It isnae fair .......
Robert Henderson
daily telegraph
SNP wants to pick a fight with Westminster
By Alan Cochrane
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 03/03/2008
OH dear! From the squeals of anguish emanating from Nat HQ
yesterday, it was as if they'd kicked their ball over the fence and that
nasty neighbour was refusing to give it back.
And, in a sense, that is what's happened to the SNP's much-vaunted and
often-trailed policy of replacing council tax with extra income tax.
It's true that they'd prefer us to call it a local income tax but as
under their plans it would be decided centrally - their latest proposal
is for an extra 3p tax on earned income - there's nothing local about
it.
However, ever since the Nats mooted the plan, they've been told time
without number that the £400 million that the Treasury hands over in
council tax relief would not be forthcoming.
No council tax; no council tax relief. Geddit? .......
..... But the SNP weren't listening. What they saw, and what they
screamed to anyone who was listening yesterday, was a tailor-made excuse
for the mother of all rows with Westminster.
"It's Scotland's money", they wailed, ignoring that the £400 million
comes into this country's coffers specifically to make good the
shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Nkosi
wrote:
>
> the £400 million comes into this country's coffers specifically to make good the
> shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>
> --
> Robert Henderson
Which of course you would be one.
Nkosi
Robert Henderson
<4b82db97-2806-4aa4...@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Nkosi <mina...@googlemail.com> writes
Do stop projecting. RH
>Nkosi
Robert Peffers
news:OJbT3pci...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>
>
> daily telegraph
> SNP wants to pick a fight with Westminster
> By Alan Cochrane
> Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 03/03/2008
>
> OH dear! From the squeals of anguish emanating from Nat HQ
> yesterday, it was as if they'd kicked their ball over the fence and that
> nasty neighbour was refusing to give it back.
>
> And, in a sense, that is what's happened to the SNP's much-vaunted and
> often-trailed policy of replacing council tax with extra income tax. It's
> true that they'd prefer us to call it a local income tax but as under
> their plans it would be decided centrally - their latest proposal is for
> an extra 3p tax on earned income - there's nothing local about it.
>
> However, ever since the Nats mooted the plan, they've been told time
> without number that the £400 million that the Treasury hands over in
> council tax relief would not be forthcoming.
>
> No council tax; no council tax relief. Geddit? .......
Yes indeed, we do, "Gettit", and we also see the same scams again from
Westinster that is the very best recruiting tool the SNP has ever had.
All the SNP needs do is expose the the double dealing standars, that have
made Westminster famous, and we see a few thousand more votes moving from
Unionist parties and Scotland another step closer to independence.
Do you, "Geddit"?
The money does not come from an English budget for it is out of that sum
that is already Scottish funding.
>
> ..... But the SNP weren't listening. What they saw, and what they
> screamed to anyone who was listening yesterday, was a tailor-made excuse
> for the mother of all rows with Westminster.
As my Old Grannie would have put it, "It taks twa dugs tae hae a
collieshangie", and it is rather stupid of Westminster to claim these
fall-outs are all one sided.
Just a bit like the very stupid Home Secretary Jacqui Smith who has just
rejected Scottish Government calls for a review of gun laws.
She also declined an invitation to co-host a firearms summit with Scots
Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill.
Firearms control is reserved to Westminster, but Holyrood ministers said
Scotland had a distinct problem, especially in relation to airguns.
UK Scottish Secretary Des Browne told BBC Scotland that gun law had already
been tightened and had brought results.
Mr MacAskill, who will press ahead with the summit, accused Mrs Smith of
"complacency" - a claim Mr Browne described as a "gross distortion".
Who though, do you think Jock Public is going to side with?
>
> "It's Scotland's money", they wailed, ignoring that the £400 million
> comes into this country's coffers specifically to make good the shortfall
> in local government finance caused by those who are on benefits or for
> other reasons can't pay their council tax.
Indeed, you are also so very stupid, Robert,.
Just ask Jock Public what he thinks and you will find that he, who has seen
the SNP's policies bring him his University for free, his personal care in
the community for free, his passage over every bridge in Scotland for free
and soon to see his prescription charges for free deciding he is never going
to vote for an English based Unionist party evet again.
Westminster is playing right into Alex Salmond's hands with every petty
action they take to oppose him.
