RESULT: rec.toys.action-figures reorganization both groups pass
cgrei
Rebecca McQuitty wrote:
>
> RESULT
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
>
> There were 274 valid votes and 3 invalid votes.
>
> Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
> ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
> 228 41 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
> : : : rec.toys.action-figures)
> 241 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
>
> cgrei * ix.netcom.com Chris G. Rei YY
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris G. Rei
Oh Boy, is this Great!
- Flounder, Animal House
Rebecca McQuitty
RESULT
unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
There were 274 valid votes and 3 invalid votes.
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
228 41 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
: : : rec.toys.action-figures)
241 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.
After these results are posted, there will be a five day discussion
period in news.groups. Objections or inaccuracies that could change
the outcome should be posted and mailed to the news.announce.newgroups
moderator at <newgroup...@isc.org>. If no serious allegations
of voting irregularities are raised, the n.a.n moderator will create
the groups shortly.
Newsgroups lines:
rec.toys.action-figures.discuss Discussion of action figure toys.
rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace Buying, selling, trading and auctions.
A neutral, third-party volunteer is conducted this vote. Direct
questions about the groups to the proponent.
Proponent: Eric G. Myers <e...@toymania.com>
Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty <m...@best.com>
RATIONALE: all groups
The rec.toys.* hierarchy has expanded immensely over the past two
years. In that time, the hierarchy has grown from two core groups to
five diverse groups. Each group has developed it own culture and
norms. However, at least one of the groups is facing a serious
challenge in the preponderance of marketplace-type postings (i.e.,
posts related to buying, selling, trading or auctions).
This group, rec.toys.action-figures, is an extremely active group,
averaging well over 200 posts per day and trends indicate that this
is increasing. Of these daily posts, a significant proportion would be
appropriate for a marketplace group.
In addition to the traffic issue, much of the conflict found in this
group revolves around the presence of marketplace-type posts.
While it is possible that this type of conflict could also develop in
the proposed group, it is believed that the creation of marketplace
group will be of benefit to all parties involved by making the
newsgroups more easily navigable.
The choice to structure the proposal in its current form was not an
easy one. A simple rec.toys.marketplace group has been discussed
numerous times. However, a general marketplace group has
implications for all the rec.toys.* groups. The greatest resistance to
a group such as this isthe unwillingness of many readers to have to
search through a newsgroup containing hundreds of posts unrelated
to the items they might be seeking. As previously stated, each group
has developed its own norms and culture. Thus, several groups have
expressed an interest in keeping the marketplace-type postings within
their existing groups at this time (with an option to expand to the
marketplace format at some time in the future if it is deemed
necessary).
Therefore, we are faced with a challenge in trying to address the
concerns of the affected of the newsgroup without unnecessarily
disrupting the culture of the other newsgroups. The current proposal
favors the split of the affected newsgroup, rec.toys.action-figures
into separate marketplace and discussion subgroups.
The ".discuss" was added after a straw poll on naming choices was
conducted earlier this year. The naming is intended to make explicit
the purpose of the group. In addition, its use is an intentional
effort to keep the discussion and marketplace groups at the same
level within the hierarchy. It is believed that its use will be one
tool to help minimize inappropriate crossposting while also allowing
for future expansion within the hierarchy. Readers of the group to be
renamed have been informed that it is not required to rename the
group. However, pre-RFD discussion indicated that renaming was
desirable for the reasons stated above.
A previous version of this proposal was narrowly defeated one year
ago. Numerous readers of the current rec.toys.action-figures newsgroup
have stated that they were wholly unaware that voting had begun at
that time. This may have been a result of the heavy traffic in the
newsgroup in that many posts can get overlooked. Additionally, because
the RFD and CFV posts use an abbreviation prefix, they may resemble
"For Sale" posts and thus be overlooked by some readers.
Traffic has continued to increase and many more readers have become
interested in seeing this proposal come to fruition.
In addition, there was some controversy about the use of ".misc" in
the previous proposal. While some of the issues may still be present
in the use of ".discuss", it is believed that it is a reasonable
compromise that has been endorsed by the readership of the current
newsgroup. The implications of such a change were discussed in the
pre-RFD discussion and a strawpoll indicated that this was the name
of choice as endorsed by the current readership.
CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.discuss
Rec.toys.action-figures.discuss is an unmoderated newsgroup for the
discussion of action figure toys and related accessories. The scope
of discussion within this group includes action figures, as well as
action figure playsets, vehicles and other accessories intended for
use with action figures.The types of posts within this group may
include (but not be limited to) posts of news, release dates,
collecting, customizing, and reviews related to action figures and
their accessories. Rec.toys.action-figures.discuss is intended for
action figure toys and topics that do not have their own, more
appropriate rec.toys.action-figures.* group. For example, posts
related to the buying, selling, trading or auctioning of toys or
other items belong in the appropriate marketplace group.
Crossposting to or from the marketplace group is not acceptable.
Additionally, crossposting to other rec.toys.* groups is discouraged.
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
Rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace is an unmoderated newsgroup for
the buying, selling, trading, or auctioning of action figure toys and
related accessories and discussion of marketplace issues and prices.
Posts advertising the purchase, sale, trade or auction of toys other
than action figures and their related accessories is not permitted.
The use of appropriate subject lines and abbreviation tags (e.g., FS,
WTB, etc.) and familiarity with other conventions described in the
Buy/Sell/Trade/Auction FAQ for the toy newsgroups is strongly
encouraged. Crossposting to other rec.toys.*groups is not
acceptable.
END CHARTER.
rec.toys.action-figures reorganization Final Vote Ack
rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace ----+
rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) ---+|
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Votes in error
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Liquorhead * aol.com Robert Berry
! No vote statement in message
MMeazark * AOL.COM
! Undeliverable address
sftoys * aol.com John Kachmar
! Undeliverable address
--
Rebecca Graham McQuitty Member, Usenet Volunteer Votetakers
mar...@netcom.no.spam.com
In article <8969375...@isc.org> m...@best.com (Rebecca McQuitty) writes:
> RESULT
>unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
Let the celebration begin! HOORAY!!!!!
Thanks to everyone who voted.
Marcia.
1:1
--
Marcia Bednarcyk. ADDRESSES: mar...@netcom.com
(remove the X's for real addresses) mar...@calico.litterbox.com
I do not do business with any business who ignores group charters and norms.
John A. Baker
Interesting little clusters!
>croofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Charline Roofe NN
>cwhitmer * freenet.columbus.oh.us Cathy Sue Whitmer NN
>mandrowils * aol.com mandi whitmer NN
>dalroofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Dale E. Roofe NN
>garyoung * freenet.columbus.oh.us Gary Young NN
>teroofe * iwaynet.net terry roofe NN
kawoolwine * aol.com Kelly Woolwine NN
>winewool * aol.com WINEWOOL NN
But what the heck it got through.
John
--
"Trevor, this is not a toy." "No, but you can use it as a toy."
Alan Plater
Mark Meazark
Rebecca McQuitty wrote:
>
> RESULT
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
>
> There were 274 valid votes and 3 invalid votes.
>
> Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
> ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
> 228 41 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
> : : : rec.toys.action-figures)
> 241 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
>
> Votes in error
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Liquorhead * aol.com Robert Berry
> ! No vote statement in message
MMeazark * AOL.COM
> ! Undeliverable address
sftoys * aol.com John
Kachmar
> ! Undeliverable address
DOHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like I forgot to unblock my mail filter for Rebecca.
Oh well, at least the vote passed ... and boy am I glad it didn't
come down to my vote.
Yesssss!!!!!
- MM
RTAF Commie Lowballer and Mail Shirker
David Thiel
In article <lhp2ZFA4...@riddler.demon.co.uk> "John A. Baker" <jo...@riddler.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Interesting little clusters!
>>croofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Charline Roofe NN
>>cwhitmer * freenet.columbus.oh.us Cathy Sue Whitmer NN
>>mandrowils * aol.com mandi whitmer NN
>>dalroofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Dale E. Roofe NN
>>garyoung * freenet.columbus.oh.us Gary Young NN
>>teroofe * iwaynet.net terry roofe NN
>kawoolwine * aol.com Kelly Woolwine NN
>>winewool * aol.com WINEWOOL NN
> But what the heck it got through.
Geez, like no one would seen through that clever deception. "Winewool,"
indeed. It's 10...10 Terrys for the price of one! Which means the actual "no"
vote was around 32.
Congrats to Eric and thanks to everyone who voted (yea or nay)!
