Problems with the News Group
Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake
I read this group by going to google.com and logging in to get a
little bit of extra information. I am having problems with the google
software and wondered if I were alone in this. I do not receive any
information about threads in which I have participated, nor do I
receive notification that my posts have been replied to, nor am I able
to find any of the posts I made in June when I search for my name
Achava.
Also, I gather from some of the posts that I have read that there are
other ways to receive this and presumably other news groups than going
to google.com and clicking on groups. Would somebody please let me on
the secret?
Thanks,
Achava
Archimedes Plutonium
Don't go to Microsoft, for they are far worse, where they don't even
give you
the Newsgroups or Usenet.
Microsoft and Google are moving away from Usenet because there is
little
money. Usenet users are not prone to clicking on ads, but rather,
doing
science.
Use your ISP for base. Hopefully colleges and universities will erect
Forums
that archive a specific newsgroup like sci.math with Drexel as Math
Forum.
So in the future, instead of commercial business like Microsoft or
Google
will be just incidental to Usenet and where the Universities act as
the archive
and forum.
If you posted to sci.math, it is likely that the Math Forum has you
post archived
with a list of responses.
Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Phil Carmody
> Hi all,
>
> I read this group by going to google.com and logging in to get a
> little bit of extra information. I am having problems with the google
> software and wondered if I were alone in this. I do not receive any
> information about threads in which I have participated, nor do I
> receive notification that my posts have been replied to, nor am I able
> to find any of the posts I made in June when I search for my name
> Achava.
Google groups' search functionality has been broken for a very long
time. It varies between "completely utterly broken" and "almost
pretending to work slightly", but never strays outside those bounds.
> Also, I gather from some of the posts that I have read that there are
> other ways to receive this and presumably other news groups than going
> to google.com and clicking on groups. Would somebody please let me on
> the secret?
You need to subscribe (normally a painless and free operation) to
a news server, and get some newsreading software (again, normally
a painless and free operation). Google's traditional web search
engine will probably help you find examples of both.
Phil
--
Marijuana is indeed a dangerous drug.
It causes governments to wage war against their own people.
-- Dave Seaman (sci.math, 19 Mar 2009)
fishfry
<ccb92f82-860c-493f...@s1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Usenet is a part of the Internet that predates the Web. Google provides
a web-based reader for Usenet news groups, but there are other readers.
In fact Usenet is best experienced as it was 90's, via custom client
software that you install and run on your local machine.
On the Mac there's Thoth for modernists and MT-Newswatcher for
traditionalists. On Windows they used to use Forte News Agent and for
all I know that's still the standard.
In addition to the readers I mentioned there are lots of others ... just
google "news reader" or "Usenet client" and you'll get lots of links to
free readers.
Now the bad news is that due to grandstanding politicians, most big ISPs
have recently dropped Usenet due to ridiculous accusations of child
pornography. So to have access to Usenet from a reader, you have to
subscribe to a commercial newsgroup feed, such as Giganews (which I use
and recommend).
I'm not sure if email notification of thread activity is something you
really want. When someone asks if .999... = 1, there will be hundreds of
posts within a few days, the majority of them meaningless and/or
incoherent.
Frederick Williams
>
> So to have access to Usenet from a reader, you have to
> subscribe to a commercial newsgroup feed,
Not so, Albasani (for text groups) is free, nor is it the only one.
--
... when we came back, late, from the hyacinth garden,
Your arms full, and your hair wet, I could not
Speak, and my eyes failed...
William Elliot
> I read this group by going to google.com and logging in to get a
> little bit of extra information. I am having problems with the google
> software and wondered if I were alone in this.
Google is not my friend and it's not your friend either. It's the
government's friend for ratting on us and the Chinese government's
friend for software that blocks Chinese wrongthing.
Here's a file I've prepared a few months ago upon the laments of
others who were being Googled goosed as a source of spam what to
do about it and also some references of interest to you, wanting to
not be goosed by Google's googling goofs.
