Let's analyze, who is xxxxxxxxxxxxx in this cable leak.
Hmong-Lao
Raws li kuv saib cov xxxxxxxxxxxx uas luag hais hauv no mas tsis yog
tib tug neeg xwb nawb. Nws muaj ntau ntau leej. Tej qhov refers rau
tus witness, tej qhov refers rau tus reporter, tej qhov refers rau tus
officer, tej qhov ho refer rau tus defender. Yog li ntawd, peb tsis
txhob lam tau lam muab ntaus nqi hais tias yog tus no los tus tod
nawb.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/04/22/112655/cable-hmong-leader-provides-insights.html#ixzz1KJQEK4qY
Nyob rau paragraph kawg nkaus, luag thiaj tso ib qhov "comment" uas
yog Hmong ib tug leader qhov comment xwb. Nej txawm xav tau hais tias
nws yog leej twg los cia tuaj hauv nruav siab od, vim tej no yog lus
plaub lus ntug. Leej twg lam tau lam tis npe rau cov xxxxxxxxxxxx no
ces leej twg ris nawb.
Kuv xav hais tias peb ib txhia totaub yuam kev hais tias txhua txhua
tus xxxxxxxxxxxx no ces puav leej yog tus xxxxxxxxxxx nyob rau
paragraph kawg lawm. Tabsis tsis yog li ntawd od. Nej ho nrog kuv
ntsuam xyuas ib nqe zujzus saib nawb, seb puas yog li kuv hais thiab.
HL
Hmong-Lao
Qhov report hais tias GVP lawv raug ntes: 06/04/2007
Qhov Cable leak no dated: 06/10 -11//2007
Born2beMhong
HL,
tsi xav sib cam lawm--
tej no, tsua yog wikileak muab tau li cas paub li ntawd xwb. txog
txij luag paub txhua tsav txhua yam zoo npaum li no mas...xyov tom
ntej, tom qab cov informaiton no twb npaum li cas lawm luag thiaj li
tham tau zoo npaum li no mas mog os.
ua tsaug,
Born
Zab
Zoo siab koj muab tej no los rau peb tham pem ua si. kuv yeej paub
tias koj pab hlub thiab txhawj xeeb txog koj tus leader nawb, kuv los
yeej xav tsis tag li thiab.
Nws yeej yog li koj hais, nws muaj coob tshaj ib tug ntawm pab neeg
taug xaiv no, tab sis luag tsuas hais tus coj npe xwb, dua li lwm cov
ces luag hais tuas contacts no xwb nawb. Thiab cov xov xwm no mas tsis
yog muaj ob peb nyuag qho no xwb ov, nws muaj ua phab ua pheev tab sis
tsis tau tshwm tuaj xwb ov.
Raws li kuv pom xwb mas, tus neeg taug xaiv no twb muab xov rau luag
cov no los ntev lawm nawb, raws li qhov report hais ces twb yog puag
thaum lub april lawm ov, qhov no mas tej zaum tsuas yog cov tom qab
xwb ov, tej zaum nws yeej muaj cov ua ntej tshaj uas tseem tsis tau
cover nawb.
Ob daim report no mas yog xa viascam tuaj xwb ov, hos cov nyob sab
meskas no rau fbi, police thiab state deparment, cia mas tej zaum lawv
tseem muaj lawv ib co thiab nawb. Qhov tso taw mas yog supposedly
ntawm cov embasssy xwb ov.
Yeej yog li koj hais, nws muaj coob coob tus ua hauj lwm ua ke nawb,
tab sis pab neeg xa xov tawm no tus thawj coj mas tsuas muaj ib tug
xwb ov, thiab tseem koom tes nrog chaofa, tab sis thaum kawg ho rov
muab caubfab lov caj dab lov dua kiag thiab no nawb. cov xxxx no mas
tsis yog fbi tso nawb, nws yog wikileaks ua xwb ov, yog koj xav paub
what is behind cov xxxx ntawv mas mus nqa daim report tom fbi thiab
state department los yog sau ntawv mus rau wikileaks ces wikileaks mam
li xa tuaj rau koj saib nawb.
amen
On Apr 29, 4:11 pm, Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
cwjmem
> Cov phoojywg,
> Raws li kuv saib cov xxxxxxxxxxxx uas luag hais hauv no mas tsis yog
> tib tug neeg xwb nawb. Nws muaj ntau ntau leej. Tej qhov refers rau
> tus witness, tej qhov refers rau tus reporter, tej qhov refers rau tus
> officer, tej qhov ho refer rau tus defender. Yog li ntawd, peb tsis
> txhob lam tau lam muab ntaus nqi hais tias yog tus no los tus tod
> nawb.
>
>
> Nyob rau paragraph kawg nkaus, luag thiaj tso ib qhov "comment" uas
> yog Hmong ib tug leader qhov comment xwb. Nej txawm xav tau hais tias
> nws yog leej twg los cia tuaj hauv nruav siab od, vim tej no yog lus
> plaub lus ntug. Leej twg lam tau lam tis npe rau cov xxxxxxxxxxxx no
> ces leej twg ris nawb.
>
> Kuv xav hais tias peb ib txhia totaub yuam kev hais tias txhua txhua
> tus xxxxxxxxxxxx no ces puav leej yog tus xxxxxxxxxxx nyob rau
> paragraph kawg lawm. Tabsis tsis yog li ntawd od. Nej ho nrog kuv
> ntsuam xyuas ib nqe zujzus saib nawb, seb puas yog li kuv hais thiab.
>
> HL
Yooj yim heev. Wikileak twb qhia tus neeg no cov "background" tag
lawm. Hmoob yeej tsis muaj coob. Saib kiag xwb ces yeej twv tau hais
tias tus ua Hmoob no yog leej twg lawm. Tshuav sawv daws paub hais
tias tus neeg no muaj ib SIAB NYOO, TUA TAU HMOOB no xwb ces tau lawm.
cwjmem
Yog lawm. Thaub no muaj lub siab phem heev rau peb haiv Hmoob. Yam
nws ua yuav rov los tsim txom nws. Blooj tsawb tsis yog buag, mab
tsis yog Hmoob kwv luag. Cia nws ua ywj nws lub siab seb nws yuav mus
txog qhov twg!
Koj saib seb KUAM VWJ, ua blog liab muab nws tsa ua ib tug DEV raw
nqaaij rau blog, nws tua ntau leej Hmoob uas tsis txaum dab tsi, thaum
kawg Blog laib muab nws tua lawm, thiab muab nws tus tub mus kaw
lawm.
On Apr 29, 8:59 pm, Zab <zab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> cwjmem aws
>
> tej no ces tus me nyuam 9 xyoo twb paub txog lawm tias yog leej twg
> lawm los mas. Tsuas yog pab neeg no yuav siv lawv tej lus mos lus muag
> los ntxhias seb cov ruam puas ntseeg lawv hais tias yog meskas siab
> phem es lam ua no kom hmoob tawg no xwb. tsis ntev yav tom ntej ces
> nplog liab muab cov uas nplog liab tso tawm thiab ces haj yam muaj
> ceem lau, thaum no ces luag muab hmoob txo kom poob ib theem qis tshaj
> qhov qub lwm thiab lau.
>
> ua li dr fajkhaum hais os, yuav tsum muaj li no es thiaj li lim tau
> cov neeg siab phem tawm es cov neeg ncaj zoo thiaj li tsis muaj teeb
> meem ntau os.
>
> tej wikileaks tso tawm no mas tsuas yog los ntawm cov xov lawv xa rau
> tim viascam xwb, hos cov lawv xa rau sab meskas no mas tseem nyob
> secret xwb, tsis tau muaj leej twg paub li nawb, tej zaum tseem yuav
> ntau tshaj thiab ov.
>
> qhov report lawv sau ces twb yog los puag thaum lub 4 hlis ntuj lawm,
> tej zaum tseem muaj cov ntxov ntev los tshaj ntawv lawm thiab.
>
> amen
Zab
thiaj li tsim tsis tau ab tsi, ua tsis tau ab tsi coj los siv li los
mas. Vim peb npav qhov yooj yim, qhov tau noj sai xwb peb tsis xav
txog qhov noj ntev ntev li peb ntov ntoo noj lub ntsis thiab cov txiv
xwb ne, peb twb tsis cog nto es de lub txiv noj xwb hos peb caum noj
caum haus xwb ne ces tus twg los thiaj li sib tw nqa nyiaj mus rau vp
seb puas tau tus nom loj, thaum mus tsis taus lawm ces ho sib tw nqa
nyiaj mus rau nplog liab seb ho puas tau tus nom loj xwb. Yog nqa
nyiaj rau vp noj thiab nqa nyiaj rau nplog liab noj no ntse kuv yuav
yeem nqa rau vp noj zoo dua pob?
Txawm li cas los kav liam, peb cov hluas tam sim no tsis txhob coj li
yav tag los lawm es yuav tau pauv kom haum teb chaws coj kom zoo muab
txiaj ntsim rau tus neeg zoo tus neeg pab hmoob mas peb thiaj li yuav
mus tau lawm yav tom ntej. Tsis txhob ntsaw ntsaw nom es ua li cov
doctors tshiab tam sim no es yuav muab yus tsa ua president,vice
president, ceo, treasure ces yuam kom neeg cia li yuav li yus hais ua
li yus hais hnav ris hnav tso li yus hais no mas tsis yog lawm. Peb
yuav tsum cia tug neeg muaj txiaj ntsim txawm ntse uas yog pej xeem
xaiv pom zoo los coj xwb mas thiaj li zoo rau sawv daws.
amen
Hmong-Lao
Neb, kuv thiab txua leej yeej muaj tib txoj kev ntshaw, peb txoj kev
ntshaw yog xav kom Hmoob sibhaum xeeb. Kuv xav kom peb ua twb zoo rov
mus nyem qhov cable no zoo zoo thiab kom totaub. Tsis yog lam tau lam
draw conclusion hais tias tej no yog povtahwj tim khawv qhia hais tias
tus ub tus no yog traitor. Yog peb tsis ua twb zoo nyeem kom nkag
siab, tsis xav kom thoob, tsis taug kom zoo, tsis xyuas kom meej, peb
yuav tsis pom luag lub nrig zais tom nrabqaum.
PY Born2,
Yog koj nkag siab lawm ces zoo; wb tsis thas sib cam ntxiv lawm.
HL
cwjmem
> PY cwjmem & Zab,
> Neb, kuv thiab txua leej yeej muaj tib txoj kev ntshaw, peb txoj kev
> ntshaw yog xav kom Hmoob sibhaum xeeb. Kuv xav kom peb ua twb zoo rov
> mus nyem qhov cable no zoo zoo thiab kom totaub. Tsis yog lam tau lam
> draw conclusion hais tias tej no yog povtahwj tim khawv qhia hais tias
> tus ub tus no yog traitor. Yog peb tsis ua twb zoo nyeem kom nkag
> siab, tsis xav kom thoob, tsis taug kom zoo, tsis xyuas kom meej, peb
> yuav tsis pom luag lub nrig zais tom nrabqaum.
HL,
Yog lawm. Qhov peb Hmoob sawv daws feem coob li koj, kuv, Zab, Born
theiab lwm tus NTHAW tsaj plaws yog kev sib HAUM XEEB, ib tug hwm ib
tug, ua neej raws txoj cai (basic human right law) ntawm. Peb Hmoob
tau raug dag los tau ntau tiam, peb cov neeg tau raug tua, raug ntes,
los txog niaj hnub no. Qhov peb sib cam tag zog nyob rau hauv no, yog
los pab peb Hmoob kom muaj kev ncaj ncees rau peb Hmoob taug.
Qhov Wikileasks no, tsis tuav be los yeej paub tseeb tseeb lawm hais
tias, tus neeg no rov taw tuam ntuj lawm. Yog tsis yog nyob rau
America no, ces 12 tug neeg ua raug ntes ntawm yeej tsis muaj txoj sia
nyob, los yog kaw tsis muaj Hnub tawm li. Tej no, yog Hmoob yuav los
COJ Hmoob, yuav tshum qib ke lug hais qhia pej xeem Hmoob (public
debates), txhob muab ZAIS tuaj tom qab lawm.
Lub caij no, peb Hmoob NTSE sib xws lawm. Ib tug yuav dag tsis tau ib
tug nyob rau teb chaws MEKA no, tab sis cov nyob rau sab ntuj sab tim
qub tsis tau kawm txog, tsis tau pom txog, tsis tau paub txog es tseem
muaj cov neeg SAIB NYOO li no los siv lawv, los ntxias lawv los ua
chaw tiag taw no mas tsis yog kiag li lawm.
Hmoob raug Blog liab muab raw tua cuag li raws tsiaj tua, ua cas tsis
muaj tus mus cheem kom blog liab tsum? Cov Hmoob mus ua teb lawm, es
ploj lawm cas tsis kom blog liab taug xov? Tiv thaiv kom peb Hmoob
dim ntawm kev quab yuam, caij tsuj uas tsis raws txoj cai nyob rau lub
teb chaws ntawm?
Lub caij no, peb yuav tsum txob muab neeg saib li Hmoob hais "MUAB DEJ
SAIB UA NTU, MUAB NEEG SAIB UA PHLU" Ua li no yuav "encourage
corruption" mus ntau lawm yav tom ntej no ntag. Cia nyuj ua rau Nyuj
Thauj, nees ua rau ness ris, leej twg ua yuam cai yuav raug rau txim,
li no Hmoob lub neej thiaj yuav vam meej mus.
Yang Dao, koj, kuv , Zab, thiab lwm tus yeej ntse ib yam, tab sis tus
yuav los CAWM Hmoob muaj tsawg, ho tus yuav los RHUAV hmoob muaj
coob.
Qhov Hmoob tsis tau taub mas yog hais tias tug neeg twg tau ib daim
"DEGREE" thiab nws ua hauj lwm muaj POSITION lawm ces tus ntawm yuav
NTSE dua, qhov tseeb tsis yog li ntawm. Cov neeg no twb tsis NTSE baum
li peb cov niam thiab txiv uas hais ib LO ua sawv daws YUAV. Kawm
tiav (degreed person) yog kawm los nrhiav noj nrhiav haus xwb, qhov
yuav los coj Hmoob mas tsis lam muaj coob.
Hmong-Lao
Ua ntej luag muab qhov cable no tshem tawm hauv intenet, cia kuv muab
copy and paste thiab coj los sib txuas es peb mam li analyze ib nqe
zuj zus.
Note: Hauv qab no yog copy and paste xwb.
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date: 6/11/2007 10:55
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S E C R E T VIENTIANE 000487
SIPDIS
NOFORN
SIPDIS
BANGKOK FOR LEGATT
BANGKOK FOR RSO
STATE FOR EAP/MLS (E. BESTIC)
STATE FOR DS/IP/ITA (G. MOODY)
STATE FOR DS/IP/EAP
E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/10/2017
TAGS: ASEC, LA, PGOV, PREL, PTER
SUBJECT: HMONG-AMERICAN LEADER PROVIDES INSIGHTS INTO COUP PLOT, ASKS
FOR PROTECTION
Classified By: Charge d'affaires, a.i. Mary Grace McGeehan for reasons
1.4 (b) and (d).
1. (S) Summary: The politics of the Hmong communtiies in both Laos and
the United States are extremely complex. As a result, a conversation
with even a well educated Hmong (or Hmong-American) leader involves
exaggeration and guess work and often raises more questions than it
provides answers. Nevertheless, a recent conversation with Hmong-
American leader XXXXXXXXXXXXraises several issues that may be worth
pursuing. XXXXXXXXXXXX also asks for police/FBI protection before
agreeing to address a Hmong-American gathering in Fresno, California.
Since he may be in possesison of important, time-sensitive information
and seems to be willing to pass a positive message -- that Hmong-
American support for attempts to destabilize the Lao Government
violates U.S. laws -- the FBI may have interest in contacting him, and
the Department may have an interest in supporting the dissemination of
this message. XXXXXXXXXXXX asks the Department to write letters
directly to Hmong groups in the United States to repeat this message.
Please see our action requests in paragraph 13. End summary.
The Chao Fa ----------
2. (S) A/DCM met with noted Hmong-American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX
(strictly protect) three times during the week of the arrest of Hmong-
American conspirators by the U.S. DOJ. XXXXXXXXXXXX, well known within
the Hmong-American community XXXXXXXXXXXX in the United States
XXXXXXXXXXXX, asked that Embassy Bangkok pursue an investigation into
an investment in a company in Thailand that the Chao Fa group may be
using to set up a base of operations to help support its activities in
Laos.
3. (S) We understand the Chao Fa to be a group, originally set up in
1917 or so, espousing a more "pure" Hmong tradition, and a tradition
more based on magic and spirits than that of the Neo Hom group led by
General Vang Pao. The Chao Fa and Neo Hom have led very separate
movements in opposition to the Government of Laos (GOL) over the
years. Thus we view with concern reports from XXXXXXXXXXXXand
elsewhere that the Chao Fa and Neo Hom may have started cooperating
since the beginning of this year.
4. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXXreported a new sense of confidence on the part of
the Chao Fa since the Presidency of the "Unrepresented Nations and
Peoples Organization" (UNPO) accepted the Hmong Chao Fa Federated
State as a member during a UNPO meeting held at the European
Parliament in Brussels February 1-3. The "state" envisioned for the
Chao Fa appears to include 320,00 Hmong people living on approximately
50,000 square kilometers north of Vientiane -- all or parts of
Houaphan, Xieng Khouang, and Sayaboury Provinces and the city of Luang
Prabang. (Note: The political front of the Chao Fa is apparently the
World Hmong People's Congress (WHPC) headquartered in New York City.)
5. (S) According to XXXXXXXXXXXX, Chao Fa recruiters visited
California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan at the end of March and
in early April looking for volunteers and promising that, now that the
Hmong are recognized by UNPO, the USG will help them build a Hmong
Nation in Laos. Apparently as part of this new level of confidence,
earlier this year the Chao Fa invested in a Chinese company named
"Borisat Wang Jing" ("Wang Jing Company") located in Chiang Saen in
Chiang Rai Province in Thailand. The Chao Fa plan to use this company
as a base from which they can enter Laos and undertake activities.
XXXXXXXXXXXXnoted that the current Chao Fa leader is Pa Kao Moun, who
fled from Laos to Thailand after the change of government in Laos in
1975. Pa Kao Moun has remained in Thailand since 1975 and is now
roughly 60 years old. (Note: his name would indicate he is a close
relative of former Chao Fa leader Pa Kao Her who was assassinated in
late 2002.) XXXXXXXXXXXXhas heard that the Chao Fa leaders do not see
the recent arrests of General Vang Pao and his group to have any
implications for them or their future activities.
Neo Hom (United Front) ---------------------
6. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX indicated that two leaders of General Vang Pao's
Neo Hom organization in Thailand are XXXXXXXXXXXXand XXXXXXXXXXXX,
both of whom have homes (apparently in northern Thailand) that can be
used as bases of operation for the Neo Hom. In addition, XXXXXXXXXXXX
identified a "Mr. Bird" in Chiangmai, Thailand, as having worked with
General Vang Pao for many years. Mr. Bird, whose mother is Thai and
father American, is head of a Hmong Chao Khao Foundation (Hmong
Mountain People Foundation) based in Chiangmai.
7. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXXpassed along a rumor he had been told by a Hmong
contact from Thailand (who had reportedly been told in turn by a Thai
undercover officer) that there are as many as 500 Hmong-Americans
currently in Thailand, apparently as part of planned Neo Hom
operations. When pressed, XXXXXXXXXXXX admitted the number was
probably exaggerated but judged that there were probably at least 20
operatives. XXXXXXXXXXXX expressed particular concern about being told
by his own contacts two days earlier that, of the 8200 Hmong at the
Huay Nam Khao holding camp in Thailand's Petchabun Province, as many
as 1000 were prepared to cross back into Laos to (re)join the
insurgency. Asked how the Neo Hom could be operating with such
apparent impunity, XXXXXXXXXXXX said his contacts report regular
payments to Thai military officers at the level of colonel and
general.
A Third Group ------------
8. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX mentioned to A/DCM for the first time that there
is a third Hmong insurgent group which had broken off from the Chao Fa
movement after the October 2002 assassination of Pa Kao Her.
XXXXXXXXXXXX described this very small Thai-based group as being led
by former Pa Kao Her secretary general Teng Yang.
SIPDIS Playing Rough ------------
9. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX expressed strong concern about methods being used
by both Chao Fa and Neo Hom in the last few months. He referred to Neo
Hom activists who visited the Huay Nam Khao holding camp in February
and recruited ten Chao Fa supporters to return to Laos on a scouting
mission. After spending two weeks in Laos, they reportedly returned to
Huay Nam Khao to tell the activists there was no chance the general
Hmong population in Laos would support an uprising -too many had
achieved economic or political success (with more Hmong now in
government positions than had been the case in 1975 -- ranging from
Politburo Member Madame Pany Yathorthou to cabinet members, governors,
deputy governors, mayors etc.). The activists told the ten scouts they
all needed to go to Bangkok to report this -- and the ten have not
been seen since.
10. (S) XXXXXXXXXXX Xalso mentioned another contact in Laos who called
him in the United States in April saying Chao Fa operatives had
visited his home to recruit him to help ambush busses. They left him
40 "files" of information to be passed on to other likely supporters.
He called XXXXXXXXXXXXto ask what to do. XXXXXXXXXXXX told him to burn
the files and avoid further contact with the Chao Fa operatives. When
XXXXXXXXXXXX arrived in Laos last week, he called the contact only to
find his number had been disconnected, and the contact is nowhere to
be found.
Direct Mail ----------
11. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX assured A/DCM that, before leaving on this trip
to Laos, he had stopped in Fresno and appeared on a local Hmong radio
program XXXXXXXXXXXX to tell the audience (before the arrests of the
General Vang Pao group) that actions against the GOL violated U.S.
laws. He believes it important for the Department of State to send
letters to all major Hmong organizations in the United States to
repeat this message to them directly. XXXXXXXXXXXX remembered former
EAP DAS Matt Daley delivering this message to a conference of Hmong
Americans in 2004 with great impact. XXXXXXXXXXXX pointed out he
appeared on radio programs and at Hmong-American gatherings after this
conference to help repeat Mr. Daley's message.
Fresno -----
12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
be in USG interests.
Action Requests --------------
13. (S) We recommend that the Department take the following actions:
a) instruct Embassy Bangkok to coordinate with Thai authorities to
check on the company named in para 5 (Borisat Wang Jing) and the
several Hmong leaders currently living in Thailand mentioned in paras
5, 6, and 8. b) consider the proposal for letters from the Department
to the main Hmong organizations in the United States delivering the
message stated by EAP DAS Daley in 2004: that support of attempts to
overthrow the GOL violate U.S. laws. c) pass on to the FBI
XXXXXXXXXXXX's request for protection if he addresses a gathering of
Hmong Americans in Fresno California, a central location for General
Vang Pao supporters. XXXXXXXXXXXXmay be reached at phone number:
(XXXXXXXXXXXX. XXXXXXXXXXXX may be able to provide valuable
information to the FBI regarding the inner workings of these Hmong
organizations which may assist the ongoing FBI investigation(s).
COMMENT ------
14. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXXknows all of these players well -- he was a
political advisor to General Vang Pao before 1975 and was briefly a
senior official in the Neo Hom organization in the early 1980s before
he broke with Neo Hom over tactics. It is of course likely that he is
attempting a balancing act: using this opportunity to enhance his
position within the Hmong-American community and furthering his own
personal agenda while also attempting to keep the Hmong-American
community within the confines of U.S. law. Nonetheless, the message he
seems willing to deliver is a message we need repeated in the Hmong-
American community, so the Embassy recommends the Department follow up
on his information and suggestions.
MCGEEHAN
=======================CABLE ENDS============================
sinwung
>
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Cov phoojywg,
Nej muab cov lus hauv xov toojcua pheejxeeb los hmloo ua ke mrog cov
lus no ces ....tus # super lotto tawm lawm los mas...
Saib nws puas yuav rov file Defamation rua xwb ????? yav tag los mas
yawg yeej file defameation rau coob tus Hmoob lawm..cia saib zaum no
ho yuav ua li cas.
Zab
tag tib si los mas. nej rov mus mloog cov lus qub thaum lub sij hawm
daim report hais no ces nej yeej pom yeej paub li sinwung hais los
mas. tej lus nyob rau daim report no los yeej tswm newspaper thib si
thiab, tsis tag li, tom yang wameng cov confrence gathering los yeej
muaj nyob rau hauv tib si, cov kwv tij tov los yeej paub tej no tib
si.
amen
> ...
>
> read more »
Hmong-Lao
Kuv muab analyze li nram no es nej ho nrog kuv xav seb puas yog li
ntawd. Qhov twg tsis yog no nej ho tawm nej li tswvyim rau thiab.
Note: Kuv ntxiv (1), (2), etc... rau txhua txhua lo XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
kom peb paub hais tias peb hais txog lo twg.
> 1. (S) Summary: The politics of the Hmong communtiies in both Laos and
> the United States are extremely complex. As a result, a conversation
> with even a well educated Hmong (or Hmong-American) leader involves
> exaggeration and guess work and often raises more questions than it
> provides answers. Nevertheless, a recent conversation with Hmong-
> American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (1) raises several issues that may be worth
> pursuing. XXXXXXXXXXXX (2) also asks for police/FBI protection before
> agreeing to address a Hmong-American gathering in Fresno, California.
> Since he may be in possesison of important, time-sensitive information
> and seems to be willing to pass a positive message -- that Hmong-
> American support for attempts to destabilize the Lao Government
> violates U.S. laws -- the FBI may have interest in contacting him, and
> the Department may have an interest in supporting the dissemination of
> this message. XXXXXXXXXXXX (3) asks the Department to write letters
> directly to Hmong groups in the United States to repeat this message.
> Please see our action requests in paragraph 13. End summary.
>
1. Thawj qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX no ces yeej referred rau tus Hmoob
leader uas tsab ntawv no hais txog lawm.
2. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 2 no os yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
3. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 3 no yuav tsis yog tus leader lawm.
Possible yog LPDR government lossis lwm yam lawm.
> The Chao Fa ----------
> 2. (S) A/DCM met with noted Hmong-American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (4)
> (strictly protect) three times during the week of the arrest of Hmong-
> American conspirators by the U.S. DOJ. XXXXXXXXXXXX (5), well known within
> the Hmong-American community XXXXXXXXXXXX (6) in the United States
> XXXXXXXXXXXX (7), asked that Embassy Bangkok pursue an investigation into
> an investment in a company in Thailand that the Chao Fa group may be
> using to set up a base of operations to help support its activities in
> Laos.
>
4. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 4 no os yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
5. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 5 no mas tsis paub tseeb tias yog leej twg
lossis yog dabtsi lawm.
6. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 6 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.
7. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 7 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.
> 3. (S) We understand the Chao Fa to be a group, originally set up in
> 1917 or so, espousing a more "pure" Hmong tradition, and a tradition
> more based on magic and spirits than that of the Neo Hom group led by
> General Vang Pao. The Chao Fa and Neo Hom have led very separate
> movements in opposition to the Government of Laos (GOL) over the
> years. Thus we view with concern reports from XXXXXXXXXXXX (8) and
> elsewhere that the Chao Fa and Neo Hom may have started cooperating
> since the beginning of this year.
>
8. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 8 no tsis yog npe neeg lawm. Nws referred
rau ib qov chaw lossis ib lub tebchaws lawm.
> 4. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (9) reported a new sense of confidence on the part of
> the Chao Fa since the Presidency of the "Unrepresented Nations and
> Peoples Organization" (UNPO) accepted the Hmong Chao Fa Federated
> State as a member during a UNPO meeting held at the European
> Parliament in Brussels February 1-3. The "state" envisioned for the
> Chao Fa appears to include 320,00 Hmong people living on approximately
> 50,000 square kilometers north of Vientiane -- all or parts of
> Houaphan, Xieng Khouang, and Sayaboury Provinces and the city of Luang
> Prabang. (Note: The political front of the Chao Fa is apparently the
> World Hmong People's Congress (WHPC) headquartered in New York City.)
>
9. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 9 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob leader
lawm. Nws refered rau luag ib tug officer (a secret agent) lawm.
> 5. (S) According to XXXXXXXXXXXX (10), Chao Fa recruiters visited
> California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan at the end of March and
> in early April looking for volunteers and promising that, now that the
> Hmong are recognized by UNPO, the USG will help them build a Hmong
> Nation in Laos. Apparently as part of this new level of confidence,
> earlier this year the Chao Fa invested in a Chinese company named
> "Borisat Wang Jing" ("Wang Jing Company") located in Chiang Saen in
> Chiang Rai Province in Thailand. The Chao Fa plan to use this company
> as a base from which they can enter Laos and undertake activities.
> XXXXXXXXXXXX (11) noted that the current Chao Fa leader is Pa Kao Moun, who
> fled from Laos to Thailand after the change of government in Laos in
> 1975. Pa Kao Moun has remained in Thailand since 1975 and is now
> roughly 60 years old. (Note: his name would indicate he is a close
> relative of former Chao Fa leader Pa Kao Her who was assassinated in
> late 2002.) XXXXXXXXXXXX (12) has heard that the Chao Fa leaders do not see
> the recent arrests of General Vang Pao and his group to have any
> implications for them or their future activities.
>
10. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 10 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
lawm.
11. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 11 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.
12. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 12 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.
> Neo Hom (United Front) ---------------------
> 6. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (13) indicated that two leaders of General Vang Pao's
> Neo Hom organization in Thailand are XXXXXXXXXXXX (14) and XXXXXXXXXXXX (15),
> both of whom have homes (apparently in northern Thailand) that can be
> used as bases of operation for the Neo Hom. In addition, XXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
> identified a "Mr. Bird" in Chiangmai, Thailand, as having worked with
> General Vang Pao for many years. Mr. Bird, whose mother is Thai and
> father American, is head of a Hmong Chao Khao Foundation (Hmong
> Mountain People Foundation) based in Chiangmai.
>
13. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 13 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader lawm. Nws more likely refered rau ib tug LPDR officer lawm.
14. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 14 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader lawm. Nws refered rau ib neeg ua haujlwm rau GVP lawm.
15. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 15 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob
leader tib yam. Nws refered rau ib neeg ua haujlwm rau GVP lawm ntxiv
thiab.
16. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 16 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.
> 7. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (17) passed along a rumor he had been told by a Hmong
> contact from Thailand (who had reportedly been told in turn by a Thai
> undercover officer) that there are as many as 500 Hmong-Americans
> currently in Thailand, apparently as part of planned Neo Hom
> operations. When pressed, XXXXXXXXXXXX (18) admitted the number was
> probably exaggerated but judged that there were probably at least 20
> operatives. XXXXXXXXXXXX (19) expressed particular concern about being told
> by his own contacts two days earlier that, of the 8200 Hmong at the
> Huay Nam Khao holding camp in Thailand's Petchabun Province, as many
> as 1000 were prepared to cross back into Laos to (re)join the
> insurgency. Asked how the Neo Hom could be operating with such
> apparent impunity, XXXXXXXXXXXX (20) said his contacts report regular
> payments to Thai military officers at the level of colonel and
> general.
>
17. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 17 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
tib yam li # 10 thiab xwb.
18. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 18 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm, tabsis paub tseeb hais tias tsis yog tus #1. Nws
more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer tib yam li # 10 thiab
xwb. (See comment bellow)
19. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 19 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 17 thiab xwb.
20. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 20 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 17 thiab xwb.
(We knew this Hmong leader will not say 500 and then say 20 after
being pressed; The Hmong leader we refer to always says something with
hard evidence as I ever recalled).
> A Third Group ------------
> 8. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (21) mentioned to A/DCM for the first time that there
> is a third Hmong insurgent group which had broken off from the Chao Fa
> movement after the October 2002 assassination of Pa Kao Her.
> XXXXXXXXXXXX (22) described this very small Thai-based group as being led
> by former Pa Kao Her secretary general Teng Yang.
>
21. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 21 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
tib yam li # 10 or 17 thiab xwb.
22. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 22 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 21 thiab xwb.
Note: There is no reason the Hmong Leader will tell all these story to
the US embassy in Vientiane.
Ntau heev lawm ces cia lwm zaus ho sau txuas ntxiv nawb,
HL
cwjmem
Kuv yeej tau totaub hais tias Hmoob tam sim no nws muaj 3 pab nawb.
1. yog cov xav los cawm Hmoob uas tseem raug blog liab quab yuam, caij
tsuj yam tsis raws kev raws cai. Pab neeg neeg no yog pab ua NROG blog
liab sib cav sib ceg. Cov ua nrog YONG txuas zaus, muab cai, xov xwm
tso tawm rau hauv no. Cov neeg ntawm lawv tsis xav los ua nom ua tswv
rau blog liab, tab sis xav kom blog liab muab lub VAJ HUAM sawv sib
luag rau Hmoob (justice for Hmong).
2. Pab tseem xav ua nom, namely Yang Dao, thiab lwm tus ua tau mus
taug xaiv rau blog liab raws li Wikileaks, muab Hmoob cov tub txawm
ntxhais kawm tiav los rau blog liab puas pub ib lub position rau nws
ua ntej nws tuag. Ntxiv mus, yog cov neeg laus li 40 + rov saum ua sib
yuav thaum tseem hluas hluas, ua nkauj ua nraug tis txaus, mus txog
rau blog teb, tham tau cov hluas nkauj Hmoob yau, es lub siab lub
ntsws laim txais rau sab tim. Cov neeg no, tsis yog pab yuav los cawm
Hmoob (seek justice for our own kind), tab sis rau nws tus kheej
(benefit for themvelves). Yog muaj opportunity, yuav muab Hmoob muag
rau tus Yeeb ncuab, li tswm sim rau hauv Wikileaks, kom blog liab tso
kev rau nws mus tau rau lostsuas. Cov neeg no, muaj poj niam tub ki
zoo lo yeej tsis quav ntsej li, tsuav nws tau ua raws li nws kev ywj
siab xwb (absolutely no moral oblication for his loved ones). Cov
neeg no, txhua txhuas tsev neeg puav leej muaj nawb.
3. Cov siv opportunty los dag noj dab haus, dej hlob zoo dov cav xwb.
Pab neeg no yuav los NTXIAS pej xeem, sau nyiaj no, tab sis tis ua dab
tsi rau Hmoob li.
Qhov koj defend WIKILEAK no yog WRONG DIRECTION lawm nawb. Yog ib tug
neeg zoo yuav los cawm Hmoob, yog nws pom tau hais tais Hmoob ua yuav
puas tsuaj rau Hmoob, nws yuav tsum los CHEEJ hmoob xwb, tsis txhob
mus TAUG XAIV li qub li no rau cov nomtswv, kom los NTES li NTSES GVP
lawv 12 tug no. GVP lawv cov case no twb "PROVED" tau hais tias tus
neeg no dab xwb, tsis muaj tseeb, es FEDERAL JUDGE thiaj li muaj LAWB
kiag pov tseg lawm. Qhia tau hais tias tus neeg uas koj hais XXXXX no
yog tus los tsim teeb meem, tso taw tuam ntuj. Yof kuv yog 12 tug
neeg no tsev neeg, kuv yuav HU NTUJ, hlawv Xab hlawv ntawv rau TSWV
NTUJ kom tuag mus, los yog kuv yuav mus rau NRAM GVP lub NTXA es nqa
xab ntawv mus HLAWV rau yawg GVP kom nws "PURSUE" case no mus rau sab
YEEB CEEB teb.
Finally, cov neeg ua TSEEM XAV MUS RETIRE, los mus EXPLOIT menyuam
NTXHAIS Hmoob nyob rau los tsuas teb yeej yuav los TAWM TSAM Hmoob,
tau xaiv rau blog kom tshuav lawv tau mus rau LOSTSUAS xwb.
Peb Hmoob twb txom nyem txaus nkaus lawm, yog leej twg muaj siab yuav
mus EXPLOIT menyuam ntxhais mos, why no be a SUGAR DADDY to young
girls other than our own kind, play all games that they want to, and
leave our Young girls out of pictures. Our people are suffered
enough!!
Yog leej twg yuav los cawm Hmoob txob NTSHAI tuag, he or she may
compomise on the issue, but do not compomise on his or her PRINCIPLE
to bring justice for Hmong, and never to betray Hmong.
Hmong-Lao
Koj cov lus yeej hais yog kawg lawm, hais txog txoj kev mob siab uas
luag khubmuj tsim txom yus haiv me Hmoob, thiab yeej hais yog lawm,
txog qhov yuav tsum tsis txhob koom tes nrog yeeb ncuab tsim txom yus
tus Hmoob. Tabsis ua ntej peb taw tes rau ib tug hais tias nws koom
tes nrog luag tsim txom Hmoob, peb yuav tau xyuas kom tseeb, saib kom
meej, tsis txhob maj maj txiav txim thiab lam tau lam taw tes rau ib
tug neeg twg. Yog peb ua kub ua maj, peb yuav ua yuam kev, yog thaum
yuam kev lawm ces yuav ua rau Hmoob hajyam sib tawg xwb, nws yuav tsis
solve Hmoob tej teebmeem li. Yog li ntawd, nej sawvdaws los nrog kuv
es peb ua twb zoo taug ib nqe zuj zus thiab peb mam nyias nthuav nyias
txoj kev xav thiab lub tswvyim tuaj seb qhov twg yog qhov tseeb.
Tsis txhob mis-understood hais tias kuv defend wikileak lossis defend
the Hmong Leader.
Let's start with paragraph 1 and then move on to the next. I will
break the paragraph into smaller piece and analyze.
> 1. (S) Summary: The politics of the Hmong communtiies in both Laos and
> the United States are extremely complex. As a result, a conversation
> with even a well educated Hmong (or Hmong-American) leader involves
> exaggeration and guess work and often raises more questions than it
> provides answers.
Tus embassy officer or (CIA) nrog tus Hmoob leader tham no xwb.
>Nevertheless, a recent conversation with Hmong-
> American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (1) raises several issues that may be worth
> pursuing.
1. Thawj qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX no ces yeej referred rau tus Hmoob
leader uas tsab ntawv no hais txog lawm.
Tub US embassy officer hais tias "tus Hmoob leader no hais/ua tau tej
yam uas tsim nyob soj qab". Qhov lus ua nws hais li no vim muaj li
nram nqab no:
XXXXXXXXXXXX (2) also asks for police/FBI protection before
> agreeing to address a Hmong-American gathering in Fresno, California.
2. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 2 no os yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
Yeeb vim tus leader no tau kom plice/FBI protect nws thiaj ua rau luag
xoom xaim.
> Since he may be in possesison of important, time-sensitive information
> and seems to be willing to pass a positive message -- that Hmong-
> American support for attempts to destabilize the Lao Government
> violates U.S. laws -- the FBI may have interest in contacting him, and
> the Department may have an interest in supporting the dissemination of
> this message.
