Fwd: Fwd: [Samskrita] week days

[Prabhakara Das]

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Date: 16 January 2013 16:42
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To: sreekanthan OR <sreeka...@gmail.com>, Venugopal Sreenivasan <vsv...@gmail.com>, Nandakumar Menon <tn1...@gmail.com>, Prabhakara Das <prabha...@gmail.com>

Dear All,   Weekdays are mentioned in Yajnavalkya smriti - Is that not enough?! Further there was no concept of Kalahora lords in Greece, but the same was found only in India - Is that not enough? The planets are weekdays bear Indian a names such as Surya-Soma-Kuja-Budha etc and not the greek names - Is that not enough?!   It is absurd to see the baseless greek favoritism not even learning the Greek culture and contributions - its weakness and strength! Who will teach these people that even Pythagoras and Hipparchus learned from India?!! Who teach these people that there was no astrology in Greece before they learned the same from India and Irak (Mesopotamia, Sumerian-Akkadian, Uruk-Babylon). Who will teach them that there was no natal astrology in even Mesopotamia before BC 500, but that in India natal astrology was present from Vedic times?! Alas! to their ignorance! Love and regards, Sreenadh --- On Sat, 1/12/13, Prabhakara Das <prabha...@gmail.com> wrote: From: Prabhakara Das <prabha...@gmail.com> Subject: Fwd: [Samskrita] week days To: "sreekanthan OR" <sreeka...@gmail.com>, "Venugopal Sreenivasan" <vsv...@gmail.com>, "Nandakumar Menon" <tn1...@gmail.com>, "Sreenadh OG" <sre...@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, January 12, 2013, 2:55 PM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: P.K.Ramakrishnan <peek...@yahoo.com> Date: 2013/1/11 Subject: [Samskrita] week days To: "4bra...@yahoogroups.com" <4bra...@yahoogroups.com>, iyer123 <iye...@yahoogroups.com>, pattar <pat...@yahoogroups.com>, us brahmins <usbra...@yahoogroups.com>, samskrita <sams...@googlegroups.com>   The Hindus call the almanac as Panchangam.   This denotes  Thithi, Vaaram, Nakshatram, Yogam and Karanam.   Vaaram is week day.   According to Bharat Ratna P.V.Kane, there is no mention of week day both in Ramayana and Mahabharata. The system of week days started in the west, probably Greece.   The following is from the Balakanda 18th sarga of Valmiki Ramayana –   ततश्च द्वादशे मासे चैत्रे नावमिके तिथौ // नक्षत्रे०दितिदैवत्ये स्वोच्चसंस्थेषु पंचसु / ग्रहेषु कर्कटे लग्ने वाक्पताविन्दुना सह // प्रोद्यमाने जगन्नाथं सर्वलोकनमस्कृतम् / कौसल्याजनयत् रामं सर्वलक्ष्मणसंयुतम् //   There is no mention of week day here.   Please read my question in part 2         -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "samskrita" group. To post to this group, send email to sams...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to samskrita+...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/samskrita?hl=en. -- VRS pl follow and comment: http://twitter.com/mbpradas

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Neither Ramakrishnan quoted any reference to Varaha Mihira's text from where he quoted his verses nor Prabhakaran has given any verse or even text reference to Yajnavalkya Smriti he claims to have mentioned week days.

Each clinging to their arguments to prove their claims without any verifiable reference to their sources, and is not desirable development in any discussion of valid information which had been discussed in other sites or works for long, like the History of Astrology, Greek Origin of Indian astronomy/astrology with reference to the original texts or books from where they quote. One can search in Google and find many research articles on the topics and here we are simply flashing words.

[shankara]

Prabhakar Das,

Namaste!

I would like to know more about Vedic passages that deal with natal astrology.

 

regards
shankara

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 4:47 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: [Samskrita] week days

[Arvind_Kolhatkar]

The following has been said in the classic published in 1896 'भारतीय ज्योति:शास्त्राचा इतिहास'  (History of Indian Astronomy) by Shankar Balkrishna Dixit regarding the origin of the concept and nomenclatures of week-days.  I give a synopsis thereof.

The word ’होरा’ is neither in the Vedas or in any book of the Vedanga period.  It is originally not a Sanskrit word and originates in Chaldia as the 24th part of the day, from where the Greeks borrowed it as ώρα, and that, in turn became ’होरा’ in Sanskrit and 'hour' in English.  (MW too gives the same etymology.)

In Indian Astronomy each hour of the day is associated with a ’होरेश’ and the ’होरेश’s follow each other in the sequence of शनि, गुरु, मंगळ, रवि, शुक्र, बुध and चंद्र (सोम), which is the order in which these are arranged by the lengths of their respective भगणs, that is, the time taken by each to complete one revolution through stars, as observed from the Earth.  The day carries the name of that planet which is the first ’होरेश’ of that day.  In 24 hours there will be three cycles of 7 ’होरेश’s and three more ’होरेश’s.  Thus, if Day 1 has शनि as the ’होरेश’, i.e., it is शनिवार, the next day, Day 2, will begin with रवि as the ’होरेश’.  That day will be रविवार, and so on.

सूर्यसिद्धान्त भूगोलाध्याय lays this down in the following verse:

मन्दादध: क्रमेण स्युश्चतुर्था दिवसाधिपा:।

होरेशा: सूर्यतनयादधोधः क्रमशस्तथा॥

Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, January 16, 2013.

[Adolf von Württemberg]

Dear Arvind,

First, thank you for an informative post!

The Greek word you cited has a spelling error; it lacks the rough breathing mark which creates the ह-sound before a vowel. Here is the correct spelling: ὥρα.

Thanks again for your interesting questions and posts,

विष्णुः

 

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous: Carl Sagan (1934 – 1996)

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 22:54
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Subject: Re: Fwd: [Samskrita] week days

 

The following has been said in the classic published in 1896 'भारतीय ज्योति:शास्त्राचा इतिहास'  (History of Indian Astronomy) by Shankar Balkrishna Dixit regarding the origin of the concept and nomenclatures of week-days.  I give a synopsis thereof.

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[Arvind_Kolhatkar]

Vishnu,

Thanks for the correction...

Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, January 17, 2013.