Final words
Mr. Zhong
|> Mr Zhong,
|> I have been waiting for your reply to my quiz for 2days. At first I
|> think you are busy for your exam and have no time to reply. But I just see
|> your new posting in the net, verifying your continue existence. So I will give
|> you 2 more days to answer my quiz. A total of 4+ days for 25 short questions,
|> fair enough! I will post the answer at the end of the dead line. If you don't
|> reply, I think it is a bit hard for most netters to believe in your claim as
|> a HK people. Am I right?
|>
|> LING
Unbelievably this challenge has been repeated again and again. I have already
posted something in Cantonese and will not do so again. As for my claim to be
a HK people, let me refresh everyone as to the context of this:
Many, many weeks ago a certain poster made rude remarks and said without even
knowing that I have never even been to HK and cannot even speak the Cantonese.
Since this was a blantant lie, I replied AS AN ASIDE that I was in fact a HK
"native" and spoke Cantonese. Then a second time someone mentioned that I was
not a native speaker of Mandarin and might not be from the mainland and so I
reminded that poster what I had said that several weeks ago. I am sorry for
being so undisciplined and falling for the flame-baiting of that poster. I did
not realize that so many people would take me to task for this and would have
said nothing or not used the word "native" which apparently has much more
stronger connotations to people on this net than I ever realized.
NEVER have I posted any article saying I was expert in HK affairs and have
lived in HK for long time and know all about HK. Never have I posted an
article where the credentials of being a HK "native" was necessary and never
have I stated this except in those two instances only. The opinions that I
have expressed were never ones where being an expert of HK affairs was implied
or necessary. There are grounds me claiming to be a "native" but I have
admitted that I am not the kind of native that have lived there almost all my
life and know HK inside out, etc.
As I had said in an earlier posting, I last set foot in HK in 1979. I do not
remember too much about HK as its been a while and cannot answer too many
questions about it especially if it is recent changes.
I have tried to post in as flame-free and as civilized as possible but
apparently this was not the case so I apologize. I have tried to express my
viewpoints only but have received much personal insult and flames not even in
response to anything I said in circumstances which were totally unwarranted.
However, there were voices of reason that tried to express their opinions as
well in a calm rational way and these people I have greatest respect for.
Let me just make certain things clear. With regards to HongKong-->Xianggang,
since I now use exclusively Mandarin, I am only calling the city by its
MANDARIN CHINESE name just as Cantonese speakers say Hearng Korng and
Zhejiangese and Fujianese and Shanghainese call it differently. Saying
Xianggang is a "flame" is like saying Germany is a flame because the name is
really Deutschland. Yes, I know Hong Kong is the official ENGLISH name for now.
With regards to eliminating Xiangganghua, I never looked favorably on it with
all its slangs and foul words, etc. When I first learned it, I did not look
upon it highly. But perhaps these are not such a central
part of Xiangganghua as I had perceived it. I do not doubt that among the high
educated and highly cultured, Xiangganghua or Guangdonghua is a beautiful
language worthy of preservation. But for the greater bonding and closer ties
we should learn the putonghua as well. If you visit Wenzhou, Zhejiang or
Fuzhou, Fujian or Shanghai you will see that people on the streets and at home
have continue to use their provincial dialects in everyday lives but know
Mandarin as a second language (sometimes not perfectly).
With regards to my "pro-CCP" stands, I fully agree with you that the CCP has
made many disastrous mistakes and have caused much unnecessary hardships that I
know all too well. I too join all of you that want to see a new properous more
free and democratic China. Maybe CCP has outlived its usefulness and cannot
lead the way, who knows??? Also such a transition isn't a simple matter and I
don't want to discuss this here. The peasants and the common people there are
very resentful of the rampant corruption of the current CCP but realize that
right now there is no alternative and has tried to do its best toward
reforming "socialism with Chinese characteristics."
The CCP that I admired is the CCP of old, the idealistic and heroic
revolutionary CCP that tried to change and reform the old feudal Chinese way
of life, the one that tried to reach out to the common peasant people, not
the CCP of later decades, and I have very mixed feelings about CCP of today
as well as the democracy movement, etc. The feelings of the peasants and
common people toward CCP is very complex and depends on their background,
status, and age.