Luag xoom xaim tsam tus Hmoob leader no ho lam muaj tej yam tseemceeb
uas yuav coj mus tsim kev kub ntxoob rau tseemfwv Lostsuas. Tsam FBI
lam ho xav nrog nws txuas lus .....
XXXXXXXXXXXX (3) asks the Department to write letters
> directly to Hmong groups in the United States to repeat this message.
> Please see our action requests in paragraph 13. End summary.
3. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 3 no yuav tsis yog tus leader lawm.
Possible yog LPDR government lossis lwm yam lawm. Why?
Qhov 3 no yog ib tug LPDR officer hais kom US embassy sau ntawv tuaj
qhia rau cov Hmoob nyob US no hais tias LPDR mas niam paub txog Hmoob
tej haujlwm qab rooj npaum ub npaum no. Qhov no 1, yog ib qho uas LPDR
bluff seb Hmoob puas ntshai xwb; 2 yog xav kom Hmoob sib rub Hmoob
lauj vaub li no ntag.
So far, kuv tsis tau pom ib kab lus twg hais tias tus leader no mus
taug xaiv rau LPDR or FBI li.
Nej ho xav li cas?
HL
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Coj phoojywg,
Leej twg yuav hais rau seem twg los yeej zoo. Tabsis qhov tseeb tshaj
plaws tamsim no ces yog qhov hais tias " Muaj ib pab neeg tes dub
thiab lo ntshav. ". Txawm yuav nrhiav REASONS los zais lub ntsej muag
npaum li cas los yeej yuav zais tsi tau kiag li. Cia history thiab
pejxeem Hmoob mam ua tus txiav txim qhia tias yam pab neeg ntawd ua
puas yog los tsi yog no xwb.
Nyob rau section uas hais txog lub borixat Wang Ching nyob Xiang Saen,
Chiang Rai no, tus president ntawm lub koom haum yog Pa Kao Moua.
Nyob rau lub 9 hli ntuj xyoo 2009 Pa Kao Moua raug tua tuag. Tib lub
sijhawm uas PKM raug tua tuag ntawd, muaj ib tug Hmoob Yaj thiab PKM
nyob uake. Tabsis thaum luag tuaj tua, luag tua tus Hmoob Moua xwb tsi
tua tus Hmoob Yaj. Tom qab PK tuag tas, tus Hmoob Yaj yog tus siv PK
lub xovtooj hu rau ub rau no. Yuav tsi liam txim rau leej twg, tabsis
txaus xav nawb cov phoojywg. Dhau ntawd, tus Hmoob Yaj nrog rau 11
leeg tau los suam npe kaw PK txoj kev tuag los txog hniaj hnub no. Kav
tsij kaw tiag saib yuav kaw mus txog hnub twg.
Zab
koj hais yog kawg li lawm, tus tua hmoob cov leaders tuag tag ces yog
tus dev caum nqaij ntawv xwb los mas. nws muab hmoob tua seb nws puas
tau position xwb. nws tsis yog los hlub hmoob coj hmoob tab sis yog ua
rau nws tus kheej nkaus xwb. kuv twb hais nej tias tus neeg no mus
nplog teb pkh tuag, mus nplog teb yang teng tua, mus nplog teb vp raug
ntes, mus nplog pkm tuag. zoo li no ces thiaj li tau xab gold medal
los mas.
amen
Hmong-Lao
Can we set aside our differences and analyze the cable leak line by
line?
HL
sinwung
Why is it so dificult for people to analize it ???
I thought my English is bad....the puzzle only referred to other
people, other-than the "Traitor" a few spaces,,, the VP's people in
Thailand in paragraph #6 and the DOJ officer in paragrapg#2...
The rest are stated by the "Traitor" during his debrief.
As I recalled he did appeared with Dr. Wa Houa Yang on the radio
urging Hmong but can't recall the exact date.
May be some body can update on that.
cwjmem
Nej mus saib qhov no, saib nws puas "Match" raws li Wikileaks cov xov
xwm!!
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Fresno ----- (Wikileaks)
12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
be in USG interests.
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http://hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=190&ArticleID=829&TM=1352.22
6/29/2007 Email this article.
A CALL FOR CALM FROM DR. YANG DAO
Dr. Yang Dao
I am a Hmong educator and scholar from Laos. I received my Ph. D. in
social science at the Sorbonne, University of Paris, France, in 1972.
During the Provisional Government of Laos (1974-1975), a result of the
Vientiane Accords, signed by the Royal Lao Government and the Pathet
Lao in February 1973, I was appointed by the King of Laos to the
National Political Consultative Council (Laotian Congress). Today I am
a U.S. citizen living in Minnesota.
On June 4, 2007, I was traveling abroad when General Vang Pao, a
former military officer of the Royal Lao Army, was arrested in
California along with a retired U.S. National Guard Lieutenant Colonel
and 8 other Hmong local community leaders for "suspected violations of
the Neutrality Act, the object of which was to engage in the violent
overthrow of the sovereign government of Laos". (See U.S. Federal
Court's official press release of June 4, 2007). Upon my return to the
United States, I found the Hmong American community in a state of
utter confusion.
While I profoundly regret the incident which led to General Vang Pao's
being incarcerated in the U.S. federal prison of Sacramento,
California (along with his team of the United Front for the National
Liberation of Laos - "Neo Hom" in the Lao language), I firmly condemn
violence of all forms, wherever it comes from, which threatens the
life and security of humanity. However, I hope that the U.S. Federal
Court will follow due process and assure that the accused have total
access to legal counsel and get a fair trial based on "justice for
all" in full respect of the U.S. Constitution.
Today, I make a solemn call for calm to all my Lao-Hmong countrymen
living in the United States of America. For all U.S. residents and
citizens, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Therefore, I ask each and
everyone of you, Lao-Hmong Americans, to act as reasonable and
responsible people by respecting our cultural traditions and the U.S.
Constitution, which is the foundation of social justice and economic
progress for the multi-cultural society of this great nation.
During the Vietnam War (1960-1975), at the request of the Royal Lao
Government, the Kennedy Administration could not militarily intervene
in Laos, a neutral country, as it did in South Vietnam where hundreds
of thousands of U.S. troops were sent to defend the South Vietnamese
Government. Instead, Washington sent the C.I.A. to Laos to equip and
finance an irregular army, known as Special Guerilla Units (S.G.U.),
made up of Lao, Hmong, Khmu, Mien, Lue and other Laotian ethnic
groups, which fought a "secret war" under the leadership of the Royal
Lao Army. After the Vietnam War ended in catastrophe (in April 1975),
the Pathet Lao seized power in Laos (in May 1975). Tens of thousands
of Laotians of all ethnic backgrounds began to leave the country to
take the road of exile to refugee camps in Thailand. Therefore, the
U.S. Government responded
Dr. Yang Dao's Call for Calm
June 22, 2007
to its moral obligation to offer political asylum in the United States
to its former allies, the members of the S.G.U. and their families,
along with other refugees from Laos.
In order to show our deep gratitude to the local and federal
governments of the United States, we, the Laotians of all ethnic
backgrounds, must respect the U.S. constitution and laws. As U.S.
citizens, we have the duty and responsibility of serving our host
nation with devotion and loyalty. All self-proclaimed "Laotian
governments" in exile and resistance organizations based in the United
States are illegal and must be disbanded immediately. I urge each and
everyone of our multi-ethnic Laotian communities in the U.S.
(including Lao, Hmong, Khmu, Mien, Thaidam and Lue Americans) to do
their best to become productive U.S. citizens, to build a strong
relationship with the local American community, and to work together
to make this great nation a better place to live as well as to support
our U.S. government foreign policy in promoting peace and
international cooperation with all nations of the world, including
Laos.
Yang Dao, Ph. D.
U.S. citizen and former member
of the National Political Consultative Council
of the Kingdom of Laos
Email: dr.ya...@comcast.net
Thorn...@yahoo.com
dlaab tsi naj! Luag tub muaj luag tug Chief of Staff, Victor Yang saib
xyua tej laaj kaam nuav moog rua qhov kuas ruaj ntseg lawm. Luag has
tas tug tuab neeg siv hlwb hab tug kws tsuas khaav lub ntsis phom xwb
tes txug thaum kawg yeej yuav tsum tuag rua tug muaj hlwb teg. VP and
his 11 crooks maag moog hlob kav hlaus yuav tsis lam yog leej twg foob
puab, but puab rov muab puab moog ua huab tais xwb xob chim chim sab.
Luag tej laug tub has tas xob ua sab lim ham, tsam tes npaam, txhob
xaav has tas yug yog tug luj lawm tes yuav ua saib tsis taug lwm tug,
luag tsis muaj txim los yog ntxub luag tes cas le muab luag ntuv pov
tseg. Txug kawg yeej yuav muaj tug lug qhau tau dlog kag le nuav xwb.
Yog has tas muaj tseeb le wikkielik cov messages nuav tag mas my thumb
is up for DYD and his team for the good work they have done to save
many thousand hmong people's life. Puab mas txhaj le truly deserve
medal for rescuing Hmong life otherwise Hmong will continue to die and
suffer at the old dog and his crooks' hand. Zoo heev, zoo heev!!
On May 4, 8:10 pm, cwjmem <cwj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> HL thaib cov bawg sawv daws,
>
> Nej mus saib qhov no, saib nws puas "Match" raws li Wikileaks cov xov
> xwm!!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fresno ----- (Wikileaks)
> 12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
> he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
> Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
> Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
> without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
> to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
> message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
> be in USG interests.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=190&ArticleI...
> Email: dr.yang...@comcast.net
cwjmem
> Cov yawg mej tsis xob nyuab saib hab chim chim ua luaj rua DYD ua tug
> dlaab tsi naj! Luag tub muaj luag tug Chief of Staff, Victor Yang saib
> xyua tej laaj kaam nuav moog rua qhov kuas ruaj ntseg lawm. Luag has
> tas tug tuab neeg siv hlwb hab tug kws tsuas khaav lub ntsis phom xwb
> tes txug thaum kawg yeej yuav tsum tuag rua tug muaj hlwb teg. VP and
> his 11 crooks maag moog hlob kav hlaus yuav tsis lam yog leej twg foob
> puab, but puab rov muab puab moog ua huab tais xwb xob chim chim sab.
> Luag tej laug tub has tas xob ua sab lim ham, tsam tes npaam, txhob
> xaav has tas yug yog tug luj lawm tes yuav ua saib tsis taug lwm tug,
> luag tsis muaj txim los yog ntxub luag tes cas le muab luag ntuv pov
> tseg. Txug kawg yeej yuav muaj tug lug qhau tau dlog kag le nuav xwb.
> Yog has tas muaj tseeb le wikkielik cov messages nuav tag mas my thumb
> is up for DYD and his team for the good work they have done to save
> many thousand hmong people's life. Puab mas txhaj le truly deserve
> medal for rescuing Hmong life otherwise Hmong will continue to die and
> suffer at the old dog and his crooks' hand. Zoo heev, zoo heev!!
Thorn,
Zaum no ces tauv huab los ROOS Hmoob kaj kiag lawm ntag. Nej cov yuav
ua li cas los tau nawb. Tso pluav rau nej roam like a wild horse lawm
ntag laiv. Kav tsij mus ua teb ua chaw nawb! Blog teb yeej muaj
Opportunity ntau nawb.
Mus saib qhov no maj, nej qub teb qub chaw...kuv tij laug VAM KAIS
thaib Txawj Kuam lub quav tsev naj!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz86GWTtzWM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/thesmilemiles#p/u
Hmong-Lao
>
> Nej mus saib qhov no, saib nws puas "Match" raws li Wikileaks cov xov
> xwm!!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fresno ----- (Wikileaks)
> 12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
> he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
> Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
> Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
> without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
> to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
> message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
> be in USG interests.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
PY Cwjmem,
Ua tsaug uas koj bring qhov no up los support kom peb hajyam totaubzoo
txog qhov wikileak zoo. Great job! Yog sawvdaws sib pab ib leeg tawm
ib lub tswvyim li no ces qhov tseeb yeej yuav tawm tuaj xwb tiag.
Exactly, qhov no ntag laus qhov uas A/DCM (Agency of Diplomatic Cable
Message) hais nyob rau hauv qhov summary (paragraph 1) hais tias nrog
tus leader ntawv tham tag mas tsis hais tias nws teb tau yus cov lus
nug hos hajyam ua rau yus muaj lus nug ntau tuaj lawm. Yeeb vim tom
qab GVP lawv raug ntes, DYD raug USG caw kom los hais lus cheem koj
pejxeem Hmoob siab tus. Thaum A/DCM mus nug nws question, nws thiaj li
yuav tau teb qhov tseeb rau A/DCM hais tias nws yuav hais ntag yog
hais tias plice/FBI protect nws. Thaum no, A/DCM thiaj li rov nug lawv
tus kheej hais tias "why he needs protection?"
Peb yeej paub ntsoov thiab hnov ntsoov lawm hais tias muaj neeg coob
leej especially cov Caubfab thiab Neo Hom yeej tsis nyiam DYD, yog li
ntawd, nws thiaj li yuav tsum hais kom USG nriav neeg protect nws mas
nws thiaj kam mus hais lus cheem kom Hmoob ua lub siab tus thiab kom
Hmoob tsis txhob lam mus tsim kev kub ntxov rau lwm lub tebchaws.
Again, thanks friend cwjmem.
HL
cwjmem
HL,
Tej no yuav tsum muaj tshaj tawm rau Hmoob qab ntuj no paub. Yang Dao
yeej yog tus neeg taug xaiv mus rau Blog lawm tiag. Saib lawv cov Yaj
Vam meej puas hais dab tsi xwb (distant themselves from Yang Dao).
Peb tshwm sim los ua ib haiv Hmoob, kev cov nyom yeej muaj, tswv yim
sib txhawv, kev ntseeg yeej tsis sib xws, tab sis peb ua dab tsis ua
li GVP ntag, ua qhib kiag rau sawv daws paub ntag. Yog yuav sib hais,
hais kiag tawm rau hauv chaw sib THAM ntag (transparency), pom hais
tias yuav puas tshuaj CHEEM ntag, yog yuav tau NOJ ces sib txhawb
ntag. Li no thiaj yog cov los Kho Hmoob, coj Hmoob lawm yav tom ntej
thiab mus txog Hmoob lub hom phiaj (goals).
Hmong-Lao
Yog nej tsis muaj tus los comment txog paragraph 1 no ces txhais tau
hais tias nej yeej agree li kuv lawm thiab yom. Yog li, cia peb ho
txuas ntxiv mus rau paragraph tom ntej nawb.
> The Chao Fa ----------
> 2. (S) A/DCM met with noted Hmong-American leader XXXXXXXXXXXX (4)
> (strictly protect) three times during the week of the arrest of Hmong-
> American conspirators by the U.S. DOJ. XXXXXXXXXXXX (5), well known within
> the Hmong-American community XXXXXXXXXXXX (6) in the United States
> XXXXXXXXXXXX (7), asked that Embassy Bangkok pursue an investigation into
> an investment in a company in Thailand that the Chao Fa group may be
> using to set up a base of operations to help support its activities in
> Laos.
4. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 4 no los yeej yog tib tug neeg li qhov # 1
lawm.
5. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 5 no mas tsis paub tseeb tias yog leej twg
lossis yog dabtsi lawm. Tabsis raws li kuv xav, nws yuav tsis yog ib
lub npe neeg lawm. Nws hajyam yuav tsis yog tus leader lub npe lawm
vim tus leader lub npe twb muab hais tag saum toj thiab qhia hais tias
nws yog a educated Hmoob Leader no lawm, tsis muaj qab hau yuav rov
los hais duab tias "well known in the Hmong community
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx".
6. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 6 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.
7. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 7 tsis yog npe neeg lawm.
> 3. (S) We understand the Chao Fa to be a group, originally set up in
> 1917 or so, espousing a more "pure" Hmong tradition, and a tradition
> more based on magic and spirits than that of the Neo Hom group led by
> General Vang Pao. The Chao Fa and Neo Hom have led very separate
> movements in opposition to the Government of Laos (GOL) over the
> years. Thus we view with concern reports from XXXXXXXXXXXX (8) and
> elsewhere that the Chao Fa and Neo Hom may have started cooperating
> since the beginning of this year.
8. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 8 no tsis yog npe neeg lawm. Nws referred
rau ib qov chaw lossis ib lub city lawm. Lo lus "and" no qhia hais
tias thawj los lus yog ib qhov chaw vim lo tom qab ntawm lo "and" yog
"elsewhere".
> 4. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (9) reported a new sense of confidence on the part of
> the Chao Fa since the Presidency of the "Unrepresented Nations and
> Peoples Organization" (UNPO) accepted the Hmong Chao Fa Federated
> State as a member during a UNPO meeting held at the European
> Parliament in Brussels February 1-3. The "state" envisioned for the
> Chao Fa appears to include 320,00 Hmong people living on approximately
> 50,000 square kilometers north of Vientiane -- all or parts of
> Houaphan, Xieng Khouang, and Sayaboury Provinces and the city of Luang
> Prabang. (Note: The political front of the Chao Fa is apparently the
> World Hmong People's Congress (WHPC) headquartered in New York City.)
9. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 9 no tsis yog refered rau tus Hmoob leader
lawm. Nws refered rau luag ib tug officer (a secret agent) losis
referred tau ib tug LPDR officer lawm. Tus leader tsis muaj qab hau es
yuav los muab tej xovxwm zoo li no qhia rau A/DCM li lawm. Tus uas
txhawj xeeb txog tej xwm txheej zoo li no tshaj, uas yuav muab qhia
rau A/DCM mas yog LPDR officer xwb.
So far, kuv yeej tsis tau pom ib qho lus qhia meej hais tias tus Hmong
Lead tau mus muab xov rau LPDR or FBI li. Nej pom txawv li cas?
HL
sinwung
> HL thaib cov bawg sawv daws,
>
> Nej mus saib qhov no, saib nws puas "Match" raws li Wikileaks cov xov
> xwm!!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fresno ----- (Wikileaks)
> 12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
> he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
> Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
> Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
> without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
> to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
> message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
> be in USG interests.
>
>
> http://hmongtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=31&SubSectionID=190&ArticleI...
Cwj,
koj muab saib qhov WKL...thiab qhov email no ces yog tib tug Txiv
dev no xwb mas koj xyuas lub sijhawm nov:::
cwjmem
> Cwj,
>
> koj muab saib qhov WKL...thiab qhov email no ces yog tib tug Txiv
> dev no xwb mas koj xyuas lub sijhawm nov:::
>
> On June 4, 2007, I was traveling abroad when General Vang Pao, a
> former military officer of the Royal Lao Army, was arrested in
> California along with a retired U.S. National Guard Lieutenant Colonel
> and 8 other Hmong local community leaders for "suspected violations of
> the Neutrality Act, the object of which was to engage in the violent
> overthrow of the sovereign government of Laos". (See U.S. Federal
> Court's official press release of June 4, 2007). Upon my return to the
> United States, I found the Hmong American community in a state of
> utter confusion.
Sinwung,
Koj saib tus neeg no ua li no rau Hmoob, twb tsis muaj ib tug Doctor
ua tseem yuav xav los coj Hmoob ntawm los CONDEMN qhov ua Yang Dao ua
no. Tsuas yog peb ob peb tug ua tsis yog cov neeg XAV UA HMOOB TUS
COJ los hais tawm. Lwm tus txheeb ze los yog qee tus uas yog share
nws lub xeem tseem hais tias peb yog cov neeg taug xaiv xwb no laiv.
