Dr. Chung FAQ, Issue 3.70
A. B. Chung FAQ
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| The Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD FAQ |
| Version 3.70, March, 2004 |
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Introduction
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New people arriving in sci.med.cardiology (s.m.c.) are often puzzled
and troubled by the vitriol directed at Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
(Dr. Chung) and want to better understand the reasons for the hatred
that some folks have for him. This FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
does provide some truthful answers (there are versions of this FAQ put
out by detractors that are useful only for comparison purposes). All
answers given herein can be independently verified either via Google
or by using the third-party resources at
http://www.heartmdphd.com/profile.asp. This FAQ has been posted in
the past in a manner that permits authentication. The veracity of
both the posting email address and domain name can be independently
confirmed via Google (http://makeashorterlink.com/?G5EF42A77).
The FAQ is arranged in typical FAQ form, i.e. a series of questions
followed by simple answers. For those who don't wish to read the
whole FAQ, the following summary is provided.
Summary
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Dr. Chung is a well-respected licensed cardiologist, who is
board-certified in internal medicine and cardiology (cardiovascular
medicine). In this capacity, he responds truthfully to medical
questions on s.m.c. He does this out of sincere altruism when he has
spare time outside his private cardiology practice, where he sees
patients as a cardiologist. If that was all he were, there would
probably be no controversy.
The controversy arises from Dr. Chung being Christian, in particular:
o He continues to publicly profess that Christ is his Lord and Savior.
o He freely helps people to lose weight in an altruistic Christian
fashion (http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp).
o When attacked on the above issues, he turns the other cheek in a
Christian manner.
o When challenged about his faith in Christ, he witnesses steadfastly
without hatred (http://makeashorterlink.com/?A5B9214A7).
o When insulted for his faith in Christ, he openly calls it a
blessing.
o He remains truthful, as a servant of Christ, despite being libeled
and defamed (http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp).
o Other Christians have affirmed Dr. Chung's strong faith in Christ.
The above lists only the highlights of Dr. Chung's Christian behavior
on s.m.c. If anything, it understates it. Everything can be verified
in the Google archives. He witnesses to all at
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp.
People arrive in this group looking for help. Dr. Chung has
graciously provided this over several years
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?H10A13167). Dr. Chung consistently
demonstrates the breadth of his knowledge and experience. This is
archived many times over in Google.
List of Questions Answered
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1. Who is Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD?
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the Charter?
4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature.
6. But I'm a Christian Too!
7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical
information out of the goodness of his heart?
9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend on Usenet?
10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who
challenge Dr. Chung?
12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
14. What is the Two Pound Diet?
15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
16. Who is Mu?
17. What is Mu's role?
18. Who is Steve?
19. What is Steve's role?
20. Who is Bob?
21. What is Bob's role?
22. Who is Stephen?
23. What is Stephen's role?
24. Is this spam?
25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as some allege?
27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as some
allege?
1. Who is Dr. Andrew B Chung, MD/PhD?
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Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD is a licensed doubly board-certified
cardiologist practicing cardiovascular medicine in Atlanta, Georgia,
USA. His signature contains a link to http://www.heartmdphd.com,
which is consistent with his posts and qualifications.
2. What is the Charter of s.m.c.?
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The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
communication between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
(ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology)
3. Aren't Christian discussions covered by the charter?
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They are if these discussions represent "communication between health
care providers, scientists and other individuals with interest in the
cardiovascular field." It should be noted that Christ remains a
healthcare provider (http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp), who has
demonstrated an interest in the cardiovascular field when He
"resuscitated" Lazarus.
4. So Dr. Chung is Christian... What's the problem with that?
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Some people are fiercely anti-christian.
5. But it's just a little "tag line" in his signature, isn't it?
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Yes it is. But it offends those who are anti-christian.
6. But I'm a Christian too! Should I worry?
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No. You have Christ's promise of eternal life and the unimaginable
riches of God's kingdom.
7. Well, why not just ignore his Christian nature?
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Anti-christians are unable to do that.
8. But isn't it wonderful that Dr. Chung offers this free medical
information out of the goodness of his heart?
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God is wonderful.
9. How does a cardiologist have so much time to spend on Usenet?
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God makes time for those whom He blesses.
10. Won't challenging Dr. Chung drive people away?
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Do not concern yourself with the free will of others.
11. Doesn't the "fault" for all those posts lay with those who
challenge Dr. Chung?
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God uses anti-christians for His purposes. These posts are according
to His will.
12. Why do I see so many "ad hominem" attacks?
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This is how anti-christian folks are identified so they can be culled
from His flock.
13. I'm sick of seeing all this!
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Not really a question unless you ask yourself "why?"
14. What is the Two Pound Diet (TPD) approach?
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See: http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp
15. Is discussion of the Two Pound Diet "on topic"?
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Yes. It cures metabolic syndrome (MetS) which is a condition that
leads to higher rates of cardiovascular morbidity and mortality.
16. Who is Mu?
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A Christian (http://makeashorterlink.com/?S5A631E57).
17. What is Mu's role?
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To serve God's will and purpose.
18. Who is Steve?
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An anti-christian (http://makeashorterlink.com/?A20055A37). He
authors the untrue versions of this FAQ
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?S10252097).
19. What is Steve's role?
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To serve God's will and purpose.
20. Who is Bob?
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A food worshipper (http://makeashorterlink.com/?T48662E57). He is
obsessively drawn to the 2PD approach
(http://www.heartmdphd.com/libel.asp). He is also obsessed with this
FAQ (http://makeashorterlink.com/?R2C134097) and can be seen writing
to himself about it.
21. What is Bob's role?
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To serve God's will and purpose.
22. Who is Stephen?
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An anti-christian Jew who believes that "Jesus is no more the Messiah
than Elvis Presley" (http://makeashorterlink.com/?J1B623B67). He is so
taken with Dr. Chung's Christian beliefs that he is now a cyberstalker
(http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y25611B67) by his own admitted actions.
In his continued cyberstalking of Dr. Chung, he has learned that Dr.
Chung has a long history of reporting those who would willfully
trespass against others (http://makeashorterlink.com/?V28141097). A
few words to the wise can be found at
http://www.heartmdphd.com/stalking.asp in this regard.
23. What is Stephen's role?
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To serve God's will and purpose.
24. Is this spam?
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No, this is a FAQ.
25. Who is the author of this FAQ?
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There are multiple contributors and they choose to remain anonymous
although they respect Dr. Chung's choice not to be anonymous.
26. Do Dr. Chung's posts fit the definition of "spam" as some allege?
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No. Spam on Usenet are stand-alone advertisements and not unique
responses to the posts of others.
27. Are Mu, John, CarolT, and Dr. Chung the same person as some
allege?
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No. Mu, John, CarolT, and Andrew are 4 distinctly different Christian
individuals.
Comments and/or corrections to this FAQ will be taken under advisement
via comm...@faqbot.net.
Stephen Nagler
smn
liam
> You poor guy.