Look also at Westminster's sour grapes reactions to the announcement from
the Welsh government, who have already made all Welsh prescriptions free,
that they are removing that tax on the sick that Westminster were
responsible for.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7275796.stm
The abolition of car parking charges at Welsh hospitals has led to a row
between Labour health ministers in Cardiff and London.
UK Health Minister Ben Bradshaw said it did not make sense to spend NHS
money on "subsidising" car parks.
He spoke as the Department of Health (DoH) said the move went against the UK
government's climate change strategy.
But Welsh Health Minister Edwina Hart said it was "putting patients first"
and accused the DoH of "sour grapes".
Sorry to tell you this, Robert, but Westminster is playing right into the
hands of all the Non-English UK countries.
Unless the Nigel Public gets off it's colletive English lazy arses and
forces Westminster to give them a Parliament of their own, complete with a
capped block grant like everyone else, and are thus on a transparent
accounting system like everyone else, then there will not be a UK for them
to attempt to order around.
By the way, do you remember crowing at the Scots that big business would
scuttle away from Scotland if the Scots were not ruled from Westminster?
Well think on this,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1737058.stm
"UK consumers are heading into the new year in a more confident mood than
their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey from the
UK's largest mortgage lender Halifax HBOS",
HBOS is based in Edinburgh.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6294308.stm
"HBOS, the UK's fourth biggest bank, has stepped up its international drive
with plans to open 160 new branches on Australia's east coast.
The expansion plans, under the bank's BankWest brand, will cost $380m
Australian dollars ($327m; £161m) in 2007 and 2008, it said.
The number of BankWest branches will rise to 250 from 90 over the next four
years, accessing 11 million customers.
HBOS hopes to challenge the dominance of Australia's big four lenders".
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/HBOS-unveils-plans-for-global.3838380.jp
"BANK gazumps developers as it enters talks with Scottish & Newcastle to buy
former brewery for more than £100 million
THE banking giant HBOS is planning to create a massive new global
headquarters' complex in Edinburgh city centre, The Scotsman has learned.
The company is in advanced talks to buy a historic former brewery site in
Fountainbridge for a state-of-the-art base for around 6,000 staff.
HBOS confirmed last night that it had entered exclusive talks with Scottish
& Newcastle to snap up the site of the former Fountain Brewery, which closed
in June 2005. The bank hopes to have the development up and running within
five years".
Then we have the expansion through the years of the RBoS Group who also took
over some littleEnglish concerns on its way up. Like the takeover of
National Westminster Bank in 2000.
This too, is a Scottish bank among the World's biggest banks and based in
Edinburgh.
Perhaps you are not aware of the Scottish involvement in the HSBC Holdings
plc?
The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation, a bank established in Hong
Kong by a Scotsman named Thomas Sutherland in 1865 to finance the growing
trade between China and Europe.
Oh! And did I mention that, in 1691, William Paterson, a Scottish trader
much respected in London's financial circles, devised a cunning scheme to
let the cash-strapped ENGLIDH government of the time, impoverished by years
of civil war, borrow from the country's rich landowners at good rates of
interest. The lenders, or "shareholders" would be known as The Company of
the Bank of England.
Yep, the bank of England was Scottish too.
RBos has, fairly recently, built themselves a quite large headquarters at
Goggarburn on the outskirts of Edinburgh.
So we have two of the biggest banks in thhe UK based in Edinburgh who are
buying up lumps of Edinburgh and building themselves large headquarters. Now
these two were the ones who showed their faith in Scotland some time ago and
backed the search for oil in the North Sea when others though it a pipe
dream.
Did I mention the Gold Mine that is being re-opened in Scotland?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/7189118.stm
The gold market has been thriving in recent years
An Australian company has announced plans to begin mining for gold in
Scotland.
Scotgold said it intended to fast-track plans to become the country's most
significant gold producer after listing on the Australian Securities
Exchange.
The company, which bought Cononish mine in Tyndrum in May last year, has
raised millions of Australian dollars to begin operations.
And you think Westminster is winning some king of battle?
You have to be kidding, Scotland cannot lose. Wesminster has to lose.
If Westminster makes their point stick and the SNP do not get to bring in
their scheme the Scots will resent Westminster interference in Scottish
Affairs and The SNP will win Brownie Points and Unionist Parties will lose
votes. If Westminster does not make their point stick then the SNP goes
ahead and do away with the Council Tax and Unionist Westminster MPs lose
votes while the SNP Westminster MPs gain them. At Holyrood level the SNP
gains votes if they change the hated Council Tax and they gain votes if
Westminster refuses to allow them to change the Council Tax.
