NASA Spacecraft Mark Thirty Years of Flight (Voyager 1 & 2)
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Dwayne Brown
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RELEASE: 07-205
PIONEERING NASA SPACECRAFT MARK THIRTY YEARS OF FLIGHT
WASHINGTON - NASA's two venerable Voyager spacecraft are celebrating
three decades of flight as they head toward interstellar space. Their
ongoing odysseys mark an unprecedented and historic accomplishment.
Voyager 2 launched on Aug. 20, 1977, and Voyager 1 launched on Sept.
5, 1977. They continue to return information from distances more than
three times farther away than Pluto.
"The Voyager mission is a legend in the annals of space exploration.
It opened our eyes to the scientific richness of the outer solar
system, and it has pioneered the deepest exploration of the sun's
domain ever conducted," said Alan Stern, associate administrator for
NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. "It's a testament to
Voyager's designers, builders and operators that both spacecraft
continue to deliver important findings more than 25 years after their
primary mission to Jupiter and Saturn concluded."
During their first dozen years of flight, the spacecraft made
detailed
explorations of Jupiter, Saturn, and their moons, and conducted the
first explorations of Uranus and Neptune. These planets were
previously unknown worlds. The Voyagers returned never-before-seen
images and scientific data, making fundamental discoveries about the
outer planets and their moons. The spacecraft revealed Jupiter's
turbulent atmosphere, which includes dozens of interacting
hurricane-like storm systems, and erupting volcanoes on Jupiter's
moon Io. They also showed waves and fine structure in Saturn's icy
rings from the tugs of nearby moons.
For the past 19 years, the twin Voyagers have been probing the sun's
outer heliosphere and its boundary with interstellar space. Both
Voyagers remain healthy and are returning scientific data 30 years
after their launches.
Voyager 1 currently is the farthest human-made object at a distance
from the sun of about 9.7 billion miles. Voyager 2 is about 7.8
billion miles from the sun. Originally designed as a four-year
mission to Jupiter and Saturn, the Voyager tours were extended
because of their successful achievements and a rare planetary
alignment. The two-planet mission eventually became a four-planet
grand tour. After completing that extended mission, the two
spacecraft began the task of exploring the outer heliosphere.
"The Voyager mission has opened up our solar system in a way not
possible before the Space Age," said Edward Stone, Voyager project
scientist at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif.
"It revealed our neighbors in the outer solar system and showed us
how much there is to learn and how diverse the bodies are that share
the solar system with our own planet Earth."
In December 2004, Voyager 1 began crossing the solar system's final
frontier. Called the heliosheath, this turbulent area, approximately
8.7 billion miles from the sun, is where the solar wind slows as it
crashes into the thin gas that fills the space between stars. Voyager
2 could reach this boundary later this year, putting both Voyagers on
their final leg toward interstellar space.
Each spacecraft carries five fully functioning science instruments
that study the solar wind, energetic particles, magnetic fields and
radio waves as they cruise through this unexplored region of deep
space. The spacecraft are too far from the sun to use solar power.
They run on less than 300 watts, the amount of power needed to light
up a bright light bulb. Their long-lived radioisotope thermoelectric
generators provide the power.
"The continued operation of these spacecraft and the flow of data to
the scientists is a testament to the skills and dedication of the
small operations team," said Ed Massey, Voyager project manager at
NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. Massey oversees
a team of nearly a dozen people in the day-to-day Voyager spacecraft
operations.
The Voyagers call home via NASA's Deep Space Network, a system of
antennas around the world. The spacecraft are so distant that
commands from Earth, traveling at light speed, take 14 hours one-way
to reach Voyager 1 and 12 hours to reach Voyager 2. Each Voyager logs
approximately 1 million miles per day.
Each of the Voyagers carries a golden record that is a time capsule
with greetings, images and sounds from Earth. The records also have
directions on how to find Earth if the spacecraft is recovered by
something or someone.
NASA's next outer planet exploration mission is New Horizons, which
is
now well past Jupiter and headed for a historic exploration of the
Pluto system in July 2015.
For a complete listing of Voyager discoveries and mission
information,
visit the Internet at:
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Peter Munn
Mon, 20 Aug 2007:
>Voyager 1 currently is the farthest human-made object at a distance
>from the sun of about 9.7 billion miles. Voyager 2 is about 7.8
>billion miles from the sun. Originally designed as a four-year
>mission to Jupiter and Saturn, the Voyager tours were extended
>because of their successful achievements and a rare planetary
>alignment. The two-planet mission eventually became a four-planet
>grand tour.
It is of course nonsense to suggest Voyager 2 was designed only as a
four-year mission to Jupiter and Saturn - I knew about how the Voyager 2
mission was being planned to take advantage of the extremely infrequent
alignment of all the outer planets when I was still at school in the
early 1970s. But is it even true that the Uranus and Neptune encounters
were in an extended mission category? That much I could credit, but it
would still surprise me.
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robert casey
>
> It is of course nonsense to suggest Voyager 2 was designed only as a
> four-year mission to Jupiter and Saturn - I knew about how the Voyager 2
> mission was being planned to take advantage of the extremely infrequent
> alignment of all the outer planets when I was still at school in the
> early 1970s. But is it even true that the Uranus and Neptune encounters
> were in an extended mission category? That much I could credit, but it
> would still surprise me.
It was a budget thing. And if you can report to Congress that the probe
is working so well (beyond expectations) and it would only cost a little
more to bag Uranus and Neptune, well...
Dave Michelson
>
> It is of course nonsense to suggest Voyager 2 was designed only as a
> four-year mission to Jupiter and Saturn - I knew about how the
> Voyager 2 mission was being planned to take advantage of the
> extremely infrequent alignment of all the outer planets when I was
> still at school in the early 1970s. But is it even true that the
> Uranus and Neptune encounters were in an extended mission category?
> That much I could credit, but it would still surprise me.
Read the histories! Congress balked at funding the Grand Tour's TOPS
spacecraft and its STAR computer system, but grudgingly agreed to fund a
far less ambitious - and much cheaper - Mariner Jupiter-Saturn program.
(At the outset, JPLers were even carefully discouraged from mentioning
the possibility of going beyond Saturn in official documents or
presentations for fear of upsetting Congress.) Had Voyager 1's Titan
encounternot gone well, Voyager 2 would have had to take it on and that
would have eliminated the possibility of going to Uranus or Neptune.
Another thought: Had MJS been designed for a Neptune encounter, Voyager
engineers wouldn't have had to improvise as much as they did!
--
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Pat Flannery
robert casey wrote:
>
> It was a budget thing. And if you can report to Congress that the
> probe is working so well (beyond expectations) and it would only cost
> a little more to bag Uranus and Neptune, well...
I'll bet Senator Craig voted in favor of bagging Uranus. :-)
Pat
Julian Bordas
He voted by tapping his foot :-)
Proponent
I suspect there was an additional factor that killed the Grand Tour
and simultaneously restricted the Voyagers' official targets to
Jupiter and Saturn. That factor was NERVA, the nuclear engine, which
was strongly supported by Sen. Clinton Anderson of New Mexico.
NERVA's original purpose was to facilitate manned exploration of the
solar system. By the early 70s, however, it was clear that there
would be no manned missions beyond the moon for a long time. Seeking
to sustain NERVA, Anderson tried to justify it as a means for sending
unmanned missions to Uranus and beyond. Since the Grand Tour offered a
way to reach the outer planets in a reasonable time *without* NERVA,
Anderson, despite his generally strong support for space, opposed the
Tour and any other non-NERVA trans-Uranian mission.
In retrospect its clear that NASA's original Grand Tour proposal was
overkill and would have been very expensive. In retrospect, it's also
a shame that Voyager 1 went to Titan rather than Pluto. The Titan
flyby revealed little, because of Titan's cloud cover. The decision
to visit Titan is quite understandable, however, given that there was
no certainty that Voyager 1 would still be operating by the time it
reached Pluto. If I could re-write history, I'd have had NASA launch
3 Voyagers, one of them flying by Titan and another going on to Pluto.
Eric Chomko
I bet you think twice about eating a potato from Idaho...
Eric Chomko
And little did we know that the Cassini-Huygens mission was going to
be so successful and timely. Given the state of events with planetary
exploration sending New Horizons (http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/) to Pluto
is the next logical step.
Neil Gerace
> PIONEERING NASA SPACECRAFT MARK THIRTY YEARS OF FLIGHT
Is zero-thrust coasting 'flight'? It wouldn't be called that if it
happened here on Earth. Just sayin'.
Julian Bordas
Is any spaceflight "flight"?
Julian
Pat Flannery
Julian Bordas wrote:
>>
>> Is zero-thrust coasting 'flight'? It wouldn't be called that if it
>> happened here on Earth. Just sayin'.
>>
>
> Is any spaceflight "flight"?
> Julian
There is no "up" or "down" in space.
For that matter, there is no "right" or "left" either.
Or "in" and "out".
Or "right" and "wrong".
Let's face it...space is seriously fucked up. :-)
Pat
GrassyNoel
>
> Let's face it...space is seriously fucked up. :-)
and down :)
Peter Munn
6 Sep 2007:
>"Neil Gerace" <ger...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
>> Is zero-thrust coasting 'flight'? It wouldn't be called that if it
>> happened here on Earth. Just sayin'.
[...]
>In that sense, spaceflight is sustained movement through space with the
>beginning at the point in time when you leave the earth and the ending at
>the point in time when you contact any heavenly body (earth, moon, planet,
>etc.).
>
>Of course, this is all in my own words, and may not match the "official"
>definition of spaceflight, so YMMV.
You could read something "official" into the MERs' computer programs
still being called "flight software" forty-odd months after landing.
This one always gets me!
Peter
Peter Munn
Sep 2007:
>I suspect there was an additional factor that killed the Grand Tour
>and simultaneously restricted the Voyagers' official targets to
>Jupiter and Saturn. That factor was NERVA, the nuclear engine, which
>was strongly supported by Sen. Clinton Anderson of New Mexico.
>NERVA's original purpose was to facilitate manned exploration of the
>solar system. By the early 70s, however, it was clear that there
>would be no manned missions beyond the moon for a long time. Seeking
>to sustain NERVA, Anderson tried to justify it as a means for sending
>unmanned missions to Uranus and beyond. Since the Grand Tour offered a
>way to reach the outer planets in a reasonable time *without* NERVA,
>Anderson, despite his generally strong support for space, opposed the
>Tour and any other non-NERVA trans-Uranian mission.
That's interesting, but now I look at it, I can conceive merits in an
argument being made from a 1970 perspective: that thinking that "we had
to take advantage of this once-in-a-millennium alignment" was not taking
account of continuing technology advances that would (surely) make early
1970s space travel limitations seem trivial within a generation. We now
know that our abilities to get about in space are only just beginning to
show substantial improvement over 35 years ago, whereas the previous 20
years had seen rocketry advance to the limits of its generation's
imagination. With hindsight it is very clear we would have regretted
not taking advantage of the planetary alignment. I'm prepared to
concede it wasn't so obvious at the time.
Peter Munn
Tue, 4 Sep 2007:
>Peter Munn wrote:
>> It is of course nonsense to suggest Voyager 2 was designed only as a
>> four-year mission to Jupiter and Saturn. But is it even true that the
>> Uranus and Neptune encounters were in an extended mission category?
>
>Read the histories! Congress balked at funding the Grand Tour's TOPS
>spacecraft and its STAR computer system, but grudgingly agreed to fund a
>far less ambitious - and much cheaper - Mariner Jupiter-Saturn program.
>(At the outset, JPLers were even carefully discouraged from mentioning
>the possibility of going beyond Saturn in official documents or
>presentations for fear of upsetting Congress.) Had Voyager 1's Titan
>encounternot gone well, Voyager 2 would have had to take it on and that
>would have eliminated the possibility of going to Uranus or Neptune.
Very interesting! I didn't know of that history, and it seems I should
have distinguished the outline design of the mission from the design of
the spacecraft. Clearly JPL managed to keep Voyager 2's flight plan and
timing compatible with gravity assist to Uranus. (From the press
release wording, anyone who didn't know better would be forgiven for
thinking the timing was wholly serendipitous).
Anyway, I find it difficult to escape the conclusion that the timing
wasn't the only mission design feature that was preserved from the more
ambitious plans - I mean, for spacecraft for a four-year long mission,
their core functions seem remarkably intact after 30 years!
>Another thought: Had MJS been designed for a Neptune encounter, Voyager
>engineers wouldn't have had to improvise as much as they did!
In some ways, this seems to justify a funder's scepticism of grander
plans - a few months of clever thinking will find a way to make up for
tens or even hundreds of millions of denied expenditure once it becomes
clear that improvisation is the only way.
snidely
> On 4 Sep, 02:53, Dave Michelson <da...@ece.ubc.ca> wrote:
> > Read the histories! Congress balked at funding the Grand Tour's TOPS
> > spacecraft and its STAR computer system,
>
> I suspect there was an additional factor that killed the Grand Tour
> and simultaneously restricted the Voyagers' official targets to
> Jupiter and Saturn. That factor was NERVA, the nuclear engine, which
> was strongly supported by Sen. Clinton Anderson of New Mexico.
And I say it was the Popular Science write-up of STAR that shocked
Congress, and eroded support.
(I was in Junior High, then, so it would be an issue from '66 or '67,
or early '68. I remember in 1989 someone at work being able to get
some of the early encounter images from JPL, and posting them on their
cube wall. Saturn, I think? Nope, solarsystem.nasa.gov tells me it
was Neptune in the dog days of August.)
/dps
cfl...@hotmail.com
>
At some point, there was talk about launching a third MJS in 1979 that
would go on to Uranus (Neptune not mentioned) from Jupiter, but
nothing came of it.
Peter Munn
Sep 2007:
>> I suspect there was an additional factor that killed the Grand Tour
>> and simultaneously restricted the Voyagers' official targets to
>> Jupiter and Saturn. That factor was NERVA, the nuclear engine, which
>> was strongly supported by Sen. Clinton Anderson of New Mexico.
>
>And I say it was the Popular Science write-up of STAR that shocked
>Congress, and eroded support.
Would you like to give detail? Exactly what about the write-up would
they have found shocking?
>I remember in 1989 someone at work being able to get
>some of the early encounter images from JPL, and posting them on their
>cube wall.
Well, as Neptune is dear to my heart for reasons other than interest in
astronomy (Mr Neptune being an anagram of my name), I've had a montage
of "The Blue Giant" from _Astronomy Now_ on my office wall since not
long after then.
Snidely
wrote:
[...]
> >And I say it was the Popular Science write-up of STAR that shocked
> >Congress, and eroded support.
>
> Would you like to give detail? Exactly what about the write-up would
> they have found shocking?
Now that I've pulled your leg, do you want a chair?
Congress already knew that Readers of Popular Science Are Easy to
Impress With Anything Space (except those that only read Smokey's
Garage), and probably had a clearer idea of the budget issues than the
article writer did.
But rarely do I turn down an opportunity to be facetious.
Oh, and how do you keep your Neptune poster in good shape? Did you
frame it? Is it a magazine foldout poster, or a real poster? And how
hard would be for me to lift it off the wall?
/dps
Kathy Rages
Peter Munn <spamfilter-use-...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Anyway, I find it difficult to escape the conclusion that the timing
>wasn't the only mission design feature that was preserved from the more
>ambitious plans - I mean, for spacecraft for a four-year long mission,
>their core functions seem remarkably intact after 30 years!
Indeed.
"Why is there a Reed-Salomon encoder on this spacecraft?"
"Uh, uh, uh . . . the rain in Spain! Yes! It might be raining in
Spain (or Australia, or even Goldstone) during Jupiter encounter. And
that would do terrible things to the downlink S/N. So that's why we
need it."
As I recall, this was at least part of the reason actually given for
retaining it.
--
Kathy Rages
Peter Munn
Sep 2007:
>> >And I say it was the Popular Science write-up of STAR that shocked
>> >Congress, and eroded support.
>>
>> Would you like to give detail? Exactly what about the write-up would
>> they have found shocking?
>
>Now that I've pulled your leg, do you want a chair?
Well, from what I hear from 3000 miles distant, very little would
surprise me about what might influence some US politicians - maybe I
shouldn't be so cynical.
>Oh, and how do you keep your Neptune poster in good shape? Did you
>frame it? Is it a magazine foldout poster, or a real poster?
Oh, none of the above - the point is it's there because it's Neptune.
robert casey
>
> "Why is there a Reed-Salomon encoder on this spacecraft?"
> "Uh, uh, uh . . . the rain in Spain! Yes! It might be raining in
> Spain (or Australia, or even Goldstone) during Jupiter encounter. And
> that would do terrible things to the downlink S/N. So that's why we
> need it."
>
I thought that was a bit of software that was uploaded to the probe
after it was in flight. Not embedded in firmware on the ground before
launch.
Eric Chomko
> In article <M5KrnJABgI4GF...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk>,
> Peter Munn <spamfilter-use-same-subjectl...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Anyway, I find it difficult to escape the conclusion that the timing
> >wasn't the only mission design feature that was preserved from the more
> >ambitious plans - I mean, for spacecraft for a four-year long mission,
> >their core functions seem remarkably intact after 30 years!
>
> Indeed.
>
> "Why is there a Reed-Salomon encoder on this spacecraft?"
> "Uh, uh, uh . . . the rain in Spain! Yes! It might be raining in
> Spain (or Australia, or even Goldstone) during Jupiter encounter. And
> that would do terrible things to the downlink S/N. So that's why we
> need it."
>
> As I recall, this was at least part of the reason actually given for
> retaining it.
That's Reed-Solomon. I know how to spell it but couldn't tell you how
it works. :)
Eric
>
> --
> Kathy Rages
Eric Chomko
I think you're talking about compensating for the fact that the scan
platform couldn't rotate any longer as they suspected a piece of sand
froze the mechanism. And they sent up commands to compensate for the
lack of movement. This is simlar to what happens when the loose a gyro
or two or three (IUE).
Eric
Eric Chomko
And what time is it? I mean who picked a tiny town in England as the
official as pect of time anyway?
Bill Owen
The incident Eric referred to was the jamming of the azimuth actuator on
Voyager 2 near the time of its crossing of Saturn's ring plane. They
were able to free it eventually, and it worked fine at both Uranus and
Neptune, although there were contingency sequences built (but not
executed) which would have worked around it.
It's routine to do updates and patches to flight software. (Ground
software too, of course.) They had to upload a quick fix to Voyager 2 a
few days before the Uranus encounter, in order to hop over a stuck bit
in memory. This caused all the pictures to exhibit horizontal stripes.
But the most far-reaching FSW change I know of happened on Galileo, not
Voyager -- they had to reprogram the camera readout software to do its
own rudimentary image analysis in real time, as the picture was being
read out, so that for optical navigation images only pieces of the
target satellite's limb and terminator and "snip boxes" around reference
stars would be saved and downlinked. This change was of course
necessitated by the failure of Galileo's high-gain antenna to deploy.
-- Bill Owen
Peter Munn
Sep 2007
[robert casey:]
>>> I thought that was a bit of software that was uploaded to the probe
>>> after it was in flight. Not embedded in firmware on the ground before
>>> launch.
>>
>> I think you're talking about compensating for the fact that the scan
>> platform couldn't rotate any longer as they suspected a piece of sand
>> froze the mechanism. And they sent up commands to compensate for the
>> lack of movement. This is simlar to what happens when the loose a gyro
>> or two or three (IUE).
>
>The incident Eric referred to was the jamming of the azimuth actuator on
>Voyager 2 near the time of its crossing of Saturn's ring plane. They
>were able to free it eventually, and it worked fine at both Uranus and
>Neptune, although there were contingency sequences built (but not
>executed) which would have worked around it.
>
>It's routine to do updates and patches to flight software.
... for which reason I would tend to believe Robert's view about the
encoder, unless anyone knows better (other than someone trying to read
Robert's mind).
Neil Gerace
> And what time is it? I mean who picked a tiny town in England as the
> official as pect of time anyway?
IIRC it was the scientific hub of the world's largest city at the time.
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
Not that so much as that's where the observatory was.
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Eric Chomko
wrote:
> Leafing through alt.sci.planetary, I read Bill Owen's message of Mon, 10
> Sep 2007
> [robert casey:]
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> I thought that was a bit of software that was uploaded to the probe
> >>> after it was in flight. Not embedded in firmware on the ground before
> >>> launch.
>
> >> I think you're talking about compensating for the fact that the scan
> >> platform couldn't rotate any longer as they suspected a piece of sand
> >> froze the mechanism. And they sent up commands to compensate for the
> >> lack of movement. This is simlar to what happens when the loose a gyro
> >> or two or three (IUE).
>
> >The incident Eric referred to was the jamming of the azimuth actuator on
> >Voyager 2 near the time of its crossing of Saturn's ring plane. They
> >were able to free it eventually, and it worked fine at both Uranus and
> >Neptune, although there were contingency sequences built (but not
> >executed) which would have worked around it.
>
> >It's routine to do updates and patches to flight software.
>
> ... for which reason I would tend to believe Robert's view about the
> encoder, unless anyone knows better (other than someone trying to read
> Robert's mind).
Reed-Solomon is an error-correction scheme and is not the sort of
thing that gets decided as an addition after launch. Data formats have
RS symbols (or room for them) embedded inside the transfer frames from
space to ground. Having RS encoding for error correction is a decison
that is done way up front during the requirements phase of a mission
years before launch.
Sending up changes to the flight software is a reprogramming step to
on-board computers when loss of resources or faults occur with
spacecraft hardware after launch. Loss of gyros is the best example I
can think of. A lot of this is related to attitude and control of the
spacecraft and instruments NOT the actual data or data formats of
downlinked telemetry of which RS is embedded to correct.
Eric
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Eric Chomko
Greenwich? Surely we have evolved since then?
I like the Zulu reference myself. :)
Eric Chomko
<mooregr_deletet...@greenms.com> wrote:
> "Neil Gerace" <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:1189695212.5...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 11, 2:11 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> And what time is it? I mean who picked a tiny town in England as the
> >> official as pect of time anyway?
>
> > IIRC it was the scientific hub of the world's largest city at the time.
>
> Not that so much as that's where the observatory was.
Well Judea, where Jesus lived, should have been picked to be
consistent with how we keep track of years. Or perhaps Rome where the
Julian day (number) was selected/referenced.
Eric
Dave Michelson
>
> Reed-Solomon is an error-correction scheme and is not the sort of
> thing that gets decided as an addition after launch. Data formats have
> RS symbols (or room for them) embedded inside the transfer frames from
> space to ground. Having RS encoding for error correction is a decison
> that is done way up front during the requirements phase of a mission
> years before launch.
Sorry, not true. See any decent history on the Voyager craft.
--
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da...@ece.ubc.ca
Neil Gerace
One would think the USA would have moved to SI by now, by the same
reasoning :-)
Jan Panteltje
<ger...@webace.com.au> wrote in
<1189821342....@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
mm UK has just decided not to go metric, like the rest of the EU,
but stay with the pint and mile.
See what alcohol can do?
>
>
robert casey
>
>
> One would think the USA would have moved to SI by now, by the same
> reasoning :-)
>
In a way we have, as we in the USA define inches and so on in terms of
metric units. "1 inch is exactly 2.54 cm long".
N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)
"robert casey" <wa2...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:13eod4n...@corp.supernews.com...
But we managed to end up with *two* different foot measures.
One defined by 12 inches, and 39.37 inches per meter. (U.S.
Survey foot.)
One defined by 1 inch = 2.54 cm, and 12 inches per foot.
(International foot.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_(unit_of_length)
David A. Smith
Eric Chomko
Why not provide a link? The last five missions I have worked on all
had RS error correction and each was designed to have it during the
requirements phase of the missions.
Eric
>
> --
> Dave Michelson
> da...@ece.ubc.ca
Eric Chomko
We'll do that when our red and blue states start turning purple.
Eric Chomko
> On a sunny day (Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:55:42 -0700) it happened Neil Gerace
> <1189821342.073230.22...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sep 14, 2:29 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sep 13, 10:53 am, Neil Gerace <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> > On Sep 11, 2:11 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> > > And what time is it? I mean who picked a tiny town in England as the
> >> > > official as pect of time anyway?
>
> >> > IIRC it was the scientific hub of the world's largest city at the time.
>
> >> Greenwich? Surely we have evolved since then?
>
> >> I like the Zulu reference myself. :)
>
> >One would think the USA would have moved to SI by now, by the same
> >reasoning :-)
>
> mm UK has just decided not to go metric, like the rest of the EU,
> but stay with the pint and mile.
> See what alcohol can do?
>
>
>
Sounds more like an issue of drinking and driving.
Eric Chomko
He's right you know. See here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=2.54+centimeters
Androcles
"Eric Chomko" <pne.c...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1190053961....@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
We in Britain define centimetres and so on in terms of imperial units.
1 centimetre (which differs from a centimeter, being French) is
exactly 0.3937007874015748031496062992126 inches long.
Similarly we in Britain define a ton as 2240 lbs, different to the
American short ton of 2000 lbs.
16 oz = 1 lb
14 lbs = 1 stone
8 stone = 1 cwt (hundredweight)
20 cwt = 1 ton
14 * 8 * 20 = 2240
Presumably a USA cwt is 100 lbs.
We don't need to count on our fingers like the French, you see.
Kathy Rages
Quoting from an interview with Raymond Heacock (I think, there are pages
missing from Google's online version) in "Voyager Tales: Personal Views
of the Grand Tour" by David W. Swift:
"While the Voyagers were built with the primary objective of carrying out
the Jupiter and Saturn explorations, the hope of going to Uranus and Neptune
was always present. As a hedge against prime mission communication problems
and as a potential enhancement for the Uranus and Neptune encounters, we
built certain extra hardware into the spacecrafts. We added a Reed-Solomon
data encoder to the FDS but did not test it before launch. After the Saturn
encounters the Reed-Solomon encoder was verified to be operational and the
project set about to develop the ground software to decommutate Reed-Solomon
encoded data instead of the baseline Golay encoded data."