??
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > You poor guy.
>
> ??
In a word: obsession.
The poor guy remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.
May he someday accept Christ as his Lord and Savior so that his
obsessions might be eventually cured.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1F522557
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2DB148A7
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
Bob (this one)
> liam wrote:
>
>>>You poor guy.
>>
>>??
>
> In a word: obsession.
The obsession appears to be Chung's, Liam. Who else but an obsessed
fraud would be so eager and willing to protest his victimized
innocence and proclaim his moral superiority so often and so
transparently?
Chung's medical advice and treatment suggestions notwithstanding, his
rather phenomenal vanity (all the while describing himself to be
humble) demands his relentless posturing. His demonstrated dishonesty
and his constant desire for "victory" when confronting even the most
trivial disagreement makes him post whatever he thinks will gain him
the "win." He has posted statements that are wrong-headed enough to
cause questions about his mental stability. Google his comments about
"potatoes" "calories in 2 pounds" to see him at his baffling worst. He
posted a mistaken number that's utterly off the mark and has
stubbornly insisted it's a good way to look at it. He's obsessed with
never appearing to make a mistake. ONe time he asserted that I'd never
posted anything biblical. When I showed him that I had, and not only
that, but that I'd posted it in rely to him, he said he hadn't noticed
it and that I didn't start the thread. Trying to weasel his way out of
the responsibility for having made a trivial error. Even something
that small causes him to bluster and waffle. All the while posting his
cryptic non sequiturs about dishonest people being unable to answer
yes-no questions and dishonest people never answering direct
questions... Obsessed with his never being wrong about anything. Ever.
Period.
So, Poor Guy fits all too well.
And it's a pity to waste all those years of study and all those
potential good things he could do. But, as he likes to say, he has
free will. And for him to have chosen a dark path is his own choice.
Bob
terr...@know.spam.mam
wrote:
>You poor guy.
>
>smn
Poor Stephen.
Terri
Carol T
"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to have
chosen a dark path is his own choice."
What of your own potential?
"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of
life." NKJ John 8:12
Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use God's Word as
the oil in your lamp and let your own light shine brightly for the
good of all others. I pray this for you.
Carol T
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." KJ Gen 1:3
Matti Narkia
<9bff2a56.04032...@posting.google.com> cteas...@hotmail.com
(Carol T) wrote:
>"Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<105ufst...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to have
>chosen a dark path is his own choice."
>
>
>What of your own potential?
>
>"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world.
>He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of
>life." NKJ John 8:12
>
>Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use God's Word as
>the oil in your lamp and let your own light shine brightly for the
>good of all others. I pray this for you.
>
Carol T, your post violates this group's charter. Please read the charter
for example from
ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announce.newgroups/sci/sci.med.cardiology
"CHARTER, as submitted by the proponent
The purpose of this newsgroup is to establish electronic media for
communication between health care providers, scientists and other
individuals with interest in the cardiovascular field. Such
communications will provide quick and efficacious means to exchange
information and knowledge, and offer problems to solutions.
The sci.med.cardiology newsgroup will welcome participants who are
health care providers, trainees, researchers, students or recipients
with interest in the field of cardiovascular problems."
Follow-ups set appropriately.
--
Matti Narkia
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Amen.
May God continue to bless you and yours in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob (this one)
Matti, apologies for changing the reply to settings. This will be the
last of its kind.
> 24 Mar 2004 04:36:38 -0800 in article
> <9bff2a56.04032...@posting.google.com> cteas...@hotmail.com
> (Carol T) wrote:
>
>>"Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<105ufst...@corp.supernews.com>...
>>
>>"But, as he likes to say, he has free will. And for him to have
>>chosen a dark path is his own choice."
>>
>>What of your own potential?
Bullshit non sequitur, as usual.
>>"Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world.
>>He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of
>>life." NKJ John 8:12
>>
>>Come out of the dark night into the day light Bob, use God's Word as
>>the oil in your lamp and let your own light shine brightly for the
>>good of all others. I pray this for you.
Carol, the only reason I saw this post from you is because it was
quoted. You are in my killfile and will stay there. You are a
sanctimonious lightweight, devoid of ethical and moral righteousness.
That you presume to lecture people on how to live while ignoring the
vile and vindictive actions of your fellow "cardboard christians"
speaks all the volumes necessary.
You confuse florid flights of nonsense analogies, metaphors and
similes with content. You confuse sheer volume with communication. You
confuse your religious frenzy with reality.
As long as you blather your nonsense at Chung's targets and not Chung,
you have no moral standing; you have no intellectual standing. Chung
congratulates you for your stands when what he's really doing is
smugly sitting on the sidelines while you offer support to his
corruption. You demonstrate the very worst in "christian" behavior.
You show the benchmark in self-absorbed, true-believer, fanatical
relentlessness. You can't even imagine that you're doing damage rather
than good. You can't imagine anything but what you rigidly believe.
Sad, really. As though what you believe has any reality for anyone but
you.
Bob
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to solutions.<<<<<<<
And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when the
solutions have caused problems :o)
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and
knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20
Carol T
Matti Narkia
Follow-ups returned to the proper group.
--
Matti Narkia
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
And this is the most likely explanation for why Matti is so fearful.
Wonder what is in Matti's heart.
Poor guy.
He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob (this one)
> Carol T wrote:
>
>>Matti Narkia <mn...@despammed.com> wrote in message news:<vd2360p8knf5320go...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and offer problems to solutions.<<<<<<<
>>
>>And that's where God steps in, He picks up the pieces when the
>>solutions have caused problems :o)
>>
>>"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and
>>knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20
>>
> And this is the most likely explanation for why Matti is so fearful.
And posts like this are why Chung is a full-scale mountebank. And it
also shows how Chung uses the delightfully airheaded if not very
bright Carol to further his insane agenda of asserting his superiority
while all the while denying the intent. Chung is a liar, a fraud, a
quack and a charlatan who will swear to anything, no matter how phony,
to conquer what he sees as his adversaries, even to swearing out false
complaints with civil and professional authorities.
> Wonder what is in Matti's heart.
Likely, a clearly demonstrated desire to be constructive and helpful
by offering information arrived at by intelligent science rather than
the baseless opinions of the gullible Chung who believes there was
actually a full-on global flood, proof be damned.
And it's also easy to say that Matti's heart doesn't bear the smug,
vindictive malice that's in Chung's. Any more questions...?
Bob
Stephen Nagler
wrote:
>Any more questions...?
..............
Yes.
Why was Dr. Chung's contract at a Florida cardiology clinic terminated
*for cause* after less than four months of employment?
smn
Bob (this one)
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:36 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Any more questions...?
> Yes.
>
> Why was Dr. Chung's contract at a Florida cardiology clinic terminated
> *for cause* after less than four months of employment?
Isn't there supposed to be music playing while I consider the answer...?
Could it be for substandard care?
Did I win?
Bob
Stephen Nagler
wrote:
>Isn't there supposed to be music playing while I consider the answer...?
