. Mxedvelobashi makvs notmaluri sagnebi: matematika,
Chimia, Fizika etc...da ara sabchota samartali, poliekonomia da
sazogadoebatmtsodneoba.
>
> chven shtatshi patara bavshvebs daaxlovebit me-5 klasamde safrtxe ar elit,
> mere ki albat Natiasats sheeqmneba is problemebi rats Amerikelta umetesobas
> atsuxebs.
Eg ukve kvela ojaxs tavisi saxit akvs tarmodgenili. Ra tkma unda meti kuradgebaa
sachiro teenagerebtan, raz dgiti-dge dzneldeba akauri mushaobis aranormaluri
tempidan gamomdinare. Magram, usashvelo araperia am kvekanaze, rogorz
Miun-Hauzeni itkoda. :)) Bavshvis agzrda da dziritadi chamokalibeba ojaxis,
mshoblebis sakmea da ara sazogadoebrivi organizatsiebis. Pionertbanakebi da Scout
clubebi mozardshi imaze karg psikikas ver chamoakalibeben, rogorz amis gaketeba
mat mshoblebs sheidzliat.
> unda aginishnos agretve, rom aq bavshvebs dzalian rkvnian, mati
> datuqsvis ufleba mastsavlebels ara aaqvs da tu vinmes amgvari garemo mostsons
> ara mgonia momavalshi bavshvistvis kargi iqos, tumtsa dedebma tavad unda
> gadatskviton tu sad da rogor garemoshi agzardon bavshvebi.
>
Magashi getanxmebi. Tumza mag mxolod akauri problema araa. Mraval kvelanashi
(upatrono kveknebs ar vgulisxmob) mag sakitxs titkmis ertnairad udgebian. Ertis
mxriv chans rom...mat bavshvebi dzxalian ukvart, mis pirovnebas pativs stemen, raz
bevr konkretul shemtxvevashi udaoa. Magram xshirat kovelive es zomaze metadaa,
gadacharbebit, raz bavshvs datvur samsaxurs utevs. Mati datuksva ar sheidzleba
sitkvieradaz ki, miuxedavd imisa rom zogi mostavle ramisaa tavze tamoajdes
mastavlebels. Xolo tu davalebas satanadod ver asrulebs..... aba gabedos
mastavlebelma da es gamoxatos mostavlestan tandastrebit, samsaxuri tu ar
daatovebines, madlobeli inda ikos. Chveni axlo megobari Tbilisidan, ak Austinshi
mushaobda sinkronuli tsurvis mtvrnelad. Bavshvta sektsiashi kategoriulad hkonda
akrdzaluli shenishvnis mitseba imatzez ki, vinz batebivit tivtivebdnen tkalshi
(tu tivtivebda...es ukve magari migteva iko) da tveebis gansmavlobashi veravitar
progress ver agtevdnen. Es ukve albat upro business sakitxia, vidre bavshvis
ganvitarebaze zrunva. Pasiani skolebi tsdiloben rata mrevli xelidan ar gaushvan -
da amitom mostavle0mshobels unda koveltvis egonos rom... misi am skolashi kopna
gamartlebulia da autsilebeliz ki. Danarcheni skolas agar ainteresebs. Fakti ki
isaa, rom mozardi echvea imis agtkmas rom kvelaperi raz man gaaketa skolashi -
kargia, shesanishnavia da gaumjobeseba ar shirdeba - imitom rom mastavlebeli akebs
kovel pexis nabijze. Aseti saxit chamokalibebul mozardi ki, realuri kompetenziis
pirobebshi (sadaz mastavleblis azrs ki araa akvs mnishvneloba, aramed tu risi
maknisia tviton) ibneva da uchirs realobebtan urtiertoba. CHems Laboratoriashi
summer studentebi rom modian internship-it - unda naxo mati Curriculum vitae -
lamis 10 gverdia savse. Magram umetes tilad (gamonaklisebis garda) puchi da
arapris mimtemi sertificatebit: moismina 2 saati es kursi, shoridan shexeda ama
tu im danadgars..etc..etc... praktikulad ki, mainz tavidan utevt kvelapris stavla
- arada resumeshi did asoebit akvt chaterili rom mat es "satanadod" itsian ukve.
Umetes tilad, ki sul sxva mdgomareobaa tu studenti utsxoelia - Germaneli, Chineli,
Koreeli,,Argentineli ..etc. Mat upro realuri tarmodgena akvt taviant
backgroundze, raz xels utkobs mat am doni mudmiv gaumjobesebashi.
Tumza.... es konkretuli magalitebi sulaz araa savaldebulo rom sxva adgilzez
amartlebdes.
L.D.
BesikiNews
gamotqmul azrebsa tu tsinadadebebs. garkveuli mizezis gamo ver gtsemt sachiro
pasuxs da vimedovnebt albat gamigebt...
gisurvebt tsarmatebebs.
pativistsemit - Besiki Sisauri
In article <37055AEB...@mail.utexas.edu>,
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nana
>
> In article <3703F220...@at.psu.edu>,
> natia <na...@at.psu.edu> wrote:
>
> > gasaotsaria, rom mshobeli romelits shvils am kvekanashi zrdis, aseti
> > guldatskvetili da dagonebulia.
>
> Natia,
>
> dzalian sasixaruloa, rom tkven chemgan gansxvavebul garemoshi gitsevt
> shvilebis agrzda. magram chemtvis tkven mier samotxet daxatuli surati ufro
> visaubre,imaze rats tvalshi da gulshi bevrjer momxvedria, magram ar
> mitkvams,rom sxvanairi (mokvaruli, ketili) xalxi ar shemxvedria ak. tserilis
> bolos davtsere kidets: eris sikarge imit ganisazgvreba ramdeni "kargi" shvili
> kavs metki da ara imit ramdeni "cudi". ar megona tu mkitxveli "cuds"
> mistsemda upiratesobas...
natias tserili zogadad ketilgantskobili tserilia, tumca cota romantiulad
mechveneba. ase rom mas es ar exeba rasac vitkvi.
tkven batono tu kalbatono imedi, axal fsikologiur tips ecnobit. naklis
shemchneva amerikisatvis am jgufshi satikad akrdzalulia, zogs suli
exuteba da ixrchoba amas rom tsaikitxavs zogs ki sagergeli aeshleba da
vegar gaachereb imdens tsers. imas ki ver xvdebian rom amit pirikit
saxels utexen am kvekanas.
n.
nana
> albat upro meti mnishvneloba akvs timas tu garrkveuli Kalakis romel
> ubanshi tsxovrob da bavshvi rogori reputatsiis skilashi dadis.
rac akaruti sistemidan gamomdinare damokidebulia tu ra ubanshi cxovrob
anu ra fulis patroni xar. amitomaa rom xshirad saxlis fasi metia imis
mixedvit tu ra skolashi moutsevs bavshvs siaruli. real estate
jurnalebshi shavit tetrze tseria xolme kargi saskolo zona.
tu fuli ar gakvs mashin gmertis imedze unda iko rom konkurentunariani
shvili gazardo. amaze didi kamatia kongresshi. magalitad newhampshiris
gaverners dzalian atsuxebs chamorchenili kalakebis skolebis mdgomareoba
da unda rom saerto biujeti shekmnas ganatlebis sistemisatvis da ikidan
tanabrad gaanatsilos, magram respublikuri partia tsinaagmdegia. ratom
unda uxados mdidarma garibs shvilis ganatlebisatviso. ase rom kartvelebo
jer kai fuli chaijibet da mere ifikret bevri shvilebis gachenaze.
(minesotis demografiul katastrofas ar vgulisxmob ratkmaunda...)
tu tavs pativs scemt. tu ar vcdebi kalifornias cota gansxvavebuli
saganmanatleblo sistema unda hkondes.
> Reputatsiashi ar
> vgulisxmob imas tu...ra girs ik stavla da visi shvilebitaa dakomplektebuli, aramed
> im reitings rasaz akauri saganmanatleblo departamentebi anda munizpaliteti
> anichebs ama tu im skolas - datkebitia es tu zeda, anu secondary.
getanxmebi.
> Ubralod, dasnania - aset mdidar da
> motinave kvekanas ra dabali donis saskolo ganatleba akvs. Albat kvela amerikashi
> anda sxva kveknebshi mtsxovreb kartvel mshobels, vinaz tavisi dziritadi ganatlebis
> dasruleba moastro perestroykis da shemdgomi aliakotebis datkebamde, kargad
> sheudzlia sheadaros akauri saskolo programa tundaz imas raz "sabchota"
> sakartvelos skolebshi iko. Mxedvelobashi makvs notmaluri sagnebi: matematika,
> Chimia, Fizika etc...
amashic getanxmebi.
amas tsinat televiktorinas vukure. 17 tslis high schoolis bavshvebma ver
upasuxes shekitxvas. 1200 aris 70% tsignis gverdebisa ramdeni gverdia
tsignshi? anu 100% ver gamotvales.
dzalian shemecodnen. gultsrfelad vambob. imitom rom bavshvs magis
gamotvla 10 tslis asakshic sheudzlia da es ubradod sashinel ganatlebaze
miutitebs. viktorinaze chamorchenil studentebs ar gamoikvandnen
albat...amati universitetis tsignebi vnaxe fizikashi. integralze
laparaki zedmetia. mesame kurszhe sigmas anu jams astsavlian ikneb
gaigon rameo. raze vlaparakobt? erti isaa rom chcventan universitetis
damtavrebis mere itskeboda chatskoba anu sociumi krtamshi da
protekcionizmshi idzireboda da aman ganapiroba rom shen codnas sakmeshi
ver ikenebdi mere jangdebodi nela-nela. ak ki pirikitaa. tu ici da
sakmis gaketeba ginda midi da miatseki. mere sheidzleba ver ishovo kai
samsaxuri ogondac. anu vgulisxmob post-graduate ssolas. sadac rogorc
mitxres me rom me-4 kursze vistsavle is sagani unda messtavla
phd-satvis, zustad igive tsignidan da igive amocanebi mexsna. rac
dzalian mesiamovna ratkmaunda. tumca mere vifikre sad gamovikeneb am
fizikas american naivishi aravin mimigebs samsaxurshi metki da davanebe
tavi.