David Thiel / Champaign, Illinois
E-mail: d-t...@uiuc.edu
WWW: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/3227
Cstoj
Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain why
searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on both
groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
Kevin Johnston
1. People who don't want to buy DO NOT have to search two groups. People
how are ONLY shopping don't have to search two groups.
2. I encourage you to visit the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy for an example
of a newsgroup cluster that has successfully segregated commercial posts,
and created a great sense of community in the process.
Or, just sit back and watch it happen here.
Kevin
uro...@my-dejanews.com
In article <199806042118...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
cs...@aol.com (Cstoj) wrote:
>
> Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain
why
> searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on
both
> groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
>
scalpers and dealers, the large majority should all be funneled into the
marketplace ng. That will mean most of the posts on the new ng will be
discussion-oriented, which is exactly what most of us want. We're tired of
scrolling through 500 FS posts a day. True, we will probably need to be
vigilant about the cross-posts as some people have noted, but in the end I
think it will be good both for people who want to discuss toys and people who
want to sell them.
Viet-Nam
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Eric G. Myers
Cstoj wrote:
>
> Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain why
> searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on both
> groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
Well, you may believe that is the case (i.e., that FS posts will
continue on both groups) but the majority apparently believe that we can
follow in the footsteps of hiearchies like rec.arts.comics.* to
effective divide traffic into discussion and marketplace groups. That
way, buyers and seller have a dedicated forum to ply their trade. I
would think that sellers would be happy for such a situation given the
mix of posts in the current group. And similarly, those who want to
engage in discussion don't have to wade through several hundred FS posts
every day.
I think that is reason enough to be exicted. :) Your mileage may vary.
EGM
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Roxanne Galica
> RESULT
>unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
YEAH!!! Congratulations and a HUGE THANKS to EGM for all his work!
Enjoy!
Roxi
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The dragon returned to the lair after many days to find the warrior deep in thought. "Why so glum?" he asked her.
Slowly, she responded, "Dragon....I've missed you so much! When you're away, the night is darker, the days are longer, the flowers aren't as bright, and the air is empty and cold. I occupy my time as best I can, doing what needs to be done, honing my skills, making myself stronger...thinking about you...and waiting... I am quite capable of taking care of myself, yet I feel lost when you're not here. I hate feeling like this!"
"What is the alternative?" asked the dragon.
"There is none," she replied and after a long pause, she added, "Why does love also cause one to feel pain, loneliness, and sadness?"
"I'm afraid I don't know," answered the dragon. He brought his great bulk down onto the ground next to her and wrapped his long tail around her still body as he tried to warm her worried heart. She remained perfectly still and did not look at him. She was afraid to. A silent tear rolled down her face and fell toward the ground. The dragon caught it in his paw where it immediately turned into a pearl. He closed his paw around it and held it tightly. He tried to think of something to say to comfort her, but all the words he thought of seemed inadequate, so he dismissed them before they could be airborne. As such, she never heard how much he loved her and didn't know.
Bryan Cain
On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:18:28 GMT, m...@best.com (Rebecca McQuitty)
wrote:
> RESULT
>unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
>
Woohoo!
Eric, thanks again for heading this up. I'm pretty excited about it.
Look at that gigantic margin. And to think, last time it was so
close. But that's in the past. I see many happy days of toy
discussion in the future. :)
Bryan
<bc...@vt.edu>
Jason Geyer
Roxanne Galica wrote:
> In article <8969375...@isc.org>, m...@best.com (Rebecca McQuitty) wrote:
>
> > RESULT
> >unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
> rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> > unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
>
> YEAH!!! Congratulations and a HUGE THANKS to EGM for all his work!
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Roxi
>
A resounding second to this. After two years of work, Eric, it pays off. ;)
Congrats buddy, and congrats to all the group who about doubled the previous turnout!
(Of course that may just mean Terry has branched off into more personalities...)
Jason
Elf Of Doom
cgrei wrote:
> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Chris G. Rei
>
> Oh Boy, is this Great!
> - Flounder, Animal House
Hey, can anybody tell me if there's a list anywhere that shows who voted?
When I try to click on the "reference" number for Rebecca McQuitty's
original post in this thread, I get an error message saying "No such
article." I'd like to see who voted (and how they voted) so I know who
to pick on in the future.
EOD
Kevin Johnston
> Hey, can anybody tell me if there's a list anywhere that shows who voted?