Ua neeg nyob, peb txhob coj li cov laus hais lawm, "Muab dej saib ua
ntu, muab neeg saib ua phlu", yog Hmoob cem coj li no ces, yeej kawg
peb encourage more Corruptions xwb tiag.
Noogqejqawg
Interesting comment. I too was wondering why none of the educated
Hmong would make any negative comment regarding this leak.
regard,
nqq
sinwung
Cwj thiab Noogqejqawg,
Ua neb puas paub Lub Hmoob Committee uas cov Drs coob nyob hauv ...ua
li YD puas nyob hauv thiab.
Muaj ib cov xws li Dr. wa houa yang mas yeej yog 100% YD tus neeg
thiab ib tug yog Dr, Khou Yang nyob Stanis Laus UC los yog 100% YD
tus neeg.
Tabsis kuv ho pom Dr. Khou Yang nyob ua board member rau Hmong Human
Right Watch thiab..
Qhov lawv tsis tuaj hais no mas tejzaum yuav zoo li no:
Ib... yog tias lawv nyob ib lub Koomtxoos ces lawv yuav tsis kam tuaj
hais , txawm cov uas paub los lawv yuav tsis hais dab tsi..vim yuav
nrog poob ntsej muag vimtias tsam no paimquav lawm ne.
Ob..mas tej zaum muaj ib co yuav tsis paub txog qhov yawg ua no
thiab... ces luag yuav tsis kam nrog yawg es yawg lub nra.
Peb..lawv sawv daws yeej paub...es tseem tabtom mus baj tswvyim saib
puas muaj txoj kev yuav los teb rau Hmoob li cas.
Plaub..cov Drs. yuav rov qab tawg dua ib zaug ntxiv vim ib co nrog YD
ib co yuav tsis nrog lawm ces nyias nrhiav nyias txoj kev tawm li uas
Pab Liab mag nkuaj...koj tsis khes kuv kuv tsis khes koj .
Tsib...cov Drs. no lawv tsis kam sib tham hauv xovtooj nrog tus yawg i
li lawm vim ntshai -ntshai tsam muaj WKL dua thiab.
tou
Let fill the blank of the leak ok.
Classified By: Charge d'affaires, a.i. Mary Grace McGeehan for reasons
1.4 (b) and (d). 1. (S) Summary: The politics of the Hmong communtiies
in both Laos and the United States are extremely complex. As a result,
a conversation with even a well educated Hmong (or Hmong-American)
leader involves exaggeration and guess work and often raises more
questions than it provides answers. Nevertheless, a recent
conversation with Hmong-American leader _________________raises
several issues that may be worth pursuing. _______________ also asks
for police/FBI protection before agreeing to address a Hmong-American
gathering in Fresno, California. Since he may be in possesison of
important, time-sensitive information and seems to be willing to pass
a positive message -- that Hmong-American support for attempts to
destabilize the Lao Government violates U.S. laws -- the FBI may have
interest in contacting him, and the
Department may have an interest in supporting the dissemination of
this message. _____________________asks the Department to write
letters directly to Hmong groups in the United States to repeat this
message. Please see our action requests in paragraph 13. End summary.
The Chao Fa ----------2. (S) A/DCM met with noted Hmong-American
leader __________________(strictly protect) three times during the
week of the arrest of Hmong-American conspirators by the U.S. DOJ.
_______________, well known within the Hmong-American community
XXXXXXXXXXXX in the United States ___________________, asked that
Embassy Bangkok pursue an investigation into an investment in a
company in Thailand that the Chao Fa group may be using to set up a
base of operations to help support its activities in Laos. 3. (S) We
understand the Chao Fa to be a group, originally set up in 1917 or so,
espousing a more "pure" Hmong tradition, and a tradition more based on
magic and spirits than that of the Neo Hom group led by General Vang
Pao. The Chao Fa and Neo Hom have led very separate movements in
opposition to the Government of Laos (GOL) over the years. Thus we
view with concern reports from __________________and elsewhere that
the Chao Fa and Neo Hom may have started cooperating since the
beginning of this year. 4. (S) _________________reported a new sense
of confidence on the part of the Chao Fa since the Presidency of the
"Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization" (UNPO) accepted the
Hmong Chao Fa Federated State as a member during a UNPO meeting held
at the European Parliament in Brussels February 1-3. The "state"
envisioned for the Chao Fa appears to include 320,00 Hmong people
living on approximately 50,000 square kilometers north of Vientiane --
all or parts of Houaphan, Xieng Khouang, and Sayaboury Provinces and
the city of Luang Prabang. (Note: The political front of the Chao Fa
is apparently the World Hmong People's Congress (WHPC) headquartered
in New York City.) 5. (S) According to ________________, Chao Fa
recruiters visited California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan at
the end of March and in early April looking for volunteers and
promising that, now that the Hmong are recognized by UNPO, the USG
will help them build a Hmong Nation in Laos. Apparently as part of
this new level of confidence, earlier this year the Chao Fa invested
in a Chinese company named "Borisat Wang Jing" ("Wang Jing Company")
located in Chiang Saen in Chiang Rai Province in Thailand. The Chao Fa
plan to use this company as a base from which they can enter Laos and
undertake activities. ___________________noted that the current Chao
Fa leader is Pa Kao Moun, who fled from Laos to Thailand after the
change of government in Laos in 1975. Pa Kao Moun has remained in
Thailand since 1975 and is now roughly 60 years old. (Note: his name
would indicate he is a close relative of former Chao Fa leader Pa Kao
Her who was assassinated in late 2002.) _________________has heard
that the Chao Fa leaders do not see the recent arrests of General Vang
Pao and his group to have any implications for them or their future
activities. Neo Hom (United Front) ---------------------6. (S)
__________________ indicated that two leaders of General Vang Pao's
Neo Hom organization in Thailand are __________________and
__________________, both of whom have homes (apparently in northern
Thailand) that can be used as bases of operation for the Neo Hom. In
addition, ________________ identified a "Mr. Bird" in Chiangmai,
Thailand, as having worked with General Vang Pao for many years. Mr.
Bird, whose mother is Thai and father American, is head of a Hmong
Chao Khao Foundation (Hmong Mountain People Foundation) based in
Chiangmai. 7. (S) __________________passed along a rumor he had been
told by a Hmong contact from Thailand (who had reportedly been told in
turn by a Thai undercover officer) that there are as many as 500 Hmong-
Americans currently in Thailand, apparently as part of planned Neo Hom
operations. When pressed, ____________________ admitted the number was
probably exaggerated but judged that there were probably at least 20
operatives. _________________ expressed particular concern about being
told by his own contacts two days earlier that, of the 8200 Hmong at
the Huay Nam Khao holding camp in Thailand's Petchabun Province, as
many as 1000 were prepared to cross back into Laos to (re)join the
insurgency. Asked how the Neo Hom could be operating with such
apparent impunity, _________________ said his contacts report regular
payments to Thai military officers at the level of colonel and
general. A Third Group ------------8. (S) _________________ mentioned
to A/DCM for the first time that there is a third Hmong insurgent
group which had broken off from the Chao Fa movement after the October
2002 assassination of Pa Kao Her. ________________ described this very
small Thai-based group as being led by former Pa Kao Her secretary
general Teng Yang. SIPDIS Playing Rough ------------9. (S)
_______________ expressed strong concern about methods being used by
both Chao Fa and Neo Hom in the last few months. He referred to Neo
Hom activists who visited the Huay Nam Khao holding camp in February
and recruited ten Chao Fa supporters to return to Laos on a scouting
mission. After spending two weeks in Laos, they reportedly returned to
Huay Nam Khao to tell the activists there was no chance the general
Hmong population in Laos would support an uprising -too many had
achieved economic or political success (with more Hmong now in
government positions than had been the case in 1975 -- ranging from
Politburo Member Madame Pany Yathorthou to cabinet members, governors,
deputy governors, mayors etc.). The activists told the ten scouts they
all needed to go to Bangkok to report this -- and the ten have not
been seen since.
10. (S) ____________________also mentioned another contact in Laos who
called him in the United States in April saying Chao Fa operatives had
visited his home to recruit him to help ambush busses. They left him
40 "files" of information to be passed on to other likely supporters.
He called _________________to ask what to do. __________________told
him to burn the files and avoid further contact with the Chao Fa
operatives. When XXXXXXXXXXXX arrived in Laos last week, he called the
contact only to find his number had been disconnected, and the contact
is nowhere to be found. Direct Mail ----------11. (S)
__________________ assured A/DCM that, before leaving on this trip to
Laos, he had stopped in Fresno and appeared on a local Hmong radio
program _________________to tell the audience (before the arrests of
the General Vang Pao group) that actions against the GOL violated U.S.
laws. He believes it important for the Department of State to send
letters to all major Hmong organizations in the United States to
repeat this message to them directly. _________________ remembered
former EAP DAS Matt Daley delivering this message to a conference of
Hmong Americans in 2004 with great impact. _______________ pointed out
he appeared on radio programs and at Hmong-American gatherings after
this conference to help repeat Mr. Daley's message. Fresno -----12.
(S) ______________ also told A/DCM he has heard from his family that
he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
be in USG interests. Action Requests --------------13. (S) We
recommend that the Department take the following actions: a) instruct
Embassy Bangkok to coordinate with Thai authorities to check on the
company named in para 5 (Borisat Wang Jing) and the several Hmong
leaders currently living in Thailand mentioned in paras 5, 6, and 8.
b) consider the proposal for letters from the Department to the main
Hmong organizations in the United States delivering the message stated
by EAP DAS Daley in 2004: that support of attempts to overthrow the
GOL violate U.S. laws. c) pass on to the FBI _________________'s
request for protection if he addresses a gathering of Hmong Americans
in Fresno California, a central location for General Vang Pao
supporters. __________________may be reached at phone number:
(________________. __________________ may be able to provide valuable
information to the FBI regarding the inner workings of these Hmong
organizations which may assist the ongoing FBI investigation(s).
COMMENT ------14. (S) _______________knows all of these players well
-- he was a political advisor to General Vang Pao before 1975 and was
briefly a senior official in the Neo Hom organization in the early
1980s before he broke with Neo Hom over tactics. It is of course
likely that he is attempting a balancing act: using this opportunity
to enhance his position within the Hmong-American community and
furthering his own personal agenda while also attempting to keep the
Hmong-American community within the confines of U.S. law. Nonetheless,
the message he seems willing to deliver is a message we need repeated
in the Hmong-American community, so the Embassy recommends the
cwjmem
Kuvtsis paub txog lawv cov no thiab kuv los kuj tsis associate nrog
lawv cov no.
Raws li kuv hmloog Dr. Vam huas yaj hais lus nyob rau hauv xovtojcua
Hmong nyob rau hauv Fresno, mas Dr. Vam Huas yog ib tug "CLOWN" xwb.
Yav tag los hais txog xov xwm nyob rau lostsuas thiab Thaib mas nim
hais li qub li no ua yuav tswm sim. tab sis twb tsis muaj thiab tshwm
sim raws li nws hais. Yus yog ib tug neeg hais lus tawm public lawm,
txhob muab yam tsis muaj los hais tawm, hais ua dog ua dig, tab tus
menyuam yaus xwb lso twb tsis ntseeg lawm.
Yog koj xav paub cov neeg ua tuaj blog liab sab, uas ntsai tsam blog
liab tsis pub lawv mus rau pab lostuas, los yog mus ua DEV zov blog
lub qab rooj ces, koj mus "type" NTR los yog Nam theung II ces koj
yeej paub lawm hais tias cov Nrog Blog liab yog leej twg, hos cov nrog
Hmoob, Hmong diehard, li kuv yog leej twg.
Tam sim no cov nrog Blog liab ntawm, ua muaj coob tus Drs. cuag li
lawv tsis paub ntawv, tsis muaj qhov muag, tsis pob nteg hnov lus li
lawm, I am very CURIOUS too!!!
Hmong-Lao
Filling the blank without a thoroughly evaluation may lead to mass
misunderstanding like it is now. That's why I ask everyone of you help
me to evaluate line by line and paragraph by paragraph.
PY cwjmem & Moobsib,
Tus Dr. twg thiaj li yuav kam voice lawv qhov opinion tuaj rau peb lub
forum no? Lawv twb tsis tau tuaj, peb coob tus twb muab lub title
"traitor" rau lawv lawm los sad. Txawm lawv tuaj muab opinion rau los
peb yeej tsis ntseeg lawv li na. Then why waste their valuable time in
here?
All,
It seems you have don't have any different opinions to my evaluations
so far, that mean paragraph 1 thru' 4 don't have any line telling that
the concerned Hmong Leader has reported Neo Hom and Chao Fah
activities to LPDR or FBI, right?
How about the following paragraphs?
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16. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 16 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Tabsis paub tseeb hais tias nws referred rau tus
neeg # 10.
> 7. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (17) passed along a rumor he had been told by a Hmong
> contact from Thailand (who had reportedly been told in turn by a Thai
> undercover officer) that there are as many as 500 Hmong-Americans
> currently in Thailand, apparently as part of planned Neo Hom
> operations. When pressed, XXXXXXXXXXXX (18) admitted the number was
> probably exaggerated but judged that there were probably at least 20
> operatives. XXXXXXXXXXXX (19) expressed particular concern about being told
> by his own contacts two days earlier that, of the 8200 Hmong at the
> Huay Nam Khao holding camp in Thailand's Petchabun Province, as many
> as 1000 were prepared to cross back into Laos to (re)join the
> insurgency. Asked how the Neo Hom could be operating with such
> apparent impunity, XXXXXXXXXXXX (20) said his contacts report regular
> payments to Thai military officers at the level of colonel and
> general.
17. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 17 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
tib yam li # 10 thiab xwb.
18. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 18 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm, tabsis paub tseeb hais tias tsis yog tus #1. Nws
more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer tib yam li # 10 thiab
xwb. (See comment bellow)
19. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 19 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 17 thiab xwb.
20. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 20 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 17 thiab xwb.
(We knew this Hmong leader will not say 500 and then say 20 after
being pressed; The Hmong leader we refer to always says something with
hard evidence as I ever recalled).
> A Third Group ------------
> 8. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (21) mentioned to A/DCM for the first time that there
> is a third Hmong insurgent group which had broken off from the Chao Fa
> movement after the October 2002 assassination of Pa Kao Her.
> XXXXXXXXXXXX (22) described this very small Thai-based group as being led
> by former Pa Kao Her secretary general Teng Yang.
21. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 21 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg lawm. Nws more likely referred rau ib tug LPDR officer
tib yam li # 10 or 17 thiab xwb.
22. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 22 no nws more likely referred rau ib tug
LPDR officer tib yam li # 21 thiab xwb.
Note: There is no reason the Hmong Leader will tell all these story to
the US embassy in Vientiane or A/DCM.
Any different opinions?
HL
Zab
when someone talk to you is like talking to a 3rd grade child that is
why no one wanna communicate with you. when they talk to you, u don't
get it at all. for you to understand the big picture u have to go all
the way back to the 90 and connect the dot from there. to make it
short, u can just go back to our early conversation in here and u will
find most of the evidences. if u don't have the brain to do that, u
start from pakao her's death to until now. there are 3 reports about
hmong. first one start at april, second one when vp arrested, third
one blongxiong speech at the u.
the wikileaks are only some of the reports and come from vientiane
laos, the part about fbi and state department, we don't know or don't
see it yet. I believe there are more than once that these traitors
report to the authority and communist. again, even if u see only the
wikileaks, all the information of the traitors is exposed.
so when you wanted to talk, you have to talk like an adult and know
what ur talking otherwise, ur making a fool out of yourself.
amen
Hmong-Lao
> Hmong-lao
>
> when someone talk to you is like talking to a 3rd grade child that is
> why no one wanna communicate with you. when they talk to you, u don't
> get it at all. for you to understand the big picture u have to go all
> the way back to the 90 and connect the dot from there. to make it
> short, u can just go back to our early conversation in here and u will
> find most of the evidences. if u don't have the brain to do that, u
> start from pakao her's death to until now. there are 3 reports about
> hmong. first one start at april, second one when vp arrested, third
> one blongxiong speech at the u.
>
> the wikileaks are only some of the reports and come from vientiane
> laos, the part about fbi and state department, we don't know or don't
> see it yet. I believe there are more than once that these traitors
> report to the authority and communist. again, even if u see only the
> wikileaks, all the information of the traitors is exposed.
>
> so when you wanted to talk, you have to talk like an adult and know
> what ur talking otherwise, ur making a fool out of yourself.
>
> amen
>
Friend Zab,
Tsis txhob txaj muag mas los. Accused neeg yuam kev lawm los kawg hais
"sorry" xwb mas lod. No need to tell others that Hmong-Lao is a third
grade educated when he is about remove the dirt right in your eyes.
HL
sinwung
>
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HL,
Luag tias neeg taug xaiv zoo li no mas ...kuv twb yog tus ntxeeb nws
ntag kuv twb tsis ntseeg lawm nas.
Kuv twb nco nws tuaj hais hauv xovtooj cua nrog Vam Huas Yaj ntag los
mas ...nws hais kom Hmoob txhob mus nrog VP thiab Chaofa ua haujlwm
qab rooj ...tsuas yog kuv nco tsis tau lub hnub twg lawm xwb.
Qhov passage no mas lawv muab nws paraphrased lawm xwb... tiag tiag
mas tseem tshaj ntawd os..
Qhov no nws yog lub sijhawm luag los mus debrief nws lawd nas ..tsis
yog tias sib tham tom kev nas . thiab tsis yog tham ib zaug xwb tej
zaum nws hais li no lawm ces luag yeej yuav nrog nws tham ntau
zaus....
Tab sis koj twb to taub tias summary no yog li cas lawd los sav es
tseem pheej yuav analyze baum li cas ntxiiv nas.
Cov lus no yog ib co lus 8th grade xwb nas ..tsis to taub thiab.
Xavzoo
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Sinwung thiab Zab,
Cas neb nim xav cam nrog ib txhia neeg ualuaj li na..? Neb hais phem
txog luag tus leader lawm luag hamtsis txheem nkaus neb xwb los mas...
HL,
Koj los txawj ua txuj ua ci kawg li thiab tiag. Koj nug tau qhov tseeb
es koj nim ua tau dabtsi thiab kho tau lossis tsa tau tej tuag uas twb
tuag lawm sawv los cas na..
Tseg koj tej tswv8,9 mus pab Hmoob Nyablaj tamsis no xwb zoo tshaj.
X Z
Noogqejqawg
Having such assumptions, li nej, are the most poisonous of all because
anyone who does not agree with your idea will automatically becomes
your enemy. That's dangerous, you know.
nqq
Xavzoo
nqq,
wow...tseem hais tias dangerous lawm thiab no lau...kuv ntshai nej
lawm os...nyeem tsis tau lub phem lub zoo uas nej yuav ua rau kuv lawm
thiab laiv. Tej lus kuv tham rau Zab thiab Hmong-Lao nkawv no ces ib
txwm muaj rau ib txhia Yaj or (pro DYD) thiab ib txhia Vaj or (pro VP)
ib txwm sib cav thiab sib tawm tsam. Hamtsis muaj tiag li kuv tau
hais, nej yeej paub tias sib cav tsis paub xaus thaum Tham txog VP
thiab DYD. Qhov zoo ces tham txog tej yam uas muaj xaus zoo tshaj li
tej uas peb twb paub zoo lawm tias no ending and no solution.