BTW, I use Yahoo.com for searches.
-- FAQ: What to do about spam.
Google Groups is the major source of spam on Usenet. Google Groups is
also a large source of off topic and/or idiotic posts. For that reason,
more and more people and even some news servers, are blocking posts from
Google Groups.
http://www.improve-usenet.org/index.html
It is easy to avoid the deluge of spam from Google.
First, use a news server other then Google.
Second, download a news reader that allows filtering.
Filtering can be used to block most spam or alternatively, to simply block
all Google posts (most efficiently done filtering on Message-ID).
Besides using the news server usually provided with your ISP internet
account, you have a choice of a number of news servers and news readeres,
some of which are listed below.
In addition, for those needing a web base news source, a number math
news groups including sci.math, with most spam removed, is offered by
http://mathforum.org/kb
--
NNTP news servers
http://news.aioe.org text only, no cost
http://www.teranews.com $4 set up cost
News servers that block spam
http://news.motzarella.org no cost
http://news.datemas.de no cost
http://www.albasani.net no cost
http://www.glorb.com/usenet.php $10/year
http://individual.net 10 Euro/year
News servers that block spam and posts from Google Groups
http://www.usenet4all.se no cost
News readers
Dialog http://www.40tude.com/dialog/download.htm
Xnews http://xnews.newsguy.com for file naming
cf. http://blinkynet.net/comp/xnewsrels.html
SeaMonkey (won't filter on Message-ID)
http://www.seamonkey-project.org
Thunderbird (won't filter on Message-ID)
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird
Forte Agent ($29, won't filter on Message-ID)
Unix Pan http://pan.rebelbase.com
XPN http://sourceforge.net/projects/xpn
KDE http://kontact.kde.org/knode
Mac: MT-Newswatcher, hogwash, MacSOUP, thoth
Cross Platform http://www.claws-mail.org
Proxy news servers
NewsProxy http://bearware.info/NewsProxy/newsproxy.html
Hamster Playground http://www.elbiah.de/hamster/pg
Unix Leafnode http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/
Noffle http://noffle.sourceforge.net
News sources, web and otherwise and references to news sites
http://www.readfreenews.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_clients
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers
http://www.alt.free.newsservers.net
http://freenews.maxbaud.net
http://news.motzarella.org
http://www.newsreaders.com
http://news.datemas.de
Commercial news servers
Giganews http://www.giganews.com
Supernews http://www.supernews.com (bought Giganews, yuck)
Newsfeeds http://www.newsfeeds.com
Usenetserve http://www.usenetserver.com
Easynews http://www.easynews.com
Altopia https://www.altopia.com
Newsguy https://www.newsguy.com
--
Newsgroups for Google spam, news servers, news readers and filters:
news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
news.software.readers
Newsgroup for discussing Google: alt.google-sucks
If your news server isn't carrying it, ask your
system administrator to add it to the active file.
Google should be given a Usenet Death Penalty (UDP)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/U/Usenet-Death-Penalty.html
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/I/Internet-Death-Penalty.html
Use another web search such as
http://yahoo.com
http://www.webcrawler.com
http://www.ask.com
and some other email service than Google's gmail. Then eventually
Google may come to understand that it's doing something wrong.
--
Essential features for a quality news reader.
Correct quoting.
Ascii-only posting.
Correct referencing of prior messages in the thread.
Filter capability to allow pruning of incoming messages.
Spell checking option for outgoing messages.
Offline news reading
No ads, cookies, etc.
Elimination of Google's "hide quoted", "show quoted" nonsense.
----
Alain
Yesterday morning I received 25 emails. I changed my email informations to a fake one then I received 74 more. I came back to my real email and this morning, only one in my spam section.
Achava Nakhash, the Loving Snake
<ach...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I read this group by going to google.com and logging in to get a
> little bit of extra information.
<snip>
> Would somebody please let me on
> the secret >
<added> (of other ways to read news groups)?