..............
"Taps" perhaps?
................
>
>Could it be for substandard care?
...............
Repeated substandard care is certainly one reason a doctor would be
fired *for cause*.
Immoral or unethical behavior is another.
Poor medical judgement, inability to accept constructive criticism,
and harassment/abuse of staff are also reasons.
Being fired *for cause* is a big big deal.
Of course, the doctor who is fired does have legal recourse.
Dr. Chung, as you would expect, availed himself of that option. He
sought arbitration.
Andrew, care to tell us how the arbitration went? Seems that Jesus
turned His back on you that day, huh?
.................
>
>Did I win?
................
Well, you're doing a whole lot better than those who would blindly
take the medical advice of a doctor who gets fired for cause, lies
about his credentials, and files false police reports. That's for
sure.
smn
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>> while ignoring the
> vile and vindictive actions of your fellow "cardboard christians"
> speaks all the volumes necessary. [snip]
>
You demonstrate the very worst in "christian" behavior. <<<<<<<<<
Oh dear Bob, on which of God's scales do you measure Christian
behaviour? What do you want me to say? I love and know God!
"If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar;
for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love
God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that
he who loves God must love his brother also. " NKJ 1John 4:20
How does a man know God's measures of Christian behaviours unless he
knows God also?
X
Carol T
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Well written, Carol :-)
May God continue to bless you and yours, today and everyday, in Christ's name :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Stephen Nagler
>You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
>reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>
>Anyone care to comment?
....................
All you need to do is give *yourself* a reason to believe (or not
believe) what is written in the Bible. Why should you have to give
somebody *else* a reason - or for that matter why should somebody else
have to give *you* a reason?
Religion should be between Man and God; not between Man and Man.
smn
John
><snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
>
>There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental illness."
>
>The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
Yes, by far the highest number of murders committed by organized
groups of people have been done in the name of the "religion" of
atheism -- in the 20th century, primarily by the Red Chinese, the
Soviet Russians, and the Nazi Germans, all fundamentally atheists.
The religious wars you are thinking of were awful, yes, but trivial in
comparison.
>You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
>reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>
>Anyone care to comment?
Why not believe what is written in the Bible? You obviously believe a
lot of stuff that is patently false (such as your statement above).
Why not try believing something that is true?
For me, it is much more sure of a sure thing that God exists than that
I know **for sure** the identity of my own father....and I know at
least as much about my parents as anyone else does. But I wasn't
present in a knowledgeable way at my conception. So I can't really
know absolutely **for sure**. My parents (and all of their
generation) are now long gone so I can't question them (or DNA test
them). Nevertheless, I am perfectly satisfied to live my life on the
assumption that the name on my birth certificate is not a lie. I am
even more perfectly satisfied to believe that God exists (and all the
rest of the Christian faith).
If you were honest about it, you would admit that much of your own
life is based on assumptions and axioms, things that you accept
without proof, without knowing **for sure**.
John
Bob (this one)
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:38:19 GMT, "Smoke" <sm...@fire.com> wrote:
>
>><snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental illness."
>>
>>The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
>
> Yes, by far the highest number of murders committed by organized
> groups of people have been done in the name of the "religion" of
> atheism
When the only thing you know how to work is a hammer, everything looks
like a nail. Poor, lightweight "John" can only see the world in terms
of "religions" and doesn't understand that many large-scale belief
systems are just not religions. Like Chung's crippled efforts to make
Buddhism into a worship of the Buddha. Like calling atheism a "religion."
Sappy "John" fails to grasp the notion that it doesn't matter what
others do or don't do when evaluating any one person's behavior.
Simple "John" has made the amazing logical leap from "destructive
force" to limiting it to "murders."
> -- in the 20th century, primarily by the Red Chinese, the
> Soviet Russians, and the Nazi Germans, all fundamentally atheists.
> The religious wars you are thinking of were awful, yes, but trivial in
> comparison.
Like Stalin said, "One death is a tragedy. A million is a statistic."
And note, simple homebody "John" thinks that only the 20th century
counts. Human history is laden with religious disputes through the
centuries. Lots of them in the bible. Might want to read it. And some
other history books.
>>You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
>>reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>>
>>Anyone care to comment?
>
> Why not believe what is written in the Bible?
<LOLOLOL> Why not believe in life on Jupiter? What an amazingly
obtuse answer, "John." As though faith is just one step up from what
to have for dinner, and just as important. A casual thing that one
just throws on the desk.
> You obviously believe a
> lot of stuff that is patently false (such as your statement above).
> Why not try believing something that is true?
Oh, look. "John" perfectly illustrates a tautology. Using that which
was to be proved as part of the proof. Good old engineering logic.
Notice how "John" actually believes that he has disproved anything?
See how he distorts and interprets and then, having created a straw
man successfully rebuts points never made. A mental giant...
> For me, it is much more sure of a sure thing that God exists than that
> I know **for sure** the identity of my own father....
This is called faith, "John." Belief in the absence of proof. That's
all that can be argued at this point. You believe this. Period. No
proof. No support. It's merely what you believe.
> and I know at
> least as much about my parents as anyone else does. But I wasn't
> present in a knowledgeable way at my conception. So I can't really
> know absolutely **for sure**. My parents (and all of their
> generation) are now long gone so I can't question them (or DNA test
> them). Nevertheless, I am perfectly satisfied to live my life on the
> assumption that the name on my birth certificate is not a lie. I am
> even more perfectly satisfied to believe that God exists (and all the
> rest of the Christian faith).
Operant word - believe.
> If you were honest about it, you would admit that much of your own
> life is based on assumptions and axioms, things that you accept
> without proof, without knowing **for sure**.
Stop the presses. "John" has discovered something that's only
perfectly obvious. Of course all humans act on assumptions. The
important notion that simply get past our resident wizard is that the
axioms have to have a basis in some external information. Whether a
trusted authority suggests it, or experience supports it or some other
way it's arrived at that makes some sense to the actor.
Poor "John."
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> <snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
>
> There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental illness."
>
> The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
>
> reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>
> Anyone care to comment?
Yes.
http://www.heartmdphd.com/healer.asp
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Stephen Nagler
>Impossible, at least without an intermediator.
..................
Fact or belief, Smoke?
smn
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should you have to give
> somebody *else* a reason - or for that matter why should somebody else
> have to give *you* a reason?<<<<<<<<<<
For love of you and your need you have been given a gift to pass on to
others.
"Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will
give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a
serpent? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your
children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good
things to those who ask Him! Therefore, whatever you want men to do to
you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets. " Matthew
7:9-12
>>>>>> Religion should be between Man and God; not between Man and
Man.<<<<<<
Which God are you talking of, surely not the one Moses evangelised
about or written about in YISHEYAH, (the Book of Isaiah)?
Hear these beautiful Words....
"You are wearied in the length of your way; Yet you did not say,
'There is no hope.' You have found the life of your hand; Therefore
you were not grieved.
