BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ -typical filipino
Art...@cebu.com
although I found Manila a dirthole and wondered why
most people throughout the archipelago don't keep their place
nice and tidy (with exemptions like Siquihor island and Dumagueti City
among some others)
but litter everywhere and don't seem to bother living in what resembles
garbage dumps.
I specially learned quick to despise males - all they ever care about is
how to get drunk.
Jeepney driver urinate on the wheels of their own vehicles, I've seen
guy's defecating in the
middle of the city. This people have no manners and no pride, most will
sell a piece of
ass for 100 pesos and they love to cheat, steal and beg.
At least in the first couple of years this little brown fuckers had
respect in front of a
white man, which made being in their presence somewhat bearable.
In 5 years I found no more then a dozen or so exemptions, halve of them
chinese, the other half
guys that worked or studied abroad and had acquired some manners and
culture.
Up to today I value them as true friends and they will readily admit
that most of their countrymen
are disgusting.
In stark contrast the females: Silky skin, big dark eyes, wonderful
hair, sweet and intelligent.
I fell in love with one and we been together for 5 years. She had to
suffer
from the jealousy of her countrymen who called her prostitute and such
just because
she was going with a foreigner. Once I took her abroad (to Thailand) and
it has been
one of the happier times we had together.
I always wondered that a country could have halve the population made up
of such idiots
and the other halve with such grace and dignity.
Aquino was swept to power in 1996 and for the first 2 years or so there
was little change.
Then the people started to ask what happened to all the promises of a
better life after
Ferdinand Marcos - of course Mrs. Aquino couldn't deliver, the economy
was still in a
shambles - so she looked for a scapegoat.
From that time on the foreigner as pictured in the local press came to
the Philippines to:
- rape the woman
- molest little boys and girls
- steal our natural recourses
- take our business opportunities
and much more of such nonsense!
The last one is particular stupid, because a job taker for unskilled
labor
like waiter or chambermaid always fares much better when employed by a
foreigner
then a local filipino or filipino-chinese employer.
A big additional pain in the butt was peoples flight from the rural
areas into the cities.
I lived in Cebu City and saw this place changing from your quiet,
provincial 3. world town
into a traffic choked, polluted, crime ridden metropolis - and that at
dizzying speed.
It felt as the population doubled every two years during my stay.
Then the inept and treacherous Aquino regime changed the immigration
rules and hustled foreigners
for more money and made it inconvenient to extent a tourist visa.
I have never done a illegal thing in my life, the place used to be cheap
so for the entire time I lived there
I had no necessity to work, just lived of my savings and income from
abroad.
I always felt the foreigners where beneficial spending their dollars
there so I felt deeply
insulted with all this ridiculous accusations.
The last straw was when prices skyrocketed. I packed my bags and left.
Today there are places in the world where one pays less for everyday
items, and feels protected
and appreciated by the authorities as a hard currency spender. People
like me who want to
have a good time, and stay for extended periods to escape the winter at
home have a wide choice:
Cuba, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Equador, Honduras, Thailand, Aruba,
Bonaire, Curacao, New Zealand,
to name a few.
Filipinos always liked to bite the hand that feed them, just look at how
they got the american bases out of
subic bay (I heard both countries have a new treaty and want to reverse
this).
I don't need a flip to call me names just because I lived in his
country for some time.
I don't need the country - there are lots of other places where I get a
better deal!
The land of 7,000 islands must've been a paradise up to the middle of
this century,
but population explosion, deforestation, dynamite fishing, a mismanaging
and corrupt government
and cities that grow without any planing like cancer
have changed this country profoundly - once beautiful today it's as ugly
as can be, a health hazard, dirty,
expensive, with unfriendly people and dangerous.
Don't drink the water, don't go out at night, don't wear a ring or watch
...........
You may keep it Mr Guadiz - oh wait - you fled to California
yourself......
benll
attest to the collective progressive minds of the Filipinos.
You can go anywhere and find "armpits" of the world - been
to the ghettos of NY? how about slums of East LA? how about
the shacks of Tijuana, Mexico? and worse, been to the
wartorn countries of East Europe? I have seen people that
behaved worse in some places i'd been... if I based their
behavior on my own values. The key is NOT to generalize. It
will also help to leave your ethnocentric mentality where it
will not cloud your judgement.
benll
<Art...@Cebu.com> wrote in message
news:378509E3...@Cebu.com...
Robert Chin
Thought you might like to know that.
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
>
Art...@cebu.com
> The mere fact that we tolerate senseless comments like yours
> attest to the collective progressive minds of the Filipinos.
Seems like the shoe fits! You must feel badly hurt hearing what I wrote,
knowing it's the truth.
btw: I attribute your tolerance more to the fact that this is a
newsgroup
and I write everything I god-damn like - less to the "collective
progressive minds"
> You can go anywhere and find "armpits" of the world - been
> to the ghettos of NY? how about slums of East LA? how about
> the shacks of Tijuana, Mexico?
You got me there - knowing how some people live in my own
country, the wealthiest nation on earth is the true irony as well as
proof that poverty is less lack of money then lack of brains because
EVERY american can make at least enough do live
a halfway decent life here.
Sadly drugs, alcohol, gambling and the like are the shovel
most people dig their own grave with.
> ...been to the wartorn countries of East Europe?
Nah - I rather spent my holiday on Aruba again thank you but no thank
you!
> I have seen people that
> behaved worse in some places i'd been... if I based their
> behavior on my own values. The key is NOT to generalize. It
> will also help to leave your ethnocentric mentality where it
> will not cloud your judgement.
I loved the Philippines once, they changed, I got bitterly disappointed,
I felt unjustly and summarily accused of ridiculous things from
a enormously inept and arrogant government
using "the foreigner" as a convenient scapegoat and I still believe
that the poor filipinos suffered from the foreigner exodus that ensued
from 1988 on.
Then I came here and advised some guy on the age of consent in RP
and got pissed at from this anal retentive "benjamin guadiz" who writes
legalese as if he were a lawyer but is only a economic refugee that
works as part-time waiter and part-time male prostitute in California.
I don't have to take it from a little brown bastard to call me a pimp,
implying that I operated a bar or brothel.
Filipinos do that in the Philippines, all this talk about the foreigner
"corrupting" the filipinos was and is propaganda.
Ask general Lim of the Manila police, the guy responsible for the
closure
of Ermita bars how many locals vs. foreigners he found pimping.
Btw: After the show on Mabini ST. he moved on to gambling,
isn't it funny how he "won" the lottery shortly afterwards?
I'm still laughing seeing him on TV, asked if he will give back the
money
telling the reporter: NO, this is the first time I won - I'll keep it.
Art...@cebu.com
> Even as trolls go, you are an idiot.
So the shoe fits you too?
> Thought you might like to know that.
I would've survived without your wisdom
tansong isda
> You may keep it Mr Guadiz - oh wait - you fled to California
> yourself......
From Florida, Miami area...posting through
Bellsouth.net, watch the warning, you could lose
your access to the net.
hug...@my-deja.com
> yourself......
>
i came from cebu myself. yes, i'm sad to admit that most of the places
in the country are filled with filth, but never forget that despite of
all the bad things happening, everyone contributed to have the country
in such a state of chaos. anyway, there are still places in the
philippines that are breathtaking. i'm proud to say that i was born in
the philippines and i claim the philippines my home even though i'm
currently residing in the united states. i would love to some day go
back and live the rest of my mundane existence over there. please don't
hesitate to mail back.
sincerely,
hug...@deja.com
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R M Abacan
benll
<Art...@Cebu.com> wrote in message
news:37858729...@Cebu.com...
>benll wrote:
>Seems like the shoe fits! You must feel badly hurt hearing
what I wrote,
>knowing it's the truth.
>btw: I attribute your tolerance more to the fact that this
is a
>newsgroup
>and I write everything I god-damn like - less to the
"collective
>progressive minds"
whoa, down, boy...it's not pain i feel when i read
narrow-minded, loud, and degrading comments like you had -
it's pity, pity for you and those around you...i can only
imagine what they have to endure when you open your mouth.
and oh yeah, i may not agree with what you have to say, but
i'll be the first to fight for that right, in the newsgroup
or wherever or whenever...
>> You can go anywhere and find "armpits" of the world -
been
>> to the ghettos of NY? how about slums of East LA? how
about
>> the shacks of Tijuana, Mexico?
>You got me there - knowing how some people live in my own
>country, the wealthiest nation on earth is the true irony
as well as
>proof that poverty is less lack of money then lack of
brains because
>EVERY american can make at least enough do live
>a halfway decent life here.
>Sadly drugs, alcohol, gambling and the like are the shovel
>most people dig their own grave with.
you're right, but that is not the "FOCUS" of our eyes when
we look at this country. We applaud its opportunities and
everything positive in it...please extend that courtesy to
everywhere else. try it, it can make you feel better.
>> ...been to the wartorn countries of East Europe?
>
>Nah - I rather spent my holiday on Aruba again thank you
but no thank
>you!
my point there, in case it was not clear enough, was that
all the bad habits you saw in the Philippines were
inconsequential in comparison to what other people do to
other people because of some minor differences...
>> I have seen people that
>> behaved worse in some places i'd been... if I based their
>> behavior on my own values. The key is NOT to generalize.
It
>> will also help to leave your ethnocentric mentality where
it
>> will not cloud your judgement.
>
>I loved the Philippines once, they changed, I got bitterly
disappointed,
>I felt unjustly and summarily accused of ridiculous things
from
>a enormously inept and arrogant government
>using "the foreigner" as a convenient scapegoat and I still
believe
>that the poor filipinos suffered from the foreigner exodus
that ensued
>from 1988 on.
history will prove your conjecture, or disprove it...effects
of the flight of foreign capital, i believe this is what
you're alluring to, will manifest themselves in due course -
but ten short years is not enough time.
>Then I came here and advised some guy on the age of consent
in RP
>and got pissed at from this anal retentive "benjamin
guadiz" who writes
>legalese as if he were a lawyer but is only a economic
refugee that
>works as part-time waiter and part-time male prostitute in
California.
>I don't have to take it from a little brown bastard to call
me a pimp,
>implying that I operated a bar or brothel.
if the shoe fits...come on, lighten up, show us you can take
it as well as you can dish it out...
>Filipinos do that in the Philippines, all this talk about
the foreigner
>"corrupting" the filipinos was and is propaganda.
>Ask general Lim of the Manila police, the guy responsible
for the
>closure
>of Ermita bars how many locals vs. foreigners he found
pimping.
>Btw: After the show on Mabini ST. he moved on to gambling,
>isn't it funny how he "won" the lottery shortly afterwards?
>I'm still laughing seeing him on TV, asked if he will give
back the
>money
>telling the reporter: NO, this is the first time I won -
I'll keep it.
Nietzsche wrote that "All idealism is falsehood in the face
of necessity." this is not an excuse, just maybe an insight
to what is happening all over the world including
Manila.....
Art...@cebu.net
> From Florida, Miami area...posting through
> Bellsouth.net, watch the warning, you could lose
> your access to the net.
Because I tell the truth about the Philipines? Loose my access? Not in
a million years!
Feel free to complain to my ISP anytime.
You see: Here in the US we have what is called FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!
Do you know where you can stuff your warning?
Art...@cebu.net
hug...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Arturo,
> i came from cebu myself. yes, i'm sad to admit that most of the places
> in the country are filled with filth, but never forget that despite of
> all the bad things happening, everyone contributed to have the country
> in such a state of chaos. anyway, there are still places in the
> philippines that are breathtaking. i'm proud to say that i was born in
> the philippines and i claim the philippines my home even though i'm
> currently residing in the united states. i would love to some day go
> back and live the rest of my mundane existence over there. please don't
> hesitate to mail back.
>
> sincerely,
> hug...@deja.com
Dear hugatri:
If you read the "age of consent thread" where I was attacked and slandered
from
"benjamin guadiz" without any reason you will understand that I did not intend
to
insult filipinos like you. Every place has good and bad people, but when I
wrote
that many filipinos litter, show a lack of manners and culture you must admit:
It's true!
Many filipinos like you, balik bayans or living abroad, trying to succeed
against
the reputation and against the ods deserve recognition. I did write that I
found
a few good men didn't I? ;-)
I still like the babae of Cebu and wish myself I could return one day, laze
under palm trees,
drink a coconut, see a game at open beerbar near the capitolio, catch a movie
downtown...
Art...@cebu.net
hug...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Arturo,
> i came from cebu myself. yes, i'm sad to admit that most of the places
> in the country are filled with filth, but never forget that despite of
> all the bad things happening, everyone contributed to have the country
> in such a state of chaos. anyway, there are still places in the
> philippines that are breathtaking. i'm proud to say that i was born in
> the philippines and i claim the philippines my home even though i'm
> currently residing in the united states. i would love to some day go
> back and live the rest of my mundane existence over there. please don't
> hesitate to mail back.
>
> sincerely,
> hug...@deja.com
Dear hugatri:
tansong isda
Better read your contract! Your access is limited,
unlike what you believe. Check it out! Unless you
haven't read it, let me introduce to you one
aspect of the limitation, you can say anything you
want as long....just fucking read it.
Troll.
tansong isda
> Dear hugatri:
> If you read the "age of consent thread" where I was attacked and slandered
> from
> "benjamin guadiz" without any reason you will understand that I did not intend
> to
> insult filipinos like you. Every place has good and bad people, but when I
> wrote
> that many filipinos litter, show a lack of manners and culture you must admit:
> It's true!
>
uninteresting, I didn't find anything derogatory
against you...unless he "insulted" with his
legalese.
> Many filipinos like you, balik bayans or living abroad, trying to succeed
> against
> the reputation and against the ods deserve recognition. I did write that I
> found
> a few good men didn't I? ;-)
>
that other thread, insulting a people to get Ben
Guadiz's attention is fruitless, or haven't you
realized this yet.
> I still like the babae of Cebu and wish myself I could return one day, laze
> under palm trees,
> drink a coconut, see a game at open beerbar near the capitolio, catch a movie
> downtown...
You know how to be a Pinoy, but I don't know if
Pinoy's would appreciate the insult that you have
thrown...I certainly don't.
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> I came to the Philippines in the early 80's,
> although I found Manila a dirthole and wondered why
> most people throughout the archipelago don't keep their place
> nice and tidy (with exemptions like Siquihor island and Dumagueti City
> among some others)
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS ...,
ONE: In the above-mentioned paragraph, <art...@cebu.com>
admits "coming to" The Philippines in the early 80s ..., which
could mean anywhere between 1980 - 1983. Note that
1984 - 1986 could mean middle 80s ...; 1987 - 1989
the late 80s, correct???
TWO: In another admission, he claims having stayed in RP for FIVE (5)
years as below-reproduced, to wit ...,
"... Next: What serves me well? I lived in RP for 5 years,
when they started their raids on the foreigner bars (they never
touched the bars where filipinos pick up callgirls) and started a
smear campaign on all foreigners, I did what 300,000 other
whitey's
did: I packed and left!
THREE: But then, a slip-of-the-pen gave it all away as herein provided,
to wit ...,
"... I didn't flee the country, I left, (in 1990) I couldn't stand
bigmouth
like you anymore! ..."
ANALYSIS: Above premises considered, <art...@cebu.com> either
OVERSTAYED in The Philippines which is a highly irregular occurence
by an alien on a visitor's visa; OR ..., does not know how to do
simple
Mathematics !!!
It is my understanding that THE FOREIGNER and Winner in the
LOSER COLUMN stayed in The Philippines ***over five years*** !!!
manong ben
bl...@ix.netcom.com
bl...@earthlink.net
Colton, CA 92324
USA
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Then the inept and treacherous Aquino regime changed the immigration
> rules and hustled foreigners
> for more money and made it inconvenient to extent a tourist visa.
