Open Letter to Those Who Would Hate Pastorio
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob is obsessed with food and for that reason, obsessively hates anyone
who would propose that folks eat less food. This would include Christ
who after a 40 day fast suggested that the Word of God is better than
bread for living (and so He rejected satan's temptation of turning stone
into bread).
It is my hope you will pray for Bob's salvation, in Christ's name.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
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Michael F. Poellot
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>You are not the first (and probably won't be the last) to discover that
>Bob is obsessed with food and for that reason, obsessively hates anyone
>who would propose that folks eat less food. This would include Christ
>who after a 40 day fast suggested that the Word of God is better than
>bread for living (and so He rejected satan's temptation of turning stone
>into bread).
>
>It is my hope you will pray for Bob's salvation, in Christ's name.
>
>
>Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
>
>Andrew
Andrew:
Why are you posting this here on smc which is supposedly a
"scientific" newsgroup ? Don´t you have anything better to do ?????
Just wondering,
Michael
Bob (this one)
> You are not the first (and probably won't be the last) to discover
> that Bob is obsessed with food
This is another of Chung's "diagnoses" that have no basis in reality.
I've made my living dealing with food for a while, true. Chung
apparently can't distinguish between a job and an obsession. It's just
as silly to assert that Chung is obsessed with the human body because
he makes his living dealing with it. Perhaps that case could be even
more strongly made given the amount of time that he's spent in
detailed study, examination, analysis of the body. Rigorous laboratory
time dissecting bodies. Cutting up bodies. Looking at pictures of
bodies. Walking rounds in hospital looking at sick bodies and talking
about them endlessly. Bodies as the main subject for 36 hours at a
time. Bodies all day long and all night long. Then to start his
business where he deals with bodies all week long and comes here to
talk about bodies every day for hours on end. Who's obsessed...?
By contrast, I've spent more time studying English and writing for a
living (on many subjects) as well as being in corporate positions with
nothing to do with food. Much longer time than I have dealing with
food. Perhaps that level of professional concentration indicates
obsession to Chung, or at least a place to attack someone who has
proven his fraudulence and superficiality so many times. How about
you. Have you spent years involved in one business area? Are you
obsessed? What a perfectly silly thing for this fraud who claims
"truth discernment" to post.
> and for that reason, obsessively hates
Poor confounded Chung. He has so much hate in his soul that he
ascribes the same to everyone who doesn't buy his smoke and mirror
show. I don't hate Chung or anyone else. I feel contempt for him and
his crippled behavior. He can't distinguish the difference. I find him
funny in his silly rigidities and insistent error. It harks back to
his 400 calories in 2 pounds of bread, his 3600 calories in 2 pounds
of potatoes, his 200 calories in an hour's running. All demonstrable
errors that have been pointed out to him and which he continues to
insist are right. It's like that whole aspirin thing where he said
only 325mg did the job and argued with anyone or anything that
offered different information. Now, quietly, he says that around 150
mg does the job just as well. No admission of confusion, error, no
crediting new research. Just tried to slide it in. That's why he's so
funny.
But there's a darker side to Chung and this post is a small example of
it. It's a deliberate effort to cause hurt. It's a specific troll to
sneer and swagger. To strut in most immodest fashion. To score
"points." To win some contest with only an ego prize.
> anyone who would propose that folks eat less food.
This is another Chung fake issue. My sense is that people are free to
eat or not eat what they want. I have no stake in how much or what it
may be. I get no benefit from any of it, so it certainly can't be
ascribed to avarice, as he has tried to say in the past.