"And of whom have you been afraid, or feared, That you have lied And
not remembered Me, Nor taken it to your heart? Is it not because I
have held My peace from of old That you do not fear Me? I will declare
your righteousness And your works, For they will not profit you. When
you cry out, Let your collection of idols deliver you. But the wind
will carry them all away, A breath will take them. But he who puts his
trust in Me shall possess the land, And shall inherit My holy
mountain." And one shall say, "Heap it up! Heap it up! Prepare the
way, Take the stumbling block out of the way of My people." For thus
says the High and Lofty One Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
"I dwell in the high and holy place, With him who has a contrite and
humble spirit, To revive the spirit of the humble, And to revive the
heart of the contrite ones. " NKJ Isa 57:15
Sin is man's stumbling block and God gave Jesus, His Son, to deal with
this and pave a way for peace. God is allowed to be jealous of sharing
you with others, not the other way round. He tells you what he wants
from your partnership with Him through His Word.
Profound love is not quite, and this is why you have your Lord to
speak of today.
If you teach your son to stand strong in his faith and be like Jesus
he will have reason to be proud of his roots, not shame to be silent
of God. He will teach others of God's greatness and through His
greatness will come peace and healing for many, many people. He will
save lives and people will seek him out. He will not know the fears
you have known and no man will hurt him with any form of the devil's
swords. This is a great destiny for him, where ever he choses his life
to go.
Carol T
Carol T
> Stop the presses. "John" has discovered something that's only
> perfectly obvious. <<<
Dear Bob,
Why don't you let go of all that crossness and cynicism directed at
us? Jesus hasn't let you down; He hasn't left your side because He
loves you. You cannot hurt others whilst we know this because we see
it. You only hurt those whom you cannot bring love to yourself in
God's way. Who wants to live in a world of despairing people knowing
that they have yet to know their Saviour, when we can know that their
peace is our joy?
http://www.fishthe.net/John316/
There is grace enough for you, you have no sin that He cannot carry on
His cross for you.
{{{{hugs}}}}
Carol T
Stephen Nagler
>Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com> wrote in message news:<9ft660drb413je5iu...@4ax.com>...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should you have to give
>> somebody *else* a reason - or for that matter why should somebody else
>> have to give *you* a reason?<<<<<<<<<<
>
>For love of you and your need you have been given a gift to pass on to
>others.
..............
I don't need your gift.
I don't want your gift.
smn
list...@nospam.net
><snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
>
>There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental illness."
>
>The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
>
>You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
>reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>
>Anyone care to comment?
>
>Smoke
Why? And what's a post like this doing in a cardiology newsgroup?
Wouldn't it be better served in a religion or mental illness ng?
L.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Nice link, Carol.
Thanks :-)
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It does sound like Smoke may be suffering from an obsessive compulsive disorder.
Poor guy.
He remains in my prayers.
list...@nospam.net
>
><list...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:ijp86015f7ehl19ug...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:38:19 GMT, "Smoke" <sm...@fire.com> wrote:
>>
>> ><snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
>> >
>> >There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental
>illness."
>> >
>> >The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
>> >
>> >You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
>> >reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
>> >
>> >Anyone care to comment?
>> >
>> >Smoke
>>
>> Why? And what's a post like this doing in a cardiology newsgroup?
>90% + postings here are outside of this NG's charter.
One more "wrong" ain't gonna make it right.
>> Wouldn't it be better served in a religion or mental illness ng?
>Yes,but we have several individuals here that qualify for both.
So what. Still shouldn't be here. But, hey, this isn't a moderated
group, so go knock yourself out.
L.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:406470B4...@heartmdphd.com...
> > list...@nospam.net wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:38:19 GMT, "Smoke" <sm...@fire.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ><snip> Chungs egotistical dribble.
> > > >
> > > >There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental
> illness."
> > > >
> > > >The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
> > > >
> > > >You will never find anybody who can give you a clear and compelling
> > > >reason why we should believe what is written in the bible.
> > > >
> > > >Anyone care to comment?
> > > >
> > > >Smoke
> > >
> > > Why? And what's a post like this doing in a cardiology newsgroup?
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be better served in a religion or mental illness ng?
>
> > >
> > > L.
> >
> > It does sound like Smoke may be suffering from an obsessive compulsive
> disorder.
>
> Based on what?
The content of your post.
Carol T
> On 26 Mar 2004 06:06:34 -0800, cteas...@hotmail.com (Carol T) wrote:
> I don't need your gift.
>
> I don't want your gift.
It's not my gift, Stephen, it's already yours, and it's part of your
heritage. I've only been pointing to it. You have simply been lifting
off the wrappers and revealing a part of what and who you are. It's
not like other gifts, you can't take it back to the shop once you have
seen a little of it.
Jesus did not ask you to contradict your way of life, faith and
earlier learning, only to know God in His way as Moses did.
"You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the
children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself:
I am the Lord." NKJ Lev 19:18 (VAYIKRA)
Jesus said of The Commandments; "And you shall love the Lord your God
with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with
all your strength.' This is the first commandment. And the second,
like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is
no other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:30-31
There's no significance in a grudge against anyone when God is with
you, and when He is with you no one can harm you regardless of what
they throw at you. This is how you rise up and endure all things, with
a love that will hold up a light others will want to follow.
You cannot be who you were, and you cannot stay unwise to God's way,
your mind is too alive for that. Even if I left you now you cannot
give back what you have already received. Nothing I have said will
bring you harm, only nearer to your Saviour.
God bless you and your family.
Carol T.
Carol T
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>uses the delightfully airheaded if not very
> bright Carol to further his insane agenda of asserting his superiority
> while all the while denying the intent.<<<<<<<<<<,
Only Jesus is superior and I don't think that you'll find Andrew
disagreeing with me on that. It is only His agenda I concern myself
with. Jesus loves all people regardless of their intellect or status
in life Bob. You should not allow others to make you feel small; it is
not God's way. God loves you as you are and He has plans for your life
where it is. {{{{huggs}}}}
Carol T
Stephen Nagler
>
>"Stephen Nagler" <nag...@tinn.com> wrote in message
>news:f66860la81ahu8402...@4ax.com...
>Belief.
>>
>> smn
>
........................
See, I can respect that, Smoke.
My issue is when folk like Carol and Chung take their BELIEFS and
inflict them upon the readership here as if they were FACT.
smn
Stephen Nagler
>God bless you and your family.
................
I gratefully accept God's blessing, which is God's to give or not as
He may desire.
But Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with it as far as I am
concerned.
smn
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<1064ifm...@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>uses the delightfully airheaded if not very
> > bright Carol to further his insane agenda of asserting his superiority
> > while all the while denying the intent.<<<<<<<<<<,
>
> Only Jesus is superior and I don't think that you'll find Andrew
> disagreeing with me on that.
The servant is always inferior to his/her master.