There are two things we Scots are very, very, good at. Money and running
England for the English.
Whatever will you do without us?
--
The real Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Robert Peffers
Well you are unemployed are you not?
Robert Peffers
news:2008030419053916807-guig@yerawathamecom...
> On 2008-03-04 14:18:00 +0000, Robert Henderson
>
>> In message
>> <4b82db97-2806-4aa4...@h25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Nkosi <mina...@googlemail.com> writes
>>> On Mar 3, 7:33 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> the £400 million comes into this country's coffers specifically to make
>>>> good the
>>>> shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
>>>> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert Henderson
>>>
>>> Which of course you would be one.
>>>
>>
>> Do stop projecting. RH
>>
>>> Nkosi
>
>
Drain? The old bugger is a sewer.
Robert Henderson
<gu...@yerawathame.com> writes
>>Nkosi <mina...@googlemail.com> writes
>>> On Mar 3, 7:33 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> the £400 million comes into this country's coffers specifically to
>>>>make good the
>>>> shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
>>>> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>>>> --
>>>> Robert Henderson
>>> Which of course you would be one.
>>>
>> Do stop projecting. RH
>>
>>> Nkosi
>
>
Happily, unlike Scotchland where every Scotchman is a drain on the
English purse, we pay our way. RH
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>
>>
>> "It's Scotland's money", they wailed, ignoring that the £400
>>million comes into this country's coffers specifically to make good
>>the shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
>>benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>
>Indeed, you are also so very stupid, Robert,.
>Just ask Jock Public what he thinks and you will find that he, who has
>seen the SNP's policies bring him his University for free, his personal
>care in the community for free, his passage over every bridge in
>Scotland for free and soon to see his prescription charges for free
>deciding he is never going to vote for an English based Unionist party
>evet again.
>Westminster is playing right into Alex Salmond's hands with every petty
>action they take to oppose him.
All paid for by England:
The Treasury's Public Expenditure Statistical Analysis gives these
figures for the percentage of regional income derived from Government
Spending on the British mainland in 2004/5
Scotland 51.7
Wales 58.6
England
NW 49.2
W Mid 44.4
S West 40.4
S East 32.6
London 34.0
East 37.2
E Mid 41.5
Yorks/ 45.3
Humb
N East 58.7
Figures taken from D Telegraph 14 5 2005 article by George Trefarne p 34
The figures show clearly (1) the vulnerability of Scotland and Wales and
(2) the extent to which the SE is discriminated against.
Trefarne writes of Scotland:"If Scotland were an independent country, it
would be close to bankruptcy and its bonds would be rated as juk., if
an annual report called "Government Revenue and Expenditure in Scotland"
by the Scottish executive is anything to go by. Thanks to an antiquated
system, Scotlnd receives a generous subsidy fro English taxpayers every
year. But, if it stood alone, it would have a deficit of more than 11
pc of GDP, worse than any other nation. The next highest is Japan with
a deficit of 7pc. Even if the entire £5 billion of North Sea oil
revenues [which are often much less when the oil price is low RH] were
alloocated to Scotland, as some nationalists demand, the budget deficit
would still be 4.2pc."
The condition of Wales and N Ireland is considerably worse than that
of Scotland.
To emphasise the extent to which England subsidizes the Celts, let me
re-post the figures I gave in a recent thread:
This year's Public
Expenditure Analyses published by the Treasury show that
expenditure on public services per head will be as follows
for 2005/6:
*N Ireland £8,566
Scotland £7,786
Wales £7,312
England £6,391
* Daily Telegraph 10 5 2005
The underfunding of England has increased since Labour came
to power. Take the per capita figures for Scotland as an
example - they are adjusted for inflation:
England Scotland
*1999/2000 œ4,848 œ5,937
2000/2001 œ5,074 œ6,213
2001/2002 œ5,407 œ6,713
2002/2003 œ5,586 œ6,860
2003/2004 œ5,940 œ7,346
2005/2005 œ6,267 œ7,635
* Daily Telegraph 10 5 2005
What does the expenditure cover in detail? It is this:
*General public services
Public order and safety
Enterprise and economic development
Science and technology
Employment policy
Agriculture, fisheries and forestry
Transport
Environment protection
Housing and community policies
Health
Recreation, culture and religion
Education and training
Social protection
* Daily Telegraph 10 5 2005
In short, the vast majority of total UK budget spending is
accounted for by this expenditure. Hence, the usual Scotch
whine about disproportionate spending in England on other items is
nonsense. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert Henderson
>>>
>>>Which of course you would be one.