--
Kathy Rages
Peter Munn
Sat, 15 Sep 2007:
>mm UK has just decided not to go metric, like the rest of the EU,
I don't know which story you read, but one I heard these last few weeks
was that the EU would not be pushing the UK to enforce metrication on
the minority of traders that are refusing to price and weigh consumer
goods in kg. These are small traders, and I suspect nearly all of them
are over 50 years old, resisting something which is new and foreign to
them and their older customers.
This amounts to allowing the older "imperial" measures to continue a
slow lingering death, instead of taking a knife to their throat.
Although at the consumer interface you can still find imperial measures,
all engineering and science has been done in metric here for a
generation, and our slow metrication process will grind on regardlessly:
not because of the EU or the current UK government, but because of a
single crucial decision taken by a government in the 1960s - the
decision to switch entirely to teaching the metric system in schools.
Over 80% of the current UK workforce were taught in metric at school,
and by 2015 it will be about 95%.
>but stay with the pint and mile.
Yes, beer is still sold in pints, but then horses are still measured in
hands for that matter (and hands didn't even make it into the amazingly
long list of imperial units I learnt at school before the switch).
Pints of beer are traditional, like many of the outmoded but wonderful
old buildings the beer is served in, and long live tradition!
The mile is the interesting case. If you look at UK road running races,
where no official bodies are putting pressure either way (so individual
race organisers are free to put on whatever races they think will
appeal), the picture is mixed. On the day of this year's London
Marathon, _Athletics Weekly_ magazine listed two other marathons, four
races of 10km, and a 5km race. The Sunday before was also mostly
metric, but the Sunday after was more mixed: two races of 10km, a 4 mile
race, a 5 mile race, a half marathon and a marathon. Five weeks
beforehand the mile-based races outnumbered the km-based races by five
to two.
So, why are our road distance signs invariably in miles, lagging behind
the rest of the UK metrication process? Possibly for this reason: there
is nothing unusual in people not liking being forced to change from the
familiar (preferring to do so if and when they so decide for
themselves), but road signs are put up directly by government
authorities and so the political backlash is more direct than with the
sizing of cereal packets (for instance). But there is something else:
the related difficulty of changing to speed limits measured in km per
hour.
Changing distance signs might make someone grumpy or even late for an
appointment, but changing speed limit signs could kill, and almost
certainly will kill - no matter how carefully the changeover is managed
- and those killed will be seen to include young children and other
vulnerable people, and that prospect will make almost every politician
balk.
Jorge R. Frank
>
> So, why are our road distance signs invariably in miles, lagging behind
> the rest of the UK metrication process? Possibly for this reason: there
> is nothing unusual in people not liking being forced to change from the
> familiar (preferring to do so if and when they so decide for
> themselves), but road signs are put up directly by government
> authorities and so the political backlash is more direct than with the
> sizing of cereal packets (for instance). But there is something else:
> the related difficulty of changing to speed limits measured in km per
> hour.
>
> Changing distance signs might make someone grumpy or even late for an
> appointment, but changing speed limit signs could kill, and almost
> certainly will kill - no matter how carefully the changeover is managed
> - and those killed will be seen to include young children and other
> vulnerable people, and that prospect will make almost every politician
> balk.
This smacks of "Do as I say, not as I do." Not that this is unique to
the UK - such attitudes within government are rampant in the US. In fact
I found it strangely reassuring, in a twisted way.
And of course, this attitude presupposes that only governments do things
that could result in life-and-death situations if the units were
changed, and that the private sector does not. As a nice little bonus,
the US government rarely shields companies from liability for the
consequences of complying with such government dictates, leaving them to
the tender mercies of the insane tort system in the US.
Jan Panteltje
<pmun...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk> wrote in
<Ht0pCOA1...@pearce-neptune.demon.co.uk>:
>Leafing through alt.sci.planetary, I read Jan Panteltje's message of
>Sat, 15 Sep 2007:
>
>>mm UK has just decided not to go metric, like the rest of the EU,
..
>So, why are our road distance signs invariably in miles, lagging behind
>the rest of the UK metrication process? Possibly for this reason: there
>is nothing unusual in people not liking being forced to change from the
>familiar (preferring to do so if and when they so decide for
>themselves), but road signs are put up directly by government
>authorities and so the political backlash is more direct than with the
>sizing of cereal packets (for instance). But there is something else:
>the related difficulty of changing to speed limits measured in km per
AND THEY DRIVE ON THE WRONG SIDE TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eric Chomko
> In article <13e47ctjc82j...@corp.supernews.com>,
The point is that the piece of hardware that was RS encoder was on
Voyager before it launched. By the time they got to Uranus they got it
to work due to no time for testing prior to the launch.
Eric
>
> --
> Kathy Rages
Dr J R Stockton
co.uk>, Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:57:05, Androcles <Engi...@hogwarts.physics>
posted:
>We in Britain define centimetres and so on in terms of imperial units.
>1 centimetre (which differs from a centimeter, being French) is
>exactly 0.3937007874015748031496062992126 inches long.
Incorrect. The Imperial units, sometime within c20, were redefined in
terms of metric. The Yard is now 0.9144 metres exactly, from which the
Inch is 25.4 mm. Therefore, the figure you give is only an
approximation; a better one is
. .
0.3937007874015748031496062992125984251968503937007874015748031496062992
^
where the caret marks the position at which the digits begin to repeat.
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Androcles
"Dr J R Stockton" <j...@merlyn.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Y98XPxFo...@invalid.uk.co.demon.merlyn.invalid...
: In sci.space.history message <56AHi.228441$p7.7...@fe2.news.blueyonder.
: co.uk>, Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:57:05, Androcles <Engi...@hogwarts.physics>
: posted:
:
: >We in Britain define centimetres and so on in terms of imperial units.
: >1 centimetre (which differs from a centimeter, being French) is
: >exactly 0.3937007874015748031496062992126 inches long.
:
: Incorrect. The Imperial units, sometime within c20, were redefined in
: terms of metric. The Yard is now 0.9144 metres exactly, from which the
: Inch is 25.4 mm. Therefore, the figure you give is only an
: approximation; a better one is
: . .
: 0.3937007874015748031496062992125984251968503937007874015748031496062992
: ^
: where the caret marks the position at which the digits begin to repeat.
Yeah, ok. <yawn>
I've redefined Algol from a binary star to a star with a planet.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm
If you want to make it metric so that you can count on your fingers
and toes I don't mind. Redefined any cubits lately?
Neil Gerace
wrote:
> These are small traders, and I suspect nearly all of them
> are over 50 years old, resisting something which is new and foreign to
> them and their older customers.
It's quite strange that those same people, and there were lots of them
here too, learned to use decimal currency so quickly.
> Yes, beer is still sold in pints, but then horses are still measured in
> hands for that matter
But not to the same precision. The difference between 100mm and 4
inches is immaterial in the case of the hand as a unit of measurement,
but giving someone 570mL of beer and charging for a pint might make
some people upset.
> Changing distance signs might make someone grumpy or even late for an
> appointment, but changing speed limit signs could kill, and almost
> certainly will kill
Drivers who cannot adapt to conditions that change so slowly, unlike
say weather and traffic, probably shouldn't drive.
Neil Gerace
> Redefined any cubits lately?
"What's a cubit?" - Bill Cosby as Noah
Androcles
"Neil Gerace" <ger...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
news:1190203489.8...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
: On Sep 19, 3:59 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > Redefined any cubits lately?
:
: "What's a cubit?" - Bill Cosby as Noah
Yes, quite.
http://www.robertlomas.com/megyard/index.html
"It is interesting to note that the curious British measurement unit known
as a 'rod' or a 'pole' is equal to 6 megalithic yards to an accuracy of one
percent. (Which is about the same order of magnitude as the standard error
of creation of the unit). There are 4 rods to a chain and 80 chains to a
mile. Could it be that the modern mile of 1760 yards is actually based on
the prehistoric measure of the Megalithic Yard? "
There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between wickets
of a cricket pitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch
The French and Americans don't play cricket.
Eric Chomko
> "Neil Gerace" <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:1190203489.8...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 19, 3:59 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > Redefined any cubits lately?
> :
> : "What's a cubit?" - Bill Cosby as Noah
> :
>
> Yes, quite.
>
> http://www.robertlomas.com/megyard/index.html
> "It is interesting to note that the curious British measurement unit known
> as a 'rod' or a 'pole' is equal to 6 megalithic yards to an accuracy of one
> percent. (Which is about the same order of magnitude as the standard error
> of creation of the unit). There are 4 rods to a chain and 80 chains to a
> mile. Could it be that the modern mile of 1760 yards is actually based on
> the prehistoric measure of the Megalithic Yard? "
>
> There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between wickets
>
>
> The French and Americans don't play cricket.
Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball which
is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days. That
way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
chaps were watching your empire shrink.
Androcles
: On Sep 19, 8:45 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Neil Gerace" <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
: >
: > news:1190203489.8...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Sep 19, 3:59 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > : > Redefined any cubits lately?
: > :
: > : "What's a cubit?" - Bill Cosby as Noah
: > :
: >
: > Yes, quite.
: >
: > http://www.robertlomas.com/megyard/index.html
: > "It is interesting to note that the curious British measurement unit
known
: > as a 'rod' or a 'pole' is equal to 6 megalithic yards to an accuracy of
one
: > percent. (Which is about the same order of magnitude as the standard
error
: > of creation of the unit). There are 4 rods to a chain and 80 chains to a
: > mile. Could it be that the modern mile of 1760 yards is actually based
on
: > the prehistoric measure of the Megalithic Yard? "
: >
: > There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between wickets
: >
: > of a cricket pitch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch
: >
: > The French and Americans don't play cricket.
:
: Who has a few days to play a game?
We do, we are resting on our laurels.
: We Americans created baseball which
: is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
"Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct "Massachusetts
game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
: That
: way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
: chaps were watching your empire shrink.
The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the American
arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses) from the
Japs and Krauts.
This is an ass:
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1004/50242917.JPG
This is an arse:
http://www.shardcore.org/shardcorner/arse.jpg
The industrial revolution was well underway with the building of this
bridge:
http://www.igreens.org.uk/IronBridge2.jpg
In 1773, Thomas Pritchard wrote to a local ironmaster, John Wilkinson of
Broseley to suggest building a bridge out of cast iron. By 1775, Pritchard
had finalised the plans, and Abraham Darby III, an ironmaster working at
Coalbrookdale in the gorge, was commissioned to cast and build the bridge.
Then in 1776 you naughty Yanks decided to become rebels and give up
cricket. You can be forgiven for the rebellion but not the loss of cricket
which is played in India and Australia, NZ and SA today.
"Literature begins, for cricket, suddenly, unexpectedly and fully grown,
like Minerva from the head of Jupiter, in a Latin poem of 95 lines on a
rural cricket match that was written by William Goldwin and published in his
Musae Juveniles in March 1706. "
http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/89662.html
GrassyNoel
> Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball which
> is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days. That
> way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> chaps were watching your empire shrink.
1. Baseball isn't a descendant of cricket. Both of these games plus
croquet are descendants of any number of stick-and-ball games played
in England in the 16th century, including rounders and 'base ball'.
2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
GrassyNoel
> Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball
Bzzt. Baseball is as English as something that's very English.
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190229321....@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 19, 8:45 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > "Neil Gerace" <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote in message
> : >
> : >news:1190203489.8...@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> : > : On Sep 19, 3:59 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > : > Redefined any cubits lately?
> : > :
> : > : "What's a cubit?" - Bill Cosby as Noah
> : > :
> : >
> : > Yes, quite.
> : >
> : > http://www.robertlomas.com/megyard/index.html
> : > "It is interesting to note that the curious British measurement unit
> known
> : > as a 'rod' or a 'pole' is equal to 6 megalithic yards to an accuracy of
> one
> : > percent. (Which is about the same order of magnitude as the standard
> error
> : > of creation of the unit). There are 4 rods to a chain and 80 chains to a
> : > mile. Could it be that the modern mile of 1760 yards is actually based
> on
> : > the prehistoric measure of the Megalithic Yard? "
> : >
> : > There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between wickets
> : >
> : > of a cricket pitch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch
> : >
> : > The French and Americans don't play cricket.
> :
> : Who has a few days to play a game?
>
> We do, we are resting on our laurels.
That is quite a rest...
>
> : We Americans created baseball which
> : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
>
> No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
> "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct "Massachusetts
> game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
>
Softball evolved from baseball.
> : That
> : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
>
> The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the American
> arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses) from the
> Japs and Krauts.
Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
America. Who save whom again?
> This is an ass:
> http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1004/50242917.JPG
> This is an arse:
> http://www.shardcore.org/shardcorner/arse.jpg
>
> The industrial revolution was well underway with the building of this
> bridge:
> http://www.igreens.org.uk/IronBridge2.jpg
>
> In 1773, Thomas Pritchard wrote to a local ironmaster, John Wilkinson of
> Broseley to suggest building a bridge out of cast iron. By 1775, Pritchard
> had finalised the plans, and Abraham Darby III, an ironmaster working at
> Coalbrookdale in the gorge, was commissioned to cast and build the bridge.
> Then in 1776 you naughty Yanks decided to become rebels and give up
> cricket. You can be forgiven for the rebellion but not the loss of cricket
> which is played in India and Australia, NZ and SA today.
>
> "Literature begins, for cricket, suddenly, unexpectedly and fully grown,
> like Minerva from the head of Jupiter, in a Latin poem of 95 lines on a
> rural cricket match that was written by William Goldwin and published in his
> Musae Juveniles in March 1706. "
> http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/89662.html
I love it! UK-centric history.
Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
average Brit?
Eric Chomko
Where is the bowler or pitcher in croquet? Surely a ball being thrown
toward a batter/batsman to get him out is unique to both baseball and
cricket? Clean-bowled vs. strike out. Innings and overs. Wicket and
the plate.
> 2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
No, we just took it to a whole new level.
Eric Chomko
Yet the Japanese play it more than any one in England ever has. And
the world combined doesn't play baseball as much as America does.
Androcles
We've earned it, teaching you lot English. You still don't have
it quite right saying ass when you mean arse, but close enough.
:
: >
: > : We Americans created baseball which
: > : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
: >
: > No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
: > "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct "Massachusetts
: > game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
: >
:
: Softball evolved from baseball.
Yeah, and baseball is a British game evolved from rounders.
: > : That
: > : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
: > : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
: >
: > The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the American
: > arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses) from
the
: > Japs and Krauts.
:
: Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
: America. Who save whom again?
We saved you, the Krauts and Japs had you in a pincer movement.
You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
change your light-bulbs for you?
How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
: > This is an ass:
: > http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/1004/50242917.JPG
: > This is an arse:
: > http://www.shardcore.org/shardcorner/arse.jpg
: >
: > The industrial revolution was well underway with the building of this
: > bridge:
: > http://www.igreens.org.uk/IronBridge2.jpg
: >
: > In 1773, Thomas Pritchard wrote to a local ironmaster, John Wilkinson of
: > Broseley to suggest building a bridge out of cast iron. By 1775,
Pritchard
: > had finalised the plans, and Abraham Darby III, an ironmaster working at
: > Coalbrookdale in the gorge, was commissioned to cast and build the
bridge.
: > Then in 1776 you naughty Yanks decided to become rebels and give up
: > cricket. You can be forgiven for the rebellion but not the loss of
cricket
: > which is played in India and Australia, NZ and SA today.
: >
: > "Literature begins, for cricket, suddenly, unexpectedly and fully grown,
: > like Minerva from the head of Jupiter, in a Latin poem of 95 lines on a
: > rural cricket match that was written by William Goldwin and published in
his
: > Musae Juveniles in March 1706. "
: > http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/89662.html
:
: I love it! UK-centric history.
Of course, we wrote it.
http://www.franklyncards.com/one/hist1.htm
You Yanks don't have any history.
My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
memory.
: Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
: average Brit?
Quite often, yes. We taught them well, but it's the ozzies that are
on top today. They are tanned more than us, too.
"God bless goddamned America." - Yonko
Androcles
: On Sep 20, 9:14 am, GrassyNoel <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote:
: > On Sep 20, 3:15 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
: >
: > > Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball which
: > > is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days. That
: > > way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
: > > chaps were watching your empire shrink.
: >
: > 1. Baseball isn't a descendant of cricket. Both of these games plus
: > croquet are descendants of any number of stick-and-ball games played
: > in England in the 16th century, including rounders and 'base ball'.
: >
:
: Where is the bowler or pitcher in croquet?
She's busy making afternoon tea with scones and strawberries
and Devon clotted cream, served out on the lawn.
: Surely a ball being thrown
: toward a batter/batsman to get him out is unique to both baseball and
: cricket? Clean-bowled vs. strike out. Innings and overs. Wicket and
: the plate.
Good grief no!
1) You need three strikes but only one clean-bowled. Who's got time
for that?
2) Innings are not overs. There can be many overs in an innings.
3) Whoever heard of knocking the bails off a plate, or leg before plate?
: > 2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
:
: No, we just took it to a whole new level.
Yeah, you might get around to building an SST, we scrapped
Concorde after 30 years service.
Our idea of a cruise ship is the Queen Mary II, yours is:
http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/news/2003/030702_enterprise.jpg
I gotta admit, though, you do make a fast hamburger and fries.
Not quite scones with strawberries and cream on the croquet
lawn, but it is fast.
Eric Chomko
So a boot in the arse is the back compartment of an automobile, where
the driver is on the right, yet motorcar drives on the left side of
the road!?!
>
> :
> : >
> : > : We Americans created baseball which
> : > : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
> : >
> : > No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
> : > "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct "Massachusetts
> : > game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
> : >
> :
> : Softball evolved from baseball.
>
> Yeah, and baseball is a British game evolved from rounders.
That none of you know how to play well...
When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> : > : That
> : > : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> : > : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
> : >
> : > The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the American
> : > arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses) from
> the
> : > Japs and Krauts.
> :
> : Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
> : America. Who save whom again?
>
> We saved you, the Krauts and Japs had you in a pincer movement.
We defeated them both without your help.
> You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
> and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
> were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
> You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
> the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> change your light-bulbs for you?
The Czechs. Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
folks twice.
> How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
Yes we do! Goes something like this:
My dad who worked at SHAPE headquarters in Belgium and had a British
general for a boss. They were playing darts one day at my dad's house
(I was in the states in college at the time). My dad was beating the
general as usual, when the general picked up a Hofbrau beer stein with
three flags in it. The Union Jack, the Gerry flag, and the Stars and
Sripes. "I say old boy", said the general, "I understand the Stars and
Stripes being here, why the German flag and the Union Jack?"
While aiming a dart, my dad turned around and looked at the general
and said straight-faced, "those are the countries we whipped twice."
The general alomost dropped the stein on the floor and lost dart
match, as usual.
> My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
> remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
> memory.
You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
Consider that given the lack of power your monarchy has over the
people now as compared to then; the House of Lords and Parliment is
more like our Congress and they came after ours. You follow us...
> : Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
> : average Brit?
>
> Quite often, yes. We taught them well, but it's the ozzies that are
> on top today. They are tanned more than us, too.
And freer...
> "God bless goddamned America." - Yonko
Wrong attitude, mate. That is no way to act if you want to qualify to
become the 51st state. :)
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190316021.5...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 20, 9:14 am, GrassyNoel <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote:
> : > On Sep 20, 3:15 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> : >
> : > > Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball which
> : > > is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days. That
> : > > way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> : > > chaps were watching your empire shrink.
> : >
> : > 1. Baseball isn't a descendant of cricket. Both of these games plus
> : > croquet are descendants of any number of stick-and-ball games played
> : > in England in the 16th century, including rounders and 'base ball'.
> : >
> :
> : Where is the bowler or pitcher in croquet?
>
> She's busy making afternoon tea with scones and strawberries
> and Devon clotted cream, served out on the lawn.
Sounds like Martha Stewart.
>
> : Surely a ball being thrown
> : toward a batter/batsman to get him out is unique to both baseball and
> : cricket? Clean-bowled vs. strike out. Innings and overs. Wicket and
> : the plate.
>
> Good grief no!
> 1) You need three strikes but only one clean-bowled. Who's got time
> for that?
Clean-bowled is much harder to do than a strike out.
> 2) Innings are not overs. There can be many overs in an innings.
Okay, thw bases vs. four. But there are bases!
> 3) Whoever heard of knocking the bails off a plate, or leg before plate?
...catching the outside and inside corners.
> : > 2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
> :
> : No, we just took it to a whole new level.
>
> Yeah, you might get around to building an SST, we scrapped
> Concorde after 30 years service.
SST? Seems that SST wasn't such a British thing as you seem to
believe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_transport#History
Benny Hill did a nice skit about UK's space program once though.
> Our idea of a cruise ship is the Queen Mary II, yours is:
> http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/news/2003/030702_enterprise.jpg
>
> I gotta admit, though, you do make a fast hamburger and fries.
Gotta compete with your fish and chips.
> Not quite scones with strawberries and cream on the croquet
> lawn, but it is fast.
Our microbrew beers are better than your lousy ales. We used to be the
laughing stock when it came to beer. No more...
Androcles
Yeah, you've got it; windshield and windscreen, hood and bonnet,
muffler and silencer, spanner and wrench.
We drive on the wrong side because we don't like to appear right
all the time, but at least the steering wheel is right where it belongs.
: >
: > :
: > : >
: > : > : We Americans created baseball which
: > : > : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
: > : >
: > : > No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
: > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
: > : > "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct
"Massachusetts
: > : > game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
: > : >
: > :
: > : Softball evolved from baseball.
: >
: > Yeah, and baseball is a British game evolved from rounders.
:
: That none of you know how to play well...
Aww c'mon, you've never played rounders.
:
: When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
:
: > : > : That
: > : > : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
: > : > : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
: > : >
: > : > The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the
American
: > : > arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses)
from
: > the
: > : > Japs and Krauts.
: > :
: > : Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
: > : America. Who save whom again?
: >
: > We saved you, the Krauts and Japs had you in a pincer movement.
:
: We defeated them both without your help.
Huh! Who built the runways for your planes to take off from?
You lot make a big deal out of 9-11, but London was blitzed.
My mother was running a barrage balloon,
http://www.war-experience.org/history/keyaspects/waaf/default.asp
my father was in Burma, my paternal Grandfather was in the trenches
in WW1 and my maternal grandfather was hit by a torpedo on this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/39/a3599139.shtml
Kraut and Jap bashing was a family business.
:
: > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
: > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
: > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
:
: You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
: wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are still
whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
Pentagon.
:
: > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
:
: And none of you were around during the war between the states.
That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
:
: > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
: > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
: > change your light-bulbs for you?
:
: The Czechs.
Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
: Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
: folks twice.
Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could lose.
Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and time-outs.
The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb daisy
cutters.
:
: > How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
:
: Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
Which is why we invented this and left you lot screwing around in
the dark.
http://tinyurl.com/264zq6
: > : > This is an ass:
:
Pakistani went home, family reunion. Lots of questions.
"How you like England?"
England very fine place.
"What you do in England?"
Spend most time in pub.
"What you do in pub?"
Drink beer.
"What else you do in pub?"
In pub, little round board with hole in middle.
Three pointy things with feathers on end.
Throw all three pointy things in little round hole,
everybody buy you free beer.
"Ohh... this sound wonderful, what they call this game?"
I not sure what they call it, I think the call it
"Lucky black bastard"
: > My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
: > remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
: > memory.
:
: You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
Look mate, history is written by the victorious. If we lost we ain't
writing the history and so it never happened! Got it?
: Consider that given the lack of power your monarchy has over the
: people now as compared to then; the House of Lords and Parliment is
: more like our Congress and they came after ours. You follow us...
: > : Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
: > : average Brit?
: >
: > Quite often, yes. We taught them well, but it's the ozzies that are
: > on top today. They are tanned more than us, too.
:
: And freer...
Sure. Once we'd fought for our freedom and won we gave it all up
so we could have another scrap. You lot are doing the same. In the
twenty years I lived in the States I've seen smoking banned, bars
closed at 2 am, drinking age raised to 21...
None of it affected me personally, but it's all loss of freedom.
: > "God bless goddamned America." - Yonko
:
: Wrong attitude, mate. That is no way to act if you want to qualify to
: become the 51st state. :)
That was Yonko's sentiment, a nice old boy who worked for me when
I was QA manager. He made me laugh when he said that, the contradiction
was so obvious and I'm sure he hadn't seen it, everything he said was
"goddamned". The old guy was supporting a 45-year-old son in college
so he was still working at 75. I'd have wrung the son's neck if I'd gotten
hold of him, Yonko had a stroke and I never saw him again. That was
six years ago, so I expect he's passed on.
Anyway, England would have to be the first state if we let you join us,
with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland second, third and fourth.
Hawaii fifth, they have a royal family, so they are your current first
state.
Androcles
: On Sep 20, 4:27 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >
: > news:1190316021.5...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Sep 20, 9:14 am, GrassyNoel <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote:
: > : > On Sep 20, 3:15 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
: > : >
: > : > > Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball
which
: > : > > is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
That
: > : > > way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
: > : > > chaps were watching your empire shrink.
: > : >
: > : > 1. Baseball isn't a descendant of cricket. Both of these games plus
: > : > croquet are descendants of any number of stick-and-ball games played
: > : > in England in the 16th century, including rounders and 'base ball'.
: > : >
: > :
: > : Where is the bowler or pitcher in croquet?
: >
: > She's busy making afternoon tea with scones and strawberries
: > and Devon clotted cream, served out on the lawn.
:
: Sounds like Martha Stewart.
Oh? So Martha Stewart is a bowler or pitcher in croquet...
Hmm... I didn't know that. Is she related to Martha's Vineyard?
: >
: > : Surely a ball being thrown
: > : toward a batter/batsman to get him out is unique to both baseball and
: > : cricket? Clean-bowled vs. strike out. Innings and overs. Wicket and
: > : the plate.
