Re: [rug-b] Digest for rug-b@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

[Philipp Blume]

I know you're tired of saying it, but I really appreciate your words in this email. I wish I lived in Berlin and could be an active part of your developer community. It may still happen some day.

Best wishes and thank you for your work
Philipp Blume

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Recruiting/Looking co-founders is forbidden at rug-b + incident report

Tobias Pfeiffer <pra...@gmail.com>: Aug 12 05:06PM +0200 TLDR; Active recruitment/looking for co-founders (e.g. asking a bunch of people "Hey do you..?") is forbidden at rug-b. If you notice such behaviour in person or via email please contact the organizers. Devs looking for jobs is ok, but don't go around and annoy a bunch of people pls. Always respect our CoC http://berlincodeofconduct.org/   Hi all,   triggered by an incident at the last rug-b, here is a short re run of our general rules regarding recruitment/looking for co-founders etc.   ## Incident Report At the beginning of the meetup I made it clear that active recruitment is forbidden at the meetup. Later on I was alerted by multiple members of the community to a person asking everyone leaving/coming if they want to become their co-founders. Some members felt discomforted by this. I approached that person, informed them of the rules violation and kindly asked them to leave the premises (as the meetup was over either way). The person continued to argue with me, yell at me and insult me. After some time of that they finally left the premises.   My apologies go out to everyone who felt discomforted by this or who was negatively impacted by this in any way.   ## Recruitment at rug-b Active recruitment/looking for co-founders is forbidden. So is scraping our website for member emails and mass emailing them (the fact that I have to point this out is very sad but it happened multiple times...). If that happens, the offenders will be asked to stop or to leave.   By active recruitment I mean people going around asking lots of people if they want to join their company/co-found a company or whatever. Of course, if someone mentions that their job sucks you can tell them how great your company is ;)   If your main goal attending rug-b is recruiting people PLEASE DON'T COME.   If you notice any such behaviour, PLEASE CONTACT THE ORGANIZERS (or well mostly me). Even if you feel it's minor, we always have an open ear for you :) You can do so:   - in person (I'm the one moderating the thing and mostly with a green shirt) - via email (see the sender of this email) - I often check my mobile during the event - twitter DMs are open (@PragTob) - you can also tweet @PragTob / @rug_b   By default, we will not disclose the identity of you/the reporter to anyone.   Also, there won't be "company X is hiring" lightning talks or announcements (no not even for money, yes I've been offered...). To announce job listings we have the [JOB] tag on this mailing list.   Of course, developers looking for jobs is a different thing as we are a developer focussed community. Developers are welcome to introduce themselves on stage and state that they're looking for a job. Other notable "exceptions" include:   - hosts have a 5 minute slot to introduce themselves and of course mention that they are hiring (I must add though, that most companies in recent memory kept that really short or even passed the opportunity on as they truly worried most about the community. Thumbs up for them.) - there might be HR people from our respective host running around, that's of course also ok - speakers (lightning talk or full length) are allowed to mention their company and that they are hiring of course in an adequate amount of time, should it be too much I'll stop the talk   As for the reasons why it is like this, I'm tired of explaining it but it has been like this for a long time - I "inherited" these rules from Thilo. The main reasons are:   - there are enough other channels for that (LinkedIn, Xing) over which most of us receive enough, we don't need another one - most people want to enjoy, relax, have a good evening and not experience linkedIn in the real world - if people would want to become a co-founder (or actively look for a job), there are founder dating events and others where they might go - rug-b is not one of those events - People often tell me that they really like it that rug-b is so recruiter free as opposed to event XYZ. Never once has a dev approached me and wished for more recruiters and looking for co-founders. - I've met people who stopped going to rug-b lots of years ago because they were annoyed by the recruiters at the event, I don't ever want that to happen again   And of course, you gotta respect the Code of Conduct or you are out either way http://berlincodeofconduct.org/   Thanks, see you at next rug-b.   Tobi   -- http://www.pragtob.info/

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