Nazi Propagandist on a Rampage (was: Re: TYPICAL HOLOCAUST LIES)
Danny Keren
elaborate on this later).
It is amazing to see how, one day after being caught blatantly lying,
and admitting to his lies, Gannon continues to spew his rubbish to
dozens of newsgroups, reaching new heights of USENET abuse.
But Gannon is desperate. For years, he has been flooding a dozen or
so groups with his drivel; he even used a few aliases ("Ralph Winston",
"Maynard") to make it look as if he has more support; and all he
achieved was the dubious fame of being perhaps the greatest net.loon,
with an evil twist.
Gannon's agenda is very simple; it is summarized in an article posted
on his Nazi BBS.
<begin quote from Gannon's article>
# The "gist" of the Nazi movement is not readily labeled as "socialism",
# "racism", or anything like that. While it was influenced by many
# factors, the main drive behind it seems to me to have been a drive for
# efficiency, responsibility, freedom, self-preservation, discipline, and
# honor.
<end quote from Gannon's article>
It seems that the years of frustration have caused the little amount of
sanity Gannon might have had to evaporate. One of his recent claims is
that the stars in the one-dollar bill are a "secret sign" for the "Jewish
rule over the USA"...
What to do about Gannon? Unfortunately, my prediction from yesterday
came true; he continues to flood dozens of newsgroups with his Nazi
propaganda, and he will continue to do so as long as he can, without
giving a damn about other users, and about posting habits which are
practiced by rational people. Because, obviously, Gannon is not rational,
and Gannon doesn't give a damn.
In spite of all this, I think that this evil propaganda has to be
countered. I sincerely apologize for posting in these groups, but
let me note that:
1) I will always leave the string "dga...@banished.com" in my
response. The best thing for those who don't want to read Holocaust
related material is to kill each article containing that string.
2) The responsibility for the abuse of the net is Gannon's, since he
is the one who initiates the articles.
3) There are readers who think it is important to counter Gannon's
hate campaign.
4) Readers who are interested in a more comprehensive refutation of
this Nazi propaganda, and/or files with Holocaust documentation
(including GIF files), can mail me at d...@lems.brown.edu or
d...@cs.brown.edu. Some of these files have already proved useful
to student newspapers that published articles on these issues.
Again, I do apologize to the readers who, understandably, don't want
to see these articles in their newsgroups.
Just a comment on the latest piece...
dga...@banished.com writes:
# I recall there
# how the "gas chambers" of the Old Reich went, so to speak, down the
# chute, and I amuse myself collecting "strikingly true testimonies about
# the non-existent gassings, for example, at Buchenwald and Dachau."
This is a lie. According to the "Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe" (Institute
for Contemporary History) in Munich, Germany, gassing did take place in
Dachau, as well as in a few other camps inside the "Old Reich"; it
was on a much smaller scale, though, than in the death camps the
SS ran in Nazi-occupied Poland. If anyone wants the complete summary
published by the "Institut Fuer Zeitgeschicthe" (translated to English),
I can mail it to him/her.
-Danny Keren.
Ron Maimon
|> Pardon the interruption here, but why is the
|> Jewish_holocaust_by_those_nasty_german_nazis so massively over publicised?
|>
|> I have no problem with the event happening in the scale that it did, and I
|> have no problem understanding that many people suffered, and still do.
|>
|> What I'd like to know is that why it is the ONLY holocaust we ever hear
|> about, and why we are told about it time and time and time and time again
|> in movies, books, plays, Tv, radio...etc... and NEVER hear about the
|> BIGGER ones.
well, mostly because its very poetic. As Jello Biafra once said...
There's a prefab building and a funny smell
around the hills outside of town
every now and then we wonder but we shrug
our shoulders and get back to work
there's a railroad there, and trains go by
and there's people locked in cattle cars
and have you noticed, the french fries
(that I made just for you)
taste a little strange?
also the idea of human-skin lampshades, and human soap is just so hideously
repulsive....
Ron Maimon
Robert Parson
>In article <2j53r5$s...@werple.apana.org.au>, al...@werple.apana.org.au (Glenn Durden) writes...
>>Pardon the interruption here, but why is the
>>Jewish_holocaust_by_those_nasty_german_nazis so massively over publicised?
>>
>>about, and why we are told about it time and time and time and time again
>>in movies, books, plays, Tv, radio...etc... and NEVER hear about the
>>BIGGER ones.