>>>
>>
>> Do stop projecting. RH
>>
>>>Nkosi
>>
>> -- Robert Henderson
>> Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
>Well you are unemployed are you not?
I have the same status as you, retired. The difference is my country
pays its way while yours holds its hand out. RH
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>The old bugger is a sewer.
You have yourself to the life, Auld Bob Reekiers. RH
Paul C
The Scottish figure is well below that of Denmark and Sweden, both
with booming economies and per capita GDP higher than the UK
> Even if the entire £5 billion of North Sea oil
>revenues [which are often much less when the oil price is low RH] were
>alloocated to Scotland, as some nationalists demand, the budget deficit
>would still be 4.2pc."
The current UK figure is 3.6%, so there isn't much of a difference.
Paul C
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>
>Happily, unlike Scotchland where every Scotchman is a drain on the
>English purse, we pay our way. RH
You are a drain on my purse and on the purse of every working Scot,
you idle layabout.
Robert Peffers
Nope! Not with a fiscal deficit of £42 Billion you don't.
Robert Peffers
> to Scotland, as some nationalists demand, the budget deficit would still
> be 4.2pc."
>
> The condition of Wales and N Ireland is considerably worse than that of
> Scotland.
>
> To emphasise the extent to which England subsidizes the Celts, let me
> re-post the figures I gave in a recent thread:
>
> This year's Public
> Expenditure Analyses published by the Treasury show that
> expenditure on public services per head will be as follows
> for 2005/6:
>
> Scotland £7,786
> Wales £7,312
> England £6,391
>
> * Daily Telegraph 10 5 2005
>
snip
The Daily Telegraph?
Since when did they do the UK's books?
Your figures are rubbish! With the usual spin.
But these are not -
Source: ONS Labour Market Statistics, June 2006, (seasonally adjusted)
Country/Region Unemployment figures for Jan - Mar 2006.
N. Ireland 4.4%
London 7.6%
Scotland 5.3%
West Midlands 5.1%
North East 6.7%
North West 4.9%
Yorks./Humberside 5.3%
Wales 4.7%
East Midlands 4.9%
South East 4.4%
South West 3.6%
East 4.8%
And we see that with N.I. at 4.4%
Scotland at 5.3%
Wales at 4.7%
and London at 7.6%
It is the Celts, (as you would have it), who are subsidising London.
Remember that these figures are a percentage of population.
With a population of around 8,505,000 and a percentage of 7.6% there are
more unemployed people in London than the rest of the UK put together.
Add to these the homeless, prison population, disabled, long term sick, the
old and the 1 in 5 employed by the central or local government and they use
up a great deal of funding.
And my figures are not from a biased newsrag but the Office of national
Statistics.
Robert Peffers
Your country most certainly does not pay its way and has been kept going
only with the aid of the North Sea oil it gets from Scotland.
How could they be subsidising anyone?
They have a fiscal Deficit of around £42 billion ATM.
If their tax take is short by £42 billion someone is paying for that £42
Billion and it is not them.
Robert Peffers
> On 2008-03-05 05:49:38 +0000, Robert Henderson
>
>> In message <2008030419053916807-guig@yerawathamecom>, guig
>> <gu...@yerawathame.com> writes
>>>> Nkosi <mina...@googlemail.com> writes
>>>>> On Mar 3, 7:33 pm, Robert Henderson <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the £400 million comes into this country's coffers specifically to
>>>>>> make good the
>>>>>> shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
>>>>>> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Robert Henderson
>>>>> Which of course you would be one.
>>>>>
>>>> Do stop projecting. RH
>>>>
>>>>> Nkosi
>>>
>>> So, do you contribute to the coffers or are you a drain?
>>>
>>
>> Happily, unlike Scotchland where every Scotchman is a drain on the
>> English purse, we pay our way. RH
>
> are in fulltime employment and pay your taxes (income, council etc) into
> the system the same as myself?
>
>
He thinks he is on a par with me and retired. Yes I am now retired but I
worked for over 50 years and thus paid full stamps and I was a big earner
who paid well over my fair share of income and other tax.
