OS X 10.7 testers needed
Jeroen Demeyer
following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
Dima Pasechnik
needless to say, sqrt5.cs.washington.edu is down again...
Justin C. Walker
Just tried to download this; it stopped downloading (w/o an error) at 146MB. Trying again.
Justin
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On Apr 3, 2012, at 06:11 , Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
Second download worked.
The build (with "-j8") failed in MPIR, because "could not find a working compiler".
I can provide the log if needed.
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Jeroen Demeyer
>
> On Apr 3, 2012, at 06:11 , Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
>
>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>
>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>
> Second download worked.
>
> The build (with "-j8") failed in MPIR, because "could not find a working compiler".
>
> I can provide the log if needed.
spkg/build/mpir-2.1.3.p10/src
Jeroen Demeyer
Did you set CFLAGS="-march=native"?
David Joyner
It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
barely fast enough to be running lion.)
I'm starting the testall now.
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> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>
>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>
>
> It finally finished the build fine.
David Joyner
with
John H Palmieri
On one machine, with SAGE_CHECK unset, all tests passed.
On another machine, with SAGE_CHECK=yes, self-tests failed for zn_poly, as they do sometime when the system is heavily loaded. After working around that, all tests passed.
--
John
David Joyner
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>
>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>
>
> It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
> barely fast enough to be running lion.)
> I'm starting the testall now.
>
Finished sage -testall. All tests passed on the ibook.
Justin C. Walker
On Apr 4, 2012, at 09:40 , David Joyner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:26 AM, David Joyner <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>>
>>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>>
>>
>> It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
>> barely fast enough to be running lion.)
>> I'm starting the testall now.
>>
>
> Finished sage -testall. All tests passed on the ibook.
What version of 10.7 are you running? I'm on 10.7.1, and can't get it to build with the "stock" tarball.
Justin
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> Hi, David,
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 09:40 , David Joyner wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:26 AM, David Joyner <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>>>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>>>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>>>
>>>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>>>
>>>
>>> It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
>>> barely fast enough to be running lion.)
>>> I'm starting the testall now.
>>>
>>
>> Finished sage -testall. All tests passed on the ibook.
>
> What version of 10.7 are you running? I'm on 10.7.1, and can't get it to build with the "stock" tarball.
10.7.3. But I think it's on the slowest oldest ibook that will run lion:-)
>
> Justin
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Justin C. Walker
On Apr 4, 2012, at 13:14 , David Joyner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Justin C. Walker <jus...@mac.com> wrote:
>> Hi, David,
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 09:40 , David Joyner wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:26 AM, David Joyner <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>>>>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>>>>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
>>>> barely fast enough to be running lion.)
>>>> I'm starting the testall now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Finished sage -testall. All tests passed on the ibook.
>>
>> What version of 10.7 are you running? I'm on 10.7.1, and can't get it to build with the "stock" tarball.
>
>
> 10.7.3. But I think it's on the slowest oldest ibook that will run lion:-)
Newer 10.7 OS on older system; I'm the reverse. What does 'About This Mac' say your processor is?
Justin
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On Apr 3, 2012, at 23:34 , Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
> Also send me spkg/logs/mpir-2.1.3.p10.log
Enclosed.
> Did you set CFLAGS="-march=native"?
I did not set it explicitly.
Following (finally) Leif's suggestion from the b10 thread, I restarted the b12 build ( after removing spkg/build/mpir...). It got farther, with the mpir build completing successfully. It's ongoing, and I'll report the results here when the build+test have completed.
BTW, the specific suggestion I followed was to change the ".._supported" function to return an empty string.
I'm enclosing both logs (-clean is the unmodified version; -leif is the latter).
BTW2: is "SAGE_CHECK=yes" used during the build or testing?
Justin
Jeroen Demeyer
Enter a sage shell:
$ ./sage --sh
Now manually extract the mpir spkg and ./configure it:
$ cd spkg/standard
$ tar xjf mpir-2.1.3.p10.spkg
$ cd mpir-2.1.3.p10/src
$ ./configure
Send me the output and config.log
bump
>
> Newer 10.7 OS on older system; I'm the reverse. What does 'About This Mac' say your processor is?
build failure with 5.0beta1.
Like Justin, I have a configure error building MPIR:
configure: error: could not find a working compiler, see config.log
for details.
Dan
David Joyner
>
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 13:14 , David Joyner wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Justin C. Walker <jus...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, David,
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 09:40 , David Joyner wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:26 AM, David Joyner <wdjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer <jdem...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
>>>>>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>>>>>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It finally finished the build fine. (This is on an old ibook just
>>>>> barely fast enough to be running lion.)
>>>>> I'm starting the testall now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finished sage -testall. All tests passed on the ibook.
>>>
>>> What version of 10.7 are you running? I'm on 10.7.1, and can't get it to build with the "stock" tarball.