I *do* care for people to be taken in by junk science and
egotistical pronouncements based on misunderstood premises. His 2pound
diet is exactly such an example. He asserts that it was inspired by
Mt. Everest climbers who only eat 10 pounds of dried food a week
(which is and has been proven incorrect) and he further postulated
that they only added 4 pounds of water to rehydrate it and that brings
it to 2 pounds a day. Dehydrated foods have had anywhere from 60% to
about 95% of the water removed. Putting that back in triples or even
quadruples its weight. 10 pounds of food become 30 or 40 pounds of
food - 4 to 6 pounds a day; a far cry from his "prescription" that we
should all eat *less* than 2 pounds of food a day. In the thread "Re:
rising blood pressure," last Thurdsday, he said:
> With the 2PD approach, the goal is to limit your intake to *less*
> than 2 pounds per day.
It shows that he simply didn't do any research about the subject but
took one misunderstood reference from an IMAX film and built a whole
dietary approach on it. He offers no support for the idea, no data
about success rates except to say that *everyone* who does it
succeeds, whatever that could possibly mean in the real world.
> This would include Christ who after a 40 day fast suggested that
> the Word of God is better than bread for living (and so He rejected
> satan's temptation of turning stone into bread).
This is the most amazing leap of pure fundamentalist wacko-ness that
he's done in a long time. From a string of truly disturbed insanities.
I've already spoken to my beliefs and, frankly, no one's are really
anyone's business except that Chung has tried to make his "convenient
Christianity" - no obligations to be or do or not do anything - the
standard here. If you don't believe what Chung does, you're doomed,
flawed, probably stupid and weak of character, he says.
Nevertheless, Chung feels it appropriate to make jokes about his
"savior." Jesus is so important, so central to his life, so important
as a source of cosmic reality to Chung that he can post something
like this: <http://tinyurl.com/2ppej>
> I believe Pastorio has been mortally injured by Munar Dust.
>
> My Savior is reattaching Pastorio's body parts :-)
He uses his wacko beliefs to try to humiliate others, to use it as an
index of character flaws to not believe as he does. It is the mark of
a sadly malicious fraud cloaked in the vestments of a caregiver. It is
the mark of a self-worshipping, ego-driven charlatan who would use the
inferences of his credentials to try to discredit others who point out
his feet of clay and his soul of parched morality.
> It is my hope you will pray for Bob's salvation, in Christ's name.
Chung tries to hurt rather than give succor. It is absolutely in
contradiction to the oath he took as a doctor and the example that
Christ sets. Fraudulence is as fraudulence does.
> Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Chung still doesn't get it about what humility means. He steadfastly
asserts that this sort of compulsive behavior is what Jesus wants him
to be doing. He steadfastly asserts that his gift of "truth
discernment" has led him to behaving this way and that's it's
perfectly in keeping with Christian beliefs. Apparently, Jesus
condones viciousness, malice, lying, evasiveness, pretense to
knowledge and deliberate effort to cause harm. I don't think so.
Bob
Smoke
"Michael F. Poellot" <tt...@pipeline.com> wrote in message
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Smoke
Michael F. Poellot
>In a word, "obsession".
>
>Smoke
>
It must be obsession !!
I definitely appreciate Dr Chung´s time and efforts when he provides
professional medical advice in this newsgroup. Not many doctors do
that !!
However, smc is not a place for personal vendettas. I addition,
discussions here about Christianity are also inappropriate. Dr Chung
and others are followers of organized religion. That is fine with me,
I respect it, and God (if He exists) bless them. But I must say, that
faith is of a private matter and should be kept in that order. There
are other newsgroups available to discuss religious or philosophical
topics.
smc by definition should be a forum about cardiology and nothing else.
Michael
Carol T
> Chung still doesn't get it about what humility means. He steadfastly
> asserts that this sort of compulsive behavior is what Jesus wants him
> to be doing. He steadfastly asserts that his gift of "truth
> discernment" has led him to behaving this way and that's it's
> perfectly in keeping with Christian beliefs. Apparently, Jesus
> condones viciousness, malice, lying, evasiveness, pretense to
> knowledge and deliberate effort to cause harm. I don't think so.
>
> Bob<<<<<<<<<<<
It's of no matter Bob, your sin, is between you and the Lord Jesus
Christ, as Andrew's is between him and Christ. If you see in him
sinful ways then it would be good if you prayed for him and yourself.