> Eg ukve kvela ojaxs tavisi saxit akvs tarmodgenili. Ra tkma unda meti kuradgebaa
> sachiro teenagerebtan, raz dgiti-dge dzneldeba akauri mushaobis aranormaluri
> tempidan gamomdinare. Magram, usashvelo araperia am kvekanaze, rogorz
> Miun-Hauzeni itkoda. :)) Bavshvis agzrda da dziritadi chamokalibeba ojaxis,
> mshoblebis sakmea da ara sazogadoebrivi organizatsiebis. Pionertbanakebi da Scout
> clubebi mozardshi imaze karg psikikas ver chamoakalibeben, rogorz amis gaketeba
> mat mshoblebs sheidzliat.
amitomaa rom dedebi cdilben ar imushaon ragac periodi tu ratkmaunda mama
atrialebs did fuls. ratkmaunda imedi ar unda gadaitsuros adamianma.
tanac vfikrob rom sabchota ganatlebis mkone mshobelma sheidzleba kargi
tsinamdzgoloba gautsio bavshvs da urchios ra tsaikitxos da ra istsavlos.
interesi gaugvivos.
>
> > unda aginishnos agretve, rom aq bavshvebs dzalian rkvnian, mati
> > datuqsvis ufleba mastsavlebels ara aaqvs da tu vinmes amgvari garemo mostsons
> > ara mgonia momavalshi bavshvistvis kargi iqos, tumtsa dedebma tavad unda
> > gadatskviton tu sad da rogor garemoshi agzardon bavshvebi.
> >
>
> Magashi getanxmebi.
mec vetanmxebi.
akaur teenagerebs da saertod ukve chamokalibebul axlagazrdebs rom vusmen
mshoblebis mimart antagonizmi moda hgoniat. ragac ragaceebs mikvebian
iseti saxeebit naxe ra sashineli mama mkavs da ra sahsineli deda mkavso.
me ki vfikrob neta sakme shemoeliat ra sanerviulo egaa, kvela mshobels
ukris cota magram imat xom sikvaruli amodzravebt metki? :-)
>Tumza mag mxolod akauri problema araa. Mraval kvelanashi
> (upatrono kveknebs ar vgulisxmob) mag sakitxs titkmis ertnairad udgebian. Ertis
> mxriv chans rom...mat bavshvebi dzxalian ukvart, mis pirovnebas pativs stemen, raz
> bevr konkretul shemtxvevashi udaoa.
martalia. ar ukvart shvilebi cota zedmeti gamonatkvamia. zogadad kvelas
ukvars shvili. ertia rom amat iseti samushao tempi akvt rom valebma ar
mosrison rom shvilebisatvis dro ar rchebat. albat im komentatorma es
igulsxma "imedis" tserilshi rom iko magalitad mokvanili.
>Magram xshirat kovelive es zomaze metadaa,
> gadacharbebit, raz bavshvs datvur samsaxurs utevs. Mati datuksva ar sheidzleba
> sitkvieradaz ki, miuxedavd imisa rom zogi mostavle ramisaa tavze tamoajdes
> mastavlebels.
martalia egec. maxsovs neuyourkshi bavshvis isterikulma tsivilma kurebi
gamixvrita da rom vutxari chems megobars es mama ras ugimis am tavxeds
erti kargad tsamoarktas rom gachumdes metki, mipasuxes mag rom knas
mamobis uflebas chamoartmeveno. anu vinme daasmenso. sazogadoebis
kuradgebiani tsevri bevria irgvliv rogorc shevamchnie.
> Xolo tu davalebas satanadod ver asrulebs..... aba gabedos
> mastavlebelma da es gamoxatos mostavlestan tandastrebit, samsaxuri tu ar
> daatovebines, madlobeli inda ikos.
vax, aba gadatiniti mnishvnelobit unda utxras shecdoma gakvso? unda
miaxvedros? amitomaa gulaxdilobas ise ver naxav, tavi iaponiashi
gegoneba. anu titkmis ucxo planetaze.
> Fakti ki isaa, rom mozardi echvea imis agtkmas rom kvelaperi raz man gaaketa skolashi -
> kargia, shesanishnavia da gaumjobeseba ar shirdeba - imitom rom mastavlebeli akebs
> kovel pexis nabijze. Aseti saxit chamokalibebul mozardi ki, realuri kompetenziis
> pirobebshi (sadaz mastavleblis azrs ki araa akvs mnishvneloba, aramed tu risi
> maknisia tviton) ibneva da uchirs realobebtan urtiertoba. CHems Laboratoriashi
> summer studentebi rom modian internship-it - unda naxo mati Curriculum vitae -
> lamis 10 gverdia savse. Magram umetes tilad (gamonaklisebis garda) puchi da
> arapris mimtemi sertificatebit: moismina 2 saati es kursi, shoridan shexeda ama
> tu im danadgars..etc..etc... praktikulad ki, mainz tavidan utevt kvelapris stavla
> - arada resumeshi did asoebit akvt chaterili rom mat es "satanadod" itsian ukve.
> Umetes tilad, ki sul sxva mdgomareobaa tu studenti utsxoelia - Germaneli, Chineli,
> Koreeli,,Argentineli ..etc. Mat upro realuri tarmodgena akvt taviant
> backgroundze, raz xels utkobs mat am doni mudmiv gaumjobesebashi.
>
> Tumza.... es konkretuli magalitebi sulaz araa savaldebulo rom sxva adgilzez
> amartlebdes.
me ertxel ragac kitxvari shemamvsebies testis saxit.
kitxva iko aseti: tvlit tu ara rom tkvens garsehmomkofni geniosad
gtvlian?
rom vupasuxe ara,shedegi iko aseti. rom me sastikad dabali tsarmodgenisa
var chems pirovnebaze da rom fsikoanalitikosis daxmareba mchirdeba
shemdgomshi anda romelime religiuri ordenis. kinagam sicili amitkda.
kitxva iko aratu is tu ras vfikrob me chems tavze, aramed sxvebi tu
mtvlian geniosad.
tavis keba aucilebelia, aravitar shemtxvevashi ar unda tsamogcdes rom
rame ar ici.
aseve xshirad shemimchnevia kitxva rogor da ratom unda sheecado ar
dasva.
anu logikuri jachvi aravis ainteresebs.
axla evropa tu ar amoatriales ikauri ganatleba rcheba chems imedad.
sakartveloshi cudadaa sakme. tumca kargi fasiani skolebi gaixsna sadac
normalurad moazrovne axlagazrdebi asstavlian.
n.
>
> L.D.
david chelidze
daziritadad vetanxmebi shens natkvams. imas ki did xazs gausvamdi rats
bolos tkvi:
> Tumza.... es konkretuli magalitebi sulaz araa savaldebulo rom sxva
> adgilzez amartlebdes.
es kvekana dzalian didia da ise ganzogadoebulad kvelapris dagmoba da
mitsastan gastsoreba rogorts am jgufis zogiert tsevrs mosdis miugebelia
chemtsvis.
erti rame unda gavitvalistsinot kvelam! ak sazogadoeba tskvets
dziritadad tu rogori skola da garemo eknebat garshemo. amitomaa rom esa
tu is ubnebi ufro karg saskolo ubnebad itveleba. ra tkma unda, rats ufro
mdidaria esa tu is sazogadoeba, mit ufro advilia am archevnebis
tsxovrebashi gatareba. magram arts isea sakme, rom garibi mosaxleobis
tsarmomadgenlebs gza kondet gadaketili ganatlebisaken. arsebobs
programebi romlebits stsored aseti fenebis nichieri tsarmomadgenlebis
dasaxmareblad da tsasakezebladaa shekmnili.
zogadad amerikuli sazogadoeba atsxadebs, rom matma saskolo ganatlebis
reformam kraxi ganitsada. amis ashkara magalitebia tundats bolo tslebis
zogierti amerikuli filmi.
isits martalia, rom 'high school' kargad ver amzadebs universitetistvis
mostsavleebs. mat faktiurad titanuri shroma utsevt universitetis pirvel
tsels danaklisis shesavsebad da bevri ver udzlebs amas. evropuli
ganatlebis xalxisatvis es sasatsiloa, radgan pirvel tsels (zogjer or
tsels) ak dziritadad sabaziso tsodnas ekreba safudzveli (matematika,
fizika, kimia -- es me teknikuri rats vitsi). magram, vints am datsolas
udzlebs isini shemdgom tslebshi gatsilebit grmad da magal doneze
sheistsavlian taviant profesias. ra tkma unda, amerikats savsea iseti
universitetebit, romlebits ver utseven karg samsaxurs studentebs. magram
tu im universitetebzea laparaki romlebits ase vtkvat Top50-shi shedian
-- mashin ak migebuli ganatleba martlats rom sakmaod magal donezea.
exla neba mibodzet vilaparako im mizezebze romeltats aseti mdgomareoba
gamoitsvia, ra tkma unda es chemi piradi azria:)
rogorts me gavige, 70-ian tslebshi skolashi pragmatuli stsavlidan ase
vtkvat asotsiatsiur stsavlis modelze gadavidnen. anu, adre tu mostsavles
moetxoeboda ama tu im faktis detaluri tsodna, exla mxolod arsis tsodnas
stxoven. es tema chemtan axlos aris radgan, me piradad, aset
asotsiatsiur tips mivekutvnebi. mgram amas chemtvis bevrjer didi
tsinaagmdegoba sheukmnia. kargia, rotsa ama tu im movlenis zogad arss
xvdebi da intuitsiurad azrovneb, magram aseve autsilebelia agchurvili
iko 'formaluri' tu 'pragmatuli' tsodnit, rata es "asotsiatsiebi"
konkretul da fizukur formashi moaktsio. akaa chemis azrit dzaglis tavi
damarxuli, am orive modelis shertskma unda moxdes tsarmatebis
misagtsevad. chveni, da saertod evropuli ganatleba ufro 'pragmatuli'
xasiatisaa. amitom vitsit chven ufro kargad esa tu is fakti. samagierod
me bevrjer davrchenilvar gaognebuli ganatlebuli amerikelis mier ama tu
im problemis gadachris originalurobit (chems profesiul samkaroshi).
bevrjer mat ar akvt konkretuli safudzveli ama tu im ideis
dasasabuteblad, magram intuitsiurad grdznoben taviant simartles. bevr
shemtxvevashi shedegi dadebitia da shemdgomi analizi am movlenis
'pragmatul/formalur' axsnasats poulobs, romelits mholod faktobrivi
tsodnit sheudzlebeli iko dagenaha.
sakme isaa, amerikelebi xvdebian, rom sashualo skolis ganatlebis
sistemashi shetsdoma mouvidat da tsdiloben gamoastsoron. aseve unda
davinaxot problema chveni skolis ganatlebashits da garkveuli kuradgeba
gadavitanot ama tu im movlenis arssa da mnishvnelobaze. marto teoremebis
zepirobashi da faktebis shishvlad tsodnashits araa gamosavali.
rats me akaur universitetebshi momtsons isaa, rom aseti radikalurad
gansxvavebuli ganatlebis xalxi ertad da produktiulad mushaobs -- ase
vtkvat, avseben ertmanetis nakls...
pativistsemit,
davit chelidze
nana
>
> levan,
> daziritadad vetanxmebi shens natkvams. imas ki did xazs gausvamdi rats
> bolos tkvi:
>
> > adgilzez amartlebdes.
