Re: FreeSerif GNU font for Sanskrit

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

freesans/ freeserif fonts are woefully inadequate (see chrome bugs 1 and 2) for displaying devanAgarI. Hopefully the below will fix it.

Related: Is there a way to make chrome use the font I tell it to?

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Shree Devi Kumar <shree...@gmail.com> wrote:

S

​teve has sent me a development version of GNU freefonts for testing. Any bugs seen can be reported at https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=freefont

Steve had suggested setting language as sanskrit to apply sanskrit based glyphs, however I am not sure, how to do that in Excel.

Attached is a pdf created from an Excel spreadsheet which compares sanskrit2003 orthography with that of freeserif. I have alslo compared them with Chandas, Sahadeva and Kokila (Microsoft font).

Shree

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Sanskrit Team member <sans...@cheerful.com> wrote:

Steve,

If you can formulate your questions or difficulties or list of needs regarding information,
we may be able to pass to appropriate set of people possibly who are involved with it.
I am personally novice with this topic.

Does your conjunct drya and trya display well?

Thanks,
Nandu

 

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From: Steve White

Sent: 09/10/13 05:14 AM

To: Sanskrit Team member, VishvAs VAsuki

Subject: Fwd: Re: revision of Patanjali Yoga-Sutra

 

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:12:06 +0200 
From: Steve White <swh...@zipcon.net> 
To: Shree Devi Kumar <shree...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: revision of Patanjali Yoga-Sutra 

Hi Shree! 

On 10.09.13, Shree Devi Kumar wrote: 
> 
> I had downloaded the fonts recently - during last couple of months. I could 
> experiment/test further with the new version on windows7 and provide devanagari 
> related feedback.  
> 
Recent snapshots are in the Google Drive directory which I have 
shared with you.  You should receive a notification. 

Of course, these snapshots are for your personal use only -- 
please don't distribute them. 

Note that for Windows, the TTF builds work better. 

Regarding Devanagari, there are several special OpenType features. 
Special glyphs for Calcutta, Bombay, and Nepal are available as style 
sets. 
By specifying the language of the text as Sanskrit, many special 
conjuncts are enabled. 
By turning on the Old Ligatures feature, special conjuncts for Old 
Hindi are enabled. 

Attached find test files for the conjuncts, one for XeTeX, one for 
Firefox. 


I'm aware of several problems, including: 
* Something has gone wrong with kerning, at least on Linux 
	(in many situations, it appears "double-kerned") 
* Malayalam is under heavy development, and is not usable. 
* Sinhala has been only partly tested. 

I'm very interested in any observations or suggestions. 


Also find a test page, showing its capa 

> Most HTML files on sanskritdocuments.org use the <PRE> tags and do not specify 
> a font, hence the display is dependent on the font settings in the browser. 
> That process was setup many years ago when unicode devanagari was in its 
> infancy. 
> 
> You can see http://sanskritdocuments.org//tamil/ 
> and http://sanskritdocuments.org//tamil/mpt/VishnustuthiManjari-3-uni-sa.htm 
> (this is a large file) 
> where I have used css for formatting and used  
> white-space: pre-line 
> instead of <PRE>. 
> See http://sanskritdocuments.org//tamil/tamil.css for the css used. 
> This makes the HTML version of the text 'neat' - no <P> or <BR> tags. 
> 
This of course is your decision, and it is easy to change. 

The <pre> tag approach works well if you're sure the lines are never longer 
than the width of the display.  Otherwise, it's better to encode the 
information of where paragraphs and lines end logically, and let the 
software deal with presentation. 

For the purposes, say, of e-books, the display may be really very small, 
For them I use <pre> for very restricted set of situations. 

Cheers! 



<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> 

face [One of: FreeSerif/FreeSans/FreeMono]  weight [One of: normal/bold] 
cons                     S       OH      H       cons S     OH    H     cons S       OH      H 
कक                   क्??क्??क्??ञ??ञ्ञ्ञ्द??द्??द्??द्र्य 
कत                   क्??क्??क्??ञ??ञ्ञ्ञ्द??द्??द्??द्व्य 
कन                   क्??क्??क्??ट??ट्ट्ट्ध??ध्??ध्??ध्न 
कम                   क्??क्??क्??ट??ट्ट्ट्न??न्??न्??न्न 
कय                   क्??क्??क्??ट??ट्ट्ट्प??प्??प्??प्त 
कर                   क्??क्??क्??ट??ट्ट्ट्प??प्??प्??प्न 
कल                   क्??क्??क्??ठ??ठ्ठ्ठ्प??प्??प्??प्ल 
कव                   क्??क्??क्??ड??ड्ड्ड्ब??ब्??ब्??ब्न 
कतय                क्??क्??क्??ड??ड्ड्ड्ब??ब्??ब्??ब्ब 
कतव                क्??क्??क्??ड??ड्ड्ड्ब??ब्??ब्??ब्व 
कनय                क्??क्??क्??ड??ड्ड्ड्भ??भ्??भ्??भ्न 
करय                क्??क्??क्??ड??ड्ड्ड्म??म्??म्??म्न 
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ङघ                   ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्श??श्??श्??श्ल 
ङङ                   ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्श??श्??श्??श्व 
ङन                   ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ष??ष्??ष्??ष्ट 
ङम                   ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ष??ष्??ष्??ष्ठ 
ङय                   ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ष??ष्??ष्??ष्ट्य 
ङकत                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ष??ष्??ष्??ष्ट्व 
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ङकष                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्स??स्??स्??स्न 
ङखय                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्स??स्??स्??स्र 
ङगय                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ह??हृ  हृ  हृ 
ङघय                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्ण 
ङघर                ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्न 
ङकतय             ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्म 
ङकषव             ङ्??ङ्??ङ्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्य 
चच                   च्??च्??च्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्र 
चञ                   च्??च्??च्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्ल 
छय                   छ्??छ्??छ्??द??द्द्द्ह??ह्??ह्??ह्व 
&#x091c;&#x200c;&#x0930; ज्??ज्??ज्र 


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[Manil Damle]

Thanks,
ITs great work you guys are doing,
i could not find how to install this font on my windows 8.
i got pdf but how can I use this font in paint. i am noob graphic designer.
thnnks,
manil

On 9/11/13, विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> freesans/ freeserif fonts are woefully inadequate (see chrome bugs

> 1<https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=236042>and
> 2 <https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=96143>) for

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On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Shree Devi Kumar <shree...@gmail.com> wrote:

S

​teve has sent me a development version of GNU freefonts for testing. Any bugs seen can be reported at https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?group=freefont

Steve had suggested setting language as sanskrit to apply sanskrit based glyphs, however I am not sure, how to do that in Excel.

Fonts can also be tested on chrome by following a two step process.

a] Install the font.

b] Choose to use the font in Chrome: Go to settings, pick the font you just installed ( Search for "font" in settings, get to the Customize fonts button, set all choices to the font you test).

Steve - can you please send me this font?

I am happy that you are developing what may be a good set of Sanskrit fonts - hopefully it will be better than the current alternatives in having standard/ serif/ sans-serif / monospace variants..

Also, do you know where bugs in the FreeSans fonts may be reported?

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

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From: Shree Devi Kumar <shree...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: FreeSerif GNU font for Sanskrit
To: "विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)" <vishvas...@gmail.com>
Cc: Sanskrit Team member <sans...@cheerful.com>, Steve White <swh...@zipcon.net>, Sunder Hattangadi <sun...@hotmail.com>, Vinodh Rajan <vin...@virtualvinodh.com>, Amba Kulkarni <ambap...@gmail.com>, Hariram Pansari <hari...@gmail.com>

Hello All,

​I have attached with this email a pdf created using xeLatex on windows7 which shows the various styles available within freeserif font and compares them to a few other unicode fonts. I have highlighted a few cases where FreeSerif needs correction.

I would appreciate if you can take a look and provide feedback regarding any other changes required for FreeSerif font to Steve.

Vishvas, I like your idea about separating the fonts for each language.

Steve,

I got a fontspec error for Marathi. Please check. It gives same error with script 'devanagari'. Hence, I have not checked for Marathi eyelash reph.

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* fontspec warning: "language-not-exist"

*

* Language 'Marathi' not available for font 'FreeSerif' with script 'Default'.

* 'Default' language used instead.

***********************************************

 

The tex source file is also attached. You can easily change the fonts for comaparison by changing the command \tstdeva . You may get some warning/error for longtable, but it should compile.

Shree

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:26 PM, विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:52 AM, विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Shree Devi Kumar <shree...@gmail.com> wrote:

The font has different ligatures for different languages - hindi, old hindi, sanskrit, marathi and also different style sets - bombay, calcutta, etc.

The sanskrit glyphs did not work in Excel as there is no way to specify the language there. They work in Xetex where these things can be specified.

Is it possible to separate them out? Eg: Fonts like freeserif-sanskrit and freesans-sanskrit would be extremely useful - this is because many sanskrit webpages and documents don't specify the "language", and it is not practical to expect webmasters to be more careful in the future.

Example: There  is lohit-hindi, lohit-nepali, lohit-maithilii etc..

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