> It is only His agenda I concern myself
> with. Jesus loves all people regardless of their intellect or status
> in life Bob. You should not allow others to make you feel small; it is
> not God's way. God loves you as you are and He has plans for your life
> where it is. {{{{huggs}}}}
>
> Carol T
Well said, dear sister.
May God continue to bless you and yours today and everyday, in Christ's
name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Stephen Nagler
(in part):
>Jesus loves all people regardless of their intellect...
.................
Is that your belief or is that a fact?
smn
terr...@know.spam.mam
wrote:
You are an expert at arbitrations, aren't you Stephen having had the
Georgia Medical investigate your activities the conclusion of which
mysteriously coincided with the closing of your clinic, affectionately
know to some on the tinnitus board as the "Little Shop of Horrors"?
I find it interesting that you would engage in such activity when you
criticized those that did the same thing to you. Nagler's personal
credo exemplified again: Do as I say, not as I do.
IMO, of course.
Terri
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You should still pray for him, Terri, in Christ's name. He certainly remains
in my prayers. May he someday stop hating Christ and accept Him as his
personal Lord and Savior.
This reminds me of the story of Apostle Paul's life:
(1) He hated Christ and Christians.
(2) He carried out this hatred by hunting down and murdering Christians.
(3) The people who knew Paul, before Christ changed him, would have
unanimously agreed that not only would Paul have been the very last person in
the world to follow Christ but that he would have been the last person who
Christ would have wanted to follow Him.
Let all those who have eyes... read.
Carol T
Remember what it said in Lev 19:18 (VAYIKRA) "you shall love your
neighbor as yourself" This is a commandment of God. As any man, woman
and child can be, or is, your neighbour then God is commanding you to
love them all regardless of their intellect. God has no reason to ask
you to love someone He does not.
As Jesus is God's son, who lived in His way, then His love for all is
a fact.
We, on the other hand, are humans and humans have a struggle with this
great commandment. Fortunately Jesus gave His life for us. Without
Him, and our love for Him, God has no worthy sacrifice for our sin.
I pray, that non of your neighbours live until the end of their lives
not knowing the fearsome love that can conquer all other fears. Not
knowing that which their forefathers possessed because they have not
found their sacrifice,(which Jesus gave so lovingly) worthy of them.
Carol T
Stephen Nagler
..................
Carol, you said:
"Jesus loves all people regardless of their intellect..."
All I asked you was:
"Is that your belief or is that a fact?"
It's a real simple question, Carol. Please answer it>
a. It is my strong belief that Jesus loves all people regardless of
their intellect
b. It is a fact that Jesus loves all people regardless of their
intellect
Which is it, Carol. a or b?
smn
John
wrote:
>On 1 Apr 2004 06:33:00 -0800, cteas...@hotmail.com (Carol T) wrote:
Steven,
This is not a simple question at all. In "fact", there is an entire
branch of philosophy - epistemology - which attempts to deal with the
nature of knowledge, i.e., what do we know and how do we know it?
John
>a. It is my strong belief that Jesus loves all people regardless of
>their intellect
>
>b. It is a fact that Jesus loves all people regardless of their
>intellect
>
>Which is it, Carol. a or b?
But what if "strong belief" == "fact" (for me - or Carol) ??
>
>smn
Bob (this one)
Nice try, "John." But it's your usual bullshit. There wasn't any
question about the nature of knowledge, merely the exclusivity of
belief versus fact. The premise is that knowledge is a demonstrable
condition without regard to its mechanisms.
>>a. It is my strong belief that Jesus loves all people regardless of
>>their intellect
>>
>>b. It is a fact that Jesus loves all people regardless of their
>>intellect
>>
>>Which is it, Carol. a or b?
>
> But what if "strong belief" == "fact" (for me - or Carol) ??
"John" thinks that strong belief = fact sometimes (for him and Carol)
but not other times (for people who don't accept the belief as fact
because they see no proof). Anybody want to line up with him on this
one? Anybody else think that facts are in the eye of the beholder?
"John" seems unable to grasp the nature of the question and he seems
unable to understand the distinction between faith and fact. Strong
belief is one thing and fact is another. Facts are statements or
conditions that are verifiable as true - they are provable. It's
possible that what you believe is independently verifiable as a fact,
but strength of belief doesn't have the capacity to transform belief
to fact. Belief can't be made into fact by fiat. It has to be
*verifiable* independently of the belief.
Bob
Stephen Nagler
wrote (in part):
>"John" thinks that strong belief = fact sometimes (for him and Carol)
>but not other times (for people who don't accept the belief as fact
>because they see no proof). Anybody want to line up with him on this
>one? Anybody else think that facts are in the eye of the beholder?
...............
Well, regardless of who thinks what, anybody who doesn't know the
difference between "I *believe* with all my heart that there is a
God" and "I *know* for certain that there is a God" is too dumb to
bother with. And *that* is something I *know*.
smn
John
wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:41:44 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
And I don't have time to bother with infinitesimals, which is what the
above difference is for someone that actually has a heart.
John
Bob (this one)
<LOL> Poor "John" thinks he actually said something. What he said
translates into "I have no answer but I'll answer anyway."
So now it's not about how we know what we know, it's whether we know
with our "heart" rather than with our minds. <LOL> Knowledge is an
*emotional* thing for sapwood "John," provable facts be damned.
Way to keep up your end of the conversation you felt the need to
obtrude into. Be sure to put heavy things into your shoes, "John" so
you don't just float away on the tiniest zephyr. <LOL>
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dear John,
There was a time when I *believed* with all my soul that Christ was my
personal Lord and Savior.
Then on 2/3/1997, I suffered a physical death when my body was broken and I
had an out-of-body experience as my soul left my broken body.
As I live and breath today, I now *know* that Christ is my personal Lord
and Savior and my God. It remains my choice to forever serve Him.
May God continue to bless you and yours, brother, in Christ's name.
You remain in my prayers in His name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1F522557
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J2DB148A7
Is this spam?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N69721867
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
Stephen Nagler
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>There was a time when I *believed* with all my soul that Christ was my
>personal Lord and Savior.
..............
I can accept that. I can respect that.
.................
>
>Then on 2/3/1997, I suffered a physical death when my body was broken and I
>had an out-of-body experience as my soul left my broken body.
.................
Perhaps some day it will return.
You poor guy.
smn
Carol T
> Which is it, Carol. a or b?
I said within my post "As Jesus is God's son, who lived in His way,
then His love for all is a fact."
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
NKJ John 3:16
For you, because you want to know your Father's ways, it is a fact.
You have no other way to Him because of your sins.
Jesus did a wonderful thing thing for you personally and God sent Him
to do it.
If there were seven candles in this world, three extinguished each
side of just one shining brightly in the middle, how would the others
become relit if the centre one was the only light left in the world?
God sent you His Son to show you the way back to your faith Stephen,
just as He promised He would. He wants all His candles alight and
shining brightly before all nations.
"bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a
complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also
must do. But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of
perfection. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which
also you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of
Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one
another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in
your hearts to the Lord." NKJ Col 3:13-16
Show your son his Lord Stephen by knowing His ways and his life will
be a shining light to God's ways.
Carol T
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>The obsession appears to be...
Good gracious, what a waste of human talent and time you are,
Pastorio. TROLLING like a psychopath.
Will you EVER grow up?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>And posts like this are why Dr. Chung....
What amazes me is why you go on for months and now years on end making
a fool out of yourself TROLLING cardiology groups.
I would have thought you had enough self-esteem not to do so.
Meet Bob Pastorio.
Bob likes to think he is an upscale, right on kind of guy. But in the
darkness, he would prefer to endanger the lives of cardiac care
patients so he TROLLS sci.med.cardiology dozens of times each day.
Now you know all you need to know about this king-sized egomaniac.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>Andrew, care to tell us how the arbitration went? Seems that Jesus
>turned His back on you that day, huh?
Chung is still in practice.
You're not.
You're just a common TROLL now Nagler, nothing more, nothing less.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
>There is a very fine line between "religious fanatics" and "mental illness."
>
>The most destructive force in the universe is "religion".
>Anyone care to comment?
Cliches are for the inane.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>
>See, I can respect that, Smoke.
>
>My issue is when folk like Carol and Chung take their BELIEFS and
>inflict them upon the readership here as if they were FACT.
What is belief to one may be fact to another. In you're case, there is
no doubt that the fact is you have developed into a worthless shell of
a TROLL. Match that with your pontificating as a Jew on Christianity,
as if you have a clue, now we have the makings of a moron.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>Like Chung's crippled efforts...
Speaking of cripples, the mental kind.....
Meet Bob Pastorio.
Bob likes to think he is an upscale, right on kind of guy. But in the
darkness, he would prefer to endanger the lives of cardiac care
patients so he TROLLS sci.med.cardiology dozens of times each day.
Now you know all you need to know about this king-sized egomaniac.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Poor guy.
He remains in my prayers to God, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Poor guy.
Bob (this one)
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:33:44 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>The obsession appears to be...
>
> Good gracious, what a waste of human talent and time you are,
> Pastorio. TROLLING like a psychopath.
<LOLOL>
Welcome back, lightweight. We saved you a seat. Don't forget to wash
your hands when you're done.
> Will you EVER grow up?
This from a guy who thought it was smart to call himself arete in
French, strutted around proud of his linguistic brilliance, and didn't
know it meant "fishbone." <LOL> Funny thing how he changed it quickly
and has never mentioned it again. Funny thing.
What a wizard you are, Zippy. Love the fright wig and floppy shoes.
It's the accessories that make the outfit, don't you think...?
Just back from another super-secret trip to interrogate Iraqi
prisoners on their dietary habits? Or was it another RV trip with the
missus and the kids to Dollywood, again?
I know I'm disappointed in your return this time. Tsk tsk. Didn't
mention your 2PoundPOWDiet once. I'm sure your vast array of fan (heh
heh) can't wait for you to say all that stuff that he lacks the testes
to say. Brave, brave Mu_cus hiding behind several layers of
concealment. <LOL>
Bob
Matti Narkia
<623g70h62m4ipkpkd...@4ax.com> "Home, Home On The Mu_n"
<homemo...@mail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:36 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>And posts like this are why Dr. Chung....
>
[Mu's crap removed]
Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the trolling
robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble excrement
and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
alt.support.diet.low.carb
Makes sense?
--
Matti Narkia
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Makes sense to me.
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:38:44 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Like Chung's crippled efforts...
>
> Speaking of cripples, the mental kind.....
>
> Meet Bob Pastorio.
>
> Bob likes to think he is an upscale, right on kind of guy. But in the
> darkness, he would prefer to endanger the lives of cardiac care
> patients so he TROLLS sci.med.cardiology dozens of times each day.
>
> Now you know all you need to know about this king-sized egomaniac.
>
Poor guy.
We should continue to pray for him, in Christ's name.
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:f95b9571cf09741a...@news.teranews.com...
> > Matti Narkia wrote:
> >
> > > Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:05:04 -0400 in article
> > > <623g70h62m4ipkpkd...@4ax.com> "Home, Home On The Mu_n"
> > > <homemo...@mail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:54:36 -0500, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>And posts like this are why Dr. Chung....
> > > >
> > > [Mu's crap removed]
> > >
> > > Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the
> trolling
> > > robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble
> excrement
> > > and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
> > >
> > > sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
> > >
> rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
> > > alt.support.diet.low.carb
> > >
> > > Makes sense?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Matti Narkia
> >
> > Makes sense to me.
>
> that's a good boy.
>
> Smoke
I don't have any medications here to take, Smoke.
Would suggest you take your spite elsewhere.
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too will have eternal life and love in your heart.
Christ is risen :-)
Bob (this one)
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 03:33:02 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nag...@tinn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>See, I can respect that, Smoke.
>>
>>My issue is when folk like Carol and Chung take their BELIEFS and
>>inflict them upon the readership here as if they were FACT.
>
> What is belief to one may be fact to another.
Bwahahahahaha. <wipes tears of laughter from eyes>
Carol and Chung "know" that their beliefs are fact. Same people, same
dementia. Not between "one" and "another." Both are afflicted with the
same insanity.
But beyond that, that gem of a sentence is utterly devoid of meaning.
Like usual. Facts aren't subjective; they're independently verifiable
statements. Unlike anything posted by Mu_le.
> now we have the makings of a moron.
As though they're manufactured...
Idiot.
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> in the future.
Don't have any carers.
> Smoke
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
> > now we have the makings of a moron.
>
>As though they're manufactured...
>
>Idiot.
Idiots, like morons, are manufactured, created....call yourself
whatever you have made of yourself, Pastorio. The archives in Google
do not lie about the pathetic mess of a human you have become.
I would say I pity you but I don't. You have carved yourself an
abhorrent niche in life and to think you have no more concern for
cardiac care patients than you do, after they split your own chest
open and God handed you back your life, is one of the most
irresponsible and distorted things I have ever witnessed on Usenet.
You have become a despicable lump of flesh and I tell you this. If it
were not for the fires so much more important than you I have to put
out, I would personally see to it that you never spent another moment
on Usenet.
You have now been warned.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>Just back from another super-secret trip to interrogate Iraqi
>prisoners on their dietary habits?
TROLLING along as pathetically as always, I see. Any reason you always
cut the Xposts to your food buddies across Usenet? Speak to me about
trying to hide, huh?
Super-secret? If you know about them, how secret are they? Not at all.
Good answer, Bobbie.
Imbeciles like you who have utterly no clue about the happenings in
Iraq except what you allow to sink in via CNN into your sponge for a
brain, used to piss me off. No more. The world is full of Pastorios,
lemmings told what to think, what to do, how to react.
You are so mind influenced about this war and you have no idea it is
even happening to you. The Illuminati laugh at you, tweak your head in
more ways than you can imagine, then spit you out like a wad of spent
tobacco.
