Re: [Rails] Rails on windows

[S Ahmed]

just get a Mac, you won't regret it (even a Mac mini if you cannot afford more than $600)

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM, lyosha <lyos...@gmail.com> wrote:

man.. why does everything is so slow on developing on windows?

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[rails2012]

How about Linux/Ubuntu?  Is Mac much better than Linux too?

[jason white]

You could start with a VM running Ubuntu to get started with Rails development. A Mac would be far superior, but Ubuntu will get you started. You can do Rails development on Windows, but you may have trouble with certain gems.

J

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[Peter Hickman]

From a purely RoR developer perspective Linux is good. Which you would
expect since most RoR applications are deployed to Linux servers - or
are you deploying to Windows servers. Its just that Macs are nicer :)

As to why your Windows system is slow for developing could be that you
have a crappy system. Windows doesn't help but even Linux will
struggle with an under specd machine. Is your hardware up to snuff?

Given enough hardware I'm sure that a Windows development machine will
fly but there is an issue of getting gems to work. We had a developer
here who started out with Windows and had no end of trouble getting
some gems to work. He finally jacked it in and got a Mac and stopped
swearing so much.

My preferences are:

1) Mac = In heaven
2) Linux = No problem, I can work with this
3) Windows = If this was a job requirement I would not apply :(

[Mukesh yadav]

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[masta Blasta]

lyosha wrote in post #1076588:

> man.. why does everything is so slow on developing on windows?

It's not. Check your machine and rails configuration. Development
environment will always be slower than production or other environment
that caches models.

>Given enough hardware I'm sure that a Windows development machine will
>fly but there is an issue of getting gems to work. We had a developer
>here who started out with Windows and had no end of trouble getting
>some gems to work. He finally jacked it in and got a Mac and stopped
>swearing so much.

In my team we have macs and windows. I develop on windows, and have no
problems whatsoever. It took me a while to get my environment set up
since unfortunately there are fewer windows guides out there, but it is
doable, enjoyable and highly productive.

There are very few gems that are nix specific and won't work on windows.
Passenger and Unicorn come to mind. You can always find alternatives
(thin server). A few things here and there might require additional
configuration but you get the hang of it with time.

Frankly i'm a bit annoyed at Nix/Mac users pretending that development
on the Mac is so much better. It isn't. Developing on windows is just as
easy and productive. If anything, it's better because you can have a
proper custom PC setup, full open source software availability, and a
whole bunch of freedoms possible under windows and not under Mac.

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[Hassan Schroeder]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM, masta Blasta <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

> Frankly i'm a bit annoyed at Nix/Mac users pretending that development
> on the Mac is so much better. It isn't. Developing on windows is just as
> easy and productive. If anything, it's better because you can have a
> proper custom PC setup, full open source software availability, and a
> whole bunch of freedoms possible under windows and not under Mac.

Uhhhh. Just out of curiousity, what is a "proper custom PC setup"?
What limitations on "full open source software availability" does a Mac
come with?

And what "whole bunch of freedoms" am I currently missing out on? :-)

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[masta Blasta]

Hassan Schroeder wrote in post #1077015:

>
> Uhhhh. Just out of curiousity, what is a "proper custom PC setup"?
> What limitations on "full open source software availability" does a Mac
> come with?
>
> And what "whole bunch of freedoms" am I currently missing out on? :-)
>
> --

I'm not going to get into a Mac vs. PC fight here.

Point is, if you like PC+Windows, you can easily carry out RoR
development, and anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

If you like Mac, more power to you.

[Hassan Schroeder]

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:42 PM, masta Blasta <li...@ruby-forum.com> wrote:

> I'm not going to get into a Mac vs. PC fight here.

I wasn't trying to start a "fight", I just wanted clarification of your
vague but sweeping statements. To help anyone trying to make
their own decision :-)

[Frederick Cheung]

On Friday, September 21, 2012 8:25:39 PM UTC+1, Ruby-Forum.com User wrote:

lyosha wrote in post #1076588:
> man.. why does everything is so slow on developing on windows?

It's not. Check your machine and rails configuration. Development
environment will always be slower than production or other environment
that caches models.

There some history here - ruby 1.8 was significantly slower on windows than on unix like platforms, and ruby 1.9.2 also had windows specific performance regressions (see http://programmingzen.com/2010/07/19/the-great-ruby-shootout-july-2010/ for example).. Patch 125 of Ruby 1.9.3 had some windows  specific performance fixes (IO related I think) that supposedly fixed a lot of that (I'm not a windows user) so it's definitely worth upgrading to that if you're running an older version.

 

There are very few gems that are nix specific and won't work on windows.
Passenger and Unicorn come to mind. You can always find alternatives
(thin server). A few things here and there might require additional
configuration but you get the hang of it with time.

Frankly i'm a bit annoyed at Nix/Mac users pretending that development
on the Mac is so much better. It isn't. Developing on windows is just as
easy and productive. If anything, it's better because you can have a
proper custom PC setup, full open source software availability, and a
whole bunch of freedoms possible under windows and not under Mac.

Again, I think there is a lot of history here. It used to be that to build any gem with native extensions on windows (when using the 1 click ruby installer) you needed  a paid for version of Visual studio (It even had to be a specific version I think). A tremendous amount of work (by Luis Lavena among others) has gone into improving this, but many of us remember the not so distant old days where you had to just hope that someone had build a binary package of the gem.  Part of it is being slightly off the beaten path - eg capybara-webkit or poltegeist don't support windows (or at least not officially) and it's not because of a fundamental reason they couldn't but because the core developers of those gems don't use windows - windows support probably won't happen unless someone else helps them out.

jruby is a good option too.

Not sure what these freedoms are though (especially compare to Linux)

Fred