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[valerio virgini]

Dear members

I can not understand the word " ūrdhvaretaskaḥ".

I separated the words as follows:

yaḥ ca askhalita-ūrdhvaretaskaḥ

Can someone help me?

Thank you

valerio

[vasantha syamalam]

रेतस्क नाम?

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[valerio virgini]

Thanks Vasantha

it could be

ऊर्ध्व-रेतस्-क

Where -क is an adjectival suffix for the formation of bahuvrīhi.

This would make sense, but I never found the -क suffix with a name ending in -s.

Is that possible?

valerio

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[hnbhat]

अस्खलितम्, ऊर्ध्वं रेतो यस्य सः - अस्खलितोर्ध्वरेतस्कः =  like व्यूढोरस्क! Usage like ऊर्ध्वरेताः are available, but I too could not find the compound in the dictionaries. Roughly the  meaning will be "one with uninterrupted cebacy" literally meaning "one  who has not spilt upheld semen".

retas = semen

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[valerio virgini]

Thank you very much!
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[Nagaraj Paturi]

>but I never found the -कsuffix with a name ending in -s.

1. Names like this are descriptive . These are guNavAchaka words and bahuvrIhi s. 

2. Samavayaska, udAramanaska etc. are other such descriptions.

[valerio virgini]

Dear members

There is another compound with an ending that I can not understand:

तल्लोकस्वरुपसाक्षात्वं ।

tal-loka-svarupa-sākṣātvaṃ | 

Could there be a mistake on the text?

-tvam should be -ttvam

Can someone help me?

thanks

valerio

[Nagaraj Paturi]

There is no mistake. Saakshaat +tvam=saakshaattvam

[Gowrishankar Arunachalam]

it is seen to be साक्षात्वं - very nature. Checked with a couple of publications

सस्नेहम्
Gowrishankar
आनो भद्रा: क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वत:
Let Noble Thoughts Flow from Everywhere

[valerio virgini]

The text in the photo is wrong.

sākṣātvaṃ instead of

sākṣāttvaṃ

If a text is not reliable it's a big deal.

Even the last part is unclear:

atha com

atha ca + om ... caum

atha ca + aum ... caum

I think that here too is a mistake on the text.

thanks

valerio

[RamanaMurthy Bathala]

Dear Sir,

I have referrred “A PRACTICAL GRAMMAR OF THE SANSKRIT LANGUAGE- Fourth Edition-MONIER WILLIAMS” Page No. 30

 

“ So also the sacred syllable ओम् and the preposition आ ā may cut off a final अ a; e.g. शिवाय ओं नमः = शिवायों नमः 'Om! reverence to Siva; 'शिव एहि' (i.e.आ with इहि) =शिवेहि ’Siva, come!' “

 

 

 

EUPHONIC COMBINATION	What I expected due to वृद्धि	But what really happens because of exception
च + ओम् ca + om	चौम् caum	चोम् com
शिवाय + ओं नमः śivāya + oṃ namaḥ	शिवायौ नमः śivāyau namaḥ	शिवायों नमः  śivāyoṃ namaḥ

 

Regards

Ramana murthy

[RamanaMurthy Bathala]

Here is one more link where it is correctly given:

http://www.vedarahasya.net/ratna/ratna-66.htm

Regards

Ramana murthy

On Friday, 30 June 2017 15:57:56 UTC+5:30, valerio virgini wrote:

[RamanaMurthy Bathala]

Dear Sir.

It seems there is typo in the book.

साक्षात् + त्वम् = साक्षात्त्वम्

But in the book one त् t is missing. And it is printed as साक्षात्वम् (missing one त् t)

 

Then I seached the google. Here are the search results.

1) Link: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/shankara-prashna-uttara-ratna-malika/wZ_a4vLuwP4

 

You can find त्त्वम् (ttvam) here.

 

फलमपि भगवद्भक्तेः किं तल्लोकस्वरूपसाक्षात्त्वम् ।

phalamapi bhagavadbhakteH kiM tallokasvaruupasaaxaattvam |

मोक्षश्च को ह्यविद्यास्तमयः कः सर्ववेदभूरथ चोम् ॥ ६६॥

moxashcha ko hyavidyaastamayaH kaH sarvavedabhuuratha chom || 66||

 

फलमपि भगवद्भक्तेः किं?

phalamapi bhagavadbhakteH kiM?

फलं अपि भगवत्-भक्तेः किं?

phalaM api bhagavat.h-bhakteH kiM?

##And what is the result of devotion to the Lord?##

 

तल्लोकस्वरूपसाक्षात्त्वं ।

tallokasvaruupasaaxaattvaM |

तत्-लोक-स्वरूप-साक्षात्त्वं ।

tat.h-loka-svaruupa-saaxaattvaM |

##The immediate realiZation of His abode and one's own nature.##

 

2) Here is one more link:

 

https://www.sankara.iitk.ac.in/preliminary-texts?language=dv&field_text1_tid=86

Scroll down to 66th Sloka.

You can find त्त्वम् (ttvam) here.

 

फलमपि भगवद्भक्तेः किं तल्लोकस्वरूपसाक्षात्त्वम्।

मोक्षश्च को ह्यविद्यास्तमयः कः सर्ववेदभूरथ चोम्।।66।।

 

So obviously there is typo in the book.

 

Regards

Ramana murthy

 

On Friday, 30 June 2017 15:57:56 UTC+5:30, valerio virgini wrote:

[Gowrishankar Arunachalam]

Thanks Sri Bathalaji

सस्नेहम्
Gowrishankar
आनो भद्रा: क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वत:
Let Noble Thoughts Flow from Everywhere

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[hnbhat]

instead साक्षात्त्वम् is the correct form derived from साक्षात्  with suffix त्व. And not two words साक्षात् and त्वम् !

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Yes, that is what I meant by Saakshaat + tvam; probably it can be further be split into saakshaat + tva + m .

Usual expression found with saakshaat is saakshaatkaarah or saakshaatkaraNam.

These expressions have saakshaat + kri .

Kri leads to the idea of role/agency  for the bhakta / saadhaka in the phala. 

To avoid that and to say that the phala is caused by Bhakti , here, the suffix tva is used in stead of the root kri.  

 

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[RamanaMurthy Bathala]

Dear Sir,

Thanks for correcting me.

This from Apte’s Dictionary.

साक्षात् (ind.) 1 In the presence of, before the very eyes, visibly, openly,
              evidently.

      — 2 In person, actually, in bodily form; साक्षात् प्रियामुपगतामपहाय पूर्वं
            Ś. 6. 15; 1. 6.

      — 3 Directly.

I was of the opinion that the suffix त्व can be added only to the declinables like nouns. Since साक्षात् is indeclinable, I thought साक्षात्त्वम् is made up of साक्षात् (meaning: directly) and त्वम् (you, nominative case).

If I add त्व to साक्षात् then it becomes साक्षात्त्व (directness) which is an abstract neuter noun. From this we can derive nominative or accustive form साक्षात्त्वम्, which is used in the sloka.

 

Can you please clear my doubt whether suffixes can be added to indeclinables to make abstract nouns

 

Regards

Ramana murthy

On Friday, 30 June 2017 15:57:56 UTC+5:30, valerio virgini wrote:

[Nagaraj Paturi]

prithak + tva + m = prithaktvam 

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[Irene Galstian]

Here's another example (attached).

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[valerio virgini]

Thank you very much.

The doubts have vanished

valerio

[Pramod Kulkarni]

The first link provided by RamanaMurthy gives the text as it is and finally with संधिविच्छेद। It to mentions one pada with त्त्वम्. So one pada explation is correct.