Tsar Samuil's burial
Zhivko Apostolovski
patriarch church on the isle of St Achil, Lake Prespa (now under greek
juristiction). They have cited some greek professor by the name of Nicholas
Mutsopoulos (spelling?) who claims to have discovered the body prior to
1965, then transferred it to his home in Salonica, where he carried out
further examinations.
According to the report, Tsar Samui's body was buried wrapped in purple
cloth, which according to Mutsopoulos is the norm for royalty. It is known
that this is not the case with the Bulgarian Khans, but "coincides" with the
ancient Macedonian royalty, whose formal, ceremonial wear was purple, as
well. :-)
Food for thought for the bulgar and greek anti Macedonian propagandists. :-)
Zhivko
PS Ivan Vazov, one of the best known poets of the 19th C from Bulgaria, in
his poem "Before Belasitsa" refers to Tsar Samuil as the "Macedonian
Emperor" :-)
Hrel Vylk
Zhivko The Tatar> According to the report, Tsar Samui's body was
Zhivko The Tatar> buried wrapped in purple cloth, which according to
<drivel snipped>
Hey, Yugoslav piece of shit, how is life in the nuthouse? I mean, it's
good that they let patients play on computers and even give them access
to the Internet. Yes, that's good for the psychiatric patients like you,
but not so good for people that come across your drivel while reading
s.c.b.
Please concentrate on taking your pills regularly and try to stay away
from the computer: it's not good for your health.
As for the attire of the Bulgarian kings, including Samuil, it was
purple. But ancient Macedonian kings - like all other Greek kings - had
yellow attire because they were all homosexuals like Alexandros The
Great.
So it's quite normal that the Bulgarian king Samuel was buried in purple
clothes.
Radostina Georgieva
ne cross-post-vaite! Zashtoto tova shte dokara poveche ot tiah...
te ot 13 godini sa zaciklili i samo nabirat skorost, niama nikakva nadejda
za tiah... pone da ne go praviat v nashata grupa.
Molia, ne cross-postvaite!
"Hrel Vylk" <nos...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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What exactly this has to do with soc.culture.greek?
The same as a previous trolling of yours had with soc.culture.bulgaria.
You're just crossposting with the hope to troll on more toes, pal.
Get a life. Try to meet living people, to have some relations with
them. Helps sometimes.
Or, do whatever else, but give the normal people a break. Harassment
may be the only form of communication you are able to, but other people
don't like it, and don't need it. Go learn being normal.
++
More Tsar Samuel:
St. John Vladimir of Serbia
Holy martyr John Vladimir, King of Serbia belonged to a pious royal
family, which owned principalities of Zahumlje and Provala. He ascended
the Serbian throne in the second half of the tenth century and ruled in
Zeta and other regions in Illiria and Dalmatia. Since his early
childhood, St. John Vladimir had been blessed with the spiritual gifts
of meekness, humility, prudent taciturnity, fear of God, chastity and
disregard of material comforts. He mastered military science and became
a distinguished military leader, yet remained an example of piety, knew
the Holy Scripture and was merciful to the poor. Thanks to these
virtues, he brought many Bogomils (the heretics) back to Orthodoxy. As a
sovereign, he was revered by all because of his wisdom and goodness. To
propagate Orthodox faith and to eradicate heresies, St. John Vladimir
sent catechists to educate people.
Many hospitals, guest houses and monasteries were opened during the
reign of St. John Vladimir. Living the life that pleased God so much,
King John Vladimir had to unceasingly struggle against external enemies
(Samuel, Tsar of Bulgaria and Basil II the Macedonian, Emperor of
Byzantium), as well as internal foes (the Bogomils).