Txhob maj chim os nawb, tsis tau xwb tim hais tsis zoo rau leejtwg,
thov pab ua zoo xav thiab ua zoo cais tej ncaujlus thiab lau...lwm
hnub ntsib mam zeem koj ntawm ib kho dej qabzib nawb npawg..!
X Z
sinwung
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xav zoo.
kuv tsis yog yuav liam los yog yuam kom ib tug neeg twg Yog tus
txhaum.
Yog peb yuav ua kom ncaj rau peb Hmoob tiag yuav tau txhob ua li cov
Neeg Laus no.
Leej twg yog tus txhaum yuav tau hais tias nws yog tus txhaum..thiaj
yuav yog tus role model rau peb ib Haiv Hmoob.
Peb twb paub tias nws txhaum los tseem ua li cov niag laus thaum ub es
yuav mus bav Haus Dej ..mus bav Raus roj.
Peb tsuas hais tus neeg ua phem ...thiab tsim txom yus Haiv Hmoob .
Yav tag los kuv no yog ib tug ntseeg DYD heev.. thiab yeej muaj kev
cia siab rau yawg vimhais tias kuv txheeb ze rau yawg heev.
Los txog rau thaum pom cov WKL no lawm ces ..kuv xav tias nws lo lus
uas hais tias Hlub Hmoob ,cawm Hmoob, pab Hmoob...yog lus puv qhov
nkauj es lam hais dag kom cov neeg nteeg es yawg tau zoo mus
preemptive his own wants and needs.
Noogqejqawg
koj cov lus iab liam los luj kom meejx thiab tshab txaus tso mam li
hais maj. Twb yog vim peb Hmoob coj li ntawd es thiaj muaj tsi taus
kev haumxeeb ruaj thiab khov ntag lauv...
Tab txawm yog lwm tus neeg uas tsi meej pem yuav coj thiab xav li
ntawd los koj tus kheej yuav tsum tsi txhob make such assumption tias
yog vim hais raug lawv tus thawj lawm es lawv thiaj li tig loo kaug
rau nej no maj.
Kuv mas, nej tsis txhob poob siab nawb... Yeej mag suav daws ceem
txaus lawm, yuav tsi lam chim thiab ntxeeb siab rau nej sai npaum li
nej xav os...
nqq
yi...@charter.net
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Tij Laug/Kwv Xinwung,
Yog hais tias tus ntawd yog DYD tiag mas ntsias mus ib sab kuj tsis
zoo, tiam sis ib sab kuj zoo thiab vim nws pab cheem tau qhov
operation pop corn. Qhov hauj lwm ntawd zoo li me nyuam yaus ua xwb
es. Zoo rau qhov tsis tau nqes tes. Yog nqes tes ua mas ntshe cov
mus nqes kaus rau tim VT mas ntshe tuag tas los yog mag txhom tas.
Tsis li peb ib cov Hmoog uas tsis paub qab hau dab tsi nyob inside
Nplog teb mas tseem mag tas thiab nawb.... Zoo dua raug txim xwb es
tsis muaj tus tuag.... raws li kuv xav... brgds. yingb
Xavzoo
nqq,
Zoo lawm os nawb, tsuav koj tsis chim xwb kuv txaus siab lawm. Tsam no
ces sawvdaws puas hlwb ib yam lawm os, txhob xav ntau ntau tej roj
ntsha thiaj khiav zoo. Luag ntxhi nawb...Muaj dabtsi tshiab tham tuaj
qhia peb sawvdaws.
X Z
Thorn...@yahoo.com
> Los txog rau thaum pom cov WKL no lawm ces ..kuv xav tias nws lo lus
> uas hais tias Hlub Hmoob ,cawm Hmoob, pab Hmoob...yog lus puv qhov
> nkauj es lam hais dag kom cov neeg nteeg es yawg tau zoo mus
Sinwung ed, ua li cas es koj sim siv tag kev cia siab rau yawg hlob
dyd lawm maj! Es koj xav tias cia dag kom Hmoob tuag li vp thiaj li
yog hlub Hmoob xwb no lov, los yog hlub Hmoob yog hlub li cas ned?
Ntuj awd, kuv xav hais tias nim no peb twb tuaj nyob USA lawm, peb
yuav tau xyaum ua li luag ua thiab, piv li tias yog peb pom tub sab
los peb yuav tau hu rau tub ceev xwm, peb mus tua na tua mua lwj nuv
ntse los yog peb pom luag ua yuam cai tsis raug cai lawm peb yuav tsum
tau report rau the authority thiab tsis txhob muab npog nroj ntsuab
tseg. If you truly love your people you would not allow a godam man
destroys them would you or are you going to close your eyes pretending
you know nothing and let your people suffer to death? Think deeper to
the root and look beyond the circle otherwise you will not see the
real love.
Zab
The reports say that this HMong leader is the secretary of neohom in
the 70s, senior advisors of neohom before the 80 and quit cuz of diff.
on strategies? Does this fit the description of dyd? We know that
there are more than one spy agents in the reports that is for sure and
it is not just HMong, but american and laos too. There are more than
one HMong spy agents and so others races and there are more than one
occasion. Does it matter if we know there are more than traitors in
the report? Is this going to save your traitor leadership's face a
bit?
Will it make you happy if all hmong just accept the communist policy
and laws, no matter if it is not rule by the law but by force and what
they see is fit and right? Is this the kind of country you wanted to
live in? When you state that you are a neutral it already tell us
that you don't care about Hmong right and you don't care about
progress in any form or shape the same goes for dyd, he always state
that he is a neutral and he never question the cummunist's police and
laws but he only question the Hmong's side only. DYD and you and many
others have said alot of time that every country has their own law and
whether it is right or wrong, you just have to live with it and obey
it even if it is bad in the eyes of the world.
What right do you have over the poor, dumb, old and young and
uneducated for stopping their right and the right to be free like you
and me? You are either part of the solution by siding with the freedom
of the world or the problem by siding with the oppressors of the
communist laos.
amen
Hmong-Lao
Nej tsis muaj tus los comment txog kuv cov analysis rau paragraph 1
txog 8 ces txhais tau hais tias sawvdaws yeej agree li kuv hais lawm
yom. Yog tshuav qhov twg ho xav hais tias kuv hais tsis yog lawm no ho
muab koj li opinion tuaj nawb.
Yog li cia peb ho sib pab tawm tswvyim txuas ntxiv mus.
SIPDIS Playing Rough ------------
9. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (23) expressed strong concern about methods being
used
by both Chao Fa and Neo Hom in the last few months. He referred to Neo
Hom activists who visited the Huay Nam Khao holding camp in February
and recruited ten Chao Fa supporters to return to Laos on a scouting
mission. After spending two weeks in Laos, they reportedly returned to
Huay Nam Khao to tell the activists there was no chance the general
Hmong population in Laos would support an uprising -too many had
achieved economic or political success (with more Hmong now in
government positions than had been the case in 1975 -- ranging from
Politburo Member Madame Pany Yathorthou to cabinet members, governors,
deputy governors, mayors etc.). The activists told the ten scouts they
all needed to go to Bangkok to report this -- and the ten have not
been seen since.
23. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 23 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg. Tabsis nws possible yog referred rau tus Hmong leader.
Vim paragraph no nws hais sib txuas zws mus rau paragraph 10 nram qab
no.
10. (S) XXXXXXXXXXX X (24) also mentioned another contact in Laos who
called
him in the United States in April saying Chao Fa operatives had
visited his home to recruit him to help ambush busses. They left him
40 "files" of information to be passed on to other likely supporters.
He called XXXXXXXXXXXX (25) to ask what to do. XXXXXXXXXXXX (26) told
him to burn
the files and avoid further contact with the Chao Fa operatives. When
XXXXXXXXXXXX (27) arrived in Laos last week, he called the contact
only to
find his number had been disconnected, and the contact is nowhere to
be found.
24. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 24 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog refered rau tus Hmong
leader lawm.
25. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 25 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog refered rau tus Hmong
leader lawm thiab.
26. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 24 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog refered rau tus Hmong
leader thiab.
Direct Mail ----------
11. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (27) assured A/DCM that, before leaving on this
trip
to Laos, he had stopped in Fresno and appeared on a local Hmong radio
program XXXXXXXXXXXX (28) to tell the audience (before the arrests of
the
General Vang Pao group) that actions against the GOL violated U.S.
laws. He believes it important for the Department of State to send
letters to all major Hmong organizations in the United States to
repeat this message to them directly. XXXXXXXXXXXX (29) remembered
former
EAP DAS Matt Daley delivering this message to a conference of Hmong
Americans in 2004 with great impact. XXXXXXXXXXXX (30) pointed out he
appeared on radio programs and at Hmong-American gatherings after this
conference to help repeat Mr. Daley's message.
27. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 27 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog refered rau tus Hmong
leader lawm.
28. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 28 no tsis yog npe neeg lawm. Nws yog ib
lub npe radio program xwb.
29. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 29 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog refered rau tus Hmong
leader thiab.
29. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 29 no tsis paub tseeb hais tias referred
rau leej twg thiab. Tabsis ntxim li yuav yog referred rau tus Hmong
leader thiab.
Raws li kuv totaub, muaj ib tug neeg txheeb ze nyob rau tid ub tau
ntaus xov tuaj nug tus leader seb nws yuav pom zoo kom tus tim Nplog
koom tes los tsis koom. Thiab qhia txog tej xwm txheej ua yuav
tshwmsim no rau tus leader. Tus leader thiaj li tau muaj kev txhawj
xeeb txog tus txheeb ze thiab ib tsoom Hmoov heev, nws thiaj li tau
mus kiag lawm tid es mus nrog cov txheeb ze no tham kom tsis txhob lam
raus tes rau tej haujlwm zoo li no. Ua ntej nws yuav mus, nws kuj tau
mus tshaj xov tooj cua kom cov tim no los yuav tsum tsis txhob lam ua
tej yam zoo li ntawd, vim nws txhaum kev cai nyob rau lub tebchaws no.
Hmoov tsis muaj, thaum nws mus txog thiab tseem nyob rau tid ces luag
FBI cia li ho ntes cov tim no lawm tiag, yeeb vim FBI twb yeej soj los
tau ntau xyoo lawm (raws li xov xwm hais tawm), thiab paub hais tias
tej xwm txheej no yuav tshwmsim sai sai. Thaum no, FBI thiaj li ntaus
xov mus rau US embassy (A/DCM) nyob rau LPDR kom nrog xwj tej xwm
txheej no. Ces ntxab ntxawm tus leader no nyob rau tid, luag thiaj li
tau coj nws mus nug. Note: A/DCM los tsis yog nug tus leader xwb, lawv
kuj tau nug LPDR ib tug important officer thiab.
Li kuv twb hais ib zaug lawm, luag cov investigator no mas ntse cuag
dab xwb. Thaum luag coj yus mus nug ces luag twb muab yus thom uas nti
tsis taus li lawm. Thaum no ces kawg teb hais tias "aws yog" no xwb.
Cia kuv lam twv hais tias vim li cas tus leader no ho nti tsis taus.
Vim luag nug hais tias ua li cas koj ho hais cov lus sam hwm Hmoob uas
koj hais ntawd ua ntej koj los rau Laos? Thaum no ces yus tws kev ces
kawg yuav tau qhia xwb las as. Tabsis zoo uas tus leader ntawv zais
tau tus txheb ze ua hu xov tooj tuaj thiab hais tias cov ntaub ntawv
raug muab destroyed tag lawm; tsis li ntawd mas ntshe tseem yuav muaj
teebmeem loj heev, tsis hais cov sib tim no los sab tim Laos.
So far, there is no line indicating that this leader reported Neo Hom
& Chao Fah to LPDR or FBI prior to the arrest. What is your opinion?
To be continued.......
HL
Noogqejqawg
Ca kuv share kuv txuj kev xaav rua koj hab saib koj puas pum le caag
ntxiv.
Ib haiv neeg yuav tseev kuas txhua leej txhua tug coj ib yaam nkaus
taag nrho mas yeej impossible. Has txug social and political issues
mas haj yam ntxhuv (complex). Thaus leej twg hlaa nrim dleb heev kws
suav dlawg muaj povthawj, timkhawv lawd (example= the wikileaks) yuav
tsum tig rov lug luj tej xwm ntawd kuas meejx, togx hab pheejxeeb kuas
txaus. For sure cov Neo Hom hab cov Caubfab yuav tsum mob sab tawm sis
tsi txhob moog chim sab dlhau nrim es ca le npau chiv chawj puam lam,
ca le has lug tsi saib tom ntej tom qaab, ca le muab luas cais tawm
ntawm yug haiv neeg le lawm. Coj zoo le nuav, in my humble opinion,
tsuas muaj kev puam tsuaj rov rua yug ntxiv xwb, yeej paab tsi tau
dlaab tsi ntxiv hlo le. I think that there are a lot of good and
harmoneous ways in which we can avoid such problem in ther future by
taking more cautious and peaceful steps to overcome such problems
instead.
Yog leej twg tsi agree le yug has hab xaav ces txawm siv muab tug
ntawd lawb kag tawm huv yug haiv neeg, le peb pum coob tug has huv
nuav mas kuv xaam pum tas cov ntawd just make a fool of themselves. In
a way, they are the true traitors, rau qhov txuj kev yug txhum lug ua
Hmoob lawd yeej tsis muaj leej twg los sis ib txuj cai qhov twg lug
moog tshwj, nrauj los sis lawb ib tug Hmoob tawm huv haiv neeg Hmoob
hlo le. Mej sim ua zoo luj saib txuj kev kws Moob caj tsi taug haiv
puas yog vim muaj cov neeg sab nqaim, khibxeeb hab limham le kuv has
lug sau toj nuav maj?
Peb suav dlawg yuav tsum tau xyum coj lub sab luj, sab dlaav, sab zoo
hab muaj kev hlub txhua leej txhua tug Hmoob los sis txhua tug neeg
huv yug haiv mas txhaj le caj taug haiv nawb, kuv xaav naj. Leej twg
coj dlhau nrim hwv lawd los yuav tau nrhav kev qhuab ntuag kuas tug
ntawd raag hab thimxaav lug ua neeg zoo, muaj kev pheejxeeb, ncaaj
nceeg hab hlub yug haiv neeg kuas ti txhaa mas txhaj le yuav moog
taug.
Ua tsaug,
nqq
Hmong-Lao
PY nqq,
Koj cov lus yeej hais yog lus kawg nkaus lawm. Ua tsaug rau koj cov
lus. Leej twg muaj pluaj siab ntxub ntxaug ib tug Hmoob, iab liam puas
tsav puas yam rau ib tug Hmoob, tsis saib qhov kom meej xyuas qhov kom
tseeb, cia li lam qw ua vaj ua vos kom sawvdaws ntxub ib tug Hmoob,
tus ntawd ntag yog Hmoob tus traitor.
PY xavzoo,
Ua tsaug rau koj cov lus thiab. Li cas los koj tus uas muaj pluaj siab
hlub Hmoob thiab thoob tsib to nrog yuav tau pab nrog kuv nthuav qhov
tseeb rau sawvdaw pom nawb.
PY sinwung & Zab,
Kuv yeej totaub nej txoj kev ntshaw thiab totaub txog nej qhov kev
totaub yuam kev txog ntawm qhov wikileak no nawb, kuv los yeej tsis
nyiam tus neeg ntxeev siab tibyam li swvdaws thiab od. Tabsis peb yuav
tau xyuas kom tseeb thiab saib kom zoo. Tsis txhob rawm ntau nqi li ub
li no kom ib tug Hmoob twg lub zog hlub Hmoob ntaug mog. Nej qhau tau
DYD ntog los peb yuav tsis tau txiaj ntsim dabtsi nawb, qhov tau ces
yog kev tawg tshwj ntawm peb haiv Hmoob xwb mog. Kuv ntseeg hais tias
peb txhua txhua tus Hmoob yeej tsis xav kom Hmoob sib tawg, puas yog?
Ua siab ntev nrog kuv tawm tswvyim thiab faib neb txoj kev xav rau ib
nqe zujzus seb yog li cas rau li cas nawb. Tsis txhob ntaus nqi based
on lub title "HMONG-AMERICAN LEADER PROVIDES INSIGHTS INTO COUP PLOT,
ASKS
FOR PROTECTION" no xwb.
HL
vimhlub
> Yog hais tias tus ntawd yog DYD tiag mas ntsias mus ib sab kuj tsis
> zoo, tiam sis ib sab kuj zoo thiab vim nws pab cheem tau qhov
> operation pop corn. Qhov hauj lwm ntawd zoo li me nyuam yaus ua xwb
> es. Zoo rau qhov tsis tau nqes tes. Yog nqes tes ua mas ntshe cov
Yingb,
Operation Popcorn would never happen. It does not take much brain to
see its impossibility.
The "operation" was a fable drawn up by the government to take VP out
so that a new Hmong leader could be installed. Realize that the
"operation" was drafted per instructions of the "agent". The
government dismissed the case because they realized that their agent
had more of a hand in the "operation" than the Hmong did. Had the
trial take place, it would cause embarassment for the government and
xxxxxx.
Originally, the government's intent was to take VP out and to smear
VP's name in the process so that 1. Hmong will be forever weakened/
ashamed; 2. Laos can serve US interest; and 3. a new Hmong leader
can be installed to be the government's dog to work with Laos.
It appeared everything did not go according to plan. Hmong did not
abandon VP as imagined, despite what the government said/did. That
made it difficult for xxxxx to be called as the government's star
witness and "save" Hmong from total embarassment; thereby propelling
xxxxx as the new Hmong leader.
The government did achieve goal #2 by smearing and smothering VP (per
the government cable via WikiLeaks). After VP died, the government
believed it would be inevitable that all its aims would be achieved.
So, all charges were dropped. Too bad that wikileaks had to spoil the
government and xxxxxx's plan.
Zab
you go tell that to dyd and your communist goverment, what do they
gain from killing hmong and taking hmong down? don't tell that to us,
we haven't done anything wrong, all we do was run away from danger and
protect us. the damage has been done and you wanted the hmong to just
forget it? If you and your leader would be smart enough in the first
place then there wont be any people dying. What you trying to tell us
that we should not do anything and just let you beat the hell out of
us cuz it won't benefit us if we beat u too. If you smart enough, u
would understand of the affect to mankind. If u don't know how
painful to be in chaofa's or the hmong's shoes then beat the hell out
of u and burn you alive and see how u feel about it. so next time u
will know how to talk and react.
amen
Xavzoo
Yog txhua leej tuav tau li koj cov lus hais rau Sinwung no xwb ces zoo
siv lwm nawb, kuv los yeej kawg yoog koj, lwm leej phoojywg los yuav
tsum yoog tau, leejtwg tsis coj zoo los tsuav koj coj zoo thiab kuv
pib coj zoo ces twb muaj 2 leeg ua ntej lawm los mas...
Tej tim khawv sawvdaws hais thiab pheej analyze tas li los kuv yeej
nkagsiab ib yam sawvdaws, tabsis tsis nrog nej tham, kuv ntseeg tias
qhov tseeb tseem tsis tau tawm tas uas tsis yog kuv li haujlwm. Twb
hais rau sawvdaws lawm tias peb tsis mus kotaw saum Huab, peb tus
hneevtaw yeej tsuj rau neeg pom, cia sawvdaws soj seb yus tsuj li cas.
Koj hais zoo lawm, kuv qhuas koj nawb nqq, ciasiab tias yuav tsis pom
koj lub kub thiab kuv lub tsiv ntxiv lawm.