> When I try to click on the "reference" number for Rebecca McQuitty's
> original post in this thread, I get an error message saying "No such
> article." ....
>
> EOD
It may hit your newsserver later today or tomorrow, so you could just try
again later-- or, you should be able to find it at www.dejanews.com pretty
easily (again... they might not post it until later today).
Kevin
byrn...@webtv.net
>Bryan wrote, "Well, that's understandable
>you've never been the sharpest knife in
>the drawer."
Bryan, all kinds of smartass comments came to my mind to respond to the
level of insult you've hurled out in your post.
Instead, I took a deep breath, and all I'm gonna say is that I for one,
would find it a huge improvement if everyone in this group could take a
deep breath and realize there are human beings on the other end of every
post, not targets.
And maybe "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at
all",
There are so few posts in here that don't slam someone somehow, even
when talking toys, that lately it's been more relaxing to read the FS,
FT, FA posts than the discussions.
Just 'cause "everyone's entitled to an opinion" and it's an open news
group, does not mean we HAVE to say everything we think, or that we have
to say it in an insulting cutting way.
Sometimes reading this group is alot like living in a dysfunctional
abusive household, where the majority of one's time is spent cringing
when you overhear how people talk to one another, and slide their sly
nasty comments in, in oneupmanship. So you hide (lurk) and try not to
get involved, or else you step in boldly and get "iced" by the rest of
the family for trying to put an end to their "fun". Or lastly, and more
dangerously, you imitate what's going on in order to be included and
liked, so you perpetuate the abuse.
I know we all play with toys folks, but that doesn't mean we can't act
like healthy mature grownups in our dealings with each other.
-Byrna
Clams Casino
RATIONALE: all groups
CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.discuss
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
END CHARTER.
Elf Of Doom wrote:
>
> cgrei wrote:
>
> > YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Chris G. Rei
> >
> > Oh Boy, is this Great!
> > - Flounder, Animal House
>
> Hey, can anybody tell me if there's a list anywhere that shows who voted?
> When I try to click on the "reference" number for Rebecca McQuitty's
> original post in this thread, I get an error message saying "No such
Clams Casino
Being from Chicago where the philosophy is "vote early vote often", it
really wouldn't have been hard to stuff the ballot box. All it takes is
a little bit of creativity, and you would not be violating the rules of
the vote.
Clams Casino
of course I would never do anything like that
David Thiel wrote:
>
> In article <lhp2ZFA4...@riddler.demon.co.uk> "John A. Baker" <jo...@riddler.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> >Interesting little clusters!
>
> >>croofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Charline Roofe NN
> >>cwhitmer * freenet.columbus.oh.us Cathy Sue Whitmer NN
> >>mandrowils * aol.com mandi whitmer NN
> >>dalroofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Dale E. Roofe NN
> >>garyoung * freenet.columbus.oh.us Gary Young NN
> >>teroofe * iwaynet.net terry roofe NN
>
> >kawoolwine * aol.com Kelly Woolwine NN
> >>winewool * aol.com WINEWOOL NN
David P Dodson
> If no serious allegations
> of voting irregularities are raised, the n.a.n moderator will create
> the groups shortly.
> ||
> croofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Charline Roofe NN
> dalroofe * freenet.columbus.oh.us Dale E. Roofe NN
> teroofe * iwaynet.net terry roofe NN
Besides Roofe voting no three times, lets get this thing rolling.
--
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Thanks, Clams! Now I can start getting the voodoo dolls ready....
EOD
Rebecca McQuitty
RESULT
unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
There were 274 valid votes and 3 invalid votes.
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
228 41 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
: : : rec.toys.action-figures)
241 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES
and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO
votes.
After these results are posted, there will be a five day discussion
period in news.groups. Objections or inaccuracies that could change
the outcome should be posted and mailed to the news.announce.newgroups
moderator at <newgroup...@isc.org>. If no serious allegations
of voting irregularities are raised, the n.a.n moderator will create
the groups shortly.
Newsgroups lines:
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CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.discuss
END CHARTER.
CHARTER: rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
END CHARTER.
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Bryan Lambert
On 04 Jun 1998 21:18:24 GMT, cs...@aol.com (Cstoj) wrote:
>Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain why
>searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on both
>groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
Well, that's understandable. You've never been the sharpest knife in the drawer.
But I'll go nice and slow.