One day, Tsar Samuel attacked Serbia with a large army. King John
Vladimir avoided battle and stationed his squad on Mount Oblik
(Kosogor), which was very high. His soldiers suffered there from
poisonous snakes. St. John Vladimir tearfully prayed to God for help,
and God accepted his prayer. For some time Tsar Samuel was unsuccessful
in attacking the besieged Serbs, but a local prince betrayed them. When
it became clear to the Serbs that they would lose anyway, St. John
Vladimir assembled his men and said, "It is better for me to lay down my
life for you and willingly accept death, than for you to die of hunger
and by the sword." Having said this, he bid farewell to everybody and
surrendered to Tsar Samuel, who cast him into prison in the town of
Presna. While in prison, St. John Vladimir prayed unceasingly, and an
angel of God was sent to him to strengthen his spirit and to foretell
his release and a martyr's death afterwards.
Tsar Samuel had a daughter by the name of Kosara (Theodora), who was
exceptionally merciful and had the habit of visiting prisons. She fell
in love with the young and handsome prisoner and persuaded her father,
who granted her every wish, into releasing him. Tsar Samuel let his
daughter marry John Vladimir and restored him to his throne.
Upon returning home, King John Vladimir suggested to Theodora that they
live in chastity so as to follow a commandment of Christ (Mat. 19:10-12;
1 Cor. 7:29). Theodora agreed, and so they lived in love for God and
ruled their people in fear of God. In the meantime, major changes took
place in the Bulgarian Kingdom. Tsar Samuel died, his son Gabriel was
killed, and the throne was taken over by Vladislav, who disliked John
Vladimir. The latter had a vision of an eagle carrying a cross. The bird
glided above the forest and then went down and laid the cross on the
ground. The blessed king rendered homage to the cross and later built a
church on that spot, where he prayed day and night awaiting his martyrdom.
Tsar Vladislav conceived a plan to annex the estates of John Vladimir.
With this in mind, he summoned John Vladimir with the alleged purpose of
negotiating an agreement. Theodora, being apprehensive, tried to keep
him from going, yet he did not listen and left for Presna. When Tsar
Vladislav saw the king approaching, he drew his sword and struck John
Vladimir, but did not injure him. The saint said to him, "You want to
kill me, brother, but you can't." He handed Vladislav his sword, saying,
"Take it and kill me. I am ready to die, as were Isaac and Abel."
Vladislav, his mind obscured, grabbed the sword and cut off the martyr's
head. Beheaded, John Vladimir took up his own head, mounted his horse
and rode up to a church, saying, "Lord, into Thy hands I commend my
spirit." The killer ran away in horror. In this way, Blessed John
Vladimir became a martyr on May 22, 1015.
One could see a miraculous light above his grave on the first night
after his burial. This frightened the Bulgarian Tsar so much that he
handed over the body of the saint to his wife Theodora to bury him in a
place of her choice. The widow placed the body of her husband in the
church of the Most Holy Virgin Mary in Kraina. Theodora then took the
veil and spent the rest of her days near the grave of her beloved
husband. Upon her repose, she was buried next to him.
Tsar Vladislav died during the assault on the Serbian town of Drac in
early 1018. A warrior resembling St. John Vladimir suddenly appeared in
front of him, and when the latter broke into run in horror, an angel of
God struck him down.
Around 1215 the holy relics of John Vladimir were transferred to the
town of Drac and later to St. John's Monastery in Albania. In this
cloister dedicated to the martyred king, numerous miracles occurred.
Serbs, Albanians and Greeks paid tribute to the memory of John Vladimir,
calling him wonderworker and myrrh-giver. A service to the crowned
martyr and his biography were written, first in Serbian and then in
Greek. The Serbian text was lost later on, and monks Luke and Parthenius
of Hilandarion Monastery translated the service and the biography from
Greek back into Serbian. Metropolitan Michael of Belgrade included them
into Serbliak in 1861. In 1925 a church in honor of the Holy Martyr John
Vladimir was built in the monastery of St. Nahum on Lake Ohrid.