God gave us talents to do many things in life and you have been
blessed with the ability to provide feasts for the soul. For the Lord,
the feeding of the soul with His own bread is often preceded with the
good food of man's hands. Food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts.
You do not need to carry the sin of everyone you cook for, Jesus has
already done that, so you do not need to defend what you do. It is
between them and their Lord if others over eat.
Enjoy what you do and rejoice in God that He has provided you with
the tools to do it well.
Carol T
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But I must say, that
> faith is of a private matter and should be kept in that order. There
> are other newsgroups available to discuss religious or philosophical
> topics.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
"But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of
an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. " 2Ti 4:5
Andrew cannot be a Christian and put his work as a doctor before
Christ. Christ very much has a place on this and every newsgroup
where there is a Christian, as He comes before all things.
All people who love God will exalt His virtues to others, regardless
of their faith. Did Moses have shame in the Lord's ways that he kept
Him to himself, or advised others to do the same?
Carol T
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There is nothing better than serving God.
> Just wondering,
>
> Michael
Nothing wrong with wondering.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> On Wed, 05 May 2004 01:03:21 GMT, "Smoke" <sm...@fire.com> wrote:
>
> >In a word, "obsession".
> >
> >Smoke
> >
>
> It must be obsession !!
>
> professional medical advice in this newsgroup. Not many doctors do
> that !!
>
> However, smc is not a place for personal vendettas. I addition,
> discussions here about Christianity are also inappropriate. Dr Chung
> and others are followers of organized religion. That is fine with me,
> I respect it, and God (if He exists) bless them. But I must say, that
> faith is of a private matter and should be kept in that order. There
> are other newsgroups available to discuss religious or philosophical
> topics.
>
> smc by definition should be a forum about cardiology and nothing else.
>
> Michael
Have you visited other Newsgroups lately?
Would suggest to visit sci.med and see if postings there are about
medicine and nothing else.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Now, there is no one here is this newsgroup, who after dying, can
honestly say to God that s/he never witnessed a Christian act like a
true Christian.
http://www.heartmdphd.com/christ.asp
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<109gaai...@corp.supernews.com>...
>
> > Chung still doesn't get it about what humility means. He steadfastly
> > asserts that this sort of compulsive behavior is what Jesus wants him
> > to be doing. He steadfastly asserts that his gift of "truth
> > discernment" has led him to behaving this way and that's it's
> > perfectly in keeping with Christian beliefs. Apparently, Jesus
> > condones viciousness, malice, lying, evasiveness, pretense to
> > knowledge and deliberate effort to cause harm. I don't think so.
> >
> > Bob<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> It's of no matter Bob, your sin, is between you and the Lord Jesus
> Christ, as Andrew's is between him and Christ. If you see in him
> sinful ways then it would be good if you prayed for him and yourself.
... and be mindful of the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ on the
matter of judging others. Remember the plank in thine eye.
> God gave us talents to do many things in life and you have been
> blessed with the ability to provide feasts for the soul.
Feasts for the stomach is *not* feasts for the soul. God's Word is
the only feast for the soul.
> For the Lord,
> the feeding of the soul with His own bread is often preceded with the
> good food of man's hands.
As long as this is not in excess as it often is here in the U.S.
> Food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts.
I do not believe Christ ever advocated fasting. Remember the feeding
of the 5000. Christ did not say to let the folks fast.
> You do not need to carry the sin of everyone you cook for, Jesus has
> already done that, so you do not need to defend what you do.
Bob's problem is that he appears to have turned his back on Jesus.
May he tell us that this isn't so.
> It is
> between them and their Lord if others over eat.
As His servant, it remains my choice to inform people that they are
overeating.
> Enjoy what you do and rejoice in God that He has provided you with
> the tools to do it well.
Being able to cook well does not mean one should overeat what one
cooks. Nor does it mean to overfeed others.