===============
MY COMMENTS:
DA POREYNER, in the above-reproduced caption averred the Aquino
regime ***changed*** the immigration rules WITHOUT even substantiating
which statutory / legislative / enacted law, or executive order, or
bureaucratic
circular provided the executory power to effect said claimed changes.
It is a well-acknowledged fact in A-N-Y argumentation that allegations
improperly verified or without veracity are, for all intents and purposes,
completely devoid of merit !!!
My own conclusion is: The above-mentioned allegation of DA WINNER
is a complete falsehood and without an iota of credibility.
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> Aquino was swept to power in 1996 and for the first 2 years or so there
> was little change.
> Then the people started to ask what happened to all the promises of a
> better life after
> Ferdinand Marcos - of course Mrs. Aquino couldn't deliver, the economy
> was still in a
> shambles - so she looked for a scapegoat.
========
MY COMMENTS:
Corazon C. Aquino assumed the Presidency in FEBRUARY, 1986.
I repeat, it was in February, One Thousand Nineteen Hundred and
Eighty-Six ..., A.D. (Ano Domini).
Possibly, DA OVERTAYING TOURIST had a rough nite drinking
his adulterated whiskey (the one they sell as Si Hok Tong; afterall, he
claimed prices
have gone up, to the point he can "no longer afford the istet-side Johnny
Walker",
hence his departure !!!) so much so that he mistakenly read 1986 as 1996 ...
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
>
>
> I had no necessity to work, just lived of my savings and income from
> abroad.
=========
MY COMMENTS:
Upon your entry to The Philippines, it was to the Immigrations Officer's
empowered right and duty of discretionary or mandatory interrogation to
ascertain whether or not you, as the tourist about to enter Inang Bayan,
had more than sufficient means (foreign currency and other monetary
instruments for all expenses and sustenance); necessary papers and place
of abode (temporary local address), inter alia, during your allowed stay.
Unauthorized employment of any kind by foreigners on a tourist
visa to Inang Bayan results to an outright deportation.
Which, of course, brings it back to my inquisitive mind once
more: Isn't it a fact that you owned, managed, ran, controlled or
had a vested interest in some house of ill-repute; or that you were
engaged in certain unidentified criminal activities which, for
your own good, necessitated your hasty retreat and departure
from Perlas ng Silangan ???
Isn't it ???
Come on ..., don't be so boyishly shy now !!!
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> Jeepney driver urinate on the wheels of their own vehicles, I've seen
> guy's defecating in the
> middle of the city.
==========
MY COMMENTS:
Inasmuch as you failed to mention about some undisciplined persons
urinating AGAINST THE WALL ..., I assume you never saw any,
correct???
If so, you really didn't see the real Philippines.
If not, you didn't tell the full and true story.
Caught you there once more in a DILEMMA !!!
" ... Agni-ari so manirit dia ...!!!"
BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ
>
>I came to the Philippines in the early 80's,
>although I found Manila a dirthole and wondered why
>most people throughout the archipelago don't keep their place
>nice and tidy (with exemptions like Siquihor island and Dumagueti City
>among some others)
resembles
>garbage dumps.
>I specially learned quick to despise males - all they ever care about
is
>how to get drunk.
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MY PERSPECTIVES: CONSIDERATION OF A SCENARIO
The ***most likely*** scenario and the immediate / proximate
cause for <art...@cebu.com>'s sudden, heretofore unexplained
(as to the REAL reason) departure from Inang Bayan was for and
after an Immigrations Officer in the Commission on Immigrations
& Deportation offices having stamped the ignominious label
"UNDESIRABLE ALIEN: SUBJECT TO DEPORTATION" in his US passport
and application for tourist visa extension.
This foreigner falsely believed he had the political right
to demand and expect an extension of his tourist visa. He doesn't
know and is completely ignorant to the fact that aliens in
The Philippines enjoy absolutely NO political rights and no
amount of Freedom of Speech rights by and on his behalf can
compel the Executive branch of Government to grant him his
"expected" demand for a visa extension. Since any and
all official acts of the Executive system have the presumption
of constitutionality, he had no recourse but to accept his fate.
All his plans crashed like a house of cards. It is within the
realm of possibility he sought legal counsel from his attorney,
travel agent, GF's family-relatives and other acquaintances - all
to no avail.
In his option to seek "relieve or redress from the courts"
he was given the idea of staggering legal billings from filing
of a motion on the writ of mandamus; to attorney's fees,
publications; to filings and other legal expenses to continuances …,
ad infinitum; hence his negative accusations against the
legal system.
However, when his hot-shot cranium finally came into a lucid
interval, he realized therefore, it becomes his ***bounden duty***
TO PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that the denial of his visa
extension was done so(???) in an arbitrary manner constituting an
excess or lack of jurisdiction; with grave abuse of discretion
considered to be so capricious and whimsical exercise of
presidential (Executive) residual powers (as delegated to the
agencies of government, the C.I.D. included) which is blatantly
patent and gross as to amount to an evasion of positive duty or
virtual refusal to perform a duty enjoined by law. This bounden
duty is what he cannot prove - even assuming he has the intellectual
and sensical capabilities to pursue the redress of perceived
injustices committed against him (by the Cory government) in
a court having legal jurisdiction.
He got it completely wrong despite his mistaken belief he can
have a run of the place inasmuch as he has the money and in his
fortune to be a citizen of the USA …, i.e., he expected too
much preferential treatment and further believed he was entitled
to by operation of law. He may have also believed that a visa
extension could be had for the right price !!!
One can only envisage the enormous disappointment on his
part; as well as the scene and the (*&^%$#@!) invectives he
***could have*** created right then and there - even in the
presence of his GF hence his accusation on the ineptitude of
Philippine officialdom plus the total corruption in the
judicial system - because he was, after a sufficient
and overwhelming HUBRIS (over-confidence) and his being
a moneyed(???) foreigner, shown the door by a lowly Immigrations
Officer. In plain language, he has worn the welcome mat;
after all close to, if not more than, TEN YEARS of stay in the
homelands on a tourist or visitor's visa just raises more than
enough eyebrows on A-N-Y public official who can be that
suspicious as to what is his actual agenda. After a prolonged
stay in Cebu and presumably elsewhere, he has come to hate Filipino
males …, for a tangible reason, of course. He hated the local guys
because they were hot studs; he, on the other hand is "retirable"
(living off his savings and other incomes) whom locals derisively
call D.O.M - MMMM (alam na PO ninyo what DEE OH EMM is ...,
matandang mayaman madaling m*m*t*y) and has become the "bigasan
ng bayan". NOBODY really knows how this foreigner reacted to and
related with the locals. For a clue, his high-horse and patronizing
condescension surely earned him friends - and enemies, as well.
IT'S PAY BACK TIME ..., BUDDY !!!
Someone could have tip somebody - for whatever reason and
THE foreigner is caught between horns !!!
Once again, the ***most likely*** reasons would have been
moral turpitude (Article 200, Revised Penal Code); corruption
of public official by attempted bribery (Article 212, Revised
Penal Code) and inducement or causing a public official to
commit criminal offenses (Section 4 [b], Republic Act No. 3019,
otherwise known as Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act) …,
amongst others. How about drug-running and being a purveyor
of women in houses of ill-repute (commonly known as bugaw);
preying on the hapless economic misfortunes of the poor for
a dose of sexual servitude. Although far-fetched, still, all
within the realm of possibility.
So …, Mr. <art...@cebu.com> you can instead count your blessings
for not having been ensnared in the government dragnet. If only
I was physically present in The Philippines; if only I knew
and had an idea then what I have gathered from you now; at the
very least some unidentified friends and relatives in the legal
professions, judicial system and the military could have taken
a more pointed look into your presence and activities in
Inang Bayan.
Thanks a lot for your stay and the dollars you spent - well,
you went there voluntarily, without any undue influence and
even filed a petition / an application to prolong your stay.
I am / We are so happy you got the message before they could
come for your hide.
BTW, thank you for your vitriolic e-mail. Do not cry LIKE A
BABY in the Philippines; by e-mail and here in SCF forum
(over your bitterness about leaving the homelands) when you
don't even have the intelligence or delicadeza to defend your
perspectives LIKE A MAN !!!
Go in peace "Undesirable Alien: Subject to Deportation".
Forever etch in your cerebral mentation that Inang Bayan,
no matter her failures and negative image worldwide, is my
land of birth and my domiciliary home - always !!!
ILOKANO AND PINOY AKO ...
manong ben
bl...@ix.netcom.com
bl...@earthlink.net
Covina, CA 92324
USA
BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ
>
>
>
>hug...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>
>Dear hugatri:
>If you read the "age of consent thread" where I was attacked and
slandered
>from
>"benjamin guadiz" without any reason you will understand that I did
not intend
>to
>insult filipinos like you. Every place has good and bad people, but
when I
>wrote
>that many filipinos litter, show a lack of manners and culture you
must admit:
>It's true!
>
>Many filipinos like you, balik bayans or living abroad, trying to
succeed
>against
>the reputation and against the ods deserve recognition. I did write
that I
>found
>a few good men didn't I? ;-)
>
>I still like the babae of Cebu and wish myself I could return one day,
laze
>under palm trees,
>drink a coconut, see a game at open beerbar near the capitolio, catch
a movie
>downtown...
>
=========
MY COMMENTS:
This foreigner <art...@cebu.com> once again states
unequivocably that he was ***SLANDERED*** without
even establishing a firm foundation and legal basis
so as to dignify his accusation of having been
slandered(???).
He does not even know what slander means !!!
manong ben
bl...@ix.netcom.com
bl...@earthlink.net
Covina, CA 91722
USA
Art...@cebu.com
> I didn't find anything derogatory
> against you...
either you don't know how to read guadiz's insult or
you don't feel insulted being called a pedophile and pimp
I am insulted by it
> You know how to be a Pinoy, but I don't know if
> Pinoy's would appreciate the insult that you have
> thrown...I certainly don't.
yea - truth hurts sometime
and what exactly makes me a troll?
Tell me the ugly part of my culture,
tell me the truth about my country - there are many things you could come up with!
I won't call you a troll for it because I believe the first step toward
a better future is to ackknowledge the mistakes of the past.
One filipino trait is to hide all negative things, to point out these
things is considered rude and impolite.
Maybe our misunderstanding is just a culture clash.
Maybe you should consider all sides of a story before you feel
insulted or is your selfconfidence too weak?
Art...@cebu.com
> The ***most likely*** scenario having stamped the
>
> >>>>>>>>>>(5 pages of pseudo-legalese clipped)
>
> "UNDESIRABLE ALIEN: SUBJECT TO DEPORTATION" in his US passportand
> application for tourist visa extension.
Yes, I paid "tea money" to immigration officers before the "reform",
everybody did.
Then came that neurotic bitch Miriam D. Santiago into office,
with it the change came, I left for a few weeks, came back and was told I
could stay only 12 month
consecutively, the application processes for extensions were Kaffkaesk (I'm
sure a few fellow guys
who read this newsgroup still remember this going from window to window,
paying this and that,
collecting stamps and receipts - it truly looked like a nuthouse)
so before that 12 month period after my re-arrival I left for good - your
10 page long gibberish about undesirable alien is absolute nonsense!
Maybe you're telling YOUR story in California here?
>>>>>>> here I snipped 15 pages were Mr guadiz rambles on and on - say - do
you have to much time on your hand?
> So …, Mr. <art...@cebu.com> you can instead count your blessings
> for not having been ensnared in the government dragnet. If only
> I was physically present in The Philippines; if only I knew
> and had an idea then what I have gathered from you now; at the
> very least some unidentified friends and relatives in the legal
> professions, judicial system and the military could have taken
> a more pointed look into your presence and activities in
> Inang Bayan.
You could've said: If I would've known you then, some cop friends of mine
could have
examined your stay and activities.
But you need so much more words to say so little - a typical filipino trait
and btw: your high-powered friends in the military would've found NOTHING!
I traveled, I partied a bit, I sampled a few local girls here and there, I
lazed at the beach - typical
activities for a tourist nothing out of the ordinary - where and why did I
ever give you the impression
I was involved in any illegal activities.
Your friends would've wasted their time - but then again - that is the only
thing most filipino males do anyway....
> Thanks a lot for your stay and the dollars you spent - well,
> you went there voluntarily, without any undue influence and
> even filed a petition ..........bla bla bla
>>>>>>>more snip because your verbal diarriha never ends.....
A few filipinos who read my polemic take offense, every educated flip and
surely every white guy
that stayed an extended period of time in RP knows that I didn't have to
make things up.
You on the other hand try - with ridiculous result - to slander me and make
up "crimes" without any
foundation or merit.
I would appreciate if you give up your smear campaign.
Art...@cebu.com
> MY STUPIT COMMENTS:
>
> This foreigner <art...@cebu.com> once again states
> unequivocably that he was ***SLANDERED*** without
> even establishing a firm foundation and legal basis
We are in a newsgroup benjamin - not in a court of law,
you called me a pimp and pedophile - if this is no slander what is?
You never seen me, don't know what I did and did not in RP during
my years there, yet your huge inferiority complex compels you to
constantly bark at me like a dog at the moon...
You hate foreigners because we use to go over there and sleep with
your woman, they liked us more then you because we white people
have manners, more money and we can hold the liqueur,
not making a total fool out of ourselves like you guys do after 2 or 3
beers.
quit asshole!
Art...@cebu.com
It is so aggravating to hear you guys ramble on, screw up facts,
invent total untrue stories and then wonder when everybody
look down on you because you can't think straight and mix up
everything!
It never occurred to you that I could've lived in RP from 83 - 85 (2 yr..)
then from 87 - 89 (2 yr.) and again 90 - 91 (1 yr.) adding up to a total of 5
years during the 80's? (just an example)
Shows what an idiot you are.
Art...@cebu.com
> DA POREYNER,
...meaning: "the foreigner" - please refrain from this bastardisation of the
english language!
> in the above-reproduced caption averred the Aquino
> regime ***changed*** the immigration rules WITHOUT even substantiating
> which statutory / legislative / enacted law, or executive order, or
> bureaucratic
> circular provided the executory power to effect said claimed changes.
>
> It is a well-acknowledged fact in A-N-Y argumentation that allegations
> improperly verified or without veracity are, for all intents and purposes,
> completely devoid of merit !!!
>
> My own conclusion is: The above-mentioned allegation of DA WINNER
> is a complete falsehood and without an iota of credibility.
>
> manure ben
> bl...@ix.netcom.com
> bl...@earthlink.net
> Colton, CA 92324
> USA
Again: What is your fucking point? You just masturbate with words here!
It's that simple: When it was easy (with some "tea money") to obtain a visa
extension
(where is the harm anyway - a million flips live in Los Angeles on an expired
tourist visa)
a lot of FOREIGNERS loved to stay for years and spent their dollars,
when it got hustlesome we left - no pseudo - legalese can mask that: You
screwed up!
The Philippines was and is a poor country with 70% of the population living in
poverty,
the forfeit of the tourist dollar is stupid and hits mostly the poor people.
Why do you flip live in the US ?
Art...@cebu.com
> Corazon C. Aquino assumed the Presidency in FEBRUARY, 1986.
> I repeat, it was in February, One Thousand Nineteen Hundred and
> Eighty-Six ..., A.D. (Ano Domini).
So what?
> Possibly, DA OVERTAYING TOURIST had a rough nite drinking
> his adulterated whiskey
Overtaying? Do you mean Overstaying? I never did that, I wrote so here.
So it's not ineptness to digest the facts, but maliciousness on your part
to constantly write lies about me here?
If my whiskey was adulterated it must've been a flip who did the adulterating
or?
I believe I can drink double the amount as you and still be a gentleman while
you
probably grope woman, talk bullshit, puke and piss in your pants (I never
understood
why flips drink every day - they should know that they make fools out of
themselves after
some beers or some Ańjejo.