Those who don't want to buy figures don't have to go through two groups.
Those who don't want to talk about toys don't have to go through two groups.
Those who mostly want to talk about toys, and occasionally look for specific
items for sale can read one group and do Dejanews or quick skims of the other
group.
Those who want to find good, respectable sellers to deal with can quickly
exclude any halfwit who posts off-topic For Sale posts to .discuss.
There will be FEWER FS posts in .discuss, and those posts will be clearly
off-topic, and those who post them can be morally and ethically pimp-slapped.
And, worst case scenario, someone who wants to read every post in both groups
will have to add an extra newsgroup to their subscribe list, which, as far as
I'm concerned, ain't no thang.
Get it? Got it? Good.
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Brook Thober
In a previous article, cs...@aol.com (Cstoj) says:
>Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain why
>searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on both
>groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
Well maybe some will cross-post to the disc...umm...discuss group.
But with the ill temperments that follow this group, I am sure there
will not be that many who will stand up to the wrath. I have seen many
who have fallen and yet this group continues...
I would have liked to have seen the group as one. But the majority has
spoken. So congrats are in order...
I have only one question...Who will be the 1st cross-poster to the
new groups....Any bets.
Brook
Odin Deathcrush
Elf Of Doom wrote:
> Hey, can anybody tell me if there's a list anywhere that shows who voted?
this has got to be a joke....butt.......
scroll down elfy.....
MORNINMAN
cs...@aol.com (Cstoj) spake thus:
>Why is ebveryone so thrilled about the vote, I dont get it. Please explain
>why
>searching through 2 groups is any better, there will still be FS posts on
>both
>groups so I dont see what has been accomplished
One great thing about the split, IMHO, is that scalpers can now be booted
for posting in the discussion group. Many providers take complaints about
repeated off charter postings *very* seriously, and knowing the average scalper
they won't be able to resist. Sure, we won't get them all cut off, but for
every one that we do I'll do a happy little dance.
Cordially,
MM
CP2020 page at http://users.aol.com/morninman/cybrindx.htm
MORNINMAN
iv...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brook Thober) spake thus:
>I have only one question...Who will be the 1st cross-poster to the
>new groups....Any bets.
Ronsports. He just won't be able to resist the chance to tell two groups at
once about his fabulous $28 Greedo's.
npe...@gina.science.adelaide.edu.au
cgrei wrote:
>
> Rebecca McQuitty wrote:
> >
> > RESULT
> > unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> > unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
> >
> > There were 274 valid votes and 3 invalid votes.
> >
> > Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
> > ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
> > 228 41 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames
> > : : : rec.toys.action-figures)
> > 241 29 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace
> >
Let me add a whoohooo! I just hope I will get the newsgroup here in
Australia now :) Well all I want is the discussion one :)
Nigel
Had a bad morning but is cheered up by this news!
Jay & Susan Keenan
m...@best.com (Rebecca McQuitty) wrote:
> RESULT
>unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.discuss (renames rec.toys.action-figures) passes 228:41
> unmoderated group rec.toys.action-figures.marketplace passes 241:29
snip
Yay! Yippie! Thanks to all who voted: this does a lot to restore my
faith in humanity, although I knew it would pass because of all the
great people on rta-f!
I remain your most humble and obedient servant...
Jay
rot
Brook Thober wrote:
> But with the ill temperments that follow this group, I am sure there
> will not be that many who will stand up to the wrath.
ah, pipe down ya trollop!<sorry brook... really... it was just a bad joke...
HONESTLY !>
but in all seriousness.... i think the level of "wrath" and "ill temperments" aren't
really nearly as severe as many say they are. true, i may be a little thicker
skinned than some [since i don't acknowledge "wrath" until i'm actually punched in
the face]. it IS true that some naive or misinformed newbies get "jumped" and it
would be nice to see them treated with kid gloves or at least be calmly and politely
informed of their misguided desires for profit etc instead of having their teeth
kicked down their throat off the bat... BUT... on the other hand, to many people,
this is a passionate hobby, one that not only involves the spirit of other hobbies
[fun, realaxation, creativity, comaraderie etc] but also rekindles a great amount of
very personal nostalgia, recapturing memories of innocence and purity; times when
the world was simple and harmless... and one of the very last bastions that these
thoughts can still be attained in this day and age.... to see this HOBBY sullied,
infiltrated and polluted by "adult" ideals of profit, greed, dishonesty and avarice
is not only distasteful as far as being a collecter goes, it is downright invasive
and painful to those who view the hobby as more than simply amassing plastic things.
to some, it is a direct assault upon their attempts to AVOID the world of greed and
competition that surrounds them in day to day life.... for this reason, there are
few words that i find are too harsh to convey the feelings of those who wish to
discourage the profiteers, the opportunists, the vultures... be they seasoned
conmen, or naive speculators.