Speaking on icons, the saint is often depicted crowned, with a cross in
the right hand and his own head in the left.
stardimi
Zhivko Apostolovski
"stardimi" <jbo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Panayiotis
"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strabo VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
======================================
"stardimi" <jbo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
Stardimi,
I was curious about the same thing, but I refrained from asking Zhivkov,
because I knew he wouldn't reply. He is arrogant and full of bla-bla.
Panayiotis
Jason K. Lambrou
Just answer tyhe question gifto goat herder,BTW WTFI is a Zhivko
stardimi
Why is it so difficult to answer that? Do you have a complex with your
own perception of who you are?
I consider myself Greek, I have a Greek name, I speak Greek, you see...
easy! Now you try. Do you consider yourself a Slav? Are you proud to be
a Slav? Yes or no? Simple answer...
Dorian West
"Panayiotis" <panayi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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He is a slit-eyed MongolSlave full of the cruddy propaganda those
triangle-heads spew forth. F%^k man - choice: Greek or Slav, what would you
choose? It's that simple these slope-heads hate who and what they are with a
vengeance. Why else do Slavic women have as their number 1 career aspiration
becoming a western prostitute??? I wouldn't screw those diseased things in a
billion years.
June R Harton
"Zhivko Apostolovski" <zap2...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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'Cos he doesn't know that your parents told you they and you were
born Bulgarian and would die Bulgarian.
from: Spirit of Truth
(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
Dorian West
as though a demon horde from hell was chasing you? Humour me and make up
something even! I used the magic word. I said, "please". It's pathetic
destroying your world view with, as my great TV hero, Mr. Spock would say,
"pure logic". That reminds me of my other TV hero, William Shatner, who
wrote in his biography that he played Captain Kirk, "like the greatest Greek
hero, Alexander the Great". I do digress however.
Here, I'll help you answer the question that ails you so. "We renamed it
because we were finally free from Serbian control. We renamed it because the
Bulgarians and Germans on the Axis side were occupying Greece. We renamed it
because lost sources were uncovered that proved once and for all 2 key
points that 1. Macedonians were not Greeks and 2. we, the Slavs are
Macedonians. The sources were subsequently lost again. We didn't kill
200,000 Greeks, only 160,000 (I do say almost 200,000). We renamed it
because we are ashamed of our Slavic, Turkic and Gypsy origins and anything
has got to better than that. We renamed it in order to assume the identity
of the Macedonians, who are a glorious Greek tribe with a history spanning
over 3 millennia, and take everything they have even their lives if
necessary."
Why not answer question 1 of mine below? Oops, silly me, I have answered it
for you. Hehehehe!!!
1. Why did the Yugoslavs rename their province Vardaska Banovina, adjoining
the Greek province of Macedonia, to Republika Makedonija (Macedonia in
English) on 2nd August 1944? In addition, why did they consider it necessary
to kill almost 200,000 Greeks in their failed 1944-49 effort of conquering
and converting to atheist communism Greece and especially the beloved Greek
province of Macedonia - the Heart of Greece?
ANSWER TO GET YOU STARTED: "I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient
identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the
Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they
launched in the early days of the dispute... "Nor shall I engage in a
lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944,
although that, too, as much hard factual content. I simply remind the House
that Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944
was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It
laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective
was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean."
[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament]
Zhivko Apostolovski
I have absolutely no trouble answering your question. I am a Macedonian.....
with no other appelations, ...unlike some of the artificial "Greeks"
(grkomani) who claim dual identities (Macedonian and Greek, or Vlach and
Greek, or ?(choose any other ethnicity) and Greek). I speak Macedonian and I
have a Macedonian name. ...Easy! :-)
I am still puzzled why did you ask me the "slav" question? And even more
puzzled why you failed to answer why you asked me that question?
As for your declaration, good for you. :-), but it didn't interest me, nor
does it interest me now.