> he can "no longer afford the istet-side Johnny
> Walker",
> hence his departure !!!) so much so that he mistakenly read 1986 as 1996 ...
You start to annoy me with your witless crap
Art...@cebu.com
> Isn't it a fact that you owned, managed, ran, controlled or
> had a vested interest in some house of ill-repute; or that you were
> engaged in certain unidentified criminal activities which, for
> your own good, necessitated your hasty retreat and departure
> from Perlas ng Silangan ???
I'm wasting my time here - it is fruitless to answer this flamebait.
I apologize to the newsgroup for trying to set the record straight
and posting answers to the jerk tonight.
For white gents wishing to go to the Philippines for holiday:
Rule # 1: Don't try to argue with a filipino - you can't win!
I rest my case - Mr. Guadiz: Nobody kicks a dead dog - this thread is a dead
dog!
I will never again answer one of your posts, if you're a man then you made
your point
and will have the insight to let it go,
if you still gnaw on your filipino inferiority complex toward white men you
will continue
to beat the dead issue - I can't hinder you
bye bye
Robert Chin
1 in the 90's.
Not very bright, are you?
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
>
> What is your fucking point?
Dirty Sick Pig
>
> I still like the babae of Cebu
Of course you would. That's all you think about, right? That's why you
came to the Philippines, right? And Thailand?
> and wish myself I could return one day, laze under palm trees, drink a coconut,
May the coconut slide down your gullet effortlessly. Enjoy. Don't
forget to strip some of the husk before you drink the nut whole.
Dirty Sick Pig
>
> tansong isda wrote:
>
> > I didn't find anything derogatory
> > against you...
>
> either you don't know how to read guadiz's insult or
> you don't feel insulted being called a pedophile and pimp
> I am insulted by it
I understand how you feel. Really. You are just plainly interested in
pre-pubescent girls and you pander.
>
> > You know how to be a Pinoy, but I don't know if
> > Pinoy's would appreciate the insult that you have
> > thrown...I certainly don't.
>
> yea - truth hurts sometime
> and what exactly makes me a troll?
You published your free speech where it would clash with other people's
freedom of speech. As an analogy, you have the right to bear arms;
point that weapon at me and your right to bear arms will be challenged.
> Tell me the ugly part of my culture,
You are.
> tell me the truth about my country - there are many things you could come up with!
Just one: it sucks only because of people like you.
> I won't call you a troll for it because I believe the first step toward
> a better future is to ackknowledge the mistakes of the past.
Ok. I'll post my opinion of people like you in the American culture
newsgroup.
> One filipino trait is to hide all negative things, to point out these
> things is considered rude and impolite.
Is that so? I appreciate your DECADES of experience in Filipino
culture.
> Maybe our misunderstanding is just a culture clash.
No, it's not. You felt insulted, remember? Keep it at that personal
level and leave culture out of it.
> Maybe you should consider all sides of a story before you feel
> insulted or is your selfconfidence too weak?
Heed your own advice, trollie boy.
tansong isda
>
> tansong isda wrote:
>
> > I didn't find anything derogatory
> > against you...
>
> either you don't know how to read guadiz's insult or
> you don't feel insulted being called a pedophile and pimp
> I am insulted by it
>
fits"....end of story
>
> yea - truth hurts sometime
> and what exactly makes me a troll?
> Tell me the ugly part of my culture,
paradise for the mighty dollar!!
> tell me the truth about my country - there are many things you could come up with!
> a better future is to ackknowledge the mistakes of the past.
the onlaught of agression!
> One filipino trait is to hide all negative things, to point out these
> things is considered rude and impolite.
not one of them.
> Maybe our misunderstanding is just a culture clash.
> insulted or is your selfconfidence too weak?
I'd rather have B. Guadiz fucj with you, he knows
your story.
Hudson N Jackson II
Art...@Cebu.com wrote in message <3786F72C...@Cebu.com>...
>Benjamin Guadiz wrote:
>
>> Corazon C. Aquino assumed the Presidency in FEBRUARY, 1986.
>> I repeat, it was in February, One Thousand Nineteen Hundred and
>> Eighty-Six ..., A.D. (Ano Domini).
>
>So what?
So what??!? *You're* the one who said 1996. So, lessee. . . that would
mean Ramos was taken out of Malacañang only 4 years into his term, and then
what do you say about Estrada? This is what you might be implying, I don't
know.
One of the reasons someone has trouble relating to people of another culture
is that the person does not take time to understand the customs, traditions,
and history. Your lack of understanding of Philippine history as
demonstrated when you began the offensive thread will upset people no doubt,
it's just that folks like Manong Ben have different ways of showing it.
Sure, you'll see no anger in their posts, but then, to show anger is
improper.
Advice: know the history, respect the people. Forgive them for whatever
flaws you perceive them to have.
- Hudson
P.S. If either of you need a mediator, I will be glad to find one for you.
Joekerr, Nina, Tansong. . . any of you interested. . . any takers?
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
==========
MY COMMENTS:
(A) Self-imposed moratorium is in place as per the above-mentioned
poster's capitulation. This should NOT BE construed that I have waived
all my rights to Freedom of Speech; specifically on this current series.
<Art...@cebu.com> and all others of his US-centric perspectives
are hereby warned A-N-Y repetition or similar posting of their POVs
which are deemed to be offensive ***shall be dealt with in the most stern
manner***. One's rights to First Amendment, e.g., posting articles in
SCF, includes corollary rights of others to comment, affirm, contradict
as well as accept / reject the ideas thus propounded.
This is a reminder which "foreigners" MUST and SHOULD accept
which they, unfortunately, at times consider as radical views contrary
to their myopic "universally-accepted" perspectives.
manong ben
Art...@cebu.com
> Your lack of understanding of Philippine history...
good grief - it was a typo! I am aware that Aquino got elected 1986.
To misconstrue that into "total ignorance about filipino history" is pretty
malicious isn't it?
> If either of you need a mediator...
I called him a male prostitute - ok - that was uncalled for!
He invented the brothel owner/operator story, I stated that I never did such
a thing (in the Philippines or elsewhere) nevertheless he kept insisting that I
did,
without reason, without a shred of evidence.
Originally I gave advise on the age of consent and how the AOC issue is
dealt with in the Philippines (yes, again: There is a double standard,
interpretation
is totally different, depending on if the defendant is foreigner or local, rich
or poor).
It is sad that some people are so immature that a statement like mine can whip
them into
a rage that compels them to post slander about a man they don't know at all,
have no facts about.
I came across filipinos like Guadiz while living in the Philippines: Their
complicated,
bloated way of saying things is straining to listening to, they get everything
wrong,
one has to explain and insist in the way the story goes over and over again.
Tell a simple story to a filipino, let him tell it back to you after 2 minutes -
you
won't recognize a thing! Read a story in the Manila Bulletin or Manila Times
so see what I'm talking about check out this:
http://www.manilatimes.net/opinion/opinion071199a.html
Today guadiz has misinterpreted me giving up on this foolish drivel as
"capitulation" - what can I say?
The man does have a warped mind and likes to quarrel - I see no further benefit
in engaging in a discussion
with him - like I said: Nobody wins an argument with a filipino - EVER!
Many filipinos have the mind of a 12 year old and a frustration threshold of a
spoiled, cranky toddler, guadiz is one of them.
I have seen flips going at each others throat over very minor issues, like
children - just with more serious result.
The oak doesn't care when the pig scratches itself on it's bark.
Therefore: Thank you for the offer, but no mediator needed!
R M Abacan
tansong isda
Read that opinion, couldn't find anything that
would explain your opinion on Filipino's manner
of speech(written in this case), I have no idea
what's bugging you...
> Today guadiz has misinterpreted me giving up on this foolish drivel as
> "capitulation" - what can I say?
> The man does have a warped mind and likes to quarrel - I see no further benefit
> in engaging in a discussion
> with him - like I said: Nobody wins an argument with a filipino - EVER!
> Many filipinos have the mind of a 12 year old and a frustration threshold of a
> spoiled, cranky toddler, guadiz is one of them.
> I have seen flips going at each others throat over very minor issues, like
> children - just with more serious result.
>
This is what's bugging me, you are spousing
opinion on a wholesale level. That is RACIST! And
that is not the way to argue any point! Also a
reason to get you booted out of your ISP...inspite
of that "Freedom of speech", this is not tolerated
by most carriers, Bellsouth certainly don't want
this kind of drivel.
> The oak doesn't care when the pig scratches itself on it's bark.
> Therefore: Thank you for the offer, but no mediator needed!
If there is a mediator here, your racist post
would not even appear!
Art...@cebu.com
> ... you are spousing opinion on a wholesale level. That is RACIST! And that is not
> the way to argue any point!
I was writing about the filipino mentality, I was not insulting you personally, sorry
if you see it that way.
Many of your countrymen are in fact somewhat childish in character,
the immature reactions I got here proof that
or are you filipino writers in here all between the ages of 12 and 15?
You will find this traits in every country, but foreigners visiting RP and Filipinos
that worked abroad
will see this typical filipino mentality, I often talked about it so I know I'm not
the only one with this opinion.
> Also a reason to get you booted out of your ISP...inspite of that "Freedom of
> speech", this is not tolerated
> by most carriers, Bellsouth certainly don't want this kind of drivel.
Bellsouth has not yet reacted to your complaints, maybe you're writing to the wrong
address?
Try this: ab...@bellsouth.net, news...@bellsouth.net, webm...@bellsouth.net
I am confident that I will not receive a cancellation of my account.or even a warning
.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
PS: I remember "isda" means fish in cebuano - is that right?
Hudson N Jackson II
Art...@Cebu.com wrote in message <3788D86D...@Cebu.com>...
>Hudson N Jackson II wrote:
>
>> Your lack of understanding of Philippine history...
>
>good grief - it was a typo! I am aware that Aquino got elected 1986.
>To misconstrue that into "total ignorance about filipino history" is pretty
>malicious isn't it?
Little hard for me to determine earlier, considering I don't read every
single post coming into the newsgroup. Now I know. . . patawad po. . .
>I came across filipinos like Guadiz while living in the Philippines: Their
>complicated,
>bloated way of saying things is straining to listening to, they get
everything
>wrong,
>one has to explain and insist in the way the story goes over and over
again.
Okey, and I'll tell you this also. I'm not going to take sides on who got
what story right here, but I have to tell you that there are quite a few
Pinoys who will talk quite a lot, even exaggerating at times. . . either to
tease or because they don't know what's going on and don't want to show
that.
>won't recognize a thing! Read a story in the Manila Bulletin or Manila
Times
>so see what I'm talking about check out this:
>http://www.manilatimes.net/opinion/opinion071199a.html
I'll be sure to do that when I have ample time. But you know, amerikanos do
the same thing in politics and in the predominately liberal media as well,
so it's not like there's something unique here. . .
>Today guadiz has misinterpreted me giving up on this foolish drivel as
>"capitulation" - what can I say?
Can you say. . . "exaggeration"? :-)
>The man does have a warped mind and likes to quarrel - I see no further
benefit
>in engaging in a discussion
>with him - like I said: Nobody wins an argument with a filipino - EVER!
I got the impression that he's a lawyer. . . and if I remember correctly,
someone posted not too long ago a message asking him to kinda get out of
that mode. No, he's not condescending nor has he argued during the time
I've been on board.
Concerning arguments:
1. First, the statement's not logically sound.
Proof: Picture this situation - Argument, Pinoy against Pinoy. . . topic
is, whose fault for causing car accident. Both point fingers at each other
along the shoulder of some main road in Metro Manila, both debate, show
evidence, then shout. Both of them are standing beside their cars, hiding
0.45 magnums in their hands. One decides to extend a hand, as if to make
peace, the other fires. . . end of story. A Pinoy won the battle, but might
lose the war if arrested. So much for *nobody* winning. . .
2. Second, I sense a frustration factor here. There is some word in Tagalog
that I just can't remember, but it describes the inability to get someone to
understand your views. . . or get someone to change their ways.
3. Last, they try to avoid arguments whenever possible. When you started
the thread, there was a lot I was upset about because it wasn't totally
representative and probably not truthful of Pinoys in the RP (or, Inang
Bayan). I didn't think it necessary to warn you of what you might start
because I did that to others twice before and no future static came up, and
besides, a couple of others did that before I could anyways. I can forgive
you for calling Manong Ben a few names, but the post with all of the gripes
about the Philippines is another issue. This isn't a matter of PC (and yes,
I hate PC), but a matter of sensitivities. . . trying to do everything
possible to avoid conflicts like this one. It's called "smooth
interpersonal relations".
>Many filipinos have the mind of a 12 year old and a frustration threshold
of a
>spoiled, cranky toddler, guadiz is one of them.
Yeah, actually, they're much more mature than you think. I've personally
met enough of them to know.
What's worse than not knowing history (which isn't an issue anymore) is not
understanding people. I hope your above statement was not a stereotype of
sorts, it could lead to more flames.
>Therefore: Thank you for the offer, but no mediator needed!
Okey, but I'll have tanks full of water close by, so that we can prevent
newsgroup brush fires. Just thought you might want to know.
By the way, Aling Penny, Aling Joanna, Nina, Steve, Tansong, Charles. . . if
you see brush fires, let me know, I've got about 3 trillion gallons of water
ready. . . straight from the Chesapeake Bay! :-)
Now, back to your regularly scheduled debate or argument. . . but keep it
clean, and keep it fair!
- Hudson
benriquez
>
>foreigners visiting RP and Filipinos that worked abroad will see this
>typical filipino mentality, I often talked about it so I know I'm not the
>only one with this opinion.
So tell me, howcome the Philippines (tied with Singapore) have been
voted the best Asian country for expatriate living? This is according
to an annual survey conducted by a foreign-based PERC (Political and
Economic Risk Consultancy Ltd.)
benriquez
BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ
<H2JA...@prodigy.net> writes:
>
>
>Art...@Cebu.com wrote in message <3788D86D...@Cebu.com>...
>>Hudson N Jackson II wrote:
>>
>I got the impression that he's a lawyer. . . and if I remember
correctly,
>someone posted not too long ago a message asking him to kinda get out
of
>that mode. No, he's not condescending nor has he argued during the
time
>I've been on board.
==========
MY COMMENTS:
Sincerest appreciation for Manong Hud's kind remarks.
The most I will humbly admit to is I was given a little
privilege to have a more-than-the-average-Pinoy's
understanding of the law. After all, I sweated it out
in my L-classes in some "diploma mill" school sometime
in the distant past. I also enjoyed fully well my
Logic and Argumentation and Debate classes and other
related subjects. I am NOT saying I know it all
as any legal counsel is expected to do at consultation.
Allow me to say, however, I know what I speak of and
have the necessary wherewithals including, but not
limited to, law books, articles, journals, legal cases,
references and other related sources to provide credibility
to my SCF postings.
Acquaintances and friends whom I have met in previous
SCF parties in the Bay Area can attest to my activities
in the newsgroup. It should NOT be construed, therefore,
that my posted articles are to "quarrel" with someone.
I attempt to post what is the TRUTH; hence, at argumentation
and debate, there is no better way to ferret and dignify
the truth than to aggressively expound one's perspectives.
And for the individual who wishes to go toe-to-toe,
my message is: "Please feel free to do so; but I only
expect you know how to argue; what you're talking about
and 'win the issues' by arguing in an acceptable manner".
This assumes, of course, if the person having contrary
views has an understanding of issues and how to present
said matters in an acceptable manner - with the necessary
materials/references to sustain his/her arguments.