> I have only one question...Who will be the 1st cross-poster to the
> new groups....Any bets.
>
ME! cuz i'm a two bit punk and a rebel without EOD's claws
rot
"oy... think i burst a brain vessel "
--
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Rebecca McQuitty
Clams Casino <Clams_...@smartass.in.Chicago> wrote:
> Being from Chicago where the philosophy is "vote early vote often", it
> really wouldn't have been hard to stuff the ballot box. All it takes is
> a little bit of creativity, and you would not be violating the rules of
> the vote.
The rules include "one vote per person, one vote per address" and "you
may not distribute this CFV", so most creativity manages to violate them.
--
Rebecca Graham McQuitty
bryn...@minn.net
In article <6l7e0c$nf7$1...@newsd-124.bryant.webtv.net>,> >you've never been the sharpest knife in
> >the drawer."
>
> Bryan, all kinds of smartass comments came to my mind to respond to the
> level of insult you've hurled out in your post.
Actually, you're right. And I was wrong. And since it's too late to cancel,
I'd just like to publicly apologize to cstoj, and to all of ratmm, for that
post. I offer the following not as excuse, but merely as explanation.
1) Looking at what I wrote, in retrospect, it came out as about 40% harsher
than my original intent when I wrote the post.
2) Looking at Dejanews, I realize I had cstoj -completely- confused with
another poster entirely, whose history was what inspired the desire to
be harsh at all in the first place.
In other words, not only didn't I know what I was doing, I didn't word it well
either. Again, cstoj, I'm very sorry. That's twice this week on Usenet that
I've posted first and thought later, and goodness knows I should know better.
Bryan Lambert
HOME: <bryn...@minn.net> WEB: <http://www1.minn.net/%7Ebryncthy>
(Posting from DejaNews 'cause it's important to get this out as quickly as
possible)
Wampa
I'm so happy they both passed, but I didn't expect both to pass on such
a wide margin.
Congratulations to all who had voted!
--Wampa
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t-v...@mindspring.com
In article <199806050116...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
morn...@aol.com (MORNINMAN) wrote:
Sure, we won't get them all cut off, but for
> every one that we do I'll do a happy little dance.
>
> Cordially,
> MM
Will you scan pictures of your dance??
T. Voice
GAREEE!
Brook Thober wrote in
>I have only one question...Who will be the 1st cross-poster to the
>new groups....Any bets.
>
>Brook
Aw, what the heck... I'll try!! ;))
Gary Tabar Jr,
@ Da Mouzzz...
EMAIL: gareee...@worldnet.att.net
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GAREEE!
rot wrote in message <35779DF9...@ican.nett>...
>
>
>Brook Thober wrote:
>> I have only one question...Who will be the 1st cross-poster to the
>> new groups....Any bets.
>>
>
>ME! cuz i'm a two bit punk and a rebel without EOD's claws
>
>rot
Ah! the Game is afoot!! ;))
I'll beetcha! I'll beetcha! I'll BEETCHA!!
(unless it's after 8 pm.... LOL!!!)
MORNINMAN
t-v...@mindspring.com spake thus:
>Will you scan pictures of your dance??
I would, but I'm afraid of what the aftereffects might be. Scalpers and
innocents alike would run screaming from thier monitors to escape the terror of
those pictures. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Cordially,
M "Lord of the Dance" M
byrn...@webtv.net
>Bryan Lambert wrote that he "publicly
>apologize to cstoj and all of...."snip.
Bryan, I appreciate your thoughtfulness in your reviewing your words,
and the situation that led up to them; and your offering up to all of us
an explanation and apology.
Perhaps we will all be able to learn a little something from this round.
I hope so.
-Byrna
daniel alan peck
Yahoo!!
I haven't been able to check for a while since I voted, but I sure am
pleased to come back!! Yeahhh!!!
Dan
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