: >
: > Good grief no!
: > 1) You need three strikes but only one clean-bowled. Who's got time
: > for that?
:
: Clean-bowled is much harder to do than a strike out.
Yeah, that baseball is really a kiddy game.
:
: > 2) Innings are not overs. There can be many overs in an innings.
:
: Okay, thw bases vs. four. But there are bases!
Tut tut... Creases.
:
: > 3) Whoever heard of knocking the bails off a plate, or leg before plate?
:
: ...catching the outside and inside corners.
We catch colds and balls, not corners.
:
: > : > 2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
: > :
: > : No, we just took it to a whole new level.
: >
: > Yeah, you might get around to building an SST, we scrapped
: > Concorde after 30 years service.
:
: SST? Seems that SST wasn't such a British thing as you seem to
: believe:
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_transport#History
:
: Benny Hill did a nice skit about UK's space program once though.
Yeah, it was a joke. At least we didn't kill anyone.
:
: > Our idea of a cruise ship is the Queen Mary II, yours is:
: > http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/news/2003/030702_enterprise.jpg
: >
: > I gotta admit, though, you do make a fast hamburger and fries.
:
: Gotta compete with your fish and chips.
You'd win easily for speed and service. Quality?
That's another matter because it depends where you go.
Long John Silvers was fair but I've had better.
: > Not quite scones with strawberries and cream on the croquet
: > lawn, but it is fast.
:
: Our microbrew beers are better than your lousy ales. We used to be the
: laughing stock when it came to beer. No more..
Dunno about that. Again, it depends where to go. I still rate
Sam Adams as the best US brew.
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> : > : > : > There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between
> wickets
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > of a cricket pitch.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > The French and Americans don't play cricket.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Who has a few days to play a game?
> : > : >
> : > : > We do, we are resting on our laurels.
> : > :
> : > : That is quite a rest...
> : >
> : > We've earned it, teaching you lot English. You still don't have
> : > it quite right saying ass when you mean arse, but close enough.
> :
> : So a boot in the arse is the back compartment of an automobile, where
> : the driver is on the right, yet motorcar drives on the left side of
> : the road!?!
>
> Yeah, you've got it; windshield and windscreen, hood and bonnet,
> muffler and silencer, spanner and wrench.
> We drive on the wrong side because we don't like to appear right
> all the time, but at least the steering wheel is right where it belongs.
>
But your cars are built worse than ours. And that's pretty bad!
> : >
> : > :
> : > : >
> : > : > : We Americans created baseball which
> : > : > : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
> : > : >
> : > : > No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
> : > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
> : > : > "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct
> "Massachusetts
> : > : > game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : Softball evolved from baseball.
> : >
> : > Yeah, and baseball is a British game evolved from rounders.
> :
> : That none of you know how to play well...
>
> Aww c'mon, you've never played rounders.
It is a kid's game and THAT is why you Brits like associating it with
baseball, whereas you feel cricket is for real men.
> :
> : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
>
> Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
Soccer. Football is played by real men.
> :
> : > : > : That
> : > : > : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> : > : > : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
> : > : >
> : > : > The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the
> American
> : > : > arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly asses)
> from
> : > the
> : > : > Japs and Krauts.
> : > :
> : > : Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
> : > : America. Who save whom again?
> : >
> : > We saved you, the Krauts and Japs had you in a pincer movement.
> :
> : We defeated them both without your help.
>
> Huh! Who built the runways for your planes to take off from?
> You lot make a big deal out of 9-11, but London was blitzed.
I don't make a big deal of 9-11. We lose as many people on our
highways in three weeks as we lost on 9-11.
I'm more concerned about highway safety than I am about terrorism. The
stats back me up.
> My mother was running a barrage balloon,
> http://www.war-experience.org/history/keyaspects/waaf/default.asp
> my father was in Burma, my paternal Grandfather was in the trenches
> in WW1 and my maternal grandfather was hit by a torpedo on this:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/39/a3599139.shtml
My grandfather was in WWI. My dad in Korea and VietNam.
> Kraut and Jap bashing was a family business.
The list is much longer with you folks. We have taken over the war
business where you Brits left off after centuries.
I afraid it is a trait that I'm not proud of. It seems that many of
your countrymen hate us not because we are warriors, but more because
your country no longer leads in that capacity and we do!
>
> :
> : > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
> : > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
> : > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
> :
> : You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
> : wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
>
> Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
> silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are still
> whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
> No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
> Pentagon.
>
Are you saying that after Hitler bombed London we should have minded
our own business? If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of Poland."
That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what it
was nothing more or less.
> :
> : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> :
> : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
>
> That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
> :
> : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
> : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> : > change your light-bulbs for you?
> :
> : The Czechs.
>
> Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
>
> : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
> : folks twice.
>
> Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could lose.
Did lose...
> Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and time-outs.
Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits you
see in the NFL. Not even close.
> The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb daisy
> cutters.
Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
> :
> : > How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
> :
> : Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
>
> Which is why we invented this and left you lot screwing around in
> the dark.
> http://tinyurl.com/264zq6
What?!? Thomas Edison was an America you spin doctor. Hahaha... you
invented the Frankenstein socket?!
Those Pakistanis are better at cricket than the average Brits, too,
right? I saw a Pakistani cricket match in Washington DC a few years
back.
> : > My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
> : > remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
> : > memory.
> :
> : You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
>
> Look mate, history is written by the victorious. If we lost we ain't
> writing the history and so it never happened! Got it?
Nope. That's not history. We have come to grips (well most of us) with
the loss of VietNam. It seems that much of our lefties political-wise
are based upon not to ending up like the we-can-do-no-wrong Brits.
Seems that we still have too many right-wingers that feel just like
you guys in that regard. It is better to take a scientific look at
history and get to the truth no matter how much it hurts (e.g. the
JFK assassination).
> : Consider that given the lack of power your monarchy has over the
> : people now as compared to then; the House of Lords and Parliment is
> : more like our Congress and they came after ours. You follow us...
>
> : > : Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
> : > : average Brit?
> : >
> : > Quite often, yes. We taught them well, but it's the ozzies that are
> : > on top today. They are tanned more than us, too.
> :
> : And freer...
> Sure. Once we'd fought for our freedom and won we gave it all up
> so we could have another scrap. You lot are doing the same. In the
> twenty years I lived in the States I've seen smoking banned, bars
> closed at 2 am, drinking age raised to 21...
> None of it affected me personally, but it's all loss of freedom.
>
> : > "God bless goddamned America." - Yonko
> :
> : Wrong attitude, mate. That is no way to act if you want to qualify to
> : become the 51st state. :)
>
> That was Yonko's sentiment, a nice old boy who worked for me when
> I was QA manager. He made me laugh when he said that, the contradiction
> was so obvious and I'm sure he hadn't seen it, everything he said was
> "goddamned". The old guy was supporting a 45-year-old son in college
> so he was still working at 75. I'd have wrung the son's neck if I'd gotten
> hold of him, Yonko had a stroke and I never saw him again. That was
> six years ago, so I expect he's passed on.
Supporting a 45 year old son?! THAT is goddamned!
>
> Anyway, England would have to be the first state if we let you join us,
> with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland second, third and fourth.
> Hawaii fifth, they have a royal family, so they are your current first
> state.
What about California?
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190403644.6...@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 20, 4:27 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> : >
> : >news:1190316021.5...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> : > : On Sep 20, 9:14 am, GrassyNoel <gera...@webace.com.au> wrote:
> : > : > On Sep 20, 3:15 am, Eric Chomko <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > > Who has a few days to play a game? We Americans created baseball
> which
> : > : > > is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few days.
> That
> : > : > > way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you UK
> : > : > > chaps were watching your empire shrink.
> : > : >
> : > : > 1. Baseball isn't a descendant of cricket. Both of these games plus
> : > : > croquet are descendants of any number of stick-and-ball games played
> : > : > in England in the 16th century, including rounders and 'base ball'.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : Where is the bowler or pitcher in croquet?
> : >
> : > She's busy making afternoon tea with scones and strawberries
> : > and Devon clotted cream, served out on the lawn.
> :
> : Sounds like Martha Stewart.
>
> Oh? So Martha Stewart is a bowler or pitcher in croquet...
> Hmm... I didn't know that. Is she related to Martha's Vineyard?
No Martha Stewart would be making tea with scones and strawberries
and Devon clotted cream, to be served on the lawn.
>
> : >
> : > : Surely a ball being thrown
> : > : toward a batter/batsman to get him out is unique to both baseball and
> : > : cricket? Clean-bowled vs. strike out. Innings and overs. Wicket and
> : > : the plate.
> : >
> : > Good grief no!
> : > 1) You need three strikes but only one clean-bowled. Who's got time
> : > for that?
> :
> : Clean-bowled is much harder to do than a strike out.
>
> Yeah, that baseball is really a kiddy game.
EXACTLY what my friend who live in Britian said you Brits say when
saying that baseball is a takeoff of rounders. You have become
predictable. Quite, in fact.
> :
> : > 2) Innings are not overs. There can be many overs in an innings.
> :
> : Okay, thw bases vs. four. But there are bases!
>
> Tut tut... Creases.
Those poles are creases?
> :
> : > 3) Whoever heard of knocking the bails off a plate, or leg before plate?
> :
> : ...catching the outside and inside corners.
>
> We catch colds and balls, not corners.
Catching the corner on a pitch (thrown ball) is baseball talk for a
good pitch that looks like a ball that actually is a strike.
> :
> : > : > 2. The Industrial Revolution didn't start in the USA.
> : > :
> : > : No, we just took it to a whole new level.
> : >
> : > Yeah, you might get around to building an SST, we scrapped
> : > Concorde after 30 years service.
> :
> : SST? Seems that SST wasn't such a British thing as you seem to
> : believe:
> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_transport#History
> :
> : Benny Hill did a nice skit about UK's space program once though.
>
> Yeah, it was a joke. At least we didn't kill anyone.
You must break some eggs to make an omlette. You have no space program
either.
> :
> : > Our idea of a cruise ship is the Queen Mary II, yours is:
> : > http://www.nn.northropgrumman.com/news/2003/030702_enterprise.jpg
> : >
> : > I gotta admit, though, you do make a fast hamburger and fries.
> :
> : Gotta compete with your fish and chips.
>
> You'd win easily for speed and service. Quality?
> That's another matter because it depends where you go.
> Long John Silvers was fair but I've had better.
>
The best fish I ever had, other than my own, was an Ethiopian place in
NYC. These guys were fast and good.
> : > Not quite scones with strawberries and cream on the croquet
> : > lawn, but it is fast.
> :
> : Our microbrew beers are better than your lousy ales. We used to be the
> : laughing stock when it came to beer. No more..
>
> Dunno about that. Again, it depends where to go. I still rate
> Sam Adams as the best US brew.
I know of several smaller places in PA and MD that make better beer
that Sam Adams. Try a Victory Hop Devil or a DeGroens Marzen.
Androcles
: On Sep 21, 5:33 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: [...]
:
: >
: > : > : > : > There are 22 yards to a chain, that being the length between
: > wickets
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > of a cricket pitch.
: > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket_pitch
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > The French and Americans don't play cricket.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Who has a few days to play a game?
: > : > : >
: > : > : > We do, we are resting on our laurels.
: > : > :
: > : > : That is quite a rest...
: > : >
: > : > We've earned it, teaching you lot English. You still don't have
: > : > it quite right saying ass when you mean arse, but close enough.
: > :
: > : So a boot in the arse is the back compartment of an automobile, where
: > : the driver is on the right, yet motorcar drives on the left side of
: > : the road!?!
: >
: > Yeah, you've got it; windshield and windscreen, hood and bonnet,
: > muffler and silencer, spanner and wrench.
: > We drive on the wrong side because we don't like to appear right
: > all the time, but at least the steering wheel is right where it belongs.
: >
:
: But your cars are built worse than ours. And that's pretty bad!
American owned Fords and Vauxhall (GM) are pretty bad, I agree.
British owned Rolls-Royce is now German owned. What else can
you expect from a socialist government?
: > : >
: > : > :
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : We Americans created baseball which
: > : > : > : is based on Cricket but last a few hours rather than a few
days.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > No, no, baseball is based on rounders.
: > : > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders
: > : > : > "Baseball (both the "New York game" and the now-defunct
: > "Massachusetts
: > : > : > game") as well as softball evolved from rounders".
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > : Softball evolved from baseball.
: > : >
: > : > Yeah, and baseball is a British game evolved from rounders.
: > :
: > : That none of you know how to play well...
: >
: > Aww c'mon, you've never played rounders.
:
: It is a kid's game and THAT is why you Brits like associating it with
: baseball, whereas you feel cricket is for real men.
Of course baseball is a kid's game, I've never said otherwise.
Most ball games are for kids anyway.
: > :
: > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
: >
: > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
: > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
:
: Soccer. Football is played by real men.
Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little kiddies
mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
:
: > :
: > : > : > : That
: > : > : > : way we were able to usher in the Industrial Revolution why you
UK
: > : > : > : chaps were watching your empire shrink.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The empire didn't shrink until WWI and WWII when we saved the
: > American
: > : > : > arse (which they think is an ass, being prudish, the silly
asses)
: > from
: > : > the
: > : > : > Japs and Krauts.
: > : > :
: > : > : Uh, we went to Europe, you folks never needed to come to North
: > : > : America. Who save whom again?
: > : >
: > : > We saved you, the Krauts and Japs had you in a pincer movement.
: > :
: > : We defeated them both without your help.
: >
: > Huh! Who built the runways for your planes to take off from?
: > You lot make a big deal out of 9-11, but London was blitzed.
:
: I don't make a big deal of 9-11. We lose as many people on our
: highways in three weeks as we lost on 9-11.
: I'm more concerned about highway safety than I am about terrorism. The
: stats back me up.
Yeah, same here (or worse).
:
: > My mother was running a barrage balloon,
: > http://www.war-experience.org/history/keyaspects/waaf/default.asp
: > my father was in Burma, my paternal Grandfather was in the trenches
: > in WW1 and my maternal grandfather was hit by a torpedo on this:
: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/39/a3599139.shtml
:
: My grandfather was in WWI. My dad in Korea and VietNam.
:
: > Kraut and Jap bashing was a family business.
:
: The list is much longer with you folks. We have taken over the war
: business where you Brits left off after centuries.
: I afraid it is a trait that I'm not proud of. It seems that many of
: your countrymen hate us not because we are warriors, but more because
: your country no longer leads in that capacity and we do!
It's not the British that hate you, Yanks are for the most part welcome
here. Come and spend your dollars. The rest of the world... not so
good. They hate us too, especially the Frogs.
: > :
: > : > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
: > : > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
: > : > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
: > :
: > : You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
: > : wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
: >
: > Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
: > silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are still
: > whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
: > No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
: > Pentagon.
: >
:
: Are you saying that after Hitler bombed London we should have minded
: our own business?
No, I'm saying we stopped him on our own before you lot got out
of bed, and we did it on our territory. You carried on minding
your own business until Pearl Harbour.
: If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
: in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of Poland."
: That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
: the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
Needed your help after we'd won? That's a joke. It was your lot
that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
it wasn't a fair fight.
:
: Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what it
: was nothing more or less.
:
: > :
: > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
: > :
: > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
: >
: > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
:
: No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
: love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds), is an
international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
: > :
: > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
: > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
: > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
: > :
: > : The Czechs.
: >
: > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
: >
: > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
: > : folks twice.
: >
: > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could lose.
:
: Did lose...
Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
:
: > Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and time-outs.
:
: Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits you
: see in the NFL. Not even close.
Wrestling puts on a better show and that's choreographed too.
:
: > The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb
daisy
: > cutters.
:
: Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
:
We weren't in Afghanistan until you lot wanted to have a go, then we
helped you out.
: > :
: > : > How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
: > :
: > : Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
: >
: > Which is why we invented this and left you lot screwing around in
: > the dark.
: > http://tinyurl.com/264zq6
:
: What?!? Thomas Edison was an America you spin doctor. Hahaha... you
: invented the Frankenstein socket?!
That's just it, we don't spin a bayonet fitting and anyway Edison stole the
patent for the light bulb from Joe Swan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
"Edison obtained patents in America for a fairly direct copy of the Swan
light,
and started an advertising campaign which claimed that he was the real
inventor."
Now who's the spin doctor?
: > : > : > This is an ass:
Just about everyone is better than the average Brit in most games, we
only excell when we are not resting on our laurels and really need to,
like helping Yanks to have light-bulbs with Poles to turn them. If
you had any sense you'd switch to a bayonet type then you wouldn't
need Czechs to replace Poles and we wouldn't have had to fight Hitler
for you.
: > : > My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
: > : > remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
: > : > memory.
: > :
: > : You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
: >
: > Look mate, history is written by the victorious. If we lost we ain't
: > writing the history and so it never happened! Got it?
:
: Nope. That's not history. We have come to grips (well most of us) with
: the loss of VietNam. It seems that much of our lefties political-wise
: are based upon not to ending up like the we-can-do-no-wrong Brits.
: Seems that we still have too many right-wingers that feel just like
: you guys in that regard. It is better to take a scientific look at
: history and get to the truth no matter how much it hurts (e.g. the
: JFK assassination).
Now you are just being serious.
:
: > : Consider that given the lack of power your monarchy has over the
: > : people now as compared to then; the House of Lords and Parliment is
: > : more like our Congress and they came after ours. You follow us...
: >
: > : > : Isn't cricket won by the nations that have darker skin than the
: > : > : average Brit?
: > : >
: > : > Quite often, yes. We taught them well, but it's the ozzies that are
: > : > on top today. They are tanned more than us, too.
: > :
: > : And freer...
: > Sure. Once we'd fought for our freedom and won we gave it all up
: > so we could have another scrap. You lot are doing the same. In the
: > twenty years I lived in the States I've seen smoking banned, bars
: > closed at 2 am, drinking age raised to 21...
: > None of it affected me personally, but it's all loss of freedom.
: >
: > : > "God bless goddamned America." - Yonko
: > :
: > : Wrong attitude, mate. That is no way to act if you want to qualify to
: > : become the 51st state. :)
: >
: > That was Yonko's sentiment, a nice old boy who worked for me when
: > I was QA manager. He made me laugh when he said that, the contradiction
: > was so obvious and I'm sure he hadn't seen it, everything he said was
: > "goddamned". The old guy was supporting a 45-year-old son in college
: > so he was still working at 75. I'd have wrung the son's neck if I'd
gotten
: > hold of him, Yonko had a stroke and I never saw him again. That was
: > six years ago, so I expect he's passed on.
:
: Supporting a 45 year old son?! THAT is goddamned!
:
Yeah...
: >
: > Anyway, England would have to be the first state if we let you join us,
: > with Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland second, third and fourth.
: > Hawaii fifth, they have a royal family, so they are your current first
: > state.
:
: What about California?
You mean King Kong? He came out of Hollywood and tore up
the Umpire State when cricket was abandoned. It was later renamed
the Empire State.
Eric Chomko
A kid's game where adult players at the best level make millions of
dollars. No I don't like it, just reporting it like it is.
>
> : > :
> : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> : >
> : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
> :
> : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
>
> Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
> namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little kiddies
> mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
football players got a core group of American football players hitting
them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
You have it backwards.
I dunno. I think since Bush and his war we are hated more than usual
in all of Europe including the UK.
> : > :
> : > : > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
> : > : > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own, they
> : > : > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
> : > :
> : > : You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
> : > : wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
> : >
> : > Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
> : > silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are still
> : > whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
> : > No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
> : > Pentagon.
> : >
> :
> : Are you saying that after Hitler bombed London we should have minded
> : our own business?
>
> No, I'm saying we stopped him on our own before you lot got out
> of bed, and we did it on our territory. You carried on minding
> your own business until Pearl Harbour.
If all was in control during WWII, then why did we bother with coming
over to Europe in the first place?
You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
> : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of Poland."
> : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
> : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
>
> Needed your help after we'd won?
You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945. If anything Hitler
started falling apart
after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
> That's a joke. It was your lot
> that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
> it wasn't a fair fight.
The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
was a different century.
> :
> : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what it
> : was nothing more or less.
> :
> : > :
> : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> : > :
> : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> : >
> : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
> :
> : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
> : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
>
> The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds), is an
> international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
England where they have the most control.
That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
> : > :
> : > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
> : > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> : > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
> : > :
> : > : The Czechs.
> : >
> : > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
> : >
> : > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
> : > : folks twice.
> : >
> : > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could lose.
> :
> : Did lose...
>
> Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
That is because nobody wants it... Sort of like Rome that way.
> :
> : > Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and time-outs.
> :
> : Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits you
> : see in the NFL. Not even close.
>
> Wrestling puts on a better show and that's choreographed too.
That is because you understand wrestling whereas American football is
over your head.
> :
> : > The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb
> daisy
> : > cutters.
> :
> : Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
> :
> We weren't in Afghanistan until you lot wanted to have a go, then we
> helped you out.
I was talking about Anglo-Afghan Wars from the past two centuries.
> : > :
> : > : > How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
> : > :
> : > : Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
> : >
> : > Which is why we invented this and left you lot screwing around in
> : > the dark.
> : > http://tinyurl.com/264zq6
> :
> : What?!? Thomas Edison was an America you spin doctor. Hahaha... you
> : invented the Frankenstein socket?!
>
> That's just it, we don't spin a bayonet fitting and anyway Edison stole the
> patent for the light bulb from Joe Swan.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
> "Edison obtained patents in America for a fairly direct copy of the Swan
> light,
> and started an advertising campaign which claimed that he was the real
> inventor."
> Now who's the spin doctor?
Yes, just like Crick and Watson discovered DNA. Had J. Edgar Hoover
allowed Linus Pauling to travel to Europe rather than labeling him a
"Red", nobody would have heard of Crick and Watson.
Clearly, Edison did more actual work to invent the light bulb than did
Swan, otherwise the latter would never have allowed Edison to do
anything related to his work/company.
It took us and the Ruskies to defeat Hitler. You would have never
succeeded alone.
> : > : > My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
> : > : > remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
> : > : > memory.
> : > :
> : > : You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
> : >
> : > Look mate, history is written by the victorious. If we lost we ain't
> : > writing the history and so it never happened! Got it?
> :
> : Nope. That's not history. We have come to grips (well most of us) with
> : the loss of VietNam. It seems that much of our lefties political-wise
> : are based upon not to ending up like the we-can-do-no-wrong Brits.
> : Seems that we still have too many right-wingers that feel just like
> : you guys in that regard. It is better to take a scientific look at
> : history and get to the truth no matter how much it hurts (e.g. the
> : JFK assassination).
>
> Now you are just being serious.
Sometimes.
I was talking about the CA as a state. Can we give you Texas? :)
Androcles
Only because the average American is stupid enough to pay to watch
a silly ball game, whereas the average is Brit is intelligent enough to
watch silly soccer where adult players at the best level make millions
of pounds.
: >
: > : > :
: > : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
: > : >
: > : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
: > : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
: > :
: > : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
: >
: > Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
: > namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little kiddies
: > mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
:
: No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
: velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
: football players got a core group of American football players hitting
: them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
: You have it backwards.
Come off it, rugger players accelerate faster with less extra mass to
carry on their heads and shoulders. Force = mass * d^2x/dt^2.
Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
: > : > :
: > : > : > : > : That
We don't like Bush and Blair knew it was time to get out too,
but the ordinary American people are still liked. Bush never
was elected anyway, the Florida vote was rigged.
: > : > :
: > : > : > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
: > : > : > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own,
they
: > : > : > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
: > : > :
: > : > : You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
: > : > : wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
: > : >
: > : > Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
: > : > silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are
still
: > : > whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
: > : > No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
: > : > Pentagon.
: > : >
: > :
: > : Are you saying that after Hitler bombed London we should have minded
: > : our own business?
: >
: > No, I'm saying we stopped him on our own before you lot got out
: > of bed, and we did it on our territory. You carried on minding
: > your own business until Pearl Harbour.
:
: If all was in control during WWII, then why did we bother with coming
: over to Europe in the first place?
To hide from the Japanese, of course. That's why my father went to
Burma to kick arse and save your lot.
: You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
habit from you as well.
:
: > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
: > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of Poland."
: > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
: > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
: >
: > Needed your help after we'd won?
:
: You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
: If anything Hitler
: started falling apart
: after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
or the Russkies.
: > That's a joke. It was your lot
: > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
: > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
: > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
: > it wasn't a fair fight.
:
: The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
: was a different century.
We are a superpower. So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
:
: > :
: > : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what it
: > : was nothing more or less.
: > :
: > : > :
: > : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
: > : > :
: > : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
: > : >
: > : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
: > :
: > : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
: > : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
: >
: > The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds), is
an
: > international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
:
: True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
: England where they have the most control.
: That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
Not too many Jews in England, mate. Eddie the First kicked 'em out in 1290.
http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-the-jews-in-england
"Due to the relative lack of anti-Jewish violence in Britain in the last
quarter of the nineteenth century, it has acquired a reputation for
tolerance. A lack of violence, however, did not make for a lack of
anti-Semitic sentiments"
: > : > :
: > : > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
: > : > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
: > : > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
: > : > :
: > : > : The Czechs.
: > : >
: > : > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
: > : >
: > : > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
: > : > : folks twice.
: > : >
: > : > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could
lose.
: > :
: > : Did lose...
: >
: > Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
:
: That is because nobody wants it... Sort of like Rome that way.
England's green and pleasant land is a highly desirable piece of
real estate, the worthy oriental gentlemen (WOGs) come flooding
in.
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/e/r/jerusalem.htm
"The theme is unique衍y Eng衍ish, and there is an un苓er負one of 19th
Cen負u訃y pol虹負ics. The lyr虹cs may refer to folk衍ore that says Je貞us
vis虹t苟d Bri負ain as a teen苔g苟r with Jo貞eph of Ar虹衫a負hea, who was
said to be a dis負ant rel苔負ive and had a stake in Cor要ish tin mines.