Although SCF is NOT and NEVER a Philippine court
of law, what many cannot understand is SCF stands for
Social Culture Filipino. In this forum we discuss
matters of Filipiniana nature, e.g., Law, Politics,
Government, chismis, Business, Culture, News, Morals,
Cuisine, Finances, Science and Development, Education,
OCWs, US-RP relations, inter alia. Discussions are
carried worldwide in the electronic medium; hence
the marketplace of ideas and expression by rights of
Free Speech. While we may NOT be within the physical
confines of a Philippine court of law, we are actually
in a worldwide court of opinion. As such, exchange of
ideas occur. One need not be inside a Philippine
courtroom to point out the law; corollary to that,
one need not be a lawyer to write and post legalese
or SCF articles with a legal twist.
That said, I cannot change my posting style. To pretend
otherwise is only deceit on my part. BTW, can a leopard
change his skin???
Mr. Arturo <Art...@cebu.com> and all others having an
interest on my past SCF activities, they are more than
welcomed to search their respective archives.
jOn-E
Hello,
I dont really understand the point of your rant here
Mr.Arturo. You say all this crap and then in your next letter you say
the only way a country can advance is to know it's faults and IMPROVE
on them. Well in this letter, all you do is just complain about this
and that. How is your criticism any help honestly? The only thing i
personally get from it is that you are bitter about how GOOD IT WAS
for you back then. Now that it has changed you feel you are betrayed
by the Filipino people particularly the men. The econony was blahblah.
As in life, you know no one owes you anything, especially the people
of the Phillipines. Of course, when you did stay there both the poeple
and you benefited from your supposed spending habits, but now that the
economy doesnt care to accomdate you anymore and throw you out the
window, you feel like it's a betrayal. haha. Grow up.
Honestly speaking, no one really gives a damn what you think,
or percieve or even feel betrayed that "THEY" pushed you out of the
country. You are a guest int he country, UNTIL which time they feel
you are no longer needed or wanted. You make it sound like the country
owes you something. That it shouldn't have changed because you are
living a great life, living cheaply as you put it off the economically
disadvantaged. Things change, whether it's for thepositive or
negative. Deal with it. No one asked you /nor cares for you to be in
that country. If you dont like it get the fuck out. Of course, that's
what you did. End of discussion. You just sound very bitter.
For Eg. Look at the United States..with all this corruption (president
clinton & Lewinsky , mass killing (Columbine) and countless other
crimes that you hear on the news everyday. Do you think it's
productive for the President to come on national TV and complain about
how it USED TO BE GOOD, HOW NO ONE KILLED EACH OTHER SENSELESSLY
BEFORE, HOW IT USED TO BE LIKE THIS.ETC ETC. You get my clue or do I
have to repeat it slowly for you? There's a fine line between just
bitter old complaining and making valid constructive criticism of
society's problems. Obviously, by your letter and attitude it's not of
the later.
So please do all of us a favor and make some constructive
criticisms before you make a fool out of yourself even more.
John
ketty
otherwords.....DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!!!!
tansong isda
>
> I was writing about the filipino mentality, I was not insulting you personally, sorry
> if you see it that way.
> Many of your countrymen are in fact somewhat childish in character,
> the immature reactions I got here proof that
> or are you filipino writers in here all between the ages of 12 and 15?
> that worked abroad
> will see this typical filipino mentality, I often talked about it so I know I'm not
> the only one with this opinion.
>
actually the same words that the American govt.
used to justify the occupation of the country. Do
I need to say more, watch your words, you are
telling me what you are!!
> Bellsouth has not yet reacted to your complaints, maybe you're writing to the wrong
> address?
> Try this: ab...@bellsouth.net, news...@bellsouth.net, webm...@bellsouth.net
> I am confident that I will not receive a cancellation of my account.or even a warning
> .
> Let me know if you have any more questions.
> PS: I remember "isda" means fish in cebuano - is that right?
Correct! I am a fish, I have not complained yet,
but guess what? Your posts here will add more
rope....
You overstayed in the Philippines and established
a business while a tourist, this is illegal!
You'll need a different kind of visa for
that....and you are complaining that no one
accepted your bribe to look the other way, who is
being childish?
Here's a Cebuano word for you, kangug!!
tansong isda
Manong Ben!,
Keep posting the way you always do, it is
you...besides, this legal flowers that you spout
can be legal poetry. This is common among lawyers
here in the US, well at least in Southern US
states.
For me, it is an admirable trait. However, some
people, tho' you are posting impartially and just
voicing words according to what the law implies,
it gets misconstrued.
Ar...@cebu.com
> ...Honestly speaking, no one really gives a damn what you think..
You care enough to write a lengthy answer here!
> ...[you] feel betrayed that "THEY" pushed you out of the country.
I told my story three times: I lived in RP, things got unfriendly, I left,
came back,
left for good soon after.
Yet you - like some people before - try to make this simple, easy to
understand
and clean story into a tale of deception and lawbreaking - you must be
filipino!
> you are living a great life, living cheaply as you put it off the
> economically disadvantaged.
I heard that a lot from filipinos, specially the educated ones - the ones
treat their own gardeners,
nannies and housecleaners like dirt and pay them shit!
How in the world did I live "off" the "economically disadvantaged"
people?
I paid my bill to my landlord, to PAL, to hotels, to restaurants like
everybody else anywhere in the world,
and yes, prices in RP were once a good reason to go there. There is
nothing in this department
that you and people like you can say that would make me feel bad,
during my stay I helped poor people, I gave money and things like clothes
without accepting anything
in return, sadly not too many rich filipinos do that to non family
members! And the upperclass is mostly
responsible for the plight of the poor people - everytime I hear the likes
of you ramble on about the IMF
and US unfair treatment of the Philippines- I must laugh! That's so
typical scapegoating - unless you
consider insisting in paying back loans unfair treatment!
> No one asked you /nor cares for you to be in that country.
I could show you a LOT of people that got financially hurt when so many
retirees left,
a lot of people that went to the streets under Marcos, were firebrand
supporters
of Cory turned 180 degrees and scorned her for her shortsighted treatment
of people
like me, forfeiting hard currency needlessly. I guarantee you - they care!
Ar...@cebu.com
> Correct! I am a fish, I have not complained yet,
> but guess what? Your posts here will add more
> rope....
> You overstayed in the Philippines and established
> a business while a tourist, this is illegal!
> You'll need a different kind of visa for
> that....and you are complaining that no one
> accepted your bribe to look the other way, who is
> being childish?
> Here's a Cebuano word for you, kangug!!
For the 5th or so fucking time:
- I never overstayed in RP, up 1988 it was possible to extend a tourist visa for as long as
one wanted.
- I didn't engage in any business (you must be filipino that you don't get that), but lived
with money I had before I arrived.
- and whenever anyone offered a bribe I never knew of a flip official who didn't accept one!
I forgot what kangug means but you must be bo-ang!
Again: Some flips are argumentative but have no capacity to argue, they often invent facts
and accuse someone falsely
and have very little ability to keep even a simple story straight and tell it back the way
it was told to them.
They can't stand to loose an argument and are incapable to admit that they're wrong.
Got enough rope now? Complaints to: ab...@bellsouth.net
Have a nice day
tansong isda
>
> For the 5th or so fucking time:
>
> - I never overstayed in RP, up 1988 it was possible to extend a tourist visa for as long as
> one wanted.
> - I didn't engage in any business (you must be filipino that you don't get that), but lived
> with money I had before I arrived.
> - and whenever anyone offered a bribe I never knew of a flip official who didn't accept one!
>
> I forgot what kangug means but you must be bo-ang!
>
> Again: Some flips are argumentative but have no capacity to argue, they often invent facts
> and accuse someone falsely
Do you want me to post your own words here?
Actually, I don't even care what and who you are!
This is my opinion and would remain so, I think
you are expecting too much of the Philippines, and
more than likely received especial treatment from
McCoy and family so now you are crying boo-hoo!!
Poor me!! The next president didn't give you the
same treatment, so you are crying....and posting
in the net as if anyone cares!
> and have very little ability to keep even a simple story straight and tell it back the way
> it was told to them.
> They can't stand to loose an argument and are incapable to admit that they're wrong.
>
> Got enough rope now? Complaints to: ab...@bellsouth.net
>
> Have a nice day
I don't have any arguments, I told you I don't
like what you are writing and I will let somebody
else complain, for now. I am wrong in thinking
that you might just keep your racist views to
yourself. I guess not, you only proved to me that
in all the years that you lived in the
Philippines, you did not made any effort to learn
about the people and it's cultures, otherwise, you
would have been enjoying yourself, still in Cebu!!
An argument in the net is fleeting and not worth
getting hot about...BTW, I am boang and proud of
it!!! Fuck you to.
MarcL
made you so bitter. You can't appreciate the uniqueness of Phil culture nor
you can sympathise other countries of life but then it make me wonder why
what come to you to live in those places for years.
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> I came to the Philippines in the early 80's,
> although I found Manila a dirthole and wondered why
> most people throughout the archipelago don't keep their place
> nice and tidy (with exemptions like Siquihor island and Dumagueti City
> among some others)
> but litter everywhere and don't seem to bother living in what resembles
> garbage dumps.
> I specially learned quick to despise males - all they ever care about is
> how to get drunk.
> Jeepney driver urinate on the wheels of their own vehicles, I've seen
> guy's defecating in the
> middle of the city. This people have no manners and no pride, most will
> sell a piece of
> ass for 100 pesos and they love to cheat, steal and beg.
> At least in the first couple of years this little brown fuckers had
> respect in front of a
> white man, which made being in their presence somewhat bearable.
> In 5 years I found no more then a dozen or so exemptions, halve of them
> chinese, the other half
> guys that worked or studied abroad and had acquired some manners and
> culture.
> Up to today I value them as true friends and they will readily admit
> that most of their countrymen
> are disgusting.
>
> In stark contrast the females: Silky skin, big dark eyes, wonderful
> hair, sweet and intelligent.
> I fell in love with one and we been together for 5 years. She had to
> suffer
> from the jealousy of her countrymen who called her prostitute and such
> just because
> she was going with a foreigner. Once I took her abroad (to Thailand) and
> it has been
> one of the happier times we had together.
>
> I always wondered that a country could have halve the population made up
> of such idiots
> and the other halve with such grace and dignity.
>
> Aquino was swept to power in 1996 and for the first 2 years or so there
> was little change.
> Then the people started to ask what happened to all the promises of a
> better life after
> Ferdinand Marcos - of course Mrs. Aquino couldn't deliver, the economy
> was still in a
> shambles - so she looked for a scapegoat.
> From that time on the foreigner as pictured in the local press came to
> the Philippines to:
> - rape the woman
> - molest little boys and girls
> - steal our natural recourses
> - take our business opportunities
> and much more of such nonsense!
> The last one is particular stupid, because a job taker for unskilled
> labor
> like waiter or chambermaid always fares much better when employed by a
> foreigner
> then a local filipino or filipino-chinese employer.
>
> A big additional pain in the butt was peoples flight from the rural
> areas into the cities.
> I lived in Cebu City and saw this place changing from your quiet,
> provincial 3. world town
> into a traffic choked, polluted, crime ridden metropolis - and that at
> dizzying speed.
> It felt as the population doubled every two years during my stay.
> Then the inept and treacherous Aquino regime changed the immigration
> rules and hustled foreigners
> for more money and made it inconvenient to extent a tourist visa.
> I have never done a illegal thing in my life, the place used to be cheap
> so for the entire time I lived there
> I had no necessity to work, just lived of my savings and income from
> abroad.
> I always felt the foreigners where beneficial spending their dollars
> there so I felt deeply
> insulted with all this ridiculous accusations.
> The last straw was when prices skyrocketed. I packed my bags and left.
> Today there are places in the world where one pays less for everyday
> items, and feels protected
> and appreciated by the authorities as a hard currency spender. People
> like me who want to
> have a good time, and stay for extended periods to escape the winter at
> home have a wide choice:
> Cuba, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Equador, Honduras, Thailand, Aruba,
> Bonaire, Curacao, New Zealand,
> to name a few.
> Filipinos always liked to bite the hand that feed them, just look at how
> they got the american bases out of
> subic bay (I heard both countries have a new treaty and want to reverse
> this).
> I don't need a flip to call me names just because I lived in his
> country for some time.
> I don't need the country - there are lots of other places where I get a
> better deal!
> The land of 7,000 islands must've been a paradise up to the middle of
> this century,
> but population explosion, deforestation, dynamite fishing, a mismanaging
> and corrupt government
> and cities that grow without any planing like cancer
> have changed this country profoundly - once beautiful today it's as ugly
> as can be, a health hazard, dirty,
> expensive, with unfriendly people and dangerous.
> Don't drink the water, don't go out at night, don't wear a ring or watch
> ...........
>
> You may keep it Mr Guadiz - oh wait - you fled to California
> yourself......
MarcL
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
>
> You got me there - knowing how some people live in my own
> country, the wealthiest nation on earth is the true irony as well as
> proof that poverty is less lack of money then lack of brains because
> EVERY american can make at least enough do live
> a halfway decent life here.
> Sadly drugs, alcohol, gambling and the like are the shovel
> most people dig their own grave with.
>
You haven't seen all those homeless people in the US, or just pretending
they don't exist
because you now live in far away places where you create reality based on
your opinion.
>
>
> I loved the Philippines once, they changed, I got bitterly disappointed,
>
> I felt unjustly and summarily accused of ridiculous things from
> a enormously inept and arrogant government
> using "the foreigner" as a convenient scapegoat and I still believe
> that the poor filipinos suffered from the foreigner exodus that ensued
> from 1988 on.
>
I guess this is the reason why you are so pissed off with the Phil. I'm
just wondering
why there are still foreigners living and doing business in RP despite
you're opinion
that RP is bad for foreigners. But judging from your arrogance you're still
in the trapped
in a time-wrap in an era where foreigners (specially the 'Kano' type) in RP
thought
that they should treated by the gov't and Filipinos as little gods and
goddesses who are above
everybody and everything. Pwe !
>
Benjamin Guadiz
MarcL wrote:
> Wow, reading from your post makes me wonder what on earth
> made you so bitter. You can't appreciate the uniqueness of Phil culture nor
> you can sympathise other countries of life but then it make me wonder why
> what come to you to live in those places for years.
>
=========
MY COMMENTS:
I have prepared a speculative reason, and several other articles,
why THE FOREIGNER left Perlas ng Silangan with a taint of bitterness
and resentment. I have, by gentlemen's agreement, temporarily withheld
posting said articles in this forum.
However, if Mr. "Retirable" Arturo continues to pursue this line
of reasoning, I shall be constrained to do so. It is my impression
he can read and understand the the subtle implication.
Art...@cebu.net
> Wow, reading from your post makes me wonder what on earth made you so bitter.
I'm not bitter, my posts here only reflect my opinions about RP, which is only
a small part
of me and my life.
> You can't appreciate the uniqueness of Phil culture nor
> you can sympathise other countries of life but then it make me wonder why
> what come to you to live in those places for years.
What part of Phil culture you're talking about? Drinking, lying or stealing?
Here's a piece of culture: That transparent shirt (Barong) was really an
invention
of the spaniards, they required all flips to wear one when entering intramuros
(the spanish quarters in Manila at the time) so they could see if Mr. flip
tried
to bring weapons in or stole something and tried to bring it out!
They called their colony "islas de los ladrones" - islands of the thief's.
And what is that about other "countries of life" and my sympathy toward them?
I get along with almost all caribes, latinos, asians, europeans, americans,
mooseheads
even eskimos - just changed my verdict for flips from
generally good to generally assholes.
> You haven't seen all those homeless people in the US, or just pretending they
> don't exist
> because you now live in far away places
Some homeless are honest, hardworking folks down on their luck,
or sufferers of mental disorders
and it's a shame that my country, with all it's wealth let this happen,
(btw: I been a volunteer for habitat for humanity)
but the majority are there on their own doing: Drinking, crack, heroin....