> Thanks,Achava
Many thanks to all of you for such quick and excellent replies. I
expect I will soon by trying several of them out. I have been kindn
of busy lately - just finished a week of 12 hour a day trining on
MuSQL, otherwise learning MySQL, Plone, Zope, html, xhtml, JavaScript,
PHP, and other things. I will be dragged kicking and screaming into
the modern world of programming whether I want to or not. Fortunately
I want to. Along the way I am learning a lot more about how the web
is implemented and how it is used. It is lots of fun, but as it is
for work I need to be disciplined, and so I have been off math mostly
for the last several months and don't see any quick let up.
All of which is my excuse for not implementing your suggestions
immediately and for posting only a very small amount.
Regards,
Achava
Andrew Tomazos
wrote:
> Usenet is a part of the Internet that predates the Web. Google provides
> a web-based reader for Usenet news groups, but there are other readers.
> In fact Usenet is best experienced as it was 90's, via custom client
> software that you install and run on your local machine.
I disagree. I prefer using Google Groups to both Thunderbird and
Agent, because I can view an entire thread on one contiguous page.
Its annoying having to click through thread tree controls to sew up
the conversation. With Google Groups I can just use my middle mouse
wheel.
-Andrew.
Spiros Bousbouras
It is one of the reasons I use Googlegroups too. I assume there
is some newsreader which offers the functionality of looking at
a thread as one continuous stream instead of having to open
individual messages but I don't want to spend the time to
try one after another until I find one which does.
[Crossposting to news.software.readers]
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
www.Google.COM/search?q=Bousbouras&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d2
Mr. Achava's posts, last 2 days:
www.Google.COM/search?q=Achava&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d2
Tomazos':
www.Google.COM/search?q=Tomazos&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d2
fishfry's:
www.Google.COM/search?q=fishfry&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d2
Some newsGroups are indexed more frequently than others.
Some aren't indexed at all.
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My useNet client is called “X.ZIP”. No one but me can operate it.
As far as I know, no one but me has ever tried to operate it.
When creating or updating a newsGroup,
it puts thousands of posts into one .TXT file;
this way, I can navigate it easily in my code editor(Visual Studio).
“ JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP ”, includes:
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.TXT
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.EXE
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.CPP
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Visual_Studio_Macros.TXT
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Games.EXE
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Dif.EXE
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/_Crap_.REG
JeffRelf.F-M.FM/userContent.CSS
X.TXT is the settings file, including C++-style //comments, help.
X.EXE is the newsReader. X.CPP is the source code, Visual C++ 9.
Games.EXE is a Mindless, semiRandom version of “Chess”.
Dif.EXE compares two plain-text files. Unicode is supported.
Example of how to run it from a .BAT file:
start Dif.EXE prevX.CPP X.CPP
_Crap_.REG has some registry settings I use.
userContent.CSS, for FireFox 3, controls the format of webPages.
Brian Chandler
> I'm not sure if email notification of thread activity is something you
> really want. When someone asks if .999... = 1, there will be hundreds of
> posts within a few days, the majority of them meaningless and/or
> incoherent.
Surely almost exactly half of them will be meaningless and/or
incoherent?
Brian Chandler
Frank Slootweg
Probably *all* newsreaders can do that, but you have to use a special
device which most Google Groupers don't know about: It's called a
"keyboard" [1].
[1] Not that you *couldn't* do it with a 'mouse'.
--
Frank "Reading News with *one*, *resting* hand! (Never you mind what I
do with the other one!)" :-) Slootweg
Tony944
"Phil Carmody" <thefatphi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:87y6rqc...@nonospaz.fatphil.org...
I have PC with XP Windows and sense Google ahs gone into change
it has F-----k ed up my computer royally to the point that I was force to
reinstall
all, guess what no more Google on my computer. Some one had posted that
their software is spying machine and I am going to believe that, you make
search
for anything and they you have whole world coming back at you.
Google no thanks!!!