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Jim Peninno's Dilemma: Confusing Partial Pressure with Vapor Pressure
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James McGinn
Jan 19, 2017, 1:40:47 PM1/19/17
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On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:04:22 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-8, Jim Peninno wrote:
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
All of the moisture in the atmosphere is liquid. Our planet is too cool to
support existence of gaseous H2O.
Jim Peninno:
Obviously, this is the crux of your misunderstanding, James.
Poor Dumb Sam:
He doesn't seem to understand the concept of partial pressure.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Many are confused by this, not me.
Jim Peninno:
You mean the entire world has been confused for hundreds of years until you
alone received a blinding flash of insight?
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
How many times have you responded with this kind of political and
scientifically non-substantive banter?
Jim Peninno:
Yes. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of partial pressure, where
the different gases in a mixture behave independently of each other. So
water is perfectly happy to be a gas at 20 C as long as its partial pressure
is less than 0.34 psi. If you try to increase the partial pressure of water
vapor above that. it will condense into liquid. Similarly, in a partial
vacuum, the boiling point of water at 0.34 psi is 20 C, not 100 C. The
boiling point of a liquid is when the partial pressure of the liquid (when
it's a gas) equals the total pressure.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
You appear to be using the concept of partial pressure interchangeably with
the concept of vapor pressure. But I'm not a mind reader. I can't figure
out your point. Sorry.
Jim Peninno:
If you didn't find the above, coherent, then I would suggest you start with
remedial English courses and a good dictionary.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Well, then maybe you could explain how 0.34 PSI is relevant. Because I can't
figure it out.
Jim Peninno:
That is because you are a raving kook in dire need of the help of a mental
health professional and also illustrates you have the further delusion that
the subject of water and it's phases.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Why come to a discussion group if you are unable to discuss?
Jim Peninno:
I'm here mostly for the k00kwatching, not to prove anything
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Don't get mad at me,
Jim Peninno:
The only one getting mad is you because your delusions are being challenged,
everyone else is laughing.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Do you think if you actually had a dispute you wouldn't be so frustrated?
Jim Peninno:
Science isn't a dispute and what in the world would I be frustrated over as
your nonsense is quite comical.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
So, your mad because I don't believe what you believe?
Jim Peninno:
The only one mad is you because your delusions are being challenged with
facts, everyone else is laughing at your nonsense.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Hmm. Well, it's hard for me to picture you laughing right now.
Jim Peninno:
You don't understand what the term boiling point means.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Hmm. Maybe you can explain it to us. You can start by explaining what the
word "point" means to you. If nothing else I'm sure your response will be
very entertaining.
Jim Peninno:
Sure, I would be glad to enlighten you as to the definition of boiling
point.
The boiling point of a substance is the temperature at which the vapor
pressure of the liquid equals the pressure surrounding the liquid and the
liquid changes into a vapor.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
I don't see the words gas or gaseous in your definition.
Jim Peninno:
In physics, the word "vapor" means the same thing as "gas"; you are
displaying your lack of physics knowledge.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Really? In physics? Tell me more.
Jim Peninno:
It is a result of being eductated and able to read a physics text.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
You also haven't provided any specific examples.
Jim Peninno:
If one understands the physics no specific example is required.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Well, alrighty then . . .
Thank you for your participation.
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
Check this out:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16462
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-8, Jim Peninno wrote:
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
All of the moisture in the atmosphere is liquid. Our planet is too cool to
support existence of gaseous H2O.
Jim Peninno:
Obviously, this is the crux of your misunderstanding, James.
Poor Dumb Sam:
He doesn't seem to understand the concept of partial pressure.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Many are confused by this, not me.
Jim Peninno:
You mean the entire world has been confused for hundreds of years until you
alone received a blinding flash of insight?
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
How many times have you responded with this kind of political and
scientifically non-substantive banter?