>
> mitsastan gastsoreba rogorts am jgufis zogiert tsevrs mosdis miugebelia
> chemtsvis.
gulisxmobs rom mitsastan astsorebs kvelafers.
me ki rogorc adamians romelsac ak ar misstavlia didxans is faktic
mkofnis daskvnis gasaketeblad sharshan webdesignis kursebze 15 sashualod
40 tslis adamintan ertad klasshi rom gvitxres tu radiusi ar icit ra aris
ar inerviuloto.
es adamianebi tavisi asakisagan gamomdinare kvela strathemis mkvidri ar
unda kofiliko. ase rom davushveb rom sxvadasxva shtatebshi izrdebodnen
da sxvadasxva datsesebulebebsgi miiges ganatleba, zogi fsikologiis
master degrees mkone iko zogi kidev sxva ramis. gaunatlebeli ik aravin
iko anu udiplomo, mxolod radiusi ar icnodnen ra iko... sheidzleba
zogiertma tkventaganmac ar icis ra aris radiusi da tavi ganatlebuli
gonia.:-)
samtsuxaro ambavi makvs mashin satkmeli, ar xart megobrebo ganatlebuli.
:-) radiusis codna aucilebeli mometnia me-20 saukunis adamianisatvis.
kidev ertic gadacharbebs tavi daanebet tu sheidzleba tu me mgulisxmobt.
aravis mitsastan ar vastsoreb, mxolod magaliti movikvane.
vnaxav ise vermontis sofelshi mcxovreb ojaxs romlis shvili dabali
dafinansebis skolashi stsavlobs ra programebs da perspektivebs gauxsnis
gaunatlebeli mastsvlebeli da aseve monadire mshobeli. ragac ar mjera
magram gamoricxuli araa. tuki am bavshvebis shemotsmebas axdens vinme
garedan da gakvetilebze dasstrebebi mimdinareobs, mashin sheidzleba
bavshvs martla daexmaron. tumca tuki mis garshemo normaluri skola ar
aris ra bavshsvs daashoreben mshoblebs? monadire mshoblebi ganatlebas
vitom ase daafaseben? garda amisa ar dagavitskdet rom sakmaod magali
procenti akauri mosaxleobisa tserakitxvis ucodinaric aris. tu ar gjerat
statias amovbechdav roca dro momecema. mec davishoke. ricxvebs ver
vimaxsovreb kargad amitom shecdmomis dahsveba ar msurs da ar vitkvi. ise
10%-ze sakmaod magali iko.
ise ki, chemi daskvnebi ase tu agizianebs zogiertebs shegidzliat
mommartot sajarod rom tkveni nervebis ashla shevtskvito da ... chemi
tavi genacvalot.
sanacvlod shemidzlia gamovacxado rom mimachnia shemdegi: sakartveloshi
sakme sul tskaltsagebulia am dargshi da ra kargia rom gadavrchit. :-)))
n.
david chelidze
> anu ra fulis patroni xar. amitomaa rom xshirad saxlis fasi metia imis
> mixedvit tu ra skolashi moutsevs bavshvs siaruli. real estate
> jurnalebshi shavit tetrze tseria xolme kargi saskolo zona.
es me mgoni bunebrivia da gaotsebuli var ase ra gakvirvebs? tvit
adrindel sakartveloshits ase iko! tumtsa ik kvela "tanastsorni"
vikavit...
> tu fuli ar gakvs mashin gmertis imedze unda iko rom konkurentunariani
> shvili gazardo.
amashi ki ver dagetanxmebi! tu shvili givarga, mistvis uamravi
programebia romlebits xels utskoben finansurad tu "lgotebis" saxit
satanado ganatleba ar daakldes. dasatskis etapzets ki, im bavshvebistvis
romlebits dabali shemosavlis mkone ojaxebidan arian arsebobs "head
start" programa, romelshits mdidrebits stdiloben tavianti shvilebi
moaxvedron. me ver vitkvi bevr adgilas vkofilvar amerikashi metki,
magram ori shtatis gamotsdilebit vlaparakob amas.
akve imas davsdzen, rom es programebi mraval shemtxvevashi ar vrtseldeba
utsxoelebis bavshvebze. ak aseti midgoma akvt: tu tkveni ojaxis
uzrunvelkofa tkven tviton ar shegidzliat amerikashi, datovet mashin
samshobloshio. verts motxov, rom sxva saxelmtsifos shvilebs daxmarebis
xeli gautsodon ak.
> amaze didi kamatia kongresshi. magalitad newhampshiris
> gaverners dzalian atsuxebs chamorchenili kalakebis skolebis mdgomareoba
> da unda rom saerto biujeti shekmnas ganatlebis sistemisatvis da ikidan
> tanabrad gaanatsilos, magram respublikuri partia tsinaagmdegia. ratom
> unda uxados mdidarma garibs shvilis ganatlebisatviso.
esets araa gasakviri. tu garib, magram nichier kats maints ukmnian
pirobebs, me ak ver vxedav problemas. unichos is kargi skola maints ver
astsavlis verafers da fulis kars gataneba ikneba marto!
> ase rom kartvelebo
> jer kai fuli chaijibet da mere ifikret bevri shvilebis gachenaze.
diaxats tavad unda izruno da ifikro tu rogor da ra gzit apireb sheni
shvilisatvis ganatlebis mitsemas. sxvas ver daavaldebuleb amaze ifikros
an izrunos...
> amas tsinat televiktorinas vukure. 17 tslis high schoolis bavshvebma ver
> upasuxes shekitxvas. 1200 aris 70% tsignis gverdebisa ramdeni gverdia
> tsignshi? anu 100% ver gamotvales.
> dzalian shemecodnen. gultsrfelad vambob. imitom rom bavshvs magis
> gamotvla 10 tslis asakshic sheudzlia da es ubradod sashinel ganatlebaze
> miutitebs. viktorinaze chamorchenil studentebs ar gamoikvandnen
> albat...
nana, netavi ramdeni ati tslis bavshvi dagitvlis magas? eger bevr
zrdasrul kartvels vitsnob da gartsmuneb bevri ver gipasuxebs magaze
stsrafad. ki batono, me eg elementarulad mimachnia, shents da bevr
tsvrtna gamovlil adamiansats aseve hgoniat. imashits getanxmebi, rogorts
LD-s pasuxshi avgnishne, rom skolis ganatlebashi moikochleben. magram
ase erti magalitit, mtelze msjeloba ar mimachnia stsored. exla movkve me
ak ert amerikel axalgazrdas vitsnob da ase da ise shveba da ra magrebi
arian metki? xom ar viknebi stsori? tanats ak mag gadatsemebs
'pakazuxobistvis' ar aketeben da sulats araa ase ashkara, rom sauketeso
mostsavleebi ikvnen ik, ufro albat 'volunteers':)
mag gadatsemashi isits sheidzleboda dagenaxa, rom ar xuchaven amerikashi
taviant utsodinarobaze tvals. kulisebs iket ki ar dautseres pasuxebi da
chatskobit ki ar gaiges adre ras sheekitxebodnen, aramed mtel xalxs
daanaxves rom amerikis ganatlebis systema _gasachirshia_. rotsa
problemas ase giad xedav, misi gadachris gzebits ufro advilad sapovnelia
da tu daakvirdebi bolodroindel movlenebs, ukve daitsko modzraoba am
situatsiis shesatsvlelad.
> amati universitetis tsignebi vnaxe fizikashi. integralze
> laparaki zedmetia. mesame kurszhe sigmas anu jams astsavlian ikneb
> gaigon rameo. raze vlaparakobt?
namdvilad raze laparakob, nana? romeli tsigni naxe dzalian damainterese
martla? liberal arts majors rom astsavlian zogad fizikas albat is? :) ar
vitsi martla ra gvchirs aseti. chemi erti tslit ak kofnis mere (rogorts
undergrad.) ert chem kofil tanaklasels velaparake romelits fizikis
fakultetze stsavlobda tbilisshi. unda genaxa rogor amigdo masxrad -
shents gistsavlia ik ragatseebio. ra tkma unda, vis gaakvirveb 'ordinary
diff equations' ubralo sainjinro gamokenebit, tu mati (sakmaod vitsro da
martivi klasis) amoxsna fizikis fakultetis pirvel tu meore kursze
istsavleba. sakme ki, ase ubralod ar iko - is mteli sagnis arss verts
chastsvda, mxolod zedapiri dainaxa da sasatsilod moechvena.
sinamdvileshi, es kursi tsrfivi algebrisa da analizis safudzvlebs
unergavda studentebs da ara mshralad gantolebebis amoxsnas astsavlida.
im chemi megobris tvalit tu shevxedavt sakitxs, mashin mteli kvanturi
fizika sasatsiloa radgan 'chveulebriv' hamiltonis gantolebebs
ejajgurebian, romlebits ubralo PDE aris, romlis martivi (mxolod tsrfivi)
shemtxvevebis amoxsnats TSU-s meore kurssze istsavleba.