Now, will you be brave enough to answer my question? :-)
stardimi
You seemed to hesitate a bit. That's all. So why are you called Zhivko
Apostolovski? This is a name that sounds slavic to me? Apart from the
"Apostolos" bit which is Greek?
> I speak Macedonian and I
> have a Macedonian name. ...Easy! :-)
>
When you say you speak Macedonian you mean the language of Alexander
the Great?
Just curious... because from what I have verified myself, today's Greek
language is very close to Helenistic which is the language which
prevailed in Alexander's empire. Do you understand Greek?
> I am still puzzled why did you ask me the "slav" question? And even
more
> puzzled why you failed to answer why you asked me that question?
>
If you are "puzzled" maybe you are being a bit hypocritical because it
is natural for someone to assume that a person who has a slavic name
and speaks a slavic dialect and most importantly feels at home with it,
to be a proud slav.
I don't have any problems with slavs, in fact I appreciate proud people
regardless of where they come from. But in this case we seem to have a
"curiocity"
Jason K. Lambrou
WTFI a "ZHIVKO" answer that one first
stardimi
bloody hell, I'm impressed. These people whenever they prey someone
comes for help! It's like a red line to god. Jeeeesus Halleluiah!!!!
ADR
particularism. All the citizens of the Greek province of Macedonia are
Macedonians. It is self evident here that you are a Macedonian Slav
on the basis of your culture and language. I do not see why you have
possibly are problem with this. There are Macedonian Greeks, Slavs,
Albanians, Roma and Vlachs (on the main). Stating that you are simply
a Macedonian you display a tremendous level of insecurity and essential
contempt for the culture that you possess and the language that you
speak.
ADR
PS: Macedonian Greeks like me have a specific regional identity which
is a subset of their Greek national identity, very much like the other
regional groups in Greece. Macedonian Slavs have their own identity
which is separate from other Macedonian ethnic groups. Any attempt to
corner the term "Macedonian" by a single group is silly and doomed to
failure.
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
I give you a couple of hints
A. Simeon (Tzar, Kesar Imperator/Basilevs).
B. Roman (same).
C. Samuil (same).
One other hint,
Samuil assume the Bulgarian throne in 997, why he did not assumed it in
972 (as you claim to start the <macedonian> kindom).
Why title of Samuil, Gavrail, Ivan-Vladislav and Presian is Tzar?
Any other tzars you know?
Why Ivan-Vladislav wrote himself (you can see it in Bitolia museum) ...
Bulgarian Tzar, Bulgarian Kin, Bulgarian, Rule over Bulgarians, Protect
Bulgarians.
Of course I can ask you also why the grand son of Samuil (and last ruler
over Western Bulgaria) is named Presian (hint he is named that in memory
of whom?).
P.S. There are a hope Aleksandar Donski (and Zhivko as his prophet)
start reading the Bulgarian Classic Ivan Vazov. It is a beginning. Next
they should claim him as Macedonian (after all his family is from
Kostur) and named after him some street or plaza. If you going to
konnonized him as next Macedonian author - that bulgarians trying to
steal from you - please quote me as a source.
George W. Bush@yahoo.com Pres George W. Bush
>
> I have absolutely no trouble answering your question. I am a
Macedonian.....
> with no other appelations, ...unlike some of the artificial "Greeks"
> (grkomani) who claim dual identities (Macedonian and Greek, or Vlach and
> Greek, or ?(choose any other ethnicity) and Greek). I speak Macedonian and
I
> have a Macedonian name. ...Easy! :-)
That is correct! We are flattered that the Bulgarians and the Greeks show
so much interest in us, unfortunately we are Macedonians only and will never
change for our occupiers.
--
Regards,
President George W. Bush
The White House
Washington, DC
United States of America
George W. Bush@yahoo.com Pres George W. Bush
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Singing straight from the songbook of Greek propaganda. Its amazing how you
Grkomans all sound the same. The fallacy in your analysis above is that
"any single group" is trying to claim to be Macedonian, as if there are
separate peoples making this claim. THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE.