>
>an attempt specifically to eliminate a group of people for no other reason
>than their heritage.
>
>>We do we not get continually flooded with movies about Stalins doings, or
>>the massacres in Chinas revolution or the others?
>
Consider the way we found out. We *beat* Germany. Our armies *saw* the camps.
The goddam nazis kept *records* of everything. We suddenly realized (or at
least, the mass of the ordinary population in the west did) that our wartime
image of the nazis fell far short of the truth.
In Stalin's Russia, on the other hand, the story came out in driblets -
an enterprising reporter here, a refugee there, a defector someplace else -
and for a long time there was enough confusion that a large segment of the
population could dismiss it all as propaganda. The fact that we allied
with the Soviet Union during WWII, just a few years after the Great Terror
(indeed, while many of its victims were languishing in the camps) made
it more difficult. Many people rejected all stories about the Terror until
Krushchev's revelations in 1956, and Krushchev only revealed half the story
(if that much). Only now do we have people actually digging up the mass
graves. It just doesn't have the same impact.
>We do, to some extent. But the point is that those deaths were politically
>motivated. Stalin chose a group of people who were a threat to his
>regime.
Not always. The Great Terror of the late 1930's was directed at Stalin's
*supporters* within the Party. All of the opposition within the Party had
already been crushed. (Opposition outside the party had been effectively
suppressed by Lenin before Stalin came to power.) Bukharin, Zinoviev et
al. *might* have formed a future opposition (they had tangled with
Stalin in the past) but not the thousands of perfectly loyal party cadres.
Stalin's motives in decimating his own supporters will probably debated
forever. It is plausible, though, that he wished to terrorize the party
so thoroughly that opposition would never again arise. It worked.
There is a story in Evgenia Ginzburg's _Journey Into the Whirlwind_
(personal memoirs of a victim of the Great Terror). In prison, the author
meets a German Communist who had been deported to Russia by the Nazis
and picked up in the Terror. She shows the author her hands, with all her
fingernails ripped out. "That," she says, "was the Gestapo." Then she takes
off her shirt and shows the whip and club scars on her back. "That,", she
says, "was the NKVD." (Quotations and descriptions from memory.)
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Robert
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Ron Maimon
|>
|> That's why palestinians in Israel have a higher standard of living and
|> more guaranteed rights than in any of the Arab state. The Israelis
|> are trying to lull them into a false sense of security...
|>
I've lived in Isreal more then half my life, and this is a ridiculous
statement. Arabs in Israel have practically no rights, and most have a
terrible standard of living, even compared to nearby Jordan.
and at least in Jordan you don't have to worry about getting beaten for
staying in certain parts of the country overnight.
Ron Maimon
Ad absurdum per aspera
>What to do about Gannon?
Take courage in observing that he has a new address -- it implies
that somebody at his previous site figured out how to make him
withdraw his mouthparts from the i/o port.
My absolutism about the First Amendment is still standing, but I
must admit that postings like Gannon's give it a good shaking.
> For years, he has been flooding a dozen or so groups with his drivel
Hence the Followup line, not that I'm sure they want anything to do
with him either. It certainly is neither science nor engineering.
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
Disclaimer: None. If my employer wouldn't stand behind me
on this subject, I'm not sure I'd want to work for them.
Jon Jeckell, Mankato State University, MN
I can't BELIEVE I'm actually getting involved, after I came so close to
flaming ALL involved (although I must commend those who flamed the guy who
originally posted his Nazi stain here for their noble efforts).
> What I'd like to know is that why it is the ONLY holocaust we ever hear
> about, and why we are told about it time and time and time and time again
> in movies, books, plays, Tv, radio...etc... and NEVER hear about the
> BIGGER ones.
Because the American/World media and society is so racist ITSELF. Chinese
killing Chinese/Vietnamese/Koreans gets page 13, whereas Germans killing Jews
(essentially still white to the media) gets headlines. Thats why. No "Jewish
Conspiracy"(tm) (I can't believe I'm copying that bastard).
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesnt it rate as something like number 4 or 5
> on the scale of total deaths?
Yup. Something like that. How about the Japanese invasion of Manchuria?
How many people know of THAT? Ever see the news reel where the Japanese
soldier catches a baby on his bayonet after tossing it into the air? The
Japanese were little better, and maybe WORSE during WWII, but noone seems to
care--even today. *shrug* Guess all those hypocrits out there are to busy
ridding around in their Toyotas to want to upset the status quo.
> Am I being cynical, or is it just that Jews have more acces to Tv and movie
> equipment?
You're being VERY cynical, IMHO, and coming close to agreeing with Butt-head.
Jews may have an easier time assimilating into white culture than other groups
(due to similar appearance and Euro background)--that's all.
> Have these people no PRIDE?! Is this really how they want the world to
> see them?
Sure they do. While some I know personally may have a bit of a persecution
complex, just check their history. Wouldn't you be a bit paranoid of other
ethnic and religious groups if they tried killing yours off every 50-100 years?
Also remember that the warped and vocal minority of a group is often the most
visible and manipulated by the media.
> It certainly happened with me... I do recall feeling sympathy for them
> when, as a kid, I hadn't been over exposed...
> Nowdays, I couldnt give a shit...
How tragic--if it's true, it must suck being around such a calloused SOB.
> "Schindlers List? Ah yes, yet another 'how we were picked on by the
> germans' movie"
Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was right--ie not ALL
Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi bastards--like Einstein,
Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
Sorry for the interruption.
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mccl...@ucs.orst.edu
>In article <2j53r5$s...@werple.apana.org.au>, al...@werple.apana.org.au (Glenn Durden) writes:
>I'm *NOT* claiming that the Holocause never occurred; I *AM* pointing out that
>Jews were *NOT* the only victims) to support their claims for some sort of
>special position.
>
>No, the abused people were the Gypsies. They were abuses long after it became
>politically incorrect to abuse Jews.
It is nice to see this actually addressed... most of the people involved with,
say, the Holocaust monument would like to see the Rom ignored, so they don't
dirty up their nice clean tribute to suffering and martyrdom. Unfortunately,
gypsies have been cathcing fecal matter for probably as long as the children
of Israel, and doing it far more quietly. This includes having their children
taken from them and placed in foster homes as late as the 1970's...
Anyway, assuming you're a Gaje, you're not a bad gaje. (:
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mccl...@ucs.orst.edu "It was a good day to die."
Danny Keren
# It is nice to see this actually addressed... most of the people
# involved with, say, the Holocaust monument would like to see the Rom
# ignored, so they don't dirty up their nice clean tribute to suffering
# and martyrdom.
Please cite your sources for this claim.
-Danny Keren.
Brad Kepley
>
> Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was right--ie not ALL
>Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi bastards--like Einstein,
>Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
It's funny that you put Bohr and Heisenberg together in your sentence.
Didn't Bohr get pretty exasperated with Heisenberg's defense of the Nazis?
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Alan Smaill
In article <1994Feb10...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> jej...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Jon Jeckell, Mankato State University, MN) writes:
>
> Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was right--ie not ALL
>Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi bastards--like Einstein,
>Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
It's funny that you put Bohr and Heisenberg together in your sentence.
Didn't Bohr get pretty exasperated with Heisenberg's defense of the Nazis?
And wasn't Bohr Danish, anyway??
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Gary Ehrlich
>It is nice to see this actually addressed... most of the people involved with,
>say, the Holocaust monument would like to see the Rom ignored, so they don't
>dirty up their nice clean tribute to suffering and martyrdom. Unfortunately,
This is not correct. I just went to the museum today <I assume you are
referring to the one here in DC>, and there are in fact several displays
devoted to the Nazi killings of gypsies and homosexuals.
It pains me to waste bandwidth responding to a thread like this, unfortunately,
in the interest of humanity it must be done. A quote by Hilter which was
posted on one wall quoted him saying <paraphrased> "Sure, we can kill the
Jews. After all, who remembers the massacre of Armenians." Think about it,
folks...
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Ethan Vishniac
physics.
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Ethan Vishniac
>> Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was right--ie not ALL
>>Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi bastards--like Einstein,
>>Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
This is wrong, but is actually is relevant to the history of physics.
Einstein was a German Jew and a firm opponent of the Nazis. Bohr was a Dane
and like most Danes was extremely anti-Nazi. (One of his parents
was of Jewish origin, but opposition to the Nazis was *not*
restricted to those Danes who had some Jewish ancestry.)
Heisenberg was probably sympathetic to the Nazis. I say probably because
there is a minority view (which I find unlikely) that he deliberately
sabotaged the Nazi effort to make a useable atom bomb.
Those interested in these questions might wish to consult an excellent recent
biography of Bohr by Pais, and an earlier biography of Einstein by the
same author. I have not read Cassidy's biography of Heisenberg and can't
comment on it.
Jon Jeckell, Mankato State University, MN
> In article <1994Feb10...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> jej...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Jon Jeckell, Mankato State University, MN) writes:
>>
>> Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was right--ie not ALL
>>Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi bastards--like Einstein,
>>Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
>
> It's funny that you put Bohr and Heisenberg together in your sentence.
> Didn't Bohr get pretty exasperated with Heisenberg's defense of the Nazis?
Ok, I screwed up. I don't know about what you say above, but I realized (10
minutes after I posted) that Bohr isn't German. If I remember correctly (now)
he is Danish, isn't he? Who cares anyway. That's why I'm a physics major and
not a History one.
DaveHatunen
[...]
>This is wrong, but is actually is relevant to the history of physics.
>Einstein was a German Jew and a firm opponent of the Nazis. Bohr was a Dane
>and like most Danes was extremely anti-Nazi. (One of his parents
>was of Jewish origin, but opposition to the Nazis was *not*
>restricted to those Danes who had some Jewish ancestry.)
Minor kvetch: I believe Einstein was a Swiss citizen, although born in
Germany.
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Arturo Viso Magidin
>It is nice to see this actually addressed... most of the people involved with,
>say, the Holocaust monument would like to see the Rom ignored, so they don't
>dirty up their nice clean tribute to suffering and martyrdom. Unfortunately,
>gypsies have been cathcing fecal matter for probably as long as the children
>of Israel, and doing it far more quietly. This includes having their children
>taken from them and placed in foster homes as late as the 1970's...
I can't speak about the Holocaust Monument (assuming you mean in
Washington D.C.), since I haven't been there. I can tell you about
Yad Vashem in Israel and a personal experience.
Yad Vashem documents Nazi atrocities. They do point out that
blacks, gypsies, homosexuals, and communists were all put into
concentration camps. The archives contain information on
*all* deaths occurred at the Concentration and Extermination
Camps.
As to the personal experience, I had the opportunity to
listen to some talks given by Dunia Wasserstrom (sp?),
who died recently. She was in Auschwitz for three years,
having been deported from France. She was fluent in
French, German, Polish and Yiddish (I think also Russian, but
can't tell now), so she was singled out and worked as an
interpreter for the Camp Commandant. In both her books and
all her lectures, she makes it clear that in Auschwitz
not only were Jews murdered and worked to death, but also
gypsies, blacks, etc. Auschwitz even had some political
prisoners, who usually got the jobs of "capo" and
unarmed guards (but they *did* carry wips). Jews, gyspsies,
etc. were the lowest rung in the ladder.
Yes, some people only think of Jews when the Holocaust
is mentioned. Not all of them, though.
As to "don't dirty up their clean martyrdom", I think
you crossed the line. I can't speak for others, but I can
tell you that when listening to actual survivors, I
get the impression not that they are glorifiyng their
suffering (which is what you are implying), but see it
as performing a service: let the world remember. It happened
to me; it happened to them; next time it could happen to you.
You think anybody mentioning the Holocaust is trying to
glorify the suffering of those there, or just showing to
everybody how low humankind can sink? I go for the latter.
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what I accept as reality."
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Thomas Kettenring
thread?)
In article <2jo2g5$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, et...@astro.as.utexas.edu (Ethan Vishniac) writes:
>Heisenberg was probably sympathetic to the Nazis. I say probably because
>there is a minority view (which I find unlikely) that he deliberately
>sabotaged the Nazi effort to make a useable atom bomb.
He himself denied that this minority view is true, making it even more
unlikely. In an interview with DER SPIEGEL he said "Thank God, we couldn't
build it." He said that he didn't know what he would have done if the German
group had come to the conclusion that a bomb was feasible in a short time and
if the regime had ordered them to build it. As it was, they couldn't do it
for several reasons. One of them was that the regime thought that the war
would be over quickly and that one should rather invest effort into things
that would be likely to have an effect on it, like rockets. Another was
that the heavy-water-producing industry in Norway was bombed.
But I wouldn't say he was sympathetic to the Nazis. He was filled with
horror when he visited a talk by Einstein and found that students of Philipp
Lenard were distributing flyers saying that Einstein's theories were "Jewish
Physics" as opposed to "German Physics", even more so as his teacher
Sommerfeld had always taught him to respect old Lenard who had now become a
raving fanatic.
Later Heisenberg himself was defamed by Johannes Stark and others as a
representative of "Jewish Physics", for example in an article in an SS paper.
He was in danger of losing his job or more, but his mother knew Himmler's
mother, and he had the opportunity to convince Himmler that quantum mechanics
and relativity were the only known theories that explained certain effects
and that the religion or origins of those who found them was irrelevant to
that. Himmler must have suffered from a rare fit of reason at the time. The
likes of Lenard and Stark had less backing from the party afterwards, and one
could do physics again without a sword of Damokles lurking above.
Heisenberg also played with the thought of emigrating, but Planck talked him
out of it - he should leave the vacancies abroad to those who needed them,
namely the German Jews who *had to* flee.
>Those interested in these questions might wish to consult an excellent recent
>biography of Bohr by Pais, and an earlier biography of Einstein by the
>same author. I have not read Cassidy's biography of Heisenberg and can't
>comment on it.
I got the above from a book "Deutsche und Juedische Physik" with texts by
Heisenberg. I can't remember the editor, but I'll look it up if there is
interest.
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DaveHatunen
>PLEASE TAKE THIS DISCUSSION ELSEWHERE, THIS IS AN *** ENGINEERING *** GROUP
I'll bet you don't even know how it got here.
Can you say "killfile"?
Actually, I'd restrict in my posts, but I don't know for sure which
group the person I'm responding to posted from, and it would be rude to
remove his group and then answer him.
mccl...@ucs.orst.edu
>In article <2jihqi$4...@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, <mccl...@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
> [.snip.]
>>
>
>
>Yes, some people only think of Jews when the Holocaust
>is mentioned. Not all of them, though.
>
>As to "don't dirty up their clean martyrdom", I think
>you crossed the line. I can't speak for others, but I can
>tell you that when listening to actual survivors, I
>get the impression not that they are glorifiyng their
>suffering (which is what you are implying), but see it
>as performing a service: let the world remember. It happened
>to me; it happened to them; next time it could happen to you.
>You think anybody mentioning the Holocaust is trying to
>glorify the suffering of those there, or just showing to
>everybody how low humankind can sink? I go for the latter.
>
line, and out of order and generally inappropriate. There were unusual
circumstances but that does not excuse me. Here I offer a public aplogy to
those with taste enough to have been offended by my blanket condemnation.
And when I get home, I will still hunt down the references I almost quoted
and offer them to those who have asked.
Again: I'm a putz. From one who would know.
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> (Are you all sure that sci.logic belongs into the Newsgroups line of this
> thread?)
I removed sci.logic from the header to my reply.
There is another good book all about the efforts to build a German A-bomb,
titled "The Virus House", I don't recall the author's name.
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Ludwig Plutonium
> Those interested in these questions might wish to consult an excellent recent
> biography of Bohr by Pais, and an earlier biography of Einstein by the
> same author. I have not read Cassidy's biography of Heisenberg and can't
> comment on it.
The only biographies to last in the future are the autobiographies.
The trouble with almost all biographies is that they are too biased and
slanted. For example Pais puts Einstein as a physics heavyweight. The
opposite is more correct.
Poincare discovered special relativity.
Most important, it was Poincare who first realized that Maxwell's
equations were invariant. It was Poincare who realized the magnificent
importance of Maxwell's equations.
Einsteins major contribution to physics was an early pioneer of
quantum physics which he later argued against.
Einstein did come up with GR, solo. But GR is closet attic space in
the quantum house of physics.
Einstein took away the glory of Bose. It should be the Bose
statistics.
Einstein because of his rejection of quantum physics will in the
future if not already be seen as a lightweight against the likes of
Pascual Jordan, Bohr, Heisenberg, and Pauli, and Dirac. The quantum
physicists were and will be the heavyweights of physics. Relativity
theory is all a subset of quantum theory.
Books such as Pais are bias. He paints Einstein above quantum
physicists and because of that Pais's books in my opinion are trash.
Hans Huttel
> In article <2jlac2$a...@balsam.unca.edu> kep...@photon.phys.unca.edu
> (Brad Kepley) writes:
>
>
> In article <1994Feb10...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
> jej...@vax1.mankato.msus.edu (Jon Jeckell, Mankato State University,
> MN) writes:
>
>> Actually, its how one brave German stood up to do what was
>> right--ie not ALL Germans (I myself am one ethnically) are neo-Nazi
>> bastards--like Einstein, Bohr, Heisenberg, etc. Now BACK TO PHYSICS!!
>
> It's funny that you put Bohr and Heisenberg together in your sentence.
> Didn't Bohr get pretty exasperated with Heisenberg's defense of
> the Nazis?
>
> And wasn't Bohr Danish, anyway??
Niels Bohr was indeed Danish. And what on earth is this thread doing
in a logic newsgroup, an engineering newsgroup and the sceptics'
newsgroup ?
[ I have redirected follow-ups to alt.revisionism. ]
Hans
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Thomas Kettenring
In article <CLDB4...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, bat...@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Laurence Gene Battin) writes:
>In article <1994Feb16.1...@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, Thomas Kettenring (kr...@physik.uni-kl.de) wrote:
>> In article <2jo2g5$j...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, et...@astro.as.utexas.edu (Ethan Vishniac) writes:
>> >Heisenberg was probably sympathetic to the Nazis. I say probably because
>> >there is a minority view (which I find unlikely) that he deliberately
>> >sabotaged the Nazi effort to make a useable atom bomb.
The minority that had that view contained Robert Jungk. (I looked it up.)
>> I got the above from a book "Deutsche und Juedische Physik" with texts by
>> Heisenberg. I can't remember the editor, but I'll look it up if there is
>> interest.
Interest or not, here it is:
"Deutsche und Juedische Physik", editor Helmut Rechenberg (Serie Piper,
Muenchen 1992); ISBN 3-492-11676-0
>There is another good book all about the efforts to build a German A-bomb,
>titled "The Virus House", I don't recall the author's name.
David Irving: The Virus House (William Kimber, London 1967)
What I'd like to know: Is this David Irving, British historian, the same David
Irving, British historian, that subsequently fell ill with holocaust
revisionism? If not it would be a strange coincidence.
William VanHorne
Ludwig Plutonium <Ludwig.P...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> Books such as Pais are bias. He paints Einstein above quantum
>physicists and because of that Pais's books in my opinion are trash.
Well, that's certainly enough for me. I had no idea that books such
as Pais are bias. I'll never waste my time with them.
---Bill VanHorne
Lee Rudolph
wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:
It's not so much the books you have to avoid as the lectures.
The bias in Pais is mainly on the dais.
Lee Rudolph
DaveHatunen
And watch out for the vessel with the pestle, the flagon with the
dragon is true, no wait, it's been changed, avoid the chalice from the
palace...
103t_e...@west.cscwc.pima.edu
> In article <CLF48...@umassd.edu> rud...@cis.umassd.edu (Lee Rudolph) writes:
>>In <2k0vbo$m...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
>>wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:
>>
>>>In article <2k0nr6$p...@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>,
>>>Ludwig Plutonium <Ludwig.P...@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>> Books such as Pais are bias. He paints Einstein above quantum
>>>>physicists and because of that Pais's books in my opinion are trash.
>>
>>>Well, that's certainly enough for me. I had no idea that books such
>>>as Pais are bias. I'll never waste my time with them.
>>
>>It's not so much the books you have to avoid as the lectures.
>>The bias in Pais is mainly on the dais.
>>
>>Lee Rudolph
>
> And watch out for the vessel with the pestle, the flagon with the
> dragon is true, no wait, it's been changed, avoid the chalice from the
> palace...
>
I was wondering if anyone else would come up with that...
I was looking for words that would fit with "is the paradigm that is true" but
got distracted...
Lawson
Brad Kepley
>
>PLEASE TAKE THIS DISCUSSION ELSEWHERE, THIS IS AN *** ENGINEERING *** GROUP
>
>
>
>>In article <2jlac2$a...@balsam.unca.edu>, kep...@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
Look guy, this is the second time I've pointed this out to you.
1) I was not the one who referenced this discussion to sci.engr. I replied
to this one in sci.physics and at the time I did not even belong to sci.engr.
I appolgize for not carefully looking over where the thing was being referenced
to, but as I said, I was making a reply, not an original post.
2) I have made no further comments on the original since it was pointed out
that it was going to an engineering group.
I appologize again for not carefully scrutinizing the original post for
all its references. Now why don't we just let it die a natural death?