> ...where you create reality based on your opinion.I guess this is the reason
> why you are so pissed off with the Phil.
Everybody creates his/her own reality based on what we experience,
one person may have a wonderful time while another lives a nightmare
- all at the same place, the same time.
I once stayed 6 month in Caracas, Venezuela - I had a real good time but came
across
a some european and north american tourists - 9 out of 10 of this people were
robbed,
some at gunpoint! Needless to say: They all swore to vacation rather on the
moon next
year then coming back to this @#$&ing place!
Now - I knew Caracas is kinda hardass place and I took all precautions,
but since I'm the lucky one I really have only good and fond memories about the
place
(Venezuelan girls are out of this world)
> I'm just wondering why there are still foreigners living and doing business
> in RP despite
> you're opinion that RP is bad for foreigners. But judging from your arrogance
> you're still
> in the trapped in a time-wrap in an era where foreigners (specially the
> 'Kano' type) in RP
> thought that they should treated by the gov't and Filipinos as little gods
> and
> goddesses who are above everybody and everything. Pwe !
It's "your opinion" not "you're opinion" and what is "time-wrap", "Pwe" and
"Kano type?
The majority of foreigners still living in RP will some day leave like I did,
the ones that do biz there will leave with lighter pockets then they had upon
their arrival.
Don't get me wrong here: 9 out of 10 new biz in the US fail but foreigners
chances in RP
are more 999 : 1.
Yes, when I first came Marcos and his gov. treated me right, I acknowledge that
he was
pretty rough on his own people but we foreigners were treated with extra care
and I liked
that. (Ferdinando knew who brought him the dollars)
Aquino did the opposite and treated us worse then the locals which resulted in
a lot
of foreign capital flight out of the country. Only big corporations (Bayer,
Matsushita, Caterpillar)
can be successful in RP and their profits are expatriated, the small foreigner
with filipina wife,
investing in a restaurant or beach resort got burned, this people actually were
very beneficial
to the economy, specially to the poor people of RP, they employed unskilled
labor in rural areas.
Have a nice day
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.net wrote:
> MarcL wrote:
>
> What part of Phil culture you're talking about? Drinking, lying or stealing?
> Here's a piece of culture: That transparent shirt (Barong) was really an
> invention
> of the spaniards, they required all flips to wear one when entering intramuros
> (the spanish quarters in Manila at the time) so they could see if Mr. flip
> tried
> to bring weapons in or stole something and tried to bring it out!
> They called their colony "islas de los ladrones" - islands of the thief's.
>
==========
MY COMMENTS:
A complete falsehood and an outright ignorance of history.
The island of G-U-A-M had the notorious distinction of being
called Ladrones Islands - NOT Inang Bayan.
benll
remember my history lessons...
Benjamin Guadiz <bl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:378C0A5E...@earthlink.net...
tansong isda
>
> I'm not bitter, my posts here only reflect my opinions about RP, which is only
> a small part
> of me and my life.
>
under an assumed identity.
> What part of Phil culture you're talking about? Drinking, lying or stealing?
> Here's a piece of culture: That transparent shirt (Barong) was really an
> invention
> of the spaniards, they required all flips to wear one when entering intramuros
> (the spanish quarters in Manila at the time) so they could see if Mr. flip
> tried
> to bring weapons in or stole something and tried to bring it out!
> They called their colony "islas de los ladrones" - islands of the thief's.
>
learn a little bit of Philippine history, and as
to other's response, the culture. A retired idiot,
I can tell.
> And what is that about other "countries of life" and my sympathy toward them?
> I get along with almost all caribes, latinos, asians, europeans, americans,
> mooseheads
> even eskimos - just changed my verdict for flips from
> generally good to generally assholes.
>
right picture. A racist.
> Some homeless are honest, hardworking folks down on their luck,
> or sufferers of mental disorders
> and it's a shame that my country, with all it's wealth let this happen,
> (btw: I been a volunteer for habitat for humanity)
> but the majority are there on their own doing: Drinking, crack, heroin....
>
> Everybody creates his/her own reality based on what we experience,
> one person may have a wonderful time while another lives a nightmare
> - all at the same place, the same time.
> I once stayed 6 month in Caracas, Venezuela - I had a real good time but came
> across
> a some european and north american tourists - 9 out of 10 of this people were
> robbed,
> some at gunpoint! Needless to say: They all swore to vacation rather on the
> moon next
> year then coming back to this @#$&ing place!
> Now - I knew Caracas is kinda hardass place and I took all precautions,
> but since I'm the lucky one I really have only good and fond memories about the
> place
> (Venezuelan girls are out of this world)
>
American puppet government, who would kowotw to
your whim and desires, am I correct?
> It's "your opinion" not "you're opinion" and what is "time-wrap", "Pwe" and
> "Kano type?
>
everyone to see is a typical ugly American, watch
out world... he will pretend to be honorable.
> The majority of foreigners still living in RP will some day leave like I did,
> the ones that do biz there will leave with lighter pockets then they had upon
> their arrival.
> Don't get me wrong here: 9 out of 10 new biz in the US fail but foreigners
> chances in RP
> are more 999 : 1.
> Yes, when I first came Marcos and his gov. treated me right, I acknowledge that
> he was
> pretty rough on his own people but we foreigners were treated with extra care
> and I liked
> that. (Ferdinando knew who brought him the dollars)
See what I mean, dictators are good to these
people as proven time and time again, how many
more "third world" country has to suffer from
these dolts?
> Aquino did the opposite and treated us worse then the locals which resulted in
> a lot
> of foreign capital flight out of the country. Only big corporations (Bayer,
> Matsushita, Caterpillar)
Another proof? A large number of corporations left
during Marcos' time at the helm, because of the
constant drain on the operating capital, which
went into Marcos and Co.
Of course, none of this would be posted by this
man.
> can be successful in RP and their profits are expatriated, the small foreigner
> with filipina wife,
> investing in a restaurant or beach resort got burned, this people actually were
> very beneficial
> to the economy, specially to the poor people of RP, they employed unskilled
> labor in rural areas.
>
> Have a nice day
I grew up with Americans like these, and I know
these types, this is the true "Kano" image...not
all Americans are like this...Tim, this is the
kind you really should be going after.
He came to the Philippines expecting a country
submissive to foreigners, see his own words above,
fuck the locals who require their rights
protected, they don't have the dollars. I hate
this kind, they usually don't even have the
conscience to realize the racist POV, the
unlearned (don't even care to!), but have the
bucks! Oh, glorious dollar, the mighty protector,
the saviour.
What surprised me is that he cries his heart out
to an NG who couldn't even care less if they know.
I say, fuck your dollars.
fuck your views.
go home and fuck your own sister.
let's see, for me this personal, so go complain
to my ISP! Stay in Miami!
Jennifur
it to you, Freedom of speech, along with the rest of the
US "Bill of Rights", only applies to GOVERNMENT ACTION
(also known as the "State Action" doctrine) against you.
Hence, if BellSouth wished to take away your access--due to
racist, hatemongering, or other race-baiting speech [which
most ISP's and websites forbid in their Terms of Use
agreement--you know, the text you clicked "I accept" to
when signing up] they can and there's nothing you can do
about it because BellSouth is a private company.
So... Let's keep the discussion civil and refrain from
racist and sexist insults.
Frankly, I find your summary conclusions against Filipino
men rather troubling. Since my father is a Filipino man I
feel insulted for him.
Regards,
J
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tansong isda
>
> tansong isda wrote:
>
> > Do you want me to post your own words here?
>
>
> > Actually, I don't even care what and who you are!
>
>
Your RACIST post, which is "your reality" alone,
can not be proven as fact!
> > ...as if anyone cares!
>
> If a few tourists or prospective small investors read my posts here and get
> forewarned about RP I'm happy.
>
Huh? This is what's bugging me, you are a small
investor? But you claim that you don't have a
business! What are you really? Do you know that
CIA chief stationed in the Philippines advised
Aquino on Americans that ought to be "thrown" out?
Could you be one of those? The more you post, the
longer the rope, I say!
> > I don't have any arguments,
>
> Reading your comments on my posts one easily thinks otherwise...
>
I haven't argued with you yet!
>
> that is your good right, you wrote, among other oddities that Mr guadiz is "posting impartially",
> which I think is not true and therefore I don't like some of what you're writing either.
>
Because I told you what I think of your post! you
can always complain to my ISP!
>
> I don't think my views are racist, if you look closely you see that I write
> "most" or "majority" not "all", I write "filipino mentality" not "the filipino",
> I wrote that I have a few filipino friends...
> And no - I will not hold back if I feel I have something to say in this group.
>
Oh, oh...making excuses now are you? Your posts
are recorded...
>
> You harbor a resentment against me because I know too much about the people and their "cultures",
>
I thought I already told you, you have no inkling
of what Filipino culture is about! You are proving
that every time you post! I recent any racist
point of view, unless you are making a joke, the
joke stinks!
> and no - even if the people were still as nice and respectful as they have been earlier - I would
> not
> want to life again in Cebu City, too hot, too crowded.
>
That sounds different! Why cry here then?....
>
> Well I'm happy you're not getting hot about it - so your "fuck you" is meant a friendly
> invitation?
> And boang and proud of it - oh, well...
> Have a nice day
And UKI NI NANA MO...
tansong isda
>
> I am appalled by your trashy article here!
> Mr. isda, the mediator, the benefactor and keeper of soc.culture.filipino!
> And then these words:
>
> >I say, fuck your dollars.
> >fuck your views.
> >go home and fuck your own sister.
>
> if you wish to further comment on my posts while maintaining a bit
> of credibility as someone worth talking to I think an apology is in order here.
Oh really? Countries may come and go, it is but an
imaginary line on the sand, but the people are
always there!
I am not out of line, if taken on the whole, the
post I made is right for you!
tansong isda
>
> tansong isda wrote:
>
> > American puppet government, who would kowotw to
> > your whim and desires, am I correct?
>
> This rhetoric must be a leftover from you NPA time.
> "American puppet government" - laughable! Get a grip man!
Really? You mean the puppet did not exist?
It's my reality....I was on the other side, I saw
Americans given better seats in a restaurant, I
saw a kid beaten up because he was accused by an
American (nothing was found on the kid, he was
accused of stealing)...yes, I have seen the other
side. The other side of your reality!
The NPA still exist.
Art...@cebu.net
> Do you want me to post your own words here?
Yes, Please!
> Actually, I don't even care what and who you are!
Likewise, but why do you try to refute me then?
> ...as if anyone cares!
If a few tourists or prospective small investors read my posts here and get
forewarned about RP I'm happy.
> I don't have any arguments,
Reading your comments on my posts one easily thinks otherwise...
> I told you I don't like what you are writing
that is your good right, you wrote, among other oddities that Mr guadiz is "posting impartially",
which I think is not true and therefore I don't like some of what you're writing either.
> I am wrong in thinking that you might just keep your racist views to yourself.
I don't think my views are racist, if you look closely you see that I write
"most" or "majority" not "all", I write "filipino mentality" not "the filipino",
I wrote that I have a few filipino friends...
And no - I will not hold back if I feel I have something to say in this group.
> you only proved to me that in all the years that you lived in the
> Philippines, you did not made any effort to learn about the people and it's cultures, otherwise,
> you
> would have been enjoying yourself, still in Cebu!!
You harbor a resentment against me because I know too much about the people and their "cultures",
and no - even if the people were still as nice and respectful as they have been earlier - I would
not
want to life again in Cebu City, too hot, too crowded.
> An argument in the net is fleeting and not worth getting hot about...
> BTW, I am boang and proud of it!!! Fuck you to.
Well I'm happy you're not getting hot about it - so your "fuck you" is meant a friendly
Art...@cebu.net
Jennifur wrote:
> ... if BellSouth wished to take away your access [...] there's nothing you can do
> about it because BellSouth is a private company.
They don't want to take away my access.
> So... Let's keep the discussion civil and refrain from
> racist and sexist insults.
I don't see you writing this to the people that - without provocation
attacked me first.
And sexist? I wrote of my low opinion of most filipino men, but where
did I made sexist insults?
> Frankly, I find your summary conclusions against Filipino
> men rather troubling. Since my father is a Filipino man I
> feel insulted for him.
Feel free to write to: ab...@bellsouth.net
and have a nice day
Art...@cebu.net
Art...@cebu.net
Art...@cebu.net
I'm sorry that you have this childhood trauma about
us americans - long time ago - getting better seats in restaurants.
And where you see poor, innocent kids beaten up for nothing
I see thousands of tourists getting their belongings stolen and
the perpetrator never found because his peer would applaud
him rather then doing the right thing.
Btw: I remember leaving my Minolta in a marked after a meal,
comiguin island I believe it was - they send their little boy running
after me to bring it back to me.
Sadly the honest filipinos (most of them in far away provinces) get
the same reputation as their thieving brothers elsewhere.
Take a break pare and cool down, you need it!
Art...@cebu.net
tansong isda wrote:
> ... you are a small investor? But you claim that you don't have a
> business! What are you really?
Are you stupid? I wrote:
"If a few tourists or prospective small investors read my posts here and get forewarned about RP I'm
happy."
I wasn't talking of myself - very obvious - for non flips that is!
> Do you know that
> CIA chief stationed in the Philippines advised
> Aquino on Americans that ought to be "thrown" out?
> Could you be one of those? The more you post, the
> longer the rope, I say!
the one that threatens the rope sometimes hangs first!
No matter how hard you and Mr. guadiz try: My record is impeccable!
> you have no inkling of what Filipino culture is about! You are proving
> that every time you post! I recent any racist
> point of view, unless you are making a joke, the
> joke stinks!
I think I have a very good idea what flip culture is about, it usually starts with San Miguel...
and racist? That's you with your blaming all americans for what (supposedly) the american
government did to your country
> And UKI NI NANA MO...
p___ ina mo for you too buddy
MarcL
Art...@Cebu.net wrote:
> MarcL wrote:
>
> > Wow, reading from your post makes me wonder what on earth made you so bitter.
>
> I'm not bitter, my posts here only reflect my opinions about RP, which is only
> a small part of me and my life.
Not bitter, huh? OK you have your opinion (which I respect) but the way you
generalize ( like when you wrote, "I specially learned quick to despise males - all
they ever care about is how to get drunk.") are all symptoms of one who's so
pissed off and bitter.
>
> > You can't appreciate the uniqueness of Phil culture nor
> > you can sympathise other countries of life but then it make me wonder why
> > what come to you to live in those places for years.
>
> What part of Phil culture you're talking about? Drinking, lying or stealing?
> Here's a piece of culture: That transparent shirt (Barong) was really an
> invention of the spaniards, they required all flips to wear one when entering
> intramuros
> (the spanish quarters in Manila at the time) so they could see if Mr. flip
> tried to bring weapons in or stole something and tried to bring it out!
> They called their colony "islas de los ladrones" - islands of the thief's.
>
Drinking. What's wrong with drinking? You yourself (from what I can gather from
your post)
was once in the entertainment business in RP. Drinking in RP (as in most cultures
that tolerate it) are
also social events.
And about 'lying ', as if you haven't seen the result of some US policy (foreign or
domestic) !
>
> And what is that about other "countries of life" and my sympathy toward them?
> I get along with almost all caribes, latinos, asians, europeans, americans,
> mooseheads even eskimos - just changed my verdict for flips from
> generally good to generally assholes.
>
Nothing new.
>
> > You haven't seen all those homeless people in the US, or just pretending they
> > don't exist
> > because you now live in far away places
>
> Some homeless are honest, hardworking folks down on their luck,
> or sufferers of mental disorders
> and it's a shame that my country, with all it's wealth let this happen,
> (btw: I been a volunteer for habitat for humanity)
> but the majority are there on their own doing: Drinking, crack, heroin....