It is a joy to see that McDonald's has gotten this latter point by
halting their supersizing program.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Bob (this one)
> cteas...@hotmail.com (Carol T) wrote in message
> news:<9bff2a56.04050...@posting.google.com>...
>
>> "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:<109gaai...@corp.supernews.com>...
>>
>>> Chung still doesn't get it about what humility means. He
>>> steadfastly asserts that this sort of compulsive behavior is
>>> what Jesus wants him to be doing. He steadfastly asserts that
>>> his gift of "truth discernment" has led him to behaving this
>>> way and that's it's perfectly in keeping with Christian
>>> beliefs. Apparently, Jesus condones viciousness, malice, lying,
>>> evasiveness, pretense to knowledge and deliberate effort to
>>> cause harm. I don't think so.
>>>
>>> Bob<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> It's of no matter Bob, your sin, is between you and the Lord
>> Jesus Christ, as Andrew's is between him and Christ. If you see
>> in him sinful ways then it would be good if you prayed for him
>> and yourself.
>
> ... and be mindful of the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ on the
> matter of judging others. Remember the plank in thine eye.
<LOL> Like Chung's "observations" that express a conclusion, but that
he insist aren't judgments. That way the lumberyard in his eye is off
limits - he actually believes.
>> God gave us talents to do many things in life and you have been
>> blessed with the ability to provide feasts for the soul.
>
> Feasts for the stomach is *not* feasts for the soul. God's Word is
> the only feast for the soul.
Knee-jerk, formulaic Christianity. I just love it when these two talk
in their silly codes and euphemisms. It's like listening to those TV
evangelists with the slick hair and light blue leisure suits.
>> For the Lord, the feeding of the soul with His own bread is often
>> preceded with the good food of man's hands.
>
> As long as this is not in excess as it often is here in the U.S.
Hilarious. Carol and Chung for a perfect tag team. One lies and
connives and the other lectures with great, ringing inanities. <LOL>
Wonderful show of non sequitur logic and pronouncements.
>> Food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts.
What a wonderful form. Splendid wisdom as long as you don't actually
look at it. <LOL> Pseudo-biblical stuff with the sonorous feel of the
KJV. "And it came to pass that on that day there was much in the land.
Many were seen but few were watched. And it was good. And on the next
day, they rested, for food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts. And
behold, they were fatted and spread across the world and ate their
locusts unto the Lord." Book of the Greek, Sanctimonious, 9:12-15."
> I do not believe Christ ever advocated fasting. Remember the
> feeding of the 5000. Christ did not say to let the folks fast.
He fasted. Chung should read the book instead of looking at IMAX movies.
Wasn't a balanced meal, though. It was just fish and bread. Good
omega-3 (if a fatty fish), but minerals and vitamins were a bit
scarce. Still, on such short notice, not much time to put together a
full menu, huh?
>> You do not need to carry the sin of everyone you cook for, Jesus
>> has already done that, so you do not need to defend what you do.
Carol, it has escaped your slim notice that I don't defend what I do,
nor do I cook for others anymore. It looks like you can only play one
tune and it's in the wrong key. I don't carry anyone else's sins,
either; never considered it, couldn't do it. Could you be more
obtusely wrong?
> Bob's problem is that he appears to have turned his back on Jesus.
> May he tell us that this isn't so.
Chung hasn't heard, or read the other times I've said what I'm about.
One more isn't going to make any difference, but here's what he seems
to want to see: My back is not turned on Jesus.
>> It is between them and their Lord if others over eat.
<LOL> What the hell are you going on about? This thread started with
Chung talking about people who would hate me. In it he talked about
obsession and his other preposterous diagnoses of what I'm about and
concluded with his normal sanctimonious foolishness. Did that escape
your clouded eye? Rhetorical question. Got any admonitions for him,
Carol? Didn't think so.
> As His servant, it remains my choice to inform people that they are
> overeating.