ADR
mean???
ADR
Jason K. Lambrou
Yes you are!!!
George W. Bush@yahoo.com Pres George W. Bush
> Who are the same people? Am I the same as you? Is this what you
> mean???
>
> ADR
YES
George W. Bush@yahoo.com Pres George W. Bush
news:Yx0Fd.42442$Yh2.19...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
At least we can agree on something.
Dorian West
There you go again Dr. Retzios, proving to me that you are indeed a Slav and
a Trojan horse, this time against the Greeks! Since when is a MongolSlave a
Macedonian-Slav????? Slav-Macedonian at best, but not a Macedonian-Slav,
ever! This is an insult to the Macedonian-Greeks and spits in the eyes of
those Greeks that fought against the bog-head Slavs who wished to propel
Greece into the abyss of Godless communism.
Anyway,
why is it when I ask this 1 question, let alone scores more, you Slavs hide
June R Harton
"Zhivko Apostolovski" <zap2...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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Very silly, BULGAR.
Folks, you only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority,
like that last poster and ilindra, and Nicholov and Slavko are simply West
Bulgarians and have no connection to 'Macedonia' anything:
In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:
"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."
And here:
Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......
http://www.ucc.ie/staff/jprodr/macedonia/macmodnat2.html
Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).
And here:
For fair use only.
http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/documents/ilinden.htm
" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...
...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.
... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...
Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.
The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"
Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV
This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,
and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "
And here:
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen1.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/drzhava.htm
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm
http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm
And finally here
http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/bitola06.htm
http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid
June R Harton
"Pres George W. Bush" <Pres George W. Bu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Do you think being stupid impresses anyone, Bulgar?
June R Harton
stardimi
It's obvious that one of us is victim of some kind of propaganda. But
wouldn't you say that to a neutral observer someone who has a slavic
name and speaks a slavic language and claims that he is actually
"macedonian" and that his language is actually Greek, but not the fake
Greek of the other Greeks but the real Greek of the Macedonians, which
actually is slavic and sounds like Bulgarian... don't you think that to
this observer you might appear as a little bit biased? In the end if
"we" are that good in creating conspiracies by hijacking the language,
the land, the religion, the names, the cities, and the mental
projection of the Macedonians and you the genuine indigenous failed to
preserve any of that, and actually you hate most of that, then we
deserve this heritage and you don't. At least we don't hate it and try
to change our names to apostolov and paparofsky. We keep the originals
because we like them. We actually love them. If you like them too, then
you can change your name to Zarkadis Apostolopoulos and then you might
sound more convincing.
Actually this whole line of argumentation enters the realm of
rediculous. The reson why I originally asked you was because I wanted
to see wether behind these claims of yours there is actually some
rationale, for example in why your names and language are slavic but
you resent being slavs. What is the rationale behind this? But very
quickly I realised as many others have that you don't present any
rational. On the contrary you try to convince us that Zhivko
Apostolovski is not slavic but Macedonian, because you like it so and
without providing any rationale. I'm afraid this makes you the obvious
victim of propaganda in my mind, I'm not convinced about anything
you're saying, not because I believe in my own book, but because you
don't provide any plausible explanation for some very telling
observables. You had many chances to do it, many people asked you, and
you still didn't provide any explanations on the burning issues. So
don't blame us if we don't believe you.
Panayiotis
"And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece."
(Strabo VII, Frg. 9 [Loeb, H.L. Jones])
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stardimi,
Very good analysis.
The question you posed to Zhivko is still unanswered: "do you consider
yourself a slav or not"?
Zhivko, still waiting for a straight answer.