> erti isaa rom chcventan universitetis
> damtavrebis mere itskeboda chatskoba anu sociumi krtamshi da
> protekcionizmshi idzireboda da aman ganapiroba rom shen codnas sakmeshi
> ver ikenebdi mere jangdebodi nela-nela.
erti unda itkvas xmamagla da tsxadad. TSU-s fizikis da matematikis
fakultetebi gamonaklisia sakartvelos sauniversiteto ganatlebis
sistemashi. magaze dzlieri da kargi ar moidzebneba sakartveloshi.
shesabamisad, tu sashualo amerikuli universitetis damtavrebul
undergraduate-s TSU-s am fakultetebis damtavrebuls gautoleb, dzalian
arastsor surats dainaxav! ratom ar ginda sashualo GPI damtavrebuli
sheadaro ak sashualo sainjinro skola damtavrebuls? tu ar ginda, mshin
modi batono da sheedare Princeton, MIT, Cornel da Brown damtavrebul
matematikosebsa da fizikosebs! aba exla community college students tu
edreba katsi shors ver tsava!
> ak ki pirikitaa. tu ici da
> sakmis gaketeba ginda midi da miatseki. mere sheidzleba ver ishovo kai
> samsaxuri ogondac.
raxan fizikosi xar, modi fizikaze dagelaparakebi. tsagikitxavs "Physics
Today" jurnalis bolo nomrebi? ki agiareben, rom tsivi omis damtavrebis
mere sakmaod chatsva es dargi, magram axal agmavlobasa akvs exla adgili.
martalia kvela teoriul fizikashi ver ipovis samushaos, magram sakmao
motxovnilebaa experimentalursa da praktikulze.
> anu vgulisxmob post-graduate ssolas. sadac rogorc
> mitxres me rom me-4 kursze vistsavle is sagani unda messtavla
> phd-satvis, zustad igive tsignidan da igive amocanebi mexsna. rac
> dzalian mesiamovna ratkmaunda.
nana, makvirveb pirdapir, vis eleparake asets neta? ki batono
moikochleben ak safudzvlian matematikur ganatlebashi da sheidzleba
zogierts utsevdes 'jgufta teoriis', 'tenzoruli algebris', 'stokasturi
protsesebis' an 'variatsiuli metodebis' ageba da stsavla rotsa Graduate
Schoolshi arian. magram es sulats ar nishnavs imas rom, vints es
kvelaferi meotxe kurssze SAFUDZVLIANAD istsavla tbilisshi (rashits didad
mepareba echvi), imanats igive unda aketon Ph.D-s dros! shegidzlia
chaabaro "qualifying" da gaagrdzelo sheni sakme.
isev avgnishnav, Graduate Schools gaachnia ra tkma unda! magalitad chemi
Illinoisshi kofnisas mteli Graduate studentebi ikvnen utsxoelebi tito
orolas gamoklebit. gegoneboda amerikashi sadoktoros marto utsxoelebi
itsavdnen. bevri profesori ambobda, ra vknat amerikelebma ar itsian
elementaruli matematikao. magram ager sxva universitetshi var da ak
dziritadad amerikuli tsarmoshobis studentebi arian da tu utshoels igeben
ak, dzalian prtxilad archeven mat:) ase rom, ufro farto xedva unda
gvkondes sakitxisa. exla bevri laparaki gamomiva, magram maints vitkvi:
chemi xelmdzgvaneli tsminda amerikelia, magram aseti zogadi ganatlebisa
da grma profesiuli tsodnis adamiani me jer tsxovrebashi ar shemxvedria.
nebismier temaze shegidzliat esaubrot datskebuli xelovnebidan
damtavrebuli samkaros shekmnit:) es ra tkma unda, kerdzo shemtxvevaa,
magram me ar vanzogadeb da ar vambob mteli amerika asetia metki!
> tumca mere vifikre sad gamovikeneb am
> fizikas american naivishi aravin mimigebs samsaxurshi metki da davanebe
> tavi.
dzalian girchev is jurnalebi gadaikitxo. kvelaze didi damkiravebeli
fizikosebisa dges dgeobit WallStreet aris. ratom? imitom, rom chkvian
xalxze uketesad fuls vin gaaketebs? :) tu stsored airchev profesias
namdvilad gza gakvs ak xsnili! chkviani da mtsodne xalxi kuchashi ar
kria ak da kvelas afaseben shesabamisad.
pativistsemit
dato
nana
minda gagiziarot tu raoden fuchad mesaxeba levanis mier chatskobili
saubrebi amerikis av-kargis shesaxeb.
man berias da stalinis metodebit dagmo chemi damokidebuleba iugoslaviis
dabombvis shesaxeb, ( sakme imashia rom agnishnuli damokidebuleba didad
ar gansxvavdeba naxevari msoflios damokidebulebisagan da ase rom
arsebobis ufleba hkonda am NG-ze) mfrinav mishas gamoudzaxa da chems
gakritikebas sheudga imisatvis rom gvirabi gamkavs portsmoutidan
belgradamde. :-)))
shemdeg man am saubrebshi chaitria imedi, besiki, levan darjania da
kvelas kompromati dascancla.
shemdeg samtsuxarod mas uertdeba ufro obiekturad gantskobili ramdenime
tsevri da amerikis mitsastan gastsorebashi brals gvdebs kvela danarchens
radgan provokacias avkevit.
tu ase gagrdzelda me provokatorobashi vamxel kofil baton( axla igi
arabatonia) levarsis garda momavali demografiuli katastrofis chatskobisa
da bevr danarchens amis daunaxavobashi anu pasiur tanamshromlobashi.
me piradad levarsis da mistanata gasarchevi ar mgonia chemi
damokidebuleba am kveknis mimart. brchkviala mdzivebit gulmombali veluri
ki ar var, aramed am kveknis chveulebrivi macxovrebeli romelsac gultan
miakvs kvelaferi rac ak xdeba. kvelas akvs imis ufleba rom tavisi azri
gaachndes magram kuris atseva imistavis rogor tu akritikebo martla
magonebs "corrupted native indians" an kidev sxva danarchen velurebs
kapitani kuki rom urigebda brchkviala nivtebs.
moklet mkacrad vilashkreb am avadmkofuri kamatis tsinaagmdeg.
brma aravin araa da amerikas nakls iseve amchnevs rogorc bevri normaluri
amerikeli. tanac amashi aravitari boroteba ar urevia.
salaparakos meti ra aris? nutu es provocirebuli saubrebi unda
gagrdzeldes?
moklet visac is agizianebs rom xalxi ragacas amchnevs, shemidzlia
vurchio rom civi tskali dalios, zed makdonaldis sauketeso sakvebi
daakolos, "importul" mankanashi chajdes da gaiseirn-gamoiseirnos, da
mere ki sxva sakme gamonaxos garda sxvebis kritikisa.
da sad arian martla sakartveloshi macxovrebeli kartvelebi?
rodis eknebat sinatle rom kompiuterebi gamoikenon? mIRC nutu sjobia
NG-s?
ketili survilebit
araintriganebis mimart
nana
nana wrote:
>
> david chelidze wrote:
> >
> > levan,
> > daziritadad vetanxmebi shens natkvams. imas ki did xazs gausvamdi rats
> > bolos tkvi:
> >
> > > Tumza.... es konkretuli magalitebi sulaz araa savaldebulo rom sxva
> > > adgilzez amartlebdes.
> >
guest
> minda xazi gavusva rom aravin visac raime uarkofiti akvs satkmeli ar
> gulisxmobs rom mitsastan astsorebs kvelafers.
nana, aravis ekrjaleba micastan ramis gascoreba, mitumertes ti im kveqanas
tatxav romelshic daibade - vinaidan archevani ar gkonda, gasagebia rom
garemos gaanalizebis shemdeg gadacqvito, es ra sanagveshi micxovriao.
sxva ambavua roca im kveqanas akritikeb saakmaod mkacrad romelshic sakutari
nebit gadaxvedi. tu mazokisti an jalit caqvanili araa adamiani am
shemtxvevashi,
jnelad asaxsnelia is rasac shen ambob saerotod. aio es aris ucnauri
momenti ak.
amave dros shen da is xalxi romelc shennairad akritikebs qvelapers
garshemo, iset ragaceebs agnishnavs rac pirvelxarisxovani araa. mxolod
axla miutite pirvelad am sazogadoebis ert seriuzul problemaze -
ganatlebis sistemis chamorchenilobaze.
manamde ki martlac rom sasacilo rameebze amaxvilbdi quradgebas. rom
itqvian
sharze unda iqos kaci tu imas daicuneb rom Hendelis saxeli ar gaugonia
vinmes, an rom kalebs celulitis problema akvs ( da ara zedmeti conis)
tanac imasac ar akonkreteb tu vin ar icoda hendelis saxeli. ikneb sheni
dgevandeli magalma mianishnos vis sheijleba igebde nimushad:
> vnaxav ise vermontis sofelshi mcxovreb ojaxs romlis shvili dabali
> dafinansebis skolashi stsavlobs ra programebs da perspektivebs gauxsnis
> gaunatlebeli mastsvlebeli da aseve monadire mshobeli.
gmertmani martlac rom saintereso archevbania, vermonitis miqruebuli sopeli
da tanac monadire ijaxi. uketesi ikneboda dasavlet virginia agerchia da ik
umushevar memagaraoelta ojaxi.
ai es aris scored imis mimanishnebeli rom shen surats ukirkiteb, axlodan
kritikuli magram gaconascorebulad shexedvis nacvlad.
es xom imis dari ikneba vinme sakartveloshi rom chamovides da tushetis
miqruebul sopelshi pargalala 2 mocapian slolashi sheixedos da tkvas, es
aris tkveni ganatlebis sistemao!
cnobilia rom shtatebis sazogadoebrivi skolebi jalian ganatlebul mocapeebs
ver amzadebs. magram tu am sakitxshi odnav mainc chaoixedav, naxav rom es
sxva mizezebtan ertad imis bralicaa rom bevri amerikeli ukiduresobashi
gadavarda - imdenad etanebian tanabrobis princips rom least comon
denominators igeben
ganatlebis sacqaod, qvelazde chamorchenil mocapeebis doneze ascavlian rom
mocapeta shors didi sxvaoba an daqopa ar gamochnde., amis gamoa rom bevri
ecinaagmdegeba diperencirebuli scavlebis sistemas sadac bavshvebs unaris
mixedvit daqopen. es imitom rom zogis azrit , tu mocapes imas anishneb rom
misi unari metad shezguidulia, amit mas umartebulod dachagrav. scored
taabrobis am principis gamoa rom saxelmcipo sxlkolebi valdebuli arian
gonebrivad chamorchenili bavshvebic ki chveulebi klashi dasvan.
es ukiduresobaa magram umizezod ar xdeba, pirikit zsogi pikrobs rom amit
idi samsaxuri eceva bavshvta tvitgirsebis grjnobas.
gasakviia rom aset sazopgadoebashi naklebad ixilav evropul da gansakutrebit
frangul snobizms, romlis tanaxmad tu guy de mopassant ar ca cagikitxavs,
urtiertobis ki ara amajobis girsic ar xar?