Then there is that little fact that he lives in a subsided council flat,
probably gets rebate on his council tax, and goodness knows what other state
benefits. I own my own cottage home, and everything in it, my vehicle and
and have no hire purchase and no mortgage. I pay council tax, income tax and
full water rates too.
I have a good pension that I paid the contributions on, the State Pension,
with extra from extra contributions. Ergo I pay my way and always have done.
I have never been unemployed in my life.
The plain fact is this poor man, Henderson, is more to be pitied that
loathed for he is very obviously suffering some form of mental illness,
(other than the obvious paranoia).
It really is quite pointless attempting any form of debate with him for
debate depends upon reason. He has none.
Robert Peffers
> On 2008-03-05 05:50:52 +0000, Robert Henderson
>
>> In message <85OdnU4uhIiIDFDa...@bt.com>, Robert Peffers
>> <peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It's Scotland's money", they wailed, ignoring that the £400 million
>>>> comes into this country's coffers specifically to make good the
>>>> shortfall in local government finance caused by those who are on
>>>> benefits or for other reasons can't pay their council tax.
>>>
>>> Indeed, you are also so very stupid, Robert,.
>>> Just ask Jock Public what he thinks and you will find that he, who has
>>> seen the SNP's policies bring him his University for free, his personal
>>> care in the community for free, his passage over every bridge in
>>> Scotland for free and soon to see his prescription charges for free
>>> deciding he is never going to vote for an English based Unionist party
>>> evet again.
>>> Westminster is playing right into Alex Salmond's hands with every petty
>>> action they take to oppose him.
>>
>> All paid for by England:
>>
>>
>> The Treasury's Public Expenditure Statistical Analysis gives these
>> figures for the percentage of regional income derived from Government
>> Spending on the British mainland in 2004/5
>
>
>
Yes. There is a lag in the figures being made public and it is, as it states
above, not the actual figures but, "The Treasury's Public Expenditure
Statistical Analysis ".
The simple fact is that the Treasury has a vested interest in keeping
everything so complicated that no one can get to the real truth.
Why else do you think they will not put England of the same financial
footing as everyone else.
All it would take is to credit all income to the UK Treasury but as from
each country and give each country a block grant that was capped.
It is the fact that only England is funded, (uncapped), as the UK while all
the rest get capped block grants but the income goes into that same
UK/England coffer that causes all the unanswered questions.
Why else did you think there is no will in England to have their own
parliament and block grant?
They sit there with Westminster running England and the Whitehall civil
service administering it and everyone in the UK is financing the Westminster
parliament. However, everyone else has to pay for their own parliament MPs
and their own civil servants from within their own block grant. And the
bugger whinge because we get a little extra per head to compensate for what
we contribute to running England.
Robert Peffers
> On 2008-03-04 18:12:34 +0000, "Robert Peffers" <peff...@btinternet.com>
>
>>
>> And you think Westminster is winning some king of battle?
>> You have to be kidding, Scotland cannot lose. Wesminster has to lose.
>> If Westminster makes their point stick and the SNP do not get to bring in
>> their scheme the Scots will resent Westminster interference in Scottish
>> Affairs and The SNP will win Brownie Points and Unionist Parties will
>> lose votes. If Westminster does not make their point stick then the SNP
>> goes ahead and do away with the Council Tax and Unionist Westminster MPs
>> lose votes while the SNP Westminster MPs gain them. At Holyrood level the
>> SNP gains votes if they change the hated Council Tax and they gain votes
>> if Westminster refuses to allow them to change the Council Tax.
>> There are two things we Scots are very, very, good at. Money and running
>> England for the English.
>> Whatever will you do without us?
>
> joint, how long did it take Brown to contact and congratulate Salmond on
> his election as FM? IIRC Blair spoke to Salmond within a day or so but
> Brown took weeks because he was "busy". Aye right.
Have you not seen Ming Campbell's biography claims?
Ming claims Gordon twice had secret meetings with him in an effort to block
Alex Salmond from being able to form a Scottish government.
However, Ming, said he could do nothing and neither should Gordon as this
was a Holyrood matter and he, Ming, was the Lib/Dem Westminster leader.
You can read the story here -
http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Sir-Menzies-reveals-Brown39s-secret.3842935.jp
The Labour Party, both in Westminster and in Holyrood are not playing the
game as it was meant to be in Holyrood - consensus politics.