How苟v苟r, there is no his負or虹c苔l da負a sup計ort虹ng this sto訃y."
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
: > :
: > : > Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and
time-outs.
: > :
: > : Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits you
: > : see in the NFL. Not even close.
: >
: > Wrestling puts on a better show and that's choreographed too.
:
: That is because you understand wrestling whereas American football is
: over your head.
We get bored with the commercials, more profit renting out some tin
mines to the Holy Joes.
: > : > The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb
: > daisy
: > : > cutters.
: > :
: > : Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
: > :
: > We weren't in Afghanistan until you lot wanted to have a go, then we
: > helped you out.
:
: I was talking about Anglo-Afghan Wars from the past two centuries.
Those weren't wars, those were police actions the same as you had
in Vietnam, only against drug runners.
: > : > :
: > : > : > How many Poles does it take to change a light-bulb, anyway?
: > : > :
: > : > : Six. One Brit to hold the bulb and six Poles to spin his throne.
: > : >
: > : > Which is why we invented this and left you lot screwing around in
: > : > the dark.
: > : > http://tinyurl.com/264zq6
: > :
: > : What?!? Thomas Edison was an America you spin doctor. Hahaha... you
: > : invented the Frankenstein socket?!
: >
: > That's just it, we don't spin a bayonet fitting and anyway Edison stole
the
: > patent for the light bulb from Joe Swan.
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan
: > "Edison obtained patents in America for a fairly direct copy of the Swan
: > light,
: > and started an advertising campaign which claimed that he was the real
: > inventor."
: > Now who's the spin doctor?
:
: Yes, just like Crick and Watson discovered DNA. Had J. Edgar Hoover
: allowed Linus Pauling to travel to Europe rather than labeling him a
: "Red", nobody would have heard of Crick and Watson.
:
: Clearly, Edison did more actual work to invent the light bulb than did
: Swan, otherwise the latter would never have allowed Edison to do
: anything related to his work/company.
Edison was an intellectual thief. All his inventions were by somebody
else; the man that gave the world AC power was Tesla. Edison's DC
was useless for long distance transmission.
There is a statue to Tesla on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls.
That's the side where a living Queen's head is on a dollar bill
instead of a dead President.
: > : > : > : > This is an ass:
Course we would, it just would have taken longer. Pity it took
the Japanese to give you a wake-up call.
: > : > : > My great-grandfather was born during your civil war and I can
: > : > : > remember when he was alive, so all your history is within living
: > : > : > memory.
: > : > :
: > : > : You were alive when Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown?!
: > : >
: > : > Look mate, history is written by the victorious. If we lost we ain't
: > : > writing the history and so it never happened! Got it?
: > :
: > : Nope. That's not history. We have come to grips (well most of us) with
: > : the loss of VietNam. It seems that much of our lefties political-wise
: > : are based upon not to ending up like the we-can-do-no-wrong Brits.
: > : Seems that we still have too many right-wingers that feel just like
: > : you guys in that regard. It is better to take a scientific look at
: > : history and get to the truth no matter how much it hurts (e.g. the
: > : JFK assassination).
: >
: > Now you are just being serious.
:
: Sometimes.
LOL!
:
: > :
: > : > : Consider that given the lack of power your monarchy has over the
Yeah well, a state needs a king, and the only king CA has is King Kong.
: Can we give you Texas? :)
Nah, it's too small. BP built their pipeline across Alaska while
you lot were busy salmon and crab fishing. (BP is British Petroleum).
Alaska has King Crab, that could be a state, better than King Kong.
It would be kinda nice since we have Canada to add Alaska.
You bought it off the Russkies in 1867, we were just done fighting
them in the Crimea.
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190914680.8...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 25, 2:40 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > Of course baseball is a kid's game, I've never said otherwise.
> : > Most ball games are for kids anyway.
> :
> : A kid's game where adult players at the best level make millions of
> : dollars. No I don't like it, just reporting it like it is.
>
> Only because the average American is stupid enough to pay to watch
> a silly ball game, whereas the average is Brit is intelligent enough to
> watch silly soccer where adult players at the best level make millions
> of pounds.
>
How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
> : >
> : > : > :
> : > : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> : > : >
> : > : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> : > : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
> : > :
> : > : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
> : >
> : > Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
> : > namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little kiddies
> : > mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
> :
> : No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
> : velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
> : football players got a core group of American football players hitting
> : them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
> : You have it backwards.
>
> Come off it, rugger players accelerate faster with less extra mass to
> carry on their heads and shoulders. Force = mass * d^2x/dt^2.
Not even close!
> Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
> No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the NZ
team to finish the game.
[...]
> : > It's not the British that hate you, Yanks are for the most part welcome
> : > here. Come and spend your dollars. The rest of the world... not so
> : > good. They hate us too, especially the Frogs.
> :
> : I dunno. I think since Bush and his war we are hated more than usual
> : in all of Europe including the UK.
>
> We don't like Bush and Blair knew it was time to get out too,
> but the ordinary American people are still liked. Bush never
> was elected anyway, the Florida vote was rigged.
I think Bush will be considerwed the worst president since Harding.
Even worse than Hoover and the Great Depression because to a large
degree he (Hoover) was more a victim. Whereas, Harding and Bush
created their own messes and for the wrong reasons.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : > You'd have been in deep do-do if Hitler has conquered Britain
> : > : > : > and brought our industrial might to bear as well as their own,
> they
> : > : > : > were pretty formidable, took France and had a go at Russia.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : You cried like babies when Hitler bombed London. Than God for the
> : > : > : wimpy French, lest you Brits be the babies of WWII.
> : > : >
> : > : > Bullshit. It was you lot that cried like babies because two of your
> : > : > silly office block towers fell down, and the stupid buggers are
> still
> : > : > whining it was a U.S. government conspiracy. I blame Al Qaeda.
> : > : > No fuckin' pride, some people. At least you could rebuild the
> : > : > Pentagon.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : Are you saying that after Hitler bombed London we should have minded
> : > : our own business?
> : >
> : > No, I'm saying we stopped him on our own before you lot got out
> : > of bed, and we did it on our territory. You carried on minding
> : > your own business until Pearl Harbour.
> :
> : If all was in control during WWII, then why did we bother with coming
> : over to Europe in the first place?
>
> To hide from the Japanese, of course. That's why my father went to
> Burma to kick arse and save your lot.
Burma is a much bigger mess today than it was back in WWII. Where are
you Brits now?
> : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
>
> The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
> while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> habit from you as well.
>
No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
> :
> : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of Poland."
> : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
> : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
> : >
> : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> :
> : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
>
> The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
> : If anything Hitler
> : started falling apart
> : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
>
> Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
> you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
> or the Russkies.
>
Only Israel...
> : > That's a joke. It was your lot
> : > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> : > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> : > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
> : > it wasn't a fair fight.
> :
> : The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
> : was a different century.
>
> We are a superpower.
...in your own minds.
> So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
> and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
Somebody had to do it to show the world how bad they are.
You should be bragging about your use of the Enigma machine during
WWII.
> :
> : > :
> : > : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what it
> : > : was nothing more or less.
> : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> : > : >
> : > : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
> : > :
> : > : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
> : > : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
> : >
> : > The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds), is
> an
> : > international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
> :
> : True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
> : England where they have the most control.
> : That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
>
> Not too many Jews in England, mate.
That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
notcie.
> Eddie the First kicked 'em out in 1290.
> http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-the-jews-in-england
>
> "Due to the relative lack of anti-Jewish violence in Britain in the last
> quarter of the nineteenth century, it has acquired a reputation for
> tolerance. A lack of violence, however, did not make for a lack of
> anti-Semitic sentiments"
>
> : > : > :
> : > : > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war on
> : > : > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> : > : > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The Czechs.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
> : > : >
> : > : > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
> : > : > : folks twice.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could
> lose.
> : > :
> : > : Did lose...
> : >
> : > Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
> :
> : That is because nobody wants it... Sort of like Rome that way.
>
> England's green and pleasant land is a highly desirable piece of
> real estate, the worthy oriental gentlemen (WOGs) come flooding
> in.
> http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/e/r/jerusalem.htm
> "The theme is uniquely English, and there is an undertone of 19th
> Century politics. The lyrics may refer to folklore that says Jesus
> visited Britain as a teenager with Joseph of Arimathea, who was
> said to be a distant relative and had a stake in Cornish tin mines.
> However, there is no historical data supporting this story."
England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks like
about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
> And did those feet in ancient time
> Walk upon England's mountains green?
> And was the Holy Lamb of God
> On England's pleasant pastures seen?
> And did the countenance divine
> Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
> And was Jerusalem builded here
> Among these dark satanic mills?
>
> Bring me my bow of burning gold!
> Bring me my arrows of desire!
> Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
> Bring me my chariot of fire!
> I will not cease from mental fight,
> Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
> Till we have built Jerusalem
> In England's green and pleasant land.
There is nothing in England like the US National Parks. Try and
compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park or
Yosemite.
Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see the
top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
>
> : > :
> : > : > Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and
> time-outs.
> : > :
> : > : Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits you
> : > : see in the NFL. Not even close.
> : >
> : > Wrestling puts on a better show and that's choreographed too.
> :
> : That is because you understand wrestling whereas American football is
> : over your head.
>
> We get bored with the commercials, more profit renting out some tin
> mines to the Holy Joes.
>
> : > : > The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000 lb
> : > daisy
> : > : > cutters.
> : > :
> : > : Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
> : > :
> : > We weren't in Afghanistan until you lot wanted to have a go, then we
> : > helped you out.
> :
> : I was talking about Anglo-Afghan Wars from the past two centuries.
>
> Those weren't wars, those were police actions the same as you had
> in Vietnam, only against drug runners.
Same sort of thing. And no doubt the police wanted the action that the
bad guys were into.
Speaking of drug runners, didn't the Windsors make their money in
opium like the Bushes did in oil?
[...]
> : > : Those Pakistanis are better at cricket than the average Brits, too,
> : > : right? I saw a Pakistani cricket match in Washington DC a few years
> : > : back.
> : >
> : > Just about everyone is better than the average Brit in most games, we
> : > only excell when we are not resting on our laurels and really need to,
> : > like helping Yanks to have light-bulbs with Poles to turn them. If
> : > you had any sense you'd switch to a bayonet type then you wouldn't
> : > need Czechs to replace Poles and we wouldn't have had to fight Hitler
> : > for you.
> :
> : It took us and the Ruskies to defeat Hitler. You would have never
> : succeeded alone.
>
> Course we would, it just would have taken longer. Pity it took
> the Japanese to give you a wake-up call.
And all this time I was told we went in to prevent Hitler from killing
all the Jews.
Arnold? King Kong? I thougth he was Conan the Barbarian?
> : Can we give you Texas? :)
>
> Nah, it's too small. BP built their pipeline across Alaska while
> you lot were busy salmon and crab fishing. (BP is British Petroleum).
Yes, I know. They along with their six other sisters that make up the
oil cartel (includes Shell) created that little skirmish in Iran in
1953. The Shah's coup they called it.
> Alaska has King Crab, that could be a state, better than King Kong.
> It would be kinda nice since we have Canada to add Alaska.
But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have" anything
where they speak French?
> You bought it off the Russkies in 1867, we were just done fighting
> them in the Crimea.
Bought it for a song as I recall.
Androcles
On Sep 27, 3:15 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190914680.8...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> : On Sep 25, 2:40 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
[...]
> : > Of course baseball is a kid's game, I've never said otherwise.
> : > Most ball games are for kids anyway.
> :
> : A kid's game where adult players at the best level make millions of
> : dollars. No I don't like it, just reporting it like it is.
>
> Only because the average American is stupid enough to pay to watch
> a silly ball game, whereas the average is Brit is intelligent enough to
> watch silly soccer where adult players at the best level make millions
> of pounds.
>
How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
Err... resting on your laurels?
Nah... Soccer players pay income tax to a socialist government that
has VAT (equivalent to your sales tax) set at 17.5%.
> : >
> : > : > :
> : > : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> : > : >
> : > : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> : > : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
> : > :
> : > : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
> : >
> : > Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
> : > namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little
> kiddies
> : > mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
> :
> : No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
> : velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
> : football players got a core group of American football players hitting
> : them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
> : You have it backwards.
>
> Come off it, rugger players accelerate faster with less extra mass to
> carry on their heads and shoulders. Force = mass * d^2x/dt^2.
: Not even close!
That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10. Must try harder.
> Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
> No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
: By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the NZ
: team to finish the game.
That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
[...]
> : > It's not the British that hate you, Yanks are for the most part
> welcome
> : > here. Come and spend your dollars. The rest of the world... not so
> : > good. They hate us too, especially the Frogs.
> :
> : I dunno. I think since Bush and his war we are hated more than usual
> : in all of Europe including the UK.
>
> We don't like Bush and Blair knew it was time to get out too,
> but the ordinary American people are still liked. Bush never
> was elected anyway, the Florida vote was rigged.
: I think Bush will be considerwed the worst president since Harding.
: Even worse than Hoover and the Great Depression because to a large
: degree he (Hoover) was more a victim. Whereas, Harding and Bush
: created their own messes and for the wrong reasons.
That's a qualified agreement, you scored 10/10, total 12/30.
I told you, resting on our laurels. We only went to Burma you save your
arses, no other reason.
> : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
>
> The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
: Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
"We are not amused."
> while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> habit from you as well.
>
: No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
: initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
> : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
> Poland."
> : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
> : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
> : >
> : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> :
> : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
>
> The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
: But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
> : If anything Hitler
> : started falling apart
> : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
>
> Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
> you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
> or the Russkies.
>
: Only Israel...
You can trust that lot to start a war... its been that way since the walls
of Jericho came tumbling down by blowing a trumpet at 'em and it's
STILL going on. They'll kill every living thing, they are the chosen.
Those bastards even stopped the sun moving, or if Copernicus
was right, the world from turning.
That was before inertia was discovered.
Mind you, if the world did stop turning the walls would come
tumbling down.
> : > That's a joke. It was your lot
> : > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> : > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> : > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
> : > it wasn't a fair fight.
> :
> : The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
> : was a different century.
>
> We are a superpower.
: ...in your own minds.
A miserable 13/40.
> So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
> and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
: Somebody had to do it to show the world how bad they are.
And you ARE bad.
: You should be bragging about your use of the Enigma machine during
WWII.
We didn't use it. We only decoded it and built computers to do it for us.
Alan Turing worked at Bletchley Park and devised the modern computer.
> : > : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what
> it
> : > : was nothing more or less.
> : > :
> : > : > :
> : > : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> : > : >
> : > : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
> : > :
> : > : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
> : > : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
> : >
> : > The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds),
> is
> an
> : > international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
> :
> : True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
> : England where they have the most control.
> : That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
>
> Not too many Jews in England, mate.
: That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
: notcie.
We are tolerant.
> Eddie the First kicked 'em out in 1290.
> http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-the-jews-in-england
>
> "Due to the relative lack of anti-Jewish violence in Britain in the last
> quarter of the nineteenth century, it has acquired a reputation for
> tolerance. A lack of violence, however, did not make for a lack of
> anti-Semitic sentiments"
>
> : > : > :
> : > : > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war
> on
> : > : > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> : > : > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The Czechs.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
> : > : >
> : > : > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
> : > : > : folks twice.
> : > : >
> : > : > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could
> lose.
> : > :
> : > : Did lose...
> : >
> : > Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
> :
> : That is because nobody wants it... Sort of like Rome that way.
>
> England's green and pleasant land is a highly desirable piece of
> real estate, the worthy oriental gentlemen (WOGs) come flooding
> in.
> http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/e/r/jerusalem.htm
> "The theme is unique衍y Eng衍ish, and there is an un苓er負one of 19th
> Cen負u訃y pol虹負ics. The lyr虹cs may refer to folk衍ore that says Je貞us
> vis虹t苟d Bri負ain as a teen苔g苟r with Jo貞eph of Ar虹衫a負hea, who was
> said to be a dis負ant rel苔負ive and had a stake in Cor要ish tin mines.
> How苟v苟r, there is no his負or虹c苔l da負a sup計ort虹ng this sto訃y."
: England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
: least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
: the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks like
: about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
> And did those feet in ancient time
> Walk upon England's mountains green?
> And was the Holy Lamb of God
> On England's pleasant pastures seen?
> And did the countenance divine
> Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
> And was Jerusalem builded here
> Among these dark satanic mills?
>
> Bring me my bow of burning gold!
> Bring me my arrows of desire!
> Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
> Bring me my chariot of fire!
> I will not cease from mental fight,
> Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
> Till we have built Jerusalem
> In England's green and pleasant land.
: There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
and Wales right next door.
: Try and
: compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park or
: Yosemite.
: Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
: Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see the
: top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
: That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
If you can see the top of Ben Nevis it's gonna rain.
If you can't, it is...
What you don't have is anything like this:
http://www.invectis.co.uk/wakeh/wakeh.html
> : > :
> : > : > Not like your football players, all helmets and padding and
> time-outs.
> : > :
> : > : Rugby and Australian football NEVER come close to the type of hits
> you
> : > : see in the NFL. Not even close.
> : >
> : > Wrestling puts on a better show and that's choreographed too.
> :
> : That is because you understand wrestling whereas American football is
> : over your head.
>
> We get bored with the commercials, more profit renting out some tin
> mines to the Holy Joes.
>
> : > : > The little Vietcong kicked you arse, though, for all your 10,000
> lb
> : > daisy
> : > : > cutters.
> : > :
> : > : Yep, VietNam was like your Afghanistan.
> : > :
> : > We weren't in Afghanistan until you lot wanted to have a go, then we
> : > helped you out.
> :
> : I was talking about Anglo-Afghan Wars from the past two centuries.
>
> Those weren't wars, those were police actions the same as you had
> in Vietnam, only against drug runners.
: Same sort of thing. And no doubt the police wanted the action that the
: bad guys were into.
Yep.
The House of Windsor came into being in 1917, when the name was adopted as
the British Royal Family's official name by a proclamation of King George V,
replacing the historic name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. It remains the family name
of the current Royal Family.
By virtue of Queen Victoria's marriage to Prince Albert, son of Duke Ernst I
of the small German duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, her descendants were
members of the ducal family of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha with the house name of
Wettin. Victoria's son Edward VII and his son George V reigned as members of
this house. However, high anti-German feeling among the people during World
War I prompted the Royal Family to abandon all titles held under the German
crown and to change German-sounding titles and house names for
English-sounding versions. On 17 July, 1917, a royal proclamation by George
V provided that all agnatic descendants of Queen Victoria would be members
of the House of Windsor with the personal surname of Windsor. The name
Windsor has a long association with English royalty through the town of
Windsor and Windsor Castle.
[...]
> : > : Those Pakistanis are better at cricket than the average Brits, too,
> : > : right? I saw a Pakistani cricket match in Washington DC a few years
> : > : back.
> : >
> : > Just about everyone is better than the average Brit in most games, we
> : > only excell when we are not resting on our laurels and really need to,
> : > like helping Yanks to have light-bulbs with Poles to turn them. If
> : > you had any sense you'd switch to a bayonet type then you wouldn't
> : > need Czechs to replace Poles and we wouldn't have had to fight Hitler
> : > for you.
> :
> : It took us and the Ruskies to defeat Hitler. You would have never
> : succeeded alone.
>
> Course we would, it just would have taken longer. Pity it took
> the Japanese to give you a wake-up call.
: And all this time I was told we went in to prevent Hitler from killing
: all the Jews.
YOU went in to save the Jews, we went to save the Poles so
they could change light-bulbs for you because you didn't have
bayonet fittings. You were only worried about your bagels anyway.
Nah, he was the Terminator.
> : Can we give you Texas? :)
>
> Nah, it's too small. BP built their pipeline across Alaska while
> you lot were busy salmon and crab fishing. (BP is British Petroleum).
: Yes, I know. They along with their six other sisters that make up the
: oil cartel (includes Shell) created that little skirmish in Iran in
: 1953. The Shah's coup they called it.
Yeah...
> Alaska has King Crab, that could be a state, better than King Kong.
> It would be kinda nice since we have Canada to add Alaska.
: But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have" anything
: where they speak French?
Quebec's not *IN* Canada, its just owned BY Canada.
> You bought it off the Russkies in 1867, we were just done fighting
> them in the Crimea.
: Bought it for a song as I recall.
You were there to recall it? You must be older'n dirt.
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1191011259.4...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 3:15 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:1190914680.8...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > : On Sep 25, 2:40 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > : > Of course baseball is a kid's game, I've never said otherwise.
> > : > Most ball games are for kids anyway.
> > :
> > : A kid's game where adult players at the best level make millions of
> > : dollars. No I don't like it, just reporting it like it is.
>
> > Only because the average American is stupid enough to pay to watch
> > a silly ball game, whereas the average is Brit is intelligent enough to
> > watch silly soccer where adult players at the best level make millions
> > of pounds.
>
> How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
>
> Err... resting on your laurels?
> Nah... Soccer players pay income tax to a socialist government that
> has VAT (equivalent to your sales tax) set at 17.5%.
Somehow I think you missed the point about sports cards.
>
> > : >
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> > : > : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
> > : > :
> > : > : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
> > : >
> > : > Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game is
> > : > namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little
> > kiddies
> > : > mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
> > :
> > : No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
> > : velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
> > : football players got a core group of American football players hitting
> > : them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
> > : You have it backwards.
>
> > Come off it, rugger players accelerate faster with less extra mass to
> > carry on their heads and shoulders. Force = mass * d^2x/dt^2.
>
> : Not even close!
>
> That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10. Must try harder.
Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
because they can.
> > Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> > that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> > to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> > Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
> > No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
>
> : By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the NZ
> : team to finish the game.
>
> That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
>
> [...]
Why not get a bunch of Rugby players playing Amercian football and see
what happens.
> > : > It's not the British that hate you, Yanks are for the most part
> > welcome
> > : > here. Come and spend your dollars. The rest of the world... not so
> > : > good. They hate us too, especially the Frogs.
> > :
> > : I dunno. I think since Bush and his war we are hated more than usual
> > : in all of Europe including the UK.
>
> > We don't like Bush and Blair knew it was time to get out too,
> > but the ordinary American people are still liked. Bush never
> > was elected anyway, the Florida vote was rigged.
>
> : I think Bush will be considerwed the worst president since Harding.
> : Even worse than Hoover and the Great Depression because to a large
> : degree he (Hoover) was more a victim. Whereas, Harding and Bush
> : created their own messes and for the wrong reasons.
>
> That's a qualified agreement, you scored 10/10, total 12/30.
Only a pompous Brit would actually score a USENET post. QED my
score...
Right. Well after we saved yours in WWI, you owed us anyway.
>
> > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
>
> > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
>
> : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
>
> We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
> was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
> "We are not amused."
War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive and
well!
>
> > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> > You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> > habit from you as well.
>
> : No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
> : initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
>
> Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
>
> > : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> > : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
> > Poland."
> > : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it in
> > : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our help.
> > : >
> > : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> > :
> > : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
>
> > The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
>
> : But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
>
> So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
It is a trait we learned and perfected from you.
> > : If anything Hitler
> > : started falling apart
> > : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
>
> > Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
> > you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
> > or the Russkies.
>
> : Only Israel...
>
> You can trust that lot to start a war... its been that way since the walls
> of Jericho came tumbling down by blowing a trumpet at 'em and it's
> STILL going on. They'll kill every living thing, they are the chosen.
> Those bastards even stopped the sun moving, or if Copernicus
> was right, the world from turning.
> That was before inertia was discovered.
> Mind you, if the world did stop turning the walls would come
> tumbling down.
War for profit has to have funds and banking. The Rothschilds are the
example.
>
> > : > That's a joke. It was your lot
> > : > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> > : > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> > : > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates you,
> > : > it wasn't a fair fight.
> > :
> > : The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
> > : was a different century.
>
> > We are a superpower.
>
> : ...in your own minds.
>
> A miserable 13/40.
Your a superpower like the Pakistanis, we are in another league.
>
> > So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
> > and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
>
> : Somebody had to do it to show the world how bad they are.
>
> And you ARE bad.
...to the bone! My apologies to George Thorogood. :)
> : You should be bragging about your use of the Enigma machine during
> WWII.
>
> We didn't use it. We only decoded it and built computers to do it for us.
> Alan Turing worked at Bletchley Park and devised the modern computer.
Yes, yes of course he did. You are aware that a Turing Machine is a
concept and not a piece of hardware, right?
Chek this link for computer timeline: http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer. EDSAC
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
> > : > : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was what
> > it
> > : > : was nothing more or less.
> > : > :
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
> > : > :
> > : > : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
> > : > : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
> > : >
> > : > The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds),
> > is
> > an
> > : > international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
> > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
> > :
> > : True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
> > : England where they have the most control.
> > : That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
>
> > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
>
> : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
> : notcie.
>
> We are tolerant.
...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
>
> > Eddie the First kicked 'em out in 1290.
> > http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-the-jews-in-england
>
> > "Due to the relative lack of anti-Jewish violence in Britain in the last
> > quarter of the nineteenth century, it has acquired a reputation for
> > tolerance. A lack of violence, however, did not make for a lack of
> > anti-Semitic sentiments"
>
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : > It took Pearl Harbour to wake you up, whereas we declared war
> > on
> > : > : > : > the Krauts when they invaded Poland. Without the Poles, who'd
> > : > : > : > change your light-bulbs for you?
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : The Czechs.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Oh, ok. Dumb lot, are they?
> > : > : >
> > : > : > : Face it the big, bag Germans scared the crap out of you
> > : > : > : folks twice.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Oh yeah, we woz skeered. It takes balls to fight knowing we could
> > lose.
> > : > :
> > : > : Did lose...
> > : >
> > : > Did not, nobody has conquered our island since 1066.
> > :
> > : That is because nobody wants it... Sort of like Rome that way.
>
> > England's green and pleasant land is a highly desirable piece of
> > real estate, the worthy oriental gentlemen (WOGs) come flooding
> > in.