Jim Peninno:
Yes. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of partial pressure, where
the different gases in a mixture behave independently of each other. So
water is perfectly happy to be a gas at 20 C as long as its partial pressure
is less than 0.34 psi. If you try to increase the partial pressure of water
vapor above that. it will condense into liquid. Similarly, in a partial
vacuum, the boiling point of water at 0.34 psi is 20 C, not 100 C. The
boiling point of a liquid is when the partial pressure of the liquid (when
it's a gas) equals the total pressure.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
You appear to be using the concept of partial pressure interchangeably with
the concept of vapor pressure. But I'm not a mind reader. I can't figure
out your point. Sorry.
Jim Peninno:
If you didn't find the above, coherent, then I would suggest you start with
remedial English courses and a good dictionary.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Well, then maybe you could explain how 0.34 PSI is relevant. Because I can't
figure it out.
Jim Peninno:
That is because you are a raving kook in dire need of the help of a mental
health professional and also illustrates you have the further delusion that
the subject of water and it's phases.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Why come to a discussion group if you are unable to discuss?
Jim Peninno:
I'm here mostly for the k00kwatching, not to prove anything
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Don't get mad at me,
Jim Peninno:
The only one getting mad is you because your delusions are being challenged,
everyone else is laughing.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Do you think if you actually had a dispute you wouldn't be so frustrated?
Jim Peninno:
Science isn't a dispute and what in the world would I be frustrated over as
your nonsense is quite comical.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
So, your mad because I don't believe what you believe?
Jim Peninno:
The only one mad is you because your delusions are being challenged with
facts, everyone else is laughing at your nonsense.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Hmm. Well, it's hard for me to picture you laughing right now.
Jim Peninno:
You don't understand what the term boiling point means.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Hmm. Maybe you can explain it to us. You can start by explaining what the
word "point" means to you. If nothing else I'm sure your response will be
very entertaining.
Jim Peninno:
Sure, I would be glad to enlighten you as to the definition of boiling
point.
The boiling point of a substance is the temperature at which the vapor
pressure of the liquid equals the pressure surrounding the liquid and the
liquid changes into a vapor.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
I don't see the words gas or gaseous in your definition.
Jim Peninno:
In physics, the word "vapor" means the same thing as "gas"; you are
displaying your lack of physics knowledge.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Really? In physics? Tell me more.
Jim Peninno:
It is a result of being eductated and able to read a physics text.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
You also haven't provided any specific examples.
Jim Peninno:
If one understands the physics no specific example is required.
James McGinn of Solving Tornadoes:
Well, alrighty then . . .
Thank you for your participation.
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
Check this out:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16462
Claudius Denk
Jan 20, 2017, 11:40:35 AM1/20/17
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The reason he doesn't have a argument or even a point is because he is
educated.
This is the world we live in, folks. The sad truth is that science is dictated
by a consensus of fools who genuinely believe that science is a faith based
system. Education should never be used as an excuse not to think--never.
CD
James McGinn
Jan 20, 2017, 10:35:01 PM1/20/17
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being wrong than it is to envision all of human history being wrong.
I have not the slightest problem at all envisioning all of human history
being wrong.
Claudius Denk
Jan 21, 2017, 12:44:59 PM1/21/17
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And they have no qualms admitting this in a public forum.
James McGinn
Jan 21, 2017, 4:36:12 PM1/21/17
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order to maintain the sanctity of their dimwitted beliefs. Look at Ed. Do you really think he is dumb enough to believe that Dalton's Law is applicable to H2O Vapor (H2O[l]? Of course not (Chan too). Dalton's Law is just his way to obscure the issue so that his sense of certainty is restored.
Facts are irrelevant to true believers.
James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16594#p117169
Claudius Denk
Jan 22, 2017, 4:21:57 PM1/22/17
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On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 1:36:12 PM UTC-8, James McGinn wrote:
> Church ladies have no problem martyring their own intellectual reputation in
> order to maintain the sanctity of their dimwitted beliefs. Look at Ed. Do you
really think he is dumb enough to believe that Dalton's Law is applicable to H2O
Vapor (H2O[l]? Of course not (Chan too). Dalton's Law is just his way to obscure the
issue so that his sense of certainty is restored.