Panayiotis
ADR
ADR
Jason K. Lambrou
> Well, how do you know that I am the same as you??? I am just wondering
> ADR
>
You are anti-Greek, and you insult Greek posters everytime you get a
chance,as Dorian said you play good cop/bad cop in this NG.Explain to us
peasants-for an esteemed professot like yourself to have a newsreader
that cannot read Greek, in the year 2005? Εσυ εισε Σλαβος 100%,
Zhivko Apostolovski
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Dorian West
Why is it when I ask this 1 question let alone scores more, you Slavs hide
like a demon horde from hell was chasing you? Humour me and make up
something even! I used the magic word. I said, "please". It's pathetic
destroying your world view with, as my great TV hero, Mr. Spock would say,
"pure logic". That reminds me of my other TV hero, William Shatner who wrote
in his biography he played Captain Kirk, "like the greatest Greek hero,
Alexander the Great". I do digress however.
Here, I'll help you answer the question that ails you so. We renamed it
because we were finally free from Serbian control. We renamed it because the
Bulgarians and Germans on the Axis side were occupying Greece. We renamed it
because lost sources were uncovered that proved once and for all 2 key
points that 1. Macedonians were not Greeks and 2. we, the Slavs are
Macedonians. The sources were subsequently lost again. We didn't kill
200,000 Greeks, only 160,000 (I do say almost 200,000).
Why not answer question 1 of mine below? Oops, silly me, I have answered it
for you. Hehehehe!!!
1. Why did the Yugoslavs rename their province Vardaska, adjoining the Greek
province of Macedonia, to Makedonija (Macedonia in English) on 2nd August
1944? In addition, why did they consider it necessary to kill almost 200,000
Greeks in their failed 1944-49 effort of conquering Greece and especially
Dorian West
"Zhivko Apostolovski" <zap2...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Jason K. Lambrou" <jkl...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:FSdFd.42487$Yh2.19...@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>> ADR wrote:
>>
>> > Well, how do you know that I am the same as you??? I am just wondering
>> > ADR
>> >
>> You are anti-Greek, and you insult Greek posters everytime you get a
>> chance,as Dorian said you play good cop/bad cop in this NG.Explain to us
>> peasants-for an esteemed professot like yourself to have a newsreader
>> that cannot read Greek, in the year 2005? ??? ???? ?????? 100%,
bg123...@abv.bg
Abre, ignorant! All the Balkan rulers - Serbs, Bulgarians, Vlachs,
etc. copied the Byzantine ceremonial, that is they were all in red,
purple shoes, etc.
gogu
news:d05b5d0e.05011...@posting.google.com...
And this is exactly what their "grandchildren" (some of them) are doing even
today: they are "copying" (=stealing) the history they don't have and are
jealous on !
Some things never change even after millenniums...
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E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html
Nikolay Sarmadzhiev
> ? <bg123...@abv.bg> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:d05b5d0e.05011...@posting.google.com...
>
> today: they are "copying" (=stealing) the history they don't have and are
> jealous on !
> Some things never change even after millenniums...
>
Justinian. Same goes for Boris (by Mihail) and Simeon as Tzar (Emperor)
- by the Patriarch of Constantinople. Kalojan was crown Rex by pope,
Stefan Dushan was crown Tzar by Ohrid Archbishop (the successor of
Preslav Patriarch) and Ivan Asen II by the Nikean Emperor (forgot the
name). S
Ivan IV Tzar - by the Constantinople Patriarch as well.
If you think it is a <copying> or <stealing> it OK.
bg123...@abv.bg
> ? <bg123...@abv.bg> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:d05b5d0e.05011...@posting.google.com...
> > Lele male!
> > Abre, ignorant! All the Balkan rulers - Serbs, Bulgarians, Vlachs,
> > etc. copied the Byzantine ceremonial, that is they were all in red,
> > purple shoes, etc.
>
>
> And this is exactly what their "grandchildren" (some of them) are doing even
> today: they are "copying" (=stealing) the history they don't have and are
> jealous on !
> Some things never change even after millenniums...
Well, if you believe that red was promoted royal colour by the
Byzantines that would be your prblem.