>>
>>
>> 10.7.3. But I think it's on the slowest oldest ibook that will run lion:-)
>
> Newer 10.7 OS on older system; I'm the reverse. What does 'About This Mac' say your processor is?
>
2Ghz intel core 2 duo
I think I should win a prize or something:-)
> Justin
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>
>
>
Jeroen Demeyer
>> $ ./sage --sh
The log file you sent me is with Apple's compiler, not Sage's GCC.
Jeroen Demeyer
> I guessed you missed this part:
>>> $ ./sage --sh
To clarify: this should be done within the Sage install which failed to
build MPIR before. It seems that GCC has been built successfully, but
that MPIR cannot be built with that new GCC. So I would like to see
what vanilla MPIR does when compiled with that GCC.
Could you also send me the output of
$ gcc -print-prog-name=as
$ as --version
Jason Grout
I have a student who is trying to build on 10.7 on a 2-year old laptop.
Does he need to define SAGE_PORT=yes when trying to compile this
version? I assume he needs to use this version rather than the normal
beta12, right?
Thanks,
Jason
William Stein
> On 4/3/12 8:11 AM, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
>>
>> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
>> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>>
>>
>> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc.tar
>>
>
>
> I have a student who is trying to build on 10.7 on a 2-year old laptop.
It may depend on the version of XCode he has installed.
> Does he need to define SAGE_PORT=yes when trying to compile this version?
If it immediately fails, then obviously yes.
> I assume he needs to use this version rather than the normal beta12, right?
I think he could build the normal beta12, but he would be testing
something completely different, right? (The normal one would likely
build, but fail a lot of tests due to compiler bugs, depending on
XCode version.) Jereon's specifically interested in having this
tarball tested.
william
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
>
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Bruce Cohen
config.log and an edited version of install.log. The original
install.log is too big to mail. The error appears to be
********************************************
Error installing package mpir-2.1.3.p10
********************************************
If it would be helpful, I can do another run this weekend after you
make some suggestions for getting this to work.
Thanks
-Bruce
SAGE_CHECK=yes
MAKE=make -j4
gcc version 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.1.00)
Mac OS X Lion 10.7.3 (11D50b)
Processor 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5
bash-3.2$ gcc -print-prog-name=as
/Developer/usr/llvm-gcc-4.2/libexec/gcc/i686-apple-darwin11/4.2.1/as
bash-3.2$ as --version
FATAL:/Developer/usr/bin/../libexec/as/x86_64/as: I don't understand '-' flag!
-----------------------------------
On Apr 3, 6:11 am, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
> Could somebody with an OS X 10.7 machine please try to build the
> following from source, preferably with SAGE_CHECK=yes:
>
> http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/release/sage-5.0.beta1...
William Stein
> I ran a make last night, but it did not work. I'm attaching
For me it fails much earlier:
checking for x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0-gcc...
/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/./gcc/xgcc
-B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/./gcc/
-B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/bin/
-B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/lib/
-isystem /Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/include
-isystem /Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/sys-include
checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: in
`/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/libgcc':
configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile
See `config.log' for more details.
make[4]: *** [configure-stage1-target-libgcc] Error 1
make[3]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
real 4m10.944s
user 6m58.470s
sys 1m27.258s
************************************************************************
Error installing package gcc-4.6.3
---
deep:sage-5.0.beta12-gcc wstein$ gcc --version
i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc.
build 5658) (LLVM build 2335.15.00)
Copyright (C) 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
See:
http://wstein.org/home/wstein/tmp/install-5.0.beta12-gcc.log
Jeroen Demeyer
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Bruce Cohen <math....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I ran a make last night, but it did not work. I'm attaching
>
> For me it fails much earlier:
$ export CC=clang
$ make
and report whether that works.
William Stein
It works! The build completed fine, and I just ran the tests in
libs/pari and they all passed. I'm waiting for the docs to build and
the rest of "make ptestlong" to run.
William
William Stein
There is exactly one test failure in running the full "make ptestlong"
test suite after a clean build of Sage on OS X 10.7! It's in Polybori
(see below). That's it. Absolutely everything else passes. This
means the goal of getting Sage ported to 10.7 enough for the Sage-5.0
release is "99.999999%" there.