<LOL> More of the brilliant one-size-fits-all Chung wisdom. He creates
a diet plan for everyone based on misunderstanding the contents of an
IMAX movie and now believes he's on some divine mission.
>> Enjoy what you do and rejoice in God that He has provided you
>> with the tools to do it well.
Every day. It's exactly what I do. When I play my guitar. When I tend
my garden and ponder its miraculous mysteries. When I write. When I
teach people how to avoid or solve problems. When I sit in
contemplation of the stars overhead. When I walk. When I consider the
human condition. When I feed the animals. When I play with my kids.
Every day. Save your advice for someone not smarter than you.
> Being able to cook well does not mean one should overeat what one
> cooks. Nor does it mean to overfeed others.
More Chung wisdom. <LOL> One-trick-pony Chung still hasn't grasped
that I don't have a restaurant or any other commercial feeding
operation. Can't seem to learn anything new. Poor Andy one-note.
> It is a joy to see that McDonald's has gotten this latter point by
> halting their supersizing program.
And this understanding is exactly why Chung will always be such a
shallow slackwit. As though people can't order more than one of
anything if they want to. <LOL> "I'm sorry, sir, since there's only
one of you in the car, I can't sell you two cheeseburgers." <LOL>
Chung wants to impose ideas on people whether they want them or not,
and this is an example of how he thinks in his crippled way.
McDonald's is somehow responsible for people being fat. Not the
people. Passing the buck just as he does with his wacko but
wonderfully convenient religious beliefs. He can do anything malign or
evil as long as he mouths the name of Jesus now and again. Brilliant.
Bob
Michael F. Poellot
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Michael F. Poellot wrote:
snip
>>
>> smc by definition should be a forum about cardiology and nothing else.
>>
>> Michael
>
>Have you visited other Newsgroups lately?
Yes.
>
>Would suggest to visit sci.med and see if postings there are about
>medicine and nothing else.
I have been there. True, there are also postings out there that have
nothing to do with medicine. I don´t mind that since it is usenet and
we all have the right for free speech, however, the constant "war" and
personal attacks between you, Dr Nagler, Bob etc becomes somehow
boring to read.
And by the way, I also subscribe to other med newsgroups out of
personal interest and love for the medical sciences.
Michael
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> On Wed, 05 May 2004 06:56:44 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >Michael F. Poellot wrote:
>
>
> snip
>
> >>
> >> smc by definition should be a forum about cardiology and nothing else.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> >Have you visited other Newsgroups lately?
>
> Yes.
>
> >
> >Would suggest to visit sci.med and see if postings there are about
> >medicine and nothing else.
>
> I have been there. True, there are also postings out there that have
> nothing to do with medicine. I don´t mind that since it is usenet and
> we all have the right for free speech, however, the constant "war" and
> personal attacks between you, Dr Nagler, Bob etc becomes somehow
> boring to read.
War is by definition comprised of "exchanges." There have been none for
several weeks. Though I have read the numerous posts by Stephen and Bob
and agree with your assessment that they are boringly obsessive, it has
been my choice to not fan their obsessions with a responding post.
Instead, they remain in my prayers to God in Christ's name that He will
heal them.
> And by the way, I also subscribe to other med newsgroups out of
> personal interest and love for the medical sciences.
>
> Michael
Michael,
Your posting history would suggest an anti-christian bias.
You will also be in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so that
you too may have eternal life and the boundless riches of God's kingdom.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Michael F. Poellot
<and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>Your posting history would suggest an anti-christian bias.
Dear Andrew:
I am not biased and I don´t consider myself an anti-Christian. In
fact, Christianity represents a wonderful philosophy to guide people.
I for my part hold Christian values dearly, however, the Bible
description of God as our creator appears to be too simplistic (at
least for me, but what I know?) to explain the reason for our
existence.