HL,
Koj tham feem ntau yeej zoo txaus siv thiab mas, yus pab kwvtij Hmoob
coob coob ces yeej muaj tej thaum dawm nawb, koj tus quas puj kag xwb
los tej tsam twb yuv luag tau cais txaj, mam ua saab ntev peb thiaj
tseem muaj cov kwvtij Hmoob coj zoo coob tus ua qhov pub.
Zab,
Koj yeej paub lawm tabsis kuv tsuas ntos ib lo rau koj tias ntev thiab
zam mentsis nawb, cia yus ua tus xub hlub luag seb puas muaj qhov zoo
tom ntej, cia yus ua tus swb qee zaus kom muaj qhov sib yoog tau.
Tsuas yog koj lub fake npe xwb thiaj zes sawvdaws, tabsis tabtom zoo
rau tus yeebncuab tsis pom koj lw. Kuv thiab ib txhia twb tsis ntaus
nqe rau koj li cas. Tsam no txog sijhawm xuav hu peb tej kwvtij Hmoob
thoob ntuj kom sawv ntsia ntiajteb txoj kev nrhiav cai ua neej lawm
koj txhob tusiab rau sawvdaws nawb. Ntsib thaum twg mam tham qhov koj
tos tos.
X Z
cwjmem
Kuv xav kom sawv daws totaub hais tias "NYUJ UA NYUJ THAUJ, NEES UA
NEES RIS", tus neeg LIM HIAM txhob tseg nws ntsej nws muag. You peb
pheej yuav "GLORIFY CRIMINAL" ces tus neeg no yeej yuav ua mus txiv
tsis paub kawg li.
Yang Dao, tsis txheeb tsis ze kuv, nws yeej tsis tau ua phem dab tsi
rau kuv, tab sis qhov taug xaiv, dag rau luag lwm haiv neeg, tuaj blog
liab sab, los txom peb cov Hmoob mus kaw yam tsis muaj kev txuam, muaj
pov thawj dab tsis. Thaum kawg, cov neeg 12 leeg no muab tso tawm yam
tsis muaj txim txhaum dab tsis. Qhov no Yang Dao yog Hmoob tus TRAITOR
lawm tiag. Tsa taw tuam ntuj yam tsis ntshai leej twg, lub ntuj luab
teb li ntag. Tus neeg no, siab nyoo kawg nkaus nawb cov yawg. Yog
kuv yog nws cov phoooj ywg kiag ntawm nws ib sab, los kuv yeej ntsai
nrog nws noj MOV haus DEJ ua ke lawm ntag laiv.
GVP, Neohom, thiab lawm pab yeej tuaj dag Hmoob nyiaj hais tias mus ua
teb ua chaw no. Qhov no los kuv yeej tsis tuaj lawv sab thiab. Dag
cov Laus nyiaj los siv lawm ntau xyoo, Hmoob tsis ntseeg lawm, no ces
ho nrhiav lwm txoj kev coj los dag yuav nyiaj dua. Cov neeg ua tuaj
sau nyiaj ua txog qhov no, xws li VP cov kwvtij Hmoob Vaj nyob Detroit
yuav tau ob peb lub tsev, tseem own ib lub WHOLESALE thib, ho cov nyob
rau Minnesota los muaj ob peb lub tsev lawm thiab. Cov nyiaj pab los
ntawm cov Hmoob,lawv coj mus ua si rau Thaib teb xwb, mus tsis txog
rau blog teb nawb.
Qhov sib txawv lwm pab pawg Hmoob political groups, lwm pab lwm pawg
THOV Hmoob nyiaj xwb, TUS lawb ntxias tau (yeem) lawm, lawv muab li
cas los Neohom, thiab lwm pab lwm pawg yuav li ntawm, lawv tsis tau
mus TAUG XAIV rau Blog los Meka kom txom ib tug Hmoob twg li nawb.
Piv tau hais tias cov Hmoob cov Political groups no yeej tsis tau
NTXEEV siab rau Hmoob li.
Yang Dao, tsuas yog nws thov nws cov kwvtij pab xwb, tab sis nws XA
XOV rau blog, muab Hmoob cov tub kawm txawj ntxais kawm ntse, BS,
MASTER, MD, PHD (kev lub be nyob rau hauv Yang Dao daim list los tsis
paub) mus rau blog, hais tias nws pab tau Hmoob mus kawm ntawv coob
baum li no, yog blog tso nws mus, mas nws yuav pb tau blog ntau heev.
Taug xaiv twj ywm rau blog, taug xaiv rau Meka, muab 12 leej Hmoob ib
tug Meka txom, dag hais tias Hmoob mas niam muaj bases nyob rau
Thaibteb yuav los tua blog, blog tua Hmoob ntau tus tuag lawm coob
nyob rau Thaibteb thaib Lostsuas teb. Thaum kawg, Meka tso 12 tawm
yam tsis muaj POVTHAWJ dab sis uas raws li Yang Dao hais. YANG DO IS
A TRUE HMONG TRAITOR, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. HE SHOULD BE TREATED AS A
BLACK SHEEP OF HMONG FAMILY.
Keeb kwm twb qhia peb los lawm hais tias, nyob rau SUAV teb, hmoob
noob qe luaj li taum daj twb rau SUAV muab tua tag, tab sis peb cov
Pog Hmoob, qhia lus Hmoob rau peb cov yawg koob, muab Hmoob ntaub
ntawv xaws los ua paj ntaub, muab hmoob keeb kws los ua kwv txhiaj
hais (ntuj teb tag qha ncua), muab ua zaj qeej tshuab. Lawv ua li no
los cawm peb Hmoob los txog niaj Hnub no. Peb thiaj tseem muaj ib haiv
neeg nyob rau ntiaj teb. Muab xav los rau peb HAIV hmoob mas tu siab
kawg, tsis tsim nyog yuav los tsis NTXEEV SIAB (traitor) rau Hmoob
lawm.
Hmong-lao, my analization!
1. Koj xav li cas yog hais tias GVP mus nyoo kiag rau Blog liab es nws
tsis khiav tuaj rau teb chaws no, peb puas tseem yuav muaj ib tug
Hmoob nyob rau teb chaws no? Blog los lus hais tias "TSOV ROG TAG,
HMONG TUAG" no qhov no Hmoob puas yuav tau tua, tus noob qhe luaj taum
daj puas tseem yuav muaj nyob rau Lostsuas teb?
2. Yog Lytek txhob tua Hmoob nyob rau ntawm tus CHOJ Hinheup, koj puas
xav hais tias puas yauv muaj Cobfab tawm tsam lawv txoj sia nyob rau
hav zoo hav tsua? Kuv xav mas, 90% puas yuav tawm teb chaws blog tag,
yuav tsis muaj tus tos tuag rau hav zoo hav tsuag, poob dej naj khoom,
peb cov kwv covtij los tseem nrog peb nyob coob. Tsis muaj Hmoob
txeeb zem nyob rau los tsuas lawm, peb tsuas mus ua P**M xwb laiv.
3. Puas yuav muaj Neohom, Langxang democracy, chaofa, etc. uas yuav
los cawm leej twg lawm, nyob rau lostsuas teb.
Hmong-Lao
PY Cwjmem,
Koj cov lus nug tsis nkag kis rau lup topic lawm, tabsis txawm li
ntawv los cia kuv tej koj ob peb los li no:
1. Yog GVP tsis khiav los yeej tseem muaj Hmoob khiav tuaj nyob
tebchaws no anyway, tabsis tejzaum yuav tsawg zog lossis coob zog los
kuj tsis paub.
Hos lo lus "Seurk Leo Meo Dap" no yog political term xwb. Nws possible
yog tog Nplog Liab lossis tog Nplog Dawb ua tus tawm lub tswvyim hais
lo lus no tawm. Tsis xav tham ntau, tham ntau ces zoo li yus pheej
yuav rov cem yus thiab xwb.
2. Nqe no, cia kuv teb koj li no: Ua ntej GVP khiav tawm tebchaws, peb
twb npaj mus teevhawm tswvntuj (Caubfab) lawm.
3. Yuav tsum muaj li nawb hais txog tej koomhaum yuav txeeb tebchaws
rov qab os.
Tsuas lam teb koj me me li no xwb. Cia peb rov mus tham kom nkag rau
lub topic dua.
HL
tseemyeej
On May 9, 7:50 am, Hmong-Lao <Hmlao...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> PY Cwjmem,
> 2. Nqe no, cia kuv teb koj li no: Ua ntej GVP khiav tawm tebchaws, peb
> twb npaj mus teevhawm tswvntuj (Caubfab) lawm.
Koj tus me phoojywg CwjSoQuav no ces yaim dr. pao lub nplos qhovquav
xwb. Chivthawj dr.pao tsis paub ces thiaj yaim Hmoob KubXaj lub nplos
qho quav, tsam no nws paub tseeb lawm ces nws xum mus yaim maum Nplog
lub qhov lawm. Hos yawm CwjSovQuav ces, tsis muaj title, thiaj lam
xuas qhov ncauj ua pag-g tim Meskas no. Nyob nyob nqhis ces lam
nyiagnyiag mus yaim Hmoob Nplog nplaig puav xwb. Nkawd qhov muag
ntsaws nkawd 2ceg lawm thiaj pom tias kev tawm mus Thaibteb yog
HinhHeup xwb no nav.
Hmoob Luangprabang, Hmoob Xayaboury, Hmoob PhwvNyawm, Hmoob
Roobkubtwm, Hmoob MoosNyaj, Hmoob Khamkeuth sawv ua CaubFab yog vim
hla tsis dhau tus Choj HinhHeup thiav lov? Puas yog vim cov nyuag
KubXaj lub tswv yim xav muaj teb muaj chaw maj? ( xav paub, rov mus
nyeem Victor Yang cov lus ces totaub zoo txog Hmoob koj kev DAG kaws
Hmoob hlwb).
TseemYeej.
sinwung
>
> - Show quoted text -
HL thiab NQQ,
Kuv hais no tsuas yog hais txog tus neeg uas reported rau Blogliab
tua Hmoob thiab reported rau Bgoliab txog Hmoob cov Koomhaum yuav ua
li cas rau Blogliab ....
DYD txawm yuav mus Blog yeej tsis muaj neeg txiav tab sis txhob mus
dag ....kom Hmoob tuag.
Reported tias muaj 500 tus Neohom nyob White Water no puas muaj
mas ???
Ua lwm tus Dag Hmoob tuag twb txaus lawm ua cas nws twb yog ib tug
PhD ... tseem zoo li cov niag sawv tom hav nyom los thiab xwb
Hmoob mas yeejyuav tsis ua li cas rau nws ...ntshe nws lam ntshai
Hmoob lawm xwb os.
HL, peb tsis tas yuav muab anology ntxiv baum li cas ..just look @
the last sentence on the last Paragraph. kuv tsis paub tias saib koj
yog leej twg thiab ho paub yawg zoo tshaj kuv baum cas xwb .
Kuv thiab yawg tsev neeg peb ces twb tsis pom qab yuav hu lawm vim
ntxheeb ntau heev lawm. Tabsis kuv yeej xav tias yog tus neeg coj zoo
li no mas nws yog tus neeg OPPORTUNIST xwb.
Peb twb pom tias VP yog tus neeg coj tsis zoo ntau yam thiaj tos tus
uas muaj txujci.... no uas cas tseem zoo nkaus li tus qub thiab ...
tham li no tabsis yeej tsis tau txiav nws txoj kev...
Hmong-Lao
Los peb sib cog xav thiab soj ntsuam txuas mus ntxiv.
Fresno -----
12. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (30) also told A/DCM he has heard from his family
that
he is being invited to address a gathering of Hmong Americans in
Fresno when he returns to the United States. (Note: he departs
Vientiane tonight -- June 11). However, he is unwilling to do so
without protection from the local police and/or FBI. Since he appears
to be willing to deliver to the Hmong American community a strong
message against helping the insurgency, supporting him would appear to
be in USG interests.
30. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 30 no ntxim li yuav yog referred rau tus
Hmong
leader lawm.
Action Requests --------------
13. (S) We recommend that the Department take the following actions:
a) instruct Embassy Bangkok to coordinate with Thai authorities to
check on the company named in para 5 (Borisat Wang Jing) and the
several Hmong leaders currently living in Thailand mentioned in paras
5, 6, and 8. b) consider the proposal for letters from the Department
to the main Hmong organizations in the United States delivering the
message stated by EAP DAS Daley in 2004: that support of attempts to
overthrow the GOL violate U.S. laws. c) pass on to the FBI
XXXXXXXXXXXX's (31) request for protection if he addresses a gathering
of
Hmong Americans in Fresno California, a central location for General
Vang Pao supporters. XXXXXXXXXXXX (32) may be reached at phone number:
(XXXXXXXXXXXX (33). XXXXXXXXXXXX (34) may be able to provide valuable
information to the FBI regarding the inner workings of these Hmong
organizations which may assist the ongoing FBI investigation(s).
31. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 31 no ntxim li yuav yog referred rau tus
Hmong
leader lawm.
32. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 32 no ntxim li yuav yog referred rau tus
Hmong
leader lawm.
33. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 33 no referred rau tus leader tus xoj
tooj xwb.
34. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 34 no ntxim li yuav yog referred rau tus
Hmong
leader lawm.
COMMENT ------
14. (S) XXXXXXXXXXXX (35) knows all of these players well -- he was a
political advisor to General Vang Pao before 1975 and was briefly a
senior official in the Neo Hom organization in the early 1980s before
he broke with Neo Hom over tactics. It is of course likely that he is
attempting a balancing act: using this opportunity to enhance his
position within the Hmong-American community and furthering his own
personal agenda while also attempting to keep the Hmong-American
community within the confines of U.S. law. Nonetheless, the message he
seems willing to deliver is a message we need repeated in the Hmong-
American community, so the Embassy recommends the Department follow up
on his information and suggestions.
MCGEEHAN
=======================CABLE ENDS============================
35. Qhov XXXXXXXXXXXXXX thib 35 no qhia meej meej hais tias yog
referred rau tus Hmong
leader twg kiag lawm.
Cov phoojywg,
Hais ces zoo li kuv pheej defend tus leader no tas zog xwb. Tabsis qov
tseeb, kuv tsis xav kom peb totaub yuam kev, tsis xav kom peb mag luag
lub tom txwv, tsis xav kom Hmoob sig tawg. Yog li ntawd, kuv thiaj ua
zaj ua ntxeev hais kom peb luj kom tseeb tseeb thiab saib kom meej
meej ua ntej peb taw tes rau ib leej twg hais tias nws yog tus mus
foob rau LPDR or FBI.
Raws li kuv muab ua twb zoo luj thiab muab cov lus ntsuas thiab sib
piv ces cov lus nyob rau tsab cable leak no yeej tsis tau qhia meej
hais tias tus leader no tau mus report rau USG lossis LPDR li. Raws li
kuv niag pejxeem ruam ruam no xav thiab totaub, luag yeej soj tau hais
tias pab pawg Neo Hom & CaubFab yeej tsis ntseeg tus leader no, luag
thiaj kom nws los hais lus cheem kom Hmoob ua siab tus tus. Tabsis nws
los yeej teb nkag rau luag kis kawg nkaus, teb hais tias nws yeej kam
hais, tabsis yuav tsum yog USG nrhiav police/FBI tiv thaiv nws. Tsis
tag li ntawd, ua ntej nws mus rau tim Nplog, nws kuj tau hais xov tooj
cua kom Hmoob nyob tus tus tsis txob lam ua tej yam txhaum cai. Ob
qhov no cia li ua rau luag tau ko los xoom xaim nws ces luag thiaj li
zoo coj nws mus nug ntau yam as an additional source.
Nej yuav ntseeg thiab tsis ntseeg los qhov tseeb yeej tseem yog qhov
tseeb, hais tias GVP & DYD nkawv yog ob tug thawj coj uas Hmoob cia
siab rau tshajplaws. Nyob rau Hmoob cov event loj loj, yog GVP tsis
yog tus los hais lus ces yuav tsum yog DYD yog tus los hais lus. Tsis
li ntawd ces yuav tsum yog cov uas GVP tso tuaj hais lus tam nws. Zaum
no, luag ntes GVP, es ho ua txoj ua tej info no leak kom Hmoob to taub
yuam kev hais tias DYD yog tus ntxeev siab rau Hmoob. Qhov no ces yog
luag lub tom txwv uas txov Hmoob tej leeg tes leeg taw ntag los Hmoob
twb tsis paub. Txaus tu siab heev os cov me phoojywg Hmoob. Yeeb vim
muaj daim nyaug ntaub (political difference) ntawd yus pawg nyuag
Hmoob los muab peb tej qhov muag plooj tag lawm; peb thiaj saib npaum
twg, ntsia npaum cas los thiaj tsom tsis pom luag lub tom txwv los kem
Hmoob hlabpas no.
Zaum no ces luag muab Hmoob roj rov los kib Hmoob txhav, luag tua tib
phom xwb Hmoob lov lawm ob tug zoo tav; luag muab Hmoob nqaij los
tsaws xyaw Hmoob roj, luag tuag tib phom xwb ces ntob nkaus Hmoob ob
tug zoo thawj coj!
HL
Hmong-Lao
PY sinwung,
Paragraph kawg ntawd yog ib qho intentional hint uas luag (US embassy
in Vientiane or A/DCM = Agency of Diplomatic Cable Messaging or SIPDIS
= Secrete Intenet Protocal Router Network) muab los tso rau kom peb
paub hais tias tus leader ntawv yog leej twg kiag. Luas ua ntse npaum
li no kom luag tsis tau violate the US law li, luag cia koj thiab kuv
mam tuav tus leader lub npe xwb ces kom luag dim.
Ib qhov ntxiv, peb paub txog wikileak tob thiab zoo npaum li cas? Raws
li kuv tus niag ruam no xav, wikileak ces yog ib feem ntawm US
government tej tom txwv qab rooj ntag. Yog yam uas yuav damage lub
tebchaws USA no mas luag yeej tsis lam tso tawm kiag, luag tsuas tso
tawm yam uas yuav benifit lub tebchaws USA no nkaus nkaus xwb.
Think about it! Qhov uas Hmoob niaj hnub qw hais tias tim US es Hmoob
thiaj tshuav ib co tub rog Hmoob poob tom qab hla tsis tau los rau
txawv tebchaws. Tej lus no puas yog truth? Tej lus no puas benefit US?
The answers are NO. Tej lus o puas muaj damage rau USG? The answer is
YES. Yog li ntawd, luag yuav tsum get rid off Hmong. To get rid of
Hmong, they should create some kind of division among Hmong. Thaum
Hmoob divide lawm, Hmoob ua tsis tau ib yam dabtsi peem tsheej li
lawm. Puas yog? Ceevfaj nawb cov kwvtij, teebmeem rhuav tshem Hmoob
txoj kev koom siab tseem nyuam qhuav pib xwb mog. Be prepaired for the
worse.
Sorry, kuv yog US citizen tiag, tabsis yog thaum USG ua kom kuv family
(tsav neeg) sib tawg lawm, kuv xum tuaj kuv tsav neeg tog, tsis xum
tuaj USG tog. How about you? Ua li koj yuav tuaj USG & LPDR tog, cuab
tsuas npuj kom yus tus Hmoob ti nkaus ntsa no lod?
Kuv nug nej cov Chao Fa Federation thiab Congress Hmong World(s) hais
tias, nej qhau tau GVP, DYD, H18X, COHR etc... ntog tag es nej ho yuav
tau dabtsi? Nej xav hais tias lawv yog cov khuam nej kev heev no los?
