PH And F

[Anand Ghurye]

Dear Friends ,
Does Dant oshta (teeth touching lip) sound of F exist in Sanskrit ? Or is it always the oshta (lips touching ) ph  sound ?

Regards
Anand Ghurye

[Shrivathsa B]

hariH OM,

Our vaa~Nmaya has ph sound only. The f sound seems to be borrowed from the Persian / Islamic influence.

svasti,
       JAYA BHAVAANII BHAARATII,
                                                      shrivathsa.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

'f' sound is not there in Sanskrit. Only 'ph'.

 

Under the influence of Urdu and English, some people pronounce 'ph' s in Sanskrit as 'f'

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

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[Aniruddha Joshi]

How about the so-called Upadhmaaneeya (voiceless bilabial fricative ([ɸ], (so says Wikipedia))? Does it not sound like "f"?

Thanks and Regards,

Aniruddha Joshi

[ken p]

As per dictionary's IPA notations फ /f  , not ph

pharmacy phone photo physics

ˈfɑrməsi foʊn ˈfoʊˌtoʊ ˈfɪzɪks

faarmasi foun/fon foutou/foto fiziks

[Shrivathsa B]

upadhmaaniiya is a pure oShThya. There are people who pronounce it as 'f', but it is wrong.

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[Subrahmanian R]

Upadhmaaniya is pure oshthya. Apart from that, in Sanskrit a vowel cannot be combined after that. Similarly, the aspirate 'h' in English is defined as 'breathing upon a vowel' i.e. there cannot be 'h' not followed by a vowel in English. In Sanskrit, ha or other aspirated consonants like kha can occur not followed by a vowel also.

Due to the influence of English where ph and f sounds are same in some places, while transliterating Sanskrit to English, people use 'f' in place of proper 'ph' as in 'Prafulla' 'Fagun' in place of 'Phalguni' etc. I have come across the spelling 'prafulla' many times - I have not come across anyone writing as praphulla so far.

R Subrahmanian

[ken p]

Is northern t sound same as  southern th sound?

Gujarati /Gujarathi