Well, now, I was off-topic to write this notion on smc ;-)))
Greetings from Orange County, California to Atlanta,
Michael
Carol T
>>>>>>>>>>> I for my part hold Christian values dearly, however, the
Bible
> description of God as our creator appears to be too simplistic (at
> least for me, but what I know?) to explain the reason for our
> existence. <<<<<<<<<<<
There isn't a description of Him, He is to each of us our Lord to the
highest of our own standards and beyond. His ways are written in His
Word through His Holy Spirit and it is in this that you will find your
answers. The N/T is a suprisingly small book, Jesus said very little
in it, and yet it's the most powerful thing you will ever read and
learn of yourself.
>>>>>>> Well, now, I was off-topic to write this notion on smc
;-)))<<<<<<<<
Ahh, the affairs of the heart!
"For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and
knows all things." NKJ 1John 3:20
Not off topic you see.
Carol T
Carol T
> > It's of no matter Bob, your sin, is between you and the Lord Jesus
> > Christ, as Andrew's is between him and Christ. If you see in him
> > sinful ways then it would be good if you prayed for him and yourself.
>
> ... and be mindful of the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ on the
> matter of judging others. Remember the plank in thine eye.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Dear Andrew,
My judgements lie with no one, I have too many sins of my own. What
Bob does with the sins he percieves in others is important to me
because I care about him. If I have sin which bothers him I ask him to
pray for me because it would make him feel better, and in turn that
will make me feel better.
>>>>>>>>> > God gave us talents to do many things in life and you have
been
> > blessed with the ability to provide feasts for the soul.
>
> Feasts for the stomach is *not* feasts for the soul. God's Word is
> the only feast for the soul.<<<<<<<<<<<<
The chef who reserves a place for the Lord will serve the feasts of
His tables, where mountains are overcome and veils will be lifted. At
these tables His bread is served well. We all have our place and
moment for His work, Bob's fortunate as his place is filled with
people who can joyfully recieve their bread.
"And in this mountain The Lord of hosts will make for all people A
feast of choice pieces, A feast of wines on the lees, Of fat things
full of marrow, Of well-refined wines on the lees. And He will destroy
on this mountain The surface of the covering cast over all people, And
the veil that is spread over all nations." Isa 25:6-7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > For the Lord,
> > the feeding of the soul with His own bread is often preceded with the
> > good food of man's hands.
>
> As long as this is not in excess as it often is here in the U.S.<<<<<<<<<<
No, people must not eat to excess day in day out, but very few go to
the table of a chef day in day out. This is part of what makes their
work so special.
>>>>> > Food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts.
>
> I do not believe Christ ever advocated fasting. Remember the feeding
> of the 5000. Christ did not say to let the folks fast.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jesus was asked why the disciples of John fasted so often (Luke 5:33)
and yet Jesus Himself didn't.
At this time Jesus Himself did not need to fast as he had His Father
with Him all the time, just as the children of the bride chamber
cannot fast whilst they have their bridegroom with them.
"But {the} days will come; and when the bridegroom is taken away from
them, then they will fast in those days." NKJ
>>>>>>>>>>> As His servant, it remains my choice to inform people that
they are
> overeating.<<<<<<<<
Yes, but Bob's heart must not be heavy for his work.
>>>>>>>>>> Being able to cook well does not mean one should overeat
what one
> cooks. Nor does it mean to overfeed others.<<<<<<<
We are all sinners, but we also have the freewill to chose not to be
overfed by another. We have to live well too, free from worry,
because our physical bodies are just a whisper in time.
"Then He said to His disciples, "Therefore I say to you, do not worry
about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will
put on." NKJ Luke 12:22
>>>>>>>>>> It is a joy to see that McDonald's has gotten this latter
point by
> halting their supersizing program.<<<<<<<<<<<
McDonald's is a self feeding money making machine, as all large
comercial organisations must be for survival. Fast food is what we get
when people stop caring about how their food is prepared, served, its
quality, the time taken to eat and who shares their table. These fast
food organistions are not really good advocates for our stomachs or
spiritual needs.