Should it be "I *have/had* been a volunteer ...."? (Tit for tat?) 8-)
To some extent, I could easily agree with you about your assesment of homeless
people.
But not complete. OK, not all are so lucky but there are important societal and
cultural
aspects (even the not so good) that can work toward helping homelessnes. In OZ,
one have to be a real bum (hopelessly addicted to something) to be a homeless
because
its social welfare its more than enough to give one a decent life (to the point its
welfare system is been abused).
In RP which is a poor country and which does not have a welfare system,
homelessness is not prevalent because poor Filipinos are so ingenous that they can
have roof in a plot of land own by somebody (which give rises to squatting!). 8-)
BTW, you ought to be congratulated for your volunteer work.
>
>
> > ...where you create reality based on your opinion.I guess this is the reason
> > why you are so pissed off with the Phil.
>
> Everybody creates his/her own reality based on what we experience,
> one person may have a wonderful time while another lives a nightmare
> - all at the same place, the same time.
> I once stayed 6 month in Caracas, Venezuela - I had a real good time but came
> across
> a some european and north american tourists - 9 out of 10 of this people were
> robbed,
> some at gunpoint! Needless to say: They all swore to vacation rather on the
> moon next
> year then coming back to this @#$&ing place!
> Now - I knew Caracas is kinda hardass place and I took all precautions,
> but since I'm the lucky one I really have only good and fond memories about the
> place
> (Venezuelan girls are out of this world)
>
That means to say that making generalization based on one's limited experience (bad
or good)
is not a correct measure of things.
>
> > I'm just wondering why there are still foreigners living and doing business
> > in RP despite
> > you're opinion that RP is bad for foreigners. But judging from your arrogance
> > you're still
> > in the trapped in a time-wrap in an era where foreigners (specially the
> > 'Kano' type) in RP
> > thought that they should treated by the gov't and Filipinos as little gods
> > and
> > goddesses who are above everybody and everything. Pwe !
>
> It's "your opinion" not "you're opinion" and what is "time-wrap", "Pwe" and
> "Kano type?
>
I stand corrected. TY.
>
> The majority of foreigners still living in RP will some day leave like I did,
> the ones that do biz there will leave with lighter pockets then they had upon
> their arrival.
May be but lot who have taken permanent residence or citizenship are likely to
stay or even be buried there.
>
> Don't get me wrong here: 9 out of 10 new biz in the US fail but foreigners
> chances in RP
> are more 999 : 1.
> Yes, when I first came Marcos and his gov. treated me right, I acknowledge that
> he was
> pretty rough on his own people but we foreigners were treated with extra care
> and I liked
> that. (Ferdinando knew who brought him the dollars)
> Aquino did the opposite and treated us worse then the locals which resulted in
> a lot
> of foreign capital flight out of the country. Only big corporations (Bayer,
> Matsushita, Caterpillar)
> can be successful in RP and their profits are expatriated, the small foreigner
> with filipina wife,
> investing in a restaurant or beach resort got burned, this people actually were
> very beneficial
> to the economy, specially to the poor people of RP, they employed unskilled
> labor in rural areas.
>
Like your Venezuelan experience - some go lucky, some were not. You should look
it that way. I didn't start blasting the US as shitty after I returned from the US
just because I got a rough treatment at the US custom service in LA the first
time I was there.
As to your comments on Aquino did the opposite to marcos on foreign treatment, I
think you've got it
wrong. The closure of bar joints in Ermita (I guess this is one of your gripes in
RP) wasn't the doing of
Aquino but the result of complaints from the people of Manila and its then
mayor-Alfredo Lim of its
bad influence.
The capital flights that occurred during Aquino's time were not primarily because
of any anti-foreigner policy (if any)
she spoused but rather on the unstable political situation caused by misguided
messiahs (read: warfreak military adventurists) with tacit support from uncle sam
in the pentagon.
>
> Have a nice day
You too.
Jennifur
of Guam as "thieves" lay in the culture clash between
Island culture and the Spaniards. Since the Chomorros did
not believe in private property this does not mean they
were "thieves" as Magellan put it. The same communal
notions of privacy and property rights existed in many
differing island cultures.
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.net wrote:
> MarcL wrote:
>
> What part of Phil culture you're talking about? Drinking, lying or stealing?
> Here's a piece of culture: That transparent shirt (Barong) was really an
> invention
> of the spaniards, they required all flips to wear one when entering intramuros
> (the spanish quarters in Manila at the time) so they could see if Mr. flip
> tried
> to bring weapons in or stole something and tried to bring it out!
> They called their colony "islas de los ladrones" - islands of the thief's.
>
=======
MY COMMENTS:
Relegating the Intramuros (Walled City) as a mere "spanish quarters
in Manila at that time" is syptomatic of your narrow-minded approach
to historical events during the Spanish times. It was more than that ...
How about saying the Walled city was ***the seat*** and ***center***
of Spanish power in the Philippines since this denotes the complete
scope and dimension of Spanish activities during that era.
Art...@cebu.net
> Not bitter, huh? OK you have your opinion (which I respect) but the way you
> generalize ( like when you wrote, "I specially learned quick to despise males - all
> they ever care about is how to get drunk.") are all symptoms of one who's so
> pissed off and bitter.
Thank you for respecting my opinion!
Yes, I generalized talking of filipinos, but I also wrote that the exeption exists.
> Drinking. What's wrong with drinking? You yourself (from what I can gather from
> your post) was once in the entertainment business in RP.
You are joking right? Please reread my posts.
If you gather that from my posts you must be filipino.
> Drinking in RP (as in most cultures that tolerate it) are also social events.
I like a few San Miguels myself *ang sarap*, but I wrote (and I'm not retracting)
that many flips are making a total fool out of themselves after a little alcohol, e.g.
they become either "gluey" and almost sit on your lap, their arms firmly wrapped around
you, telling you how much they love you (specially when you're picking up the bill),
or become quarrelsome and pick a fight with the drunks next table, in the end you
can often see a intoxicated flip urinating and puking in public.
> And about 'lying ', as if you haven't seen the result of some US policy (foreign or
> domestic) !
US policy is responsible for flips not telling the truth? Please elaborate.
> As to your comments on Aquino did the opposite to marcos on foreign treatment, I
> think you've got it wrong. The closure of bar joints in Ermita (I guess this is one
> of your gripes in
> RP) wasn't the doing of Aquino but the result of complaints from the people of Manila
> and its then
> mayor-Alfredo Lim of its bad influence.
Here you err in several aspects:
It was in fact Aquino who ordered the closure of bars where foreigner pick up girls,
it was both a "clean up" campaign aimed at changing RP's image abroad as well as
a bow to the cath. church who helped her into the presidency.
The cath. woman organization who staged several rallies along Mabini ST. are a few
extremists,
the general public couldn't give a lesser shit about what was going on there, most
filipino wife's
have enough to do looking out for their hubby getting drunk and pork a prostitute
without rubber
endangering her health.
Secondly: I expose the closure of Ermita bars as the scam it was but this is not as you
say one of my gripes,
I lived in Cebu City, just visited Mabini a few times when I happened to be in Manila.
thirdly: General Lim got elected mayor long after his raids on Ermita. At the time of
this he was police chief,
the real reason for his action on Mabini ST.: He had a shady deal with wealthy real
estate players, he wanted
to force the owner of the Mabini properties to sell way under marked value, he just
used Aquinos demand
for a cleanup to fill his pockets.
After his action there he got incharge of the lottery - and won't you believe it - won
the big price.
Strangely, I remember him promising to clean up gambling as much as the bars but didn't
see any changes in the industry...
After his big "win" he must've forgotten about his promise!
Btw: what is good ole Lim doing this days? Joined his family in the US?
> The capital flights that occurred during Aquino's time were not primarily because
> of any anti-foreigner policy (if any)
> she spoused but rather on the unstable political situation caused by misguided
> messiahs (read: warfreak military adventurists) with tacit support from uncle sam
> in the pentagon.
My thesis is hard to prove, big companies come to Manila or Cebu, employ 400 or 800
people,
invest and make millions.
Mr. small investor (this is an example, I'm not talking of me) comes to RP with let's
say 40 grand US,
opens a beach resort and employ's 5 or 6 people. His failure or success will not be
mirrored in the
statistics, but will go unnoticed by the economy.
Not so by this 5 or 6 people who have a job to feed their families. And 10,000 of such
small investors
will employ 50.000 to 60,000 people - Aquino was to blind to see that, she also never
really cared for the poor people,
as you might know she and her late husband are members of the oligarchy themselves,
they own (among other businesses)
a large farm north of Manila, their workers on said farm never voted for Aquino and I
guess they had their reasons.
It took poor filipinos over three years to smell the coffee, but afterwards they felt
betrayed and they had all the reason to do so.
I don't know how old you are and where you lived under the Aquino regime, but believe
this: Nothing is the way she made
the public believe!
Art...@cebu.net
> ... the Chomorros did not believe in private property this does not mean they
> were "thieves" as Magellan put it. The same communal
> notions of privacy and property rights existed in many
> differing island cultures.
Sure - they all go by the directive: "what belongs to you is also mine, what is mine
is only mine"
just like filipinos!
Dear Jennifur: I lived in RP for over 5 years, I've seen foreigners who were blue eyed
enough
getting cleaned out, I've seen filipinos taking advantage of the generosity of
foreigners!
Very seldom have I seen your people extending help to foreigners and each and every
incident
is very commendable!
But let's face it: Money in the Philippines is on a one-way street - from Joe to pinoy
- not the other way
around!
benll
colonialism and the evil it brought to any nation colonized
(i.e. U.S.A. and the Philippines)...and one more thing, the
real spirit of America is capitalism, and capitalism's end
goal is to make money, sometimes at all cost - they go in,
strip the colonized country of its natural resources, then
take the profit out of the country. look at the countries of
asia, central america, south america, and africa that the
U.S. "generously" gave to. if you know your world history,
it's not "joe to pinoy" or "one way." most of the time, it
was the other way around.
think of the native americans that had the same communal
property lifestyle as the chomorros of the micronesian
islands - i'm sure even you will admit that your "directive"
does not apply to them.
benll
doviebeams
<bl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>MarcL wrote:
>
>> Wow, reading from your post makes me wonder what on earth
>> made you so bitter. You can't appreciate the uniqueness of Phil culture nor
>> you can sympathise other countries of life but then it make me wonder why
>> what come to you to live in those places for years.
>>
>
>=========
>MY COMMENTS:
>
>I have prepared a speculative reason, and several other articles,
>why THE FOREIGNER left Perlas ng Silangan with a taint of bitterness
>and resentment. I have, by gentlemen's agreement, temporarily withheld
>posting said articles in this forum.
>
>However, if Mr. "Retirable" Arturo continues to pursue this line
>of reasoning, I shall be constrained to do so. It is my impression
>he can read and understand the the subtle implication.
So far nothing from you but character assassination. Same could be said
of art...@cebu.net. with his demeaning of the Filipino male.
Ironically, that view is also shared by a surprising large number of
Pinay. "THE FOREIGNER" is a racist slur incidentally, you'd scream if
they called you that here.
So if you got the goods, let's hear it? So far you've been all talk.
Remember, I recorded my trysts with Ferdy. There was hard evidence.
What is this is ---"prepare a speculative reason", do you have anything
more or are you telling us---just more of the same is coming?
--
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Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
Jolly
BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ
>
>Jennifur wrote:
>
>
>Dear Jennifur: I lived in RP for over 5 years, I've seen foreigners
who were blue eyed
>enough
>getting cleaned out, I've seen filipinos taking advantage of the
generosity of
>foreigners!
==========
MY COMMENTS:
First, DA POREYNER claimed staying in Inang Bayan in
the "early 80s" until he left in 1990; hence my inference
an inclusive, continuous and uninterrupted prolonged stay
produced a period in excess of five years.
Second, he posted having lived in RP ***for 5 years***
which still does not satisfy the above-mentioned inference.
Third, when I pointed out the above-discrepancy in a prior
posting, he once more "bends" his version by claiming he
lived in RP for different periods of time for a ***total
of five years***. Not satisfied with that belated admission,
he further states I am an idiot - for pointing out his
discrepancies which could have been altogether avoided had
his posted articles been articulate, precise and give
no room for conjectures.
Fourth, in the above-posted admission, he still "bends"
it further thus "ů I lived in RP for ***over*** 5 years ů"
(emphasis mine).
NOW ů, even given a reasonable allowance for semantic
nuances, the fact that there are disturbing different
versions to suit several occasions cannot obliterate
one's inquisitive mind that his accounting of the EXACT
period of stay in RP is, for all intents and purposes,
entirely unreliable.
"TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS" is entirely different from
"OVER FIVE YEARS."
Subject to further details, "LIVED IN RP FOR FIVE YEARS"
is also entirely different from (I lived in RP) "FOR A TOTAL
OF FIVE YEARS" ...
manong ben
bl...@ix.netcom.com
bl...@earthlink.net
Covina, CA 91722
USA
tansong isda
>
> Jennifur wrote:
>
> > ... the Chomorros did not believe in private property this does not mean they
> > were "thieves" as Magellan put it. The same communal
> > notions of privacy and property rights existed in many
> > differing island cultures.
>
> is only mine"
> just like filipinos!
> enough
> getting cleaned out, I've seen filipinos taking advantage of the generosity of
> foreigners!
> incident
> is very commendable!
> But let's face it: Money in the Philippines is on a one-way street - from Joe to pinoy
> - not the other way
> around!
And you are still saying that you aren't racist!!
More rope!!!
tansong isda
>
> i'm not sure why you guys would stoop on his level.
Noticed that this guy is not going to go away, he
intends to bug all of us with his perverted view
of a non-American nation!
tansong isda
Asshole, after making a blanket statement left and
right, you still don't see that as a
problem....what a dolt!
For one thing, let me get this straight to your
head, once and for all!
I am an American citizen, born and raised(I didn't
choose to be!), but I was born in the Philippines,
I grew up with a lot of Americans, assholes most
of them. And yet they insist on staying in a
country that they claim to hate, you are one of
them. And I am grouping you with those guys
because you have proven yourself to be one.
I refused to be a "Kano", lacking the proper word
to describe people like you, it's your kind why
the culture of Filipinos are getting destroyed, I
will not take a break from plugging in my point
accross...
tansong isda
>
>
> Are you stupid? I wrote:
> "If a few tourists or prospective small investors read my posts here and get forewarned about RP I'm
> happy."
> I wasn't talking of myself - very obvious - for non flips that is!
>
like you. Notice, no "Kano" thing in there?
> the one that threatens the rope sometimes hangs first!
>
> No matter how hard you and Mr. guadiz try: My record is impeccable!
>
Impeccably clean.
> I think I have a very good idea what flip culture is about, it usually starts with San Miguel...
> and racist? That's you with your blaming all americans for what (supposedly) the american
> government did to your country
>
> > And UKI NI NANA MO...
>
> p___ ina mo for you too buddy
Read your history, oh yeah, typical American
couldn't read without pictures! Funny how you can
type, I am starting to realize that you might not
have done that either.
Bwahahahahaha!!!
Benjamin Guadiz
Art...@Cebu.net wrote:
> tansong isda wrote:
>
>
> that is your good right, you wrote, among other oddities that Mr guadiz is "posting impartially",
> which I think is not true and therefore I don't like some of what you're writing either.
>
=======
MY COMMENTS: The First Salvo ...