sage -t --long -force_lib devel/sage/sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.pyx
^[[?1034h**********************************************************************
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/devel/sage-main/sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.pyx",
line 120:
sage: for f in I2.groebner_basis():
f
Exception raised:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/ncadoctest.py",
line 1231, in run_one_test
self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags)
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/sagedoctest.py",
line 38, in run_one_example
OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example,
filename, compileflags)
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/ncadoctest.py",
line 1172, in run_one_example
compileflags, 1) in test.globs
File "<doctest __main__.example_0[12]>", line 1, in <module>
for f in I2.groebner_basis():###line 120:
sage: for f in I2.groebner_basis():
File "pbori.pyx", line 4852, in
sage.rings.polynomial.pbori.BooleanPolynomialIdeal.groebner_basis
(sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.cpp:28192)
sig_on()
RuntimeError: Aborted
**********************************************************************
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/devel/sage-main/sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.pyx",
line 4839:
sage: I.groebner_basis()
Exception raised:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/ncadoctest.py",
line 1231, in run_one_test
self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags)
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/sagedoctest.py",
line 38, in run_one_example
OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example,
filename, compileflags)
File "/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/bin/ncadoctest.py",
line 1172, in run_one_example
compileflags, 1) in test.globs
File "<doctest __main__.example_152[11]>", line 1, in <module>
I.groebner_basis()###line 4839:
sage: I.groebner_basis()
File "pbori.pyx", line 4852, in
sage.rings.polynomial.pbori.BooleanPolynomialIdeal.groebner_basis
(sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.cpp:28192)
sig_on()
RuntimeError: Aborted
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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make[1]: *** [installed/mpir-2.1.3.p10] Error 1
Here are pointers to logs:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/bic/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/tail-100-install.log
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/bic/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/head-100-install.log
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/bic/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/install.log
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/bic/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/mpir-2.1.3.p10.log
Thanks.
-Bruce
On Apr 6, 8:49 am, Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be> wrote:
Francis Clarke
On Friday, 6 April 2012 23:21:45 UTC+1, William wrote:
Hi,There is exactly one test failure in running the full "make ptestlong"
test suite after a clean build of Sage on OS X 10.7! It's in Polybori
William Stein
<francis....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, 6 April 2012 23:21:45 UTC+1, William wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There is exactly one test failure in running the full "make ptestlong"
>> test suite after a clean build of Sage on OS X 10.7! It's in Polybori
>
I just built on a "clean" 2009 Macbook Air with updated OS X 10.7.3
and the latest XCode, and it took 291 minutes, built fine, and passed
absolutely *all* tests (including polybori).
-- William
> On my MacBook Pro [OS 10.7.3, 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB] it built fine
> (after 12 hours), and "make ptestlong" gave rise to no failures at all. In
> particular,
>
> sage -t --long -force_lib "devel/sage/sage/rings/polynomial/pbori.pyx"
> [7.0 s]
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> All tests passed!
> Total time for all tests: 7.0 seconds
>
> Francis Clarke
>
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> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Francis Clarke
> <francis....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 6 April 2012 23:21:45 UTC+1, William wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There is exactly one test failure in running the full "make ptestlong"
>>> test suite after a clean build of Sage on OS X 10.7! It's in Polybori
>>
>
> I just built on a "clean" 2009 Macbook Air with updated OS X 10.7.3
> and the latest XCode, and it took 291 minutes, built fine, and passed
> absolutely *all* tests (including polybori).
with older versions of XCode, but newer versions seem to work well.
Except some development in the coming betas.
Jeroen Demeyer
>
> checking for x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0-gcc...
> /Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/./gcc/xgcc
> -B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/./gcc/
> -B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/bin/
> -B/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/lib/
> -isystem /Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/include
> -isystem /Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/local/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/sys-include
> checking for suffix of object files... configure: error: in
> `/Users/wstein/sage/install/sage-5.0.beta12-gcc/spkg/build/gcc-4.6.3/gcc-build/x86_64-apple-darwin11.3.0/libgcc':
> configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile
> See `config.log' for more details.
> make[4]: *** [configure-stage1-target-libgcc] Error 1
> make[3]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2
> make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
William, could you please post the output of the following commands on
that system:
$ which cc
$ which gcc
$ which clang
$ cc --version
$ gcc --version
$ clang --version
A fix for this problem should be #12820.
Jeroen Demeyer
./sage -f
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/jdemeyer/spkg/mpir-2.4.0.p2.spkg
and send me spkg/logs/mpir-2.4.0.p2.log
(regardless of whether the install succeeded)
Justin C. Walker
On Apr 8, 2012, at 06:01 , William Stein wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Francis Clarke
> <francis....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 6 April 2012 23:21:45 UTC+1, William wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There is exactly one test failure in running the full "make ptestlong"
>>> test suite after a clean build of Sage on OS X 10.7! It's in Polybori
>>
>
> I just built on a "clean" 2009 Macbook Air with updated OS X 10.7.3
> and the latest XCode, and it took 291 minutes, built fine, and passed
> absolutely *all* tests (including polybori).
I tried sage-b13-lion, and the build blew up at the ECM package (I'll send the log to Jeroen). I don't mind making the requirement that, for 10.7, the user must upgrade to 10.7.3/Xcode 4.3[.?]; but, personally, I can't make that move until I have a better understanding of the implications for my files and "the cloud".
I think that is the one potential gotcha in making the requirement, but it is necessary, given the poor state of the initial releases of the OS and Xcode.
The amount of effort that Sage developers have expended on this is impressive, and a credit to the team. If this works as well as it seems, I think it's high time to move on.
Justin
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