They especially love self-espoused intellectuals; you are the
distributors of their fodder, their means to move disinformation along
with credibility.
Anything else you wish to blather on about? Take some time off from
making a fool of yourself why don't you? Have at ole Mu here. Give
cardiac care patients a break.
Do you feel the urge to sprint down to ICU and pull out a few
catheters today? Shut off someone's "drip". I wouldn't be surprised
one bit if you did.
Fits your modus operandi as a CARDOILOGY NEWSGROUP TROLL.
Home, Home On The Mu_n
wrote:
>Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the trolling
>robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble excrement
>and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
>
>sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
>rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
>alt.support.diet.low.carb
>
>Makes sense?
Sure does and for the very reasons Pastorio continues to delete the
Xposts. It is embarrassing for him to be called out in front of all
his Usenet connections; to be exposed as the uncaring, selfish cretin
he is.
Damn near dead two months ago and he has the audacity to come back to
a CARDIOLOGY NG when his own life was saved by CARDIOLOGISTS.
You defend that insanity, do you?
Matti Narkia
<vm1m70lqqshocrura...@4ax.com> "Home, Home On The Mu_n"
<homemo...@mail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:41:49 +0300, Matti Narkia <mn...@despammed.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the trolling
>>robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble excrement
>>and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
>>
>>sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
>>rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
>>alt.support.diet.low.carb
>>
>>Makes sense?
>
>Sure does and for the very reasons Pastorio continues to delete the
>Xposts. It is embarrassing for him to be called out in front of all
>his Usenet connections; to be exposed as the uncaring, selfish cretin
>he is.
>
I thought you killfiled me during your last excursion to smc. What's the
matter, you are not man enough to stick to your decision?
>Damn near dead two months ago and he has the audacity to come back to
>a CARDIOLOGY NG when his own life was saved by CARDIOLOGISTS.
>
So? What is your problem? As far as I know Bob has nothing against
cardiology, medical science, or science in general for that matter. As I see
it, he is definitely _for_ science and professionalism. What he is _against_
is quacks, frauds, religious fanatics, who try to take over this _science_
newsgroup, and half-witted usenet trolls like you.
>
>You defend that insanity, do you?
>
What insanity? Yours or Chung's?
--
Matti Narkia
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You poor guy.
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday.
Bob (this one)
> Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:19:57 -0400 in article
> <vm1m70lqqshocrura...@4ax.com> "Home, Home On The Mu_n"
> <homemo...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:41:49 +0300, Matti Narkia <mn...@despammed.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the trolling
>>>robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble excrement
>>>and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
>>>
>>>sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
>>>rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
>>>alt.support.diet.low.carb
>>>
>>>Makes sense?
>>
>>Sure does and for the very reasons Pastorio continues to delete the
>>Xposts. It is embarrassing for him to be called out in front of all
>>his Usenet connections; to be exposed as the uncaring, selfish cretin
>>he is.
<LOL> Right. This shabby coward calls other people names. Hilarious.
I haven't deleted crossposts. The other groups I hang in (fewer than
you crossposted your vomit to, but I can't expect you to know much
about usenet in spite of your boasting to the contrary) know me, and
your ugliness won't much do anything beyond prompting revulsion at
your savagery and illiteracy. Typical response: "Oh, I guess
Pastorio's kicking the guy's ass and the poor slob's desperately
trying to change the subject."
> I thought you killfiled me during your last excursion to smc. What's the
> matter, you are not man enough to stick to your decision?
>
>>Damn near dead two months ago and he has the audacity to come back to
>>a CARDIOLOGY NG when his own life was saved by CARDIOLOGISTS.
<LOL> I dunno, it would seem reasonable to come to a cardiology group
is that were true. But it's not.
What the hell are you talking about? Damn near dead? What mental
aberration prompted that absurdity? <LOL> So poor illiterate
Mu_sclehead not only can't write a coherent thought, he can't read one
either. Or he's just following Chung's lead and lying. Big surprise.
Lessee. Two months ago. That would be February. Couple family
birthdays, trip to New York. Did some work on my garden. Worked out
every other day. Nope. No near death stuff. No health problems. Not
even a cold. Mu_ngbean's information sources aren't very good. But I
bet everyone's shocked.
> So? What is your problem? As far as I know Bob has nothing against
> cardiology, medical science, or science in general for that matter. As I see
> it, he is definitely _for_ science and professionalism. What he is _against_
> is quacks, frauds, religious fanatics, who try to take over this _science_
> newsgroup, and half-witted usenet trolls like you.
>
>>You defend that insanity, do you?
If there's anyone who would know insanity intimately, it would
certainly be Chung and Mu_lchpile.
> What insanity? Yours or Chung's?
Hard to decide, huh...?
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:407A4B...@heartmdphd.com...
> Not yet, but you will have.
That would be up to God.
Meanwhile, you remain in my prayers, neighbor.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that you too
will have more meaning and purpose in your life.
Bob Pastorio
> On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:41:49 +0300, Matti Narkia <mn...@despammed.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Bob's original post was sent to sci.med.cardiology only. Mu, the trolling
> >robot, found sensible to expand the audience _a bit_ for his noble excrement
> >and crossposted it to the following newsgroups:
> >
> >sci.med.cardiology,misc.writing,rec.food.preserving,rec.food.historic,
> >rec.food.cooking,alt.support.diet,sci.med.nutrition,alt.creative.writing,
> >alt.support.diet.low.carb
> >
> >Makes sense?
>
> Sure does and for the very reasons Pastorio continues to delete the
> Xposts.
<LOL> Poor hilarious Mu. He only lies when he's awake. The logic is
good, too. I didn't reply to this note when it was first posted, but
somehow I deleted the crossposts. Mu crossposts this stuff to
embarrass and still hasn't realized that that task is beyond a
featherweight like him.
Funny thing how I didn't see this wonderful post of his until it was
quoted. This address of his - feedrusnos...@usa.com - (he
changes names frequently to escape killfiles) has been in my killfile.
I bet not seeing his post was how I deleted all the xposts. <LOL>
That's why I had to look in Google to even see the whole post. Idiot.
I love his little girly way of using CAPITAL LETTERS in his notes as
he does below with CARDIOLOGY NG and CARDIOLOGISTS. He does the same
thing with the word TROLL when he accuses others of doing it. Next, I
expect to see his dot his "I's" with little hearts or maybe circles.
Or little giggles indicated.
He's a lightweight in everything except malice and mendacity. Oh, and
identifying himself. Tough-talking military guy who skulks behind fake
names and ever-changing addresses. <LOL> Brave defender of, um, er,
something...
This guy claims to be a trainer who works with the military, a real
estate developer, former big league professional athlete while still a
teenager, university graduate in some medical field, presidential
campaign manager and too many other inflated claims to credit with any
sort of credence. He often demands credentials from others but has
none of his own.