THE ISSUE:
Mr. Arturo, aka DA POREYNER, the central and most basic issue
reflecting your enmity against me was your spurious claim you were
subjected to slander. FOR THE RECORD …, herein provided are
TWO (2) statements which shall test your reasoning ability and
analytical skills …,
THE STATEMENTS:
Statement One (1): “… Based on the above-mentioned “facts",
my preliminary conclusion is: <art...@cebu.com> C-O-U-L-D
H-A-V-E been a pedophile; a child molester; a pimp; a sex addict,
or any combination thereof …” (emphasis mine)
Statement Two (2): “… Based on the above-mentioned “facts”,
my final conclusion is: <art...@cebu.com> I-S a pedophile; a child
molester; a pimp; a sex addict, and any combination thereof …”
(emphasis mine)
EXPLANATION:
The first statement is an exact reproduction of a portion of my
original SCF posting for which you, THE ALIEN – VISITOR,
apparently took offense. The second statement is provided
as per illustration purposes only and without any malice
intended.
THE QUESTION:
Mr. Condescending Foreigner, for the benefit of all SCFers worldwide,
would you so PLEASE and KINDLY tell this forum (in your own opinion)
what is the basic and very fundamental difference between Statement
No. 1 from Statement 2 with respect to the criteria which is
***speculative*** and which is ***conclusive***???
ADVICE:
In order for you to prove even by the lower standard of preponderance
of evidence that you have been slandered, you must know what slander
means; what is the cause of action; and whether or not you have credible
facts to establish your charges. Speculations or conjectural statements
ARE NOT and NEVER statements of fact; neither final conclusions,
nor factual evidence. In a court of justice, the law is applied according
to facts established at trial. And only in a court of law can you fully and
legally seek remedial action. Without your going to a court of law
seeking a redress of your grievances, you cannot CRY FOUL having
been illegally subjected to slander and expect people to believe you.
However, if you still assert SCF is NOT a Philippine courtroom
but a mere newsgroup …, then so much the better because you
permanently precluded yourself from any redress – which means
then that there was absolutely NO, repeat N-O, slander.
In short, NO FACTS, then NO CASE ...,
and where there is NO CASE ..., therefore, NO OFFENSE !!!
FAILURE OR OUTRIGHT REJECTION TO DIGNIFY
THE ABOVE-MENTIONED STATEMENTS CONSTITUTE A
TACIT ADMISSION YOU ARE UNABLE TO PROVE THE
CHARGES OF SLANDER !!!
Carl
<Art...@Cebu.net> wrote in message news:378C3580...@Cebu.net...
> Are you stupid? I wrote:
> "If a few tourists or prospective small investors read my posts here and
get forewarned about RP I'm
> happy."
> I wasn't talking of myself - very obvious - for non flips that is!
Are you implying that I understand less on what you meant because im a
Filipino?
That it is not very obvious for us on what you said because we are brown and
you're white?
If you did that by accident say so, if not I think that statement is RACIST.
Art...@cebucebu.net
> Are you implying that I understand less on what you meant because im a
> Filipino?
> That it is not very obvious for us on what you said because we are brown and
> you're white?
>
> If you did that by accident say so, if not I think that statement is RACIST.
Blacks here in the US make up under 20% of the total population yet 70% of all
prison inmates are black,
is it racist to say that blacks are more likely to be criminals? Surly not!
Is this unfair to the blacks that work hard and never break the law? You bet!
Maybe your parents send you to a good school were your brain got stimulated
instead of numbed,
maybe you studied abroad and are as capable to understand as the best of us,
but yes: The majority of filipinos are incapable to comprehend simple processes.
One example: Once I went into a PAL office and told the salesgirl this simple
order: Art and Jim are flying from
Cebu to Cagayan, Jim is flying back five days later, Art will only need a
one-way ticket.
Simple or? She brought back two return tickets! Similar things happen every day
all over the world,
but I had this kind of problem when dealing with filipinos constantly!
Don't worry - the young generation of people here in the US are not any better,
most high school seniors here
couldn't find the Philippines on a map!
MarcL
Art...@Cebu.net wrote:
>
> Here you err in several aspects:
> It was in fact Aquino who ordered the closure of bars where foreigner pick up girls,
> it was both a "clean up" campaign aimed at changing RP's image abroad as well as
> a bow to the cath. church who helped her into the presidency.
> The cath. woman organization who staged several rallies along Mabini ST. are a few
> extremists, the general public couldn't give a lesser shit about what was going on there,
> most
> filipino wife's have enough to do looking out for their hubby getting drunk and pork a
> prostitute
> without rubber endangering her health.
Aquino might have an influence against sleaze-joints in Ermita BUT it was Lim's election
promise which he honored that led to the closure of sleaze bars in Ermita. Aquino could not
have closed
it. Ex-mayor Lito Atienza (Lim predecessor's) proved that point when he re-opened and
re-issueed business
permits to those bars each time ex- Manila Police Chief Lim closed those bars.
>
> Secondly: I expose the closure of Ermita bars as the scam it was but this is not as you
> say one of my gripes,
> I lived in Cebu City, just visited Mabini a few times when I happened to be in Manila.
> thirdly: General Lim got elected mayor long after his raids on Ermita. At the time of
> this he was police chief,
> the real reason for his action on Mabini ST.: He had a shady deal with wealthy real
> estate players, he wanted to force the owner of the Mabini properties to sell way under
> marked value, he just
> used Aquinos demand for a cleanup to fill his pockets.
A simple leak of this issue to the media would have brought more credibility to your story.
I'm sure there are a lot
in the media who will take a shoot at Lim given the opportunity.
> After his action there he got incharge of the lottery - and won't you believe it - won
> the big price. Strangely, I remember him promising to clean up gambling as much as the
> bars but didn't
> see any changes in the industry...
> After his big "win" he must've forgotten about his promise!
> Btw: what is good ole Lim doing this days? Joined his family in the US?
>
Worng. He wasn't 'incharge of the lottery" when he won the biog price. He was the NBI chief
invistigating a sweepstake (lottery) scam when he won 1st prize. According to him, he won
it fair. He was visiting the sweepstake office on an invistigation visit when a sweeptake
woman vendor persuaded him to buy a ticket.
>
> My thesis is hard to prove, big companies come to Manila or Cebu, employ 400 or 800
> people,
> invest and make millions.
> Mr. small investor (this is an example, I'm not talking of me) comes to RP with let's
> say 40 grand US,
> opens a beach resort and employ's 5 or 6 people. His failure or success will not be
> mirrored in the
> statistics, but will go unnoticed by the economy.
> Not so by this 5 or 6 people who have a job to feed their families. And 10,000 of such
> small investors
> will employ 50.000 to 60,000 people - Aquino was to blind to see that, she also never
> really cared for the poor people,
Your thesis has little to prove in the way of business failure due to Aquino's policy.
There ARE myrads
of other reasons why foreign own business could fail in RP. Not to mention there hundreds
of small foreign
own businesses that are striving in RP specially in Cebu.
>
> as you might know she and her late husband are members of the oligarchy themselves,
> they own (among other businesses)
> a large farm north of Manila, their workers on said farm never voted for Aquino and I
> guess they had their reasons.
> It took poor filipinos over three years to smell the coffee, but afterwards they felt
> betrayed and they had all the reason to do so.
>
> I don't know how old you are and where you lived under the Aquino regime, but believe
> this: Nothing is the way she made the public believe!
Well, I'm not a fan of Aquino. Like you, I took her the burden of her failed promise of
agrarian reform.
Hudson N Jackson II
Art...@Cebu.net wrote in message <378C2968...@Cebu.net>...
>> So... Let's keep the discussion civil and refrain from
>> racist and sexist insults.
>
>I don't see you writing this to the people that - without provocation
>attacked me first.
>And sexist? I wrote of my low opinion of most filipino men, but where
>did I made sexist insults?
Item 1: Racist insults. Let's talk about your use of the four-letter word
you use to refer to Pinoys for starters. That's the equivalent of calling
folks from Europe the name of a food that goes well with peanut butter. The
equivalent of calling black folks a name beginning with "n" that was used
back in the days of slavery. Then your original post was provocative enough
that folks like Manong Ben and Tansong had to have their say. For example,
courtesy of SCF Instant Replay:
>At least in the first couple of years this little brown [snip] had
>respect in front of a
>white man, which made being in their presence somewhat bearable.
>In 5 years I found no more then a dozen or so exemptions [snip]
This really smacks of snobbery. A perfect bait for jealousy and class
warfare. Here's another one for you to meditate on.
>You hate foreigners because we use to go over there and sleep with
>your woman, they liked us more then you because we white people
>have manners, more money and we can hold the liqueur,
>not making a total fool out of ourselves like you guys do after 2 or 3
>beers.
And here's the final one, the CLASSIC:
>[. . . .] Nobody wins an argument with a filipino - EVER!
>Many filipinos have the mind of a 12 year old and a frustration threshold
of a
>spoiled, cranky toddler [. . . .]
Item 2: Sexist comments. While many appreciate compliments, when some
encounter this statement in a mostly negative post
>In stark contrast the females: Silky skin, big dark eyes, wonderful
>hair, sweet and intelligent.
it doesn't really help your case a lot. It could be interpreted as
patronizing or stereotyping.
The other thing is you keep praising Marcos and bashing Aquino. Remember -
who had martial law running for almost 20 years? At least Aquino was
looking out for herself and Inang Bayan.
Maybe I overreacted when I heard you accidentally goofed on the date Aquino
took the reins of power. But my intuition was still correct concerning your
lack of understanding for the history and culture of the Philippines. It is
this lack of understanding that causes personality clashes like this. I
tried to tell you about how people do things here at SCF and there in RP, I
tried to warn you against the attitude you carried, I even offered you a
mediator and referee. But you ignored me, refused all help, and went on
assuming stuff and posting unnecessary diatribes. Bakit? I can't believe
you'd do it to get high. . . I think you're doing it trying to win an
argument, but you yourself said you couldn't. Just let go. . .
Arturo, you were a *guest* - not a king* in the Philippines. Please
remember that.
To all: I thought I said we should keep things clean up here. I thought
someone promised that we would act like gentlemen. What happened?
I think it's high time to let the wounds heal now before worse happens. We
are all guests of SCF, including me. . . and I'm using the water to make the
flames vanish, as promised earlier.
>Feel free to write to: ab...@bellsouth.net
Request denied. We'd rather pray for you so that you will snap out of it
and rise above the nonsense goign on.
- Hudson
Jolly
yah, and he's winning the battle. If you ignore all his remarks he will
eventually get tired and leave.
tansong isda
>
>
> Blacks here in the US make up under 20% of the total population yet 70% of all
> prison inmates are black,
> is it racist to say that blacks are more likely to be criminals? Surly not!
> Is this unfair to the blacks that work hard and never break the law? You bet!
>
> Maybe your parents send you to a good school were your brain got stimulated
> instead of numbed,
> maybe you studied abroad and are as capable to understand as the best of us,
> but yes: The majority of filipinos are incapable to comprehend simple processes.
>
aren't racist....
> One example: Once I went into a PAL office and told the salesgirl this simple
> order: Art and Jim are flying from
> Cebu to Cagayan, Jim is flying back five days later, Art will only need a
> one-way ticket.
> Simple or? She brought back two return tickets! Similar things happen every day
> all over the world,
> but I had this kind of problem when dealing with filipinos constantly!
I have this problem constantly, here in the US!
Should I make the same conclusion that Americans
could not comprehend simple things?
>
> Don't worry - the young generation of people here in the US are not any better,
> most high school seniors here
> couldn't find the Philippines on a map!
For all to see,
a person looking at the world with colored glasses
will see the world with a tint, this man is doing
just that...This is obvious, a common mistake of
the so called intellectuals of the old, I always
wonder how this country was able to leap the
hurdles of racism, social snobbery and the like
when people like these exist, or is it the
immigrants that has been making the leap for years
for Americans...
Benjamin L. Guadiz
>
> Hudson N Jackson II wrote:
>
>
> I called him a male prostitute - ok - that was uncalled for!
> He invented the brothel owner/operator story, I stated that I never did such
> a thing (in the Philippines or elsewhere) nevertheless he kept insisting that I
> did,
> without reason, without a shred of evidence.
> Originally I gave advise on the age of consent and how the AOC issue is
> dealt with in the Philippines (yes, again: There is a double standard,
> interpretation
> is totally different, depending on if the defendant is foreigner or local, rich
> or poor).
> It is sad that some people are so immature that a statement like mine can whip
> them into
> a rage that compels them to post slander about a man they don't know at all,
> have no facts about.
> I came across filipinos like Guadiz while living in the Philippines:
=========
MY COMMENTS vs. art...@cebu.com:
ISN'T IT A FACT ů???
A cursory examination of your recent SCF posts indicated
you have been to, and stayed in, The Philippines for a
***total of*** 5 years. You admitted "ů I fell in love
with one and we been (sic) together for 5 years ů" inference
being cohabitation as "husband-and-wife" without the benefit
and consummation of a lawful union (marriage); you resented
the fact you cannot stay there much longer, as a result
of your visa extension denial; that you will NOT set foot
again despite your means and, provided you are determined
really to go back, the ability to do so. In fact, you
stated approval should any foreigner avoid Inang Bayan.
I can only surmise over your vehement vow not and never
to return. It brings much speculation but the following
questions, in the matter of things, ***COULD HAVE*** some
probative value to your plight.
QUESTIONS:
NOW ů, ISN'T IT A FACT THAT:
1.) As a result of your cohabitation with the Pinay
you were, at one time or another, asked by her; her family
& relatives, and friends as to when you will consummate
the marriage? And isn't it a fact you promised her a
"contract TO marriage" (which should not be confused with
"contract OF marriage")? The same goes true with any or
all of the other women you beguiled???
2.) You sired a kid or any number of kids by her - or by
some unidentified woman? That you refused to acknowledge
paternity; the kid or kids denied filiation? You were
threatened with bodily harm; civilly charged with paternity
AND / OR child(ren) and spousal support in a Family Court?
Similarly, ou were charged with assault and battery???
3.) You have the HIV problem (Hair-Is-Vanishing) and
the more deadly AIDS (Acute-Income-Deficiency-Situation).
The former being a result of your "retirable age" while
the latter is in part due to occasional problems in US
Dollar remittances and/or decreasing purchasing power
of the currency.
4.) Due your occasional problems of easy access to
disposable money you would, at times, secure goods
and services on credit?
5.) You issued checks as payment of promissory notes
and other instruments of indebtedness; and that there
were checks dishonored by the local bank due to NSF,
otherwise known as "TUMATALBOG yung cheque mo, t*nga
(TAN-g-a)!!!
6.) Some creditors threatened to file a criminal suit
against you (if not done already) with charges of
estafa (Article 315, Revised Penal Code); bouncing
checks (Section 1, Batas Pambansa Blg. 22), et al.;
and that your profile bona fides are already in NBI
files for "WANTED" with a monetary reward attached;
and the corresponding ARREST WARRANT duly issued by
a court judge; your name and passport number are
already in the HOLD DEPARTURE ORDER list found in
all Philippine ports of entry?
7.) Your refusal to go back means virtual certainty
of your immediate arrest; and that you have pecuniary
interests and ulterior motives NOT to spend any amount
of time in a Philippine jail (during custodial
investigation and non-issuance of bail after bail
hearings before a judge and court having the necessary
jurisdiction and also during trial) or in any Philippine
prison upon conviction of crimes charged as contrary to
law?
7.) You skipped bail which is tantamount to a de facto
admission of guilt; hence, your bail bond has been
seized and you have become an undersirable alien?
8.) Your "tea money" (which reflected your ***stingy***
approach) insulted the Immigrations Officer's expectations;
hence your denial of tourist visa extension and the
appropriately stamped "UNDERSIRABLE ALIEN: SUBJECT TO
DEPORTATION" notation?
9.) the reason you called Aquino a bitch and Santiago a
neurotic is because these Philippine public servants had
a job to discharge which precluded your Philippine stay;
they do not think and act like you; and that you could
do absolutely nothing to effect a re-consideration of
your case?