This link might interest(shock) someone.
http://hin.nhlbi.nih.gov/portion/index.htm0
I wonder what Jesus would have said about the fast food outlets and
the flood of advertising.
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some
have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced
themselves through with many sorrows. " NKJ 1Ti 6:10
Carol T
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> nos...@heartmdphd.com (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote in message news:<9fcab6f7.04050...@posting.google.com>...
>
>
> > > It's of no matter Bob, your sin, is between you and the Lord Jesus
> > > Christ, as Andrew's is between him and Christ. If you see in him
> > > sinful ways then it would be good if you prayed for him and yourself.
> >
> > ... and be mindful of the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ on the
> > matter of judging others. Remember the plank in thine eye.<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> My judgements lie with no one, I have too many sins of my own. What
> Bob does with the sins he percieves in others is important to me
> because I care about him. If I have sin which bothers him I ask him to
> pray for me because it would make him feel better, and in turn that
> will make me feel better.
>
We are all blemished with sin. All the prayers in the world won't remove these blemishes if we have rejected Christ as our
personal Lord and Savior.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>> > God gave us talents to do many things in life and you have
> been
> > > blessed with the ability to provide feasts for the soul.
> >
> > Feasts for the stomach is *not* feasts for the soul. God's Word is
> > the only feast for the soul.<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> The chef who reserves a place for the Lord will serve the feasts of
> His tables, where mountains are overcome and veils will be lifted. At
> these tables His bread is served well. We all have our place and
> moment for His work, Bob's fortunate as his place is filled with
> people who can joyfully recieve their bread.
>
What is fortune if the Lord is not at your table?
>
> "And in this mountain The Lord of hosts will make for all people A
> feast of choice pieces, A feast of wines on the lees, Of fat things
> full of marrow, Of well-refined wines on the lees. And He will destroy
> on this mountain The surface of the covering cast over all people, And
> the veil that is spread over all nations." Isa 25:6-7
>
The meal our Lord makes for us is a "simple meal" of bread and fish that Bob has looked down on seemingly contemptuously.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > For the Lord,
> > > the feeding of the soul with His own bread is often preceded with the
> > > good food of man's hands.
> >
> > As long as this is not in excess as it often is here in the U.S.<<<<<<<<<<
>
> No, people must not eat to excess day in day out, but very few go to
> the table of a chef day in day out.
Except the chef.
> This is part of what makes their
> work so special.
>
I prefer my meals to be at the table of my Lord.
>
> >>>>> > Food follows fasts, and fasts follow feasts.
> >
> > I do not believe Christ ever advocated fasting. Remember the feeding
> > of the 5000. Christ did not say to let the folks fast.<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Jesus was asked why the disciples of John fasted so often (Luke 5:33)
> and yet Jesus Himself didn't.
>
> At this time Jesus Himself did not need to fast as he had His Father
> with Him all the time, just as the children of the bride chamber
> cannot fast whilst they have their bridegroom with them.
>
> "But {the} days will come; and when the bridegroom is taken away from
> them, then they will fast in those days." NKJ
>
Yes, outside of the U.S. there are believers who are starving.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As His servant, it remains my choice to inform people that
> they are
> > overeating.<<<<<<<<
>
> Yes, but Bob's heart must not be heavy for his work.
>
His heart should be heavy if he is willfully choosing to tempt others.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Being able to cook well does not mean one should overeat
> what one
> > cooks. Nor does it mean to overfeed others.<<<<<<<
>
> We are all sinners,
Agree.
> but we also have the freewill to chose not to be
> overfed by another.
Some will have the courage and strength to resist the temptation.
Question: When satan tempted Jesus with the idea of turning stone to bread to relieve His hunger after a 40 day fast, was satan
blameless?
> We have to live well too, free from worry,
> because our physical bodies are just a whisper in time.
>
We are stewards of all that God has given us including our physical bodies. Speaking as a physician, we are not very good stewards
when we overeat.