> > http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/j/e/r/jerusalem.htm
> > "The theme is uniquely English, and there is an undertone of 19th
> > Century politics. The lyrics may refer to folklore that says Jesus
> > visited Britain as a teenager with Joseph of Arimathea, who was
> > said to be a distant relative and had a stake in Cornish tin mines.
> > However, there is no historical data supporting this story."
>
> : England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
> : least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
> : the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks like
> : about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
>
> Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
No, no, no. Just want to climb them. No water on their tops, silly
man.
>
> > And did those feet in ancient time
> > Walk upon England's mountains green?
> > And was the Holy Lamb of God
> > On England's pleasant pastures seen?
> > And did the countenance divine
> > Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
> > And was Jerusalem builded here
> > Among these dark satanic mills?
>
> > Bring me my bow of burning gold!
> > Bring me my arrows of desire!
> > Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
> > Bring me my chariot of fire!
> > I will not cease from mental fight,
> > Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
> > Till we have built Jerusalem
> > In England's green and pleasant land.
>
> : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
>
> Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
> and Wales right next door.
So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
apart.
>
> : Try and
> : compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park or
> : Yosemite.
>
> : Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
> : Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see the
> : top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
> : That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
>
> If you can see the top of Ben Nevis it's gonna rain.
> If you can't, it is...
>
> What you don't have is anything like this:
> http://www.invectis.co.uk/wakeh/wakeh.html
Yes, we do. In fact, we have private residences that look like that
all across the eastern US. Start with Middleburg, Virginia (horse
country) and go either north to Boston and south to New Orleans for
literally 100s of places that you just like the one you sent me.
We may have less time here but the trees have been here longer. You
don't have tulip trees and we do. :)
That still doesn't explain why Diana died while in the vehicle with
her Egyptian boyfriend.
>
> [...]
>
> > : > : Those Pakistanis are better at cricket than the average Brits, too,
> > : > : right? I saw a Pakistani cricket match in Washington DC a few years
> > : > : back.
> > : >
> > : > Just about everyone is better than the average Brit in most games, we
> > : > only excell when we are not resting on our laurels and really need to,
> > : > like helping Yanks to have light-bulbs with Poles to turn them. If
> > : > you had any sense you'd switch to a bayonet type then you wouldn't
> > : > need Czechs to replace Poles and we wouldn't have had to fight Hitler
> > : > for you.
> > :
> > : It took us and the Ruskies to defeat Hitler. You would have never
> > : succeeded alone.
>
> > Course we would, it just would have taken longer. Pity it took
> > the Japanese to give you a wake-up call.
>
> : And all this time I was told we went in to prevent Hitler from killing
> : all the Jews.
>
> YOU went in to save the Jews, we went to save the Poles so
> they could change light-bulbs for you because you didn't have
> bayonet fittings. You were only worried about your bagels anyway.
and lox.
Who knew?!?
> > You bought it off the Russkies in 1867, we were just done fighting
> > them in the Crimea.
>
> : Bought it for a song as I recall.
>
> You were there to recall it? You must be older'n dirt.
I didn't sing the song!
Androcles
On Sep 28, 6:06 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1191011259.4...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 3:15 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:> "Eric
> Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:1190914680.8...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > : On Sep 25, 2:40 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > : > Of course baseball is a kid's game, I've never said otherwise.
> > : > Most ball games are for kids anyway.
> > :
> > : A kid's game where adult players at the best level make millions of
> > : dollars. No I don't like it, just reporting it like it is.
>
> > Only because the average American is stupid enough to pay to watch
> > a silly ball game, whereas the average is Brit is intelligent enough to
> > watch silly soccer where adult players at the best level make millions
> > of pounds.
>
> How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
>
> Err... resting on your laurels?
> Nah... Soccer players pay income tax to a socialist government that
> has VAT (equivalent to your sales tax) set at 17.5%.
: Somehow I think you missed the point about sports cards.
An object or service is worth whatever someone will pay for it.
Since you would have to pay me for me to dispose of your waste
paper for you it has negative value, whatever picture is printed on it.
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : When was the last Brit in the Major Leagues?
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Before the Yanks will ever win the Ashes and after they adopted
> > : > : > David Beckham. (Not that I care much for football.)
> > : > :
> > : > : Soccer. Football is played by real men.
> > : >
> > : > Rugby football and Australian football are for real men, your game
> > is
> > : > namby-pamby; all pads, helmets and time-outs because the little
> > kiddies
> > : > mustn't hurt or exert themselves.
> > :
> > : No one in either rugby or Australian football gets hit with the
> > : velocity or intensity of American football. If rugby or Australian
> > : football players got a core group of American football players hitting
> > : them, then both rugby and Australian football players would get pads.
> > : You have it backwards.
>
> > Come off it, rugger players accelerate faster with less extra mass to
> > carry on their heads and shoulders. Force = mass * d^2x/dt^2.
>
> : Not even close!
>
> That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10. Must try harder.
: Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
: because they can.
Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big softy
games where armour is worn.
> > Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> > that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> > to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> > Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
> > No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
>
> : By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the NZ
> : team to finish the game.
>
> That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
>
> [...]
: Why not get a bunch of Rugby players playing Amercian football and see
: what happens.
Told ya, the NZ All-Blacks would wipe out any American softies.
Those Maories are tough.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori
http://www.allblacks.com/
The French coach says they are beatable, but he's just blowing smoke.
You'd have a hard time against the Welsh, too. England... nah.
> > : > It's not the British that hate you, Yanks are for the most part
> > welcome
> > : > here. Come and spend your dollars. The rest of the world... not so
> > : > good. They hate us too, especially the Frogs.
> > :
> > : I dunno. I think since Bush and his war we are hated more than usual
> > : in all of Europe including the UK.
>
> > We don't like Bush and Blair knew it was time to get out too,
> > but the ordinary American people are still liked. Bush never
> > was elected anyway, the Florida vote was rigged.
>
> : I think Bush will be considerwed the worst president since Harding.
> : Even worse than Hoover and the Great Depression because to a large
> : degree he (Hoover) was more a victim. Whereas, Harding and Bush
> : created their own messes and for the wrong reasons.
>
> That's a qualified agreement, you scored 10/10, total 12/30.
: Only a pompous Brit would actually score a USENET post. QED my
: score...
Yeah...
That was a stalemate.
> > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
>
> > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
>
> : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
>
> We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
> was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
> "We are not amused."
: War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive and
: well!
Yeah, we kicked the Mexicans out for ya at the Alamo in Saint Anthony.
Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why you
showed up late for WWII.
>
> > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> > You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> > habit from you as well.
>
> : No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
> : initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
>
> Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
>
> > : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> > : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
> > Poland."
> > : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it
> > in
> > : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our
> > help.
> > : >
> > : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> > :
> > : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
>
> > The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
>
> : But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
>
> So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
: It is a trait we learned and perfected from you.
Yeah, we never did perfect it. Seemed a good idea, though.
> > : If anything Hitler
> > : started falling apart
> > : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
>
> > Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
> > you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
> > or the Russkies.
>
> : Only Israel...
>
> You can trust that lot to start a war... its been that way since the walls
> of Jericho came tumbling down by blowing a trumpet at 'em and it's
> STILL going on. They'll kill every living thing, they are the chosen.
> Those bastards even stopped the sun moving, or if Copernicus
> was right, the world from turning.
> That was before inertia was discovered.
> Mind you, if the world did stop turning the walls would come
> tumbling down.
: War for profit has to have funds and banking. The Rothschilds are the
: example.
There ya go, the German Jews perfected it.
>
> > : > That's a joke. It was your lot
> > : > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> > : > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> > : > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates
> > you,
> > : > it wasn't a fair fight.
> > :
> > : The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
> > : was a different century.
>
> > We are a superpower.
>
> : ...in your own minds.
>
> A miserable 13/40.
: Your a superpower
Yep
> > So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
> > and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
>
> : Somebody had to do it to show the world how bad they are.
>
> And you ARE bad.
...to the bone! My apologies to George Thorogood. :)
Yep.
> : You should be bragging about your use of the Enigma machine during
> WWII.
>
> We didn't use it. We only decoded it and built computers to do it for us.
> Alan Turing worked at Bletchley Park and devised the modern computer.
: Yes, yes of course he did. You are aware that a Turing Machine is a
: concept and not a piece of hardware, right?
I'm sure Bill Gates is aware of it. Microsoft produces an awful lot of
expensive concept.
: Chek this link for computer timeline:
http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
: Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer. EDSAC
: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
Charles Babbage was way before that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
> > : > : Hey I'm not one running around about 9-11. It happened. It was
> > what
> > it
> > : > : was nothing more or less.
> > : > :
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : > You lot gave us no help in the Battle of Britain.
> > : > : > :
> > : > : > : And none of you were around during the war between the states.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > That was civil war, we ain't taking sides in that.
> > : > :
> > : > : No, only the wealthy Rothschilds, who funded both sides. You Brits
> > : > : love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad habit as well...
> > : >
> > : > The Rothschild family (often referred to simply as the Rothschilds),
> > is
> > an
> > : > international banking and finance dynasty of German Jewish origin.
> > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschilds
> > :
> > : True, but everyone knows that they have their strongest holds in
> > : England where they have the most control.
> > : That was true back in 1861-65 as well.
>
> > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
>
> : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
> : notcie.
>
> We are tolerant.
: ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the Irish to
dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY cops.
> > "The theme is unique衍y Eng衍ish, and there is an un苓er負one of 19th
> > Cen負u訃y pol虹負ics. The lyr虹cs may refer to folk衍ore that says
> > Je貞us
> > vis虹t苟d Bri負ain as a teen苔g苟r with Jo貞eph of Ar虹衫a負hea, who was
> > said to be a dis負ant rel苔負ive and had a stake in Cor要ish tin mines.
> > How苟v苟r, there is no his負or虹c苔l da負a sup計ort虹ng this sto訃y."
>
> : England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
> : least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
> : the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks like
> : about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
>
> Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
: No, no, no. Just want to climb them. No water on their tops, silly
: man.
Oh sure, Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water...
Sounds pretty daft to me.
>
> > And did those feet in ancient time
> > Walk upon England's mountains green?
> > And was the Holy Lamb of God
> > On England's pleasant pastures seen?
> > And did the countenance divine
> > Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
> > And was Jerusalem builded here
> > Among these dark satanic mills?
>
> > Bring me my bow of burning gold!
> > Bring me my arrows of desire!
> > Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
> > Bring me my chariot of fire!
> > I will not cease from mental fight,
> > Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
> > Till we have built Jerusalem
> > In England's green and pleasant land.
>
> : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
>
> Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
> and Wales right next door.
: So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
: apart.
The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
been there, never wanted too.
>
> : Try and
> : compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park or
> : Yosemite.
>
> : Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
> : Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see the
> : top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
> : That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
>
> If you can see the top of Ben Nevis it's gonna rain.
> If you can't, it is...
>
> What you don't have is anything like this:
> http://www.invectis.co.uk/wakeh/wakeh.html
: Yes, we do. In fact, we have private residences that look like that
: all across the eastern US. Start with Middleburg, Virginia (horse
: country) and go either north to Boston and south to New Orleans for
: literally 100s of places that you just like the one you sent me.
You don't have climate for it. If you are a vegetable England is the great
place to live. The grass is always green here because it's always pissing
down with rain.
: We may have less time here but the trees have been here longer. You
I expect it was because she was in a wreck. Maybe the driver was
a moslem... but he survived.
: and lox.
Liquid oxygen never quite did it for me, I still prefer scones and
strawberry
jam or an American muffin.
: Who knew?!?
Certainly not the French.
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>
> > How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
>
> > Err... resting on your laurels?
> > Nah... Soccer players pay income tax to a socialist government that
> > has VAT (equivalent to your sales tax) set at 17.5%.
>
> : Somehow I think you missed the point about sports cards.
>
> An object or service is worth whatever someone will pay for it.
Yes, I know that. The point is that baseball cards in general are
worth more than football (and soccer) cards even though that football
is more popular than baseball these days.
Soccer cards are below basketball, hockey, and NASCAR (no kidding!).
> Since you would have to pay me for me to dispose of your waste
> paper for you it has negative value, whatever picture is printed on it.
Even the hot cheerleaders?! I heard about your Navy back in the 1800s
and all, liking one another - if you get my drift, but you're
borderlining on ridiculous. :)
Wasn't it that issue and scurvy that made them famous?
[...]
> : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
> : because they can.
>
> Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big softy
> games where armour is worn.
Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and see
what happens.
>
> > > Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> > > that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> > > to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> > > Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any day.
> > > No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
>
> > : By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the NZ
> > : team to finish the game.
>
> > That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
>
> > [...]
>
> : Why not get a bunch of Rugby players playing Amercian football and see
> : what happens.
>
> Told ya, the NZ All-Blacks would wipe out any American softies.
> Those Maories are tough.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori
> http://www.allblacks.com/
> The French coach says they are beatable, but he's just blowing smoke.
>
> You'd have a hard time against the Welsh, too. England... nah.
In America there is a kid's game that I'm pretty sure is where Rugby
came from. It's called "smear the queer". Basically, the ball is
thrown straight up and whoever catches gets tackled by every other
player until he is down and can no longer move. Then the ball is
thrown up in the air again and cycle is repeated until everyone is
beat up or until their mums call them home for supper.
[...]
> > > : If all was in control during WWII, then why did we bother with coming
> > > : over to Europe in the first place?
>
> > > To hide from the Japanese, of course. That's why my father went to
> > > Burma to kick arse and save your lot.
>
> > : Burma is a much bigger mess today than it was back in WWII. Where are
> > : you Brits now?
>
> > I told you, resting on our laurels. We only went to Burma you save your
> > arses, no other reason.
>
> : Right. Well after we saved yours in WWI, you owed us anyway.
>
> That was a stalemate.
Huh? No, the German Mark was reduced to 10,000 per farthing, thanks to
us.
> > > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
>
> > > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> > > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
>
> > : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
>
> > We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
> > was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
> > "We are not amused."
>
> : War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive and
> : well!
>
> Yeah, we kicked the Mexicans out for ya at the Alamo in Saint Anthony.
We lost that battle but womn the war.
> Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why you
> showed up late for WWII.
Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
Serbs?!
>
>
> > > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> > > You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> > > habit from you as well.
>
> > : No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
> > : initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
>
> > Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
>
> > > : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> > > : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
> > > Poland."
> > > : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took it
> > > in
> > > : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our
> > > help.
> > > : >
> > > : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> > > :
> > > : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
>
> > > The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
>
> > : But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
>
> > So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
>
> : It is a trait we learned and perfected from you.
>
> Yeah, we never did perfect it. Seemed a good idea, though.
I dunno, with nukes and all in the world, I think it sort of a silly
way to try and make money.
>
> > > : If anything Hitler
> > > : started falling apart
> > > : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
>
> > > Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
> > > you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
> > > or the Russkies.
>
> > : Only Israel...
>
> > You can trust that lot to start a war... its been that way since the walls
> > of Jericho came tumbling down by blowing a trumpet at 'em and it's
> > STILL going on. They'll kill every living thing, they are the chosen.
> > Those bastards even stopped the sun moving, or if Copernicus
> > was right, the world from turning.
> > That was before inertia was discovered.
> > Mind you, if the world did stop turning the walls would come
> > tumbling down.
>
> : War for profit has to have funds and banking. The Rothschilds are the
> : example.
>
> There ya go, the German Jews perfected it.
With banks in London and elsewhere.
>
> > > : > That's a joke. It was your lot
> > > : > that took it in the arse at Pearl Harbour and it took you four years
> > > : > with our help to get it straight, even then you had to use nukes
> > > : > on a civilian population. That's why the rest of the world hates
> > > you,
> > > : > it wasn't a fair fight.
> > > :
> > > : The Brits would have used nukes if they were a superpower. But that
> > > : was a different century.
>
> > > We are a superpower.
>
> > : ...in your own minds.
>
> > A miserable 13/40.
>
> : Your a superpower
>
> Yep
Okay, mate... teehee
>
> > > So is France, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia
> > > and North Korea. Only the Yanks have ever USED nukes.
>
> > : Somebody had to do it to show the world how bad they are.
>
> > And you ARE bad.
>
> ...to the bone! My apologies to George Thorogood. :)
>
> Yep.
>
> > : You should be bragging about your use of the Enigma machine during
> > WWII.
>
> > We didn't use it. We only decoded it and built computers to do it for us.
> > Alan Turing worked at Bletchley Park and devised the modern computer.
>
> : Yes, yes of course he did. You are aware that a Turing Machine is a
> : concept and not a piece of hardware, right?
>
> I'm sure Bill Gates is aware of it. Microsoft produces an awful lot of
> expensive concept.
Don't get me started on Microsoft and Gates. I met the man once way
back in the early 80s, before he became a bazillionaire, at a computer
show where we both worked. What a self-important prick he was back
then. Didn't look a day over 14 years old even though he was 22 or
something. I do understand he's changed with his foundations and
philantropy though. Anyway, I am no fan of Windoze. I prefer Unix.
>
> : Chek this link for computer timeline:http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
>
> : Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer. EDSAC
> : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
>
> Charles Babbage was way before that.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
That differential engine didn't work! And Ada Lovelace was probably
more like Linda Lovelace.
[...]
> > > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
>
> > : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
> > : notcie.
>
> > We are tolerant.
>
> : ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
>
> Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the Irish to
> dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY cops.
>
...due to a famine. Why do I get the impression that Ireland is the
Texas of the UK?
Texans have an interesting belief. It goes something like this:
Texas first, to hell with the rest of the US.
US first, to hell with the rest of the world.
I think it will take an alien invasion to get them to think "one
world".
Also, it works backwards to their counties, towns, streets and
families. Ah, I forgot self.
[...]
> > : England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
> > : least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
> > : the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks like
> > : about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
>
> > Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
>
> : No, no, no. Just want to climb them. No water on their tops, silly
> : man.
>
> Oh sure, Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water...
> Sounds pretty daft to me.
>
I see that you have never hiked the Grand Canyon. Well the last time
that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided hike.
They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
found. :)
There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the Grand
Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
[...]
> > : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
>
> > Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
> > and Wales right next door.
>
> : So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
> : apart.
>
> The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
> been there, never wanted too.
Cancun, Mexico is a great place! The water is the best in the world or
at least as good as anywhere else. Aqau blue color. Absolutely
beatiful. I even had a pint at the local with one of your blokes who
also loved Cancun.
> > : Try and
> > : compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park or
> > : Yosemite.
>
> > : Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
> > : Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see the
> > : top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
> > : That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
>
> > If you can see the top of Ben Nevis it's gonna rain.
> > If you can't, it is...
>
> > What you don't have is anything like this:
> > http://www.invectis.co.uk/wakeh/wakeh.html
>
> : Yes, we do. In fact, we have private residences that look like that
> : all across the eastern US. Start with Middleburg, Virginia (horse
> : country) and go either north to Boston and south to New Orleans for
> : literally 100s of places that you just like the one you sent me.
>
> You don't have climate for it. If you are a vegetable England is the great
> place to live. The grass is always green here because it's always pissing
> down with rain.
Well we could use that here in Maryland right now. When one thinks
England one doesn't think 'beach' despite all the coastline. Sort of
like Northern California in that regard.
> : We may have less time here but the trees have been here longer. You
> : don't have tulip trees and we do. :)
>
[...]
He was drunk, that is all I recall.
Smoked salmon is lox.
[...]
> > : But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have" anything
> > : where they speak French?
>
> > Quebec's not *IN* Canada, its just owned BY Canada.
>
> : Who knew?!?
>
> Certainly not the French.
Yes, picture a man standing with his hands up in the air. That is a
French soldier training for WWIII.
Androcles
: On Oct 1, 3:21 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >
: [...]
: >
: > > How come my soccer cards are worth much less than my baseball cards?
: >
: > > Err... resting on your laurels?
: > > Nah... Soccer players pay income tax to a socialist government that
: > > has VAT (equivalent to your sales tax) set at 17.5%.
: >
: > : Somehow I think you missed the point about sports cards.
: >
: > An object or service is worth whatever someone will pay for it.
:
: Yes, I know that. The point is that baseball cards in general are
: worth more than football (and soccer) cards even though that football
: is more popular than baseball these days.
:
: Soccer cards are below basketball, hockey, and NASCAR (no kidding!).
:
: > Since you would have to pay me for me to dispose of your waste
: > paper for you it has negative value, whatever picture is printed on it.
:
: Even the hot cheerleaders?! I heard about your Navy back in the 1800s
: and all, liking one another - if you get my drift, but you're
: borderlining on ridiculous. :)
:
: Wasn't it that issue and scurvy that made them famous?
No, it was kicking Nappy's arse at Cape Trafalgar without any baseball
cards to look at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar
The French and Spanish lost 22 ships, while the British lost none.
That's how we won the War of 1812 in 1805, seven years early.
It was like shooting fish in a barrel, the same as the road to Basra.
: [...]
:
: > : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
: > : because they can.
: >
: > Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big softy
: > games where armour is worn.
:
: Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
: huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and see
: what happens.
You lot huddle around the quarterback trying to sack him and can't run,
then out comes a frigging tape measure.
:
: >
: > > > Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
: > > > that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
: > > > to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
: > > > Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any
day.
: > > > No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
: >
: > > : By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the
NZ
: > > : team to finish the game.
: >
: > > That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
: >
: > > [...]
: >
: > : Why not get a bunch of Rugby players playing Amercian football and see
: > : what happens.
: >
: > Told ya, the NZ All-Blacks would wipe out any American softies.
: > Those Maories are tough.
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori
: > http://www.allblacks.com/
: > The French coach says they are beatable, but he's just blowing smoke.
: >
: > You'd have a hard time against the Welsh, too. England... nah.
:
: In America there is a kid's game that I'm pretty sure is where Rugby
: came from. It's called "smear the queer".
No, it's called "football".
: Basically, the ball is
: thrown straight up and whoever catches gets tackled by every other
: player until he is down and can no longer move. Then the ball is
: thrown up in the air again and cycle is repeated until everyone is
: beat up or until their mums call them home for supper.
Yeah, that's the one, the NFL moms call time-out.
: [...]
:
: > > > : If all was in control during WWII, then why did we bother with
coming
: > > > : over to Europe in the first place?
: >
: > > > To hide from the Japanese, of course. That's why my father went to
: > > > Burma to kick arse and save your lot.
: >
: > > : Burma is a much bigger mess today than it was back in WWII. Where
are
: > > : you Brits now?
: >
: > > I told you, resting on our laurels. We only went to Burma you save
your
: > > arses, no other reason.
: >
: > : Right. Well after we saved yours in WWI, you owed us anyway.
: >
: > That was a stalemate.
:
: Huh? No, the German Mark was reduced to 10,000 per farthing, thanks to
: us.
That was thanks to Rothschild. It didn't do you lot much good, you had
a depression, got depressed, got drunk, banned booze, then along came
Al Capone and got you out of the mess so you stitched him up for income
tax instead of being grateful. In the meantime the krauts were building
pocket battleships and the Japs were building Zeroes.
Uncle Sam...zzzzz... nice baseball cards... zzzzz....
"My fellow Americans, we got our arses kicked at Pearl Harbour,
a day that will love in infamy, but I've got a Babe Ruth, anyone
wanna swap baseball cards?" -- Roosevelt.
: > > > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
: >
: > > > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
: > > > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
: >
: > > : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
: >
: > > We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
: > > was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
: > > "We are not amused."
: >
: > : War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive and
: > : well!
: >
: > Yeah, we kicked the Mexicans out for ya at the Alamo in Saint Anthony.
:
: We lost that battle but womn the war.
Battle? BATTLE? Whaddya mean, battle? That wasn't a battle, that was
a lover's tiff. Consuela throwing pots and pans at Davey Crockett's silly
hat in a church mission, as if he could cook guacamole in it. You can piss
off a Mexican maid, but insult her cooking with a coonskin hat and she's
gonna get really mad.
: > Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why you
: > showed up late for WWII.
:
: Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
: Serbs?!
Nah, it was a just a bad trait you learned from us.
: >
: >
: > > > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
: > > > You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
: > > > habit from you as well.
: >
: > > : No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
: > > : initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
: >
: > > Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
: >
: > > > : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
: > > > : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
: > > > Poland."
: > > > : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took
it
: > > > in
: > > > : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our
: > > > help.
: > > > : >
: > > > : > Needed your help after we'd won?
: > > > :
: > > > : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
: >
: > > > The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
: >
: > > : But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
: >
: > > So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
: >
: > : It is a trait we learned and perfected from you.
: >
: > Yeah, we never did perfect it. Seemed a good idea, though.
:
: I dunno, with nukes and all in the world, I think it sort of a silly
: way to try and make money.
Don't try to steal Consuela's guacamole recipe at the Alamo, then.
: >
: > > > : If anything Hitler
: > > > : started falling apart
: > > > : after making the same mistake Napoleon did in Russia.
: >
: > > > Yeah, but it took Wellington and Nelson to finish off Nappy and
: > > > you lot got Louisiana out of it. Can't trust the Frogs, the Krauts
: > > > or the Russkies.
: >
: > > : Only Israel...
: >
: > > You can trust that lot to start a war... its been that way since the
walls
: > > of Jericho came tumbling down by blowing a trumpet at 'em and it's
: > > STILL going on. They'll kill every living thing, they are the chosen.
: > > Those bastards even stopped the sun moving, or if Copernicus
: > > was right, the world from turning.
: > > That was before inertia was discovered.
: > > Mind you, if the world did stop turning the walls would come
: > > tumbling down.
: >
: > : War for profit has to have funds and banking. The Rothschilds are the
: > : example.
: >
: > There ya go, the German Jews perfected it.
:
: With banks in London and elsewhere.
<yawn>
: > > > : > That's a joke. It was your lot
With banks in London and elsewhere,
: at a computer
: show where we both worked. What a self-important prick he was back
: then. Didn't look a day over 14 years old even though he was 22 or
: something. I do understand he's changed with his foundations and
: philantropy though. Anyway, I am no fan of Windoze. I prefer Unix.