Now we have Nicol Stevens sticking a spanner in the works in the SNP plans
to do away with the Council Tax by refusing to back it.
In my mind there is a great ground swell going on in Scotland with a lot of
people swinging to the SNP.
I can only see Brown/Labour Party vindictive moves as increasing that ground
swell for, face it, the Poll tax thing was not going to cost Westminster an
extra penny so who block the funds that Scotland were already getting?
As to the Lib/Dems a little thought as to how the Tory Party were swept out
of Scotland might be in order.
I am getting on a bit and I was beginning to think I would never live in a
free Scotland but with such petty actions, and quite obviously against what
is good for Scotland, Independence may not be so far away after all.
Robert Henderson
<Mal...@ogilvie.org> writes
>>
>>>>
>>>> Do stop projecting. RH
>>>>
>>>>>Nkosi
>>>>
>>>> -- Robert Henderson
>>>> Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
>>>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>>>
>>>Well you are unemployed are you not?
>>
>>I have the same status as you, retired.
>
>it?
>
I shall not pander to your ignorance of retirement ages. RH
>--
Robert Henderson
<pa...@thersgb.net> writes
> idle layabout.
You have yourself to a tee. RH
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>Well you are unemployed are you not?
>>
>> I have the same status as you, retired. The difference is my country
>>pays its way while yours holds its hand out. RH
>> -- Robert Henderson
>> Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
>Your country most certainly does not pay its way and has been kept
>going only with the aid of the North Sea oil it gets from Scotland.
>How could they be subsidising anyone?
>They have a fiscal Deficit of around £42 billion ATM.
>If their tax take is short by £42 billion someone is paying for that
>£42 Billion and it is not them.
>--
"The senile patient having a particularly virulent fit of hyperdelusion,
doctor!" RH
Robert Henderson
<pa...@thersgb.net> writes
>
>
>
>The Scottish figure is well below that of Denmark and Sweden, both with
>booming economies and per capita GDP higher than the UK
ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand the difference between
independent states (Denmark/Sweden) and parts of a state (Scotchland).
. RH
Paul C
<phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <g2lts353n0d6dfpjg...@4ax.com>, Paul C
><pa...@thersgb.net> writes
>>
>>
>>
>>The Scottish figure is well below that of Denmark and Sweden, both with
>>booming economies and per capita GDP higher than the UK
>
>ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand the difference between
>independent states (Denmark/Sweden) and parts of a state (Scotchland).
>. RH
So why exactly were you making and issue of the Scottish figure?
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>>
>>> Happily, unlike Scotchland where every Scotchman is a drain on the
>>>English purse, we pay our way. RH
>>
>> Since we are talking about *you* specifically, you are telling us
>>that you are in fulltime employment and pay your taxes (income,
>>council etc) into the system the same as myself?
>>
>>
>
>He thinks he is on a par with me and retired. Yes I am now retired but
>I worked for over 50 years and thus paid full stamps and I was a big
>earner who paid well over my fair share of income and other tax.
>Then there is that little fact that he lives in a subsided council
>flat, probably gets rebate on his council tax, and goodness knows what
>other state benefits. I own my own cottage home, and everything in it,
>my vehicle and and have no hire purchase and no mortgage. I pay council
>tax, income tax and full water rates too.
>I have a good pension that I paid the contributions on, the State
>Pension, with extra from extra contributions. Ergo I pay my way and
>always have done. I have never been unemployed in my life.
>The plain fact is this poor man, Henderson, is more to be pitied that
>loathed for he is very obviously suffering some form of mental illness,
>(other than the obvious paranoia).
>It really is quite pointless attempting any form of debate with him for
>debate depends upon reason. He has none.
"He just lives in a complete fantasy world, doctor." RH
Robert Henderson
>>
>>The Scottish figure is well below that of Denmark and Sweden, both with
>>booming economies and per capita GDP higher than the UK
>>
>>ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand the difference between
>>independent states (Denmark/Sweden) and parts of a state (Scotchland).
>>. RH
>
>So why exactly were you making and issue of the Scottish figure?
ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand that a country has to fund
itself while a region can be subsidised by another within the country,
as happens with England's subsidies to the Celtic Fringe. RH
Robert Henderson
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>So what age were you when you "retired", Rabbie, and how long ago was
>>>it?
>>>
>>
>>I shall not pander to your ignorance of retirement ages. RH
>
>
>Now, having dodged answering my first question, what about answering my
>second?