Levani
nana
dato agar minda amaze laparaki saertod magram sulma mainc tsamdzlia
amitom dzalian stsarfad gipasuxeb.
>
> > anu vgulisxmob post-graduate ssolas. sadac rogorc
> > mitxres me rom me-4 kursze vistsavle is sagani unda messtavla
> > phd-satvis, zustad igive tsignidan da igive amocanebi mexsna. rac
> > dzalian mesiamovna ratkmaunda.
>
> nana, makvirveb pirdapir, vis eleparake asets neta?
romelsac chveni jgufi stsavlobda fizikis fakultetze. mat UNH-shi mitxres
rom is aris mxolod Post grauatebis sastsavlo tsigni. gaige?
>ki batono
> moikochleben ak safudzvlian matematikur ganatlebashi da sheidzleba
> zogierts utsevdes 'jgufta teoriis', 'tenzoruli algebris', 'stokasturi
> protsesebis' an 'variatsiuli metodebis' ageba da stsavla rotsa Graduate
> Schoolshi arian. magram es sulats ar nishnavs imas rom, vints es
> kvelaferi meotxe kurssze SAFUDZVLIANAD istsavla tbilisshi (rashits didad
> mepareba echvi), imanats igive unda aketon Ph.D-s dros! shegidzlia
> chaabaro "qualifying" da gaagrdzelo sheni sakme.
ai stored eg shemomtavazes. anu cxadia rom high schoolshi rom
chamorchebian mere imas xom unda datseva? amitomac aris rom meotxe
kursze nastsavli ak postgradshi unda gamemeorebia. ise vici rom chveni
fakultetis xalxi satsavleblad shemdgom kursze rom dasves ak( albat ara
harvardshi) idzulebulebi gaxdnen ert tveshi ukan daebrunebiat imitom rom
lekciebze amtknartebdnen. anu tslebit ustsreben.
ise dato, ise rogorc shen icav ak migebul shens ganatlebas aseve minda
davicva chemi ganatlebac. ase rom usafudzvlod ganatlebulebshi shegidzlia
sxvebi moisxenio.
aba dafikrdi ra dags asvam mtel shens xalxs roca usafudzvlo ganatlebas
stsameb cilad? nutu ver xedav amas? nutu usafudzvlod ganatlebulia
tavxelidze, chikovani, xaradze da kidev bevri sxva? chven taobas ar
gaexsna igive farto perspektivebi rac imas ar miutitebs rom
sakartveloshi xalxi utsignuria. ra vkna tavs isev sakartveloshi mkof
kartvelebtan vaigiveb da aseti gamonatkvamebi gulshi mtsared mxvdeba.
imashi ki rom marto magari fulis patronebi magar ubnebshi daatarebdnen
shvilebs magar skolebshi ver dagetanxmebi. sabchota kavshirshi
oficialurad ufleba mkonda romel skolashic mindoda ik gadavsulikavi
tundac mankanit vetarebie chems mshoblebs sxva kalakebshi, garda amisa
xshirad magari xalxis skola ufro cud ganatlebas idzleoda garemos gamo
vidre ubralo xalxis skola da kidev programa kvelas erti gkonda anu
shansi ganatlebaze erti iko.
> dzalian girchev is jurnalebi gadaikitxo. kvelaze didi damkiravebeli
> fizikosebisa dges dgeobit WallStreet aris. ratom? imitom, rom chkvian
> xalxze uketesad fuls vin gaaketebs? :) tu stsored airchev profesias
> namdvilad gza gakvs ak xsnili! chkviani da mtsodne xalxi kuchashi ar
> kria ak da kvelas afaseben shesabamisad.
chkuasac gaachnia...etkoba imdeni chkua ar gamachnia.
>
> pativistsemit
>
> dato
modit shevtskvitot es saubari? aba risi momtania es kvelaferi?
me ra karieras gaviketeb fizikashi tu ra?
nana
guest
>
> levanis mier chatskobili saubrebi
chacqobili tu dacqebuli?
am mtels cerilze ise gulianad vicine, rom gmadlob nana. tumca shen
sasacilod ar xar gancqobili :-(
es mprinavi misha vingaa?
> man berias da stalinis metodebit dagmo chemi damokidebuleba
bicos!
> shemdeg man am saubrebshi chaitria imedi, besiki, levan darjania da
> kvelas kompromati dascancla.
> shemdeg samtsuxarod mas uertdeba ufro obiekturad gantskobili
me tu mkitxav, es upro gavs shetkmuilebis (saubari chaacqoo) mxilebis
stalin-beriul process :-)
>shemidzlia vurchio
Madlobt magram nu shecuxdebi ;-)
Levani
david chelidze
> romelsac chveni jgufi stsavlobda fizikis fakultetze. mat UNH-shi mitxres
> rom is aris mxolod Post grauatebis sastsavlo tsigni. gaige?
nana, ar vitsi sheidzleba UNH-shi egrea, magram me sadats vkofilvar ik
nebismieri kursis ageba shemedzlo Post Graduate curiculumidan rotsa
UnderGrad vikavi, martalia amaze satanado nebartvis ageba mchirdeboda.
> ai stored eg shemomtavazes. anu cxadia rom high schoolshi rom
> chamorchebian mere imas xom unda datseva? amitomac aris rom meotxe
> kursze nastsavli ak postgradshi unda gamemeorebia.
aravin ar gtxovs gameorebas im universitetebshi romlebshits me
mistsavlia. magalitad me umaglesi matematikis qualifying gamotsda kursis
agebis gareshe chavabare da amaze aravis konda pretenzia. sakme isaa rom
departaments unda hkondes sabuti rom shens dargshi sheni xarisxisatvis
migebul standartebs akmakofileb (es me Grad School-ze vlaparakob,
undergrad sxvaa).
ise, nana, ar vitsi, fizikis sakme albat umagles doneze dgas tbilisshi,
torem me satsodavma injinerma ra kursebits avige ak ik saertod araa
kurikulumshi...
> ise vici rom chveni
> fakultetis xalxi satsavleblad shemdgom kursze rom dasves ak( albat ara
> harvardshi) idzulebulebi gaxdnen ert tveshi ukan daebrunebiat imitom rom
> lekciebze amtknartebdnen. anu tslebit ustsreben.
sad ukan dabrunebaze laparakob? me vitsi bevri fizikis fakultet
damtavrebuli ak prinstonis da sxva motsinave universitetebshi. martlats
tavisuflad artmeven tavs stsavlas da kargi studentebi arian. magram ukan
aravin gaubrunebiat dzalian bevri itsio.
> ise dato, ise rogorc shen icav ak migebul shens ganatlebas aseve minda
> davicva chemi ganatlebac. ase rom usafudzvlod ganatlebulebshi shegidzlia
> sxvebi moisxenio.
nana, me shens mimart ar mitkvia eg! zogadad ra sagnebits me chamovtvale
ar sheidzleba meotxe kursze sapudzvlianad iknas shestsavlili. chemi
uaxloesi amxanagebi ikvnen fizikosebi da maxsovs rogor aklavdnen tavs
kvantur fizikasa da jgufta teorias. aseve kargad vitsi zog jgufshi
mxolod erteulebs tu esmodat es sagnebi safudzvlianad! ak kidev tu PhD-s
gadzleven dartsmunebuli unda ikvnen rom shen ara marto safudzvlianad
flob am sagnebs aramed am fizikosis dana-changlis xmareba tvaldaxuchuls
shegidzlia rata damoukidebeli kvleva atsarmoo.
> aba dafikrdi ra dags asvam mtel shens xalxs roca usafudzvlo ganatlebas
> stsameb cilad? nutu ver xedav amas? nutu usafudzvlod ganatlebulia
> tavxelidze, chikovani, xaradze da kidev bevri sxva?
me es ar mitkvams. chveni fizikis skola ak sakmaodaa tsnobili, iseve
rogorts matematikis. me piradad kovel tsuts maxseneben musxelishvils da
kvela chems profesors udevs misi tsigni karadashi! me ubralod zogadad
vlaparakobdi. es sagnebi araa ase advilad dasadzlevi, did abstraktulad
azrovnebis nichs moitxovs da namdvilad echvi mepareba, rom kvela meotxe
kursels safudzvlianad akvs nastsavli!
> chven taobas ar
> gaexsna igive farto perspektivebi rac imas ar miutitebs rom
> sakartveloshi xalxi utsignuria. ra vkna tavs isev sakartveloshi mkof
> kartvelebtan vaigiveb da aseti gamonatkvamebi gulshi mtsared mxvdeba.
dzalian gtxov nu gamoikvane ise titkos mtel ganatlebul kartvelobas
vadzagebde! me ubralod mogaxsene, rom akauri post graduate (tu graduate)
stsavlebis sistema namdvilad magal donezea, da ar chemouvardeba
sorbonisa tu oxfordis skolebs. mertmune bevr saertashoriso
konferentsiaze vkofilvar da am sakmeshi gamegeba tsota ram. akve
avgnishnav, rom sakartvelos magali energiebis fizikis institutitsa da
geofizikis institutits dzalian kargad tsarmoadgenen xolme tavis tavs. es
me rats gamigia da sulats ar gamovritsxav, rom sxva institutebshits
mimdinareobs magali donis kvleva.
> imashi ki rom marto magari fulis patronebi magar ubnebshi daatarebdnen
> shvilebs magar skolebshi ver dagetanxmebi. sabchota kavshirshi
> oficialurad ufleba mkonda romel skolashic mindoda ik gadavsulikavi
> tundac mankanit vetarebie chems mshoblebs sxva kalakebshi, garda amisa
> xshirad magari xalxis skola ufro cud ganatlebas idzleoda garemos gamo
> vidre ubralo xalxis skola da kidev programa kvelas erti gkonda anu
> shansi ganatlebaze erti iko.
es kvelaferi stsorea, magram arsebobda diferentsiatsia rasats shen
agiareb. zogs sheedzlo etarebina tavisi shvili karg skolashi da zogs
ara! fakti esaa da is tu romeli skola iko sinamdvileshi kargi araa
pirdapir dakavshirebuli amastan.
ise tsnobisatvis im patara kalakebshi, sadats me mitsxovria, tu droze
izruneb da mzad xar shen tviton ataro sheni shvili skolashi, shegidzlia
im skolashi miikvano romelits ufro kargad migachnia. martalia, amaze
zogjer uars getkvian, tu im ubnelma bavshvebma mtlianad sheavses
skolashi arsebuli adgilebi.
> modit shevtskvitot es saubari? aba risi momtania es kvelaferi?
ratom, nana? me piradad es dzlier saintereso temad mimachnia da
aktualuradats, radgan chemi bavshvi ak izrdeba. minda farto xedva
mkondes akaur ganatlebis problemebze. me dziritadad graduate school-is
gamotsdileba makvs, magram vxedavdi tu rogori studentoba modioda high
school-idan da friad magelvebs am skolebis mdgomareoba.
> me ra karieras gaviketeb fizikashi tu ra?
me tu mkitxav sheudzlebeli araferia. fizika sakmaod praktikuli
metsnierebaa da shennair skola gamovlil adamians ar unda gauchirdes
tundats upro prozaul da teknikur karieras misdios - tundats IT and IS
ganxrit. mtavaria pozitiurad moekido sakmes. akve avgnishnav, rom me
emigranti ara var (tumtsa ar gamovritsxav momavalshi am shesadzleblobas)
da ar gamachnia iseti uflebebi da shesadzleblobebi rogorits am kveknis
mkvidr mosaxleobas. shesabamisad chems natkvams dzalian gtxov nu gaigeb
sakartvelos dzagebad da amerikis gandidebad. me ase vxedav sakitxs, shen
sxvagvarad. ra moxda mere? agar gauziarot ertmanets azri?
vfikrob rom sakmao kvalifikatsia gamachnia am sakitxshi da amitomats
amovige xma, torem rats ar gamegeba da rashits diletantad vtvli tavs
imaze ar shegdavebivar me mgoni!
pativistsemit,
davit chelidze
nana
> ise, nana, ar vitsi, fizikis sakme albat umagles doneze dgas tbilisshi,
> torem me satsodavma injinerma ra kursebits avige ak ik saertod araa
> kurikulumshi...
me ki cota metic metsera anu ufro metic. fizika aris fundamentaluri
mecniereba romelic kveknebis mixedvit ar icvleba. :-)mitumetes teoriuli
fizika. amitom landau lipshici akac saimedo saxelmdzgvanelod miichneva,
aseve chang lee and ase shedmeg. xom xedav kvela tavisi tavidan
gamomdinare vlaparakobt.
>
> > ise vici rom chveni
> > fakultetis xalxi satsavleblad shemdgom kursze rom dasves ak( albat ara
> > harvardshi) idzulebulebi gaxdnen ert tveshi ukan daebrunebiat imitom rom
> > lekciebze amtknartebdnen. anu tslebit ustsreben.
>
> sad ukan dabrunebaze laparakob?
es didi shcecodma momivida. :-)
dato me shenze ufrosi var. amitom shen sxva surati naxe me sxva.
chems dros chemi tanakruselebi rom tsaikvanes sabchota kavshiri jeri
kidev gafurchkvnis fazashi iko. vlaparakob 1986-1987 tslebze. xoda rom
ver istsavles anu modundnen da buzebis tvla daitskes chamoikvanes xalxi
ukan. me-2 kursze dasves. jer es erti komarovelebi ikvnen meorec sagnebi
gacilebit seriozuli istsavleboda mag asakis studentebisatvis tbilisshi.
me vitsi bevri fizikis fakultet
> damtavrebuli ak prinstonis da sxva motsinave universitetebshi.
mas shemdeg rac gaixsna sazgvrebi da daingra fizikisatvis aucilebeli
infrastruktura, bevrma axlagazrdam tavisi profesionalizmis gadasarchenad
moaxerxa dasavletshi chamosvla. cota ufrosebs ki dzalian gagvichirda,
magram es imas ar nishnavs rom matze nakleb vasxit tvini tsignebze.
martlats
> tavisuflad artmeven tavs stsavlas da kargi studentebi arian. magram ukan
> aravin gaubrunebiat dzalian bevri itsio.
amaze gipasuxe.
>
> > ise dato, ise rogorc shen icav ak migebul shens ganatlebas aseve minda
> > davicva chemi ganatlebac. ase rom usafudzvlod ganatlebulebshi shegidzlia
> > sxvebi moisxenio.
>
> nana, me shens mimart ar mitkvia eg! zogadad ra sagnebits me chamovtvale
> ar sheidzleba meotxe kursze sapudzvlianad iknas shestsavlili. chemi
> uaxloesi amxanagebi ikvnen fizikosebi da maxsovs rogor aklavdnen tavs
> kvantur fizikasa da jgufta teorias. aseve kargad vitsi zog jgufshi
> mxolod erteulebs tu esmodat es sagnebi safudzvlianad! ak kidev tu PhD-s
> gadzleven dartsmunebuli unda ikvnen rom shen ara marto safudzvlianad
> flob am sagnebs aramed am fizikosis dana-changlis xmareba tvaldaxuchuls
> shegidzlia rata damoukidebeli kvleva atsarmoo.
bodishs gixdit. batono. ak uketesadaa sakme axla, gavige...
magram es koveltvis ase ar iko mitumetse fizika, matematika, fsikologia,
da kartul enatmecnierebashi. :-)
>
> > aba dafikrdi ra dags asvam mtel shens xalxs roca usafudzvlo ganatlebas
> > stsameb cilad? nutu ver xedav amas? nutu usafudzvlod ganatlebulia
> > tavxelidze, chikovani, xaradze da kidev bevri sxva?
>
> me es ar mitkvams. chveni fizikis skola ak sakmaodaa tsnobili, iseve
> rogorts matematikis. me piradad kovel tsuts maxseneben musxelishvils da
> kvela chems profesors udevs misi tsigni karadashi! me ubralod zogadad
> vlaparakobdi. es sagnebi araa ase advilad dasadzlevi, did abstraktulad
> azrovnebis nichs moitxovs da namdvilad echvi mepareba, rom kvela meotxe
> kursels safudzvlianad akvs nastsavli!
ki kaci istsavlis meotxe kursze da mere agrdzelebs da agrdzelebs grmad
shestavlas. mashin roca meotxe kurseli ak jer kidev eufleba matanalizs
da diferencialur gantolebebs.
ise ki rac ginda is tkvi xalxs romelsac ganatlebis gamokenebis
shesadzlebloba ar mieca, imis dzaxili isedac chemze usafudzvlod istavlet
rac istavleto, da ai chven ra vistsavlet am amerikashi rogor bedavt mis
gakritikebaso, didad ar eamebat. mec mat shoris.
ragac variantshi umetes shens tanamemamuleebze metad tu gagimartla
rogorc profesionals usafudzvlo codna gakvt da dzalian echvi mepareba
tkvens codnashio is ar unda gamoschviodes sheni tserilebidan.
ise ra minda... kaco. sxvebtan shedarebit shen angelozi xar.
> > chven taobas ar
> > gaexsna igive farto perspektivebi rac imas ar miutitebs rom
> > sakartveloshi xalxi utsignuria. ra vkna tavs isev sakartveloshi mkof
> > kartvelebtan vaigiveb da aseti gamonatkvamebi gulshi mtsared mxvdeba.
>
> dzalian gtxov nu gamoikvane ise titkos mtel ganatlebul kartvelobas
> vadzagebde! me ubralod mogaxsene, rom akauri post graduate (tu graduate)
> stsavlebis sistema namdvilad magal donezea, da ar chemouvardeba
> sorbonisa tu oxfordis skolebs. mertmune bevr saertashoriso
> konferentsiaze vkofilvar da am sakmeshi gamegeba tsota ram. akve
> avgnishnav, rom sakartvelos magali energiebis fizikis institutitsa da
> geofizikis institutits dzalian kargad tsarmoadgenen xolme tavis tavs. es
> me rats gamigia da sulats ar gamovritsxav, rom sxva institutebshits
> mimdinareobs magali donis kvleva.
namdvilad getanxmebi, da shedarebebis gaketebas tavi unda avaridot, mec
aseve.
mitumetes dgevandeli mdgomareobidan gamomdinare. ramdenma nichierma
adamianma daaneba tavi mushaobas mxolod im miznit rom shimshilisagan ar
mokvdes. es sulac ar miutitebs chveni ganatlebis sistemis absolutur
usafudzvobas, kovel shemtxvevashi me roca visstavle. marto karcivadzis
tsigni gekofoda matanalizis mshvenieri specialisti rom gamxdarikavi.
erterti sauketeso tsignia rac ki am dargshi shemxvedria. codoebi ar
arian gaunatleblad rom gamoikvano xalxi gachirvebis gamo? ici ra dznelia
imis gadalaxva rom intelektualur cxovrebaze uars ambob?
> > imashi ki rom marto magari fulis patronebi magar ubnebshi daatarebdnen
> > shvilebs magar skolebshi ver dagetanxmebi. sabchota kavshirshi
> > oficialurad ufleba mkonda romel skolashic mindoda ik gadavsulikavi
> > tundac mankanit vetarebie chems mshoblebs sxva kalakebshi, garda amisa
> > xshirad magari xalxis skola ufro cud ganatlebas idzleoda garemos gamo
> > vidre ubralo xalxis skola da kidev programa kvelas erti gkonda anu
> > shansi ganatlebaze erti iko.
>
> es kvelaferi stsorea, magram arsebobda diferentsiatsia rasats shen
> agiareb. zogs sheedzlo etarebina tavisi shvili karg skolashi da zogs
> ara! fakti esaa da is tu romeli skola iko sinamdvileshi kargi araa
> pirdapir dakavshirebuli amastan.
>
> ise tsnobisatvis im patara kalakebshi, sadats me mitsxovria, tu droze
> izruneb da mzad xar shen tviton ataro sheni shvili skolashi, shegidzlia
> im skolashi miikvano romelits ufro kargad migachnia. martalia, amaze
> zogjer uars getkvian, tu im ubnelma bavshvebma mtlianad sheavses
> skolashi arsebuli adgilebi.
ar vici me bavshvi ar mkavs da am sakmeshi ar chamixedia detalurad
magram kvelam mixtxra rad ginda saxli mand sadac xar mashin bavshvebi
mxolod kerdzo skolashi unda ataroo. es ki artc maincdamainc iafia. ase
mitxra ertma rom montesuris metodit mokmed skolashi 12000 ixdis 6 tslis
bavshvisatvis tselitsadshi.(!) ise is vinac es mitxra chakceuli
milioneria da sheidzleba ragac specialur programashi charto tavisi
shvili.
>
> > modit shevtskvitot es saubari? aba risi momtania es kvelaferi?
>
> ratom, nana? me piradad es dzlier saintereso temad mimachnia da
> aktualuradats, radgan chemi bavshvi ak izrdeba. minda farto xedva
> mkondes akaur ganatlebis problemebze. me dziritadad graduate school-is
> gamotsdileba makvs, magram vxedavdi tu rogori studentoba modioda high
> school-idan da friad magelvebs am skolebis mdgomareoba.
me mgoni unda gavarkviot mashin aris tu ara ak raime skolebi rogorc
vekua anda komarovi. rom bavshvebi matematikis srul ucodnirobas aacilo.
mec magelvebs martali rom vtkva. garda amisa matematikas did pativs
vcem da ar minda shvili chercheti gamomivides skolis uvargisobis gamo.
ar vici mxolod sad aris aseti mimartulebis skolebi. visac vkitxe
umravlesoba meubneba cheer leaderoba da magari sportsmenoba iko chveni
mizanio. visi mizanic es ar iko mgoni tavis tavis ubedurebad ijdnen. ise
tsiladebi ar ician saertod. tsarmoebuls da integrals skolashi ar
astsavlian da mgoni arc trigonometiras! ase mitxres.... ramac sastikad
damagona. xoda evropas shevckeri imedis tvalit. anda isev beber
sakartvelos. amdens mainc asstavlian bavshvs.
modit ak mkofma kartveklebma ertad vicxovrot sadme ( tu ertmanetis
shechmas gadavechvevit) da kargi kerdzo skola gavxsnat chveni
shvilebisatvis. esec gamosavalia. matematikas ager gia astavlis, xatvas
da simgeras da cekva tamashs ;-) me vastsavli, :-) besiki sagvto sjuls,
levan darjania kimias, levani inglisurs, shen tu ginda fizika astsavle
anda shroma (!), ager aligatoris samxedro momzadebas miscems, ilarioni
ki civilizaciis safudzvlebs gaacnobs mat. :-)
kargi batono, gavuziarot azrebi. shen amas mshvenivrad axerxeb. tanac
simartlis tkmas tu am kveknis mitsastan gastosrebashi ar chamomartmevt
mashin laparaks azri edzleva.
ise mgoni head starti welfare xalxisatvis aris ara? anu unda daamtkico
rom fuli ar gakvs...
ketili survilebit
nana
david chelidze
ar vitsi ase xishtebit ratom xvdebi chems natkvams. mertsmune aravis
damtsireba da dapataraveba ar mkonia miznad. mjera, rom chemi msjeloba
faktebze da pirad gamotsdilebaze davamkare. sadats dartmunebulia ar
vikavi chems ideashi an argumentebi maklda, ikve avgnishne es. tu rame
arastsored gavige an gavaanalize dzalian xels shemitkobdi, tu pirdapir
im adgilze mimititebdi.
namdvilad ver vxvdebi ratom daaskveni, rom aseti ram, rats kvemotaa
mokvanili, mkonda natkvami chems tserilshi?
> magram es imas ar nishnavs rom matze nakleb vasxit tvini tsignebze.
an kidev am abzatsis kvemot. amaze damatebiti axsnats ki davtsere,
agvnishne, rom piradad shen ar gexebodi da arts imat vints shensavit
nichieria, magram...
> ise ki rac ginda is tkvi xalxs romelsac ganatlebis gamokenebis
> shesadzlebloba ar mieca, imis dzaxili isedac chemze usafudzvlod istavlet
> rac istavleto, da ai chven ra vistsavlet am amerikashi rogor bedavt mis
> gakritikebaso, didad ar eamebat. mec mat shoris.
kvemot igive temaze...
> ragac variantshi umetes shens tanamemamuleebze metad tu gagimartla
> rogorc profesionals usafudzvlo codna gakvt da dzalian echvi mepareba
> tkvens codnashio is ar unda gamoschviodes sheni tserilebidan.
mertsmune namdvilad ar vfikrob ase da vtsuxvar tu chems tserilshi es
gamoschvioda. kvemot mokvanili ki namdvilad ar mitkvams anda
gamomikvania memgoni:
> codoebi ar
> arian gaunatleblad rom gamoikvano xalxi gachirvebis gamo?
romeli xalxi gamovikvane gaunatlebeli dzalian mainteresebs?
> me mgoni unda gavarkviot mashin aris tu ara ak raime skolebi rogorc
> vekua anda komarovi. rom bavshvebi matematikis srul ucodnirobas aacilo.
aris aseti skolebi, nana. magalitad illinoisi shtatshi iko illinois math
and science academy, aseve pennsylvaniis shtatshits gamigia magdagvari
ram. magram, iseve rogorts komarovis skolashi, es moitxovs bavshvebi im
adgilas rom tsxovrobdnen.
> mec magelvebs martali rom vtkva. garda amisa matematikas did pativs
> vcem da ar minda shvili chercheti gamomivides skolis uvargisobis gamo.
> ar vici mxolod sad aris aseti mimartulebis skolebi. visac vkitxe
> umravlesoba meubneba cheer leaderoba da magari sportsmenoba iko chveni
> mizanio. visi mizanic es ar iko mgoni tavis tavis ubedurebad ijdnen.
nana, ar ekitxebi stsor xalxs! tbilisshits me mgoni daaxloebit igive
miznebi hkondat dziritadad umetesobas (dzvelbichoba, da a.sh.)... eger
chemtvis gekitxa da getkodi sxvagvarad, tumtsa mets bevri ar vitsi...
> ise
> tsiladebi ar ician saertod. tsarmoebuls da integrals skolashi ar
> astsavlian da mgoni arc trigonometiras! ase mitxres....
mokled, nana, mag xalxs tavi unda daanebo! :) egeni sul agibneven
gonebas. dzalian kargad stsavloben akaur public skolebshits mag
kvelafers mondomebuli studentebi. martalia high schoolis kritika ukve
davtsere chems zeda tserilshi da exla tavidan rom ar vilaparako uarkofit
mxarezets albat tsalmxrivobas ar damtsameb:)
> kargi batono, gavuziarot azrebi. shen amas mshvenivrad axerxeb. tanac
> simartlis tkmas tu am kveknis mitsastan gastosrebashi ar chamomartmevt
> mashin laparaks azri edzleva.
nana, faktebze dakrdnobit migebul da sakutari gamotsdilebit shedzenil
tsodnasa da simartles veravin dagitsunebs, dzalianats rom moindomos. tu
ki sheneul hipotezas vinme ar daetanxmeba argumentebis ukonlobis gamo,
es sulats ar nishnavs imas rom amerikofilias gabraleben an pirikit!
> ise mgoni head starti welfare xalxisatvis aris ara? anu unda daamtkico
> rom fuli ar gakvs...
sheidzleba sxva shtatshi es sxvanairadaa. saertod rats me vitsi, eg
mxolod dabali shemosavlis mkone ojaxebisatvisaa, rats ra tkma unda
moitsavs da ar shemoisazgvreba welfare-ze mkofi ojaxebit:) sxva
programebitsaa, tu dzalian gainteresebs amovkekav broshurebs da
mogatsodeb detalur informatsias:)
imedia kadnierebad ar chamitvli am pasuxs tsina tserilebivit :)
gultsrfelad,
davit chelidze
l...@mail.utexas.edu
> levan,
> daziritadad vetanxmebi shens natkvams. imas ki did xazs gausvamdi rats
> bolos tkvi:
>
> > Tumza.... es konkretuli magalitebi sulaz araa savaldebulo rom sxva
> > adgilzez amartlebdes.
Stored mag iko mag prazis dateris mozezi, rom radganaz es kvekana
usashvelod didia (es sidide gansxvavdeba imisgan , rasaz Rusebi gulisxmoben
taviavti samshoblos sidideshi), tanaz.... pirvel rigshi imaze gavamaxvileb
kuradgebas rom gamotsdileba da Sauniversiteto praktika.... dzlier
gansxvavdeba ert-urtisgan, profesiis mixedvit, anu tu romel dargs tu
mimartulebas vexebit.
> es kvekana dzalian didia da ise ganzogadoebulad kvelapris dagmoba da
> mitsastan gastsoreba rogorts am jgufis zogiert tsevrs mosdis miugebelia
> chemtsvis.
Ra tkma unda.... ise kvela replika ar tamikitxia jer, magram erti-ori
messagi sakmaod dashorebuli iko imas razez tina terilebshi vsaubrobdit.
Emotsiebi...ak uadgiloa. Dziritadi mizezi kamatisa ki aris is ubralo
ram....rom kvelas (imedia) shvilebi gvezrdeba am kvekanashi...da urigo ar
unda ikos chveni piradi gamotsdilebis tu azrebis gaziareba. Amit
gamotsdilebaz shedzlebisdagvarad gamdidredeba da sheidzleba azriz upro
martali, anu.... saboloo jamshi praktikuli gaxdes. Es zogada.