He has more baseball cards than you and they are worth more if he spits
on them. If you want to go in for name-dropping of self important pricks
I offered to buy Stephen Hawking a pint at Sussex U. 30 years ago.
He can't be English, his wife declined and pushed his gurney away.
That's pussy-whipped AND aleless.
: >
: > : Chek this link for computer
timeline:http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
: >
: > : Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer. EDSAC
: > : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
: >
: > Charles Babbage was way before that.
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
:
: That differential engine didn't work! And Ada Lovelace was probably
: more like Linda Lovelace.
Nor did EDSAC.
Life of a vacuum tube, 5,000 hours.
Life of 5,000 vacuum tubes, 1 hour.
They have a team of Polish light-bulb changers working 24/7 just
at Cobo Hall in Detroit, I've seen 'em. I didn't count the light-bulbs,
though.
"EDSAC ran its first programs on May 6, 1949, calculating a table of
squares[1] and a list of prime numbers."
You call that a computer?
Babbage's design was for differential equations.
: [...]
:
: > > > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
: >
: > > : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
: > > : notcie.
: >
: > > We are tolerant.
: >
: > : ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
: >
: > Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the Irish
to
: > dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY cops.
: >
:
: ...due to a famine. Why do I get the impression that Ireland is the
: Texas of the UK?
Eire isn't part of the UK. Northern Ireland is. Eire is part of the EEC,
though. If Texas were trying to steal 6 counties from New Mexico
you'd have a correct analogy.
: Texans have an interesting belief. It goes something like this:
:
: Texas first, to hell with the rest of the US.
: US first, to hell with the rest of the world.
:
: I think it will take an alien invasion to get them to think "one
: world".
: Also, it works backwards to their counties, towns, streets and
: families. Ah, I forgot self.
:
: [...]
:
: > > : England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
: > > : least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
: > > : the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks
like
: > > : about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
: >
: > > Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
: >
: > : No, no, no. Just want to climb them. No water on their tops, silly
: > : man.
: >
: > Oh sure, Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water...
: > Sounds pretty daft to me.
: >
:
: I see that you have never hiked the Grand Canyon.
I flew over it on my way from PIT to LAX. Looked like a deep hole in
the ground with water at the bottom to me. Jack and Jill should have
gone down the hill to fetch a pail of water, at least they might have
found a waste tip with some baseball cards lying around.
: Well the last time
: that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided hike.
: They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
: found. :)
I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
: There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
: walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the Grand
: Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
:
There is a new English saying, "never judge a moccasin until you have
ridden a skateboard in a pair of Reeboks".
http://www.rbk.com/rbklaunch.aspx?country=us
: [...]
:
: > > : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
: >
: > > Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
: > > and Wales right next door.
: >
: > : So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
: > : apart.
: >
: > The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
: > been there, never wanted too.
:
: Cancun, Mexico is a great place! The water is the best in the world or
: at least as good as anywhere else. Aqau blue color. Absolutely
: beatiful. I even had a pint at the local with one of your blokes who
: also loved Cancun.
I lived in Florida for a couple of years but avoided Miami...
:
: > > : Try and
: > > : compare the Cliffs of Dover with the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park
or
: > > : Yosemite.
: >
: > > : Cliffs of Dover. 350 feet high?!? I stood in a place in the Grand
: > > : Canyon where I could look straight up at 4400 ft above SL and see
the
: > > : top of a temple that was at 7200 ft. 2800 ft!!!
: > > : That is 8 Cliffs of Dover!!!! Eight stacked!!
: >
: > > If you can see the top of Ben Nevis it's gonna rain.
: > > If you can't, it is...
: >
: > > What you don't have is anything like this:
: > > http://www.invectis.co.uk/wakeh/wakeh.html
: >
: > : Yes, we do. In fact, we have private residences that look like that
: > : all across the eastern US. Start with Middleburg, Virginia (horse
: > : country) and go either north to Boston and south to New Orleans for
: > : literally 100s of places that you just like the one you sent me.
: >
: > You don't have climate for it. If you are a vegetable England is the
great
: > place to live. The grass is always green here because it's always
pissing
: > down with rain.
:
: Well we could use that here in Maryland right now. When one thinks
: England one doesn't think 'beach' despite all the coastline. Sort of
: like Northern California in that regard.
I liked Deep Creek (or "Dip Crick" as they called it in Pitts) but it
still lacked the colours of England. Otherwise Maryland's countryside
and hills is very English-like. I did a little fishing there. English
beaches are fine 3 weeks a year when the sun shines.
http://tinyurl.com/2x568c
Lotta sand, but those kids are clothed.
: > : We may have less time here but the trees have been here longer. You
Baloney. That's the kind of crap the paparazzi put about because they
were the cause of the crash. Freedom of the press belongs to those that
own one.
: > > > : > : Those Pakistanis are better at cricket than the average Brits,
Smoked fish is kippers. Liquid oxygen is lox.
: [...]
:
: > > : But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have" anything
: > > : where they speak French?
: >
: > > Quebec's not *IN* Canada, its just owned BY Canada.
: >
: > : Who knew?!?
: >
: > Certainly not the French.
:
: Yes, picture a man standing with his hands up in the air. That is a
: French soldier training for WWIII.
:
Right on.
Neil Gerace
> I do understand he's changed with his foundations and
> philantropy though. Anyway, I am no fan of Windoze. I prefer Unix.
Of course, it's a hell of a lot easier to be generous with money when
you're rich.
Eric Chomko
Yes, yes, but one needn't be generous either. At least Gates has that.
Henry Ford, the elder, was never like that. Just the opposite.
Androcles
That was before income tax laws (which apparently seem so screwed up
to the small man) were written with men like Gates and Ford in mind.
If he doesn't give it away the guvmint will take it, and if the guvmint
doesn't take it there'll be a bloody revolution. Capitalism works hand-in-
glove with socialism, uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. Its
all about getting an unfair share, but only a share none-the-less.
It's easy for a well-fed man to be a philanthropist and throw out a few
scraps when the wolves are baying at the door.
Eric Chomko
What poem was Kipling on about being a soldier on the battlefield?
Boer war? Afghanistan?
>
> : [...]
> :
> : > : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
> : > : because they can.
> : >
> : > Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big softy
> : > games where armour is worn.
> :
> : Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
> : huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and see
> : what happens.
>
> You lot huddle around the quarterback trying to sack him and can't run,
> then out comes a frigging tape measure.
Measure for the first down. Sorry that the game is too complicated for
you. Yes, some of the rule and penalties are silly but the game has
pads for a reason. They used to not or looked more like Rubgy players
until long passes and hard hits started to loosen too many teeth and
broken bones.
>
> :
> : >
> : > > > Your game is for wussies and you've no excuse for time-outs either,
> : > > > that's just for TV commercials to make a 90 minute game stretch
> : > > > to four hours. I'd back the New Zealand All-Blacks against the
> : > > > Dolphins, Steelers or Browns (or whatever your favourite team) any
> day.
> : > > > No timeouts and no swapping players from offense to defense, though.
> : >
> : > > : By the middle of the game there would not be enough players on the
> NZ
> : > > : team to finish the game.
> : >
> : > > That's a simple denial, you scored 1/10, total 2/20. Must try harder.
> : >
> : > > [...]
> : >
> : > : Why not get a bunch of Rugby players playing Amercian football and see
> : > : what happens.
> : >
> : > Told ya, the NZ All-Blacks would wipe out any American softies.
> : > Those Maories are tough.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maori
> : > http://www.allblacks.com/
> : > The French coach says they are beatable, but he's just blowing smoke.
> : >
> : > You'd have a hard time against the Welsh, too. England... nah.
> :
> : In America there is a kid's game that I'm pretty sure is where Rugby
> : came from. It's called "smear the queer".
>
> No, it's called "football".
Soccer? Soccer is not all all like Rugby.
> : Basically, the ball is
> : thrown straight up and whoever catches gets tackled by every other
> : player until he is down and can no longer move. Then the ball is
> : thrown up in the air again and cycle is repeated until everyone is
> : beat up or until their mums call them home for supper.
>
> Yeah, that's the one, the NFL moms call time-out.
Think about this. All the American sports players make too much money.
Right? But if you could make that sort of money you would too, right?
Baseball has been getting Japanese and hispanic players more and more
by the year. Basketball has been getting Eastern Europeans and even a
Chinese player. All these players are good enought to play and want a
shot at the big bucks.
Where are your great Rugby and Oz footballers in the NFL seeking the
big bucks rather than the smaller salaries where they are? The only
conclusion is that they couldn't make it in the NFL. QED.
American football just failed in Europe after 14 years. It will be
interesting who from there can make it in the NFL. Most will probably
end up in Canada.
And Babe Ruth even went to Japan. And what did those Japs do? Bomb us!
>
> : > > > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
> : >
> : > > > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
> : > > > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
> : >
> : > > : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
> : >
> : > > We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
> : > > was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
> : > > "We are not amused."
> : >
> : > : War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive and
> : > : well!
> : >
> : > Yeah, we kicked the Mexicans out for ya at the Alamo in Saint Anthony.
> :
> : We lost that battle but womn the war.
>
> Battle? BATTLE? Whaddya mean, battle? That wasn't a battle, that was
> a lover's tiff. Consuela throwing pots and pans at Davey Crockett's silly
> hat in a church mission, as if he could cook guacamole in it. You can piss
> off a Mexican maid, but insult her cooking with a coonskin hat and she's
> gonna get really mad.
136 men against Pancho Villa's army? Are you nuts? Didn't you see the
John Wayne movie about the Alamo?
> : > Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why you
> : > showed up late for WWII.
> :
> : Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
> : Serbs?!
>
> Nah, it was a just a bad trait you learned from us.
Another, you mean...
> : >
> : >
> : > > > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
> : > > > You Yanks love war for profit. Seems we picked up that bad
> : > > > habit from you as well.
> : >
> : > > : No, you had it down much before we did. In fact as a British colony
> : > > : initially, that is one trait we never have seemed to eradicate.
> : >
> : > > Yep. We sold tin to Holy Joe.
> : >
> : > > > : > : If that is the case then why bitch about us getting
> : > > > : > : in so late? "We declared war on Germany after the takeover of
> : > > > Poland."
> : > > > : > : That was 1939. You had three years to get it straight but took
> it
> : > > > in
> : > > > : > : the arse in 1940 losing the Battle of Britain. You needed our
> : > > > help.
> : > > > : >
> : > > > : > Needed your help after we'd won?
> : > > > :
> : > > > : You won nothing until we defeated Hitler in 1945.
> : >
> : > > > The Battle of Britain was won 18 months before you got out of bed.
> : >
> : > > : But why didn't you finish the Nazis off? Couldn't do it...
> : >
> : > > So you could make a profit. You Yanks love war for profit.
> : >
> : > : It is a trait we learned and perfected from you.
> : >
> : > Yeah, we never did perfect it. Seemed a good idea, though.
> :
> : I dunno, with nukes and all in the world, I think it sort of a silly
> : way to try and make money.
>
> Don't try to steal Consuela's guacamole recipe at the Alamo, then.
Note that San Antonio (beautiful city, BTW) is in the US not Mexico.
So the recipe is ours by default!
Hawking is unique. I mean its not like he was going to play a game of
darts afterward, right?
> : >
> : > : Chek this link for computer
> timeline:http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
> : >
> : > : Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer. EDSAC
> : > : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
> : >
> : > Charles Babbage was way before that.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
> :
> : That differential engine didn't work! And Ada Lovelace was probably
> : more like Linda Lovelace.
>
> Nor did EDSAC.
> Life of a vacuum tube, 5,000 hours.
> Life of 5,000 vacuum tubes, 1 hour.
> They have a team of Polish light-bulb changers working 24/7 just
> at Cobo Hall in Detroit, I've seen 'em. I didn't count the light-bulbs,
> though.
>
> "EDSAC ran its first programs on May 6, 1949, calculating a table of
> squares[1] and a list of prime numbers."
>
> You call that a computer?
Back in that day, yes.
> Babbage's design was for differential equations.
A design is not a computer. Hell I can design a time machine too.
> : [...]
> :
> : > > > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
> : >
> : > > : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without large
> : > > : notcie.
> : >
> : > > We are tolerant.
> : >
> : > : ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
> : >
> : > Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the Irish
> to
> : > dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY cops.
> : >
> :
> : ...due to a famine. Why do I get the impression that Ireland is the
> : Texas of the UK?
>
> Eire isn't part of the UK. Northern Ireland is. Eire is part of the EEC,
> though. If Texas were trying to steal 6 counties from New Mexico
> you'd have a correct analogy.
Yes, I just checked the map. Northern Ireland from the small island,
not Douglas the tiny island and Scotland, Wales and England from the
big island.
With that sort of island living no wonder your lot wanted to own all
of the Caribean. :)
> : Texans have an interesting belief. It goes something like this:
> :
> : Texas first, to hell with the rest of the US.
> : US first, to hell with the rest of the world.
> :
> : I think it will take an alien invasion to get them to think "one
> : world".
> : Also, it works backwards to their counties, towns, streets and
> : families. Ah, I forgot self.
> :
> : [...]
> :
> : > > : England appears to be fairyl similar from one place to another. At
> : > > : least you don't see buttes and mesa like in the desert SW. Contrast
> : > > : the 4 corners of the US, now add Alaska and Hawaii. England looks
> like
> : > > : about maybe 10 - 15 of our states but no where near 50.
> : >
> : > > Ya wanna live on a butte or mesa in a desert? Strange.
> : >
> : > : No, no, no. Just want to climb them. No water on their tops, silly
> : > : man.
> : >
> : > Oh sure, Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water...
> : > Sounds pretty daft to me.
> : >
> :
> : I see that you have never hiked the Grand Canyon.
>
> I flew over it on my way from PIT to LAX. Looked like a deep hole in
> the ground with water at the bottom to me. Jack and Jill should have
> gone down the hill to fetch a pail of water, at least they might have
> found a waste tip with some baseball cards lying around.
Ironic that so many British people go there yet you scoff as if it
were a wasteland.
>
> : Well the last time
> : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided hike.
> : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
> : found. :)
>
> I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
> two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
> http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
> : There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
> : walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the Grand
> : Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
> :
>
> There is a new English saying, "never judge a moccasin until you have
> ridden a skateboard in a pair of Reeboks".
> http://www.rbk.com/rbklaunch.aspx?country=us
Reeboks? Are they the cheaper version of Nikes which are a cheaper
version of Adidas?
> : [...]
> :
> : > > : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
> : >
> : > > Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
> : > > and Wales right next door.
> : >
> : > : So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
> : > : apart.
> : >
> : > The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
> : > been there, never wanted too.
> :
> : Cancun, Mexico is a great place! The water is the best in the world or
> : at least as good as anywhere else. Aqau blue color. Absolutely
> : beatiful. I even had a pint at the local with one of your blokes who
> : also loved Cancun.
>
> I lived in Florida for a couple of years but avoided Miami...
Florida is a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. I
have heard too many retired people that became disillusioned with
Florida. My mothr used to live there and hated it. She now lives in
Arkansas and loves it. Many of her local friends in Ark are Florida
transplants.
Like virtually all Maryland lakes, Deep Creek is man made. I have
never been there. Though I have gone white water rafting on the
Youghogeny(sic) River and skiing at 7 Springs.
The driver was NOT drunk? Didn't they do a blood/alcohol test on him?
Kippers are smoked sardines. Salmon is real fish.
Androcles
Did you see it on a baseball card?
Kipling wrote a lot of stuff...
They (hyenas) find the easiest meat that they can, because
"a goat may butt, and a worm may sting,
and a child will sometimes stand;
But a poor dead soldier of a king
Can never lift a hand" (1893).
Each of the many men whose bodies could not be identified also has his own
grave. They all have the same plain statement, a phrase chosen by the writer
Rudyard Kipling (whose only son was killed in action and whose body was only
identified decades later): 'A Soldier of the Great War, Known Unto God'.
Lieutenant Colonel R.C. Ayers confirms that there is little doubt that
Kipling used the 2nd Afghan War as the setting for "The Drums of the Fore
and Aft",
: > : [...]
: > :
: > : > : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
: > : > : because they can.
: > : >
: > : > Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big
softy
: > : > games where armour is worn.
: > :
: > : Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
: > : huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and see
: > : what happens.
: >
: > You lot huddle around the quarterback trying to sack him and can't run,
: > then out comes a frigging tape measure.
:
: Measure for the first down. Sorry that the game is too complicated for
: you. Yes, some of the rule and penalties are silly but the game has
: pads for a reason. They used to not or looked more like Rubgy players
: until long passes and hard hits started to loosen too many teeth and
: broken bones.
:
Awww... mustn't hurt the poor little darlings.
: > :
: > : >
I didn't say that. I said an object or a service is worth what someone
will pay for it. That's true for a ball game or a symphony concert.
Work on this:
You have a stadium with (say) 50,000 seats.
Give the seats away free, no income.
Charge $1000 per seat, only a 1,000 very rich will come to the game.
Income $1,000,000 and 49,000 empty seats.
Charge $50 per seat, you have a packed stadium (or concert hall).
Income $2,500,000.
Charge $100 per seat, you have 30,000 seats taken, 20,000 unoccupied.
Income $3,000,000.
Charge $75 per seat, you have 40,000 seats taken, 10,000 unoccupied.
Income $3,000,000.
What percentage of seats must remain unoccupied to maximize income?
: But if you could make that sort of money you would too, right?
No. I have enough money, I don't want more than need.
I'll take a windfall, sure, but I'm not going to put myself out to
risk a broken leg to make more money than I need.
:
: Baseball has been getting Japanese and hispanic players more and more
: by the year. Basketball has been getting Eastern Europeans and even a
: Chinese player. All these players are good enought to play and want a
: shot at the big bucks.
:
: Where are your great Rugby and Oz footballers in the NFL seeking the
: big bucks rather than the smaller salaries where they are? The only
: conclusion is that they couldn't make it in the NFL. QED.
:
: American football just failed in Europe after 14 years. It will be
: interesting who from there can make it in the NFL. Most will probably
: end up in Canada.
Doesn't matter to me. I don't like ball games anyway.
:
: >
: > : [...]
They won. They've got your car and electronics industry sewn up,
now they are putting HDTV on the Moon. You should have backed us
up with Concorde, the next thing you'll see is the Far East taking over
Boeing. The American economy is going DOWN, your biggest attractions
are Disneyland and the wheat in the Mid West and you'll have to hide behind
nukes to keep it, the third world will build their own Disneyland and
baseball stadiums, print their own baseball cards once they have your
wheat. You went to sleep before WWII, you are still asleep today.
North Korea and China are ARMED.
: >
: > : > > > : You act as if you didn't need either the Ruskies or us.
: > : >
: > : > > > The Russkies had the winter to help them, same as they did
: > : > > > when Napoleon tried his luck. We had to kick his arse, too,
: > : >
: > : > > : Seems that was a convenient excuse for losing the War of 1812.
: > : >
: > : > > We won that one too. The Empire took off when good Queen Vicky
: > : > > was on the throne, even if her lover Albert was a kraut.
: > : > > "We are not amused."
: > : >
: > : > : War of 1812, you won? LOL! Yes, UK-centric history is quite alive
and
: > : > : well!
: > : >
: > : > Yeah, we kicked the Mexicans out for ya at the Alamo in Saint
Anthony.
: > :
: > : We lost that battle but womn the war.
: >
: > Battle? BATTLE? Whaddya mean, battle? That wasn't a battle, that was
: > a lover's tiff. Consuela throwing pots and pans at Davey Crockett's
silly
: > hat in a church mission, as if he could cook guacamole in it. You can
piss
: > off a Mexican maid, but insult her cooking with a coonskin hat and she's
: > gonna get really mad.
:
:
: 136 men against Pancho Villa's army? Are you nuts? Didn't you see the
: John Wayne movie about the Alamo?
Poncho Villain be damned, not even Mad Anthony Wayne could stand
against Consuela when you insult her guacamole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Wayne
The Alamo is in San Antonio, named after Anthony Wayne, not John Wayne.
You guys just don't know your own history.
:
: > : > Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why
you
: > : > showed up late for WWII.
: > :
: > : Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
: > : Serbs?!
: >
: > Nah, it was a just a bad trait you learned from us.
:
: Another, you mean...
Yeah, well, you-all is on our side mostly, but we be restin', you be
akippin'.
There you go, see. You'll make Consuela mad again, have to send in
Mad Anthony Wayne, she'll send Poncho Villain to kick John
Wayne's arse and then we'll have to rescue you all over again
or Texas will become New New Mexico and you offered it to us
when we really wanted Alaska. Leave the guacamole alone.
: > : >
I don't think the bar at Sussex U. had a dart board. Brighton
has more queers than San Francisco anyway. That prat Georgey III
that cost us the colonies had his summer holiday farmhouse down there.
His son Georgey IV did a bit of remodelling.
http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/palace/the_palace.asp
Not quite as plain as the White House, but it is white.
: > : >
: > : > : Chek this link for computer
: > timeline:http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
: > : >
: > : > : Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer.
EDSAC
: > : > : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
: > : >
: > : > Charles Babbage was way before that.
: > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
: > :
: > : That differential engine didn't work! And Ada Lovelace was probably
: > : more like Linda Lovelace.
: >
: > Nor did EDSAC.
: > Life of a vacuum tube, 5,000 hours.
: > Life of 5,000 vacuum tubes, 1 hour.
: > They have a team of Polish light-bulb changers working 24/7 just
: > at Cobo Hall in Detroit, I've seen 'em. I didn't count the light-bulbs,
: > though.
: >
: > "EDSAC ran its first programs on May 6, 1949, calculating a table of
: > squares[1] and a list of prime numbers."
: >
: > You call that a computer?
:
: Back in that day, yes.
:
: > Babbage's design was for differential equations.
:
: A design is not a computer.
"In 1991 a perfectly functioning difference engine was constructed from
Babbage's original plans."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
: Hell I can design a time machine too.
John Harrison beat you to it.
http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/john_harrison.htm
And that was BEFORE Babbage, too, AND it worked.
: > : [...]
: > :
: > : > > > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
: > : >
: > : > > : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without
large
: > : > > : notcie.
: > : >
: > : > > We are tolerant.
: > : >
: > : > : ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
: > : >
: > : > Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the
Irish
: > to
: > : > dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY
cops.
: > : >
: > :
: > : ...due to a famine. Why do I get the impression that Ireland is the
: > : Texas of the UK?
: >
: > Eire isn't part of the UK. Northern Ireland is. Eire is part of the EEC,
: > though. If Texas were trying to steal 6 counties from New Mexico
: > you'd have a correct analogy.
:
: Yes, I just checked the map. Northern Ireland from the small island,
: not Douglas the tiny island and Scotland, Wales and England from the
: big island.
Something wrong with your map. Douglas is a town on the Isle of Man,
home of the Manx cat. Not the island itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_(cat)
Don't forget the Orkneys, the Shetlands, the Scillies, the Channel Islands
(Jersey and Guernsey)...
Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste dumps and California
get all the lawyers?
(answer at bottom of post)
: With that sort of island living no wonder your lot wanted to own all
: of the Caribean. :)
We are an island nation. At one time we had Malta, Cyprus, Hong Kong,
Australia... the frigging Maoris in New Zealand were just too good at
rugger for us to keep it, and your lot are too soft to play. We have
to bail you out when you insult Consuela's guacamole.
:
: > : Texans have an interesting belief. It goes something like this:
Me? Ironic? Never...
I just take the piss. The Brits laugh at themselves, didn't you ever
see Monty Python?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
Or the Two Ronnies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadRUqMvm9c
: >
: > : Well the last time
: > : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided hike.
: > : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
: > : found. :)
: >
: > I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
: > two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
: > http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
:
: You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
Sure, but you show up late.
: > : There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
: > : walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the Grand
: > : Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
: > :
: >
: > There is a new English saying, "never judge a moccasin until you have
: > ridden a skateboard in a pair of Reeboks".
: > http://www.rbk.com/rbklaunch.aspx?country=us
:
: Reeboks? Are they the cheaper version of Nikes which are a cheaper
: version of Adidas?
Yeah... of course. See
You have a stadium with (say) 50,000 seats.
Give the seats away free, no income.
Charge $1000 per seat, only a 1,000 very rich will come to the game.
Income $1,000,000 and 49,000 empty seats.
Charge $50 per seat, you have a packed stadium (or concert hall).
Income $2,500,000.
Charge $100 per seat, you have 30,000 seats taken, 20,000 unoccupied.
Income $3,000,000.
Charge $75 per seat, you have 40,000 seats taken, 10,000 unoccupied.
Income $3,000,000.
What percentage of seats must remain unoccupied to maximize income?
Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
:> : [...]
: > :
: > : > > : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
: > : >
: > : > > Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
: > : > > and Wales right next door.
: > : >
: > : > : So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
: > : > : apart.
: > : >
: > : > The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
: > : > been there, never wanted too.
: > :
: > : Cancun, Mexico is a great place! The water is the best in the world or
: > : at least as good as anywhere else. Aqau blue color. Absolutely
: > : beatiful. I even had a pint at the local with one of your blokes who
: > : also loved Cancun.
: >
: > I lived in Florida for a couple of years but avoided Miami...
:
: Florida is a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. I
: have heard too many retired people that became disillusioned with
: Florida. My mothr used to live there and hated it. She now lives in
: Arkansas and loves it. Many of her local friends in Ark are Florida
: transplants.
:
So am I, now I'm retired in England. What I enjoyed most in Florida is
clear skies. Seriously.
You do realise this newsgroup is
sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,sci.space.history?
: > :
: > : > > : Try and
You mean (sp), not (sic).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youghiogheny_River
The Yough runs into the Monongahela, that meets the Allegheny
at Pittsburgh and becomes the Ohio which then meets the mighty
Mississippi.
: > : > : We may have less time here but the trees have been here longer.