Fellow (humor me) HK people, those who have lost touch with the "true" Chinese
(i.e. nong2min2), try to learn about the way of life and their thoughts about
China, don't take my word for it. At the same time, mainlanders should try to
understand the HK affairs and culture and not argue blindly as well. The
re-unification will happen and we must try to avoid the Yugoslav nightmare.
I have been a reader of SCHK for a long time and have posted on occasion but
only in the past couple of weeks have I gotten so involved. I think I have
posted enough and since there are so many hostile voices in SCHK against me, I
think it must be time to disappear again but perhaps I might post occasionally.
I will continue to read SCHK from time to time.
Whatever your viewpoints, pro-CCP, anti-CCP, pro-KMT, anti-KMT, pro-Patten,
anti-Patten, pro-democracy, anti-democracy, pro-Taiwan independence, anti, etc.
etc. etc. if you are not a HanJian and truly care about the well being of
Chinese everywhere you will always have my respect and support. The past is
the past. We should not forget it but should not live in the past but look to
the future.
Take care everyone, God bless (where appropriate), and may the future of the
Chinese people and the Chinese nation(s) be as bright as the rising sun.
Mr. Zhong
24/04/1993
S.C.Ling
>In article <C5zwo...@news.cso.uiuc.eith du>, dpi...@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>|> Mr Zhong,
>|> I have been waiting for your reply to my quiz for 2days. At first I
>|> think you are busy for your exam and have no time to reply. But I just see
>|> your new posting in the net, verifying your continue existence. So I will give
>|> you 2 more days to answer my quiz. A total of 4+ days for 25 short questions,
>|> fair enough! I will post the answer at the end of the dead line. If you don't
>|> reply, I think it is a bit hard for most netters to believe in your claim as
>|> a HK people. Am I right?
>|>
>|> LING
>Unbelievably this challenge has been repeated again and again. I have already
>posted something in Cantonese and will not do so again. As for my claim to be
>a HK people, let me refresh everyone as to the context of this:
Have you really read my quiz? I've posted it only once! And there is
absolutely NO frame and / or dirty language in it. Let me remind you that
posting something in Cantonese, in my opinion, is definitely NOT a proof. I
believe you can speak English quite well, but that doesn't mean you are an
English. Am I right? If you can answer all/most of the little things I
write in the quiz, then it guess it is rather unlikely that you have never
live in HK.
>Many, many weeks ago a certain poster made rude remarks and said without even
>knowing that I have never even been to HK and cannot even speak the Cantonese.
Don't try to avoid the question. I'm new to this news-group. I'm not sure
what happens to you guys before. Those are NOT my remarks.
>NEVER have I posted any article saying I was expert in HK affairs and have
>lived in HK for long time and know all about HK. Never have I posted an
>article where the credentials of being a HK "native" was necessary and never
>have I stated this except in those two instances only. The opinions that I
>have expressed were never ones where being an expert of HK affairs was implied
>or necessary. There are grounds me claiming to be a "native" but I have
>admitted that I am not the kind of native that have lived there almost all my
>life and know HK inside out, etc.
Sorry, I have absolutely NO interest in your political view-point. I
will not say agree or disagree on that. What I interest is you claim to have
lived in HK. And I want to verify that since your point of view on a lot of
issues are quite different from most of the HK people. That's all!
>As I had said in an earlier posting, I last set foot in HK in 1979. I do not
>remember too much about HK as its been a while and cannot answer too many
>questions about it especially if it is recent changes.
Sorry, I missed that particular posting.
But it seems to me that your initial posting have mislead a lot of
people in the net. Dear netters, we have learned a lesson: beware of all the
miss-leading words in the net. They causes confussion and mis-understandings
between people.
Finally, if you don't what to answer the test, fine. I'm a little bit
upset by that because what I wanted to find out may never been done. It also
reminds me a true story a few years ago: there is a man named "Yen Sun" (sorry
if I mis-spell it) who claimed to be a special man having a lot of special
ability that normal people didn't have (called "Dak Yee Kung Lung"). However,
he never appears in front of a scientific test to verify that. Thus
unfortunately, we cannot tell if he really processes special ability and power
or not.
I still strongly encourage you to try the test. And I will post the
answer out tomorrow. Hope you can enjoy it.
Best Wishes,
LING
Yuk Lun Chan
not mean anything. Anyone having a Hong Kong published Chinese Dictionary
can do that. If I write something in Cantonese then typed in PinYin. Does
that mean I am a Pekingese?
Yuk