> It is embarrassing for him to be called out in front of all
> his Usenet connections; to be exposed as the uncaring, selfish cretin
> he is.
My "usenet connections" bwahahahahaha... Mu says he's exposed me.
<LOL> Denser than depleted uranium, is the boy.
It's so good to be Freuded by someone with the brilliant analytic
powers of this anonymous troll and spammer. Here, see who and what Mu
is and has been through just a few of his various name changes. My
personal favorite was when he called himself "arete" (with
diacriticals) and didn't know it meant fishbone in French. He changed
it quickly and hasn't mentioned it since.
<http://www.geocities.com/tanirevek/Roose.html>
<<http://tinyurl.com/hdex> >
> Damn near dead two months ago
Standard made-up "information" that this guy likes to throw out. He
operates in that wonderful shadowy world of repeated lies with no
accountability.
I had coronary care in the 80's and 90's. Not since. Had *good*
cardiologists.
> and he has the audacity to come back to
> a CARDIOLOGY NG when his own life was saved by CARDIOLOGISTS.
My life was indeed saved by cardiologists. But most assuredly not by
Dr. Andrew B. Chung (q.v. - who is a mutually declared "friend" to Mu)
who is the only cardiologist I've ever seen who posts scientific
nonsense, religious propaganda, and questionable medical advice
online.
Chung seems to have particular difficulty with numbers; he has
variously said that 2 pounds of bread contains 4000 calories, 2 pounds
of potatoes contains 3600 calories, that running 5 miles burns 300
calories, that everyone should take 325mg aspirin daily. Guesswork in
his advice to others and lack of research while advising people how to
live or alter their lives. Here's a very small exchange that
illustrates Chung:
<<<<< begin quote >>>>>
Chung says:
>Actually, 2 lbs of bread is about 4000 calories. "
>>
>> (http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp)
Someone else says:
>> According to my sources (GU Kompass Naehrwerte among others) 2 lbs
of
>> bread have between about 1760 and 2910 calories.
>>
>> The higher value is for crispbread, the lower for whole grain
bread,
>> white bread lying somewhere in between.
Chung says:
That's why calories don't really matter, Thorsten, as long as you have
a handle on the amount of food you are eating.
<<<< end quote>>>>
He is also a fundamentalist religious fanatic who uses his "faith"
like a weapon against anyone who disagrees with him. His proselytizing
and strident preaching is a constant source of contention in
sci.med.cardiology. He does it insolently and with that same sort of
nasty spirit where schoolyard wiseguys do malicious things they think
they can get away with.
Chung "invented" a diet that limits total daily food intake to 2
pounds for weight control nad maximal health - for everybody
irrespective of age, activity, size and virtually any health
conditions. He says that he got the idea while watching an IMAX movie
about Everest climbers who, he says, eat less than that while they
climb. When presented with information *from* Everest climbers who say
they consume vastly larger amounts of calories, Chung has evaded or
simply ignored it. Here's his FAQ about the 2 pound diet. It's
hilarious. See what he thinks dried foods are like and how much water
they need to rehydrate. <http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtlossfaqs.asp>
While you're at it, see if you can count the number of keywords Chung
has put at the bottom of his pages to make sure he gets hits.
He suggests you might want to be one of his new customers on his
website.
"If you need a cardiologist and reside here in Georgia, I am also
seeing folks in person. If you like what you have learned from this
web site and are interested in seeing me, you should visit my virtual
office for details about how to get a temporary username and password
to learn more about what it would be like to have me as your
cardiologist."
He believes that there has been an actual global flood (and says
there's scientific evidence for it but doesn't offer it) and that
there was truly a single "Eve" (says he personally knows the guys who
"proved" it) that gave rise to the entire human race. This man has
degrees in scientific fields. He spends an enormous amount of time
online and on his web site. Extremely unusual for an MD with a
practice. He has no hospital staff privileges and was fired for cause
from a Florida medical facility.
Chung and Mu play their trolling game with exquisite choreography. Mu
makes his scurrilous, often vicious, usually untrue statments nad
Chung "replies" to them so they're posted one more time. It's been a
standard play for them for years. Mu goes away now and then and has
claimed to have been in Iraq or doing some other James Bond business.
Some people believe that the two are the same person, but that seems
unlikely given their differences in style and claims. They claim to
meet each other in the Atlanta area; residence obviously unclear for
Mu, Chung's a matter of public record.
> You defend that insanity, do you?
Irony meters explode everywhere...
Bob
Mark Preston
Meanwhile . . . back at the ranch
hahahahah!
JE Anderson
Hey there Bob - no worries on this front. I only know you from the
rec.food.historic group but if I compare your postings to the dynamic duo's
I think I know who I were to believe if a decision was forced on me.
Note to the trolls involved please stop boring us with your crap and
littering our newsgroups with your trash...
Janet
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> <huge snippage>
Yes, that is how I would also describe Bob.
Poor guy...
He remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
May he accept Christ as his personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that he too
may have eternal life and the infinite riches of God's kingdom.
Olivers
> JE Anderson wrote:
>
>> <huge snippage>
>
> Yes, that is how I would also describe Bob.
>
> Poor guy...
But a considerably brighter buld than demonstrated by the occasional
glimmer you so rudely emit.
>
> He remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
>
> May he accept Christ as his personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
> he too may have eternal life and the infinite riches of God's kingdom.
>
The very faith which you so ardently clamor about would reject you from the
very Gates of Heaven for severe and unrepented attitudinal and mortal sins
agains your fellow men, you vile little caster of first stones.
>
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Any evidence of humility on your part remains to date entirely unreavealed.
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Board-Certified Cardiologist
> http://www.heartmdphd.com/
>
Evidence that sanity was not considered during the certification process
(unless the Board considered that a rotten-hearted physician was capable of
healing the wounded hearts of folks with healthy attitudes and unhealthy
pumps).
You're nought but a nasty little bugger, likely so unattractive in
childhood that your mother had to deck you out in ungnawed porkchop bones
before the neighborhood dogs would deign to play with you, and having not
improved measurably with age.
TMO
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
JE Anderson
> JE Anderson wrote:
>
> > <huge snippage>
>
> Yes, that is how I would also describe Bob.
>
> Poor guy...
Wow, brilliant rebuttle - did you have to study long at your master's feet
to learn such eloquence? <snerk>
And now to follow my own advice....the end
Janet
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:b2a331ee2017d271...@news.teranews.com...
> > JE Anderson wrote:
> >
> > > <huge snippage>
> >
> > Yes, that is how I would also describe Bob.
> >
> > Poor guy...
>
> Wow, brilliant rebuttle
Wasn't a rebuttle but concordance.
> - did you have to study long at your master's feet
> to learn such eloquence? <snerk>
With His gift of truth discernment, no studying was required :-)
> And now to follow my own advice....the end
Too bad, Bob, can't follow such advice, else his obsessions would be
cured.
> Janet
Thanks for underscoring Bob's obsessions, Janet.
You will be in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will be at peace.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD