Car exhaust cleanup question
LIoyd Parker
Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
Uncle Al
Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
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Uncle Al wrote:
>
> LIoyd Parker wrote:
> >
> > Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
> > Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
> > Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
> > NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
> > such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
> > CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
> > CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
> > to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
> > handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
> > evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
> >
> > Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
> > copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
> > autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
>
> Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
... or Lioyd, as above. Not of emory.edu.
LIoyd Parker
>> Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
>> Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
>> Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
>> NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
>> such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
>> CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
>> CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
>> to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
>> handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
>> evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
>> Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
>> copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
>> autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
> Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
> What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
CO4 is Carbon Tetroxide. CO12 is Carbon Duodec(a)oxide. Learn some science.
Uncle Al
Provide some bonding diagrams.
HikerAd
>Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
>Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
>Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
>NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
>such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
No such things as NO3, NO5, CO4, CO5 ......
N2O3 and N2O5 do exists
To split CO or CO2 back to C and O2 will reqire same amount of energy as was
genrated by their formation + process ineffecincy (assuming CO2 came from C +
O2). A loosing porposition at best!
Regards,
Steve Turner
>Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
>Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
>Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
>NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
>such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
>CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
>CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
>to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
>handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
>evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
Is this a joke? Please supply the punchline.
Steve Turner
Real address contains worldnet instead of spamnet
fkasner
Uncle Al wrote:
> LIoyd Parker wrote:
>
>>Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
>>Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
>>Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
>>NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
>>such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
>>CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
>>CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
>>to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
>>handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
>>evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
>>
>>Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
>>copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
>>autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
>
>
> Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
>
> What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
>
And where would the energy come from that would reduce the C of the COx
to C and the oxidize the O of COx to O2 ?
Double Christ!
FK
David B. Hedrick
benign compounds. Never ever ever. You are so smart to think of that the
very firstest time.
Your delusion is Uncle's fantasy - no catalytic converters.
Terry Wilder
"Uncle Al" <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
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Now for the million dollar question! Was he serious?
LIoyd Parker
> LIoyd Parker wrote:
> >
> > Uncle Al wrote:
> >
> > >> Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
> > >> Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
> > >> Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
> > >> NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
> > >> such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
> > >> CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
> > >> CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
> > >> to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
> > >> handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
> > >> evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
>
> > >> Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
> > >> copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
> > >> autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
>
> > > Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
> > > What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
> >
> > CO4 is Carbon Tetroxide. CO12 is Carbon Duodec(a)oxide. Learn some science.
>
> Provide some bonding diagrams.
Your ignorance is not my problem. Take a chemistry class.
Uncle Al
The ones I taught in organic synthesis, or other ones? Idiot.
Provide literature citations for CO4 and CO12 or stuff them back in
your thick vacuous skull.
hanson
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> > >
[Parky-pooh]
> > > >> Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
> > > >> Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
> > > >> Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
> > > >> NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
> > > >> such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
> > > >> CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
> > > >> CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
> > > >> to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
> > > >> handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
> > > >> evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
> >
> > > >> Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
> > > >> copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
> > > >> autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
> >
> > > > Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
> > > > What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
> > >
> > > CO4 is Carbon Tetroxide. CO12 is Carbon Duodec(a)oxide.
>
Hey, you dude, you parker_...@yahoo.de, doesn't that translate roughly
into "Lloyd Parker shits and yodels in Germany", or "Lloyd Parker yodels in a
shithouse in Germany" ?
The real Parky-pooh is or used to be chemistry professor at lpa...@emory.edu.
If you are the real Emory chem prof, then I worry about the state of chemistry.
Or has all the green shit Parky-pooh of Emory was preaching finally poisoned his
own brain with Carbon Tetroxide and or Carbon Duodec(a)oxide?
Either way, you green Parkys appear to be incandescent icons of enviro shit.
hanson
Ivana Fleischer
everything you wrote - impossible
and C could be diamond :)
and what about photosynthesis :)
Ivana.
Terry Wilder
"hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote in message
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You mean beware of those you imitate.
LIoyd Parker
> LIoyd Parker wrote:
> >
> > Uncle Al <Uncl...@hate.spam.net> wrote
> >
> > > LIoyd Parker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Uncle Al wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
> > > > >> Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
> > > > >> Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
> > > > >> NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
> > > > >> such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
> > > > >> CO3, CO4, CO12 etc? As an alternative, what about splitting the CO and
> > > > >> CO2 molecules to give O2 and elemental C? The O2 would be easy enough
> > > > >> to dispose of. The C would have to be in a form that would facilitate
> > > > >> handling. Perhaps it could be precipitated as a fine powder and
> > > > >> evacuated from a storage device onboard the vehicle when refuelling.
>
> > > > >> Either or both of these strategies could be used to help attain
> > > > >> copmliance with the Kyoto treaty, together with
> > > > >> autothermobarocatalytic fuels.
>
> > > > > Go back to taking your meds, Lloyd.
> > > > > What in Hell is CO4? CO12? Christ.
> > > >
> > > > CO4 is Carbon Tetroxide. CO12 is Carbon Duodec(a)oxide. Learn some science.
> > >
> > > Provide some bonding diagrams.
> >
> > Your ignorance is not my problem. Take a chemistry class.
>
> The ones I taught in organic synthesis, or other ones?
You are not welcome in the ones I teach in Georgia, you'll have to
find another source of knowledge on your own.
> Provide literature citations for CO4 and CO12
It's not my fault you can't recognize basic Choelman molecules. Learn
some science.
LIoyd Parker
Where there is car exhaust, there are lots of HC molecules floating
around. Use an autothermobarocatalytic fuel so the HC can be sheared,
precipitate out the elemental C, use the elemental H in a
high-temperature fuel cell with a semiosmotic, diodic membrane to
electrolyze the COx. Elemental C goes to storage, Ox + H -->H2O.
LIoyd Parker
> Parker wrote:
>
> >Three of the four major car exhaust constituents are CO, NOx and CO2.
> >Now, it is known that NOx is so written (and called "oxides of
> >Nitrogen") because "x" can have a great many values, e.g. NO2, NO3,
> >NO5, etc. Hasn't anyone ever thought of processing the exhaust gas
> >such that the CO and CO2 might be converted to more benign compounds?
>
> No such things as NO3, NO5, CO4, CO5 ......
Nitrogen Trioxide, Nitrogen Pentoxide, Carbon Tetroxide, Carbon Pent[a]oxide.
> To split CO or CO2 back to C and O2 will reqire same amount of energy as was
> genrated by their formation + process ineffecincy (assuming CO2 came from C +
> O2).
But it doesn't; it comes from sheared CO4 radicals.
LIoyd Parker
Learn some science, fool.
SNUMBER6
>It's not my fault you can't recognize basic Choelman molecules. Learn
>some science.
Choelman molecules ... google search ...
did not match any documents ...
care to give us ignorant people a reference ??
Be seeing you
In the Village
Number 6
Steve Turner
>Where there is car exhaust, there are lots of HC molecules floating
>around. Use an autothermobarocatalytic fuel so the HC can be sheared,
>precipitate out the elemental C, use the elemental H in a
>high-temperature fuel cell with a semiosmotic, diodic membrane to
>electrolyze the COx. Elemental C goes to storage, Ox + H -->H2O.
Why go to all the trouble? Just invent a car that runs without fuel.
After all, there's *lots* of free energy running around in the air ...
molecular vibrations and translations. Undoubtedly the only reason it
hasn't been done yet is because of Big Oil's Conspiracies. Be
careful!
Josh Halpern
josh halpern
Terry Wilder
"Steve Turner" <srtu...@spamnet.att.net> wrote in message
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It's his brilliant seminal solution to the greenhouse gas and flatulence
after dinner problem
Steve Turner
>It's his brilliant seminal solution to the greenhouse gas and flatulence
>after dinner problem
Sounds like brain flatulence to me....