>
> "Then He said to His disciples, "Therefore I say to you, do not worry
> about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will
> put on." NKJ Luke 12:22
>
This message addresses scarcity and not the problem of over-abundance. This messages addresses "what you will eat" when there is
hardly anything available and not "how much you should eat" when there is plenty.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> It is a joy to see that McDonald's has gotten this latter
> point by
> > halting their supersizing program.<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> McDonald's is a self feeding money making machine, as all large
> comercial organisations must be for survival. Fast food is what we get
> when people stop caring about how their food is prepared, served, its
> quality, the time taken to eat and who shares their table. These fast
> food organistions are not really good advocates for our stomachs or
> spiritual needs.
>
> This link might interest(shock) someone.
>
> http://hin.nhlbi.nih.gov/portion/index.htm0
This link does not work, Carol.
>
> I wonder what Jesus would have said about the fast food outlets and
> the flood of advertising.
>
"Get behind me, satan."
>
> "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some
> have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced
> themselves through with many sorrows. " NKJ 1Ti 6:10
>
> Carol T
I have enjoyed this discussion, Carol.
May God continue to bless you and yours, in Christ's name :-)
Bob (this one)
> <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
> Though I have read the numerous posts by Stephen and Bob
> and agree with your assessment that they are boringly obsessive, it
> has been my choice to not fan their obsessions with a responding
> post.
<LOL> Right. Instead Chung does a Pearl Harbor and starts this thread
out of the blue. But, for once he's telling the truth. It's not a
reply to me. It's an attack, but not a reply. Fraud...
<LOL>
Who's obsessed? Attacks without a direct cause? Chung is the guy who
has claimed not to attack others first. <LOL>
Bob
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Right you are :-)
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
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What is all this about?
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Rolando
oy.
Rolando
>
> Carol T
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You will be in my prayers, Rolando.
May you accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, someday, so
that you too will have eternal life and the boundless riches of His
kingdom.
Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
Andrew
--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
**
Who is the humblest person in the universe?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L26062048
What is all this about?
http://makeashorterlink.com/?P28052048
Rolando
oy
Stephen Nagler
>oy
..................
Rolando, shortly after I first came to this newsgroup (to get the
proper context of a question cross-posed by fp), Chung started in with
his "May you accept Christ ..." stuff. I explained that I was a Jew
and that while I appreciated Chung's good intentions and prayers on my
behalf, I very respectfully asked that he not *talk* about praying to
Christ for me and not *talk* about my accepting Christ because as a
Jew because it simjply made me uncomfortable and I hoiped he would
respect my feeling in this regard.
Big damned mistake on my part. "Oy" doesn't even begin to tell the
tale.
Please do me and the rest of us who have killfiled Chung the favor of
not quoting his words in your posts. He is a hypocrite, a fraud, and
a liar.
Thanks -
smn
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
You remain in my prayers, neighbor.
Mosaic M_uns
spend my time with from you.
Say, 39 words or less.
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On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:37:46 -0400, "Bob (this one)" <B...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>
>This is another of Chung's "diagnoses".................
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960222.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Bob (this one)
> WAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG TO READ. Please condense to something I would
> spend my time with from you.
>
> Say, 39 words or less.
<LOL> Hey, lightweight, I've trimmed it to...
Ooops. Sorry. Already too much for your widdle bwain...
Bob
terr...@knowspam.mam
wrote:
>Mosaic M_uns wrote:
>
>> WAAAAAAAAY TOO LONG TO READ. Please condense to something I would
>> spend my time with from you.
>>
>> Say, 39 words or less.
>
><LOL> Hey, lightweight, I've trimmed it to...
>
>Ooops. Sorry. Already too much for your widdle bwain...
>
>Bob
>
If you just took out some of the <LOL>s, you'd probably reduce the
length considerably.
Terri
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
He would also seem less maniacal.
Bob remains in my prayers to God in Christ's name.
Bob (this one)
Still too long, huh...? I'd love to be able to help...
Perhaps go over it in sections.
Bob