No, kippers are smoked herring.
No problem with Scottish salmon, though.
:
: > : [...]
: > :
: > : > > : But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have"
anything
: > : > > : where they speak French?
: > : >
: > : > > Quebec's not *IN* Canada, its just owned BY Canada.
: > : >
: > : > : Who knew?!?
: > : >
: > : > Certainly not the French.
: > :
: > : Yes, picture a man standing with his hands up in the air. That is a
: > : French soldier training for WWIII.
: > :
: > Right on.
New Jersey had first choice.
Greg D. Moore (Strider)
news:ChSMi.241009$xp6....@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
Which laws exactly are those?
You mean the ones that William Gates Sr, the Sage of Omaha and others argue
need to be re-instituted?
And even in Ford's timeframe there were others being extremely generous with
their money.
>
>
--
Greg Moore
SQL Server DBA Consulting Remote and Onsite available!
Email: sql (at) greenms.com http://www.greenms.com/sqlserver.html
Eric Chomko
No.
>
> Kipling wrote a lot of stuff...
> They (hyenas) find the easiest meat that they can, because
> "a goat may butt, and a worm may sting,
> and a child will sometimes stand;
> But a poor dead soldier of a king
> Can never lift a hand" (1893).
>
> Each of the many men whose bodies could not be identified also has his own
> grave. They all have the same plain statement, a phrase chosen by the writer
> Rudyard Kipling (whose only son was killed in action and whose body was only
> identified decades later): 'A Soldier of the Great War, Known Unto God'.
We built a tomb for the Unknowns. Touching place in Arlingtom
Cemetary. Perhaps you have seen it?
> Lieutenant Colonel R.C. Ayers confirms that there is little doubt that
> Kipling used the 2nd Afghan War as the setting for "The Drums of the Fore
> and Aft",
I believe that is it. Thatnks.
> : > : [...]
> : > :
> : > : > : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without pads
> : > : > : because they can.
> : > : >
> : > : > Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big
> softy
> : > : > games where armour is worn.
> : > :
> : > : Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
> : > : huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and see
> : > : what happens.
> : >
> : > You lot huddle around the quarterback trying to sack him and can't run,
> : > then out comes a frigging tape measure.
> :
> : Measure for the first down. Sorry that the game is too complicated for
> : you. Yes, some of the rule and penalties are silly but the game has
> : pads for a reason. They used to not or looked more like Rubgy players
> : until long passes and hard hits started to loosen too many teeth and
> : broken bones.
> :
> Awww... mustn't hurt the poor little darlings.
Again, they started without pads.
You will never be rich.
> I'll take a windfall, sure, but I'm not going to put myself out to
> risk a broken leg to make more money than I need.
Wear pads! :)
So what? If we go done we'll bring them with us. Simple as that.
Anyone that tries to take out the US will end up killing themselves.
I like John Wayne's portayal myself.
You guys invent your own history. I rather be ignorant than a liar.
Thanks.
Who is that crazy professor of yours that specializes in UK-centric
history? As bad as the African-America professor with his Afro-centric
rewrite of history.
>
> :
> : > : > Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is why
> you
> : > : > showed up late for WWII.
> : > :
> : > : Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
> : > : Serbs?!
> : >
> : > Nah, it was a just a bad trait you learned from us.
> :
> : Another, you mean...
>
> Yeah, well, you-all is on our side mostly, but we be restin', you be
> akippin'.
How much of the US does the royal family own anyway?
We'll have the Terminator send the alvacados from CA. That should
neutralize everything.
There forebears being in the English Navy. The poor wives, used like
that!
> That prat Georgey III
> that cost us the colonies had his summer holiday farmhouse down there.
> His son Georgey IV did a bit of remodelling.
> http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/palace/the_palace.asp
> Not quite as plain as the White House, but it is white.
Plain is better than burned as your lot did in the 1812 war you lost.
>
> : > : >
> : > : > : Chek this link for computer
> : > timeline:http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
> : > : >
> : > : > : Turing as great as he was was not the first computer pioneer.
> EDSAC
> : > : > : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDSAC) was your first real computer.
> : > : >
> : > : > Charles Babbage was way before that.
> : > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
> : > :
> : > : That differential engine didn't work! And Ada Lovelace was probably
> : > : more like Linda Lovelace.
> : >
> : > Nor did EDSAC.
> : > Life of a vacuum tube, 5,000 hours.
> : > Life of 5,000 vacuum tubes, 1 hour.
> : > They have a team of Polish light-bulb changers working 24/7 just
> : > at Cobo Hall in Detroit, I've seen 'em. I didn't count the light-bulbs,
> : > though.
> : >
> : > "EDSAC ran its first programs on May 6, 1949, calculating a table of
> : > squares[1] and a list of prime numbers."
> : >
> : > You call that a computer?
> :
> : Back in that day, yes.
> :
> : > Babbage's design was for differential equations.
> :
> : A design is not a computer.
>
> "In 1991 a perfectly functioning difference engine was constructed from
> Babbage's original plans."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
Why haven't they sold any of them?
> : Hell I can design a time machine too.
>
> John Harrison beat you to it.
> http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/john_harrison.htm
> And that was BEFORE Babbage, too, AND it worked.
Sure it did.
> : > : [...]
> : > :
> : > : > > > Not too many Jews in England, mate.
> : > : >
> : > : > > : That you know of. Only the rich ones that come and go without
> large
> : > : > > : notcie.
> : > : >
> : > : > > We are tolerant.
> : > : >
> : > : > : ...of the Irish. LOL!!!!!
> : > : >
> : > : > Yeah, where you need Poles to change light-bulbs today we used the
> Irish
> : > to
> : > : > dig canals for the industrial revolution. After that you needed NY
> cops.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > : ...due to a famine. Why do I get the impression that Ireland is the
> : > : Texas of the UK?
> : >
> : > Eire isn't part of the UK. Northern Ireland is. Eire is part of the EEC,
> : > though. If Texas were trying to steal 6 counties from New Mexico
> : > you'd have a correct analogy.
> :
> : Yes, I just checked the map. Northern Ireland from the small island,
> : not Douglas the tiny island and Scotland, Wales and England from the
> : big island.
>
> Something wrong with your map. Douglas is a town on the Isle of Man,
> home of the Manx cat. Not the island itself.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_(cat)
It was my eyes. Who owns the Isle of Man? Who gave it that silly name?
Looks like part of the UK but the color is wrong. See:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/united_kingdom_pol87.jpg
>
> Don't forget the Orkneys, the Shetlands, the Scillies, the Channel Islands
> (Jersey and Guernsey)...
> Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste dumps and California
> get all the lawyers?
> (answer at bottom of post)
>
> : With that sort of island living no wonder your lot wanted to own all
> : of the Caribean. :)
>
> We are an island nation. At one time we had Malta, Cyprus, Hong Kong,
> Australia... the frigging Maoris in New Zealand were just too good at
> rugger for us to keep it, and your lot are too soft to play. We have
> to bail you out when you insult Consuela's guacamole.
We have making making Consuela's guacamole almost as long as Consuela
herself. And imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, so I'm not
sure what she is on about.
Face it, your food sucks and ours is great as long as you stay away
from the fast food joints. I can go into DC and get good food from
around the world. Chinese, Thai, Japanese, German, French, Italian,
Mexican, etc., etc. In the UK one must choke down their meal in order
to sustain having nourishment.
You prefer to laugh at others first. The self-deprciating part came
after you spent all your other jokes on others and they stopped
laughing.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
> Or the Two Ronnies?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadRUqMvm9c
>
> : >
> : > : Well the last time
> : > : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided hike.
> : > : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
> : > : found. :)
> : >
> : > I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
> : > two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
> : > http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
> :
> : You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
>
> Sure, but you show up late.
In time to save your butts though.
> : > : There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
> : > : walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the Grand
> : > : Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
> : > :
> : >
> : > There is a new English saying, "never judge a moccasin until you have
> : > ridden a skateboard in a pair of Reeboks".
> : > http://www.rbk.com/rbklaunch.aspx?country=us
> :
> : Reeboks? Are they the cheaper version of Nikes which are a cheaper
> : version of Adidas?
>
> Yeah... of course. See
> You have a stadium with (say) 50,000 seats.
> Give the seats away free, no income.
> Charge $1000 per seat, only a 1,000 very rich will come to the game.
> Income $1,000,000 and 49,000 empty seats.
> Charge $50 per seat, you have a packed stadium (or concert hall).
> Income $2,500,000.
> Charge $100 per seat, you have 30,000 seats taken, 20,000 unoccupied.
> Income $3,000,000.
> Charge $75 per seat, you have 40,000 seats taken, 10,000 unoccupied.
> Income $3,000,000.
> What percentage of seats must remain unoccupied to maximize income?
0% and it depends on actual supply and demand rather than your made up
numbers.
> Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
You neglect cheap labor and manufacturing costs in Third World
countries.
> :> : [...]
> : > :
> : > : > > : There is nothing in England like the US National Parks.
> : > : >
> : > : > > Oh yes there is. Try the Lake District, and then we have Scotland
> : > : > > and Wales right next door.
> : > : >
> : > : > : So. We have Canada and Mexico right next door and they are worlds
> : > : > : apart.
> : > : >
> : > : > The Canucks are just like Yanks. Nice country, too. Mexico... never
> : > : > been there, never wanted too.
> : > :
> : > : Cancun, Mexico is a great place! The water is the best in the world or
> : > : at least as good as anywhere else. Aqau blue color. Absolutely
> : > : beatiful. I even had a pint at the local with one of your blokes who
> : > : also loved Cancun.
> : >
> : > I lived in Florida for a couple of years but avoided Miami...
> :
> : Florida is a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. I
> : have heard too many retired people that became disillusioned with
> : Florida. My mothr used to live there and hated it. She now lives in
> : Arkansas and loves it. Many of her local friends in Ark are Florida
> : transplants.
> :
>
> So am I, now I'm retired in England. What I enjoyed most in Florida is
> clear skies. Seriously.
> You do realise this newsgroup is
> sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary,sci.space.history?
Yes. I'll own my half of off-topic-ness if you own yours.
Very good! All I know is that the Thames runs through London and under
the famous London Bridge, Jr. London Bridge Sr. is in the Mohave
Desert near Needles, CA, as a tourist attraction, though I have never
seen it.
I have Mapquested the Yough and followed it to New Orleans via all its
other tributaries, frame by frame.
You'll have a difficult time putting this Yank in his place WRT US
geography.
Sardines don' have to actually be sardines. Any small fish will do.
Often "sardines" are actually mackeral.
> No problem with Scottish salmon, though.
Alaskan is best!
> :
> : > : [...]
> : > :
> : > : > > : But they speak French in Canada. Surely you can't "have"
> anything
> : > : > > : where they speak French?
> : > : >
> : > : > > Quebec's not *IN* Canada, its just owned BY Canada.
> : > : >
> : > : > : Who knew?!?
> : > : >
> : > : > Certainly not the French.
> : > :
> : > : Yes, picture a man standing with his hands up in the air. That is a
> : > : French soldier training for WWIII.
> : > :
> : > Right on.
>
> New Jersey had first choice.
What is the difference between NJ girls and garbage?
Worst case, you can always eat the garbage...
Androcles
By tradition a British soldier is buried where he falls (a necessity before
flight) and a British sailor is buried at sea. That tradition was broken
after the Falklands debacle when we had to boot the Argentinians out,
some bodies were exhumed and returned to Britain.
Arlington was the former home of Robert E. Lee and was used as a cemetery
out of spite, the Confederacy having lost the war.
: > Lieutenant Colonel R.C. Ayers confirms that there is little doubt that
: > Kipling used the 2nd Afghan War as the setting for "The Drums of the
Fore
: > and Aft",
:
: I believe that is it. Thatnks.
You are welcome.
:
: > : > : [...]
: > : > :
: > : > : > : Rugby players and Australian football players plat without
pads
: > : > : > : because they can.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Cricketers wear pads, baseball players wear gloves. It's the big
: > softy
: > : > : > games where armour is worn.
: > : > :
: > : > : Right. Rugby and Oz football is where the men all have running
: > : > : huddles. Try a little separation and running after the catch and
see
: > : > : what happens.
: > : >
: > : > You lot huddle around the quarterback trying to sack him and can't
run,
: > : > then out comes a frigging tape measure.
: > :
: > : Measure for the first down. Sorry that the game is too complicated for
: > : you. Yes, some of the rule and penalties are silly but the game has
: > : pads for a reason. They used to not or looked more like Rubgy players
: > : until long passes and hard hits started to loosen too many teeth and
: > : broken bones.
: > :
: > Awww... mustn't hurt the poor little darlings.
:
: Again, they started without pads.
Cos they is skeered. Rugger players get their necks broken but they
ain't scared, it's all part of the game. I'd be skeered though.
: > : > : >
I'm as rich as I want to be. Money doesn't buy happiness, it just lets
you pick the kind of misery you want to live in.
:
: > I'll take a windfall, sure, but I'm not going to put myself out to
: > risk a broken leg to make more money than I need.
:
: Wear pads! :)
I'm rich enough to buy my own ball, no sense in fighting over it.
Give them all one each, or play snooker.
:
: > :
: > : Baseball has been getting Japanese and hispanic players more and more
If they are going to die of starvation they'll have nothing to lose.
That's the "so what?"
: > : >
That was Brad Pitt in drag.
:
: You guys invent your own history. I rather be ignorant than a liar.
: Thanks.
Your choice. I'd rather pull your leg than be ignorant.
: Who is that crazy professor of yours that specializes in UK-centric
: history?
John Cleese. He starred in "The Life of Brian", "Monty Python and the
Holy Grail" and other great historical films.
As bad as the African-America professor with his Afro-centric
: rewrite of history.
Nobody I've ever heard of.
:
: >
: > :
: > : > : > Of course we got there late, 1836, that pissed you off and is
why
: > you
: > : > : > showed up late for WWII.
: > : > :
: > : > : Harbored a 100+ year old grudge did we? What do you think we are,
: > : > : Serbs?!
: > : >
: > : > Nah, it was a just a bad trait you learned from us.
: > :
: > : Another, you mean...
: >
: > Yeah, well, you-all is on our side mostly, but we be restin', you be
: > akippin'.
:
: How much of the US does the royal family own anyway?
All of it except Hawaii, that has its own royal family, and Alaska,
owned by the Tsar, who was after all a great-grandson of Queen Vickie.
Queen Victoria's granddaughter Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine (daughter
of
Queen Victoria's daughter Princess Alice ) married Tsar Nicholas II of all
the Russias.
: > : > : > > > while you lot were buying Louisiana to help him out.
You can do that, Consuela doesn't mind which Bush it grows on.
: > : > : >
All the nice girls love a candle,
Every candle has wick.
All the nice girls love a candle,
It's just like a sailor's prick.
:
: > That prat Georgey III
You can have one... just open your purse.
: > : Hell I can design a time machine too.
:
It's your map, it even says "(UK)", but as you point out, the colour
is wrong. You'll do better with Google Earth.
: > Don't forget the Orkneys, the Shetlands, the Scillies, the Channel
Islands
: > (Jersey and Guernsey)...
: > Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste dumps and California
: > get all the lawyers?
: > (answer at bottom of post)
: >
: > : With that sort of island living no wonder your lot wanted to own all
: > : of the Caribean. :)
: >
: > We are an island nation. At one time we had Malta, Cyprus, Hong Kong,
: > Australia... the frigging Maoris in New Zealand were just too good at
: > rugger for us to keep it, and your lot are too soft to play. We have
: > to bail you out when you insult Consuela's guacamole.
:
: We have making making Consuela's guacamole almost as long as Consuela
: herself. And imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, so I'm not
: sure what she is on about.
:
: Face it, your food sucks and ours is great as long as you stay away
: from the fast food joints. I can go into DC and get good food from
: around the world. Chinese, Thai, Japanese, German, French, Italian,
: Mexican, etc., etc. In the UK one must choke down their meal in order
: to sustain having nourishment.
:
I don't need to go to the USA to eat German, French or Italian food.
I can even get a Danish from Denmark at my local store. You don't
have any food of your own except jerky and guacamole, it's all imported.
English muffins, Italian bread, Jewish bagels, German sausage, Danish
pastries, Belgian waffles... the list in endless.
: >
: > :
: > : > : Texans have an interesting belief. It goes something like this:
No good being bitter, son.
:
: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
: > Or the Two Ronnies?
: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadRUqMvm9c
: >
: > : >
: > : > : Well the last time
: > : > : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided
hike.
: > : > : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
: > : > : found. :)
: > : >
: > : > I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
: > : > two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
: > : >
http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
: > :
: > : You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
: >
: > Sure, but you show up late.
:
: In time to save your butts though.
You prefer to sneer at others first. The self-denial part came
after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
crying and slapped your arse.
:
: > : > : There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you have
: > : > : walked a mile in his moccasins". Go walk a mile or six in the
Grand
: > : > : Canyon and then tell me how silly and daft it is.
: > : > :
: > : >
: > : > There is a new English saying, "never judge a moccasin until you
have
: > : > ridden a skateboard in a pair of Reeboks".
: > : > http://www.rbk.com/rbklaunch.aspx?country=us
: > :
: > : Reeboks? Are they the cheaper version of Nikes which are a cheaper
: > : version of Adidas?
: >
: > Yeah... of course. See
: > You have a stadium with (say) 50,000 seats.
: > Give the seats away free, no income.
: > Charge $1000 per seat, only a 1,000 very rich will come to the game.
: > Income $1,000,000 and 49,000 empty seats.
: > Charge $50 per seat, you have a packed stadium (or concert hall).
: > Income $2,500,000.
: > Charge $100 per seat, you have 30,000 seats taken, 20,000 unoccupied.
: > Income $3,000,000.
: > Charge $75 per seat, you have 40,000 seats taken, 10,000 unoccupied.
: > Income $3,000,000.
: > What percentage of seats must remain unoccupied to maximize income?
:
: 0% and it depends on actual supply and demand rather than your made up
: numbers.
If you fill ALL the seats then you could have charged more, the demand
is greater than the supply.
Ok, so you can't solve it and haven't heard of linear programming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_programming
:
: > Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
:
: You neglect cheap labor and manufacturing costs in Third World
: countries.
Why are you writing to sci. newsgroups instead of political
and sociological groups?
I gave you a simple linear programming problem to solve and all
you can come up with is "it depends".
: > :> : [...]
Of course. So what do you know about Algol?
: > : > :
: > : > : > > : Try and
London Bridge Sr. fell down in 60 AD, almost 2000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge
: I have Mapquested the Yough and followed it to New Orleans via all its
: other tributaries, frame by frame.
:
: You'll have a difficult time putting this Yank in his place WRT US
: geography.
Well, let's give it a try...
How close to Needles, CA is Lake Havasu City, Arizona?
London bridge was reconstructed at Lake Havasu City, Arizona and
re-dedicated on October 10, 1971.
:
: > : > : > : We may have less time here but the trees have been here
I've heard of scrod.
:
: > No problem with Scottish salmon, though.
:
: Alaskan is best!
Have you TRIED Scottish salmon?
:
: > :
: > : > : [...]
:
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
[...]
> only
> : > identified decades later): 'A Soldier of the Great War, Known Unto God'.
> :
> : We built a tomb for the Unknowns. Touching place in Arlingtom
> : Cemetary. Perhaps you have seen it?
>
> By tradition a British soldier is buried where he falls (a necessity before
> flight) and a British sailor is buried at sea. That tradition was broken
> after the Falklands debacle when we had to boot the Argentinians out,
> some bodies were exhumed and returned to Britain.
Falklands?! That was like our fight with Grenada, right? Ronnie
Reagan's big military venture while president.
> Arlington was the former home of Robert E. Lee and was used as a cemetery
> out of spite, the Confederacy having lost the war.
Yes, the slaves that homesteaded there during the Civil War got the
boot as well.
You're forcing yourself trying to sound like a redneck and it doesn't
work.
[...]
> : > No. I have enough money, I don't want more than need.
> :
> : You will never be rich.
>
> I'm as rich as I want to be. Money doesn't buy happiness, it just lets
> you pick the kind of misery you want to live in.
Money prevents sadness.
> :
> : > I'll take a windfall, sure, but I'm not going to put myself out to
> : > risk a broken leg to make more money than I need.
> :
> : Wear pads! :)
>
> I'm rich enough to buy my own ball, no sense in fighting over it.
> Give them all one each, or play snooker.
[...]
> : > : And Babe Ruth even went to Japan. And what did those Japs do? Bomb us!
> : >
> : > They won. They've got your car and electronics industry sewn up,
> : > now they are putting HDTV on the Moon. You should have backed us
> : > up with Concorde, the next thing you'll see is the Far East taking over
> : > Boeing. The American economy is going DOWN, your biggest attractions
> : > are Disneyland and the wheat in the Mid West and you'll have to hide
> behind
> : > nukes to keep it, the third world will build their own Disneyland and
> : > baseball stadiums, print their own baseball cards once they have your
> : > wheat. You went to sleep before WWII, you are still asleep today.
> : > North Korea and China are ARMED.
> :
> : So what? If we go done we'll bring them with us. Simple as that.
> : Anyone that tries to take out the US will end up killing themselves.
> :
> If they are going to die of starvation they'll have nothing to lose.
> That's the "so what?"
Who is starving? What ever happened to the World Hunger Project?
[...]
> : > The Alamo is in San Antonio, named after Anthony Wayne, not John Wayne.
> : > You guys just don't know your own history.
> :
> : I like John Wayne's portayal myself.
>
> That was Brad Pitt in drag.
>
> :
> : You guys invent your own history. I rather be ignorant than a liar.
> : Thanks.
>
> Your choice. I'd rather pull your leg than be ignorant.
>
> : Who is that crazy professor of yours that specializes in UK-centric
> : history?
>
> John Cleese. He starred in "The Life of Brian", "Monty Python and the
> Holy Grail" and other great historical films.
No, no, not him and not Rowan Atkinson (great humor!) either. I am
talking about a serious UK Prof that spins UK-centric history.
> As bad as the African-America professor with his Afro-centric
> : rewrite of history.
>
> Nobody I've ever heard of.
I'll have to look him up.
They don't call them seamen for nothing.
>
> :
> : > That prat Georgey III
> : > that cost us the colonies had his summer holiday farmhouse down there.
> : > His son Georgey IV did a bit of remodelling.
> : > http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/palace/the_palace.asp
> : > Not quite as plain as the White House, but it is white.
> :
> : Plain is better than burned as your lot did in the 1812 war you lost.
What did we lose? Seems like you tired to avenge the Revolution and
lost a second time.
No thanks, analog computers are a novelty at best. Digtal is here and
here to stay.
Yes, what does a Texas University know anyway?!
>
> : > Don't forget the Orkneys, the Shetlands, the Scillies, the Channel
> Islands
> : > (Jersey and Guernsey)...
> : > Why did New Jersey get all the toxic waste dumps and California
> : > get all the lawyers?
> : > (answer at bottom of post)
> : >
> : > : With that sort of island living no wonder your lot wanted to own all
> : > : of the Caribean. :)
> : >
> : > We are an island nation. At one time we had Malta, Cyprus, Hong Kong,
> : > Australia... the frigging Maoris in New Zealand were just too good at
> : > rugger for us to keep it, and your lot are too soft to play. We have
> : > to bail you out when you insult Consuela's guacamole.
> :
> : We have making making Consuela's guacamole almost as long as Consuela
> : herself. And imitation is the sincerist form of flattery, so I'm not
> : sure what she is on about.
> :
> : Face it, your food sucks and ours is great as long as you stay away
> : from the fast food joints. I can go into DC and get good food from
> : around the world. Chinese, Thai, Japanese, German, French, Italian,
> : Mexican, etc., etc. In the UK one must choke down their meal in order
> : to sustain having nourishment.
> :
> I don't need to go to the USA to eat German, French or Italian food.
That's right, you must go into Europe a few kilometers south.
> I can even get a Danish from Denmark at my local store. You don't
> have any food of your own except jerky and guacamole, it's all imported.
No, no, we have ALL of them centralized in one place. That is the
benefit of being a melting pot.
> English muffins, Italian bread, Jewish bagels, German sausage, Danish
> pastries, Belgian waffles... the list in endless.
We get all that plus Asian and Mexican as well as other Latino foods.
But you folks do it so well! We are considered "mere colonials" even
though we kicked your arses twice. :)
> :
> : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
> : > Or the Two Ronnies?
> : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadRUqMvm9c
> : >
> : > : >
> : > : > : Well the last time
> : > : > : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided
> hike.
> : > : > : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans I
> : > : > : found. :)
> : > : >
> : > : > I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
> : > : > two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
> : > : >http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
> : > :
> : > : You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
> : >
> : > Sure, but you show up late.
> :
> : In time to save your butts though.
>
> You prefer to sneer at others first.
Pot, kettle, black...
> The self-denial part came
> after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
> crying and slapped your arse.
Who slapped us again?
I have but don't have the time or desire to pursue it. I leave on
holiday in the morning. Grand Canyon for th 8th time! Rim-to-rim,
again. I'll think about the White Cliffs of Dover when I'm there and
smile. :)
> :
> : > Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
> :
> : You neglect cheap labor and manufacturing costs in Third World
> : countries.
>
> Why are you writing to sci. newsgroups instead of political
> and sociological groups?
I sometimes do both.
> I gave you a simple linear programming problem to solve and all
> you can come up with is "it depends".
It depends on if I am interested or not. If I was put to the task of
solving every problem that exists in the world including yours, then I
wouldn't have time for anything else and I still would never solve
them all. It is about choice and priorities.
Invented in 1960, second version in 1968. Backus and Naur from Europe
defined it using their recursive defintion language we call BNF
(Backus-Naur Form). First block-structure language, though C is an
improvement over Algol. Dynamic storage allocation vs. static storage
(stack-oriented) Begin-End blocks. Complex and simple statements.
Lousy I/O.