>
> Facts are irrelevant to true believers.
>
> James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
>
> Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science
> http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16594#p117169
Have you notices how often these pretenders will refer to their own education as
> Church ladies have no problem martyring their own intellectual reputation in
> order to maintain the sanctity of their dimwitted beliefs. Look at Ed. Do you
really think he is dumb enough to believe that Dalton's Law is applicable to H2O
Vapor (H2O[l]? Of course not (Chan too). Dalton's Law is just his way to obscure the
issue so that his sense of certainty is restored.
>
> Facts are irrelevant to true believers.
>
> James McGinn / Solving Tornadoes
>
> Meteorology is a Cargo Cult Science
> http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=16594#p117169
evidence that substantiates their beliefs?
James McGinn
Jan 22, 2017, 7:22:45 PM1/22/17
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noTthaTguY
Jan 22, 2017, 8:40:56 PM1/22/17
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there isn't any difference, since the latter only depends
upon hte presence of some liquid surface;
it's just part of what makes-up the partial pressure of water,
on a planet covered ~three quarters by water.
you are just a snotty man. myself, I have no degree, but
I do have dyscoveries in geometry -- which is a quarter
of *mathematica* -- for which I am certainly famous, iff
you take a breather from your trolling to investigate.
it is quite plain, that you have not bothered to learn any
of the elements of ideal gas theory -- may be nothing else,
either, although your English is just fine.
upon hte presence of some liquid surface;
it's just part of what makes-up the partial pressure of water,
on a planet covered ~three quarters by water.
you are just a snotty man. myself, I have no degree, but
I do have dyscoveries in geometry -- which is a quarter
of *mathematica* -- for which I am certainly famous, iff
you take a breather from your trolling to investigate.
it is quite plain, that you have not bothered to learn any
of the elements of ideal gas theory -- may be nothing else,
either, although your English is just fine.
noTthaTguY
Jan 22, 2017, 8:50:02 PM1/22/17
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all that you have to do, is to show that
tempreature of boiling is strictly dependent upon airpressure,
hence altitude and partial pressure of the liquid in air.
tons of g00d texts will do that, if you can read,
and not type for a while
if you can prefine your terms a little,
you will be able to do it, then
tempreature of boiling is strictly dependent upon airpressure,
hence altitude and partial pressure of the liquid in air.
tons of g00d texts will do that, if you can read,
and not type for a while
if you can prefine your terms a little,
you will be able to do it, then
James McGinn
Jan 22, 2017, 9:39:54 PM1/22/17
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On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 5:40:56 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote:
it is quite plain, that you have not bothered to learn
So, you think you are smarter than me?
it is quite plain, that you have not bothered to learn
James McGinn
Jan 22, 2017, 9:45:02 PM1/22/17
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On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 5:50:02 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote:
> tons of g00d texts will do that,
Maybe someday, somebody, somewhere, possibly somebody on a different planet will find it.
> tons of g00d texts will do that,
Until then its just spiritualism.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
noTthaTguY
Jan 22, 2017, 10:19:46 PM1/22/17
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how did you concieve that boiling is inependent of atmospheres
of pressure?
of pressure?
Claudius Denk
Jan 23, 2017, 12:15:57 AM1/23/17
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On Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 7:19:46 PM UTC-8, noTthaTguY wrote:
> how did you concieve that boiling is inependent of atmospheres
> of pressure?
Leave me out of your imagination.
> how did you concieve that boiling is inependent of atmospheres
> of pressure?
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The senile spammer posted:
Final proof the spamming ass hole has lost it and gone senile.
I thought he was about over the edge when he couldn't tell the
difference between marine biology and physics, but this clinches it.
--
Jim Pennino
> On Monday, March 12, 2018 at 6:20:47 PM UTC-5, James McGinn wrote:
An edited 2 year old McGinn babble without any comment what so ever.
Final proof the spamming ass hole has lost it and gone senile.
I thought he was about over the edge when he couldn't tell the
difference between marine biology and physics, but this clinches it.
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