Status quo. RH
Robert Peffers
The idiot is back into his delusions again.
You need to get out more, Ahem!
Robert Peffers
No, Old Dear! The description was of you.
Robert Peffers
There is no place called Scotchland so you are delusional again.
Robert Peffers
England cannot even pay her own way as she has a Fiscal Deficit of around
£42 Billion pounds.
Explain how England can be subsidising anyone when the United Kingdom
Government publishes no direct figures for England and it is the UK
government that pays funding for the UK countries but there are no figures
for England.
You have been making these daft claims for many years - they have convinced
no one - are you, perhaps, attempting to convince yourself?
Robert Peffers
Henderson waves the white flag again.
Next he will retreat --- --- --- into an imaginary medical fantasy.
Robert Henderson
<Mal...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>>uk> writes
>>>>>So what age were you when you "retired", Rabbie, and how long ago
>>>>>was it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I shall not pander to your ignorance of retirement ages. RH
>>>
>>>Of course you won't, because you retired early, didn't you?
>>>
>>>Now, having dodged answering my first question, what about answering
>>>my second?
>>
>>Status quo. RH
>
>instance, you obviously daren't reveal the facts I've asked for.
>
>--
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>>The Scottish figure is well below that of Denmark and Sweden, both with
>>>>booming economies and per capita GDP higher than the UK
>>>>
>>>>ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand the difference between
>>>>independent states (Denmark/Sweden) and parts of a state (Scotchland).
>>>>. RH
>>>
>>>So why exactly were you making and issue of the Scottish figure?
>>
>>
>> ROTFL! A Scotch brain unable to understand that a country has to
>>fund itself while a region can be subsidised by another within the
>>country, as happens with England's subsidies to the Celtic Fringe. RH
>> -- Robert Henderson
>> Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
>> Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
>England cannot even pay her own way as she has a Fiscal Deficit of
>around £42 Billion pounds.
>Explain how England can be subsidising anyone when the United Kingdom
>Government publishes no direct figures for England and it is the UK
>government that pays funding for the UK countries but there are no
>figures for England.
>You have been making these daft claims for many years - they have
>convinced no one - are you, perhaps, attempting to convince yourself?
"Sigh. The senile patient's in the grip of his usual delusion, doctor."
Robert Henderson
<peff...@btinternet.com> writes
Status quo. RH
GM
> In message <Pjmd5ItCgC0HF...@indaal.demon.co.uk>, Malcolm
> <Malc...@indaal.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>
>
> >>uk> writes
> >>>>>So what age were you when you "retired", Rabbie, and how long ago
> >>>>>was it?
>
> >>>>I shall not pander to your ignorance of retirement ages. RH
>
> >>>Of course you won't, because you retired early, didn't you?
>
> >>>Now, having dodged answering my first question, what about answering
> >>>my second?
>
> >>Status quo. RH
>
> >Yes, I know it is your status quo not to answer questions. In this
> >instance, you obviously daren't reveal the facts I've asked for.
>
> >--
>
> Status quo. RH
>
GMc
GM
> In message <FPqdnSltHo4Yz03anZ2dnUVZ8smgn...@bt.com>, Robert Peffers
> <peffer...@btinternet.com> writes
>
> >"Robert Henderson" <phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:HxPR5MMy...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> >><p...@thersgb.net> writes
> >>> idle layabout.
>
> >> You have yourself to a tee. RH
> >> -- Robert Henderson
> >> Blair Scandal website:http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> >> Personal website:http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
> >No, Old Dear! The description was of you.
>
> Status quo. RH
You've suurendered twice in the same thread Rabbie.
GMc
Robert Henderson
>>>>uk> writes
>>>>>>>So what age were you when you "retired", Rabbie, and how long ago
>>>>>>>was it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I shall not pander to your ignorance of retirement ages. RH
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course you won't, because you retired early, didn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, having dodged answering my first question, what about
>>>>>answering my second?
>>>>
>>>>Status quo. RH
>>>
>>>Yes, I know it is your status quo not to answer questions. In this
>>>instance, you obviously daren't reveal the facts I've asked for.
>>>
>>>--
>>Status quo. RH
>>
>facts I have asked you for.
Robert Henderson
<96342c1d-86d0-4fcc...@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, GM
<g-...@hotmail.co.uk> writes
--
Robert Henderson