Sorry, zaum no kuv hais nyhav heev rau nej, tabsis thov nej ua twb zoo
xav nawb.
HL
Noogqejqawg
thim xav txog tej no. Tawm sis ntxim zoo li peb Hmoob mas nyiamx muab
yus tus ntawm yus ntiag tsuav ua nqaim tuamxeeb kawg li.
nqq
Zab
koj yog neeg ntse los koj yog neeg ruam na es koj thiaj li tuaj hais
kom peb tsis txob hais txog koj tus leader los yog koj pab pawg li hos
cia koj pab pawg ua phem rau hmoob, foob rau nplog, foob rau fbi rau
state department ho yog leej twg hais me me xwb no ces koj yuav tsis
pub hais no na. Kuv xav kom koj direct koj cov lus ko mus rau koj tus
leader, koj pab koj pawg hais kom lawv tsis txhob qhau qhau hmoob lawm
no na. Lawv qhau hmoob ntog es lawv ho tau ab tsi no na. Peb tsis tau
qhau dr yang dao los yog vp los yog chao fa, los lwm tus hmoob li, tab
sis yog vim li cas koj tus leader traitors pheej yuav xav kom nws tau
nom ua luaj li es muab zong zua her tua kiag, xeng xiong tua, txooj
muas vaj tua, pa kao her tua, yang teng tua, yaj thaum thawj tua,
pakao moua tua, vp ntes kaw, tej no tag nro yog koj tus leader yog tus
ua xwb. ntag nro cov neeg hmoob leaders no yog koj tus traitors leader
yog tus foob rau nplog, qhia rau nplog tua lawv tuag tag cas koj tsis
hais nws ib los li. Ziag no lawv tuag tuag lawm, koj tus leader ho tau
ab tsi? Tau lub nyuag medal ntawm nplog liab xwb es ho zoo ab tsi? nws
puas muaj nqis thiab? Koj tus leader thiab koj nej pab uas tuaj nplog
liab tog xwb ua cas ho muaj ntsej muag mus txais meskas lub medal uas
muab ua Hmoob tug, txiaj ntsim rau hmoob txoj kev pab meskas, Ua cas
nej ho muaj ntsej muag mus nqa lub medal no mus tso rau tom nej tsev?
Lub medal no yog HMOob tug na, tsis yog nej cov uas tuaj nplog sab tug
na? Lub medal meskas muab no yog HMoob li, tsis yog ib tug twg li na
cas ho coj mus zais rau nej cov tuaj plog sab xwb?
Yog yus yuav hais lwm tus yuav tsum tau paub seb yus ho coj li cas, ua
li cas pob. Cov ntsej muag dev, siab dev, coj li tus tshiaj, li nej
pab pawg no thiaj li muaj lub siab phem, siab tua hmoob cov thawj coj
xwb. Yog nej paub tias qhau Hmob ntog tsis tau ab tsi cas nej thiaj li
qhia plog mus tua cov hmoob leaders no thiab qhau hmoob ua hnub ua hmo
xwb?
amen
sinwung
HL,
> Paragraph kawg ntawd yog ib qho intentional hint uas luag (US embassy
> in Vientiane or A/DCM = Agency of Diplomatic Cable Messaging or SIPDIS
> = Secrete Intenet Protocal Router Network) muab los tso rau kom peb
> paub hais tias tus leader ntawv yog leej twg kiag. Luas ua ntse npaum
> li no kom luag tsis tau violate the US law li, luag cia koj thiab kuv
> mam tuav tus leader lub npe xwb ces kom luag dim.
Yog vim li cas koj thiaj li yuav assume hais tias yog US ua tus tsim
cov lus LUs No ??? DYD twb tsis muaj dab tsi nrog US government ?
Vim li cas luag ho yuav ua kom Hmoob nrhiav kev sib ntxub rau yawg ??
Qhov benifit los ntawd cov lus no los ho yuav muaj ntau baum licas rau
US government??? Nothing.
Yog Hmoob sib khib Hmoob , Hmoob sibtua Hmoob mas muaj...yuav kom US
nrog Hmoob tawm tswvyim nrog ua mas... tsuas yog koj xav xwb.
US yuav ua kom Hmoob tawg ...tsi muaj! Hmoob twb tsi muaj qhov
nyiaj ,qhov roj los yog qhov kub nas yuav ua tau tus dab tsi. Very
weak evidences to suppress your claim.
Yog US yuav ua li koj hais ...36 xyoo los lawm.. US yeej ua lawm.
Hmoob cov tub rog uas poob tom qab ..tuaj tis tau ntawd means nada rau
lawv?? It's a rain drop at the ocean for the US.
"""""Kuv nug nej cov Chao Fa Federation thiab Congress Hmong World(s)
hais
tias, nej qhau tau GVP, DYD, H18X, COHR etc... ntog tag es nej ho
yuav
tau dabtsi? Nej xav hais tias lawv yog cov khuam nej kev heev no los?
"""""
Kuv teb koj tias Chaofa tsis tau mus Rhuav tshem ib lub koomtxoos twg-
uas kuv paub, tsis tau hais rau Blogliab, los US, los yog Thaib, los
yog Viet tuaj tua , tuaj txo Hmoob li koj kab lus no os..
tab sis lub ntsiab lus nyaj tsuas yog ua kom Haiv Neeg nyob rau lub
Tebchaws Blog muaj kev noj- kev hau thiab nrog luag muaj vaj huam sib
luag xwb...tsis tas li ntawd tsis yog ua rau Chaofa ib leeg , tsis yog
ua rau Hmoob ib Haiv...tabsis yog ua rau 6.5 roob tus pejxeem nyob
hauv daim av Blog.
Xavzoo
> Kuv nug nej cov Chao Fa Federation thiab Congress Hmong World(s) hais
> tias, nej qhau tau GVP, DYD, H18X, COHR etc... ntog tag es nej ho yuav
> tau dabtsi? Nej xav hais tias lawv yog cov khuam nej kev heev no los?
HL,
Kuv xav ib yam li koj xav feem ntau, qhov sib txawv ces yog nqe lus
nram kawg. Koj tau hais ib lo tias luag ua txujci tuaj faib peb Hmoob
kom tawg tshwj, koj yuav tau saib nqe lus no tseem ceeb. Koj tabtom
hais txog tias cov Caubfab Federated State thiab Congress of World
Hmong qhau H18X, DYD thiab GVP, koj puas paub zoo txog tiag ma..? Koj
yuav tau paub zoo zoo tias leejtwg qhau leejtwg koj mam hais thiaj
tsis ua rau Hmoob tawg nawb. Vim muaj ib txhia paub txog qhov tseeb
tias leej twg ua dabtsi..?
Raws li peb sawvdaws tau hnov cov lus uas YTK muab tso tawm rau peb
mloog txog DYD thiab Cov tub sawv cev Hmong Caubfab, twb yeej muaj
tseeb tseeb li tej peb tau hnov lawm, yog leejtwg xub rhuav leejtwg
tiag tiag, leejtwg xub hais cov lus tawm rau public rhuav leejtwg? Kom
peb cov nyeem txawj txawj nyeem thiab kom peb cov mloog txawj txawj
mloog txhob take side. Cia nyias ua rau nyias ris, nyias ua kom txog
nyias lub hom phiaj tabsis tsis txhob sib rhuav li peb pom DYD rhuav
Hmoob Caubfab, ces Hmoob Caubfab ho tuav tiv thaiv.
Peb yeej tseem cia cia siab rau cov tus kawm txawj kawm ntse kawg li
tabsis puas yuav tso tau siab rau sawvdaws thaum hais tej lus uas yus
tus kheej siv xwb. Yus tsis paub txog luag qhov raug tsim txom, yus
tsis paub txog luab lub rwj ncu, tsis paub txog luag tus kab noj
hniav. Thaum sib rhuav rau public lawm kuv xav tias koj rhuav kuv los
tsis zoo, kuv rhuav koj los tsis zoo vim wb tsuas ua rau tus yeebncuab
tau lub hwvtsam yeej xwb, koj wb swb.
Tej Wikileak twb qhia rau cov txawj nyeem, nyias totaub nyias lawm
tsis txhob ua txoj tsis nkag siab li nawb...Leejtwg tsis nyiam kuj mus
cam kiag nrog tus sau tsab Wikileak seb puas txaus yus siab qhua...
Mam tham ntxiv nawb..
X Z
Taumdub
Xavzoo,
Koj hais tau yog lawm. Kuv taug Hmoob Caubfab tus hneev taw txij xyoo
1980 tawm los txog rau hnub no. Kuv yeej paub zoo tias Hmoob caubfab
yeej respect cov neeg txawj ntse kawg. Thaum xyoo 1980 tawm ntawd los
mus, kuv yeej tseem nco ntsoov tias PHK lawv yeej appointed ib tug tub
txawj ntse zoo li Mr XXX ntawd ua ib tug minister nyob rau hauv lawv
txoj lajfai kev teeb tsa. Lub last name kuv yuav tsi qhia nej. Tabsis
lub npe cuav twb hu ua "Txujcoob" no ne. Yog nej leej twg xav tau daim
list kuv mam luam pub dawb rau nej los yeej tau na.
sinwung
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Koj kuj tso tawam los pob...yuav tos thaum twg thiab!!!!
Hmong-Lao
Yog hais li koj hais ces tej zaum koj tseem tsis tau paub txog qov US
xav muaj military tie nrog Nplog. Koj yuav tau tshawb fawb ntxiv
lossis mus nug phoojywg Taumdub. Thiab yuav tau rov mus nyeem tsab
xovxwmt thiab ib qhov wikileak uas tso tawm nrog tsab wikileak uas peb
thamt xog no.
PY Xavzoo,
Tejzaum zag nuav kuv hais tau ib nyuag mob cov uas yog Chao Fa
Federation & Hmong Congress zog lawm. Tabsis luag tej laus hais tias
"ib lub quav tsuag tsuas tas ib tsus hno". Yeebvim nej tso khab theeb
tim puam, tso nej cov neeg tuaj hais lus cem thiab iab liam tus ub tus
no hauv SCH/radio no. Nws ib leeg ua ces yeej puas tag nrho rau nej
lub koomhaum lawm. Ua li cov phoojywg tuaj ua hauv SCH no nws tsis
gain dabtsi, tsuas tau txoj kev sib tawg xwb. Raws li kuv xav, koj
yeej paub tseeb hais tias cov kuv hais no yog leej twg lawm. Lawv ua
puas tsav puas yam cem GVP txog kiag hnug GVP tau tso sawvdaws tseg
lawv mam tsum, tsam no ho tig loo rau DYD. Pom tsawg tus uas ntxim li
yuav sawv tau los coj Hmoob ces lawv yeej nrau tus ntawd ntag. Nrau
lwj nrau liam raug lwm tus sab nrauv lawm los tseem nrau quj qess.
Koj hais txog cov lus uas phoojywg YTK tso, cov lus no ntag uas yog ib
feem ntawm qhov uas kuv hais tias lub koom haum Chao Fa Federation &
Hmong Congress hais lus iab liam lwm tus yam tsis muaj povthawj tim
khawv. Note: Qhov wikileak no tsis tau consider hais tias yog ib qho
pov thawj tim khawv txheem tau lawv cov lus hais tias DYD report rau
FBI & LPDR & koom tes tua cov ex Chao Fa leaders.
Kuv tsis yog lam ua txuj tsis totaub nawb phoojywg, kuv yeej hais raws
li qhov muaj xwb. Yeej muaj tej qhov uas kuv draw kuv own conclusion
uas txawv nej qhov conclusion lawm. Tabsis tej ntawd puav leej yog peb
sawvdaws draw peb li conclusion xwb ne, puas yog? Peb puav leej tsis
paub qhov tseeb, tsis paub tom ntej tom qab, tsis paub qhov cuase es
tus leader no thiaj tau haiv cov lus no rau US embassy ne puas yog?
HL
Noogqejqawg
Mej leej twg puas pum qhov direct link kws tug xxx leader ntawd muab
xuv rua LPDR? Kuv mas kuv tsuas pum tas qhov wikileak ntawd yog U.S.
government le communications txug tej lug tug xxx leader ntawd tau
ntaus xuv rua puab hab puab tau nrug nwg thaam txug tej dlej num kws
Neo Hom hab Chao Fa hab WHC ua xwb. Ua caag es puab yuav lam quas
nreeg tas nwg yog traitor. To me, he is a whistle xwb vim tas peb yog
pejxeem fuabfwm Ameskas, peb yuav tsum nyob huv qaab txuj kev tswj hab
coj ntawm tsoom fwv Meskas. Yog peb Hmoob yuav ua heev npaum le nuav,
kuv txhawj nyob tsaam ces muaj ib nub twg peb tsi muaj chaw dlha xwb
lauv...
nqq
Hmong-Lao
PY Moobsib,
Kuv los kuj tsis pom qhov direct link ntawd thiab. Raws li qhov kuv
totaub txog tsab xov cable leak no mas yog cov xov uas US embassy xa
rov los rau USG kom lawv tso FBI mus nug tus leader no, vim nws kuj ua
tau ntau yam txaus xoom xaim xws li nws mus tshaj xov tooj cua kom
Hmoob tsis txhob koom tes ua tej yam txhaum kev cai ua ntej nws yuav
mus rau tim Nplog, thaum luag kom nws los hais lus cheem Hmoob kom
siab tus, nws tseem kom police & FBI yuav tsum tiv thawv nws mas nws
thiaj kam hais. Dhau qhov ntawd lawm, A/DM kuj hais tias ntxim li tus
leader no yuav qhia qhov tseeb vim nws tsis txhawb nqa txog kev mus
tsim kev kub ntxhov rau lub tebchaws Los Tsuas.
Peb kuj tsis paub qhov tseeb hais tias yog nws lom txwm mus qhia tej
lus no rau US embassy los yog nws rau luag nug thiab tsij es nws thiaj
li tau qhia tej xov no rau US embassy. Tsis tag li ntawd, raws li cov
lus hais mas A/DCM nyuav qhuav nrog tus leader tham tag ces txawm xa
tsab xov no. Kuj tsis paub hais tias hnub lawv nrog tus leader no tham
yog ua ntej los yog tom qab GVP lawv raug ntes. Tabsis kuv ntseeg hais
tias yog tom qab lawm, vim hais tias lawv hais txog qhov yua kom tus
leader los hais lus rau Hmoob kom Hmoob ua tau siab tus, tabtxawm GVP
lawv raug ntes lawm los tsis txob ua kuv ua ntaiv tsam txhaum cai.
Txawm li cas lawm los yeej zoo. Qhov zoo yog qhov uas peb tej txheeb
tej ze, tsis hais cov nyob sab tim no lossis nyob rau sab tim ub,
tseem nyob txhij nyob txhua, tsis muaj tus sem nqaij sem tawv. Cov uas
raug luag ntes los kuj tsis raug thuv raug txim. Txawm sawvdaws poob
poob nyiaj lawm los nws yeej zoo dua cia ib co mus tuag tuag pawg lug
yam tsis tau txiaj ntsim dabtsi. Tej haujlwm qab rooj no tsis hais los
peb txhua leej txhua tus yeej paub hais tias tsis yog luag lam iab
liam yus, tsis muaj ntau los yeej muaj me. Peb twb yeej ib txwm yuav
mus noj 30 tim Vientiane los tau ze 30 tawm xyoo no, luag yeej muaj
qhov ntsej qhov muag hnov peb kawg nkaus li lawm.
HL
vimhlub
Tus xxxx no tsis yog luag caw nws mus tham, nws yog tus tab meeg mus
nrog LPDR tham, LPDR mam li txib nws mus nrog luag tham kom ua LPDR
tej haujlwm es LPDR thiaj li yuav muab "improved relationship" rau lub
Embassy. Within 1 week, nws mus nrog luag tham 3 zaug nkaus. Nws mas
ntshai tsam tsis meej thiab luag tsis ntseeg nws kawg nkaus li. Li
ntawd los, lub Embassy twb tseem paub tias nws nrhiav nws kev ntxeev
cev los nphau Hmoob xwb. Txawm li ntawd los Embassy xav kom FBI koom
tes vim xxxx tabtom serve Mekas qhov interest to get some cooperation
from the LPDR. We should see a prostitute as a prostitute. Here,
xxxx was being done from both ends.
Yog nej xav tias Hmoob twb raug ntes lawm, es xxxx mam li mus nrog
luag tham ces nej tseem nyob deb ntawm qhov tseeb heev. Luag twb hais
tias xxxx tuaj ua nws txoj haujlwm hauv Fresno tag ua ntej cov Hmoob
raug txhom. Tom qab cov Hmoob raug txhom lawm los nws tseem yuav ua
nws txoj haujlwm ntxiv thiab -- tsuas yog kom FBI pab thaiv nws, while
he was still useful. Hais meej npaum li no lawm es neej tseem yuav
kom hais li cas thiab? Tom ntej los nws yeej ua lawm, tom qab los nws
tseem yuav ua thiab... for a medal from the LPDR, what else?
Xavzoo
Peb txhob txhawj txhawj txog tej no, nyias ua nyias ris xwb, txhob mus
tivthaiv leejtwg tsuav yog yus ua yog yog xwb ces twb zoo lawm nawb.
Tej no ces yog kev kawm rau sawvdaws los mas, kuv los yuav tau kawm
ntxiv coj kom zoo tshaj ntxiv, leejtwg lo ib yam os nawb...cia nws tes
haujlwm qhia nws rau sawvdaws, txhob yog koj qhia thiaj tseeb kuv qhia
thiaj yog...Tsis muaj ib qho dabtsi zais tau tej yam peb ua li os
nawb...
Hmob twb tawg tshwj txaus lawm, yav tas cia tas mus yav tom ntej peb
ua zoo saib ua zoo xyuas kom txhob lam sib taw tes tabsis yog tes
haujlwm taw qhia qhov tseeb tseeb.
Peb cov uas tuaj sib tham hauv no xyaum ua siab ntev nawb...
X Z
sinwung
HL,
Hais txog qhov ko..tsis yog US xav muaj Military Tie nrog Blog
xwb.....even China, Vietnam or any country you can find on this
earth..the US wanted to control if they can...and it will remained as
their on-going foreign policies.
who runs the United Nations, who operates the NATO and at least but
not last who owns the international currency??????
You just saisd it yourself...US wanted MIlitary Tie with LPDR ..why
would they bother to bring hmong to the picture???
Like I said the Hmong ex-SUG or the SPOOK means nothing...they washed
their hands in 1975..done.
The US careless Hmong interests but some politician may blablablabla
for hmong constituance and that's as far as it will get..
sinwung
Vimhlub,
Tos peb Tham mas yuav tsum tham ib hnub ...los twb tseem tham tsis
tag. Yog vim peb muaj ib co neeg coj zoo li no ne.
Nej sim xav saib....FBI yuav ua cas txhov GVP yog tsis tau information
ua ntej ntawd na.
Ntse peb cov nyob hauv no muaj ib co tsis muaj cognitive li los yog li
cas.
The preponderance, the circumstancial and the primafacio evidences are
all there .
The prooof is beyond reasonable doubt.
Thov kom peb tham li uas tus neeg paub ntawv tham... txhob tham li
Hmoob tham/tus neeg ignorance tham thiab txhob assume this theory that
theory...please focus on the 4w's:
1. what happen?
2.when happen?
3.where happen?
4. why happen ?