> CUT... arsebobs
> programebi romlebits stsored aseti fenebis nichieri tsarmomadgenlebis
> dasaxmareblad da tsasakezebladaa shekmnili.
Ki namdvilad arsebobs, tumza detalebshi jer ar gavrkveulvar. UT@Austin-idan
gamovitxov mag Infos.
> zogadad amerikuli sazogadoeba atsxadebs, rom matma saskolo ganatlebis
> reformam kraxi ganitsada. amis ashkara magalitebia tundats bolo tslebis
> zogierti amerikuli filmi.
>
Texasis Gubernatori G. Bush stored mag sakitxze saubrobda am bolo
tveebshi. Igi, advili shesadzlebeli rom USA prezidentadaz mogvevlinos, ase
rom (tu ama tu im kveknis prezidentobis kandidatebs daejereba :)) )
namdvilad moxaruli viknebodi misi ganatlebis reformis rezultatebis shemstre
rom gavxdet.
Pasian skolebze midga sakme, da davdzendi rom.... chemi uprosi vajis skola,
romeliz aris Public da aranair usashvelo xarjebtan ar aris dakavshirebuli,
agiarebuli ikna Austin-is pirvel 5-ulshi reitingis mixedvit, risi sigeliz
G. Bushma piradad gadasza zeremoniaze. Garkveul mshoblebs vitsnob ukve ik,
da ver vitkvi rom isini....miekutvnebian raime gansakutrebul saxeobebs,
chveulebrivi amerikelebi arian. Arz axali Linkolnebi da BMW -ebi dganan
skolis tin. Ise erti-or mercedess ki movkari tvali. :))
>
> isits martalia, rom 'high school' kargad ver amzadebs universitetistvis
> mostsavleebs. mat faktiurad titanuri shroma utsevt universitetis pirvel
> tsels danaklisis shesavsebad da bevri ver udzlebs amas. evropuli
> ganatlebis xalxisatvis es sasatsiloa, radgan pirvel tsels (zogjer or
> tsels) ak dziritadad sabaziso tsodnas ekreba safudzveli (matematika,
> fizika, kimia -- es me teknikuri rats vitsi).
Stored magi agvnishne tina messagshi. Amit me studentis potenzias ki ar
shevexe, aramed imas....rom isini magdagvari araprofesionaluri high-school
sistemis msxverplni arian. Ubralod......10 undergrad Europeli studenti rom
sheadaro 10 USA counterparts.....albat pirveli upro moigebs. Esez zogadi
statistikaa....... da ekrdnoba mxolod chems pirad
dakvirvebas......tanaz..unda agvnishno isisz rom....me vgulisxmob
studentebs romlebiz orientirebulni arian Biotech/ Mol.Biology/ cell biology
/ Biochemistry. Me aravitari shexebis tertili ar makvs .....comp. science
anda tundaz fizikis... major studentebtan da bunebrivia tinagamotkmuli
azri sheidzleba sulaz sapirispiro saxit chamokalibdes mattan mimartebashi.
> magram, vints am datsolas
> udzlebs isini shemdgom tslebshi gatsilebit grmad da magal doneze
> sheistsavlian taviant profesias. ra tkma unda, amerikats savsea iseti
> universitetebit, romlebits ver utseven karg samsaxurs studentebs. magram
> tu im universitetebzea laparaki romlebits ase vtkvat Top50-shi shedian
> -- mashin ak migebuli ganatleba martlats rom sakmaod magal donezea.
Ra tkma unda. Reitnigs did mnishvneloba akvs, da stored magitomaa rom
studentebi, visaz tavidanve ar gaachniat imdeni finansebi rom tavidanve
elitarul Uni-shi istavlos, stavlas itkeben tundaz Community college-shi,
raz gatsilebit iapia, xolo associrebuli degree-s migebis shemdeg, garkveuli
saxelmtipo sesxebit, tavianti mushaobit ...axerxeben bolo 2-3 teli karg
Uni-shi daasrulon...i.e. misi B.S / B.A degree ukve elitaruli ikneba. Es
dzlier kargi da ekonomiuri gzaa.
> exla neba mibodzet vilaparako im mizezebze romeltats aseti mdgomareoba
> gamoitsvia, ra tkma unda es chemi piradi azria:)
>
> rogorts me gavige, 70-ian tslebshi skolashi pragmatuli stsavlidan ase
> vtkvat asotsiatsiur stsavlis modelze gadavidnen. anu, adre tu mostsavles
> moetxoeboda ama tu im faktis detaluri tsodna, exla mxolod arsis tsodnas
> stxoven. es tema chemtan axlos aris radgan, me piradad, aset
> asotsiatsiur tips mivekutvnebi. mgram amas chemtvis bevrjer didi
> tsinaagmdegoba sheukmnia. kargia, rotsa ama tu im movlenis zogad arss
> xvdebi da intuitsiurad azrovneb, magram aseve autsilebelia agchurvili
> iko 'formaluri' tu 'pragmatuli' tsodnit, rata es "asotsiatsiebi"
> konkretul da fizukur formashi moaktsio. akaa chemis azrit dzaglis tavi
> damarxuli, am orive modelis shertskma unda moxdes tsarmatebis
> misagtsevad. chveni, da saertod evropuli ganatleba ufro 'pragmatuli'
> xasiatisaa. amitom vitsit chven ufro kargad esa tu is fakti. samagierod
> me bevrjer davrchenilvar gaognebuli ganatlebuli amerikelis mier ama tu
> im problemis gadachris originalurobit (chems profesiul samkaroshi).
> bevrjer mat ar akvt konkretuli safudzveli ama tu im ideis
> dasasabuteblad, magram intuitsiurad grdznoben taviant simartles. bevr
> shemtxvevashi shedegi dadebitia da shemdgomi analizi am movlenis
> 'pragmatul/formalur' axsnasats poulobs, romelits mholod faktobrivi
> tsodnit sheudzlebeli iko dagenaha.
Stored xedav mag problemas. Europelistvis associrebuli tsodna....
Journalistis zedapirul tsodnas tarmoadgens. Xshirad xumroben kidevaz.....
blah..blah...far and around. Raz albat araa stori xshirad. Metsnieris,
mxedvelobashi makvs technologis (sxva speros ar vexebi aranairad) albat
upro pirovnuli damsaxurebaa rom igi ama-tu im speroshi kia araa
gatvitsnobierebuli, aramed.... sakmaod konkretuli xedvaz gaachnia
monatesave speroshi, anda sxva areashi.
Magram, erti ram unda aginishnos,.... (axal taobebs ar vgulisxmob)...
pragmatuli da zogadi baza, tu satanadod araa shejerebuli..... amas
adamiani mikavs an "journalistis" tsodnamde ( praktikulad araperi) anda
.... uvitroes sub-specializatsiamde. Magalitad BioMed speroshi aset
factebs akvs adgili: gamotsxadebulia vacansia stuff scientist with
experience in aniimal cell membrane receptor's biochemistry. Ik rom
candidatma gaagzavnos tavisi resume, sadaz mititebulia rom mas akvs
mravaltliani gamotsdileba (published) microbial and/or plant cell membrane
receptors biochemistry.... sheidzleba konkurshi ver gavides, miuxedavad
imisa rom experimentis tvalsazrisit aranairi gasxvaveba araa
biochimikosistvis is tsxoveli (adamianis) ujredis membranebze imushavebs tu
pathogenuri microbebisa. metodebi da praktikuli experimentis disign
absoluturad igivea, xolo mat shoris gansxvavebis dadzleva nebismier M.Sc.
unda sheedzloa, xolo Ph.D. -s xom tavistavad.
> sakme isaa, amerikelebi xvdebian, rom sashualo skolis ganatlebis
> sistemashi shetsdoma mouvidat da tsdiloben gamoastsoron. aseve unda
> davinaxot problema chveni skolis ganatlebashits da garkveuli kuradgeba
> gadavitanot ama tu im movlenis arssa da mnishvnelobaze. marto teoremebis
> zepirobashi da faktebis shishvlad tsodnashits araa gamosavali.
Getanxmebi da maze mokled iko moxseniebuli adre.
> rats me akaur universitetebshi momtsons isaa, rom aseti radikalurad
> gansxvavebuli ganatlebis xalxi ertad da produktiulad mushaobs -- ase
> vtkvat, avseben ertmanetis nakls...
Absoluturad storia da pirad magalitsaz movikvan ak. Sharshan, miviget
granti romeliz orma. ertis shexedvit radikalurad gansxavebulma
laboratoriebma taradgina ertad. Chveni Lab, romeliz Lipid-Protein
biochemisty-s exeba...da meore.....Inginrebis - Material Sciences. Rogorz
Zhvanetsky itkoda xolme : "kakaya svyaz" :)) Kartulad mas upro zustad
gamoxataven chveni bolo mepis saxelis moshveliebit. :)) (sorry).
Grantis sponsoria FBI da kidev 2 misdagvari saagento...da igi exeba
(narkotrafikantebma da sxva juris avazakebma tvalebi da kurebi daxuchet
:)) ) titis anabechdebis axali gatsilebit upro sensitiuri metodebis
ganvitarebas. Inginrebi.... amushaveben specialur alumin/rkinis pxvnils
(microflake) romeliz micronis siskit paravs latentur fingerprints,
xolo.... Lipid reserach lab-shi ki midis im titidan gamokopili lipidebis
da aminomjavebis identificatsia romeliz im flakes mibmeba da mas
fluorescentulad vizualurs xdis tveebis shemdegaz, ara akvs mnishvneloba
anabechdi priala zedapirze iko datovebuli, kagaldze tu plastikur
absorbentze.
Rogorz xedav.... ori dzlier dashorebuli lab midis ert, konkretul,
integrirebul praktikul azramde, romeliz unariani agmochnda rom mraval
atasiani granti miego.
Sheidzleba zogi ram gamomrcha tina messagebidan, magram es iko chemi piradi
azri akaur tu ikaur doneze, raz....aravitar shemtxvevashi ar emorchileba
generalizatsias....da es upro konkretuli movlenebis tu pirobebis shedegia.
L. Darjania