So now art...@cebu.com ů, isn't it a fact you are nothing
but a tinpot, timid, chicken-hearted pervert who timely
absconded Inang Bayan so as to avoid costly litigation
brought about by a civil suit and/or unspecified criminal
charges against you for ***activities incompatible with
your visitor's visa*** status???
Far-fetched questions??? Possibly !!!
But not outside, and still within, the realm of
possibility !!!
How say you ...???
nabi
know...let me consult with pinoy moral police....<no name mentioned here, #$@@>
nabi
Art...@cebu.com
> ...you're doing it trying to win an argument, but you yourself said you
> couldn't. Just let go. . .
I stated that I will not answer any posts from guadiz anymore, coward as he is -
he takes advantage of that and keeps beating a man that does not hit back,
he's continuously calling me a criminal, pedophile and such - all without any
substance.
Since he's just an idiot and I use a assumed name here I don't care that much,
but you seem to be a decent enough guy not to blow into the same horn.
Yes I had put my fingers into some filipino wounds, aired my low opinion
on drunk pinoys and the Aquino government, but you must admit that my
accusations are true, you might argue that I exaggerate, but not that I make
things up.
> To all: I thought I said we should keep things clean up here. I thought
> someone promised that we would act like gentlemen. What happened?
I'll tell you:
Mr. guadiz made totally unfounded, very malicious accusations
and Mr. isda, after running out of intellectual ammo called me all kind of dirty
names
(I didn't see you complaining about that), if want to mediate: Kindly ask Mr.
guadiz
to stop his ridiculous posts, today under subject "Isn't It a Fact",
with time stamp Thu, 15 Jul. 1999 11:57:55 he writes the most insane
nonsense concerning my persona I ever read, I don't know if the guy is serious
or just flame-baiting, now he blabbers about marriage contract and fathering
children...
> I think it's high time to let the wounds heal now before worse happens. We
> are all guests of SCF, including me. . . and I'm using the water to make the
> flames vanish, as promised earlier.
> ...We'd rather pray for you so that you will snap out of it
> and rise above the nonsense goign on.
I am still willing to discuss and will retract whenever proven wrong.
For example that general Lim thing: I still believe he acted (closure of bars on
Mabini ST.) as
police chief of Manila, not as suggested as Mayor, I remember he got elected
Mayor of Manila
later.
Art...@cebu.com
here in the US ticketsellers are the bottom of the heap minimum wage earners.
tansong isda
>
> Remember: PAL hires the top ten of the class,
> here in the US ticketsellers are the bottom of the heap minimum wage earners.
>
I know a VP of a Multinational, who couldn't even
spell, can't use a computer and don't know
anything about the product his company makes. This
is typical in this country.
And you are telling me this?
You are pathetic!
Top ten from what!Secretarial school?From business
majors?
All you have to do is say: "I want one round-trip
ticket for _____ and one one-way ticket for
______" and your problem is solved. If you talk
like you write, I don't know...
sio...@my-deja.com
Gary, along comes a contender to step up to the plate.
In article <37858729...@Cebu.com>,
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> knowing it's the truth.
> btw: I attribute your tolerance more to the fact that this is a
> newsgroup
> and I write everything I god-damn like - less to the "collective
> progressive minds"
>
> You got me there - knowing how some people live in my own
> country, the wealthiest nation on earth is the true irony as well as
> proof that poverty is less lack of money then lack of brains because
> EVERY american can make at least enough do live
> a halfway decent life here.
> Sadly drugs, alcohol, gambling and the like are the shovel
> most people dig their own grave with.
Don't forget all those notable white serial killers, rapists,
and various criminals who make up your great country. They
must be sorely lacking in brains--you probably know the
feeling.
> I loved the Philippines once, they changed, I got bitterly
disappointed,
>
> I felt unjustly and summarily accused of ridiculous things from
> a enormously inept and arrogant government
> using "the foreigner" as a convenient scapegoat and I still believe
> that the poor filipinos suffered from the foreigner exodus that ensued
> from 1988 on.
Who cares what you think? Be thankful you got out in time.
Could've been worse for screwed-up joes like you. Though
lifeless bodies float to the surface of the Pasig river
quickly.
> Then I came here and advised some guy on the age of consent in RP
> and got pissed at from this anal retentive "benjamin guadiz" who
writes
> legalese as if he were a lawyer but is only a economic refugee that
> works as part-time waiter and part-time male prostitute in California.
> I don't have to take it from a little brown bastard to call me a pimp,
> implying that I operated a bar or brothel.
While he does talk up a lot of shit at times, you're out of
line to accuse him of being a gigolo (besides, he sounds too
old for that). By your own admission you reveal nothing
about yourself save that you're a sick, perverse maniac who
preys on young Pinays. You must've had a troubled and twisted
childhood. How regrettable.
See a shrink, loser white boy. Why don't you make a beeline
for A.C.F.R. I'm sure you'll make some friends there.
> Filipinos do that in the Philippines, all this talk about the
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
bgl...@my-deja.com
you're an idiot.
In article <378509E3...@Cebu.com>,
Art...@Cebu.com wrote:
> I came to the Philippines in the early 80's,
> although I found Manila a dirthole and wondered why
> most people throughout the archipelago don't keep their place
> nice and tidy (with exemptions like Siquihor island and Dumagueti City
> among some others)
> but litter everywhere and don't seem to bother living in what
resembles
> garbage dumps.
> I specially learned quick to despise males - all they ever care about
is
> how to get drunk.
> Jeepney driver urinate on the wheels of their own vehicles, I've seen
> guy's defecating in the
> middle of the city. This people have no manners and no pride, most
will
> sell a piece of
> ass for 100 pesos and they love to cheat, steal and beg.
> At least in the first couple of years this little brown fuckers had
> respect in front of a
> white man, which made being in their presence somewhat bearable.
> In 5 years I found no more then a dozen or so exemptions, halve of
them
> chinese, the other half
> guys that worked or studied abroad and had acquired some manners and
> culture.
> Up to today I value them as true friends and they will readily admit
> that most of their countrymen
> are disgusting.
>
> In stark contrast the females: Silky skin, big dark eyes, wonderful
> hair, sweet and intelligent.
> I fell in love with one and we been together for 5 years. She had to
> suffer
> from the jealousy of her countrymen who called her prostitute and such
> just because
> she was going with a foreigner. Once I took her abroad (to Thailand)
and
> it has been
> one of the happier times we had together.
>
> I always wondered that a country could have halve the population made
up
> of such idiots
> and the other halve with such grace and dignity.
>
> Aquino was swept to power in 1996 and for the first 2 years or so
there
> was little change.
> Then the people started to ask what happened to all the promises of a
> better life after
> Ferdinand Marcos - of course Mrs. Aquino couldn't deliver, the economy
> was still in a
> shambles - so she looked for a scapegoat.
> From that time on the foreigner as pictured in the local press came to
> the Philippines to:
> - rape the woman
> - molest little boys and girls
> - steal our natural recourses
> - take our business opportunities
> and much more of such nonsense!
> The last one is particular stupid, because a job taker for unskilled
> labor
> like waiter or chambermaid always fares much better when employed by a
> foreigner
> then a local filipino or filipino-chinese employer.
>
> A big additional pain in the butt was peoples flight from the rural
> areas into the cities.
> I lived in Cebu City and saw this place changing from your quiet,
> provincial 3. world town
> into a traffic choked, polluted, crime ridden metropolis - and that at
> dizzying speed.
> It felt as the population doubled every two years during my stay.
> Then the inept and treacherous Aquino regime changed the immigration
> rules and hustled foreigners
> for more money and made it inconvenient to extent a tourist visa.
> I have never done a illegal thing in my life, the place used to be
cheap
> so for the entire time I lived there
> I had no necessity to work, just lived of my savings and income from
> abroad.
> I always felt the foreigners where beneficial spending their dollars
> there so I felt deeply
> insulted with all this ridiculous accusations.
> The last straw was when prices skyrocketed. I packed my bags and left.
> Today there are places in the world where one pays less for everyday
> items, and feels protected
> and appreciated by the authorities as a hard currency spender. People
> like me who want to
> have a good time, and stay for extended periods to escape the winter
at
> home have a wide choice:
> Cuba, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Equador, Honduras, Thailand, Aruba,
> Bonaire, Curacao, New Zealand,
> to name a few.
> Filipinos always liked to bite the hand that feed them, just look at
how
> they got the american bases out of
> subic bay (I heard both countries have a new treaty and want to
reverse
> this).
> I don't need a flip to call me names just because I lived in his
> country for some time.
> I don't need the country - there are lots of other places where I get
a
> better deal!
> The land of 7,000 islands must've been a paradise up to the middle of
> this century,
> but population explosion, deforestation, dynamite fishing, a
mismanaging
> and corrupt government
> and cities that grow without any planing like cancer
> have changed this country profoundly - once beautiful today it's as
ugly
> as can be, a health hazard, dirty,
> expensive, with unfriendly people and dangerous.
> Don't drink the water, don't go out at night, don't wear a ring or
watch
> ...........
>
> You may keep it Mr Guadiz - oh wait - you fled to California
> yourself......
>
>
--
"That's all just pillow talk baby..."
--Bruce Campbell in "Army of Darkness"
BENJAMIN L. GUADIZ
>
>Hudson N Jackson II wrote:
>
>> ...you're doing it trying to win an argument, but you yourself said
you
>> couldn't. Just let go. . .
>
>I stated that I will not answer any posts from guadiz anymore, coward
as he is -
>
>he takes advantage of that and keeps beating a man that does not hit
back,
>he's continuously calling me a criminal, pedophile and such - all
without any
>substance.
>Since he's just an idiot and I use a assumed name here I don't care
that much,
>
Then came that neurotic bitch Miriam D. Santiago into office,
with it the change came, I left for a few weeks, came back and was told
I
could stay only 12 month
consecutively, the application processes for extensions were Kaffkaesk
(I'm
sure a few fellow guys
who read this newsgroup still remember this going from window to
window,
paying this and that,
collecting stamps and receipts - it truly looked like a nuthouse)
so before that 12 month period after my re-arrival I left for good -
your
10 page long gibberish about undesirable alien is absolute nonsense!
Maybe you're telling YOUR story in California here?
========
MY COMMENTS:
Proclaiming Miriam D. Santiago as one "neurotic bitch"
is a QUACK DOCTOR'S mal-diagnosis. Arturo is NOT,
repeat N-O-T, a licensed Medical Practitioner, with
Psychiatric specialty, in The Philippines !!!
REASONING:
Arturo entered Inang Bayan on a Tourist or Visitor's
Visa. Since NO tourist or visitor's visa holder can
lawfully practice their profession(s) or seek employment
of any kind in The Philippines during their allowed stay
or visit; and inasmuch as the Professional Regulations
Commission is prohibited by law to issue medical licenses
to tourists and visitor's visa holders pursuant to the
above-mentioned injunction, amongst others, then it follows
that Arturo CANNOT BE and IS NOT a licensed medical
practitioner !!!
Furthermore, any medical advice or diagnosis rendered by
an unlicensed Medical practitioner is QUACK !!! Practicing
a profession in the homelands without the benefit and
authority of a valid license is a MISDEMEANOR, which is
***contrary to law*** and punishable by applicable law !!!
Since Arturo came into a medical diagnosis (presumably
based on non-existent exhaustive medical examination of
BRENDA [brain damaged Miriam] ) which only medical specialists
can professionally determine and considering further that
he rendered that "neurotic bitch" diagnosis ***without a
valid Philippine medical doctor's license*** my only
conclusion is he is a Q-U-A-C-K DOCTOR !!!
I repeat irrevocably and without any reservations ...,
Arturo is a QUACK DOCTOR !!!
QUACK DOCTOR ARTURO …, what is the definition of neurotic
and neurosis???
manong ben
bl...@ix.netcom.com
bl...@earthlink.net
Colton, CA 92324
USA
nabi
Hudson N Jackson II
Art...@CebuCebu.net wrote in message <378D6AC1...@CebuCebu.net>...
>Blacks here in the US make up under 20% of the total population yet 70% of
all
>prison inmates are black,
>is it racist to say that blacks are more likely to be criminals? Surly not!
>Is this unfair to the blacks that work hard and never break the law? You
bet!
It may not be racist to you. . . but take this wisdom from a black guy right
now - it can be used to perpetuate stereotypes. The seemingly innocent
statement implies something very subtly. . . and some can take it the wrong
way. It may not sound bad, but there are sensitivities you've got to look
out for. And I thought I told you that in recent days. If my words turn
out to be prophetic, don't come complaining to me. . .
In case you were wondering, Arthur (or is it Arturo?), that stuff above
doesn't bother me. . . but for some unknown reason, I do have problems when
folks make offensive comments about Pinoys. . . just so that you know which
side of the fence I'm on. But I'll see how I can spare you from the wrath
of. . . hmmmmm. . .
>Maybe your parents send you to a good school were your brain got stimulated
>instead of numbed,
>maybe you studied abroad and are as capable to understand as the best of
us,
>but yes: The majority of filipinos are incapable to comprehend simple
processes.
First off: that seems like a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of what
Steven said about Pinoys being successful in businesses in the Philippines.
But how many are force-fed with the garbage that keeps many American
students from doing well in school? Example - whole language learning as a
method of teaching them to read. . . what is that concept, anyway? O,
here's a good one - "the New Math". My younger sister almost got into
trouble when they were teaching her math that way. Everyone in the family
took time trying to get that "New Math" approach knocked out of her head.
Also, teachers should not have to "babysit" students. And, the cake-topper:
politics. Teachers should not be bringing in politics into the classroom -
whether their concern is school prayer or _x education. See, while many are
wasting their time in arguments during school board meetings over politics,
the kids could be doing much better in school.
Tell me if any of the above happens in the Philippines (since you claim to
have been there).
>Simple or? She brought back two return tickets! Similar things happen every
day
>all over the world,
>but I had this kind of problem when dealing with filipinos constantly!
Actually, I have had better service with them and other ethnic groups than
with the typical American. In a fast food restaurant, it is they who don't
*listen* to what I say! I go in for 2 6-piece Chicken McNuggets one day
because I see the 2 for $2.22 deal, right, and the blond cashier behind the
counter comes back in a short while with 1 box of 6 pieces and 1 box of 4. .
. which is 10. But I asked for 2 of 6. . . twelve!!! How did they get 10?
At Roy Rogers I asked for a three-piece chicken meal and I get *two*. E?
In both cases, English-speaking (native English-speaking, that is) Americans
couldn't get it right! But you know. . . each time someone screws up an
order and I have to tell them again what I asked for, they get an
attitude!!!
But you're trying to say that it happens all over the world for CYA
purposes. . . after all, you've been "doctoring" your opinions as a simple
method to keep it quiet around here at SCF, afraid what'll be said about
your posts. Yes, we know it happens everywhere, but we also know that kanos
have more attitude. . . especially if a customer doesn't get exactly what
was requested and goes to complain.
Now, you could help out by telling us what you or your friends did when you
are trying to buy something and a Pinoy didn't give you what you asked for -
and the reaction (s)he gave. The more we know what makes you frustrated and
why, the better someone can help you.
>Don't worry - the young generation of people here in the US are not any
better,
>most high school seniors here
>couldn't find the Philippines on a map!
And many of them don't care, either. This is due to way the system works.
First, school system is too politicized here. Then, students are being fed
the America is better than all other countries stuff for the first half of
their schooling and then in the second half are told that globalization is
proper for today's society. So what does that mean? It's the same thing as
the colonial stuff you hear Pinoys complain about.
No one has to see what the system is trying to teach outright. . . it's so
subtle, it sinks into the subconscious, but it's so obvious after a while. .
. assuming you hang around folks who continually oppose the introduction of
more liberal values into the schools or assuming most of society has
rejected you and has treated you as a nonconformist.
And what does naming a country on a map prove, anyways? Have you any hiya?
[lol]
- Hudson