Why do you ask? I do recall while getting my Comp Sci degree from
Maryland U, we got the Algol Report from 1960 which defined the
language. I probably still have a copy somehwere. It is probably on
the net someplace.
Was it called "London Bridge" back then?
>
> : I have Mapquested the Yough and followed it to New Orleans via all its
> : other tributaries, frame by frame.
> :
> : You'll have a difficult time putting this Yank in his place WRT US
> : geography.
>
> Well, let's give it a try...
> How close to Needles, CA is Lake Havasu City, Arizona?
Hour or so south along the CA/AZ border on the Colorado which I will
cross on foot in the Grand canyon on Monday.
> London bridge was reconstructed at Lake Havasu City, Arizona and
> re-dedicated on October 10, 1971.
Does it cross the CO river?
No. Is it better than Alaska salmon?
Androcles
: On Oct 4, 5:04 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >
: [...]
: > : > Rudyard Kipling (whose only son was killed in action and whose body
was
: > only
: > : > identified decades later): 'A Soldier of the Great War, Known Unto
God'.
: > :
: > : We built a tomb for the Unknowns. Touching place in Arlingtom
: > : Cemetary. Perhaps you have seen it?
: >
: > By tradition a British soldier is buried where he falls (a necessity
before
: > flight) and a British sailor is buried at sea. That tradition was broken
: > after the Falklands debacle when we had to boot the Argentinians out,
: > some bodies were exhumed and returned to Britain.
:
: Falklands?! That was like our fight with Grenada, right? Ronnie
: Reagan's big military venture while president.
Wasn't really a fight, the Argies brought a knife to a gunfight.
Putting up a French Mirage against a British Harrier is just "plane" silly,
we sold them to the US Marines after that. Mind you, we did use
your sidewinders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder
: > Arlington was the former home of Robert E. Lee and was used as a
Yeah, I'm no redneck. Got a good handle on Pittsburghese, though.
Speak it like a native if I want to, although I've reverted to Cockney.
:
: [...]
:
: > : > No. I have enough money, I don't want more than need.
: > :
: > : You will never be rich.
: >
: > I'm as rich as I want to be. Money doesn't buy happiness, it just lets
: > you pick the kind of misery you want to live in.
:
: Money prevents sadness.
My daughter died of cancer last year, money couldn't prevent that.
There is nothing sadder than to lose your own children.
:
: > :
: > : > I'll take a windfall, sure, but I'm not going to put myself out to
The world will starve, human population is doubling every 33 years, food
supply and land area isn't. You have 300,000,000 now, you'll have
1,200,000,000 in 66 years, 4 times as many, and 2,400,000,000 in
100 years. You'll have enough wheat for you, but you'll fight to keep it
and they'll die to win it from you. You are fighting over oil as it is,
when it comes to food the fighting will be much fiercer.
: [...]
: > : > The Alamo is in San Antonio, named after Anthony Wayne, not John
Wayne.
: > : > You guys just don't know your own history.
: > :
: > : I like John Wayne's portayal myself.
: >
: > That was Brad Pitt in drag.
: >
: > :
: > : You guys invent your own history. I rather be ignorant than a liar.
: > : Thanks.
: >
: > Your choice. I'd rather pull your leg than be ignorant.
: >
: > : Who is that crazy professor of yours that specializes in UK-centric
: > : history?
: >
: > John Cleese. He starred in "The Life of Brian", "Monty Python and the
: > Holy Grail" and other great historical films.
:
: No, no, not him and not Rowan Atkinson (great humor!) either. I am
: talking about a serious UK Prof that spins UK-centric history.
:
Dunno <shrug>
: > As bad as the African-America professor with his Afro-centric
You wrote it, its got a ":" just in front of it. You answer it
:
: > : >
: > : > : > : >
Yeah, good old George Boole and Alan Turing.
: > : > : Hell I can design a time machine too.
A tad more than Mississippi, Georgia and Tennessee put together.
:
: >
: > : > Don't forget the Orkneys, the Shetlands, the Scillies, the Channel
We brew the best bitter.
http://www.ringwoodbrewery.co.uk/best_bitter.htm
: > :
: > : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhlQfXUk7w
: > : > Or the Two Ronnies?
: > : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MadRUqMvm9c
: > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > : > : Well the last time
: > : > : > : that I did I ran into about 50 of your countrymen on a guided
: > hike.
: > : > : > : They certianly weren't as rugged and ready as the few Germans
I
: > : > : > : found. :)
: > : > : >
: > : > : > I told ya, the krauts are formidable. We still whopped them in
: > : > : > two world wars and the World Cup Final in 1966, though.
: > : > :
>http://www.the-english-football-archive.com/england/world_cup/1966.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : You needed help with everything except the 40+ year old World Cup.
: > : >
: > : > Sure, but you show up late.
: > :
: > : In time to save your butts though.
: >
: > You prefer to sneer at others first.
:
: Pot, kettle, black...
:
: > The self-denial part came
: > after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
: > crying and slapped your arse.
:
: Who slapped us again?
Al Qaeda.
:
: > :
: > : > : > : There is an old Indian saying, "never judge a man until you
Have a nice trip.
: > :
: > : > Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
It's an astronomy newsgroup. Programming languages are out of place.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm
Err... Londinium Bridge, I think.
:
: >
: > : I have Mapquested the Yough and followed it to New Orleans via all its
: > : other tributaries, frame by frame.
: > :
: > : You'll have a difficult time putting this Yank in his place WRT US
: > : geography.
: >
: > Well, let's give it a try...
: > How close to Needles, CA is Lake Havasu City, Arizona?
:
: Hour or so south along the CA/AZ border on the Colorado which I will
: cross on foot in the Grand canyon on Monday.
:
: > London bridge was reconstructed at Lake Havasu City, Arizona and
: > re-dedicated on October 10, 1971.
:
: Does it cross the CO river?
I'm having a difficult time putting that Yank in his place WRT US
geography.
:
: > : > : > : > : We may have less time here but the trees have been here
Better than Alaskan scrod.
:
: > :
: > : > :
: > : > : > : [...]
: > :
:
:
Eric Chomko
> "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1191615800....@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> : On Oct 4, 5:04 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> : >
[...]
> : Falklands?! That was like our fight with Grenada, right? Ronnie
> : Reagan's big military venture while president.
>
> Wasn't really a fight, the Argies brought a knife to a gunfight.
> Putting up a French Mirage against a British Harrier is just "plane" silly,
> we sold them to the US Marines after that. Mind you, we did use
> your sidewinders.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder
>
[...]
> : > Cos they is skeered. Rugger players get their necks broken but they
> : > ain't scared, it's all part of the game. I'd be skeered though.
> :
> : You're forcing yourself trying to sound like a redneck and it doesn't
> : work.
>
> Yeah, I'm no redneck. Got a good handle on Pittsburghese, though.
> Speak it like a native if I want to, although I've reverted to Cockney.
I bet I could tell you are a Brit through your Pittsburg accent. :)
> :
> : [...]
> :
> : > : > No. I have enough money, I don't want more than need.
> : > :
> : > : You will never be rich.
> : >
> : > I'm as rich as I want to be. Money doesn't buy happiness, it just lets
> : > you pick the kind of misery you want to live in.
> :
> : Money prevents sadness.
>
> My daughter died of cancer last year, money couldn't prevent that.
> There is nothing sadder than to lose your own children.
Yes, sorry to hear that. Yes, money can't solve all the world's
problems.
[...]
> : > : > wheat. You went to sleep before WWII, you are still asleep today.
> : > : > North Korea and China are ARMED.
> : > :
> : > : So what? If we go done we'll bring them with us. Simple as that.
> : > : Anyone that tries to take out the US will end up killing themselves.
> : > :
> : > If they are going to die of starvation they'll have nothing to lose.
> : > That's the "so what?"
> :
> : Who is starving? What ever happened to the World Hunger Project?
>
> The world will starve, human population is doubling every 33 years, food
> supply and land area isn't. You have 300,000,000 now, you'll have
> 1,200,000,000 in 66 years, 4 times as many, and 2,400,000,000 in
> 100 years. You'll have enough wheat for you, but you'll fight to keep it
> and they'll die to win it from you. You are fighting over oil as it is,
> when it comes to food the fighting will be much fiercer.
Empires used to move based upon grain. Now they move based upon oil.
Are you saying we will go backward?
> : [...]
> : > : > The Alamo is in San Antonio, named after Anthony Wayne, not John
> Wayne.
> : > : > You guys just don't know your own history.
> : > :
> : > : I like John Wayne's portayal myself.
> : >
> : > That was Brad Pitt in drag.
> : >
> : > :
> : > : You guys invent your own history. I rather be ignorant than a liar.
> : > : Thanks.
> : >
> : > Your choice. I'd rather pull your leg than be ignorant.
> : >
> : > : Who is that crazy professor of yours that specializes in UK-centric
> : > : history?
> : >
> : > John Cleese. He starred in "The Life of Brian", "Monty Python and the
> : > Holy Grail" and other great historical films.
> :
> : No, no, not him and not Rowan Atkinson (great humor!) either. I am
> : talking about a serious UK Prof that spins UK-centric history.
> :
> Dunno <shrug>
Me neither...
> : > As bad as the African-America professor with his Afro-centric
> : > : rewrite of history.
> : >
> : > Nobody I've ever heard of.
> :
> : I'll have to look him up.
> :
[...]
> : > : > Not quite as plain as the White House, but it is white.
> : > :
> : > : Plain is better than burned as your lot did in the 1812 war you lost.
> :
> : What did we lose? Seems like you tired to avenge the Revolution and
> : lost a second time.
>
> You wrote it, its got a ":" just in front of it. You answer it
We lost nothing during the War of 1812, but you lost the seas.
[...]
> : > : > "In 1991 a perfectly functioning difference engine was constructed
> from
> : > : > Babbage's original plans."
> : > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
> : > :
> : > : Why haven't they sold any of them?
> : >
> : > You can have one... just open your purse.
> :
> : No thanks, analog computers are a novelty at best. Digtal is here and
> : here to stay.
>
> Yeah, good old George Boole and Alan Turing.
>
[...]
> : > :
> : > It's your map, it even says "(UK)", but as you point out, the colour
> : > is wrong. You'll do better with Google Earth.
> :
> : Yes, what does a Texas University know anyway?!
>
> A tad more than Mississippi, Georgia and Tennessee put together.
Maybe...
[...]
> : But you folks do it so well! We are considered "mere colonials" even
> : though we kicked your arses twice. :)
> :
> We brew the best bitter.
> http://www.ringwoodbrewery.co.uk/best_bitter.htm
Who wants to brink bitter instead of beer?
[...]
> : > The self-denial part came
> : > after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
> : > crying and slapped your arse.
> :
> : Who slapped us again?
>
> Al Qaeda.
The only lasting thing they did is to cause long lines in the security
areas of airports. THAT is what 9-11 did to America. Nothing more.
[...]
> : I have but don't have the time or desire to pursue it. I leave on
> : holiday in the morning. Grand Canyon for th 8th time! Rim-to-rim,
> : again. I'll think about the White Cliffs of Dover when I'm there and
> : smile. :)
>
> Have a nice trip.
I did!!
> : > :
> : > : > Now apply that to the selling price of Reeboks.
> : > :
> : > : You neglect cheap labor and manufacturing costs in Third World
> : > : countries.
> : >
> : > Why are you writing to sci. newsgroups instead of political
> : > and sociological groups?
> :
> : I sometimes do both.
> :
> : > I gave you a simple linear programming problem to solve and all
> : > you can come up with is "it depends".
> :
> : It depends on if I am interested or not. If I was put to the task of
> : solving every problem that exists in the world including yours, then I
> : wouldn't have time for anything else and I still would never solve
> : them all. It is about choice and priorities.
> :
[...]
> : > Of course. So what do you know about Algol?
> :
> : Invented in 1960, second version in 1968. Backus and Naur from Europe
> : defined it using their recursive defintion language we call BNF
> : (Backus-Naur Form). First block-structure language, though C is an
> : improvement over Algol. Dynamic storage allocation vs. static storage
> : (stack-oriented) Begin-End blocks. Complex and simple statements.
> : Lousy I/O.
> :
> : Why do you ask?
> It's an astronomy newsgroup. Programming languages are out of place.
> http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Algol/Algol.htm
>
I'll check your cite.
Algol, the star! I'm a computer engineer first and an amateur
astronomer second.
> I do recall while getting my Comp Sci degree from
> : Maryland U, we got the Algol Report from 1960 which defined the
> : language. I probably still have a copy somehwere. It is probably on
> : the net someplace.
Geez, I really thought you meant the programming language.
[...]
> : > : Very good! All I know is that the Thames runs through London and under
> : > : the famous London Bridge, Jr. London Bridge Sr. is in the Mohave
> : > : Desert near Needles, CA, as a tourist attraction, though I have never
> : > : seen it.
> : >
> : > London Bridge Sr. fell down in 60 AD, almost 2000 years ago.
> : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge
> :
> : Was it called "London Bridge" back then?
>
> Err... Londinium Bridge, I think.
>
> :
> : >
> : > : I have Mapquested the Yough and followed it to New Orleans via all its
> : > : other tributaries, frame by frame.
> : > :
> : > : You'll have a difficult time putting this Yank in his place WRT US
> : > : geography.
> : >
> : > Well, let's give it a try...
> : > How close to Needles, CA is Lake Havasu City, Arizona?
> :
> : Hour or so south along the CA/AZ border on the Colorado which I will
> : cross on foot in the Grand canyon on Monday.
> :
> : > London bridge was reconstructed at Lake Havasu City, Arizona and
> : > re-dedicated on October 10, 1971.
> :
> : Does it cross the CO river?
>
> I'm having a difficult time putting that Yank in his place WRT US
> geography.
I have never been to Lake Havasu, but plan to someday.
Androcles
: On Oct 5, 7:52 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: >
: > news:1191615800....@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
: > : On Oct 4, 5:04 pm, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > : > "Eric Chomko" <pne.cho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
: > : >
: [...]
:
: > : Falklands?! That was like our fight with Grenada, right? Ronnie
: > : Reagan's big military venture while president.
: >
: > Wasn't really a fight, the Argies brought a knife to a gunfight.
: > Putting up a French Mirage against a British Harrier is just "plane"
silly,
: > we sold them to the US Marines after that. Mind you, we did use
: > your sidewinders.
: >
: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder
: >
:
: [...]
:
: > : > Cos they is skeered. Rugger players get their necks broken but they
: > : > ain't scared, it's all part of the game. I'd be skeered though.
: > :
: > : You're forcing yourself trying to sound like a redneck and it doesn't
: > : work.
: >
: > Yeah, I'm no redneck. Got a good handle on Pittsburghese, though.
: > Speak it like a native if I want to, although I've reverted to Cockney.
:
: I bet I could tell you are a Brit through your Pittsburg accent. :)
Hi youens. Home from the Outback?
:
: > :
: > : [...]
You can't eat oil or coal, an army still marches on it's stomach.
The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is overpopulation,
each war more ferocious than the last.
Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been eaten.
At what time was the jar half full?
:
: > : [...]
The last great naval battle was Jutland, 1916.
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/jutland.html
Nobody won.
: [...]
:
: > : > : > "In 1991 a perfectly functioning difference engine was
constructed
: > from
: > : > : > Babbage's original plans."
: > : > : > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Babbage
: > : > :
: > : > : Why haven't they sold any of them?
: > : >
: > : > You can have one... just open your purse.
: > :
: > : No thanks, analog computers are a novelty at best. Digtal is here and
: > : here to stay.
: >
: > Yeah, good old George Boole and Alan Turing.
: >
: [...]
:
: > : > :
: > : > It's your map, it even says "(UK)", but as you point out, the colour
: > : > is wrong. You'll do better with Google Earth.
: > :
: > : Yes, what does a Texas University know anyway?!
: >
: > A tad more than Mississippi, Georgia and Tennessee put together.
:
: Maybe...
:
:
: [...]
:
: > : But you folks do it so well! We are considered "mere colonials" even
: > : though we kicked your arses twice. :)
: > :
: > We brew the best bitter.
: > http://www.ringwoodbrewery.co.uk/best_bitter.htm
:
: Who wants to brink bitter instead of beer?
Err... me?
:
:
: [...]
:
: > : > The self-denial part came
: > : > after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
: > : > crying and slapped your arse.
: > :
: > : Who slapped us again?
: >
: > Al Qaeda.
:
: The only lasting thing they did is to cause long lines in the security
: areas of airports. THAT is what 9-11 did to America. Nothing more.
:
A lasting effect...
: [...]
Software engineering, vintage 1993:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Copernicus/LCV.htm
First produced in DOS (now lost) on a '386 with math co-processor
for 16 bit 12 MHz machines, using Visual C++ Rev 1.0 and still running.
: > I do recall while getting my Comp Sci degree from
:
:
Eric Chomko
Sounds almost like Scranton will their wocken and tocken..
Modern armies need oil (gas). If you're down to having food vs. not
having food you already lost.
> The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
> it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is overpopulation,
> each war more ferocious than the last.
All the population models indicate a flattening out of acceleration by
the middle of this century.
>
> Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
> 11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
> they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
> 8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
> until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been eaten.
> At what time was the jar half full?
Humans are not microbes and Third Worlders will need transportation
that they now lack to "run" over us. You have a few faulty premises.
Sort of reminds me of the Japanese being proud of eating raw fish, or
the Irish for eating potatoes or Americans for eating hamburgers.
>
> :
> :
> : [...]
> :
> : > : > The self-denial part came
> : > : > after you spent all your other insults on others and they stopped
> : > : > crying and slapped your arse.
> : > :
> : > : Who slapped us again?
> : >
> : > Al Qaeda.
> :
> : The only lasting thing they did is to cause long lines in the security
> : areas of airports. THAT is what 9-11 did to America. Nothing more.
> :
> A lasting effect...
Yes, every time I fly and wait in a security line I think of what 9/11
did to America. That is ALL they did. We lose more Americans on
highways in 21 days than we did on 9/11/01.
If a terrorist attack only made security lines in airports longer,
then clearly, though an annoyance, they failed.
Vintage?!? Surely you jest! Read this link, if you want vintage:
http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/swt/
Androcles
If you are down to finding gas you've already lost. Nobody wins anyway.
:
: > The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
: > it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is
overpopulation,
: > each war more ferocious than the last.
:
: All the population models indicate a flattening out of acceleration by
: the middle of this century.
Wishful thinking doesn't prevent crime and sex isn't a crime.
Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
:
: >
: > Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
: > 11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
: > they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
: > 8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
: > until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been eaten.
: > At what time was the jar half full?
:
: Humans are not microbes and Third Worlders will need transportation
: that they now lack to "run" over us. You have a few faulty premises.
You didn't answer the question, you have your head buried in the sand.
: >
: > :
: > : > : [...]
That reminds me that Americans like to be couch potatoes.
: >
: > :
: > :
: > : [...]
: > :
: > : > : > The self-denial part came
: > : > : > after you spent all your other insults on others and they
stopped
: > : > : > crying and slapped your arse.
: > : > :
: > : > : Who slapped us again?
: > : >
: > : > Al Qaeda.
: > :
: > : The only lasting thing they did is to cause long lines in the security
: > : areas of airports. THAT is what 9-11 did to America. Nothing more.
: > :
: > A lasting effect...
:
: Yes, every time I fly and wait in a security line I think of what 9/11
: did to America. That is ALL they did. We lose more Americans on
: highways in 21 days than we did on 9/11/01.
:
: If a terrorist attack only made security lines in airports longer,
: then clearly, though an annoyance, they failed.
:
Never mind that the dollar has fallen from $1.60 to the pound
to $2.00 to the pound... You don't notice it so it never happened,
it has nothing to do with changes in American foreign policies
brought about by the paranoia Al Qaeda succeeded in producing.
: > : [...]
It's just a term used for the age of wine. I was merely pointing
out my program is somewhat dated, I discovered Algol was not a
double star in 1987, 20 years ago. Voyagers 1 & 2 are 30 years old,
see thread title...
Enjoy your American parochialism.
:
: > : > I do recall while getting my Comp Sci degree from
: > :
:
:
Scott Hedrick
"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" <mooregr_d...@greenms.com> wrote in message
news:13g8mt2...@corp.supernews.com...
> Which laws exactly are those?
>
> You mean the ones that William Gates Sr, the Sage of Omaha and others
> argue need to be re-instituted?
>
> And even in Ford's timeframe there were others being extremely generous
> with their money.
Gee, you mean Rockefeller and Carnegie *didn't* build all those libraries
because they liked doing it?
Gates Sr makes a compelling argument in favor of the estate tax.
Eric Chomko
The gas people always win...
> :
> : > The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
> : > it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is
> overpopulation,
> : > each war more ferocious than the last.
> :
> : All the population models indicate a flattening out of acceleration by
> : the middle of this century.
>
> Wishful thinking doesn't prevent crime and sex isn't a crime.
> Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
They have better access to you than they do us.
> :
> : >
> : > Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
> : > 11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
> : > they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
> : > 8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
> : > until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been eaten.
> : > At what time was the jar half full?
> :
> : Humans are not microbes and Third Worlders will need transportation
> : that they now lack to "run" over us. You have a few faulty premises.
>
> You didn't answer the question, you have your head buried in the sand.
No, I simply ignored your riddle.
Indeed...
> : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : [...]
> : > :
> : > : > : > The self-denial part came
> : > : > : > after you spent all your other insults on others and they
> stopped
> : > : > : > crying and slapped your arse.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Who slapped us again?
> : > : >
> : > : > Al Qaeda.
> : > :
> : > : The only lasting thing they did is to cause long lines in the security
> : > : areas of airports. THAT is what 9-11 did to America. Nothing more.
> : > :
> : > A lasting effect...
> :
> : Yes, every time I fly and wait in a security line I think of what 9/11
> : did to America. That is ALL they did. We lose more Americans on
> : highways in 21 days than we did on 9/11/01.
> :
> : If a terrorist attack only made security lines in airports longer,
> : then clearly, though an annoyance, they failed.
> :
> Never mind that the dollar has fallen from $1.60 to the pound
> to $2.00 to the pound... You don't notice it so it never happened,
> it has nothing to do with changes in American foreign policies
> brought about by the paranoia Al Qaeda succeeded in producing.
>
As annoyed as I get in airport security lines, I am never paranoid
there.
My $1.60 buys more than your pound. Forget the exchange rate.
I'm enjoying YOUR American parochialism as a consuming obsession. You
labeled it right but mislabled "your".
Androcles
Then the Iranians and Iraqis have already won.
Now they want nuclear energy. Modern armies
use your own planes against you. Outsmarted,
and it smarts.
: > :
: > : > The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
: > : > it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is
: > overpopulation,
: > : > each war more ferocious than the last.
: > :
: > : All the population models indicate a flattening out of acceleration by
: > : the middle of this century.
: >
: > Wishful thinking doesn't prevent crime and sex isn't a crime.
: > Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
:
: They have better access to you than they do us.
Your parochial thinking shows through again.
Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
The third world is going to crawl over the western world
like foraging ants, then it too will die. The greatest crisis
homo sapiens faces is overpopulation, each war more
ferocious than the last.
: > :
: > : >
: > : > Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
: > : > 11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
: > : > they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
: > : > 8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
: > : > until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been
eaten.
: > : > At what time was the jar half full?
: > :
: > : Humans are not microbes and Third Worlders will need transportation
: > : that they now lack to "run" over us. You have a few faulty premises.
: >
: > You didn't answer the question, you have your head buried in the sand.
:
: No, I simply ignored your riddle.
Yes, you simply ignored the problem.
"Ignorant" is a euphemism for "head buried in the sand", which
in turn is a euphemism for
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/15772488_9ddae96d16.jpg
:
: > : >
: > : > :
: > : > : > : [...]
Your parochialism is showing again.
:
: > : > : [...]
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/15772488_9ddae96d16.jpg
But anyway, you are not interested in astronomy and I'm not
interested in your narrow-minded bigotry. Best that we end
this now. *plonk*
Eric Chomko
Not until they are allowed to accept euros instead of dollars for oil.
Now be a good chap and convert your pounds to dollars and pay for that
oil.
>
> : > :
> : > : > The third world is going to crawl over you like foraging ants, then
> : > : > it too will die. The greatest crisis homo sapiens faces is
> : > overpopulation,
> : > : > each war more ferocious than the last.
> : > :
> : > : All the population models indicate a flattening out of acceleration by
> : > : the middle of this century.
> : >
> : > Wishful thinking doesn't prevent crime and sex isn't a crime.
> : > Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
> :
> : They have better access to you than they do us.
>
> Your parochial thinking shows through again.
> Tell it to the third world and see if they listen.
> The third world is going to crawl over the western world
> like foraging ants, then it too will die. The greatest crisis
> homo sapiens faces is overpopulation, each war more
> ferocious than the last.
We do more to try and end world hunger than any other nation despite
of lousy foreign policy.
>
> : > :
> : > : >
> : > : > Look... put Mr. and Mrs. Microbe in a glass jar full of nutrient at
> : > : > 11:00 pm. At 11:01 pm they have 2 little baby Microbes. At 11:02
> : > : > they have 6 more with grandbabies. Then they die but there are now
> : > : > 8 microbes, the population doubles every minute. This continues
> : > : > until midnight when the jar is full and all the nutrient has been
> eaten.
> : > : > At what time was the jar half full?
> : > :
> : > : Humans are not microbes and Third Worlders will need transportation
> : > : that they now lack to "run" over us. You have a few faulty premises.
> : >
> : > You didn't answer the question, you have your head buried in the sand.
> :
> : No, I simply ignored your riddle.
>
> Yes, you simply ignored the problem.
> "Ignorant" is a euphemism for "head buried in the sand", which
> in turn is a euphemism forhttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/12/15772488_9ddae96d16.jpg
No, you lost your sense of humor.
I am interested in Astronomy. See I have this webpage bookmarked and
am considering which version to get:
http://www.ilangainc.com/astroplanner/index.shtml