Hmong-Lao
Cov phoojywg,
Tej qho kuv tau hais nyhav zog rau sawvdaws lawm, txawm li ntawd los
thov zam txim nawb. Kuv lub hom phiaj tsis yog defend tus Hmong leader
ntawd, tsis yog tuaj Nplog Liab tog, tsis yog ntxub ntxaug nej leej
twg, tsis yog ntxub ntxaug lub koom haum twg; kuv lub homphiaj yog xav
kom peb Hmoob ua twb zoo taug tej lus xaiv lus ncua no kom zoo, xav
kom ntxaws, xyuas kom tseeb, saib kom meej, ua ntej peb yuav iab liam
ib lub txim nyhav nyhav li no rau ib leej tus Hmoob twg. Yog peb tsis
ua twb zoo saib, peb yuav raug luag siv peb rov los txov peb tus kheej
ib txheej dhau ib txheej, ib tiam dhau ib tiam; ces peb tsis muaj hnub
yuav peem tsheej li luag pejkum haiv nawb.
PY sinwung,
Cia wb sib cavpem xaus li no xwb. Koj mam ua twb zoo xav seb qhov
condition uas Nplog kam cia US military nkag mus rau Nplog teb yog
dabtsi; thiab cia koj mam tshawb seb qhov uas US military ho xav muaj
military tie nrog Nplog thiab Nyab Laj yog dabtsi. Kuv hais xwb ces
yuav tsis cuag li cia koj mam tshawb koj tau nawb.
PY Zab,
You got me all wrong. I have nothing to do with this leader and have
nothing to do with LPDR.
HL
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Phoojywg Hmong Lao,
Raws li kuv tuaj nyeem nej kev sib tham hauv no mas muaj coob leej xws
li Zab, Cwjmem, Peter Phiab thiab coob leej yeej directly taw tes tias
tus Mr. XXX ntawd yog DYD.
Yog li ntawd, qhov analysis uas koj coj los rau peb tham no yog ib
qhov zoo rau suavdaws los sib tawm tswvyim thiab tshawb fawb txog qhov
tseeb. Zaum no kuv ho xav ntxiv ib qhov kev tshawb fawb los yog kev
ntaus nqi ntxiv rau peb tham ntxiv. Lub tswvyim uas kuv xav muab rau
nej coj los tham ntxiv yog (conspiracy) kev koom tes.
Tsoom phoojywg suavdaws, nej puas xav tau tias tus Mr. XXX uas nyob
rau ntawm daim Wikileak no yog nws act alone xwb los nws muaj lwm tus
neeg nrog nws muaj feem cuam nyob rau haub thiab?
Muab saib raws li peb kev sib tham nyob hauv SCH no, mas twb pom muaj
qee leej tuaj claimed hais tias " nws yog tus ub tus no thiab yog
chief of staff rau Mr. XXX as stated by many individuals uas hais los
saum toj no. Yog li nej puas xav tias Mr. XX muaj coob leej ua
haujlwm rau nws thiab muab xov rau nws txog tej xwm txheej uas luag
muab tso tawm?
Dhau li ntawd, hav tseem muaj cov lus sib tham txog cov V thiab cov Y
kev sib iab liam yav dhau los. Yog li kuj muaj tus tawm los defend
hais tias cov Y yeej tsi tau ua tej haujlwm ntawd. Yog li ntawd, lawv
thiaj tsim tsa ib committee mus nrog cov V sib tham tim ntej tim muag
kom muaj kev sib nkag siab. Yog li no, tsam no, yog hais tias qhov
Wikileak no muaj tseeb, no lub committee uas tuaj nrog cov V tham
ntawd, puas yog lawv muaj feem /koom nrog Mr. XXX? Los puas yog pab
committee ntawd yeej tsi paub txog Mr. XXX cov haujlwm uas raug tso
tawm no li?
Tsam no peb cov individual sab nraud peb nkag siab tias twb muaj cov
lus sib iab liam/accusation no tshwm sim ua ntej cov Wikileak no tshwm
sim tuaj. Yog li cov V los kuj yuav tsum muaj ib qho clue los qhia rau
peb paub tias yog vim li cas lawv ho paub tias yog cov Y foob lawv?
Tsam no kuv los yeej confused heev thiab rov tsi ntseeg Hmoob cov
thawjcoj thiab scholars li lawm ov.
cwjmem
> Cov phoojywg,
> Tej qho kuv tau hais nyhav zog rau sawvdaws lawm, txawm li ntawd los
> thov zam txim nawb. Kuv lub hom phiaj tsis yog defend tus Hmong leader
> ntawd, tsis yog tuaj Nplog Liab tog, tsis yog ntxub ntxaug nej leej
> twg, tsis yog ntxub ntxaug lub koom haum twg; kuv lub homphiaj yog xav
> kom peb Hmoob ua twb zoo taug tej lus xaiv lus ncua no kom zoo, xav
> kom ntxaws, xyuas kom tseeb, saib kom meej, ua ntej peb yuav iab liam
> ib lub txim nyhav nyhav li no rau ib leej tus Hmoob twg. Yog peb tsis
> ua twb zoo saib, peb yuav raug luag siv peb rov los txov peb tus kheej
> ib txheej dhau ib txheej, ib tiam dhau ib tiam; ces peb tsis muaj hnub
> yuav peem tsheej li luag pejkum haiv nawb.
HL,
Xav kom peb sib CAV raws li issue xwb. Tej lus no yog lus los is qhia
xwb. Ua li kuv hais los lawm, CIA NYUJ UA NYUJ THAUJ, NEES UA NEES RIS
xwb. Txhob mus TIV THAIV tus neeg ua txaum ntawm (glorify
criminals). Tus XXXXX, peb Hmoob feem coob yeej paub hais tias nws
yog leej twg lawm ntag. Tus zam tau txim rau nws los zam mus, hos tus
tsis ntseeg nws los kom txav deb, hos tus ho ntseeg nws los txav kiag
mus nrog nws ntag nawb. Cov yuav CHIM ces yog GVP thiab 12 leeg ntawm
yog cov Chim xwb. It was a turning point for Hmong, did damage, but
no one lost live (12 innocent victims that got arrested), tab sis tus
uas neeg XXXXX ntawm ua nws yog tus swb loj dua.
Yog peb txhob muab DEJ SAIB UA NTU, MUAB NEEG SAIB UA PLU ces,
(generally) cov neeg lim hiam, dag noj dag haus, muab Hmoob lub taub
hau mus muag no ntawm yuav tsis ua mus txiv lawm. Cov Trairors no
tsis yog nyob rau teb chaws MEKAS no xwb, cov nyob rau tim lostsuas
los muaj coob. Yog Hmoob yog tus ua dev caum nqaij lawm, ces kawg
yeej yuav tua tau xwb nawb.
Kev ntsaw, XAV TAU NIAM MOS AB, POWERS, STATUS, CHILDREN (YOUNG GIRLS)
EXPLOITATION vim lawv nyob rau teb chaws no, peb Hmoob ib leeg yeej
tsis qhuas, thov lwm tus noj, los hwm ib tug twg lawm, cov neeg uas
tseem xav tau li hais los no thiaj ua li no los qhuas blog kom BLOG
TSO KEV RAU LAWV ROV MUS RAU LOS TSUAS TEB.
Hmoob nyob rau phab ntuj sab tim TXOM NYEM txaus lawm, pib thaum 1975
los txog tam sim no, yog peb muaj lub siab yuav pab lawv tiag, tsim
nyog mus Cheem kom blog liab txob tsim txom lawv lawm, cia lawv los
nyob ua noj ua haus li blog.
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Koj hais yog lub luag kawg lawm.
Peb cov uas ho tseem hluas zog no peb tham mas peb tsis cia lus
ov...peb tsis sarcastic ib tug twg ov.
Peb tsuas tham tus ua tsis zoo..yog ua zoo.... yeej muaj kev support
nkaus xwb.
Peb tsis yog tham es yuav mus ua phem rau ib tug twg los yog ib tsev
neeg twg ....
Thov peb cov Hluas txhob coj li cov laus..!
Sawv daws txhob xyaum li cov laus dab tsi yog hais ces txawm yuav TUA
NEEG xwb.
Taumdub
Phoojywg Cwjmem,
Koj lo lus hais tias "tus Mr. XXX ntawd yog tus swb loj dua" no yog
lam hais kom zoo mloog xwb pob?. Kuv paub coob leej ntawm lawv pab 12
tug ntawd ses muaj qee leej lawv defend lawv rooj plaub ua rau lawv
pluag kiag lawm ntag laiv. Qhov yeej yog lub npe xwb nawb. Mentally
mas lawv yuav chim mus txog hnub tuag nawb.
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Taumdub,
Yog koj nyob rau tsev neeg nawd los koj yeej yuav chim thiab vim poob
nyiaj poob txiaj ntau.
Dhau ntawd los mus tus Mr. xxx no ho mus vuag txog Chaofa rau hauv
thiab ces tsam no zoo li uas 1 tug dev mus tom nrog 10 tus dev...es
koj tseem yuav muaj qhov yeej zoo li cas mas.
Tus Mr. xxx qhov consequence los qhov damage rau nws mas yuav tsis tau
pom tam sim no ..nej ho ntsia mus. Hmoob nyob USA feem coob tsis nyiam
communist ..tsuas yog muaj tus puav mus yuav cov me ntxhais luag tim
ub xwb..yeej nyob tis tau tim .
Yog hais tias LPDR tsis yog Communist no mas nws muaj nws ib txoj kev
rau yawg thiab..vim Blog yuav txhawb yawg.
Qhov tseeb peb yeej paub /yawg los yeej paub Blog tsis kam yuav yawg
nrog Blogliab.
Tus Mr.xx no ces zoo li tus PROSTITUTE uas LPDR muab tsoob tas ces ua
ntia tseg tom kev lawm xwb.
Zoo li no es tseem los nrog Hmoob koom nyob ua ib lub zos thiab
mas ...aubyau...xyov yuav ua li cas laj mus fim tau Hmoob thiab
ov.!!!
cwjmem
> Phoojywg Cwjmem,
>
> Koj lo lus hais tias "tus Mr. XXX ntawd yog tus swb loj dua" no yog
> lam hais kom zoo mloog xwb pob?. Kuv paub coob leej ntawm lawv pab 12
> tug ntawd ses muaj qee leej lawv defend lawv rooj plaub ua rau lawv
> pluag kiag lawm ntag laiv. Qhov yeej yog lub npe xwb nawb. Mentally
> mas lawv yuav chim mus txog hnub tuag nawb.
Yawg Taumdub,
Nyiaj txiag khwv tau, tab sis poob ntsej muag, hwj chim yuav poob mus
tag ib txhis. Tus swb loj yog tus Mr. XXXX ntawm. Mr. XXX tawm rooj
plaws, nyob deb Hmoob taw tes, nyob ze Hmoob taw ncauj, es nws yuav
coj nws lub ntsej muag mus zais rau qhov twg? He is the black sheep
of Hmong people forever, no matter how good he had done in the past,
now Hmong see him as a traitor the Hmong people. His legacy to be
viewed by the Hmong people as traitor onto Hmong history. Qhov no,
qhov kuv hais tias SWB loj kawg kiag.
GVP thiab 12 tug ntawm tej zaum yuav poob nyiaj txiag ntau, tab sis
lawv tsis tau txais txim dab tsi, Hmoob tseem hwm, saib tau. Nyob deb
Hmong yuav nug be, nyob ze Hmoob tseem yuav los tuav tes nrog lawv.
Thorn...@yahoo.com
rua puab tug huab tais hab chim tas caag puab yuav ruag ua luaj es rov
ua vuj hluas soo puab caaj dlaab xwb nuas os. Yog tas puab nim clean,
clean innocent es nyob nyob yawm mr. xxxx cas le foob tseem fwv tuaj
muab puab moog hlob kaav hlaus mas txhaj le chim poj, ntawd tes puab
moog caws puab leeg rooj ntxaab hab rov cev caaj dlaab rua tais es
muaj qaab ntxaab chim rua leej twg naj. Raws le kuv tug laug nuav xaav
xwb tes, it is a good lesson to learn and hopefully some of them will
keep the lesson forever. Tsis tuag tes zoo lawm, raug moog hlob kaav
hlaus ib ntus le hov xwb tsuas yog ua kuas ntse zog tuaj xwb. Txawm
tas ua rua tug puav pluag taag los yeeb vim pluag rua nwg txuj kev
ruag, txuj kev ntshaw xwb tsis ua le caag. Rua kuv mas mr. xxx has
nothing to lose, rua qhov nwg tub tsis yog tug txw kua puab ua es lauj
puab taw ntaiv. If in deed the wilkilead message was him who reported
the activities, he was just purely exercised his rights as a US
citizen to protect further deterioration.
> mas lawv yuav chim mus txog hnub tuag nawb.- Hide quoted text -
dony
> On May 10, 9:42 pm, Thornsp...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > Taumdub ed, puab yuav chim rua leej twg naj! Chim tes kawg rov chim
> > rua puab tug huab tais hab chim tas caag puab yuav ruag ua luaj es rov
> > ua vuj hluas soo puab caaj dlaab xwb nuas os. Yog tas puab nim clean,
> > clean innocent es nyob nyob yawm mr. xxxx cas le foob tseem fwv tuaj
> > muab puab moog hlob kaav hlaus mas txhaj le chim poj, ntawd tes puab
> > moog caws puab leeg rooj ntxaab hab rov cev caaj dlaab rua tais es
> > muaj qaab ntxaab chim rua leej twg naj. Raws le kuv tug laug nuav xaav
> > xwb tes, it is a good lesson to learn and hopefully some of them will
> > keep the lesson forever. Tsis tuag tes zoo lawm, raug moog hlob kaav
> > hlaus ib ntus le hov xwb tsuas yog ua kuas ntse zog tuaj xwb. Txawm
> > tas ua rua tug puav pluag taag los yeeb vim pluag rua nwg txuj kev
> > ruag, txuj kev ntshaw xwb tsis ua le caag. Rua kuv mas mr. xxx has
> > nothing to lose, rua qhov nwg tub tsis yog tug txw kua puab ua es lauj
> > puab taw ntaiv. If in deed the wilkilead message was him who reported
> > the activities, he was just purely exercised his rights as a US
> > citizen to protect further deterioration.
>
> Kuv los yeej xav li koj sob lus kawg no thiab. Txawm hais tias tus
> Hmong Leader no tau coj tej xov no mus qhia rau USG (United States
> Government) los yeej yog ua los cawm Hmoob txoj sia xwb. Twb tsis yog
> cawm tau cov Hmoob uas tuaj tog LPDR xwb, qhov tseem ceeb tshaj yog
> cawm tau cov uas yuav mus ua teg haujlwm txia txia dej zaum ntawd. Kuv
> predict hais tias yog operation popcorn tshwjsim tsheej, cov tuag tag
> yuav yog cov Hmoob ruam ruam uas nyuam qhuav khiav dim sia pem havzoov
> los.
>
> Sawvdaws sim nrog xav seb mas? Ua ntej 1975, US muaj phom loj phom me,
> muaj dav hlau tso bomb tibsi. Ib hnub twg tso txog tons of bombs rau
> Nplog/Nyablaj xwb, twb tua tsis yeej Nplog Liab & Nyablaj Liab. Qhov
> operation popcorn no tsuas siv ob peb nyuag caum los pua lub nyuag
> antitank missiles, rockets, mines, C-4 explosive & smoke grenades nrog
> 125 rab nyuag phom AK-47 xwb. Yuav ua li cas mus tua yeej tebchaws?
>
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Hmong-Lao,
Kuv pom hais tias sawvdaws muab qhov no hais ntau dhau hwv lawm, koj
puas xav hais tias muab tso tseg yog muaj dab tsi sawvdaws mam zaum
sib tham. Sawvdaws niaj hnub hais hauv internet puas yuav tau dab tsi
is it going to be productive or destructive to the Hmong as awhole?
Dony
Hmong-Lao
> rua puab tug huab tais hab chim tas caag puab yuav ruag ua luaj es rov
> ua vuj hluas soo puab caaj dlaab xwb nuas os. Yog tas puab nim clean,
> clean innocent es nyob nyob yawm mr. xxxx cas le foob tseem fwv tuaj
> muab puab moog hlob kaav hlaus mas txhaj le chim poj, ntawd tes puab
> moog caws puab leeg rooj ntxaab hab rov cev caaj dlaab rua tais es
> muaj qaab ntxaab chim rua leej twg naj. Raws le kuv tug laug nuav xaav
> xwb tes, it is a good lesson to learn and hopefully some of them will
> keep the lesson forever. Tsis tuag tes zoo lawm, raug moog hlob kaav
> hlaus ib ntus le hov xwb tsuas yog ua kuas ntse zog tuaj xwb. Txawm
> tas ua rua tug puav pluag taag los yeeb vim pluag rua nwg txuj kev
> ruag, txuj kev ntshaw xwb tsis ua le caag. Rua kuv mas mr. xxx has
> nothing to lose, rua qhov nwg tub tsis yog tug txw kua puab ua es lauj
> puab taw ntaiv. If in deed the wilkilead message was him who reported
> the activities, he was just purely exercised his rights as a US
> citizen to protect further deterioration.
>
PY Thornsp,
Kuv los yeej xav li koj sob lus kawg no thiab. Txawm hais tias tus
Hmong Leader no tau coj tej xov no mus qhia rau USG (United States
Government) los yeej yog ua los cawm Hmoob txoj sia xwb. Twb tsis yog
cawm tau cov Hmoob uas tuaj tog LPDR xwb, qhov tseem ceeb tshaj yog
cawm tau cov uas yuav mus ua teg haujlwm txia txia dej zaum ntawd. Kuv
predict hais tias yog operation popcorn tshwjsim tsheej, cov tuag tag
yuav yog cov Hmoob ruam ruam uas nyuam qhuav khiav dim sia pem havzoov
los.
Cov phoojywg,
Sawvdaws sim nrog xav seb mas? Ua ntej 1975, US muaj phom loj phom me,
muaj dav hlau ya nploj ntws. Ib hnub twg tso txog tons of bombs rau
Nplog/Nyablaj xwb, twb tua tsis yeej Nplog Liab & Nyablaj Liab. Qhov
operation popcorn no tsuas siv ob peb nyuag caum lossis pua lub nyuag
antitank missiles, rockets, mines, C-4 explosive & smoke grenades nrog
125 rab nyuag phom AK-47 xwb. Yuav ua li cas mus tua yeej tebchaws?
Nyob rau niaj hnub no, peb Hmoob yeej tseem tsis tau muaj leej twg kam
mus report tej yam uas Hmoob pom hais tias lwm tus Hmoob ua txhaum
txoj kev cai lij choj li. Tejzaum hnub no sawvdaws cem ua ncauj liab
vog hais tias nws yog traitor, yog tus ntxeev siab rov rau Hmoob,
tabsis muaj ib hnub tom ntej no, peb sawvdaws yoog tau Miskas tus cag
txuj - lawv tau Memkuj tus cag ci, peb ho yuav pom hais tias yam nws
ua ntawd yog heroic action no los kuj muaj. Yog li ntawd, sawv daws ua
siab txias txias nawb mog.
HL
Hmong-Lao
>
> Hmong-Lao,
>
> Kuv pom hais tias sawvdaws muab qhov no hais ntau dhau hwv lawm, koj
> puas xav hais tias muab tso tseg yog muaj dab tsi sawvdaws mam zaum
> sib tham. Sawvdaws niaj hnub hais hauv internet puas yuav tau dab tsi
> is it going to be productive or destructive to the Hmong as awhole?
> Dony
PY Phuan,
Koj yeej hais yog lus lawm, yuav li koj hais los mas. Uatsaug os.
HL